resto

[formal fjord]

can you give us the specific argument?

[glossy holly]

i think he meant healer spec

not resto spec

[formal fjord]

if they are arguing about a meme build i give up

[pulsar rune]

Which one is considered the meme build? I'm kinda lost on that one?

[glossy holly]

the damage into healing one

[formal fjord]

happy to help but probably need the discussion to understand what you need

[pulsar rune]

No that isn't the issue

It's more of a WS vs AD issue

[formal fjord]

Wildstaker vs?

[pulsar rune]

err Keeper

[formal fjord]

whats AD?

ah

[glossy holly]

WS easily

[formal fjord]

wildstalker gives more healing

as per wowhead

[glossy holly]

though i dont know how much of a difference it really is between hero talents

[formal fjord]

the *best means its the best

dunno how else to tell you

its a big difference

[acoustic fable]

Is wowhead and icyveins the same info for builds?

[glossy holly]

i think voulk maintains both

[pulsar rune]

Gotcha! that is the build I am using and the other druid is swearing I'm wrong. We both do about the same healing roughly and I know I'm not the greatest player atm cause I just switched to druid.

[formal fjord]

yes written by the same person

[pulsar rune]

Appreciate the answer!

[acoustic fable]

On some keys the party gets hit with 3 spells that need dispelled ! Whats the best way to handle situations like that?

[mystic pasture]

Do you have a specific example? Different places have different responses

[glossy holly]

extremely situational

[spark river]

dispell one ironbark second heal third

its not a common scenario

[whole horizon]

i cant even think of an example

[glossy holly]

if LB target got debuff, that might be the third but i dont really know how effective LB is

[whole horizon]

the only triple dispel is affixes right

[glossy holly]

nexus last pack mobs

[acoustic fable]

Ya, nexus is a big one

[mystic pasture]

Some chains in Windrunner have the two magic debuffs and the spider which is poison

[whole horizon]

ok so there arent even any packs with 3+ lightspawns

[acoustic fable]

Poisions, bleeds so much crap to heal

[whole horizon]

how are you getting 3 dispels going off simultaneously?

[mystic pasture]

But yeah, dispel one and heal with the tools available is generally the theme

[glossy holly]

afaik u can pull big there too

so 3 elementals is a possibility

[whole horizon]

you can but you still shouldnt have 3 of them simultaneously

the dispels will be staggered unless your tank just despises your group and wants you to wipe

and that would require him running to the end of the bridge and immediately leaping into the next pack

[glossy holly]

well i do agree 3 dispelling targets is nearly nonexistent atm

[whole horizon]

and ignoring 3 kicks

?

[mystic pasture]

Nah the light spawns do a non-interruptible dispel

[whole horizon]

i know that

i just mean in order to actually get 3 of them synced up he'd have to face pull the 2 at the end of the bridge

[mystic pasture]

I see I see

[whole horizon]

and not kick either of them

[fallen glacier]

this might be a stupid question but when the apex talent says "final bloom" of lifebloom, it just means any time it blooms from any sources?

[glossy holly]

i had the opportunity to get 2 of them at once

it was nice missed interrupts

[whole horizon]

thats correct

their verbiage is weird

[fallen glacier]

yeah feel like they could have left out the "final" part in that sentence

[jovial sand]

Anyone here using Elvui as raidframes? I am in a bit of a pickle, cause I can't see which people get targeted by the light/void soaks on beloren. What do I need to enable to see them? I also seem to see them sometimes, but not always? Like what is wrong?

[potent juniper]

Is chicken weaving now the new flavor of the month over kitty weaving

[grand herald]

not really any weaving included

you just cast starfire in human form

[potent juniper]

Ah so I don’t need to use the boomie variant

[grand herald]

preferable you dont use it, as a matter of fact

[potent juniper]

Any pros or cons over kitty or is it just preference

[grand herald]

starfire for pad

[potent juniper]

Ok

[grand herald]

kat for ST/prio

[lament river]

We started prog on dragons in Voidspire - do people 4 ore 5 heal?

[potent juniper]

So I can keep kitty and starfire if I’m at range?

[potent juniper]

4 heal sure 5 heal seems to be excessive

[lament river]

Our raid leader says alot people 5 heal but seems alot to me

[grand herald]

i wouldnt 5 heal it

[potent juniper]

Yea idk any boss you would need to 5 heal in this tier

[grand herald]

paladins is common

[potent juniper]

What level we talking heroic?

[grand herald]

mythic

[grizzled seal]

3 tank is better than 5 heal

Get an extra blood dk in and they will reduce dmg by so much you will be bored with 4 healers

[potent juniper]

Oh we actually tried 3 tank in a pug that was struggling it wasn’t bad

Ok well thanks for clearing up the kitty weaving starfire build questions appreciate yall

[grizzled seal]

2 blood dks makes the fight so much easier it's not even funny

Like genuinely each blood dk is probably -100k dtps

And also a third tank can soak the beam making the grip easier

[potent juniper]

We just started our mythic prog 2 weeks ago we’re still on chimmy but he should go down on Monday then it’s salad and we’ll probably get stuck on dragons

I’m on my resto shaman for that tho my heroic toon is the resto Druid

[grizzled seal]

Saladhaar is quite a bit easier than chimaerus

[potent juniper]

We’ve got everything down getting to the adds phase and missing kicks

[grizzled seal]

Yeah that's what everyone wipes to lol

[potent juniper]

I drop tremor totem but they miss the next

[grizzled seal]

Having 2 DKs helps a lot there

[potent juniper]

Yea if we solve that we’re good

We have two actually two dks

I’m saving my tokens for that kill lol want mythic gaze

[grizzled seal]

You can only use your weekly 2 on it

[potent juniper]

Yea I’ve got my two and we raid thru and mon so should be able to roll if we down it before reset

[naive chasm]

does anyone happen to know if betterblizzframes is compatible with party/raid frame addons like grid2? if I want to use BBF just for unit frames?

[potent juniper]

Should be fine I’m using unhaulted with danders without issues. But sadly I may have to change because the dev might be taking a break for an extended time

[naive chasm]

unhalted dev taking a break?

I was looking at that addon also but since it had fewer downloads I was worried it might get discontinued at some point

[hardy canopy]

just swap to ellesmereui

prob the best ui rn

[lament river]

Are you people catweaving ore owl weaving in m+ context atm ?:

[grand herald]

do you want pad damage or prio/st

[lament river]

Pad = owl ?

[grand herald]

well, starfire

you dont actually use moonkin form

[lament river]

I know

[abstract tulip]

since i got a mythic 2 hander, i lost an embelishment the hunt. but it wont let me put that on my crafted chest, what am i supposed to do?

[lament river]

But just find its okay tbh and with MS but I miss catweave

But Im Only doing 17-18 Keys atm

[grand herald]

use a different embellishment

[spark river]

arcanoweave

[abstract tulip]

i have arcanoweave on my belt. can i also put it on the chest or only 1?

i also have a mythic belt but i think its inferior stats

[thorn plover]

You can have 2 embellishments total

Both can be arcano

[abstract tulip]

awesome! thank u

[reef zenith]

just to get second opinion - raid leader had me in the gloom soaks on Dragons. It doesn't feel ideal to me, but am I overreacting a bit to think that?

[wary belfry]

Gloom are the orbs?

[tired gale]

is there any way to make crystals on lura into DF frames?

[wary belfry]

As far as im concerned the entire raid should do it

So yes overreacting

Rdruid can do it with no issues

[reef zenith]

gloom are the orbs yes, we used the liquid tactics so tanks and 6. We had some dps and our 2 mistweavers who weren't assigned to soak any

[thorn whale]

Why is it less ideal for you?

[reef zenith]

felt like if I'm out in narnia for the soaks the efflo isn't doing much, guess I probably just need to adjust to it then

[half star]

Generally as a raid leader I put people I trust on jobs like that so I would take it as a compliment

[reef zenith]

*efflo and everbloom

[spark river]

yes you are overreacting

[half star]

You should always want to do the mechanics of the fight because you contribute a lot to the success of your team

[spark river]

i did them perfectly fine

[grand herald]

everbloom range is pretty big

[spark river]

you can use the gloom soak to prepare your next ramp

[reef zenith]

ok thanks, feedback taken. Do oyu have some logs solar so I can look at how you played so I can adjust similarly?

[sudden rover]

yeyy we killed the dragons

now paladins time

[thorn whale]

Where we soak gloom or just logs in general

[spark river]

You just ramp with rejuvs while you are soaking gloom so you can plant and regrowth spam when you get back

its pretty simple

[reef zenith]

where soaking gloom, it caught me on the hop a bit. I can see what the top 50 parses do etc so had my cooldown timings to that etc, I didn't find out until we zoned in I was assigned to soak otherwise I'd have prepped more, but now I know for reclears I guess

[thorn whale]

Just don’t think that much about it

As broc said, you’re more likely to wipe to someone fking up their soak, than the minor healing decrease you get from having efflo in a bad spot

Responsibility is nice

[spark river]

Dont care about your parse when progging

Do the mechanics and do your best to keep the raid alive

Thats the gist of it

[thorn whale]

Also L’ura on 18% in p3

[reef zenith]

we got the kill so I'm not downplaying that, I just want to perform as well while doing it. I've had good parses on other fights even while taking responsibilities i.e. madness on dreamrift etc but just kinda disappointed to have gone from mostly orange to green

[thorn whale]

So maybe I’m off monk duty soon

🤞🏻

[spark river]

Im blue on dragons because no one was taking damage

[thorn whale]

Are you 4 healing?

[spark river]

Dont think too much a bout it

[west topaz]

not the best if he keeps fken updating it in a way that breaks profiles, it's happened like 3 times already

[spark river]

Putting you on monk is kinda stupid when resto is this strong on lura lol

[wary belfry]

Well paladins is probably why right

For revival

Oh they meant parse

you baited me

Gg

[spark river]

accidental bait

we take those

[thorn whale]

Monk is strong too

And we didn’t want windwalker so

[hardy canopy]

mhmm
never happened to me

[thorn plover]

Ellesmere the same AI slop as everything else rn

[bright swift]

rdruid is very mobile if you haven't noticed

[dense lantern]

[reef zenith]

Fair, I can hit RJ while running. RG I either need to stutter step better or let go, likewise my WG can time better or let go and focus gloom. I feel less mobile than MW who we didn’t have soak but I guess we also had shadow priest soak so I’ll just go with it. As I said, feedback received and taken onboard

[steel cedar]

Def not ai slop and if it is its atleast optimized and doesnt interfere with other addons

[spark river]

not the ellesmere apologists

it is definitely heavily ai coded

[steel cedar]

Well i love it. My less than 1% cpu usage in raid is nice 🙂

[dense lantern]

ai coded =/= ai slop duh

[steel cedar]

At that rate i wish more addons used it xd

[reef zenith]

I don’t see the problem with ai coded so long as it’s heavily reviewed. I’m the ops side experience wise of DevOps irl (so wouldn’t call myself a programmer but adjacent). We utilise AI a lot to reduce amount of toil work. Really good for the first 80-90% of something before capable people review and refine

[thorn plover]

Have you read any of the code in it

[dense lantern]

Have you?

[thorn plover]

It's defined as slop

Yes

I'm all for AI assisted

I encourage it

[primal jungle]

I agree but you still need to focus on the main stat. Plus from what I read and experienced too much Crit will decrease your DPS. Which could mean that's taking stats away from a priority stat

[dense lantern]

Please send me links. im interested and will gladly read them

[reef zenith]

I’ve peer reviewed enough human produced slop as well fwiw. I wouldn’t let a junior’s code go out with only another junior reviewing and I treat AI like an enthusiastic junior.

[primal jungle]

p much agree

[thorn plover]

100%

[primal jungle]

its like 80/20 rule

let the AI do 80% of the work then just fix stuff how you prefer rather than how the AI prefers

[reef zenith]

Exactly, or where it’s missed important context/deep knowledge that makes what it produced suboptimal or just plain defective

[primal jungle]

a lot of stuff was programmers just copy-pasting stuff other ppl already made anyway

i see no difference lol

my first lang was visual basic to learn how to make AIM punters

and keygens that just copied the algo then instead of jne, you just make it jmp

[dense lantern]

I just find it 1) annoying when the general sentiment is to call anything made with "AI" slop, as if it is something that alone defines the quality of a product 2) surprised - because in 2026 the hard part is producing code that is worse then average with AI, not the other way around

[primal jungle]

i accidentally learned intel x86 asm while trying to figure out how they put chiptunes in keygens

[wary belfry]

Im surprised youre still alive root

Didn't you hang out with the dinosaurs in your time?

[thorn plover]

Like I said, fully advocate for using AI in coding. Dont advocate for relying on it 100%. I know he has some coding background, but some of the stuff in his UI is just slop. He may very well have improved and optimized it since then.

I get wanting to get it pushed out quick tho

I won't pretend my addons aren't

[fervent path]

doing RG>SM better than SM>RG right?

like queueing

[grand herald]

depends when you need the healing

at the end of both sequences you used the same amount of time

[thorn plover]

SM>RG> queued RJ

Buffs the rejuv cast

[tulip nexus]

skyreach is super fun to heal

change my mind

[thorn plover]

I think sky is my favorite

There's none I hate this season tbh

Also none I love lol

[sudden rover]

rip

[thorn plover]

Same

[sudden rover]

stuck on paladins too?

[thorn plover]

Nah I wasn't in for saladking this week

Rotate bench in

[sudden rover]

damn bro rip

[radiant narwhal]

what does everyone do for crystal healing on L'ura

im currently doing lifebloom > RG > RG > WG > SW > NS > RG spam

[thorn plover]

Wait maybe I do have 6 this week

I think salad was only one I sat for

Last week I had 5

[sudden rover]

I'm nowhere near lura mm sorry

[radiant narwhal]

bro vrocas is holding

400k hps across the fight

what on gods green earth

[spark river]

paladins are so fun man

im doing 200k+ on these pulls

[thorn plover]

Yeah it's a fun fight

[dense lantern]

windrunner, maisara

they're not necessarily bad dungeons, I just hate the pools

cant see shit, random ass tornados, random ass line of sight

[solid hemlock]

man i ran 5 maisara today. meh

[dense lantern]

but it's w/e dungeons are just boring this season everyone knows that

(so is raid, lura is the only fun fight and there's no reason to run it)

[forest hull]

I made Bloomwatch - a super lightweight addon for Lifebloom tracking:

• sound alert when you hit remaining duration (adjustable 0.5-5s remaining, default 3.5)
• sound alert if in combat with NO lifebloom active on party/raid
• bank of sounds to choose from
  https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/bloomwatch

[spark river]

default 3.5?

its already useless

[forest hull]

I like 3.5 🙂 you can set it to whatever you like in 0.5s increments

[spark river]

Well we have an addon that does all that and plenty more

[grand herald]

id at least set the default to the default pandemic window

[dense lantern]

Ok but why are you being needlessly rude?

[forest hull]

I had another one previously too but it ended up quite large with many other features and support for other classes, I wanted something small and lightweight.

If it's not for you, feel free to ignore. I just thought I'd share incase there are others here like me.

[spark river]

@thorn plover im being toxic again apparently

[weary trail]

Doesn’t even see it.

Yikes

[grand herald]

classic rdruid discord

[spark river]

Its just how I am idk

(default is 3.5s to align with Pandemic)

this is the problem

its misleading

[fervent path]

could it maybe be set to % of remaining time? with 30% remaining as default for pandemic

i think its pretty cool, i had to make some manual sound alerts for it cause even like 2 visual alerts werent doing it for me

[forest hull]

I like the alert set slightly less than pandemic so I don't renew it too early and miss the bloom.

I made this for me! and just thought I'd share.

Its already adjustable - just make it 4.5 if you want it aligned 🙂

[forest hull]

Good point - the text is confusing, I'll update that. Thanks

[dense lantern]

Also, I haven't tried this but

It seems objectively better than LifebloomAlert

[gentle charm]

holy shit guys spell queueing swiftmend is so ridiculously overpowered I don't know how it is allowed

[sudden rover]

wtf is spell queuing swiftmend

[fervent path]

wait so doing SM > RG > RJ(queue) buffs RJ instead of RG?

[gentle charm]

like just casting a quick regrowth and getting the RG + LB blooms + keeping the RG hot on the person all for one gdc is insane

[spark river]

Better in what way?

It does the base function of lifebloomalert

[gentle charm]

when you can SM after casting RG and keep the hot

[dense lantern]

It's not like the end result is the only thing that matters duh

[sudden rover]

what do u mean keep the hot

bro im cooked

[dense lantern]

[spark river]

Thats stupid reasoning

[dense lantern]

This addon is 3 times smaller than LBAlert

And

[forest hull]

in my defence i did not know LifebloomAlert existed and I have not tested.

I had recently created another addon (Ev Character Panel) and so I was able to quickly make this rather than sear ching for something else

[dense lantern]

Doesn't register onUpdate

[thorn plover]

Buffs both

[gentle charm]

it doesn't consume the regrowth and procs the libebloom bloom, because the game thinks that your regrowth is coming after the SM

[fervent path]

whaaat

thats crazy

thats some arcane mage shit

[dense lantern]

Which is: way better assuming it works correctly

[sudden rover]

what would consume regrowth? that's some prosperity shit?

[gentle charm]

VI is troll in keys

[sudden rover]

don't get me started on this

[gentle charm]

okay fine

[sudden rover]

fuck prosperity all day everyday

[gentle charm]

maybe on paladins/DKs you want VI because they take infinite damage

[dense lantern]

Also, @thorn plover InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory has been deprecated since 10.0.0

Why are we calling it

[thorn plover]

Guy is reviewing my AI slop code

[dense lantern]

Idk someone told me that it was the best LB Alert addon ever so I felt the need to do some due diligence

[thorn plover]

It's the most basic shit ever

Stuff in game CDM should be doing

[fervent path]

Dander's can also do LB alerts

[thorn plover]

^

Danders lb alert works really well

Not specifically LB, but all of them

[dense lantern]

Sure, nothing against your addon to be clear ||even though you probably have a reasonable duty of cleaning up any slop before publishing it to curse||

[compact sonnet]

What are you guys using for your UI atm?

[sudden rover]

absolutely nothing, default ui

[compact sonnet]

Same

[dense lantern]

but maybe let's not be negative towards better alternatives

[forest hull]

muscleui but customised and simplified

[thorn plover]

To be completely honest, I thought blizz would have fixed their shit by now. I had no intention of maintaining it this long

[compact sonnet]

I thought about throwing $5 at the patreon to get it

[thorn plover]

Paying for a UI is absolutely cursed

Please don't do that

[dense lantern]

A custom set up for ElvUI

[compact sonnet]

Kind of my viewpoint but skillcapped does a really good job for pvpers

[fervent path]

Ellesmere's

[thorn plover]

It buffs the 3 regrowths, + 1 rejuv. Not 3 rejuvs and 3 regrowths. Just to be clear.
But if you're going to SM>regrowth you should spell queue a rejuv after

[glossy holly]

holy i got flashback to star trek deep space 9 tv

ellesmeres

[fervent path]

aight makes more sense, tho its weird that it works like that, it seems like in that case the server knows that RG hit before RJ

[forest hull]

it is decent .. the all-in-one is nice with alerts and everything. I did customise it becuase by default it was a bit busy. Worth trying if youve got the spare $5, but otherwise, meh. I had a good setup before with Danders, Cooldown manager centered, better blizzframes, etc.

[fervent path]

spaghetti i guess

[thorn plover]

Typical spell queue shit

[fervent path]

love to see it

[compact sonnet]

I’ll check it out, I play enough healers that the UI setup is a headache

[solid hornet]

i don't understand what yall mean by spell queue

[thorn plover]

Someone was talking about unhalted earlier. Didn't they say they were still maintaining unhalted, just not the cdm (idk what it's called)

[sudden rover]

its some voodoo shit

[glossy holly]

spell queue is something that lines up ur next spell u pushed during the cast

[thorn plover]

If you push an instant cast before a cast (with a cast time) is finished, it casts the instant immediate when the cast is finished

And can have some weird interactions

[grand herald]

Technically its any spell

[solid hornet]

oh thanks for this

[grand herald]

Not just instant cast

[solid hornet]

i needed it spelled out

[grand herald]

But instant casts tend to do funky things with timing

[thorn plover]

^

[solid hornet]

so swiftmend regrowth, push RJ at end of RG cast?

[fervent path]

if you press a button during Spellqueue window but before a cast ends, the game tells the server to begin the cast instantly after current cast ends

[thorn plover]

Spam RJ while RG is casting

Basically

[grand herald]

Push RJ in the 400ms before RG finishes casting

[thorn plover]

You just have to push it on the spell queue window

[grand herald]

Assuming you havent fucked with your spellqueue window

[thorn plover]

Which for most is 400ms

[glossy holly]

this must be the reason for apex nerf

[thorn plover]

Lmao

This isn't new

[glossy holly]

it may not be new

but this interaction is quite busted to be fair

[grand herald]

Its not that crazy

[fervent path]

actually SQW has some oddities ive realized, if Im in moonkin form and start queueing a RJ during a Starfire cast it will go to human form during Starfire cast, and instant cast RJ after Sf cast ends

lmao

[grand herald]

Its one extra buffed RJ

[thorn plover]

It's been reported multiple times since beta

[hardy canopy]

like what

oh the double dip from sotf

[thorn plover]

Ya

We've been talking about this since beta

Maybe earlier

[grand herald]

Another example is arcane mage can queue touch of the magi at the end of a spell and have the damage of that spell get included in the touch

Despite touch technically being cast after

But it also has its downside!

[thorn plover]

Resto shaman last season, if you had the talent that consumed Riptide to empower chain heal, could cast chain heal into riptide to instant consume it for the buff, but half the time it wouldn't actually remove the hot

[grand herald]

Like having to introduce casting gaps during raid to avoid wasting sotf

[thorn plover]

There's busted spell queue shit for probably every class

[fervent path]

or before when we could queue Arcane Blast + Barrage for the last stack of damage increase

and then it got nerfed sadge

[grand herald]

Exactly

[wide goblet]

Is it normal for people to use their defensives at 40% HP as an "I'm almost dead" button rather than when they get a mechanic as a "let me mitigate this whole damage spike" button in 17 keys?

[sudden rover]

yes

[hardy canopy]

yes

[proven phoenix]

+17s probably arent attracting very good players

so I would say yeah

[hardy canopy]

esp. if it's an aug evoker

[wide goblet]

Because Jesus christ

[wide goblet]

Lol that's so true

[hardy canopy]

ngl anything below 20 is elo hell rn sorry if it sounds elitist

[proven phoenix]

the problem with pugging is that you always need to stay ahead of the curve

falling behind means you are playing with significantly worse players

[hardy canopy]

then you get to the 20 and it feels like a 17 cus ppl press their shit

stuff like amz and darkness carries a whole mechanic

zephyr etc

[glossy holly]

u dont really get trained to use defensives properly in lower keys

[dense lantern]

ok can i be honest

i think you don't get trained to use them properly at high keys either

[glossy holly]

im sure there are ppl who doesnt learn in high keys

[dense lantern]

you as a healer just have a better insight into the damage patterns and therefore other people's mistakes are more obvious

[glossy holly]

but those keys should be way more punishing so if u didnt learn after dying to the mechanic without defence cd

they didnt belong to high keys anyway

[wide goblet]

Well someone won't use a defensive, so you burn something to save them, just kicking the wipe can down the road to when you needed that CD

[gentle charm]

guys for litany, does it add to the absorb for every damage cast or does it overwrite?

[thorn plover]

Idk if this was aimed at me but I've never pushed someone to use LBA over something else. I couldn't care less

[dense lantern]

No, not at you

[wide goblet]

Or like magisters second boss, one person with glaive has a defensive, the other person won't, so I'll focus the person without a defensive, other guy pops his after he's 50% dead already, dies and flames me

Like bruh

How is that not an insta- obsidian scales cast

[glossy holly]

does litany absorb really last until next use?

[thorn plover]

Is litany even worth using over literally any other decent option

[wide goblet]

I think its supposed to be really good if you're running the keeper/CotED build

[gentle charm]

qelive ranks it #1 so ask @main timber

sorry #2

[glossy holly]

it doesnt scale with ur own dmg level or i may be reading the description wrong

just harmful spell

[fervent path]

doesnt it scale off of the damage you deal to the target?

thats why its crazy good on damage amp fights

[main timber]

It is good at what it does, but annoying to use

[glossy holly]

idk

[proven phoenix]

it doesnt scale with damage

its just a flat absorb and flat damage

[main timber]

It scales with damage amps, but not with your personal damage

[fervent path]

ohh

[gentle charm]

@main timber while ur here, do you know if more procs add to the absorb or does it just overwrite, like for m+

[main timber]

So in Nexus Point you get extra value

[proven phoenix]

every litany goes to aug 👍

[main timber]

it adds

[proven phoenix]

its better for aug than it is for almost every healer

[gentle charm]

o nice

[proven phoenix]

isnt that nice

[glossy holly]

extra healer would be nice

lol

[gentle charm]

i really need to just use a stupid passive trinket litany really is a pita

[proven phoenix]

ribbon supremacy

[gentle charm]

I think I'm going gale/whistle

[main timber]

But yes it's fine to opt out of litany even in M+ if you cba but that doesn't make it bad trinket

Definitely interesting though how it's way more popular on some specs than others in M+ - even when DPS "cost" is the same

[proven phoenix]

whats a gale

I miss gale of shadows

my beloved

[hearty coral]

Maybe they meant heart of wind

[gentle charm]

naw gaze

[hearty coral]

It has gale in the description

[gentle charm]

I really fucking hate gaze

its so boring

and so good

[proven phoenix]

I'm pretty indiffierent

my favorite trinkets of all time are spymasters and nexus kings command

if every trinket was like that I'd be happy

[dense lantern]

i miss everbloom trinket

crutch

my beloved

[gentle charm]

its just "Here's int as your passive, and more int as the active part"

[proven phoenix]

I really like trinkets that offer agency or flexibility

nexus king was just so good for that because it was healer only as well

[dense lantern]

so basically the exact opposite of what we got this season?

[proven phoenix]

yeah pretty much

altho I dont really super hate the boring stat sticks

[main timber]

There's a sick single target heal trinket this season too

It's just a massive HoT instead of an absorb

[proven phoenix]

the only thing I dislike about current season is that every spec in the game wants the same 4 trinkets

[dense lantern]

ok quick ive been asked to heal this random pug is there any reason I wouldnt @player swiftmend and lb?

[main timber]

This was a very poor season for trinkets imo

[proven phoenix]

agreed

[main timber]

It is really bad for trinkets to still be changing in functionality in weeks 3-4

And most trinkets being unacceptably undertuned was obvious to everyone except blizzard

[glossy holly]

i didnt play from the start of expansion but i guess there hasnt been nerf/buffs for trinkets?

[main timber]

There has been a ton

There is no situation in modern WoW where you should need to buff a trinket 150-200%+

That just means you never did any work on tuning before release

[wary belfry]

yea and whatever the heck was going on with gaze

[main timber]

Gaze / Litany both changed both in number and functionality multiple times

Just an insane season

Crucible overtuned even now

[glossy holly]

ah

[proven phoenix]

just take me back to nerubar palace, give my spymasters and gale

I'll be happy

[wary belfry]

need the timewalking trinket

the one that reduced mana cost of rejuv/regrowth i think

[gentle charm]

what was the trinket on the spidr boss before raz

that was pretty sick

[main timber]

We got that shot 5x already so it isn't good anymore

[wary belfry]

What the heck voulk

When does holy priest get to have mana again btw

[spark river]

Bring back rashok

[main timber]

Genuinely think there is nothing more Niphyr could do to push for this. Some dev just decided spec gets no mana

[wary belfry]

Paying for the sins of infinipotheosis

[proven phoenix]

this company SUCKS

[proven phoenix]

chillglobe

the only problem with chillglobe was that it only gave mana below 60% mana otherwise it was just damage

on a fight like raszageth I wasnt 60% mana until like 6 minutes into the fight

[dry valve]

anyone have tips on healing crystals on mythic luura?

rn im just focusing the furthest one out

i sometimes keep lb on myself and sometimes put it on crystal

but we're kinda just healing whatever we see

[proven phoenix]

regrowth all 3, spam 1

[dry valve]

o

[proven phoenix]

you can move lb if you really need crystal healing but otherwise its kind of a waste, you get almost 0 everbloom healing from it

you can take regenerative heartwood as well

[dry valve]

rejuv not worth?

[proven phoenix]

depends on how much mastery you have but I dont think so usually, our crystals were full healed before rejuv was even halfway through

if they're stacked you can try and wild growth all 3 but they're not usually stacked that way so I just stopped doing it entirely

[dry valve]

gotcha

or if theyre stacked i can SOTF rejuv too ig

ill focus rg then

[dense lantern]

btw whats the status of cursor cd addons? I have Cooldown Cursor Manager and it seems to work 50% of the pulls

[proven phoenix]

yeah but again rejuv just doesnt get a lot of value

what other specs are in your raid

[dry valve]

mastery is at 35%

[proven phoenix]

I feel like its very rare to have crystal healing problems

[dense lantern]

Is there anything better or it is what it is

[dry valve]

mw, hpal. supposed to be disc but they out, so its x2 rdruid

[proven phoenix]

why doesnt hpal just one shot all of them to full

[dry valve]

i doint think we're having problems per say, im trying to be better

[proven phoenix]

and you wont even touch them

well there's only so much better you can be

[dry valve]

with beacon of virtue?

[proven phoenix]

no just holy lights lol

[dry valve]

lol

op

[proven phoenix]

paladin unironically just solos both sets

their only constraint is mana

[dry valve]

we just started tonight, thats first set

[proven phoenix]

thats both sets...

zoom into the first one, that would be the first set

but either way he can do way more I think

you should innervate the paladin on his first set as well

depending on how many external innervates he has

[dry valve]

gotcha

[wary belfry]

Nah this one https://www.wowhead.com/item=194307/broodkeepers-promise

[proven phoenix]

yeah

my vault

I killed raszageth with chillglobe broodkeeperrs promise

[dry valve]

ty, making this change

[proven phoenix]

these were my casts on the first set of crystals, we didnt have a paladin

on the second set I almost dont heal them at all because we use spirit link

[dry valve]

lol spirit link thats funny

makes sense

[wary belfry]

Spirit link is effective

[proven phoenix]

wow...

[dry valve]

nerf

[wary belfry]

He carried frfr

Drops your entire raid 20% hp but thats ok u got them

Less than that prob but I wasn't going for accuracy anyway

[dry valve]

errr question

convoke dumb idea for crystals right

cuz its random targeting

[radiant narwhal]

phased tell me what im doing wrong

[dry valve]

i try to do the kaelthas trick where i run to the edge to make sure most heals are on them

but thats prob trying too much

[proven phoenix]

its fine for crystal healing but you dont want to convoke there

its too late

convoke before or on each termination prism

[proven phoenix]

idk what you're doing wrong bud

show me a log or smth

[proven phoenix]

wayyyy too much

dont need any of thjat

[radiant narwhal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k8ZtJyfQL7RAjC2c?fight=47&type=healing

i picked the best one of the bunch

[dry valve]

right

ty sir

[proven phoenix]

I'll look in a sec

[radiant narwhal]

anyone can flame me

feel like my crystal healing is hot garbagio

[true smelt]

Do we still NS before convoke to empower any regrowths cast by Convoke or has that changed since I last played Rdruid in DF

[dense lantern]

No we dont

[true smelt]

Alright thanks

[steel cedar]

how does tree of life actually empower stuff?

[thorn plover]

regrowth is instant, wg hits 2 more people, rejuv costs less and heals more

[sly pivot]

how much haste are you aiming for % wise without buffs?

[dense lantern]

no set %

[thorn plover]

all of it

[glossy root]

is this a normal amount of spread healing to do? like 20% to me seems pretty high

[thorn plover]

what is this

[glossy root]

mythic alleria, start of p3. the total healing spread I believe if I know how to use warcraftlogs

[proven phoenix]

is that healing done to targets

like you're at the very top and then everyone else?

if so thats very normal

[thorn plover]

thats like, 0 healing tho

idk what were looking at

[grand herald]

you could just post the log

instead of a very cropped SS

[glossy root]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gGxcQZXVFvjfK2Hh

[grand herald]

and you are?

[glossy root]

Kayar, sorry

[grand herald]

yeah, i mean the current build does infinite self healing

did you want other advice?

[glossy root]

ah, was just making sure I'm not being selfish. seems pretty sad for raid then. I think disc is only like 10% self heal and the rest to raid

[grand herald]

eh its more healing to everyone doing it that way

not a bad thing

[glossy root]

oh I didn't know. there's talents that benefit the raid with more healing to us other than symbiosis to one player?

[thorn plover]

everbloom?

[grand herald]

the amount of healing our lifebloom does is what is spread

by using our increased self healing, we increase the amount that lifebloom heals us

this increased lifebloom heal is then spread with everbloom

[glossy root]

ah k. I was just getting joke flamed at how selfish the healing always is

[proven phoenix]

this is literally fine?

[grand herald]

so, you always want a target to have LB and all hots and swiftmend cast on them on cd regardless

[proven phoenix]

why does everyone worry about seed healing so much

you literally just spam regrowth them

[grand herald]

you gonna be overhealing anyways, at least on yourself it increases healing to others

[glossy root]

I always have lb on me and swiftmend on me and try to stack on as much people as possible

but then isnt disc just de facto a way better raid healer than rdruid?

[thorn plover]

not really

[proven phoenix]

every healer does a very significant part of their healing to themselves

[thorn plover]

theyre good at their own thing

[proven phoenix]

its just how healing is

[thorn plover]

just like every healer

[proven phoenix]

everyone has a healing amp on themselves or leach or some other cleave talent

this is my disc priests healing done on himself vs everyone else

every healer in the game is like this

[thorn plover]

dragon being 2nd is so real

[glossy root]

here's our disc who is 1:1 for total healing with me.

[radiant narwhal]

ty

[glossy root]

waaaaaaaaay better

[radiant narwhal]

@proven phoenix wait is there a heal increase in p4?

is that why healing is so high?

[proven phoenix]

yeah

a massive heal and damage amp

[radiant narwhal]

no wonder haha

I was comparing to fking Vrocas' 400k hps

wondering why im 100k hps short of him raw

[proven phoenix]

oh is that what you meant when you said vrocas is doing 400k hps

you fucking idiot

[radiant narwhal]

hahahahaha

[deep dome]

is there a sunfire resto build people use to heal with

what is the lastest, i swear i heard starfall heals now or something via tree mech

im not sure, ty

[thorn plover]

not sunfire

not starfall

dream of cenarius + call of the elder druid + starfire spam. but its really not very good. its fine in your weekly vault keys, but dont terrorize a group trying to play it in higher keys

its significantly less healing than a normal healing build

[deep dome]

thank you

[lyric surge]

I really want some cereal now =|

[gloomy solstice]

Looking for the right spec for cosmos and came across this on wowhead. so which is it?

[proven phoenix]

the one on the import codes page

wildstalker

[gloomy solstice]

we are 5/6H and i need to recheck what im doing

[proven phoenix]

I don tthink those boss specific builds have been updated for a while

[gloomy solstice]

ok so def wildstalker. thats what im doing. just wanted to recheck. not sure if you were going to update the raid specific builds. im told wildstalker is the one we roll with now. @main timber

[marsh prism]

awful requirement

[radiant narwhal]

hi nance!

[marsh prism]

hihi

[radiant narwhal]

how was last night

[marsh prism]

got into intermission i think 2 or 3 times

[radiant narwhal]

thats big

[proven phoenix]

prog

[marsh prism]

our crystal healing is like perfected at this point so that feels great

i gotta go to the workshop for a bit tho so no lazy video game day for me =.=

[mystic crater]

Thanks nance

[marsh prism]

no problem ;.;

[gloomy solstice]

?? what do you mean nance?

[radiant narwhal]

Ours is still not great :/

What’s ur healing comp

[marsh prism]

a requirement of Wowhead to have that section as part of the guide even though it's not realistic to expect it to get updated at the same frequency as everything else

[marsh prism]

disc pres me mw

[gloomy solstice]

thanks for the info. #highfive

[main timber]

Yeah just go with the main builds page. I will update the raid tips page too but that page gets very little traffic

[radiant narwhal]

yeah nice

[dapper fractal]

Hello, can anyone explain why all restos take heart of the wild? Is it for the extra stam in bear form? Is normal bear form not good enough?

[radiant narwhal]

big dam

[proven phoenix]

damage in keys, mana in raid

[dapper fractal]

Or do ppl use it with one of the others forms?

[vivid peak]

You use it in cat to do prio damage in keys and in raid you use it in cat to get mana with master shapeshifter

[fervent mica]

hotw + cat is a lot of prio dam

[proven phoenix]

in raid you pretty much only use with cat form for mana

in m+ I think its still cat hotw but for damage instead

[dapper fractal]

Rly? Didnt think they length of the CD was worth the cat dps and a 6 second dot

[viral berry]

In raid do we keep LB on ourselves 100% of the time?

My UI can track when the buff is on myself but it won't show when the buff is on others. If LB is always on myself nbd but if I need to move it around then I am going to find some add-ons that are better

[dapper fractal]

I usually keep it on a melee for effor coverage and move it as needed but put it back on the that melee by default

[proven phoenix]

you should keep it on yourself

you can get efflo coverage by just moving where you want it to go

[fervent mica]

yes

[dapper fractal]

Well damn. In previous seasons it wasn't with keeping on yourself

Didnt know that changed too

[proven phoenix]

everbloom is a % of lifebloom final bloom healing and you have a ton of healing amps on your own character

so its just more overall healing to keep lb on yourself

[fervent mica]

outside of when we just didn't cast it and specific fights... its been better on self for the last 2 xpacs

[dapper fractal]

Nah lb was better on others with old photosynthesis and 3 mastery stacks

[fervent mica]

not in raid

which was the discussion

[dapper fractal]

I was remembering in keys

[radiant narwhal]

do you get more mana in cat form? Im just wrath spamming for mana in raid

[fervent mica]

less time to get it

[proven phoenix]

feral frenzy instantly gives 5 combo points

so you can always hotw > rip for a burst of mana

every 2 minutes

[radiant narwhal]

okay cool ty

[fervent mica]

especially since we aren't out in kansas on most of these fights anyway

its just easy

[heady igloo]

hello guys ! im going to open up with i am not a healer main but my guild kind of needs me to fill a spot since our healer decided to leave we are on cosmos mythic atm are there any tips i could get to dish out more healing or is there anything i could improve based on this screenshot our best try which was around 17% any tips appreciated ^^

[grand herald]

post the full log so we can have a look

[heady igloo]

sure

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YLybvHjNJ4MAqZC3?fight=29&type=healing&source=6

[grand herald]

you are not casting enough spells really

[heady igloo]

ah

[grand herald]

your rejuv cpm is fine, but you should be casting lik 14 more RGs per minute

lifebloom uptime is... ok, should focus on having it as close to 100% uptime as possible

keep lb on self with 2 RJs, SM yourself on cd

SM needs to be used on CD

[heady igloo]

so thing is im not sure if im right or not is it still worth to pump out regrowths even if there arent enough rejuvs on targets

because i find my self struggling to have rejuvs up while regrowthing

should i just always sm into rejuvs or is ther any situation where i would sm in to regrowth

and how many abundance stacks should i aim for before pumping out regrowths is what im struggling with is there like a sweet spot

or should it always be at max stacks which i think is 12

[gentle nova]

No

Sm on self to extend 2 rejuvs, sotf rejuv most of the time, regrowth

[grand herald]

youll bounce between high stacks and low stacks in a cycle

[gentle nova]

You only ramp more for convoke/tranq and during innervate

Not really ramp for convoke tbh just for tranq window

SM on self with rejuv will keep you at 8 stacks easy most of the fight spending minimal mana

[heady igloo]

so i shouldnt aim to have like max stacks of abundance ever because i find it to be really mana draining

[gentle nova]

And all the other gcds are regrowths

[heady igloo]

ok cool

[gentle nova]

No because youll oom

You only ramp a lot of rejuvs during innrvate and for a tranq

[heady igloo]

nice i appreciate the help 😄

[gentle nova]

You should prepull ramp to keep the abundance momentum goi ng

[heady igloo]

should i be spamming wild growths as well?

[gentle nova]

And then sm self (with 2 rejuvs always) and sotf rejuv on cd

Dont spam wg itll oom you

Press wg for damage, and press wg for as much mana as you can spare

Wg is your mana spend decision making

[heady igloo]

ahaaa

[gentle nova]

If the fight is close to end and you got enough mana you start spamming wg

[rustic copper]

I rarely hit 12 outside of tranq

[gentle nova]

Yeah 12 outside of ttanq is dumb and will oom u

You only rejuv for tranq, as a movement gcd, or for sotf tbh

Or during vate

[heady igloo]

cool so tldr is swift mend on myself on cd while keeping lb and 2 rejuvs on me wg pre incoming damage and pump out rejuvs before tranq anything else i need to improve on im not asking for minmaxing but enough to not be a useless fill :p

[gentle nova]

Sotf on rejuv, rest of gcds are regrowths

[heady igloo]

great

[gentle nova]

Spread the rg hots out dont spam one person

Always be casting even if you need to move

Use all the gcds available

If you need to move you press rejuv or sm

But try not to move much

[heady igloo]

alright thank you very much for the tips ill test it out next time and see how it goes

[gentle nova]

Also press regrowth even if people are healthy it leaves a hot and allows for nature bounty cleave for later when you need healing

Thats what a lot of people struggle with tbh, they press rejuv instead of rg cause they see ppl full health or taking light damage

Thats wrong, press regrowth

[heady igloo]

are u talking about the the hero talent

this?

[gentle nova]

Natures bounty

Its a talent

[heady igloo]

holyyyy

thats insane

okok nice nice im figuring it out now

[gentle nova]

Youre good now should be ez to play good

If you are a dps main you should take the dps mentailty to healing

Never lose a gcd

Or you will do shit hps

[heady igloo]

i thought id wing it but this info is actually huge

[gentle nova]

Same with dps you arent going around losing 10+ gcds a min that would be dumb and bad

RDruid can sustain 55+ cpm

Overall so you should be aiming for that

[heady igloo]

yeah im ngl half of the time id just be standing there doing nothing since i see everyone healthy

[gentle nova]

Yeah thats bad, you gotta think ahead

Rejuv gcd is less mana on rg for the future

Rg gcd is allowing 1 more target to get healed by bounty in the future

Even if ppl are topped

So you should be spamming spells the whole fight

Knowing that rejuv makes regrowth cheap so you wont oom if you press rg and keep decent amount of rejuvs out via sm and sotf

[heady igloo]

you are amazing this info will surely help a ton and ill make sure to apply it as best i can

[gentle nova]

[robust badge]

I just wish I could track how many rejuvs I have out instead of abundance

[gentle nova]

You can lol

[robust badge]

Besides with your eyes and counting on frames?

[gentle nova]

Rejuv tracker by purrformance

[robust badge]

Link

Now

[gentle nova]

@thorn plover

On his bio

Nvm

He removed it

[subtle cobalt]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/rejuvtracker

[robust badge]

Holy based

That has been driving me up the wall all tier

[gentle nova]

Tf

Thats been out since heroic week

[rustic copper]

It doesn’t even matter anymore

No breakpoints

This doesn’t affect your decision making

[gentle nova]

Its cool to see high number

They should bring back wwr

[rustic copper]

No

[gentle nova]

Imagine the hps

They should make abundance work for rejuv

With the rg hot

So all you do is press rejuv and rg

[rustic copper]

And then make wwr for both rejuv and regrowth

[gentle nova]

Yeah

Honestly based

[rustic copper]

100 cpm spec

Smart

[gentle nova]

Anti old people spec

[plain steeple]

They should bring back Nourish.
Each time I cast Nourish it places a lifebloom on that target.

[gentle nova]

Nourish and lifebloom

Most shit spells ever

[plain steeple]

I‘m just memeing. I like this Regrowth placestyle. Nourish doesn’t have a place here.

[gentle nova]

I think its too slow

Needs wwr

Also the rg hot is way too short

[plain steeple]

The TWW talents made it Ultra fast though.
Nevertheless, I would like to see an ability that actually spreads lifebloom somehow.

[plain steeple]

This is true.

[stable verge]

Well you got the pvp talent

As far as pve.. that'd be a balance problem

[plain steeple]

That’s only a problem if you don’t balance it properly.

And what shall I do with a pvp talent? Shall I raid world bosses in warmode now?

[urban kestrel]

I don't hate nourish as an idea, but it's just so redundant since they added our current mastery.

It creates a problem where the spell is useless or it's just lay on hands with no CD.

And the only time it was ever almost useful they accidentally made amirdrassil mw and gave us a tier set around opposing talents so it didn't matter.

[marsh prism]

nvm i had fun xx

[formal fjord]

excellent

[stable verge]

I mean sure but also why would be want to spread lb around anyway, besides obvious giga powered hots ?

Like why would we want to produce even more infinite healing ? It's nice but there comes a point where creating a balancing hell that doesn't add that much fun is sorta pointless

At least if spread lb was a thing but wasn't stronger than what we currently have, I would not see the point it in. In that context I'd agreed more with the nourrish aspect, with all the caveats it would have

[stable verge]

Like this one ^

[lament river]

what are you people using for combat warnings atm? DBM ore BW ?

[stable verge]

mixture of blizz and exwing boss

[lament river]

Exwin boss is the one that announce things via voice?

[stable verge]

Among other thing yes

[lament river]

Is it hard to setup?

[stable verge]

Not really tbh, I barely touched anything beyong deactivated utility modules that were not combat related and I think that was about all I did

I mostly took it in order to be able to track some mobs major attack cooldown in mm+ but gotta say the text reminder to ramp and such is growing on me

[lament river]

So its just download the exwing boss addon and combine it with the timeline blizzard us?

[stable verge]

you'll need the english patch, and I don't know if exwing tools is also a dependancy. It also provides its own timeline though so you don't even need blizz's one for it. I just kept it because it's kinda the same

[lament river]

Can you remember what the english patch is called?

[stable verge]

If you type exwing, or even ex in curseforge you'll find it easily

[lament river]

you can use exboss without using extool right?

[spark river]

English version is dependent on extools i think

You can use the chinese version without it probably

[plain steeple]

I‘d just like to have a bit more mechanics and interactions in our spec.
The basic of rejuv + Regrowth is not engaging enough to me and the rest around lifebloom is almost passive.
More interdependent abilities where gameplay leads to more spread somehow would make the spec less boring.

[haughty ibex]

for exboss, do u use someone’s profile or u fixed ur own?

also can i disable the reminders for bosses and keep the trash ones? Thats kinda what i was interested in but last time i had it long ago was all in chinese:D

[storm portal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8DbfpKmLx4k3WHRr hi, yesterday i have ask a question for what im doing bad in keys. this have 2 wipe im interested to show. seat and windrunner 16. what im doing bad?

[stable verge]

I download the addon and just removed some stuff.. could hardly call that a profile to be honest

[stable verge]

I would assume you can yes

[haughty ibex]

tysm appreciate it:D

[stable verge]

I could remove the bosstimeline so why not the rest

[haughty ibex]

haven’t tried recently so was jw, is smth I could just test myself ngl 😭

[stable verge]

I encourage you to do so yeah, some of it is really powerful, particularly cooldown tracking of major trash attacks

'cause fuck dem Skyreach bladerush

[plain steeple]

You start into the first pull of seat, where the tank gets massive damage, with moonkin form and triple sunfire?

I mean.. what’s the intention even or your expectation on what might happen?

Then a boomy convoke which is completely wasted?

After that 2 times catform without casting cat abilities.

[stable verge]

For the WS well, after the druid expended all of his cooldown, you could have thrown in an ironbark

[marsh prism]

real

[stable verge]

@storm portal Monk died to no kick sure, but at the same time he did not see a regrowth in the last 5s so I'm wondering if if would have died regardless.
On the one hand I could tell you that yes, with proper kicks and tank the pull would not have failed but I think you could time your cd better (convoke just before first arcano, tranquility second, 3rd is your guts healing) and thrown an ironbark at the time sooner

[random hemlock]

How we finding higher keys 16' 18's ish this season after nerf? I have to be honest even at fill rejuv, germ, lb wgrowth on inital pulls of spire and some keys with alot of dots and bleeds the dps are goin down and i feel theres not much i can do.. how are we finding it generally?

[fervent mica]

they aren't bad at that level

[bright swift]

People were doing 20s before the buff

[fervent mica]

is your ilvl low?

[random hemlock]

283

[fervent mica]

then its probably playstyle issues /-:

there are some harder pulls but nothing feels close to unmanagable in that range

[stable verge]

On the flip side, tank used incarn second one of the dungeon and did not have it for the whole ass pull which is kinda funny

[stable verge]

Try to set up your pull to do the same thing, reducing rng and maximazing hps windows for that pull

[random hemlock]

Hmm interesting. I dont see alot of defensives going out say in the first spire where theres 3 of the dispels out. Dps go from 100% to 20 in 1 GCd 🙂

[stable verge]

You can prehot even before the key timer, keep doing it before the absolute like second where you just switf, cat, stealth and wait for pull to assemble

Then probably leave stealth with rejuv or regrowth, potion, and probably convoke since the first arcano is coming

After that is turbo spam everything, tranquility the 2nd arcano ect

That pull is trivial (relatively) once you have a good plan

[fervent mica]

if you're having issues, logs are the best way we can try to see how to help

otherwise its just guessing

[random hemlock]

Cheers. Ill upload some after this key

[fervent mica]

good luck

[stable verge]

Gl with it

[random hemlock]

Haha cheers. Not been having a good time this week with em for sure!

[trail crown]

Is it me or is this discord channel pretty helpful? I’m playing Boomkin now but thinking of going resto, I like that M+ playstyle a lot more, and seeing all these conversations surely push me to play resto

[marsh prism]

post another picture of the dog in your profile picture or we wont tell you how to get better

i'll make sure of it.

[trail crown]

Is that a threat

[marsh prism]

yeah i wanna see the dog.

PAY UP

or else whenever you ask questions ill make sure everyone answers with the wrong stuff

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-gingerbread-man-mean-youre-a-monster-gif-3683679

[trail crown]

How do you like this picture of him when he took us hiking in Germany

[upper hamlet]

What the hell is going on here

[distant birch]

cute

[spark river]

Im pretty toxic ngl

[trail crown]

Gotta balance all the helpfulness a bit right, yin yang you know

[solid hemlock]

the face of evil

[trail crown]

He’s a rascal I’ll tell you, makes my life hard more often than not. But he’s good on pictures.

[primal oak]

tbf thats probably correct to remove the subjugators chains

maybe he is standing on range so he just shifts instead of using an ability

[hardy fern]

Is this guy cheating? How does he have 3k haste?

[fervent mica]

looking during reck pot?

[hardy fern]

No

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mfQ63YynvK4PRF7C?fight=18&type=summary&source=17

He has 400k raw healing

[fervent mica]

less absorb healing than i did on killing that boss... lol. really doubt theres any cheating

[hardy fern]

How does he have 3k haste base

Just curious

[fervent mica]

its not base

[hardy fern]

Why does it show that then

Im confusion

[fervent mica]

started the fight with reck pot up

[hardy fern]

Ohhhhh ok

[deft oar]

why is it showing 0 vers when he has vers on gloves tho

thats no reck pot xd

[storm portal]

we are according with the tank for that, he tell me can andle it 😄

[smoky sail]

his first rek pot only lasts till 25s into the fight

[deft oar]

oh it is reck pot

that reduces vers

[storm portal]

ty for the review, ill try to put a complete run to figure what i making bad

[smoky sail]

probs cuz Reck pot saps his vers

[shut barn]

Reck pot reduces lowest stat

[smoky sail]

wasnt it all others?

[fervent mica]

just lowest

but only has the gloves with vers

so it is the lowest

[smoky sail]

ah mb

[lament river]

When Will crest cap be removed ?

[fervent mica]

hasn't been announced

[kind star]

alright mgt and npx 14 done, slooooowly moving on up, wasnt all that bad altho was a guild group.

[smoky sail]

.7 at latest

but ngl i wouldnt be suprised if its sooner due to the infinite mythic gear we have

[fervent mica]

it seems like they're trying crests being the bottle neck for the normies instead of myth track items...

so, who knows

[tough portal]

There's no reason to remove any crest cap, myth crests have a hard limit on how many you can use anyways

By .7 patch the cap will be more than you can spend outside of crafts

[lament river]

It is this week We Can increase weapon and trinket item level ?

[spark river]

weapon or trinket

[distant birch]

on reset day ye

[smoky sail]

one of them

[distant birch]

altho not sure exactly how it'll work

[kind star]

if only I had one of those on myth track 😭

surely at vault

[distant birch]

there's very easy way of getting mythic weapon

[deft ferry]

Thinking of switching off resto, what do you guys think is the easiest healer?

[distant birch]

for raid or m+?

[deft ferry]

m+

[spark river]

Why are you switching off and resto shaman

[kind star]

using a myth crafted wep atm

[distant birch]

for m+ its monk

[spark river]

monk is braindead in keys now

[kind star]

I might check out MW to spin to win since I think its TW this week 😂

[distant birch]

you can upgrade crafted weapons too afaik

[deft ferry]

Idk was trying to do a +19 with team last night and just couldnt keep up as resto

[spark river]

thats not a resto problem

[kind star]

ooooh nice then, ill have to check info on the niffleheim hammer thingy and how it works

[deft ferry]

yeah im not saying its the class but its my first time healing and im kinda of struggling at 19+

[spark river]

You need to go over it with your team to see why you couldnt keep up

[distant birch]

play monk if u want an easier time tho for sure

make sure to bind spin to a nice button thats easy to click

[kind star]

I want a healer to make it easier for pug so monk should help and ill have resto druid for guild runs

is 3400 like all 16s ?

[distant birch]

ye sounds about right

[kind star]

oh not too bad, keys becoming smoother with actual gear now

and alot of gitting guud

[lament river]

So its not Both trinket and weapon ?

[kind star]

I dont think we have alot of info if we can do more than 1 item I would assume only one at first maybe?

[smoky sail]

Someone in my guild said that after 2 weeks you get another upgrade item

but idk how confirmed that is

[lament river]

It makes sense then

[haughty ibex]

isn’t monk low target healing kinda hard tho

[open flax]

what you thinking myth gaze upgrade first or myth weapon?

[smoky sail]

dont quote me on this but who knows

[smoky sail]

almost 100% weapon

[distant birch]

yeah but its easier to learn than having to prep for every dmg event on trash packs

theres nothing thats overall easier than monk for sure

when it comes to healing keys

[open flax]

im affraid we will be able to do beloran mythic soon and get the mh from there 😛

[kind star]

good to hear then, ive always been curious to try playing monk in retail since sland but always got overwhelmed by the class.

[smoky sail]

isnt the mythic beloren MH kinda w/e if you have Nexus point MH ?

[kind star]

After playing abunch of mop MW ive been meaning to try it.

[haughty ibex]

that’s good news 💯 resto is my first healer so learning smth new is insanely hard

[open flax]

using a staff atm

final grade

[spark river]

i get brain damage from watching zaelia heal 22s on his monk

300k hps just from spinning should not be possible

[haughty ibex]

do they play apex in raid

like how isn’t apexless build not nerfed alr so people start playing apex

i thought blizzard wants that

[thorn plover]

Gm

[thorn plover]

Too many DMs asking for dumb features

[tough portal]

The monk dev has missed the memo on the last 7 overarching design philosophies that apparently only affected 2 or 3 specs at a time

[plain steeple]

I‘d always shapeshift before the chains. Then you can just start a cast once the chains are applied. Shifting out of a form generally frees you from roots as well.
Also i‘d then switch to bear beforehand, not to catform. And not shift twice.

[plain steeple]

He is losing 3 gcds like that.

[plain steeple]

Moonkin form and sunfire are not how you deal damage though, even if you have free GCDs for it.
You only basically use sunfire while you have to move and you never shift into moonkin form.
Especially not for a dot where haste scales even better. Also don’t sunfire 3 times.

[storm portal]

so in a pack for dps it what u advice me to do?

[kind star]

starfire in caster form

[spark river]

put a rock on ur starfire key and take a nap

[kind star]

I removed sunfire from my bars early on and just called it a day

[tough portal]

They really played more rsham than rdru in MDI this weekend didnt they

This never woulda happened back when the druid dev understood catweaving is the natural order of things

[thorn plover]

Rycn played doc for a lot of it too, so we might see a surge of that come back

[tough portal]

Yeah but the weaker teams earlier on didnt play DOC even in 15s

They knew their limit better

Rycn and Mandatory ofc could do it

[smoky sail]

was it mainly DOC cuz of DMG ?

[thorn plover]

Yeah

[fervent mica]

i just leveled an rsham... its doing more damage than my druid and its only 250 /-:

[thorn plover]

Same

[tough portal]

[thorn plover]

Healing rain is 18k DPS

[tough portal]

The 200% thrash buff really shoulda affected us

On god

[thorn plover]

That woulda been amazing