resto

[thorn plover]

Keep in mind rolling a different loot spec than resto can be better

To avoid some shit pieces

[icy delta]

ah okay

ofc

[thorn plover]

It's a good system but a pain to keep track of and organize.
I've seen some pretty elaborate spreadsheets @grizzled seal 👀

[icy delta]

guardian rolling is actually way better on windrunner

it cant give me the mounts right?

[wise galleon]

my lobster is too buttery and my steak is to juicy, i need so many myth crests to upgrade all this myth gear

[stable verge]

Don't believe so but I already had it so.. not sure

[radiant narwhal]

what buffs dont I need to track

in raid

wild growth?

[icy delta]

yeah i have all dung mounts from this season so just wondering if possibility of dupe :/

[grizzled seal]

Both rejuvs, lifebloom, regrowth, wild growth

[grizzled seal]

Hell yeah

[radiant narwhal]

not germ?

you literally

just said

both rejuvs

fml

[grizzled seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297358986175578113/1499854842041078003/image.png?ex=69fc3eec&is=69faed6c&hm=f0a022a1857055a50fd63182bc5502e81dd3ed849674b12e56960c1b3325a9fc&

[haughty ibex]

never heard of anyone getting mount from bonus rolls so doubt

[grizzled seal]

Made my own tracking tool for coins

Look at my luck in NXP though

Weapon, chest and cloak left

[tough portal]

Well, yes there are a number of talent swaps to buff your Starfire damage with varying levels of healing compromise. Liveliness to Master Shapeshifter is very minor healing lost, other swaps become more impactful, but if you're doing content levels where your healing performance isn't being checked it's your choice to make, ofc.

[tired gale]

any new ilegal builds?

[exotic hinge]

With the nerf does we still play wildstalker in raid ? Don't know if i stay like this or change for grove again

[rare yacht]

Guys Im kinda confused right now 😄 i saw so many talents which people use… 😄 can someone please show me which talents a should use for like 16+ M+ ?? And also propably which talents for Raid ?

[fervent mica]

wowhead

[rare yacht]

Kk i wasnt sure if they are good or not

[thorn plover]

Talents didn't change

[exotic hinge]

Ok i'm gonna stay wildstalker for raid then thanks

[radiant narwhal]

hey I got in trouble for giving you illegal builds in pres discord

[tired gale]

you are here too

[radiant narwhal]

im everywhere

[thorn plover]

Jdotb says our illegal build is dead, thankfully 😂

[radiant narwhal]

wait whats this illegal build

[faint verge]

Still using apex for raid?

[thorn plover]

The doc build

[thorn plover]

Yes

[faint verge]

Good good

[kind star]

wonder how many times this has been asked since reset 😂

[radiant narwhal]

link

[fast wraith]

Can someone take a gander at these logs and give me a rough idea of what's going wrong for the resto? I have ideas but not 100% positive.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:Q3Tfm61cZVHX9WDt

[wet steppe]

wildstalker or grove?

[fast wraith]

To me it seems like they're not consuming sotf nearly enough

[grizzled seal]

Completely wrong spec, low cpm

[oak garnet]

They are pressing way too much rejuv and not getting nearly enough value from apex / regrowth plus a lot more. Refer them to common mistakes page

[grizzled seal]

Read a guide and press more buttons

[fast wraith]

omg... i didnt even look at the spec 🥲

[icy delta]

Kinda facinating watching logs of top runs.. I do same damage and hps but ofc my keys are 6-7 levels lower

The algareth academy trash pull from before bird to the platform where you kill the giant dude still works?

[icy delta]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cObrt7B0VFY i mean this one

[haughty ibex]

how can u do same hps when the keylvl doesn’t require that? im confused

[haughty ibex]

i think it was fixed but myb im trolling

[icy delta]

Teammates takes way more damage than pros

when puggin

[haughty ibex]

i mean even if u take all avoidable dmg in a 14 i think is hard to match hps of a 21

maybe on some pulls ye ig

[icy delta]

85k overall on algareth academy?

what keys are you healing?

[haughty ibex]

19s

[icy delta]

some logs i have even more... its just how much people take damage

some keys i get like 40k

some 120

[grave quail]

17 aa I did only 75

[tough portal]

It's not just that, it's defensives and comps too

Lots of unavoidable damage is plenty healable at a 15-16 without any personals and lo and behold, there wont be any fucking personals

[grave quail]

Then in a 14 I only did 71

[tough portal]

Or good Zephyr usage

[grave quail]

On a 15 I did 53

[tough portal]

Or Zephyr at all, DKs and DHs that self heal vs playing with a bad mage

[haughty ibex]

i mean he takes as an example aa, i doubt they do the last pull they los or anything so

[icy delta]

Depends on the group

[haughty ibex]

depends on the dungeon too

compare hps of bosses in aa doubt it will be anything close

[icy delta]

15s are super low tho cant expect anyone to press any defensives

[haughty ibex]

aa trash is barely any dmg on dps if played correctly

[icy delta]

pugging its never played correctly

[tough portal]

Are you kidding me

[haughty ibex]

that’s a bit weird to say

[tough portal]

Bosses are practically all predictable defensive-usable damage

That's where it's most likely to be equal unless it's a rot boss

[icy delta]

+1

[raven inlet]

+2

[icy delta]

its literally chill and relax and do the chores until you go get nuked by adds

[tough portal]

Ofc this isnt every key, every group

It varies, there are certainly people playing very well in these key levels too

But pretending this doesnt exist is crazy

Jb was also acting like this was a made up thing the other day

[haughty ibex]

show crawth?

[tough portal]

?

[haughty ibex]

vexa is just defs usage

[tough portal]

Yes thats what I said

That was the point I was making

[haughty ibex]

ye

[marsh prism]

[tough portal]

If you move the goal post of what I said for me, then it doesnt match what I said anymore

It's not my point lol

[haughty ibex]

and im saying, I doubt u can do same hps on a 15 on crawth vs a 21

[tough portal]

Kk

[icy delta]

i can

my team comp is bad + bad players theirs is good

even more if giga bad team

[haughty ibex]

but even if they never press defs there isn’t enough dmg to heal i feel like

[glossy holly]

obviously u cant compare the effort or damage taken, not to mention the difference of overheals

[icy delta]

overheals they have way more

in those keys i ebt

bet

[glossy holly]

u mean the big pulls they do, couldnt possibly be effective heals that makes overhealing less prominent?

[tough portal]

I dont understand the point you're making

[haughty ibex]

overheal shouldn’t even be looked at anyways

[icy delta]

well it is a metric that can be looked at and it tells something

[haughty ibex]

what does it tell u

[icy delta]

like how much health you produced 😄

[spark river]

8.4 wrath cpm, you re basically a balance druid at this point

[haughty ibex]

what

like if u overheal is good?

[icy delta]

how much healing was cast that had no effect because the target was already at full health. High overheal → you’re healing too early or predicting damage that didn’t happen

[haughty ibex]

idk maybe im lowiq but i feel like u need to be ready for dmg to come:D ill have rejuv on dps 99% of the times, simply cuz they might get targeted by spells that i cannot predict so

if i overheal w my rejuv unlucky, else ill jst be not prepared and have 0 hots on them

[rocky lodge]

can i pay someone to have a look at a vid of m dragons

i just cant figure out what im doing wrong

apart from wrathing at the wrong times probably

[glossy holly]

well im not saying overhealing shouldnt happen at all

thats just part of being a hots healer class

[rocky lodge]

wowanalyser isnt offering me much help atm

[glossy holly]

but there should be differences between gap of lower keys vs something someone is pushing key in

[spark river]

Just post the log, no need to pay for anything here

[rocky lodge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gAhapzbdKW83FZfJ?fight=29&type=healing&graphperf=1&source=22

this is a wipe so but still

[night pumice]

Do we catweave or owlweave for this patch?

[earnest jackal]

I was asked to swap by my guild to resto Druid from holy paladin. Last week I was healing for roughly 270,000 raw healing but this week I couldn’t get up over 215. Did we change builds with the new nerf? Or is there a video I can watch so I can understand completely what I am messing up

[smoky sail]

post logs

[fast wraith]

ty and others for feedback. This is all clear to me now just horrible at reading healer logs (and logs in general)

[earnest jackal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/b8gp64wrLy3zBTZP

[storm kettle]

Cast more regrowths
I barely looked but if your lifebloom cpm is 4.4 you probably don't extend it with VI (which you should)

[earnest jackal]

I swiftmend myself to extend?

[storm kettle]

Yes, ideally with 2 rejuvs as well to maintain high abundance

[spark river]

Every swiftmend should be used on the person with lb and 2x rejuv. You have not extended lb 6/24 times.
You havent properly renewed lifebloom 3/8 times. Get lifebloomalert if you struggle with this.
You missed out on one usage of convoke.
Your tranq ramps need more hots. 9 is not nearly enough.
You should press regrowth more often. Aim for a 1:1 ratio with rejuv and regrowth.
You play liveliness but cast wrath 14 times which is kinda pointless. Thats a whole ramp missed.

[fierce isle]

Work on 100% lifebloom uptime, try to cast 1:1 rejuvs to regrowth

[thorn plover]

Absolutely not

Are we still telling people 1:1

[pliant notch]

what healing is usually required for 15s cause it seems just impossible at times

[spark river]

Yes

We need them to learn first

[pliant notch]

every key i do get to complete i usually end at 100-110k hps

[spark river]

They can adjust the playstyle to their liking later on

[rocky lodge]

i'm struggling with understanding how im not refreshing lb appropriately because i lifebloom when lba tells me to

i just dont understand how 3/8 is badly cast

[spark river]

Well you clearly havent renewed in pandemic window 3 times

Or you let it fall off

[storm kettle]

Lifebloom is blooming if it's refreshed during pandemic window (that's a good cast)
If you refresh it before it's bad, if you let it expire it's bad

[rocky lodge]

ahh okay so if you let it fall off it's basically fucked

[thorn plover]

That's high. Your group is taking more damage than they should

My overall on 17s and 18s is under 100k

[storm kettle]

However, if you extend well with VI your lifebloom cpm should be <2

[rocky lodge]

thank you for analysing btw

[spark river]

Yeah these are mostly smaller things

But definitely need to regrowth more

[pliant notch]

ya i ended a 15 caverns with 106k hps

[rocky lodge]

yeah u right im looking at top log from today and they ahve double the regrowths

[spark river]

You re leaving a lot of hps on the table by being only on 13 cpm

[rocky lodge]

do i regrowth even if basically full health?

[spark river]

yes

You want to spread the regrowth hot and use abundance to save mana

[rocky lodge]

yeah okay

thank you so much ❤️

[pliant notch]

i was mostly oom i couldnt really put in any dps i only got 13k out:{ but i havnt figured out how to do more then 20k in a key

[spark river]

You dont care about dps in keys

If you do some great

[pliant notch]

we did the 1st boss of caverns about 4ms

idk why people dont do more then 60-70k with the duo boss

[spark river]

you re playing with bad players

[pliant notch]

pug is lyfe

[spark river]

well i also pug

and my pugs are not that bad

[harsh quail]

you couldnt pay me enough to join a full pug alone

[pliant notch]

i mean they are ur usual 3100-3300 people

[kind star]

I dont like pugging 12+ 😭 too many bad experiences

[pliant notch]

my ele topped at 60k 1st boss of caverns

[grave quail]

What ratio do you find more appropriate ?

[thorn plover]

More regrowth

[grave quail]

Like 1.5 rg per RJ?

[spark river]

I wouldnt have it as a fixed number tbh

[thorn plover]

Yeah seems to be around there

But it varies

[spark river]

Id just regrowth slightly more than rejuv

[thorn plover]

What sola said

[grave quail]

Some fights with lots of movement I end up around 1:1 but I'll keep that in mind

[spark river]

But then again its a playstyle preference

[grave quail]

Just cuz my rj spam brain from previous xpaca

[thorn plover]

It's easier once you hit higher haste too obviously

[grave quail]

I think I run 31% haste with blood knights

[thorn plover]

I think I'm like 45% buffed in raid

[grave quail]

Oh damn

[spark river]

damn

im at 40

[thorn plover]

@spark river 31

[spark river]

the big 3 1

[grave quail]

Is that special or something ?

[spark river]

has become kinda a meme i guess

[thorn plover]

Meme number. A YouTuber told everyone 31% haste is where you want to be

[grave quail]

Breakpoints 😄 ?

[thorn plover]

And a lot of people ran with it

[grave quail]

Ohh

That's just the gear I got lol

I'm at 27 haste 40 mastery, probs just need more haste gear

[fierce isle]

Which YouTuber. I want to see it and laugh

[dry belfry]

exploding them with my mind as we speak

[rustic coyote]

Well actually from a very good m+ player, I would not laugh too loud tbh. Still it's true that 31% is not a breakpoints as we don't since stone age

[grave quail]

in terms of regrowth healing, do you guys see the hot doing as much as the upfront generally?

my critical hit and critical hot are about the same

upfront slightly higher

[nimble frost]

Question for you all. I am currently playing shaman, moving back to druid soon. The healing absorbs in crown, the popular opinion in our guild is that resto druids should ignore and focus raid while other heal specs focus those down.

Is that how you all are handling that mechanic? Seems regrowth could be effective with a couple hots on target and boosted by abundance and maybe an SotF usage.

[dry belfry]

druid should definitely not ignore them, we are quite good at healing them

regrowth is quite strong on them

[tired gale]

lb + apex 4 + regrowth = bilion hps

into absorb

[median marsh]

If you have a HPal / MW they can deal with them much better

HPal can carry

[nimble frost]

Yea, we have a pretty good h pal on our team. Appreciate the responses, everyone.

[median marsh]

this was our absorb healing in p1

and this was before the 2 most recent HPal buffs

can probably do even better now

[unborn sand]

So guys, are we rerolling mw for m+?

[spark river]

you definitely are

[unborn sand]

Damn why

[sacred herald]

Reroll to guardian tbh

[plain steeple]

16 seat

This key

That key with pugs is awesome

[kind star]

Im too scarred from scuffed pug runs to get back into seat now that im doing 10-12s 😂

[fervent mica]

Just did an 18 earlier... Timed with like 2 minutes left. There were 8 deaths. Lol

[whole horizon]

is that hpala getting innervate?

[median marsh]

ye

my innervate p1

and got boomie innervate also later in p1

since you dont need the innervate on Rdruid in p1

[whole horizon]

i wouldnt say hpala/mw can deal with it better than rdruid

hpala can cheese it with innervate, but rdruid self-healing amps and our apex make us really well suited to healing those absorbs this season

[median marsh]

no other healing spec beats HPal for single target healing atm

[whole horizon]

most logs have rdruid way ahead of mw in absorbed healing, and hpala only gets a shot because they get an external

thats like saying you can parse the highest with PI

of course you can little man

[median marsh]

might as well give innervate to your HPal so they can blast absorbs if you're playing druid anyways

for p1

[grizzled seal]

Is this alleria or paladins?

Cba reading

[median marsh]

Alleria

I'm talking about

[grizzled seal]

Right so that's ideal for paladin

No reason to do that as a druid when they can blast it in 2 globals

[dense lantern]

Did u skip 2 guys before jumping down?

[fervent mica]

No

Pulled them with the big pack on the left side of the path

They kept hitting each other with the circles, it was madness

[dense lantern]

Kinda cringe imho

I need to understand

how bad is it to let abysall enhancement go through

tooltip says fucking nothing

[fervent mica]

It's nutty damage

But purgable

[harsh quail]

its a nasty chainlightning on their autoattacks if it goes through

[dense lantern]

with or without range check?

like if everyone spreads does it still hit everyone?

[dense lantern]

Anyways this I forgot

Does this mean that as a mage I can just avoid interrupting it?

[harsh quail]

idk, I usually yell at my resident caster if they are lazy and stand 40y away from me

[dense lantern]

And just ss it every time

[fervent mica]

You can steal it... But if they hit with the it up it can kill someone if they're also taking another mech

[dense lantern]

Need to figure out if there's a grace period or if it just hits the group instantly

[shrewd gorge]

I think I am late to the party... is NS convoke no longer working?

[grizzled seal]

nope

[mint gate]

No longer working

[shrewd gorge]

🙁

[daring summit]

Dude what the fuck I felt like 4.6% weaker in raid yesterday

[mint gate]

Started playing Photo instead of MS. Managing mana again sucks, but the throughput gain is nutty

[fervent mica]

Always should've had phosy, that wasn't a choice

[mint gate]

Felt like a choice all the way to L'ura : shrug:

[daring summit]

Idk I was choosing embrace or MS

[steel bloom]

mind sharing talent tree? I've been unable to really play for a couple weeks and pretty sure my build is wicked outdated

[wise galleon]

you can spellsteal

nvm im slow reader

anyways I think we can bear the heal absorb on left boss of NPX, it really does feel like it works but I should check logs

[thorn plover]

Missed magisters 18 with 17 deaths by 9 seconds lol

[fervent mica]

Basically wow head, just some preferences in class tree changed

[tough portal]

Shoulda done more damage lmaoooooo

How many thrashes?

Yeah that's what I thought

You arent committed

[silk ice]

More thrashes and that 17 deaths might be 18

[thorn plover]

😂

[harsh quail]

the truly commited aim for 20

[crimson bone]

Guys I have dilema, actually my head piece set is 240 and my trinkets are Heart of Wind 266 and stat stick trinket like on screen.
QELive shows I should (for obvious reason) pick set piece but as alternative pick Coach Whistle its just -553 HPS (0.38%) difference, what would you pick?

[thorn plover]

That made my brain hurt
Take the helm

[dense lantern]

What helm

I assume doing +10s is doable for most people now

[spark river]

I swear maisara and magister went from being the toughest keys in beta to easiest now

[dense lantern]

So he should just take bonus roll

[thorn plover]

Myth tier helm?

[fervent mica]

Def pit

[dense lantern]

Not worth it

[thorn plover]

Over a 240 non set helm?

Gonna need the math there

[crimson bone]

I have 4set actually

[dense lantern]

If you get the token you're 1) rolling a myth item from a dungeon 2) reducing the pool for the next rolls 3) can get a better item 4) can get any elm and cata

[thorn plover]

Upgrade now vs upgrade maybe later

[dense lantern]

Upgrade maybe later = do a m+ and get the upgrade

[thorn plover]

Might be weeks before you reroll something good

Vs take bis helm now

[spark river]

why are you not a gambling man purr

[dense lantern]

Idk is that the only 240 piece you have?

[icy delta]

do you guys use audio assist?

[thorn plover]

Seems no brainer, but I'm spending my rerolls on Chim still

[spark river]

chim gang rise up

[thorn plover]

Ya my raid leader yells at me

Verbally abuses me

[spark river]

did you get gaze

[thorn plover]

No

[spark river]

cursed

[thorn plover]

They gave it to a tank that doesn't log on half the time

[dense lantern]

If helm is the only non myth piece armor you have then get helm

[spark river]

didnt you bonus roll it

[thorn plover]

Yeah I didn't get it

[spark river]

oh lol

thats truly cursed

[thorn plover]

2 more weeks

[dense lantern]

Otherwise I think it's better to just get a token and reroll any dungeon that can give you the most useful myth items

[spark river]

Probably the same for me tonight

we ll see

[crimson bone]

yes, rest set pieces are hero track, only head is 240

[thorn plover]

Ive gotten offhand and set chest

I got belt 1st week, but still on loot table

[crimson bone]

just started playing last week

[thorn plover]

So guaranteed I get belt next week

[dense lantern]

Hero is not myth. Which means that any myth item will be an upgrade.

[spark river]

there is a chim offhand in my vault so by my math its definitely getting bonus rolled also

[thorn plover]

Then some bug will happen, and loot table will reset

[dense lantern]

Which means that you have a lot of things to roll with the bonus rolls

[rustic copper]

Go guardian to collect the polearm too

[dense lantern]

And also the head being 240 means that you can just drop a hero version in m+ anyways

[thorn plover]

Already have it, so rolled balance

[spark river]

opening vault in feral next week just to mix it up a little

confuse the system

[silk ice]

I’m happy with 6-7 deaths

[thorn plover]

🎣

[crimson bone]

I don't feel any pressure to gear asap all BIS cuz playin with friends for fun anyway, and they also tells me to take bonus roll, but wanted to ask here to get opinion from better druid fellas.

[kind star]

hopefully today I get actually invited to keys 🙁

[thorn plover]

Vinter plays balance, that's not even a real druid

😏

[dense lantern]

(no I play frost mage)

[rugged crest]

Good morning y'all. Are there any good ways to track pandemic timers right now that aren't just looking at hots on frames?

[thorn plover]

🫪

[dusty wasp]

Bonus roll is incredible

[thorn plover]

LifebloomAlert for lifebloom
Danders can also make alerts for pandemic on all the hots

The built in danders pandemic stuff is solid

[rugged crest]

ty ty

[kind star]

I love Danders but man sucks not seeing some of these dots/debuff unless I gotta play around with settings.

[spark river]

what does dragonflight have to do with debuffs

[kind star]

idk what you talking about

[spark river]

not the edit 😂

[kind star]

but fair ill just say danders and not DF, because obviously id be talking about dragonflight since it was the last time I played.

[spark river]

im just messing around man

[thorn plover]

I haven't noticed any debuffs or dots that I'm not seeing, so definitely check your settings

All frames have the same access to what they can and can't show

[fleet jewel]

vanilla frames...

when is the ui team gonna do something

[spark river]

i played on default most of the time

switched to danders so i could just see the hot timers

Its a little diabolical if you get used to default

[fleet jewel]

20+ years

[kind star]

I just need to get better at tracking what mobs do in packs to not fully blanket ppl all the time or go full emergency mode if caught with no hots with some dot/aoe damage.

[pulsar kettle]

fotm chaser !

[silk ice]

I think frost mage fits their name better, winter and all

[sudden rover]

guys i've been converted to ND

i love it now

joining the nd gang

[harsh quail]

didnt you yesterday declare your departure to greener pastures?

[hushed silo]

is hc ribbon/gaze better than mythic heart of wind?

[thorn plover]

Sim it

[blazing gate]

right now I am at
7.59% Crit
10% Vers
31% Haste
37% Mastery
Should I go down a bit with haste an pump Mastery?

[harsh quail]

if anything you should go down on crit and vers

well, crit kinda difficult, but vers

[thorn plover]

@spark river

[thorn plover]

Get all the haste. Why would you want less haste

[silk ice]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[dreamy hatch]

When im preping for dmg in a m+ how many hots should I aim for before regrowth spamming? At least 1 rejuiv per person? With germination it feels very intensive to try to get 2 on each before, Gcd and mana wise

[spark river]

the great question is how does he have 10% vers

[harsh quail]

motw+ haste vers neck is my vote

[spark river]

1 per person and wg is usually enough

most of them should be spread through sotf tho

[dreamy hatch]

Okay, I ask because I feel like my regrowths hit like a wet noodle sometimes and its hard to heal dips

[blazing gate]

MOTW + hastee vers neck

[spark river]

The more hots you have the harder regrowth is going to hit

But obviously you are not going to spam each person with 2 rejuv or you re out of mana in 2 pulls

[dreamy hatch]

Using sotf on regrowths then isint a good idea u less there's maybe 1 rej and wg out?

[spark river]

should be mostly on rejuv

on regrowth only on big group damage

you d always want to wg before you re doing any bigger healing like sotf regrowth, convoke, tranq

[icy delta]

Guys do you know how i can get smaller healthbars on top on friendly players with plater? Literally pushed it to the smallest but the healthbars are still like almost a sentimeter height on my screen. I want them thin because i am not looking at them

[marble thicket]

is it any good for resto's ?

[icy delta]

they look like this and i want them super thin

like this

[thorn plover]

No

[sudden rover]

I was trolling, I think like 95% of my messages here are bs

[thorn plover]

Why do you want less haste

[unkempt frost]

hey, how much haste % and mastery % i need for raid ?

[spark river]

All of it

[unkempt frost]

i have 1400 haste , i use flak of haste or mastery ?

[sudden rover]

I think at 1400 u entering diminishing returns territory, might want to go mast

[hearty coral]

Diminishing returns doesnt matter if .9 of a PT is still better than 1pt of something else

So that answer is incorrect

The answer is sim it

[dense lantern]

I wish

[sudden rover]

well true but what makes you say this, are you sure of the math

especially when reading this

[hearty coral]

Yes that's just telling you when it starts

It doesn't mean you stop there

There's a sim for it

Feelycraft is not the way to go if someone is asking for gearing advice

With the way druids worked previously we usually go up to around 50% before caring about diminishing returns

[silver zenith]

@dense lantern does people want resto in M+ ?

[dense lantern]

yeah for sure

[sudden rover]

damn

[hearty coral]

Search haste cap

In resto chat

It gets asked all the time

And then look at the responses

[hidden lily]

are we still playing the apex talent in M+ after the nerf?

[spark river]

We went deep into dr in tww yeah

[indigo flume]

is this okay without flask/food?

[eternal bough]

how you get that ^^

im 283

[indigo flume]

i think its with 1% racial haste buff

[valid shale]

Kinda a nooby question but if I swap into bear form for frenzied regen, do I have to stay in bear or will the healing persist after I swap back

[rustic copper]

That looks low to me idk

[indigo flume]

1129 haste and 1133 mastery

[eternal bough]

but even

[spark river]

Lower for raid great for keys

[indigo flume]

im aiming for raid

sadly i dont have locus trinket yet so im missing this mastery

with flask and oil im at 39% haste

guess ill drop some mastery when i get locus trinket to maybe have like 40/41% haste

[rustic copper]

How many items do you have equipped that are not haste mastery

[indigo flume]

i can send armory if you wanna check

if thats okay

[rustic copper]

Just post a screenshot

[indigo flume]

of armory?

[rare coyote]

do you think for raid: the salhadar trinket or heart of wind is best?

Gaze is my other, both Mythic

[indigo flume]

i use gaze and heart of wind because i dont have locus yet

@rustic copper

[sour hornet]

would u guys use hc gaze with leech or myth heart of wind?

[indigo flume]

hc gaze

but u can simulate it

on QE live

[sour hornet]

ye i know, but im getting mastery overload with ribbon

[indigo flume]

isnt gaze + ribbon best combo

[valid shale]

What is the engine that is resulting in many top rdruid logs for raid having an insane amount of everbloom healing? My raw hps numbers are pretty high but my everbloom hps is significantly lower

[spark river]

Lifebloom uptime and swiftmend cpm

[rustic copper]

Yeah a lot of those slots aren’t h/m that’s why mine is higher, yours is fine

[valid shale]

My swiftmend CPM from this log I'm looking at was 4.3 with 95.7%

[indigo flume]

sadly no luck but next week i will craft either boots or cloak

[valid shale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DrxtLHkgMFjcdzyX?fight=19&type=summary

Here's the log. I'm Jonsdruid

[indigo flume]

once i get my mythic weapon and locus trinket i will most likely swap my neck for haste one

[valid shale]

Note that this was a pug so I opted to run incarn instead of convoke for a bit more consistency and to help pump regrowths through the intermissions

[bitter ember]

ur LB is at 84%, 100% is the norm

[valid shale]

LOL you're right. I was looking at LB as a buff which was showing it for both druids. That'll definitely do it

My bad

[bitter ember]

ure also just not casting ur spells, ure at 53cpm

with this much u should be around 58

[valid shale]

Could that be due to me running incarn instead of convoke? Idk if the spells cast by convoke count towards cpm

[harsh quail]

and technically you could use barkskin more often for some 20% heal amps

[bitter ember]

they dont

[valid shale]

Gotcha

I'd need to try and record a vod to figure out where I'm just not casting things

[bitter ember]

u just have gaps in ur casts

[valid shale]

The only thing that I can think are missing casts due to moving for mechanics

Where I should be filling that time with rejuvs

[rustic copper]

Is that the high crit neck?

If the double socket one

[rustic copper]

No that’s bis

[indigo flume]

oh

[bitter ember]

is that the lura neck

[indigo flume]

yeah

[valid shale]

Anything else standing out in the log as room for improvement"

[indigo flume]

i got this neck today from vault

[valid shale]

I just picked up rdruid for the first time this season

So very much still trying to learn the ins and outs of it in raid

[indigo flume]

@rustic copper maybe i swap my crafted ring when i get this from lura? because with new weapon and trinket ill get like +130-140 mastery and -40-50 haste

[bitter ember]

idk im not amazing on druid but not casting spells as often as u can is like the biggest hps loss i see in every healer log, ur swiftmend cpm is low but ure simply not casting as often as u could so first u fix ur cpm and then focus on other stuff, the basic stuff looks good just missing globals

and fix ur lb uptime

[untold temple]

hello guys sometimes when i cast regrowth > swiftmend soul of the forest gets consumed instantly and sometimes it doesnt any ideas how i can make it be consumed 100% of the time or is it not possible?

[bitter ember]

just dont do regrowth into spellq swiftmend if u want it to be consistent

[indigo flume]

isnt it a bug with regrowth swiftmend?

[untold temple]

the thing is i want it to happen

[bitter ember]

game just reads ur regrowth cast happening on the same global as swiftmend so it spends the proc immediately

[valid shale]

Roger, thanks a ton. I appreciate it!

Sorry... one last question: in a lot of top rdruid logs, I see that they're applying lb to themselves instead of a tank. Is there a reason for that?

[bitter ember]

u have like 26% increased healing taken and ur lifebloom splash depends on the healing done of lifebloom's bloom

so if u have lb 2rejuvs and regrowth on urself (you do)

[outer stone]

Has anyone changed out of everbloom after recent patch and if so can I see view your talent trees??

[bitter ember]

on top of wildstalker's amps

u just piss out bigger blooms which results in bigger splashes

[valid shale]

That makes sense

[harsh quail]

not to mention that tanks rarely have people around them and the efflo is kinda wasted then

[valid shale]

Also something I've seen in other logs is their stack count of abundance is wayyyy more consistent than mine. Mine follows a much more "ramp" style where I get 12 abundance stacks, spam regrowth, stacks begin to fall and then I start to ramp again.

Here's what the abundance stacks look like from a top log:

[bitter ember]

"top logs" have been notoriously playing poorly (9cpm regrowth 31cpm rejuv) and getting good logs because of underhealing or 200 otehr cringe reasons healer parses are the worst metric to look at after 95th percentile

[valid shale]

Yeah that makes sense. It just makes it tricky to review for the sake of finding areas for improvement

[bitter ember]

just stick to casting regrowths until u fall below 8 abundance stacks for now, some1 smarter would have to explain when its actually better to go for more rejuvs than regrowths (i know torty does that on lura but im big noob)

[indigo flume]

what cpm for swiftmend?

[valid shale]

I also noticed that they tend to almost always spend sotf on rejuv instead of regrowth

[bitter ember]

yeah thats the general idea

[indigo flume]

whats the "good" cpm for swiftmend?

[bitter ember]

with vi close to 5

with prosp closer to 6

[valid shale]

Ooof okay yeah I'm just trash then xD

[indigo flume]

okay thank you

my best log have 3.8 cpm xD

slowly getting closer

[tough portal]

I havent seen one log land 58CPM over 6 minutes

[gentle nova]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zGXj4BctWCyHA1Fk?fight=5&type=casts&source=36

Now you have

[indigo flume]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-2379897567703251318

[gentle nova]

Hes wrong once!!!

[indigo flume]

how much haste you got Mattiu?

[gentle nova]

Hmm

44

[tough portal]

Thats closer to 53 once you remove the stuff that arent gcds

[gentle nova]

Or something

[indigo flume]

damn

[spark river]

3k haste

On summary

Huh

[valid shale]

That abundance chart is making me feel much better

[gentle nova]

Playing at 12 is bald

[tough portal]

Yeah idk like... Wrongar obviously didnt use potion of reckless, so that's another huge boost to APM missing, but saying 'you're just not casting stuff' is straight up wrong

[silk ice]

-78 cpm in intermission

[valid shale]

Yeah I have a bad habit of not using pots as a healer

[silk ice]

I’m kidding, they removed intermission calcs

[indigo flume]

do you guys ever use mana potions or combat potions like haste/mastery?

[tough portal]

Like he's at 48 GCD APM and mattiu is at 53 with 400 more haste

Looks fairly compatible

[valid shale]

My secondaries are optimized a bit more toward M+ as that's the reason I play rdruid

[harsh quail]

if the stats window on wcl is to be trusted wouldnt he have gotten mastery on reckless use?

[valid shale]

I main disc priest in raid

[indigo flume]

wait mana potion and potion of recklessness share same cooldown?

[valid shale]

Yes

[indigo flume]

so should i use mana pot or actual potion

[valid shale]

Likely actual potion unless you're a paste eater like me and you suck at mana economy

[indigo flume]

hmm i see

i should def try with potion of recklessness

[gentle nova]

Being below 50 is not casting stuff tbh

Even if its with offgcd shit

[tough portal]

He isnt below 50 with offgcd spells counted in

No?

[rustic copper]

What you need is to replace the items that aren’t haste mastery with haste mastery

[tough portal]

In any case, I just thought the casting uptime looked normal and fine and there are like 3 seconds of downtime spread over the fight that felt like pointless advice to point out

And disingenuous to compare to someone with 400 more haste

[indigo flume]

alright thanks

[valid shale]

With offgcd spells removed, it's around 51 cpm

[rustic copper]

@gentle nova gloves next craft thoughts?

[valid shale]

There's also a chance that it's slightly inflated due to running incarn where I get instant cast regrowths

[gentle nova]

He does have gaps and cancelled casts a lot

And also pressing wrath ewwwwwww

[thorn plover]

Why are you stealing my ideas now. I'm supposed to steal yours

[rustic copper]

It’s not, regrowth has the same cast time with incarn as no incarn

[gentle nova]

Bad im using 4p

[rustic copper]

This was always my long term plan

[gentle nova]

Pressing wg is good if i have mana

[rustic copper]

I’m just finally getting to it

[thorn plover]

You shouldn't need mana pots. They're also garbage

[rustic copper]

IF

[indigo flume]

okay

[rustic copper]

You’re playing 2 Druids with no good innervate target

Smart

[valid shale]

Like I said, my mana economy is garbage. I'd typically hit wrath when we're coming out of the intermission to consume the remainder of incarn before starting the next ramp

[thorn plover]

Tier gloves aren't terrible, I'm running them currently. But using the haste mast shoulders and crafted chest

[gentle nova]

Just ask for innervate

[rustic copper]

I’m going to wear h/m m+ chest and shoulders with crafted gloves is the plan

[thorn plover]

But I was gonna craft gloves this week, but I'm 10 crests short

[kind star]

I completely forgot about MS in my first raid oops

[rustic copper]

I already have myth gloves though

[thorn plover]

I think that's best too

[rustic copper]

Spend 80 crests for the ilvl downgrade

[valid shale]

I'd definitely agree thought that I have a decent amount of cancelled casts

[gentle nova]

Cuz ur doing the doggy style of playing, going to 12+ then rg then ramping to 12

[restive mist]

any idea how i can help my second rdruid (there’s 2 of us, an hpal, and a mw) get their everbloom healing up? mine is sometimes triple theirs on certain fights but from my understanding it’s mostly smart healing. sure i will hold on to using a sotf at times for a more opportune time but that’s pretty rare and not always the case

[signal owl]

What class did you guys swap to after todays resto druid massacre..

[gentle nova]

That will fuck your mana in 3 mins

[valid shale]

What's the better approach?

[kind star]

druid massacre 😂

[gentle nova]

You press rg>rejuv

[thorn plover]

I went 7 mins on paladins with 4 cpm WG yesterday, no oom

[kind star]

people are so hella negative for a smoll nerf

[gentle nova]

4 is doable

[kind star]

its not like were bottoms and trash now

[valid shale]

Sorry I don't think I follow here

[thorn plover]

I could see lasting way longer by dropping wg more tho

[restive mist]

pls pay attention to me trying to help my fellow druid friend

[thorn plover]

Lifebloom self, 100% uptime. 2 rejuvs, wg. Self sm

Not much more too it than that

SM on cd

[gentle nova]

Thats bad for hps

Wg is good

[kind star]

was my first raid and our other druid had to ask me how to get EB healing so high lol

shouldnt have told him

[thorn plover]

For sure. I ended fight mana at 0% which was perfect, but for longer fight I could last if needed

[gentle nova]

Atp i just feel it out, but your casts should look like this

Kindof

Thats how u dont oom

[restive mist]

what is the correlation between the 2 rejuvenated and self sm? i’m assuming i’m doing things without thinking about it but how does that make the everbloom better? i don’t mean the self lb, def already doing that

[valid shale]

Yeah I think I just need to try and optimize a bit more for haste for raid

[thorn plover]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1gn9hTaNyZjLKA76?fight=last&type=healing

[vivid owl]

hey! did any of our builds change from the tiny nerf, or are we still chilling?

[restive mist]

i’ve kept everything the same

[valid shale]

I got my haste to around 1050 then started trying to build toward mastery

Like in that log, I'm even running a mastery flask

I'm also in desperate need of a better second trinket... coach's whistle for raid ain't it

[thorn plover]

Why

Why 1050

What lead you down this path

[tough portal]

Haste is totally insane for resto in raid

You could say it double dips on all of your healing

Or well, 70% of it

In some way

[thorn plover]

Nothing changed

[gentle nova]

[valid shale]

From simming to optimize performance in keys, ~1050 to 1070 seemed to be the sweet spot where it started pushing me toward mastery

[thorn plover]

🤨

[tough portal]

Big game today

[gentle nova]

I like mastery for m+

tbh

[spark river]

thats the big 3 1

i can feel it

[gentle nova]

But for raid if you dont have enough haste you will oom

[restive mist]

can u explain to me like im 5 the reasoning for the 2 rejuv wild growth and SM on self? is it just mastery stacking and does it affect the “final bloom” or am i missing something there

[valid shale]

I think the low hanging fruit is definitely swapping to a haste flask

[gentle nova]

It does

[valid shale]

Beyond that, it's probably gonna be tricky with the gear I have rn to move more toward haste

[restive mist]

ah okay that all lines up then ty

[thorn plover]

Big self blooms to make big everbloom spread

[restive mist]

got it. thanks!

[thorn plover]

Please give me more haste

[valid shale]

Is that with heart of wind or somethin'?

[thorn plover]

No that's just raid buffed

[valid shale]

Ahh ok

[thorn plover]

@spark river 31

[valid shale]

I'm glad that I'm falling into the 31% meme here

[lucid token]

Is rejuv or regrowth my main pre hot, and which one is best for rot damage? (I assume regrowth is best for big or catch up damage)

[rustic olive]

Rejuvs for Abundance stacks into regrowth spam

[spark river]

can i have some

im at 40%

kinda miserable

[valid shale]

I really appreciate all the advice and the small amount of roasting

Good to know that I'm not missing the mark completely and there's some fairly easy improvements that I can make

[thorn plover]

40s good

[spark river]

thats with flask

[thorn plover]

I have the haste trinket which helps a lot

I think I'm actually like 42%, I had some weird shit equipped there lol

[valid shale]

I'm holding out for a litany

[thorn plover]

I passed on myth litany last night

[valid shale]

We're progging vanguard rn and I'm highly debating making the swap from disc to rdruid for it. 99% of the reason is the healing profile. 1% of it is that I'd love mythic litany xD

[thorn plover]

Druid is so good on that fight lol

[valid shale]

Yup

Rn we have pres, mw, hpriest, and hpal

The disc just doesn't feel impactful enough and while I'm sure things will feel better once we're getting one of the paladins into execute, having nothing to SWD is turbo feelsbad

[grizzled seal]

I cannot fucking wait until I can drop paladins ring

[rustic copper]

I need 20 more bonus rolls

I want Lura jewelry next

[kind star]

2x druid hpal and disc for our comp

[grizzled seal]

3 items off lura

[valid shale]

4 healing paladins?

[rustic copper]

You can bonus roll the token and I already have helm

[grizzled seal]

Actually what happens when you have everything from the loot table and try bonus rolling?

[kind star]

We aren't even doing mythic yet lame, just joined last week was their first crown kill

[rustic copper]

Having an item doesn’t remove it from the pool

[grizzled seal]

Yes but bonus rolling does

So what if you bonus roll all of them

[rustic copper]

But if you for some reason bonus rolled Lura 5 times the 5th item would be a random item again I think

[harsh quail]

I would imagine that the bonus roll window simply doesnt show up anymore?

[rustic copper]

spam bonus roll Lura for tertiary jewelry for next tier

Smart?

[mystic pasture]

I recall reading somewhere that the table resets, but I could be making that up

There’s definitely a use case for players who want to play multiple specs and want to gem/enchant differently so I assume they’d just start the bonus roll process over

[hasty current]

Id save for the new raid. It looks to be all bis and random stats

[harsh quail]

how exactly are you gonna use saved up rolls on a 1kill per week basis?

[spark river]

@thorn plover bonus rolled off hand and guild gave me gaze out of pity

we take those

[hasty current]

That's true

I think your better off doing nexus for tertiaries tho

You get twice as many rolls and alot of good items in there

[thorn plover]

It pulls from other spec loot tables

Even if your spec is set balance, you'll start getting agi weapons for example

[merry kite]

Whats going on, are we officially off meta after the nerfs? I see so many guardian druid tanks, comped with resto shaman healers now

[thorn plover]

Nothing to do with our nerfs, everything to do with guardian buff

And shaman was already close in keys

[valid shale]

Phys comp stonks are up

[merry kite]

did they get surviveability buffs, or only dmg?

[shrewd jay]

How is the neck from Pit guys, I have it in my vault. either that or IDK, upgrade is tough :x

[spark river]

shaman druid and monk have equal representations in high keys

[proven phoenix]

pit neck is awful

[shrewd jay]

Started weeks ago

[proven phoenix]

anything with crit is awful

[shrewd jay]

/cry

[kind star]

uugh wheres them pants at keep getting anything from loot tables cept pants, last week I was stuck with blue helm, now champ legs smh

[shrewd jay]

I don't even know where to spend my voidcores

[kind star]

im also debating a bit, I kinda want a new trinket

[proven phoenix]

do chimaerus

[kind star]

even tho we only do heroic im thinking maybe its worth or I coin windrunner and flip the coin

[thorn plover]

Chim is easy puggable if you do it reset day

[kind star]

oh was gonna ask how it was

we will soon go into mythic but not this week.

[analog skiff]

@dense lantern i need you

raid wise what do you think ? with VI

[exotic zephyr]

if I'm not raiding, is crafted 285 haste mast neck better than the 289 haste vers necks in the dungeon pool? Or do I want a bit of vers for m+ so the 289 necks in the dungeon pool are better?

[haughty ibex]

i mean u should sim + think longterm about where do u want ur 2crafts to be eventually, also depending on valuts/drops u had etc

versa u would need just for survivability basically, its not a bad stat but u can also always recraft w versa if it gets to that

[obsidian cloak]

any idea why my cheetah form does not apply ? I always get normal stag tried buying the glyph again still bugged

[mystic pasture]

it's in the barbershop now

[outer stone]

since the nerf is everbloom/windstalker still the best talents for raid/m+?

[spare sand]

did they fix MT 1st pull?

[glossy copper]

In raid cat build, do you think it's worth dropping Improved Swiftmend & Grove Guardians for Unstoppable Growth 2/2 ?
Improved Switfmend seems useless (heal on myself while I have every HoTs possible) and Grove Guardians is low hps mostly on myself

[dusk talon]

Theres a lot to read XD, so after one day playing, are you guys noticing that huge diff in m+ ? resumee xd

[obsidian cloak]

yeah ik when I choose chetaah it does not apply

[calm flare]

Yeah i was wondering if any obvious talent changes for M+ by now. I'm just starting so dont know much

[main timber]

No talent changes with the tuning

[kind star]

no changes to talent same build as on wowhead

[lofty zinc]

Unstoppable Growth is a bait, Improved Swiftmend is the best pathing to reach TV/Abundance/Germ

[edgy grove]

how are we mouseover casting like we used to in dragonflight. i am stuck clicking each person then casting which sucks. i have the setting turned on in options but it isnt working

[calm flare]

So wowhead is still right? thanks

[main timber]

Yeah, I will update it if anything changes

[calm flare]

im using clique + danderframes

[dusk talon]

meant in term of healing performance on m+ btw

[calm flare]

Thanks for your attention

[kind star]

I didnt even know there was a mouseover option from settings now im using macros for all my spells

[glossy copper]

Damn really thought the heal dropoff reduction looked sweet

[edgy grove]

i forgot about clique

[calm flare]

after some tweaking (which i hate) its working perfectly

just have to take 5 minutes to understand whats happening and it works great

[edgy grove]

i just downloaded the addon. will have to play around with it to figure it out

[dense lantern]

I dont raid

[calm flare]

yeah, make sure to bind the "target" and "open window options"(or smthng like that)

so you dont lose the left click and right click normal interactions

[calm flare]

Looking at top keys specs, everybody is using cat. I'm assuming maybe its related to really high keys being hard to harcast starfire?

[main timber]

They have both, no?

[empty agate]

i'm hastemaxxing

[main timber]

Oh raider.io has no idea what they ran, but they might have done

[calm flare]

oh i see, so its not a trustworthy tool

thanks for explaining that to me

[main timber]

It might be accurate, it just grabs whatever they logged out in

[glass crane]

weird how in the 22 the hps graph keeps spiking to just below 400k hps and in the 14 it only goes significantly above 200k once

[calm flare]

I see

[main timber]

For the most part, how you choose to DPS doesn't matter all that much

but Cat AoE is awful and Starfire does a lot there

[glass crane]

measuring overall hps in a fight that is exclusively difficult for about 4 seconds out of every 30 is a bit misrepresentative

[weak crypt]

thoughts on reck pot vs main stat on lura intermission?

[edgy grove]

these mouse over macro still not working

[cerulean stratus]

jb are the bear stonks rising

[glass crane]

yes, they are immaculate

my rsham is 284 and primed

[calm flare]

i dont use macros at all with clique, just bind my spells to certain click combinations

so whatever i click on the frames, the spell goes out

[edgy grove]

thats what im doing

but when i hover over the group and click 1 for example its still casting on myself

[calm flare]

check if "self cast" is active

on ur options

[thorn whale]

No monk stonks?

[calm flare]

never tried that with keybinds, only "clicks"

[thorn whale]

Skyfury is op tho

[calm flare]

gameplay-> combat

[glass crane]

mw has systemic bias, I will never predict a mw season until we actually have a mw season

[edgy grove]

i just changed those. ill try again now

[thorn whale]

I haven’t looked at any rsham this tier, how are they handling heal checks? Surely they provide the most dps to the meta group if they’re capable of heal checks

[edgy grove]

SELF CAST was the problem

TY TY

[calm flare]

no problem at all, happy healing!

[tough portal]

"Constantly spiking to just below 400k hps" is a way to put it, these spikes are in the 260-280k range and the resto druid only goes above 200k hps in one of them.
I certainly wasnt trying to argue the dungeons do the same damage at that level difference, what the screenshots show, to me, is that the 4 other people are covering a much larger portion of the surviving part of this boss. Breath of Eons, Darkness, DK actually using AMS on the overlaps, the Brewmaster naturally self heals much more in a higher key.

[tough portal]

Maybe you just misunderstood the point instead, it was that many portions of dungeons where resto druids struggle with in keys often come down better execution for the whole group lowering the damage intake and the healing burden on the healer for spiky damage like on Vexamus.

[sly rapids]

Does the transfer magic debuff do anything in npx? I used to dispel it but now i dont and didnt see any difference

[glass crane]

you'll excuse me if I conflate the subtext of that with the very popular "14 pugs are actually just as hard to heal as 20s" bullshit that I read regularly in here

[viscid zenith]

With bear stocks rising it may be mw in the physical comps but shaman still need somewhere in that so does shaman beat out mw

If brew is king than Druid goes feral

[calm dirge]

I have done quiet a few 14-15's and i gotta say those are not as hard as people make it out to be

[wary belfry]

Yea 14 pugs are harder

|| im ragebaiting ||

[viscid zenith]

Shaman is also the lust in physical comps

Since Hunter are kinda garbo

[tough portal]

Certainly not all of them, it varies a lot for me, groups just have a wild range of execution, but lots of people dont play this game for a job and when they try a dungeon maybe 3 times total on a new key level after sitting in LFG for 40 mins at a time, it's hard to fault them for not seeing the bigger picture

[snow umbra]

Look what they did to my boy

[calm dirge]

Oh yea for sure. I don't know how it is with full pug groups because I often has a tank or a dps with me, but i can imagine it can probably tend to be hard to heal if people don't use defensives and such
I also went KotG for keys which does allow me to spend quiet a bit more mana than I would be able to with WS. At least that's what I noticed last time I went WS

[lucid token]

thx

[livid hearth]

my resto friend have 2h with embel crafted

wanted to analyze if he gets 2h drop from bonus roll he can embel different item

we see that ring craft would be highest upgrade for him, should we go loa worshipper ring? Because we see that on best embellishment list loa worshipper is as good as arcanoweave linen

[fierce isle]

🙁

[zealous hill]

Does heart of the wind only proc from damage spells

[urban kestrel]

no, but it only prcs in combat iirc

[zealous hill]

Cheers

[spark river]

Not as hard as in there is more damage to heal. As hard as in the pugs are very poor in their defensive usage and there is a lot of unpredictable damage.

[thorn plover]

That ring is not good

[livid hearth]

oh so we should ignore bis embellishment list

ok then we will check with best crafted piece with arcanweave lining?

[thorn plover]

Where is this list you're reading

[livid hearth]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/embellishments

[thorn plover]

I've actually never seen that page. @main timber thoughts?

[main timber]

The effect is fine, the issue is that the stats on the ring are awful

And there is 0 reason to run it over Arcanoweave on another slot

[spark river]

2x arcanoweave and farm rings is the way

[thorn plover]

Oh I see it's only measuring the effect

Makes sense

[main timber]

Yeah this page is effect only

[livid hearth]

ok ty then we will ignore the ring

[main timber]

But there is no spot in your gear for 3rd best embellishment (that requires you DPS no less) that's attached to a heavy crit ring

[livid hearth]

ok so 2 arcanoweave lining if we get good 2h from bonus roll then ty

[main timber]

Yep!

[rustic copper]

Update the page to be effect - stat difference for set stat embellishments

Negative value embellishment

[stable hawk]

lol

[pastel dragon]

sometimes i wanna drop nurturing dormancy for 2x TV in keys, think its not worth trading off the ability to pre hot better for known damage events?

[wise sedge]

This made me laugh so hard, thank you

[main timber]

I think the only other way to do it would be running top gear sets and calculating difference between best set with this embellishment and best set with none

Though some could definitely go negative that way

[rustic copper]

Don’t you already have default values for stats and use them to evaluate embellishments that give stats

[main timber]

Yes but for a ring I'd need to compare it to something

[silk ice]

Would that show hunt as negative since a 285->289 is better than what hunt provides

[rustic copper]

Compare it to a crafted ring same ilvl

[main timber]

No hunt usually wins that until you get another embellishment

[main timber]

Oh yeah I see

Hmm

[silk ice]

Ohh so hunt’s value would go down and arcanoweave goes up since the opportunity cost of hunt would be higher than arcanoweave on a bracer?

[main timber]

Yep

[silk ice]

[main timber]

This module in general is supposed to be more of a quick look though

I think I'd rather just make it faster to add emb items to top gear

[silk ice]

Yes please, I don’t like having to find the name of the embellished item constantly

Well I’m done with all that now

[main timber]

I considered a "common crafts" button that adds 10 or so

It just gets player specific fast with like where to put your arcanoweave

[silk ice]

How about an extra filter for gear slot? Instead of needing to know the name, you filter Weapon and it turns the name list into a list of weapons with their stats in parentheses

And maybe the crafted ones are colored or labeled slightly differently

Everyone knows “crafted ring” but don’t know what its actual name is, so they could filter rings and look through the hopefully shortened down dropdown list

[main timber]

Possible but you'd have to exclude a lot of items. There are like 100k of them

[rustic copper]

I have no idea how to even add an embellished item

[main timber]

You type it in and then there's an effect selector

[rustic copper]

I was considering crafting a neck and embellishing it just so I can upgrade my weapon to 289

[silk ice]

Can arcanoweave go on neck?

[simple rivet]

no

[silk ice]

O

[rustic copper]

I already have a hero neck and I have a myth weapon in my inventory that I’m not wearing is the reasoning

[simple rivet]

bracer belt shoes when im remember right

[rustic copper]

There’s a good chance that either before raid tonight or after next reset I upgrade it

[silk ice]

Makes sense, I’d rather use the token next week to 298 a myth weapon than a crafted one

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-had-one-angry-yelling-fairly-odd-parents-mr-turner-gif-16322274

[simple rivet]

im unsure weapon or gaze bc ntil know i got only 285 weapon, so will maybe going for gaze

[rustic copper]

Does upgrading cost voidcores? I dont know what a token even is ngl

[thorn plover]

We get tokens that drop from bosses

Seems like it will be like catalyst charges

[silk ice]

Upgrading costs a different currency which you get one a week starting next week

[thorn plover]

Is it 1 a week? I was sure it said drops from end game content

I kinda figured we'd just have lots of them since people run different weapons and trinkets for different content

[fervent osprey]

Hi, still no difference in the raid build after the tuning yesterday?

[silk ice]

Hmm it’s also called voidcore apparently

[thorn plover]

Nope

[fervent osprey]

Thx mate

[thorn plover]

Where did you read 1 a week

[rustic copper]

This raid is going to get absolutely blown up lol

[silk ice]

Oh I thought the hungering thing was catalyzed into the voidcores

It’s just the name of the quest item

[thorn plover]

I was trying to test this on PTR but they timegated and disabled all group content on it

[untold perch]

dang I am noticing a lot more resto going heavy mast over haste... by like a large %

Am I too close lol

[thorn plover]

Where are you seeing this

[untold perch]

looking at other druids builds

[thorn plover]

Where

[untold perch]

the wow site where you can look at others builds

[thorn plover]

[harsh quail]

thats not showing the 6% from lycara

[main timber]

In m+ you stack mastery more. In raid you stack haste more

[untold perch]

lol

I do focus more on M+ and rarely raid so.... yay me

[harsh quail]

I would have imagined that you would still want more haste just for the mini bl effect of recklessness?

[main timber]

Why

[thorn plover]

Just looked up 3 top druid keys and they all have more haste than mastery on wcl summary for the key

[untold perch]

everytime I come in here I leave more confused than I was before lmao

[main timber]

Ideally you just end up with a lot of both

[untold perch]

I guess I should just vibe and do my thang lmao

[thorn plover]

Aggregate sites are bait

[main timber]

My answer was correct but also if you have haste mastery on every slot then any further tinkering does very little

[harsh quail]

I mean at the end of the day you still just chase the haste/mastery items

[thorn plover]

There's not like a specific number you should be aiming for in any stat

The answer is always more

[untold perch]

yea kinda what I do

[rustic copper]

👀

[untold perch]

oop im in boomkin right now lol

[grand herald]

Thats a lot of crit

[proven phoenix]

those trinkets are so awful

jesus

[inner sonnet]

maybe the best they got access to

maybe they got extremely unlucky

[untold perch]

I have not been lucky with trinkets 😭

[inner sonnet]

[grand herald]

Go grind heart of wind

Get in there

[thorn plover]

Delve trinket on hero

Top 5 trinket

[untold perch]

ive been trying 😭

[inner sonnet]

I have over 90 runs in WS alone for that trinket

[untold perch]

LOL

[patent pagoda]

Hey all, I swear I'm either going crazy or the healing from everbloom doesn't feel like it's healing the absorb shield from the weekly afflix

[stray hedge]

Crazy?

I was crazy once

[patent pagoda]

They feel really hard to heal for some reason

[scenic pilot]

Shift to remove your own, tank just goes away automatically through incidental healing, then dispel the guy who's not removing his own

[hearty coral]

They are better to dispell then heal

[patent pagoda]

Yeah I do shift my own and dispel 1 dps

[thorn plover]

Every class has a way to remove it

[patent pagoda]

But if i have to heal it then it feels rough lol

[hearty coral]

It's not an absorb either unless they changed it

It's just a total you have to hit

[patent pagoda]

Oh is it not?

[hearty coral]

It looks like an absorb

[patent pagoda]

Looks like absorb on the ui

[hearty coral]

But its not actually an absorb

[patent pagoda]

Huh, turns out I am actually going crazy then lmao

[hearty coral]

If it was an actual absorb that'd be cursed

[patent pagoda]

So if someone is full health but has it will smart heals still target that person?

[hearty coral]

No idea I hardly play in keys that have those weekly affixes anymore

Just regrowth spam the last person

[patent pagoda]

Yeah, I'm new to resto so I gotta slog through the lower keys before I can do the actual interesting ones

[hearty coral]

They added a snare to the devour affix this season

To make it even easier to dispell

[snow umbra]

Any way to track Spatial Paradox when its been cast on me?

[patent pagoda]

Expecting dps to not zugzug is rough

The warlock left burning rush on the entire dungeon too lol

[idle lake]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/report/ycrohyknmmaq

i thought emerald whistle was nerfed

its a healing loss to take heart of wind ?

can someone explain why my log doesnt match up

[stiff ruin]

How much are you healing in keys? i'm doing like 100-120K

barely outhealing tank

[rustic copper]

What lootspec are you in

[inner sonnet]

restO

[rustic copper]

Unlucky

[inner sonnet]

yeah born unlucky

[rustic copper]

Pretty sure that’s a guardian lootspec dungeon

[inner sonnet]

with coins to reroll I have 2 chances

[untold perch]

wait is coach whistle better than light of the cosmic crescendo

[stiff ruin]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/report/kbrimuvzhsue

same it keeps telling me to use coach

[main timber]

If you only care about personal throughout then turn off ally buffs in settings

[twilit zinc]

quick question, is the apex talent currently bugged ?

[untold perch]

I'll use coach and see

[snow umbra]

No its just been turbo-nerfed

[inner sonnet]

turbo nerfed?

[twilit zinc]

not sure what you mean by that xD but mine is deff bugged

[stiff ruin]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/report/okzbwqotxewr oh okay it's recommended me do vaelgore stare instead of heart of wind

[main timber]

What kind of bug

[grand herald]

In what way

[twilit zinc]

it triggers the bloom even when there is no lifebloom present

[inner sonnet]

hots can trigger the bloom

oh no lb?

[twilit zinc]

(but only if you consume soul of the forest with rejuv)

[vivid owl]

Hey! noob question, but sometimes when i use swiftmend to use the buffed rejuv, it doesnt work? 🥲

[grand herald]

Thats been a thing

[twilit zinc]

if you use it on regrowth the bug is gone

[grand herald]

But also it doesnt matter

You should have lb with 100% uptime

[main timber]

Oh yeah that might happen sometimes but also you should never let lifebloom drop

[urban kestrel]

how dumb is it to max an alt and brick it on nexus point just to get the ring discount on my main?

since none of my alts I care about have rings

[grand herald]

Are you spellqueuing SM after a RG

[hearty coral]

Did you accidentally spell queue swiftmend after a regrowth

[twilit zinc]

sure, I was just curious because I noticed it by mistake while on voidstorm - I just used rejuv followed by swiftmend and got the bloom effects and was like "w00t?"

[west topaz]

sounds like too much time investment idk

[vivid owl]

oop

sorry brain isnt working today

[urban kestrel]

I guess, but I have like 20 level 80s just sitting around pumping out rank 2 pots and oil every 3 days