resto

[spark river]

you cant say very good

[whole horizon]

your mastery stacks cause everbloom to heal for more, which means it cleaves more. you maximize everbloom by casting SM on CD to get the maximum amount of procs per fight, and you maximize the cleave healing by keeping HoTs on yourself permanently. that means LB and 2x Rejuvs at minimum, and you always extend them on yourself with SM.

[spark river]

Dont use regrowth only when damage is happening. You need to use it after every ramp to make the most out of abundance to save mana and spread the regrowth hot for nb.

The majority of your healing on this fight should be regrowth

[sick lintel]

That makes sense

[whole horizon]

you had 60% of his SM casts so your everbloom healed 20k hps compared to his 30k

[spark river]

the other druid is on 50 cpm and double mana potting

I d just skip comparing to subpar gameplay

overall

[thorn plover]

Are people really 4 healing beloren now?

[spark river]

i think you can with the ilvl

[whole horizon]

your mana was a huge issue on this pull tbh

[thorn plover]

Sounds boring

[sick lintel]

This is all good advice, thank you. One other thing that confuses me is why his average casts on stuff is so much better as well? Is it because he's extending better with SMs?

[spark river]

Hes just pressing more buttons

[whole horizon]

and pressing them faster

[spark river]

Having 46 cpm with a reck pot is criminal

[whole horizon]

following the tips Solareana gave you and leveraging regrowth will help a lot with your mana, but being oom by 3 mins might mean something else is happening that i cant see

[spark river]

Its not

[fervent path]

more cpm means more hots means more mastery means more avg healing per cast is my guess

[spark river]

Its just abundance

Hes not using regrowth at all

7 regrowth cpm is nothing

the other druid at 11 is not much better

[sick lintel]

Okay so key takeaways, way more SM. Always on me, never on anyone else. Way more Regrowth.

Is there a minimum abundance stack number I should try to maintain before allowing myself to swap to regrowth or just smack it no matter what if people are low?

[fervent path]

8

but you can get to 12

8 is more an "oh fuck well its good enough"

[sick lintel]

Okay so unless everyones dying it's okay to keep focusing on rejuvs to 12

[fervent path]

you prob start spamming rg on ppl even full hp

if at 12

[thorn plover]

It's not about people being low

[sick lintel]

Yeah for sure

[spark river]

Thats not the correct way to think about it

[whole horizon]

if people are dying and ur not at 12 it means you didnt ramp early enough

[spark river]

You ramp to 12 and then regrowth until 6 and cycle

[sick lintel]

I like that way of thinking about it, that makes a lot of sense to me

[thorn plover]

You ride abundance like a wave, up and down. You can maintain a majority of your stacks with sotf rejuv

[rustic copper]

25 regrowth cpm minimum

[thorn plover]

6 and 12 aren't like hard rules either

[fervent path]

[thorn plover]

You should be going way higher than 12 in some cases

[sick lintel]

Yeah of course. You can't follow hard rules in a raid fight it's too chaotic

[whole horizon]

its more that people try to devalue the raw healing from rejuv by focusing on abundance

"any past 12 is pointless bc it doesnt give abundance" is a really easy trap to fall into

if your raid is going to take giga damage, you still want a hefty ramp with a lot of rejuvs out. i tranq with 16-20 when i can manage it.

[spark river]

My tranqs have 15+ yeah

[rustic copper]

._.

[rustic copper]

Do you run ms

[sick lintel]

But that circumstance would only be if I have the luxury of ramping that long to get that high right? If I'm at 12, and the damage is already out I should probably never be pushing rejuv at that point unless my stacks have dropped off. Or am I wrong about that?

[thorn plover]

You should have it before the damage

You know when the damage is coming

[swift shuttle]

Do you do this in m+ too?

[whole horizon]

idk i dont play resto in m+

[spark river]

Not really

[fervent path]

on M+ SM is more of a cd

so no

[thorn plover]

What

[fervent path]

you want to save SM sometimes for big dam

ye

[thorn plover]

I just send SM on cd in m+

[spark river]

Switch between tank and squishy in keys

[frosty canyon]

same SM on CD

[kind star]

ive always been using sm on lb target in keys

[rustic copper]

When you cast more sm and every sm is on a lb + 2 rejuvs and you use most if not all of your soul procs on rejuv you’ll have much higher stacks in general

[whole horizon]

like i said

[fervent path]

you send SM on cd in keys if you arent expecting big damage but if a mechanic is coming you hold SM till like 5s before mechanic then SM > WG > RG

[whole horizon]

if youre not at 12 stacks and damage is happening, you didnt ramp early enough

[fervent path]

rest of the time you can SM on cd with rejuv or we ye

[whole horizon]

that's not a "wing it and hope for the best" thing

you need to fix your timing if you want to be better

[spark river]

If you have a tranq assigned you need to think about when to start ramping

[thorn plover]

I play m+ exactly how I play raid pretty much lol

[whole horizon]

if you have to ask that question it means you're settling, and you shouldn't settle. focus on timing your ramp so that you have 12 when the damage is coming out.

don't play poorly and then try to pick up the pieces after

[frosty canyon]

Thought I was doing something wrong for a second, only thing that changes for me is LB target

[sick lintel]

I know I need to be at 12 when damage hits I meant should I ever try to get to 15-17 like you guys were saying over just regrowthing at that point

[thorn plover]

I self LB on keys too, except for a few pulls where tank gets it

[frosty canyon]

I'll try that

[fervent path]

for something like Vexamus if SM comes back up and Mana bombs are coming you want to hold SM and WG so you WG as soon as mana bombs are assigned then SM LB target and RG as soon as they explode

[whole horizon]

nah 12 stacks of abundance + damage happening is a green mark on your check list

you can pat yourself on the back

and start pressing regrowth

[sick lintel]

Okay, thank you guys

This was helpful

[thorn plover]

Thanks for taking it constructively. We know sola comes across as extremely toxic but they mean well 😏

Looking forward to seeing your logs after the advice is practiced

[sick lintel]

It's fine I came here asking for help and you guys took time to look at my shitty logs I'm not going to be offended to be called bad when my question was "why am I bad?" lol

[fervent path]

my first interaction with Sola was they telling me I should try opening my eyes

[thorn plover]

That's tame

[fervent path]

ye it was helpful tho

[vital quiver]

Helpful for people observing as well, like myself. This kind of deepdive helps

[frosty canyon]

It's how I learned lol

[sick lintel]

I think I respond better to harsh coaching anyway lol

[vital quiver]

^^ for sure same here

[sick lintel]

I'd rather hear it like it is

[spark river]

Thats a core memory right there

[vital quiver]

I really need tracking tools for LB and Abundance. I tunnel way too much on the health bars and forget to keep track of the uptime/stacks.

[spark river]

dont you have a belo ren to prepare for

[whole horizon]

shall i introduce you to 2 addons created by our very own @thorn plover, HoTTracker and LifebloomAlert

[frosty canyon]

beat me to it

[vital quiver]

Just installed. Thank you 🙂

[sick lintel]

Oh snap, they made LifebloomAlert? Even Method uses that in RTWF lol

[fervent path]

yeh i went from ~50% lb uptime to >97% with lifebloomalert

ill eventually get to 100%

[whole horizon]

tbf we all had weakauras that did the same thing

but its nice to have it again after they purged addons

[fierce isle]

@thorn plover I tried to log in and blizzard deactivated my account because resto druid sucks now

[rustic copper]

Don’t need any weak auras I just look at my frame

[fervent path]

I wish we could spam M bosses

cant practice shit on HC raids

[sick lintel]

My current dilemma.

[gentle nova]

Not true

[kind star]

yeaaaah cant wait to do more lu'ra hc, and watch all the people dying to glaives 😩

[fervent mica]

sure you can... just solo heal 25m

[sick lintel]

Could always level a second Resto druid exclusively for practicing purposes lol

[fervent path]

ig i could like go to hc raids log it and just make sure all my cpms and timings are right

regardless of there not being any actual damage to heal

[frosty canyon]

exactly

[gentle nova]

You can do pretty good practice on chim hero or saladbar/alleria

[sick lintel]

H saladbar dies in like 2 minutes

[gentle nova]

Theres no damage to heal in mythic atp either lol

[frosty canyon]

Should see how many bosses Voulk will heal through when he's theory crafting shit

[fervent path]

ye but my guild actually reduces healer size to account for that

[fervent mica]

heroic salad has more to heal than myth a lot of the time... since they just insta double orb

[fervent path]

so healers still get to heal

[kind star]

4 healing all of heroic was so hard to not fall asleep

[fervent path]

but im not a healer in current roster

[frosty canyon]

4 healing, on farm?

[whole horizon]

our healers are so ahead of our dps in terms of skill that we're usually just 3 healing prog bosses bc we're pulling them 4 weeks later than everybody else

[gentle nova]

Its not only voulk

Its a shared effort

[frosty canyon]

it's not, you're right

[kind star]

yeaaaah but now were only doing lura h prog, got to 17% the first time ig

[frosty canyon]

honestly just the top name that came into mind, I know you all are in discord on the ptr trying shit. Wasn't trying to minimize the efforts of the discord

When the apex buff came out it was just days of yall chatting in here and testing shit

[fervent path]

any plans on raiding mythic after for your guild?

Chim is a pretty fun fight to heal imo

[fervent mica]

it needs to do like double the damage during everything that isn't consume... lol

[rustic copper]

Heroic Lura crystal training

[fervent path]

during prog i think ppl take care about that

[rustic copper]

Let chim eat an add so you can heal

[fervent mica]

^

[fervent path]

push an add into his mouth "whoops mb"

[frosty canyon]

oh didn't mean to press typhoon there

[vital quiver]

Typhoon that shit right into the mouth

[fervent mica]

asked to two heal it this week... but they said no

[vital quiver]

Vortex on top so it can't be death gripped

[fervent path]

yeah basically all top logs on chim are 2 heal

[kind star]

yeah supposed to do chim and first couple of voidspire bosses

they are pretty casual on retail, they mostly play TBC and some MoP.

[fervent path]

ye i think 4/9M is good and chill

[kind star]

if we still stuck at lu'ra this week tho ill prolly look for a guild :3 those are my homies from classic tho

but no way we dont kill it we got to last phase 17%

[fervent path]

Lura on HC is just P2 sim I think

[frosty canyon]

honestly you can pug to 4/9 decently easy

[fervent path]

some pugs are starting to go for dragons even

[fervent mica]

would say first couple myth bosses are easier than h lura to learn. lol

[frosty canyon]

oh for sure

[fervent path]

yeah

[kind star]

heroic lura not even hard smh

[fervent path]

HC Lura is a good HC endboss

[kind star]

at least as healer its pretty shrimple

[fervent path]

i know when my guild got to lura after killing beloren we were like

yeah no

lets get back to M

lmao

[kind star]

we arent even killing belo quick

[fervent path]

we got aotc after being like 5/9M

[fervent path]

prob got ppl sending cds on pull

tbh

[frosty canyon]

sadly we pursued aotc before stepping foot into Mythic, it worked out though

roster boss

[fervent path]

the good thing about that is then the first 3 bosses on M

are just piss easy

in comparison

[kind star]

4m10 fight D:

[fervent path]

yeah but if you got like a boomie or ele shammy

sending cds on pull then you have no dps on egg

only ppl that can cd on pull are 1 minuters and maybe a devourer if they play good enough

[kind star]

our dps isnt all that high tbh thats belo

[fervent mica]

the problem is they probably are that high

[fervent path]

^

[frosty canyon]

I know I am

[kind star]

cant play wow without being high, actually gives me an irl buff.

[fervent path]

mark of the high

[frosty canyon]

Cracking open one of those medicated drinks at the beginning of raid and after first break, fun times

[kind star]

but yeah since they casual im not complaining too much but I do want to get to mythic and have more fun

[fervent path]

is it your first season on retail as well or just them

[kind star]

I raided here and there to get aotc and some mythic raiding in df, dont think they raided retail all that much

[slender gust]

I need a sanity check. Does it make sense that a Hero track Eye of Midnight is simming better than a myth track ring?

[fervent mica]

a poorly stated one, yeah

[main timber]

Not all that unexpected

[slender gust]

It's out-simming M MT ring, so not even a poorly statted one

[fervent mica]

how low is your haste <_<

[main timber]

You can always link reports if you want a more serious look

[slender gust]

I ran a sim on H track Eye of Midnight, and M track Nexus and MT rings

https://questionablyepic.com/live/report/ohnjarjzkrhp

[fervent mica]

literally nothing...

[main timber]

Wear the higher item level one for stamina

This text solved your question fwiw

[rustic copper]

.01% large upgrade

[slender gust]

Well I don't have either M MT ring or H Eye yet. I was trying to decide what to do with my bonus rolls once I figure out what I'm getting from raid tonight

[main timber]

Based on this report I'd wear the 289

[rustic copper]

Coin Lura for neck

[frosty canyon]

well one is way easier to get than the other

[fervent mica]

rolling on heroic bosses feels so bad /-:

[rustic copper]

Not really

[slender gust]

Last time I simmed H track Lura neck, crafted was better

I'm not killing Mythic L'ura

[spark river]

If only people could read

[slender gust]

I was moreso surprised that it was even that close

[haughty ibex]

yeah 15hps

[frosty canyon]

no mainstat on those slots means you can rock heroic jewelry longer than other slots

[slender gust]

Welp looks like I am coining MT this week unless I get impatient and coin Chimaerus for belt, but trying not to let the intrusive thoughts win on that one

[frosty canyon]

it gives you more secondary stats anyways because second gem slot too

[slender gust]

Myth Chim belt should be fast enough to get from vault anyway and idk how much competition there is for it in my raid if it drops

[scarlet goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/sheppy-shisha-shisha-sheppy-husky-maid-gif-21097707

[slender gust]

That's absolutely adorable

[fierce isle]

[frosty canyon]

Only cats,bears,chickens and trees here

[fierce isle]

And rats per Broc

[frosty canyon]

https://tenor.com/ohxi.gif

[slender gust]

Bears are just forest doggos though

[tidal sigil]

Hmm not really sure what to take here

Kinda wanna go neck even if its ilvl downgrade

[glossy holly]

why?

your crafted neck is slightly better stat amount wise (obviously)

switching over to that hero neck would indeed give u a lot more mastery but u also lose a lot of haste

[gentle nova]

The neck is better than the crafted. It has 2 sockets

Do the math

[glossy holly]

what

304 vs 317

am i missing something gem wise?

[gentle nova]

The neck is not fully upgraded

[glossy holly]

dude

jewellery stat doesnt increase dramatically after upgrade

especially only 2 jumps

[spark river]

Just simming it would save us from this conversation

[gentle nova]

Hes wrong though

Confidently

The hero neck totals 319 stats fully upgraded and gemmed

And its high haste

[main timber]

It jumps enough to be more stats in this case

[rich compass]

it's low haste

also the crafted neck totals 317 with gem

[drifting timber]

is litany good for cosmos prog if upgrade to mythic track

[gentle nova]

Im wrong!

[rich compass]

I mean should just sim it

if we're being real

but it seems pretty close

[glossy holly]

https://tenor.com/view/brutal-kitty-battle-kitty-battle-kitten-attack-kittens-fight-gif-7508370341682640059

[boreal karma]

@gentle nova did you put lifebloom on crystals for lura

[dire hinge]

[sudden rover]

yikes

1500 rio and already being a meta slave

how sad

[dire hinge]

such is life

[silk ice]

Yes, monk phys damage buff for the magic damage comp

[dire hinge]

I've just realized i havent seen a monk tank today

[fervent path]

dont play with me blizz

[dire hinge]

its a sign

time to have a life

[fervent path]

I refuse

[dire hinge]

I tried

[plain steeple]

Life for less than a minute.

Impossible to survive for Gen Z.

[dire hinge]

does haste affect convoke

channel speed I mean

[fervent path]

rate my warband tmog

[boreal karma]

@bright swift did you carry a crystal on lura?

[bright swift]

in p3

[boreal karma]

was thinking if i should carry in p1

[glossy holly]

reminds me of anime adventure party, show off-mysterious-big warrior-shy priest

[karmic briar]

Is there any world in which you drop your weapon embellish for 2 arcanoweaves once you get 298 weapons?
Seems like the weapon embellish is the strongest option but I'm unsure

[main timber]

Yes that's the usual gearing path

Wear Hunt until max level wep -> swap to double arcano

[karmic briar]

Alright, thx for the quick response!

[rustic copper]

It’s good

I carried all fight

[boreal karma]

you always stay up then or?

[boreal karma]

do you also press the memory game?

and do you lb a crystal?

[rustic copper]

Yes

[rustic copper]

No but I have it bound just in case a crystal is healed up or someone accidently picks up I don’t want us to wipe

[rustic copper]

If you need to you can, I did on early prog but it bricks your mana long term, you can do a solid amount of healing to them with just 2 rejuv some rg maybe a wg and a fat sotf ns rg

[boreal karma]

do you think its smart to do both i will most likely do both for my guild i think

carry crystal and do memory game

[rustic copper]

Do surface memory game?

[boreal karma]

ye

[rustic copper]

I think you should make a tank do it

Healers don’t do it because it’s easy or better to force coggy load on your healers, they do it because only 1 healer gets sent per phase and it would be impossible to setup any consistent way for dps to do downstairs memory game

I think the tank job is very easy in comparison

[grizzled seal]

Yeah we passed RL to our tank and he always did it

I think that's the best strat for upstairs

[rustic copper]

Yeah, also if you are assigned that and someone ever yoinks your crystal it’s an insta wipe

Well 50% chance for insta wipe

[boreal karma]

aight get it

[vale topaz]

Yo, do you have a pov by any chance ?

[rustic copper]

No

[trail crown]

Got gaze in vault but it’s in the LFR raid track I did instead of the m+ where I focused, rip

[grizzled seal]

You can't get raid items in the dungeon vault

[latent wraith]

Is HC Alnseer better than myth track M+ trinkets once ascended?

[thorn plover]

Sim it

[frosty canyon]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/trinkets

[trail crown]

Oh good to know actually

I’ll have to aim for dungeon-bis then

[hearty coral]

Huh

[frosty canyon]

what are you confused about?

[exotic magnet]

anyone have that mastery-effectiveness-per-stack chart? thinking about swapping ND for HB after getting toasted in a 19 SR (at least in SR)

[sudden rover]

that's a good idea yeah

nd is a comfort node in my eyes, hb is better for higher stuff

I play nd myself but I stopped at 16/17s

[haughty ibex]

nd sucks is bait anyways

[kind star]

swapped nd for 2 tv here

[haughty ibex]

rather put 2x in tv

[haughty ibex]

u know ball…

[thorn plover]

It's on QE resto druid page

[exotic magnet]

ah, great, thanks

(been so long since i QE'd anything other than /live/)

[thorn plover]

HB is bait

[exotic magnet]

will think a bit about TV x2, too - doesn't seem like that'd help me quickly spot heal solar beams as much as hb would?

[haughty ibex]

hb is not so bad option for last boss and beams ngl

esp if u have aug

[thorn plover]

I have no reason to take HB because I don't move LB

Can't relate

Rdruids allergic to their regrowth button

[haughty ibex]

I mean is extra mastery on the kitten aug

won’t make that big diff tho

[rustic copper]

How much healing increase are you getting on your Lifebloom target do you think

Take a guess

[exotic magnet]

huh - I'm LBing the solar beam victim immediately during the cast to prep (and usually move it around a lot)

[haughty ibex]

no clue I don’t play it prob insanely little

[exotic magnet]

but i guess i don't play with an aug terribly often

[rustic copper]

Says it’s not a bad option

[haughty ibex]

cuz it isn’t

[rustic copper]

Completely clueless on how good it is and doesn’t even use it

🤯

[haughty ibex]

compared to nd

?

[thorn plover]

Are you guys not taking 2tv?

[haughty ibex]

it is objectively more useful than ND on the bosses he’s struggling with

[rustic copper]

Nd is a lot of gcd efficiency

Tv is a lot of healing

[haughty ibex]

don’t need to be mathematician to know it

[exotic magnet]

my default is 1tv

[thorn plover]

2tv is mandatory imo

[rustic copper]

lol

Do they roll rejuvs sometimes

Or are they never rejuving

[exotic magnet]

(timed 18s, starting to work on 19s)

[rustic copper]

Like you have more rejuvs on average with nd active

And abundance is a talent

[exotic magnet]

for sure, less time spent casting more rejuvs with nd up

[rustic copper]

I dont know how you can argue that’s objective at all

[haughty ibex]

how is nd any more useful on last boss can u explain

[exotic magnet]

it is certainly easier to keep the team hotted up to prepare for those beams w/ nd, but HB feels like a huge boost to my RG spam while the beam is casting

[rustic copper]

Well if you’re healing people having rejuvs up helps heal people 🤯

Both on the person your healing and on other people

[thorn plover]

2 extra mastery stacks on a target that should already have at minimum 3 hots is not nearly as good as you think it is

[exotic magnet]

yeah, that's why i wanted the chart

[rustic copper]

Someone did the math and it’s about 10% healing increase on your lb target

[thorn plover]

Not running 2tv or ND means you're pushing rejuv ALOT

or you're regrowthing people with no rejuvs

[exotic magnet]

i think i might be dumb - why does 2tv over 1tv mean I can push rejuv less?

[fierce isle]

2 tv will increase your regrowth cleave

[thorn plover]

It doesn't, but it makes your sotf rejuv hit a lot harder

[rustic copper]

Rejuv initial heal is meaningful healing, regrowth hot duration helps with nb value on off targets and bloom proc rate

[thorn plover]

Just less needed to have more rejuvs if the initial rejuv heal actually does something

[exotic magnet]

looks like, in my use case (44% mastery), HB is worth 19.7% add'l healing on a target with three hots up (inc'l lb)

[thorn plover]

10% a stack?

[exotic magnet]

yeah, reasonable - i definitely enjoy my 1pt in tv - just not sure where i'd take the other from

[thorn plover]

🤔

[haughty ibex]

yeah and u also have insane amount of time to prepare and press rejuvs? idk how he’s playing or w/e but if he’s struggling to heal a specific mechanic and he is pressing his buttons ND legit won’t help him, HB will

[rustic copper]

3 hots is very low for spothealing

[thorn plover]

I don't think you're getting 20% healing from 2 mastery stacks

[exotic magnet]

my math is: I have 44% mastery - according to the QE chart, 5 stacks is a 3.2x mult - 3 stacks is a 2.3x mult - so I'm doing +140.8% healing with HB ("5" stacks), and +101.2% healing without it (3 stacks)

240.8 / 201.2 = 1.197

[rustic copper]

That’s correct math but 3 is a bad assumption

[exotic magnet]

obv that only applies for RG cast #1

yeah

i think on that specific pull, I'm looking more at playstyle changes than talent changes - but was thinking about it anyway

[haughty ibex]

placebo effect helps anyways

[thorn plover]

Is this 2nd boss or trash before 2nd boss

[exotic magnet]

the QE chart doesn't go beyond 5 stacks, so a little hard to math the rest

trash

the solar beams the big golems cast - ~250k/tick, 5 ticks on a 19

[glossy holly]

right they do hit hard..

[haughty ibex]

oh I thought beams on boss zz

[thorn plover]

Idk I've never moved lifebloom off myself there

Go into trash fully hotted and spam regrowth

[wise galleon]

other then getting new pants and a trinket im unsure how to min max gear, qelive told me to catalyze the cloak but I was wondering regarding crafted pieces what we should choose? I have myth boots that can be also upgraded to max

[glossy holly]

holy what a form

[thorn plover]

Follow the sim

[kind star]

thats a flying travel form right ? xd

[wise galleon]

harandar ye

[thorn plover]

Crafted gear is in the upgrade finder

[stable verge]

I'm so mad nelf morph are ass compared to newer ones

[exotic magnet]

yeah, yesterday's the first day I really struggled with it - felt fine through 18

[stable verge]

I'll never leave meld obviously but dang

[wise galleon]

ye well it doesnt tell me to craft stuff if im going in the upgrade by slot or crafted

[haughty ibex]

form grp with only nelfs

[kind star]

love meld too much while pugging

[exotic magnet]

lol yeah that'd help too

[stable verge]

And hunter

[glossy holly]

im not really in favor of harandar forms tho

[exotic magnet]

i'm a dumb troll, too

which also does not help

[kind star]

amount of times I get tank that do 0 aggro while gathering oof

[haughty ibex]

and mages:DDD

[stable verge]

Suuuuuuuuure

[glossy holly]

well all things being said

[wise galleon]

was wondering if swapping out the boots and putting embellishment on something else was worth, qelive wont tell me that i guess

[glossy holly]

HB effect on LB is definitely good enough to consider for high single person dmg taken situations

but from what u said, struggle only happened recently one time

[exotic magnet]

yeah, i'm probably going to experiment w it a bit

right, yeah

[haughty ibex]

lowkey won’t feel a diff

[glossy holly]

im definitely not a fan of those damned golems

some pugs take all of them

sweaty healings damn it

[exotic magnet]

will try out a little 2tv in general - haven't done that all season in m+

[haughty ibex]

is not so horrible if at least have 1 meld

[kind star]

even worse if they're all synced

[haughty ibex]

when overalp bark 1 and spam rg on other

[exotic magnet]

yeah, we had no automatic outs of any kind

[haughty ibex]

that doesn’t help sadly

[exotic magnet]

and yes, in this case, the tank didn't wait for the double pull

[haughty ibex]

is jst cancer when is 2x beams on 1 person

[kind star]

oh it can target the same person huh 😮

[glossy holly]

yea

thats the biggest issue

[haughty ibex]

yes at least it could 2 weeks ago idk now

[exotic magnet]

i've seen tanks pull one, wait a sec, then pull the other so the beams don't overlap - that's great

[kind star]

oh wow never had it happen sounds hella rough

[thorn plover]

Your tank sucks if that's happening

[haughty ibex]

feel like those mechanics shouldn’t target same player

[exotic magnet]

well yes

[kind star]

ah mostly happens when they are synced then

[thorn plover]

No excuse for that to happen

[haughty ibex]

can’t it go on same player if 1 is alr casting?

idk about it

[kind star]

so its not passing the check on target since they are both doing it at same time

[thorn plover]

If you pull them at the same time ya

[glossy holly]

nothing prevents them from targeting same guy

[thorn plover]

But they should never be synced up

[kind star]

I thought there was some kind of check if person already has beam debuff to not get target twice in the same window

[haughty ibex]

ye but im saying if they stagger pull them

[glossy holly]

well in this case

[thorn plover]

You can't get 2 at once if you stagger them

[haughty ibex]

okok

[glossy holly]

its just a dot from active beam

[thorn plover]

You can get 2 in a row on same guy, but you can deal with that

[exotic magnet]

two in a row on the same person's beneficial a lot of the time

[thorn plover]

But if you're getting 2 casts at once your tank doesn't know what they're doing

[exotic magnet]

usually w/e defensive got pressed for the first one's still active

[haughty ibex]

idk i only play low keys now so tanks are a bit dumb

noticed that happening thought it was normal

[kind star]

yeaaaah I stick to 12 for pugs and just run with guild for anything else

[sudden rover]

just play with imorph

u can have whatever morph u want

[stable verge]

Isn't that like.. allowed but also not but also yes but also who knows ?

[kind star]

buuuuut isnt it against tos!

[sudden rover]

it's tolerated

[kind star]

as long as you dont openly stream I dont see any issue tho

[stable verge]

Yeah so it's who knows category

[kind star]

even back then some streamers had imorph 🤷‍♂️

[stable verge]

Eh well I'll have a look into it

The raptor morph looks good

[sudden rover]

go on their discord for official links, don't go downloading random stuff

[stable verge]

Well ye obviously

[gloomy oxide]

Evening

I haven't done much raid healing this season, and I am curious on who we keep lifebloom on with this new apex talent

[stable verge]

We have more healing when healing ourself

So everbloom does more overall

That and we can position the efflorescence zone better

[thorn plover]

Yourself always.
Lifebloom and 2 rejuvs on yourself, and every swiftmend on yourself

[fervent path]

[gloomy oxide]

Okay, thanks
Next question. When we stack abundance, we aim to have full stack before blasting regrowth or just around 6-7 on low damage periodes?

[sudden rover]

you want to go to 12 stacks then spam the shit out of regrowth, then once you are back down to 4-5 stacks you build back up to 12 and repeat

also be sure to play with NB and spread rg hots as much as possible for the 20% free healing

[violet finch]

running into an issue with wild growth not targeting myself with mouse over in raids? am i being stupid or has anyone else run into this

[grand herald]

wild growth only uses your target for the range calculation, not for who gets the buff

it goes on the lower HP allies in range

[violet finch]

ah ok

cool i am being stupid then! ty for the clarification

[gloomy oxide]

NB? Sorry I am lost

[stable verge]

Nature's bounty

[grand herald]

natures bounty

[stable verge]

It's a talent

[grand herald]

RG cleaves to all targets with RG on them

[gloomy oxide]

Ah. Thank you all. I do play that

[sudden rover]

once at 12 stacks you don't want to spam the same target thats what I mean

you press one regrowth on one guy then onto the next

[gloomy oxide]

I know that much

[sudden rover]

sweet

[gloomy oxide]

Not totally lost. It was more or less the apex talent that is weird to me, and the one making efflo go under lifebloom. Couldnt really see what made the most sense, and I was looking at wowhead, but that just states to keep it up

[stable verge]

You'll see massive everbloom healing soon enough and it will be obvious why it's nice 😄

[gloomy oxide]

I am looking forward to that then

One more question. Soul of the forest on regrowth or rejuv?

[rustic copper]

Mostly on rejuv

Using it on regrowth hurts your healing in the near future for a burst right now and it costs you a lot of mana

It can be good though especially with NS too

[gloomy oxide]

Mainly using it on rejuv to get the buffed and extra free one out there

[stable verge]

Ye

[rustic copper]

You use it on rejuv because casting sotf rejuv then 3 regrowths costs much less mana than casting sotf regrowth then 3 rejuvs

[exotic zephyr]

So would we generally use sotf on rejuv even if we’re already at 12 abundance?

[spark river]

yes

[exotic zephyr]

Ty

[glossy holly]

damn

[flint void]

the proc on this is 2 procs per minute + haste, with my stats as resto druid, i have 1206 haste, this does 2.5 procs per minute. that comes down to 114892.5 healing per minute or 1914.875 HPS. @main timber sorry to bother, but would 1914.875 hps be worth "getting 48 crit", as compared to the amulet of the abyssal hymm, the absolute diff in stats would be -43 haste +28 mastery, +48 crit

[glossy holly]

MW feels weird when it comes to boss fights immediate dangers huh

[flint void]

i think that's going to be better than the abyssal hymm amulet

we do lose a single socket slot ontop as well, so 16 haste and 7 mastery loss ontop of that i guess

[glossy holly]

allu, u are forgetting that all gear is random secondaries

[main timber]

I am like 90% done with these so can test some new sets in a day or two

[stable verge]

Uh I guess so but then again it's the restodruid discord so idk

[main timber]

Not anymore

[glossy holly]

at least they are supposed to be random

[flint void]

they became determined

[glossy holly]

[main timber]

They changed how this loot works like 3 times haha

[glossy holly]

lol

[flint void]

it all has crit

[stable verge]

Bruh

Bonus effect looks sexy though

[flint void]

the armour

the ring is haste/mastery

high haste low mastery

the 5 relevant pieces for Rdruid are linked right there

the one thing i need to calc out is ilvl 298 vs ilvl 289 + leech from the midnight falls helm?

[stable verge]

Helm would mean using chest 4p no ?

[flint void]

helm can be catalysed

[stable verge]

Well if you even run that to begin with

[stable verge]

As 298?

[main timber]

Yes, your set will look really weird after this is live

Because it will be a weird mix of 289 and 298 loot

[flint void]

catalysing the helm from midnight falls keeps the leech, and the sporefused myth gear should according to anecdotes from ptr keep being 298 after cata

[stable verge]

Interesting

How's the difficulty like ? Dreamrift or L'ura ?

[flint void]

somewhere dragons-paladins

[main timber]

On PTR it was even easier than that

Closer to Chim / Sald

[flint void]

oh, my friend said dragons

[stable verge]

So possibly puggable after a bit then

[main timber]

I expect you will be able to pug it

Maybe not week 1, but after people get some knowledge

[stable verge]

Yeah

[flint void]

but yeah... that ring looks juicy in terms of stats, i currently have a crafted + npx haste/mastery ring and i'm definitly want it.

the neck if my calc of 1900 hps is correct, that on it's own is like 1% hps

without noticing stats

[stable verge]

I'd be curious about neck proc rate as well, mostly for m+ but still

[flint void]

2PPM + haste

[stable verge]

Hmm not bad

[flint void]

ring is 3PPM + haste

trinket is 2PPM + haste, but because it can proc crit/vers, i dont see it outperforming alnseer, cuz it cannot be voidcored

[main timber]

I added trinket to chart and it's fine but doesn't rank top 5

[stable verge]

Looks ass yeah, but I guess helm ring neck looks very good at a minimum

And belt well.. has intellect I guess

[flint void]

belt is good for offspecs

bis for boomie/gaurdian/feral

[rustic copper]

middle of the tier pushover boss

Give me a crucible of storms

[peak charm]

Bring back Whispering Incarnate Icon trinket

and flourish

[grizzled seal]

when they were released or right now?

[exotic zephyr]

If we were at 12 abundance and have fallen down to like 9 or 10 and there’s not really any damage going on, is it okay to ramp back up to 12 before falling to 6? Or should we just hit regrowths on as many targets as possible until 6

[stable verge]

If nothing is happening and your mana is okay, and will be okay then I guess it's fine

[spark river]

no

sspread regrowths

why are you wasting mana

[stable verge]

No? Nvm then eh

[spark river]

for no reason

[thorn plover]

Push regrowth

Everyone trying to find an excuse to not push regrowth

[stable verge]

Man raid gameplay looks so ass

[exotic zephyr]

I’m just new. Only been raid healing for like 2-3 weeks xd

[wise galleon]

Last pull of algethar trash is disgusting

I think I've come to the last boss and people just troll at the last pack constantly

Like 4 times or something

[stable verge]

Hmm which one ?

[wise galleon]

The algathar echo knight

[rustic copper]

Schizo ramping for dmg that doesn’t exist

[rustic copper]

Check your regrowth and rejuv casts over a fight and it’ll be pretty easy to tell if you’re judgment on incoming dmg is accurate or not

[stable verge]

What about them then ?

'guess the smash is dangerous but how can ppl troll there ?

[solid hemlock]

swapped to resto for raid (normally m+ on it and raid on evoker). Seems... less fun here lol

[wise galleon]

Pulling the patrol or generally baiting echoes in a stupid position, its always the two guys guarding the front door, people run in and want to LoS but stand in the doorway then an echo spawns on the doorway and then I get LoS shenanigans on that

[sick lintel]

Anyone here that gave me advice earlier just wanna say tysm. I been practicing in Heroic and just parsed a 90 which is beyond anything I've done before and that's still getting used to the new rotation you gave me

[stable verge]

Ah ye I see

[wise galleon]

Also I dont get what route this tank did, 2 echo knights on side of the stairs, up the stairs so I gotta heal 3 arcane smashes, then he pulls 3 echo knights again chain pulling one into the two guarding the doorway

I even felt accomplishment of being able to heal 3 smashes

pulls 3 more back to back

[stable verge]

6 sounds.. odd

Common things would be to do the 3 mobs in the stairs, nuking one smasher then pulling the ones on the left

And then pulling the two on the door

I haven't done aa beyond +19 but it sounds weird to pull that many

[wise galleon]

Yeah its uncommon, first time I ever see it. Still people trolling on that pull regardless of the route

Idk im pretty madge

[stable verge]

Can't win 'em all

[brittle pier]

Hypothetically if we were being asked to drop a single talent point to take ironbark CDR for belo, what do we think is the least impactful one to lose? Was thinking maybe either germ or TV

[spark river]

WHAT

[gentle nova]

Grove guardians

Trade improved sm and gg for imp ib and rh

Basically same hps

[lucid token]

Is there a website or YouTuber that shows what to do down to the trash? I need my hand held like that

[brittle pier]

Thanks papi, I’ll try it out

[rustic copper]

Grove guardians but also what the fuck are you doing with bark cdr for belo

[rain hinge]

Is there a logs review channel

[rustic copper]

Is that for 2nd p1

What does that even net you

Because you can’t do 1st and 2nd soaks in p1 I think

[brittle pier]

Idk man, the people in charge are doing stuff with externals and they asked me if I could make it work

Figured I’d see lol

[proven phoenix]

this is the log review channel

[rustic copper]

I think that talent doesn’t net you any soak barks

[gentle nova]

It saves someone for when they eat the wrong color tho

[rustic copper]

I think the soaks are too close together and you skip the 3rd in 2nd p1 anyways

[wise galleon]

Vick on youtube has a good commentary about various pulls of M+

[rustic copper]

Then you should take rh, group soak the soaks and call it a day

Or just max healing

[gentle nova]

Yesh rh is goated

[lucid token]

Thx

[rustic copper]

Do you think it is worth planting in bad to cast wg

To force one on yourself

Say on alleria or saldahar

[gentle nova]

Atp go for it lmao

[rustic copper]

On prog

Like you dip into a pool start to cast wg then move out

Timing your wg before a swiftmend so you can double extend it

[gentle nova]

Defo worth

More phosy more symb more mastery

[thorn plover]

Ignore anything vickman says about haste. Please.

[exotic zephyr]

What about my rejuv and regrowth casts would indicate that my judgement is off?

[thorn plover]

Get yours today from the dreamgrove store for the low low price of $31.31

[silk ice]

31.67

[pine torrent]

Hello guys, hope this is the right channel.

I just came here because I'm going crazy. I've been a Resto Druid for ages. Every season, I've been able to perform well in raids with very good numbers (>90% parses). However, since 12.0.5, my numbers have dropped dramatically, and the more I study and try to figure out why, the more frustrated I become.

At this point, I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. I'm only around item level 288. Studying other logs, videos, and guides doesn't help.

I desperately need help.
Here’s an example of this poor performance https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PLYkf8v9gAFJqhX1?fight=15

[proven phoenix]

you need to use way way way more regrowths

like legit 4x as many

that is pretty much the root of all your problems

your mana is bad because of no regrowths, your cooldowns are bad because of no regrowths

I usually end up having equal rejuv and regrowth casts on most bosses

[pine torrent]

Is that you consider my main issue?

[proven phoenix]

yeah

[pine torrent]

Yisus.. should focus on it so

[proven phoenix]

also fix your lifebloom uptime

you need to have 100% lifebloom uptime

[pine torrent]

At least now I have a path to follow

[pine torrent]

My partner "Khunna" has a lot of everbloom numbers (blooms of life bloom(?)) whit less activity (self assumption). How is that possible?

Also reju thicks on him is in aversge a lot of better than mines. Is that related also with rewroths?

[proven phoenix]

both of your lb uptimes and everbloom healing done are pretty much equal, they could have more healing because they have higher avg mastery stacks on themselves for example

that makes up for the slight difference

[spark river]

Swiftmend cpm is massive

2.3 is so so bad

[proven phoenix]

stop comparing yourself to that other druid

they are not playing well either

compare yourself to someone you know is good that you can actually trust to play well

[spark river]

12/16 lifeblooms not renewed in pandemic

[proven phoenix]

yes swiftmend can also be part of why the other druids rejuvs heal for more

since they get more empowered rejuvs

[spark river]

Tranqs not having a large enough ramp

Not all swiftmends are extending a lb and 2x rejuv

Convokes not having a wg before them

All of these add to your poor performanc

[pine torrent]

So my key points: Rewroths as spending before reju ramp looking for equal casts at least
Renewal up LF to 100% uptime
Swiftmend spam
Less manual rejus and more empowered (switfmend related)

[pine torrent]

So switmends allways on my self to extend self rejus and LB?

[proven phoenix]

yes

[pine torrent]

Added to my list

[spark river]

Not only renewing it

Renewing it in the pandemic window

[pine torrent]

Yey, less than 4.5 seconds

[rocky lodge]

hey guys, can anyone tell me what their raid team’s strat is for vanguards? i’m really struggling on this boss with soak positioning and i feel like healing absorbs are being done wrong.

[spark river]

Post a log

Healing absorbs should be easy for you as a druid

[rocky lodge]

it’s easy but we have 4 healers doing it, so there’s like nothing to heal by 2 seconds in

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CGgXd28rF3TBR1Wh?fight=35

[pine torrent]

Ok just a thing here. LF renewal on pandemic window triggers final bloom and add hot time again. So if I use Switfmend on myself having LB in pandemic, this procs final bloom quickier due to have less time to next final bloom?

[spark river]

low swiftmend cpm, low regrowth cpm and low lb uptime

[rocky lodge]

just wanna say my hps is so low at this point because i was mega oom, no evoker buff

[spark river]

also potting with the wrong pot

[rocky lodge]

are we mana potting?

[spark river]

You are oom because you re not making the best use of abundance

We are reck potting

You want haste

Look at my log as im also on paladins with my guild

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7t3mbRNgpDwnVyr4?fight=35&type=healing&source=1

[rocky lodge]

what is the strat for healer absorbs? should it be one healer focusing it in healer stack or all healers healing it?

[spark river]

Similar wipe %

My swiftmend cpm was also bad this pull

But you can see a clear difference in regrowths

[rocky lodge]

yeah i find regrowthing kinda difficult in this fight because of having to dodge so much shit

[spark river]

Well there is plenty of time where you dont have to dodge shit

[rocky lodge]

@spark river what is your raid’s strat for heal absorbs? are you the one focusing it?

[spark river]

4 healers and 2 dps are taking absorbs

Nothing really special

Sometimes I have even time to heal the whole raid because the hots on myself are doing a lot of work

[rocky lodge]

yeah okay perfect thank you! and one last question

what are your soak positionings like?

[spark river]

The usual make a square tactic

Im the flex healer who adjusts

[rocky lodge]

yeah okay that was me but then i got taken off it

i didn’t preposition, i just stood in the middle and found the gap and ig the officers didn’t like that strat idk

[pine torrent]

Am I wrong maybe?

[spark river]

I usually stand in a group with another healer and if we both have it im the one looking for the spot that needs a ssoak

[spark river]

Yes, you are wrong

[rocky lodge]

ok thank you!!

[spark river]

We swiftmend ourselves because it extends lb and 2x rejuv with verdant infusion talent which frees up globals and applies symbiotic blooms due to implant. We get the lb bloom when we renew in pandemic, but your next bloom is not going to bloom faster.

[sick lintel]

How do you deal with the healers getting to absorb position after the second execution sentence in time?

[spark river]

I use tiger dash and the evoker uses hover

Even if someone else takes one absorb

It isnt a big deal

[sick lintel]

Yeah, our tank usually ends up with a tick on the first absorb and sometimes it kills him is all

mostly because he sucks

but yeah

[spark river]

The tanks in my guild have also been struggling a bit with the taunt swaps

[sick lintel]

Btw idk if you saw my thanks earlier Sol but I did some practicing implementing your tips on heroic and I literally went up 40% in HPS and parsed 90+'s on every single boss. Thank you

[spark river]

Thats great to hear

Log your runs and after every run see what you can improve

[sick lintel]

Yes I always log

[kind star]

since crest uncapped I should prolly just send it on a crafted neck at this point I think riiight

[haughty ibex]

ye id send craft on any hc offpiece u have

[pine torrent]

Forgot to give thanks @spark river / @proven phoenix . I have now things to study and apply after time being hardstuck. Will come again with results or dead (whicever comes first)

[kind star]

havent played my druid for a week im rusty D:

[marsh prism]

mar of the wor

[fervent citrus]

Hey, new to midnight resto druid, I main mistweaver and I was looking forward to some optimized catweaving, is it still good or is it better to just cast spells? Also Im finding it hard to get some good talents for it
(all of the above its for mythic + btw)

[spark river]

You can catweave or you can go caster. Both are viable. Catweaving is more prio damage and caster is more pad aoe. Restoration druid damage in keys is negligible, so I would play the one you like better.

[reef zenith]

Any higher level m+ healers still putting out twitch/youtube of them playing Resto Druid and worth watching? I’m wondering whether to play my Druid more between raid but it feels like a lot of the higher Druids have switched to mistweaver or not pushed a key since early May

[kind star]

lets goooo nexus ring to replace the pos one!

[pine torrent]

@spark river you have Liveliness instead shapeshift talent for having Source of Magic evoker buf? Or with a proper mana management that buff doesnt matter and liveliness should be uses always?

[spark river]

With proper mana management, you dont need master shapeshifter

Source of Magic gives very minimal mana, its more about 3% to healing

[pine torrent]

I see

I will keep sniffing your log trying to get clues of how should I play, thanks!

[spark river]

Its decent, but as with everyone my log also has mistakes

[kind star]

alright we 282 now

got so many hero pieces left still meh :/

[spark river]

You need a better ring

That one from pit is not very good

[kind star]

I just got the nexus one

and crafted a neck

[solid hemlock]

im stuck with the two npx ones. Bifurcation band some day

[fervent mica]

craft <_<

[plush tide]

are apexless builds pretty much dead?

[solid hemlock]

doing the two armour pieces first

our apex is great

[spark river]

yes

[plush tide]

great numerically, which i'll adapt to, but the gameplay hook is not my favorite

[fervent mica]

??

[plush tide]

what's so confusing about it? i don't like the playstyle as much as past iterations but i still want to complete content with the spec so in the end adapt to the playstyle because it is numerically superior

[fervent mica]

apex and no apex play the same...

[grand herald]

the playstyle is the same tho

[thorn plover]

beloren tips?

[rustic copper]

don't do any mechanics

press the regrowth spell

[thorn plover]

so just like every fight i heal

got it

thanks niko

🐐

[grand herald]

its just boring fight

🙁

[rustic copper]

[thorn plover]

last beloren kill i watched was rwf

should be good to go

[grand herald]

soak same shit avoid opposite shit

ez fight

[thorn plover]

why are all the guide videos 35 minutes fucking long for every fight this tier

like i have a 3 minute attention span guy

[rustic copper]

every tier is like that

just go in blind

[thorn plover]

i usually just watch a kill video once and wing it after that

hasnt failed me yet

[grand herald]

the only thing you want to know is where your raid wants to drop soaks

so when you get it you can run there

[thorn plover]

@bright swift where the f is your beloren kill, i rely on those to raid yk

[grand herald]

you might have an ironbark assigned too

[bright swift]

YouTube...

[thorn plover]

🔭

🔍

[bright swift]

Check my YouTube...

[thorn plover]

good point

[fervent path]

You can soak both circles at the same time actually!

[grand herald]

funnily enough im mostly not talking about the soaks

orbs, quills, pizza slices

[fervent path]

Yeah true

Though we are stacked on immune guys for orbs

[grand herald]

yeah orbs are mostly, soak it if you dont wanna move and its boutta hit you

and its same color :^)

[fervent path]

Then you forget you changed colors and die a miserable death

C=

[grand herald]

just make the WA very large

:^)

[fervent path]

Oh yeah true I gotta share the WA

[drifting timber]

🤣

[thorn plover]

bigger?

[grand herald]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[fervent mica]

if you can see the floor, its too small

[thorn plover]

fuck i broke my game doing that

[fervent mica]

this is a buff.

[thorn plover]

i had to go into the saved variables and delete the WA from the lua files or my game crashed as soon as i opened the WA screen lmao

[reef bison]

hero Ribbon or myth Void Suffuser for raid ? (not a vault question I already have both)

[thorn plover]

probably ribbon, sim it

assuming both are voidforged

[reef bison]

they are

[thorn plover]

id be surprised if QE doesnt say ribbon over suffuser

[reef bison]

sim says suffuser

[thorn plover]

what does the settings say for average HP on suffuser

[fervent mica]

they're basically the same

if you've got low haste its going to say suff

[thorn plover]

put the setting for average HP to like 92%, because thats realistically the value it gets

[fervent mica]

but its probably within a tiny margin

[thorn plover]

hero drums outsim myth suffuser for me lol

[fervent mica]

wild

[reef bison]

92 says ribbon, 85 says suffuser

[thorn plover]

i average 94

on suffuser

[reef bison]

hmmm. touch choice

[fervent mica]

having a trinket that is better the more you're underhealing is funny

[peak charm]

Lights potential vs Reckless potion on Mythic Belo ? whats yalls thoughs

[rustic copper]

always reck

[fervent mica]

reck

haste go brr.

[peak charm]

Why is it 90% top logs use potential then ?

[rustic copper]

they're all stupid

[thorn plover]

top logs at this point in the season dont mean much

[reef bison]

im already at first haste dr, still reck?

[thorn plover]

yes

[rustic copper]

only first dr

[radiant narwhal]

I think I’m 41

Reck is pog

[marsh prism]

Jesus I wish that were me

[proven phoenix]

im 43

[marsh prism]

I'm 12 and I'm doing an arts and crafts degree

[thorn plover]

this boss is stupid

[mystic crater]

huge

[thorn plover]

k im ignoring the soak circles and everything

this shit does nothing

[rustic copper]

now crank p2

[marsh prism]

sorry which boss

[thorn plover]

birb

[marsh prism]

dont greed your p2 tranq.

sorry

second p1.

[rustic copper]

yes

[marsh prism]

source:

you will die.

[thorn plover]

dying to interrupts

[rustic copper]

you will die to a lot of stuff in p1

you can live p2 wrong color

[marsh prism]

i just did the fattest greediest piggy tranq of all time

and got quill splashed

[proven phoenix]

wow....

[proven phoenix]

I tranq'd twice on the fight, both egg phases

xdd

[rustic copper]

?????

your 2nd p1 was that slow

[proven phoenix]

we 4 healed

[rustic copper]

I feel like 4 heal has to be harder

[thorn plover]

were 4 healing rn

[thorn plover]

its not fun

[torpid wraith]

Just killed mythic Cosmos 🥳

[formal fjord]

i love this.

[formal fjord]

woohoo grats!

[proven phoenix]

gz

[sly pivot]

I changed my enchants to tank spec - you reckon that matters much % wise for when i start trying to pug chim mythic?

[torpid wraith]

Thank you 🙂

[thorn plover]

the only thing different is your leg enchant, no?

and chest i guess

[azure jungle]

Can't believe what a difference these 2 talent changes made for my M+ progression. Like an idiot I was running double swiftmend thinking more swiftmend better for blooms and treants. And with master shapeshifter my mana issues have been solved.

[rain hinge]

link to build

[marsh prism]

ill show you the full sculpture when its done :3

[formal fjord]

oo yes please! im gonna be starting a fine arts degree

[cinder pike]

so do our heals just suck if there is a disc priest in the raid

[marsh prism]

no

[fervent mica]

chest is same... it should just be leg

[sly pivot]

chest is actually the same. its helm/shoulder/legs/boots/rings that are different

[fervent mica]

would expect bear to have different jewelery anyway... they aren't haste/mast stacking, right?

and the tert enchants won't really matter for a single mythic boss

[slender gust]

So I know talenting Fluid Form is a DPS loss, but given the sheer amount of things you can shapeshift off this season, is it worth it so you don't have to press an empty global just on Shapeshift?

[sly pivot]

sweet, just wanted to make sure i wasnt griefing myself

[thorn plover]

arent you putting haste on rings as a bear?

and everything else is avoidance anyways?

[sly pivot]

yeah haste on rings, speed on helm and shoulders, speed/stam on boots

[torpid wraith]

Does lura reset cds or something the top logs are using innervate before it comes of cd

[marsh prism]

huh

like when

[torpid wraith]

idk but the lorrgs says this

[marsh prism]

sorry like which one are you referring to

the ones in the middle? they are receiving an innervate

[glass crane]

viserio is your own casts I thought

[marsh prism]

i just looked up the log

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2ML8ACKbHF6BWzxX?fight=93&source=711&type=auras&ability=29166 + https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xq8NMyzYPJ64aw39?fight=59&source=10&type=auras&ability=29166

i guess just buggy for some reason

[torpid wraith]

oooh

ty

Which one seems to be better?

[marsh prism]

sorry?

[thorn plover]

beloren - where does it rank on the worst bosses ever

gotta be up there

[marsh prism]

i love it

[thorn plover]

i think id like it more if we 3 healed

but its just boring

nothing happens, we miss a kick, we wipe

[marsh prism]

theres barely anything to heal this tier in general and beloren isnt any different why are people 4 healing

just the nerfs?

[thorn plover]

because were holding dps anyways

[marsh prism]

ah ok

[thorn plover]

its super lame

[marsh prism]

boring

[main timber]

Just look at it as a different kind of challenge. Sure healing will be easy, but you can also save a lot of pulls by soaking a lot of orbs, standing in as many quills as possible etc

You end up carrying the fight more than healing-centric ones, just in a different way

[ember folio]

If number no go up did you really do anything

[thorn plover]

definitely been doing lots of orb soaking, everyone seems to be afraid of them

"i didnt 2 soak because i didnt have a defensive"

meanwhile im in bear soaking 8 of them

[opal radish]

when will blizz refix "Resolved an issue where sometimes Soul of the Forest could be immediately consumed if you spell-queued a Swiftmend after casting Regrowth."

[half star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/196005578919772160/1501273666095157328/Archon_App_Beta_wCeMoNqRTq.gif

Same enjoyment as cycloning on Nexus King V1, so fun to be a hero 😄

[plain marsh]

Holy

[cinder pike]

i lived for the nexus kind cyclone

[exotic zephyr]

I asked this before, but I still cant decide, mythic tier head with avoidance or mythic bifurcation band, have hero of those exact items in both slots atm.

[thorn plover]

head is more value

[wary belfry]

personally id take helmet, your hero one has avoidance too? thats wild

[exotic zephyr]

ty

[exotic zephyr]

ya lol

[spring fulcrum]

worst spell

[marsh prism]

its a passive

and honestly thats some crazy shit that it does

[wary belfry]

Its pretty solid, unlike angelic bulwark 😡

[tulip flax]

how are the Gem embellishment compare to Arcanoweave Lining or similar

[wary belfry]

Gem embellishment

There are 2 i can think of

Loa?

[exotic zephyr]

ya mythic band is only .07% better than crafted ring

2% avoidance gota be better than that

[marsh prism]

there is no way

@wicked forum did you do that

[spring fulcrum]

it procs call of the elder

[marsh prism]

oh did you delete that before i thought zimbita ghost pinged me

idc about that talent so

[spring fulcrum]

drruid is boringwithout it

[radiant narwhal]

Nance are you excited to kill L'ura!!

[wicked forum]

do what?

[marsh prism]

[tulip flax]

vs Heart of Wild heroic which better ?

Planning to club the trinket with Convoke or tranq

[grand herald]

toss em into qelive

[azure jungle]

What are people's thoughts on Wild Charge vs Tiger Dash for M+?

I've run Tigers Dash for a while now and don't feel like I could live without it. But I assume Wild Charge is arguably the better option most of the time.

[grand herald]

ive never had issue running dash

[flint void]

It's movement, that's subjective.

I prefer tiger dash because it's affected by the evoker thingy that gives you extra, and it's nice to drink and sprint with shadowmeld eat at the end of pulls.

[azure jungle]

No matter how many times I try the shadowmeld drink I get pulled into combat 🤣 skill issue.

[rustic copper]

Tiger dash is better for getting where you need to be faster, the benefit of wc is it is off gcd

[azure jungle]

Does WC make you physically travel to the location. Eg can you get caught out by traps, environmental damage etc.

[lunar sun]

Preference thing. I’ve been fine defaulting tiger dash.
But there are some skips where you will want wild charge and probs some other min maxxy things

You physically travel directly there but if not sure what you mean

It’s not instant so you can get hit by stuff

But it is a straight line

[azure jungle]

Yeah that's what I meant. Could get pulled through a trap or something and get stunned

[lunar sun]

Ahh yep it’s not a blink

[tulip flax]

Thanks

[fervent mica]

finally

[iron sail]

last pull 2:28 AM is criminal

gratz though!

[fervent mica]

lol midnight to 3 am works great for me

[iron sail]

aight makes sense, thought you guys were extending regular hours way beyond reason

wouldve been a case for the overtime police

[fervent mica]

lmao. nah

mostly a pst guild, so its 9-12 for the majority

[marsh prism]

idt we do

do you?

as in, are u guys gonna

[onyx trail]

im gonna

[radiant narwhal]

barely in p3, might hit p4 tonight

[proven phoenix]

barely in p3 is a solid night or two away from a kill still I think

[radiant narwhal]

we're chain pulling p3 which is good