resto

[gentle nova]

Its fine mana wise

[fast burrow]

lot of microdrinking does the trick tbh, but one big pull and ur ultimately fucked for the rest of the key if your tank perma chains

[rustic copper]

Are we talking about m+ rn

[fast burrow]

However i feel like i never get close to oom on rdu. atleast up to +8, no matter how big the pulls are

[fast burrow]

I dont do a lot of raiding, its kind of painge

[rustic copper]

M+ is painge

[gentle nova]

We were talking raid

R1 disc on lura

That spec doesnt oom

[rustic copper]

Should I gear 2 chars next season

If they don’t nerf vantus

I killed Lura this week on my main and I swapped to alt for Alleria for 2nd vantus

lol

[gentle nova]

You sucky sucked on alleria

[rustic copper]

????

[gentle nova]

I joined adeptxo stream

[rustic copper]

I was cranking all night wdym

[gentle nova]

Ended at 210k on details?

[fast burrow]

tell me about it, tanks just perma chain....

tanks dont even look at healer mana anymore

[rustic copper]

The fight doesn’t dmg Wcyd

I’m like 50% overheal all night

[gentle nova]

It does we just cant do healing without pressing wg

[rustic copper]

I did 400k raw hps on paladins thoughts?

[gentle nova]

I was checking other logs and pressing wg on cd or close is actually like a 8% gain

[gentle nova]

Unbeatable next week

[rustic copper]

How do you measure 8% gain

[gentle nova]

Just on wg healing

[rustic copper]

My healing changes by 10% depending on my mood

Ok but did you consider that you pressed less regrowth

In order to cast those spells

[gentle nova]

No

[fast burrow]

best thing about new disc, no more overheal, just 🛡️🛡️🛡️🛡️🛡️🛡️

[rustic copper]

Lock in

[tired gale]

me why i LB myself

[thorn whale]

Okay send?!?!

[unique sedge]

Yes

[bright swift]

worst thing about new disc, penance turning you around

legit wanna scream every time

[fast burrow]

You can disable it

[bright swift]

not the character

the screen yes

[fast burrow]

Ah

I mean i just click both mousebuttons to start facing the direction I want

Also, I still barely use penance on allies. I still mostly use it to spread swp

[bright swift]

yeah but I don't wanna do that every time i cast penance

..

[fast burrow]

If you are aware of the damage patterns, you can easily do this

[bright swift]

you don't do this in raid ever

[fast burrow]

I mean, obviously, but I barely raid hehe

I don’t have a lot of time to play, and I don’t see the fun in signing up for an entire evening of wiping

[bright swift]

and you proceed to play m+ for 50 hours per week

[lethal lichen]

fuck keys

lazy content tbh add just some +% to hp and damage and vualia here is new content to farm

old woman scream

[tough portal]

Yall always go too far

With the shit circlejerk takes

Also pve healers lmaooooo

[lethal lichen]

i know why keys thing in first place just seems odd to me

[bright swift]

Has anyone been more based in this channel

i doubt it

[thorn whale]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-looking-meme-gif-16858979507596336040

[tough portal]

🐽

You dont offend me with that

Oink oink bitch

[spark river]

Shit takes without me

[lethal lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/piggster-meeboo-pig-piggy-big-piggy-gif-18385303

[west topaz]

i used to hate the screenswinging but i kinda like it now cause it's like wheee twirling

[lethal lichen]

dance around

[west topaz]

also its rly funny that i felt like i was pressing 1000000 sweaty prehot buttons on rdudu but i just hit Big Void Shield after two charges of penance and we are immortal wtf

i still like both

[tough portal]

Its ok to be bad at resto

It isnt for everybody

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HGOKgQqbkAAmeik.webp

[west topaz]

maisara and nexus im still bringing the rdudu

that place is not disc friendly

seat also honestly

[lethal lichen]

seat terrible if routes terrible

two casters on first pack = gg

[west topaz]

pug tanks under a 16 dont know what a route is, so you just wing it

as always

[lethal lichen]

in 16+ too tbh

[west topaz]

rip

[lethal lichen]

get facerolled anyway

[west topaz]

the fear of seeing the tank be a bear

[proven phoenix]

there is no way disc is more comfortable in m+ than druid

you shit out 100k hps with just lifebloom and consuming sotf on druid

[west topaz]

rdruid is comfy

but i think i also just like GAMBLING and i miss hpal

[lethal lichen]

i have tank bear who have shit route

[west topaz]

my brain is not normal

[proven phoenix]

I feel like especially with how much heavy dot/single target healing there is

disc is just miserable

[west topaz]

the worse the key is going the more im like "finally"

[lethal lichen]

mw more comfy for keys for me

rdudu its just idk dont feels right

maybe bc i dont dps

[proven phoenix]

dps has nothing to do with it

druid is good because you do obscene amounts of healing for not that much effort

[lethal lichen]

im just bored

[west topaz]

dpriest dps does feel better cause it's expected anyway

[lethal lichen]

in raid there is olenty shit to do

[west topaz]

esp because you hit mindblast and all the healing is better bc dmg is better

[lethal lichen]

in keys you just uh stunhotsstunhots

[fast burrow]

Unironically less wiping than raid

[bright swift]

Progressing is fun

[fast burrow]

Got m6/8 one season, that was enough for me.

[bright swift]

so you didn't even get to the boss where you really wipe

[fast burrow]

It is when ur actually home at raid times yes, im only home sunday-monday 17:00-2:00

[lethal lichen]

cosmos so easy if ppl dont stupidly die on intermission

[fast burrow]

Was a casual guild. Cba to tryhard

[fast burrow]

And I also cba getting judged on by parses tbf

Im just not good at healing in raids, ill come out for that one. Makes it a lot less fun aswell

[thorn whale]

Are you good at m+

[rigid mirage]

Last day with the apex sadge

[fast burrow]

Good is a difficult statement, I did get higher score than ive ever been so far though

so there is improvement, which makes me happy

[proven phoenix]

trying to convince someone to play different content than what they want to play is just pointless

[fast burrow]

mind that ive only been playing since the end of dragonflight

[proven phoenix]

im glad you're having fun in m+

[fast burrow]

<3

[thorn whale]

I see that I’m not trying hard enough

[west topaz]

i felt so bad about this i felt like i had to fix it this tier during when we still went kotg a few weeks ago

[fast burrow]

not that parses say anything based on healing except for how good or bad your group was, but these are the parses and the max keys ive done so far on disc

@thorn whale

and this was my last peak season, tww s1

[west topaz]

that s1 i felt like rdudu was cracked as hell

everything was so snappy and grim batols came easily

stonevault was aight

[fast burrow]

ive always played disc and ill prolly always stay at disc

[west topaz]

even tanking as bdk then felt easy, now it just feels choppier

[fast burrow]

im trying to play rdudu but im struggling really hard and i dont really understand why except for my ilvl and lack of haste

[fast burrow]

theres not one dk ive NOT seen fall over at first pull AA

[west topaz]

yeah

s1 tww bdk was strong compared to this time i dont understand why blizzard does things this way haha

[fast burrow]

2x PS, Voidshields and Shadowmends arent even enough

[west topaz]

nothing is enough

[thorn whale]

You don’t have to prove anything to me friend - I’m just saying that whether you’re good or not at something is subjective, so your raid parses are kinda whatever as long as you’re having fun

[fast burrow]

Lets say, I feel a lot better mentally doing keys than while raiding

I become selfconscious very fast

[west topaz]

keys are fun and less people to think about

[balmy spire]

Raid parses arent saying much imho, if you got a bad healer buddy you can parse high, if all healers are good its hard to get a good parse imho

[west topaz]

also they kick rdudu out of raid pugs this tier a lot more, it's been horseshit

[rigid mirage]

And if ppl don't stand in dogshit

[rustic coyote]

I am of the opinion that everyone should play the class who enjoy the most. A non meta might not get up to +24 or whatever by the end of this season, like also a not top end skilled meta won't get there anyway. Furthermore, if you "get paid" to play is different compared the short amount of time per week that you can dedicate to improve where you lack most

[tough portal]

Damn you tried to be toxic and got a reasonable reply instead sucks to be you

Had to double back rq

[thorn whale]

Not easy in this world

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/212765839496052737/1488950095956283463/image0.gif

[tough portal]

Hahaha

[rustic coyote]

there is already too much toxicity around XD

[distant birch]

no healer can save a bad tank tbh, its mostly up to them

ur only there to support a bit

[west topaz]

cant be worse than that one chick on insta that refuses to do m+ or raid, like i dont even know why she plays

she's done a single bg since wrath

one

[distant birch]

I can understand not doing m+ tbh...

[west topaz]

i dont, m+ is fine

ffxiv sucks for me cause it doesnt have keys to do

sometimes im double subbed so i can raid in both tiers

[distant birch]

I like raiding a lot tbh, but always found m+ a bit boring tbh

But thats just subjective ofc, plenty of people clearly like it a lot

[tough portal]

Farm cosmetics, achievements from questing and the open world content, events etc

Lots to do in wow

For all types of players

[fervent mica]

doing any content far below your gear/skill level is boring... its why we don't do normal raids /-:

[rustic coyote]

That's because you think that people should like what you like

[thorn whale]

It’s just que simulator

A guildie asked me last night “why are you doing this to yourself again this season? Do you not value your time”

Didn’t know what to say 😂

[reef zenith]

Even as someone who’s usually preferred keys - it gets like this in keys as well, except just going again is way more of a chore so I guess you pick your poison

[distant birch]

tbh i dont even mean pugging, since i never did that

but ive done title keys with premade and id still rather just spend that time raiding lol

maybe itd be more fun as a tank or sth

[torpid shore]

showing news there's also other content than raid or m+

[rigid mirage]

If they are uncapping conquest on the 12th does that mean they will also uncap myth on the 12th?

[fast burrow]

Im generally a very reasonable person xd

[tough portal]

It's not all that different from wiping for 12 hours on a boss tho

[tough portal]

There's no reason to uncap myth, you can only spend a finite amount of myth crests

[fervent mica]

uncap myth so crafting other slots isn't banned 😄

[marsh prism]

insane opinion

[tough portal]

Yeah ffxiv sucks for so many other reasons lmao

[marsh prism]

also it has the best dungeon content ever which is criterion dungeons so get going

[tough portal]

https://tenor.com/view/eat-shut-up-dog-hand-gif-20066290

[marsh prism]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01H8QK3158000BQF0RCZF5Q31Q/2x.webp

[onyx trail]

yummy

[inner sonnet]

wohwohwohwoff

[thorn whale]

I mean you’re actively playing for those 12 hours

[tough portal]

Not all 12 of them

Most of it you're going through the motions while others learn too

[thorn whale]

The playing part itself sure is a lot like pushing keys - But pushing is 40% in que, 40% learning key, 20% waiting for others to learn key

[spark river]

join a casual guild and you ll see the same numbers

[thorn whale]

I spent 1 hour in que last night to get into 1 key and time it

But I’m also a bit behind curve so that doesn’t help

[spark river]

Which keys are you doing

[thorn whale]

20’s

[spark river]

Well yeah obviously

Thats team territory

[thorn whale]

I think resil 20 is fine in pugs

21’s is where it starts

[fast burrow]

theres generally no "vs" competing in healing during a key, which is why i like healing keys. there is no reason to feel bad as long as you dont brick the key by stupid mistakes

[spark river]

But also there arent that many 20 keys so people are extra picky

[fast burrow]

idec whether its a 10 or a 20, i mostly play for the chilling, and any bit of progress is cool

[tough portal]

They need to abolish resil keys

[tough portal]

Yeah raiders just take it as a personal attack when you dont wanna devote time to raiding

[spark river]

spending hours doing homework keys is a sure way to never play m+ again

[tough portal]

Vrocas always does this bit about spending time doing keys but not wanting to spend time in raid as if it was an unreasonable thing

[fast burrow]

time with my partner > raiding

[marsh prism]

wow i never would have guessed his princess

[spark river]

haha

[tough portal]

Also a swiftie

[fast burrow]

its not some type e-dating shit if thats what you are thinking lmao

[tough portal]

You're my fav

[spark river]

ngl feels like a ragebait no one cares about

[tough portal]

??

Only you think it's any type of bait lol

So random

[fast burrow]

I love people that get triggered by my name, says more about them than me

[marsh prism]

i just turned 32 years old thats not a thought i have it was just a funny combo of messages

ok

[spark river]

I can talk for myself, so yeah I think I guess

[marsh prism]

simmer down

[fast burrow]

dw my Char name in wow is even worse

[marsh prism]

cannot be worse than girlcock

[fast burrow]

My partner is not as dedicated to wow as i want to be/am, so we just settle and do some low keys together here and there. Quality time together is much more important to me than tryharding a game that gains me nothing but some dopamine xd

[fast burrow]

xdddd

[tough portal]

I just meant cuz of the lyric in the bio

[fast burrow]

then that was a very interesting message to reply to then haha

[tough portal]

[tough portal]

[reef zenith]

I feel like the time investment of keys has been ok for me this season. I got the 3400 achi last weekend, just raising from resi 15. The 1% in EU feels a bit much for me pugging aka I’m too far behind to not feel how much time it will need.

But I’m probably ok with that. The fixed score related achievements are there and I can work at them when I choose, that works for me.

[tough portal]

Bro @reef zenith you been typing for 20 mins

Oh you sent it

[desert kayak]

based as fuck

[reef zenith]

A lot of it was boring, still a wall of text

[tough portal]

No it's ok it's a valuable message mate

I just get anxious with the typing

[tough frigate]

Tried to fix my laptops spacebar and broke some of the tiny clips, rip

[marsh prism]

phased still wins this one im afraid

though girlcock is an evoker

[fast burrow]

i mostly love how people in wow dont really give a shite about names, in league people are whining every game xd

[marsh prism]

they need surnames in wow

[onyx trail]

stolen valor btw

[marsh prism]

ff clears for it

[tough portal]

Where is this from

Apple music or

Spotify doesnt show me

[onyx trail]

gonna type an essay in ur DMs

[reef zenith]

Agree. Some of my friends have had to be less active this season with irl, so alt keys with them is a good time. Only downside - I feel less good playing alts with the pruning. Harder to get into some specs

[fast burrow]

its stats.fm, paid 10bucks onetime to see my lifetime stats forever xd

[fast burrow]

idm altkeys rn as im gearing rdudu :D

[reef zenith]

Druid as main this season has spoilt a lot of other classes for me

[solid hemlock]

i like jumping back and forth from pres evoker and resto this season

[thorn whale]

It’s a LFG plague for non-teams

[stray cipher]

Same

[thorn whale]

But for teams it’s great

[reef zenith]

My MW is actually rotting - spinning in keys isn’t that fun after the first few. Raiding on it feels very pointless since alts = pug so realistically that’s heroic

[odd rapids]

When you guys DPS with the caster spells in M+, do you do it in normal form or switch to moonkin form?

[distant birch]

on god

[fervent mica]

caster form. owl isn't worth the gcd to enter

[marsh prism]

normal, no fluid form either

[odd rapids]

tyvm

[silver zenith]

newb question: why is shift mend greyed out sometime?

[karmic kernel]

Target doesn't have a hot for it to eat

[silver zenith]

so there is no healing effect on the target...

so im doing lifebloom on tank..
How to i apply hots on the rest fo the party (like in dungeons)

[karmic kernel]

Largely through Soul of the Forest + power of the archdruid, but there is nothing wrong with natty casting hots on players

[silver zenith]

I need to read more I think
Used to holy priest

It’s very reactive

I’m missing a panic button 😅

[fervent mica]

there are guides in the pins

druid isn't super reactive, you've got to plan ahead

[silver zenith]

Yeah.. I read them

But I just tried a follower dungeon to get the hang of it

I will read again 😊

[restive kettle]

I only play Rdruid so unsure how other healers are performing but what is it that makes us so attractive/meta do we just have more raw healing output?

[gentle sky]

More raw healing, arguably best raid buff, bres, can live a lot of oneshoty abilities with bear form

[restive kettle]

Makes sense, I know it's kind of the job but most keys I feel I go in keep everyone alive and don't do much more whilst I feel other healers can get more done in terms of dps/stuns etc.

[stable verge]

Well nothing is stopping you from dpsing

[restive kettle]

I do some dps but I can't get to the numbers other healers put out without inserting more risk than I can manage

[stable verge]

You can output quite a bit if you put your mind to it.
You also have a mass-disorientation, vortex typhoon and shit

[restive kettle]

A lot of dungeons have random target 1-3 heavy damage which I need to be prepared for with Hots

[distant birch]

you most likely wont do as much as monk

not sure how much shamans do but its a meme spec anyways

[restive kettle]

Use all this but it doesn't feel as impactful as a stun

[stable verge]

But once you know that you can be prepared

[stable verge]

Hmm I would argue otherwise

When it comes to general kit in mm+ I'm not sure any healer is better than us

[restive kettle]

What use cases do you get from the above that you feel makes it more impactful?

[stable verge]

Just the amount of it. If I want to prevent cast I have the shout + typhoon

That's two opportunity instead of one

Stun value is great but other dps will already stun anyway so it's not like you can 100% duration, it's mostly for preventing a cast

[restive kettle]

Fair point

[stable verge]

On the flip side you still have a Root, vortex, group speed boost, you're VERY tanky ect

[dusk talon]

Hey guys. Sorry for bothering and if you have pinned the info lmk
I'm gearing my new rdrood, need to catch up myth items with rolls in m+10 (i'm not raiding at all)
So we have now 4 rolls and tomorrow 6 for dungeons
On what dungeons should i roll and for what ?
Maybe staff ? Chest and legs ? Some trink or rings ?

[stable verge]

Nexus point as good weapon + ring you can start there

[median marsh]

A key will never be decided by healer DPS

Just focus on healing, keeping people alive and using your CC/stops when appropriate

then when completely comfortable, you can do some DPS

and DPS can do more DPS when they feel safe

[restive kettle]

Fair, one of the difficulties is it's hard to measure yourself against other healers performance as there is only ever 1 of you

[distant birch]

nexus point is very good

[median marsh]

judge yourself by if people died or not

that is your parse as a healer in a M+

and moreso, judge yourself by how safe the DPS were

DPS that are not fearing they are going to die from damage will blast way harder than those that feel constantly like they're gonna die

as they will play less conservative

[restive kettle]

Good point

[median marsh]

even more reason why the KOTG DoC is noobbait, you are doing more damage, but your DPS are way less healthy and your groups throughput is for the most part worse

so you are losing overall DPS to a key

even if you are doing way more

[restive kettle]

I definitely don't run that build outside if weekly 10s

[echo hedge]

as far as ramp timing goes, is it best to have the regrowths up on targets before the damage? or during?

like do you ultiamtely get more out of the dot or the initial heal?

example mythic dream - do you want to be spamming regrowths right as the pulsing damage/absorb? or do you want the regrowths on multiple targets going into it?

[median marsh]

first point in Windrunner Spire is a very good example, very hard healing check, but the good healers make you feel safe and like you aren't having to have a finger hovering healthpot etc

so the pull dies faster and the dangerous part is over

same goes for bosses and so on etc

[dusk talon]

Rings and staff ?

[distant birch]

and chest

[restive kettle]

I think there is a healers trinket that isn't great there so might be better to roll as balance.

[distant birch]

yeah defintely bamkin loot spec

[restive kettle]

It's a good point, will look to analyse some of the things im doing that could help dps uptime/confidence

[dusk talon]

The goal is to burst gearing cause fresh char, i thought about focusing head chest legs trinket etc
Maybe not the good choice

[kind star]

today is vault day! Praying I get a weapon to replace my 259, sitting on 160 myth crest 🙏

[stable verge]

Well if it's just ilvl for the sake of ilvl then sure, but might as well get the turbo bis pieces first

You can craft chest as tier piece has shit stats anyway

[thorn whale]

Don’t think this statement is a great addition to the rest you’re writing

[median marsh]

for the majoriy of the player base this is true

you could time a 20 doing 0 DPS as a healer

[thorn whale]

It’s never “decided”, but you can time a key because you did great DPS while keeping people safe

[median marsh]

ofc

but best to focus on the healing part first before worrying about DPS

[thorn whale]

Yeah for sure - Just think it’s important to not do this “never” thing

Just a matter of priorities

[desert kayak]

Feel like goalposts always move when this discussion comes up

[median marsh]

contributing to DPS on boss can help, with maintaining your DoTs + feral frenzy itself is a good chunk of damage

but in a pack, healer DPS is a drop in the water

same for bosses tbf, but still a slightly more impactful

if you ever fail a key due to lack of DPS, that's on the DPS themselves

who could have performed better

[spark river]

Do damage but dont care about your damage

[gaunt willow]

I hate that pull

[median marsh]

basically

[gaunt willow]

It’s like the most difficult thing in the whole game

[kind star]

prolly because im a bit undergeared but I never really had time to dps in the keys my guild 'carried' me in

[desert kayak]

It doesn't help your actual own personal gameplay at all though to just sit there smugly after a deplete and go 'well, dps should've played better but i can play worse cause i'm a healer'

[kind star]

was tough to keep the aug and WW up ngl xd

[median marsh]

well no, healers job is to heal and use utility to keep people alive

the 20k DPS you do in a key does nothing to sway the timer

[desert kayak]

no, everyone's job is to do their best to time the key

[median marsh]

keeping people alive and safe and enabling them to do damage does

and the best thing a healer can do is as above

[desert kayak]

15-20k st on a boss is -45s off the timer

[spark river]

ideally you d want it during damage, but you would spread your regrowth hots anyway if there is no damage happening soon

[thorn whale]

This doesn’t change the fact that your damage matters, and as Ictinus my goat is saying, everyone’s job is to do their best to time the key. If you can keep people safe and do dps at the same time, then you absolutely should

[spark river]

Yeah boss damage is important

[median marsh]

thats what i said

[spark river]

And every boss has downtime where you can dps

[median marsh]

you can contribute on bosses

[thorn whale]

You can contribute on trash as well?

[desert kayak]

if you ever fail a key due to lack of DPS, that's on the DPS themselves

i was mostly taking objection to this

[echo hedge]

thank you

[desert kayak]

healers would rather deplete a key and cry about pug dpsers

[spark river]

It tends to go a bit more chaotic on trash in pugs

[desert kayak]

than play better

[kind star]

wonder if ill feel some dif going from 259 to myth weapon/crafted today

[thorn whale]

Ofc, doesn’t mean you can’t contribute

[spark river]

Well I do always try

At least on the prio add in the pack

But the thought process of I depleted because I didnt do 10k more dps doesnt sound right to me

[thorn whale]

Yeah and when that mob dies your group is usually safe and you can do damage after

[median marsh]

exactly

and especially for newer/improving Rdruids

putting stress on trying to do damage

while not focusing on your main role in the key

which is to heal

[fervent mica]

the problem is the ones you see standing there basically afk for 30+ seconds waiting for the next time they need to heal

just do something 4Head

[spark river]

Im going to look at how I can improve in all aspects of the key definitely, but damage is probably going to be the last one

[thorn whale]

It’s connected tho

[echo hedge]

are people popping Vaelgor's before convoke?

or with tranq?

[thorn whale]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_of_control

Imma go back to work

[spark river]

I use it with convoke mostly

Depends on timers

[echo hedge]

awesome ty

am i right in saying that nature's swiftness before convoke is a good idea ?

[kind star]

it doesnt work anymore, ns doesnt buff convoke spells.

[median marsh]

in raid, if you get a good tranq ramp

it can make your tranq ticks go crazy

but you can pair with both in raid

since its a 1m 30 CD, assuming playing 1 min convoke

[echo hedge]

yeah awesome ty.

[echo hedge]

aww really

[storm elm]

This is so sad it was actually a cool interaction

Makes sense but sad

[kind star]

yeah like 3-4 weeks ago was stealth patched

[gaunt willow]

On the damage front even on trash you can do a quick thrash + rake + priority rip on most trash packs which contributes a decent amount of overall dps for very little effort

• boss single target damage

[echo hedge]

anyone know why my lifebloom will not give this sound alert in any capacity is it a known bug?

i just want to keep uptime on it lol

[spark river]

it is a known bug

get lifebloomalert addon for pandemic

[echo hedge]

ah fuck okay well that makes me feel better haha.

[echo hedge]

perfect thank you!

[thorn plover]

Gm

[spark river]

Hi purr

[thorn plover]

Surely today is my big vault day

[tough portal]

Oh purrformance

I remember

My keybinds

Lemme write them down

[kind star]

today is the big day ofc, hopefully either weapon or trinket to replace that radiant sunstone poop

[tough portal]

Happy vault day

[primal jungle]

Is Hava worth running in keys?

[glossy onyx]

Where do I get an adventure track item?

[marsh prism]

world quest i think?

not sure what level delve

[topaz hull]

How are the nerfs, are we playing without apex again in Raid?

[balmy spire]

No.

[dusk talon]

The nerf I rly now nah ?

I mean wont change life

[topaz hull]

Its 3% overall and 10 or 20 on Everbloom or smth no?

or did i measread

[primal jungle]

We wildshape into a bench for the other players so we can be useful for the raid

[topaz hull]

xD

[tough portal]

I dont think this will turn into no-Apex builds, no. Nerf is alright whatever.

[smoky sail]

Nerf deserved

But still gonna be super strong

[topaz hull]

ye nerf is deserved, just wondering about build

[tough portal]

And 7 for interact keybind

[topaz hull]

played no Apex before buffs weasnt that bad

[smoky sail]

Think the build barely changes

[tired gale]

how about - apex 4 + 1 min convo

[kind star]

what does ppl take to not alr have 1min convoke?

[spark river]

2 tv

[kind star]

ah gotcha

[balmy spire]

Theres no way people play 2 tv instead of 1 min convoke or?

[tired gale]

what the hell is tv

[kind star]

thriving vegetation

[marsh prism]

you dont have to fall for it

[thorn plover]

I don't hate them. Nothing completely unhinged there

[fervent mica]

i don't even know what to hope for in vault this week

[spark river]

i do lmao

[thorn plover]

I combined a lot of stuff when I went to a clicked style bindings thing. I can't believe I didn't switch sooner

Man I was missing out

[fervent mica]

we locked out already... so i don't get raid vault. lol

[haughty ibex]

how can u even click F keys comfortably

they so far away

[silver zenith]

UI noob question... what wow native meter shows procs? like soul of the forest?

[fervent mica]

cool down manager?

[kind star]

cdm or just ya know, everytime u SM u get the buff anyways and wont sit on it.

[analog skiff]

living rent free in this discord

[thorn plover]

Good morning to you too noah

Just wanted to let you know I got 7 hours last night

[limpid prawn]

Is there a way in warcraft logs to show how much healing is done to the tyr's wrath healing absorb in lightblinded vanguard fight?

[fervent mica]

yeah, turn on absorbed healing

[limpid prawn]

lol that simple huh 🙂 thanks

[upper hamlet]

https://youtu.be/tiDwohPRn3w Could someone tell me which addon puts lifebloom icon on cursor? And which addon makes the error sound when lifebloom is down? Happens at 2:57

[kind star]

lifebloom alert for the sound queue on lb

[grizzled seal]

I do

[upper hamlet]

It cannot be just a sound for dropping the buff. The sound keeps going until he reapplys the LB

[kind star]

ah then hes probably using some kind of weakaura for both idk

[crude hatch]

i cant seem to find a proper answer to this (maybe im just blind) but is there any deminishing returns on our mastery?

as in - one stack 30%, 2 stack 60% etc.? or is the second stack worth "less"

[thorn plover]

LifebloomAlert does that

And the cursor

It reminds you at pandemic to refresh, then yells at you again if it falls off and keeps yelling til you apply it.
Cursor same thing

[kind star]

oh I might have to fiddle with my settings then

not much of a problem in keys but in raid

[crude nebula]

double dk

might be my favorite comp

my dps couldve been way higher lol

cause i felt like i barely had to heal

[sudden rover]

yeah this class is crack broken

I wonder if tomorrow's nerfs will put a stop to that

not sure

[crude nebula]

what dk?

[crude nebula]

or rdruid?

[sudden rover]

yea dk

[crude nebula]

dude

they BLAST

like, in 19s keys, mobs are dying like were in 15s

absolutely mauling the dungeons all while being tanky feeling

[sudden rover]

yeah I mean they have insane aoe damage, insane ST damage, huge utility and they can't die

they legit can do it all

[thorn plover]

/LBA
If you have any questions feel free to ping or dm

[kind star]

the goat 😄

[bright swift]

@thorn plover it's crazy how many youtube comments I've responded to with a link to your addon

[stable verge]

It does ye, there is a table somewhere in this discord

[crude hatch]

Any idea if its much?
Looking at high hps resto druids i see everbloom is extremely high in hps, but they dont take harmonious blooming, which would be free 3 extra stacks? any idea why?

[stable verge]

Because they can have all hots on them easily, mastery falloff is pretty high. At this point, an additional 2 stacks from hb would not be better than another point somewhere else

It could be a different story if this was about 2 more hots (therefore making lb bloom that much often), but ye

[crude hatch]

true, 2 extra stacks.
Assuming you get a pretty much free perma RG on yourself, its only WG and rejuv (or two) they need to apply. Gotcha.

Still getting used to the switch from mop to retail resto druid 😄

Does 3 stack LB bloom for 3 times the healing of 1 stack LB?

[stable verge]

There is that fucking chart

[crude hatch]

daaaaamn thanks!

[silver zenith]

another newb one:

so the basics is..

Run lifebloom at all times...
Put rejuvenation on your pary
Keep swiftmend up
Keep wild growth up

everything should be kept up because it makes regrow better!
you then focus heal with regrowth that is stronger now because of the HoTs

[stable verge]

Never bothered to check but I'd assume it blooms for more

[stable verge]

Kinda, but 'member not to turbo spam rejuv instead of regrowth otherwise your mana is going leave for Oblivion

[kind star]

always keep 2x reju on lb target for more blooms

[stable verge]

The more you'll get the damage pattern the more you'll be able to ramp properly as well

[chrome gazelle]

Expansion savior

[crude hatch]

do you use SOTF on RG or Rejuvs?

[kind star]

thats my issue atm starting doing 14s and such, idk the pattern enough lmao and im scrambling to get thru damage windows

[stable verge]

In raids ? When nothing is happening likely rejuv,

[grizzled seal]

You never sotf regrowth in raids

[crude hatch]

either - i spend it mostly on rejuvs just to blanket the raid more, unless someone is currently taking dmg. Im not really holding it back, or atleast i try not to

[stable verge]

Rdruid can provide near infinite heal but it does suffer from a bit of a knowledge check, where if you are not prepared for damage you are turbo-weak

[kind star]

but thats how I learn by struggling thru it! I didnt know about those roar that interrupts in magisters I think

[crude hatch]

never? i thought thats what makes it super powerfull - 60% stornger on 3 targets, splashing onto others?

[grizzled seal]

No, don't do that

[kind star]

was helpful running with my buddy being my own weakaura yelling stuff for me lol

[grizzled seal]

Just spend on rejuv

[stable verge]

In magister's ? Don't you mean windrunner spire maybe (elf on bird) or mamoth in caverns ?

Well either way

[crude hatch]

aaaaight, thats what i do anyway. Need to up my RG cpm tho, thought that would be a good way

[kind star]

windrunner prolly, well the hawk packs

[stable verge]

Yeah that one

[kind star]

I knew about MC mammoths

[grizzled seal]

You generate rejuvs with VI and sotf/pota then spam regrowths when you can

Druid only does burst with tranq and reck pot

Everything else is just flat healing profile

[oak crow]

Hey so I know I have seen this talked about in here and have seen some people say it works and some that say it doesn’t but I tried to find a blue post on it before I posted this but is casting NS before convoke still a thing or has it been fixed?

[stable verge]

Fixed

[grizzled seal]

2.5 weeks ago or something

No blue post

[kind star]

is it normal to have to spam regrowth alot on someone? example they have some dot on them, dispel being on cd. Or is it mostly me being a tad undergear 266 with 259 wep

[grizzled seal]

Most bugs get fixed without blue posts

[oak crow]

Ok ty

[stable verge]

Depends on the context I guess ?

If someone has a nasty dot in fairly high key you can't sustain them with just hots

[kind star]

Idk the debuffs name well enough to give a clear example meh

[stable verge]

But as a whole regrowth is your main healing ability all things considered, particularly as damage gets heavier

[kind star]

I was also healing aug/ww they are somewhat squishy too I think

[stable verge]

They tend to be yeah

[kind star]

but everytime I had all hots on them and then spammed regrowth when they had a nasty dot

[restive kettle]

There are plenty of dots that may require you to spam 3 or 4 regrowth to get through, thinking some of the healing absorbs that also leech health.

[kind star]

maybe I should also start moving my lb more

something I dont really do... :/ shame on me

regrowth seems so high on my breakdown of my first 14

[stable verge]

That's pretty typical though

[rotund geode]

Anyone tried the Starfire heal build? Where you spam Starfire during 15sec to heal your group? What's your opinion about it

[stable verge]

I'd be impressed if it wasn't, it should be you main heal

[kind star]

ok good im way too hard on myself man I gotta stop that shit

im still learning to get better

[stable verge]

Moving lb is a fine thing to do but you need to understand they when to since you'll lose stacks and a gcd

[restive kettle]

As long as you're not slamming regrowth into people with no hots then you're in the right ballpark

[stable verge]

Cool for lower keys you want to help blasting, otherwise not recommended outside of particular play

[rotund geode]

Dorki been healing 19s with that shit I don't understand, I did a 14with it yesterday and despite achieving high HPs and higher damage it never felt like I was in control

[silver zenith]

@kind star does. blooms spill over on other players? the rotation seems very single target focused...but i guess the hots also spills over to other targets

[grizzled seal]

Read apex talent

[stable verge]

Yes he did, while playing with extremely good people in the group

[silver zenith]

@grizzled seal the talent tree is overwhelming to me... but will do 😄

[kind star]

yeah more like speaking depending on comp I should maybe have it on myself too sometimes

if ranged heavy my lb and blooms feels useless kinda

[stable verge]

To put in perspective, if you are asking if it's good, you can't use it.
Otherwise you would already know when it can be and the downside

[prime girder]

Is there a way to make the Danders raid frames glow on dispels? Like dread breath on drags?

[stable verge]

It's less healing overall, so if the people in the group are not good, the group will go to shit very fast.
Also if you miss you healing/dmg window because of bad play.. rip

[silver zenith]

everbloom noted

last one for now:

i dont think i understand "sould of the forest"

its a proc..

but guides are saying that you im "consuming" it?

[stable verge]

You can always ask them to be in green shit during heavy dmg, otherwise well it still blooms on them regardless so that's that

[kind star]

does the bloom reach outside efflo oooh...

[stable verge]

Apex makes the bloom go on people in the group yes. If they are in efflo they get even more

So might as well be in, but it's not 0 value

[kind star]

ok sorry for dumb question I cant read 🙁

[stable verge]

Well hey it's still better if they are inside, so x)

But usually lb is either tank or weak dd. On yourself is a thing also, just situational

[restive kettle]

Swiftmend to activate SOTF and then Rejuv/Regrowth to consume and trigger bloom is one of our strong ways to reactively heal damage so it's good to try and understand.

[kind star]

cool thanks Herduin really helpful! I might just move it on weak dd ill keep that in mind

at least ive got the basics down and solid now

[stable verge]

You'll find when to switch by yourself as you progress 🙂
A good exemple is lb on tank for AA first pull but on you/ dd for windrunner first pull

Since on the latter tank dying is out of the question

Anyway gl with it 🙂

[rotund geode]

How would you value alleria ribbon heroic trinket vs mythic heart of the wind

[kind star]

u the goat 😄 appreciate the help

[tired gale]

qe live it

[haughty ibex]

with qe live

[glossy holly]

ribbon is kind of miss or hit for m+, u pretty much want chain pulling to keep the stacks

[thorn plover]

Imagine when they all of a sudden decide Sunday night that it's secret again

[unique reef]

What's the name of the addon?

[glossy holly]

its very easy name

u might even guess it

[bright swift]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/lifebloomalert

[grave quail]

what happens if you reapply rejuv to a pandemic sotf rejuv?

does it just become a normal rejuv?

[grizzled seal]

Yes

Overwrites completely

[grave quail]

darn

thanks

[glossy holly]

does all hots overwrite stronger hot

[grizzled seal]

Yes

They don't check for that

[rotund geode]

🙏

[fierce isle]

I woke up today feeling weaker and I don’t know why :*(

[bright swift]

i don't

[glossy holly]

eu still going strong until tomorrow

[fierce isle]

You’re healthy and well balanced. My mental state is based on the up or down arrows of resto Druid

(Kidding)

[kind star]

feeling about 5% down today 😂

[bright swift]

i don't

[grizzled seal]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[thorn plover]

And people say NA has an advantage. Smh

I can't wait to get 7% nerf and still gap the rest of my healers

[dreamy hatch]

So im a new resto healer and am learning the feel for it in m+. Is it normal to just like feel like my job is to spam as many rejuivs as I can and just hope for the best? Like I catch dips with regrowth sure but i find that using sm into rejuivs gives the most consistent heals/triggers for lifebloom over using regrowth after sm

Do you need a critical mass of rejuivs before using regrowth?

[glossy holly]

hands are scary

[dreamy hatch]

Should I be applying most of those rejuives proactively throught sm procs leading into damage over hard casting them?

[storm kettle]

You'll get the feel of it in time when you know how heavy and the duration of each damage event. Your job however is to set those before the damage event

[glossy holly]

u will occasionally hard cast rejuvs to get double rej's

primarily u will be spending swifts-rejs to spread

LB on u or weakest member that may take a lot of dmg

keep hots on LB person

[dreamy hatch]

So maybe pop 1 or two here and there but dont focus on it rely and sm procs

And make sure lb target is hotted up

So really im only using sm regrowth as an oh shit button

[glossy holly]

only if its really dire

like whole party is on verge of dying

[grizzled seal]

@bright swift are you a believer in dropping apex4?

[bright swift]

no lol

[grizzled seal]

Yeah I'm kinda thinking we still play it

[glossy holly]

u just spam regrowths cuz it becomes cheap due to rej's

[bright swift]

it's just free healing you don't even have to think about

[dense wharf]

As a mediocre m+ resto druid, should I be fazed by the nerf today or just not worry about it or some secret third option?

[grizzled seal]

Ehh you have to think about it

The entire build is around it

[bright swift]

no you press sm

[opaque frost]

Roll mistweaver and have more fun

[grizzled seal]

You press SM on yourself

That's thinking

[bright swift]

yes

..

[opaque frost]

@dense wharf

In all seriousness tho, I wouldn’t sweat it

[rare yacht]

Hello, is this build ok for M+? or i should swap something?

[dense wharf]

As an altoholic, I think my crew would kill me if I tried to gear up another healer at this point, hah. So glad to know I don't need to sweat it too much 🙂

[glossy holly]

this nerf may only really affect u in very dangerous situations but u can still manage it with relative easiness with proper pre hots setup before high dmg situation

nature's bounty and regenerative heartwood is missing in ur setup

[grave quail]

question regarding apex 4. keeping lb and full hots on yourself when consuming sotf is common now with the %16 self heal talent from regrowth, but what about guardian druid mastery or vamp blood for example? does that affect apex talent? and do mastery stacks on people healed by apex 4 matter too? If my guardian druid has 30% heal amp, would it not be better to consume sotf with lb on them? and if one of the players healed by everbloom has 4 hots does it double dip into mastery?

[glossy holly]

but im not too sure if thats huge difference

[sudden rover]

bro pugging in 17/18s range is hell on earth

the dps players are SO BAD

it's fucking insane

[grizzled seal]

Vamp blood works, pretty sure guardian mastery doesn't

[grave quail]

oooh interesting, thanks

[grizzled seal]

Stuff like barkskin talent and shit like that counts too

[gaunt willow]

Standard since forever haha

[azure zodiac]

you can make same argument for healers

or tanks

[sudden rover]

no u cant

dps players are especially bad

they have nothing to do but dps

[azure zodiac]

healers have nothing but to heal by that logic?

you dont have to dps to time 17

as healer

[grave quail]

@grizzled seal which barkskin talent?

[sudden rover]

yes tell me how playing dk or warrior is harder than healing a 17s with people that never use kicks or defensives

I will definitely trust you

[glossy holly]

hc seat was big pain as healer, 0 interrupts

[grizzled seal]

Class tree. Increases healing taken by 20% when barkskin or frenzied regen are active

[grave quail]

thanks 🙂

[azure zodiac]

Then play dk and get into 20, tell me how it goes

or try to get invite as war

i dont like when ppl make argument X is easier then Y

[grizzled seal]

Healer is objectively the easiest role in keys

People are just delusional

[sudden rover]

if people play good yes that is true

[azure zodiac]

if you cant pug 17 and others resto druids can then its you

[grizzled seal]

Full of passenger princesses

[sudden rover]

it becomes the hardest when people play bad

[grizzled seal]

No, it's always the easiest role

[sudden rover]

delusional

[grave quail]

i don't think its about whether its easiest or hardest but it's a very different game healing vs dpsing

[unique spear]

I always found tanking to be the easiest. Rotate CDs, and just whistle while you pull.

[grave quail]

it's qualitatively different vs quantitiatvely harder

[azure zodiac]

i mean switch to feral and try to push keys

[grave quail]

it's hardest in pugs who dont avoid damage or use defensives reliably where there is a lot of unexpected damage

[azure zodiac]

let me know how it goes for you

[shy bramble]

all ik is when I'm dpsing I'm much more relaxed than when I'm healing

[sudden rover]

no shit, same

it goes without saying

[azure zodiac]

ppl always claim their role is hard cause they didnt try to play competetive with others

[shy bramble]

that's not dpsing being hard that's feral being non-meta

[sudden rover]

ye that karloo guy is delusional too

idk why u talking in resto channel, you are a feral

[versed fiber]

passenger princess, thats a new one

[azure zodiac]

my point is if you struggle with resto druid on 17, you wont push 20 with any dps

its skill issue not role

[mystic crater]

It’s an old one, herb

[glossy holly]

huh

[grizzled seal]

People yapping about pugs dodging dmg when 90% of dmg in keys is impossible to dodge is always funny

[mystic crater]

Surprised you didn’t know about it

[versed fiber]

LOL fair

[boreal karma]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[mystic crater]

Hi naenia, what’s your take :3

[prime girder]

Is there a way to make the Danders raid frames glow on dispels? Like dread breath on drags?

[boreal karma]

Game is easy in general

[versed fiber]

🤪

[grizzled seal]

M+ healers are by far the most delusional players in this game. Not even 1600 rated pvpers have that much disconnect between reality and their skill

[boreal karma]

any role is easy

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HGOKgQqbkAAmeik.webp

[azure zodiac]

@sudden rover you hit your skill celling and its okay, but its not dps issue

[oak garnet]

Healing is harder when your group sucks and is easier if they are good

[grizzled seal]

[oak garnet]

Saying 90% if m+ damage is unavoidable is laughable

[echo flint]

why is my guildie saying SM boost wg too?

[glossy holly]

i do not agree that ability is universal regardless of roles

[oak garnet]

It just will kill you doing a key higher than 15

[slender tundra]

This Nerf hits so Hard I think. 6-7% is to much I think

[grizzled seal]

Show avoidable dmg in your latest m+ log

[boreal karma]

Dumb

[round hull]

So true man. Most of it is just rando AOE damage.

[grizzled seal]

For an arguments sake

[oak garnet]

Not at computer but obviously it's a fraction of the total

[grave quail]

I enjoy playing the minigame of healing, its different than dps or tank for sure but its what I like. Is it hard? I dunno, it can be stressful but I'm sure dps can be too

[echo flint]

he keep saying i should wg after sm

[prime girder]

lol ofc not

[subtle cobalt]

it used to ...ages ago. only boosts regrowth and rejuve now

[oak garnet]

And there is still pre walling mechanics etc that make a big difference

[echo flint]

yeah got me reading up the talent tree again

[mystic crater]

They’re just outdated, that’s all, toy

[grave quail]

I taught a dh that he can remove debuffs with veng retreat in a 17 yesterday, that ticks for like 1/3 his life every 2s

[oak garnet]

A good healer can cover for people taking more damage than they should, even doing 17s / 18s

[sudden rover]

watch hunter not using freedom on first pull of nexus then tell me how I don't heal him

very funny

[oak garnet]

And in those runs I feel like my job is harder

[grizzled seal]

3 key levels does more dmg than having a permanent defensive up

[oak garnet]

True

[slender tundra]

The apex nerf is okay , but 3% of all the heals are to much!

[boreal karma]

So what we can’t change it

[grizzled seal]

You can literally have 100% barkskin uptime in 19 and you will take more dmg than someone doing 16 with 0 barkskins

[oak garnet]

But that's also why using cds properly becomes more imperative

[round hull]

The apex nerf is kinda head scratching their literally just buffed it last week

[grizzled seal]

No, people are just delusional about their skill level, that's all

[oak garnet]

Ofc

But that's a lot of people

[lapis osprey]

servesr up yet?

[silent ruin]

i'm reverse delusional about my skill level
what can do

[round hull]

no retro

not yet brotha

[lapis osprey]

rats

[slender tundra]

Yeah thats true , maybe they Buff Restro next week haha

[boreal karma]

For sure Not Happening

[oak garnet]

venting about questionable dps and being aware of your skill level aren't mutually exclusive

[silent ruin]

so we back to tree?

[grizzled seal]

It's not head scratching, the spec was over buffed

[round hull]

I guess what I mean by that is don't they have access to the same sims we do? How could they have not seen that to begin with.

[grizzled seal]

They are idiots

[round hull]

Truth!

[stable verge]

I mean hey to be fair

Everbloom first was supposed to be more than 60% lmao

[grizzled seal]

I called this apex change stupid before the patch and I'm surprised it lasted more than a reset

[boreal karma]

They probably didn’t Account that healer is the hardest role

[grizzled seal]

I was expecting a nerf after week 1

[boreal karma]

[round hull]

I honestly didn't notice much of a change. The biggest change I noticed was the prio target with LB didn't feel invincible without the 5blooms but still very strong.

[silk ice]

It was so stupid that a lot of people thought “there’s no shot they also buffed m+ rdruid healing” and assumed they were nerfing it

[stable verge]

I mean in raid it's a seismic change from the earlier version of everbloom

[boreal karma]

The difference of 5 to 3 Bloom for the lifebloom target is only noticeable during swiftmends

[round hull]

Yeah I don't raid so I really can't speak to that

I just do M+

[boreal karma]

In any other Case You have more healing on lb Target

So if you Look a 10 sec timeframe you have more heal

Just the swiftmend Bloom window is worse

[boreal karma]

Prolly even 5 sec frame

You need 1 extra Bloom

[round hull]

I just really love the design right now of Rdruid. Only complaint is i wish catweaving was viable because it just felt more fun

[boreal karma]

Catweaving is for sure more fun I agree

[stable verge]

It's viable, just not the maximum possible amount of damage

[round hull]

Starfire does clap though

[thorn plover]

Almost like voulk called them on it too lol

[dreamy forge]

Does wildstalker catweaving increase healing done at all or is Wildstalker better healing than Keeper just because the healing effects are stronger? I'm wondering if I can make a wildstalker caster build work

[grizzled seal]

It just does more healing in 5m

Your caster dmg will be worse because there is only one caster talent in the entire tree really

And keeper has more of those

[dreamy forge]

yea but on the class and spec trees i now take a lot of nodes that increase phys dmg, i could pick the magic versions instead

[carmine glen]

Is it too early to say if we take different talents with the changes? stay apex for now?

[thorn plover]

Talents won't change likely

[grizzled seal]

We send Vrocas into the mines to test different permutations again

[carmine glen]

excellent

[grizzled seal]

He comes out with data

[versed fiber]

and less hair

[dreamy forge]

thanks for the reply, I'll try something out and grief my own M+ keys if it doesn't work.

I find it really awkward to get good value from catweaving so I want to try if it fits better for me to use Wildstalker with caster nodes

[thick summit]

did we ever decide on no apex or apex with the nerfs orrr

tbd

[grizzled seal]

I very much doubt we drop all of the apex talents

[dreamy forge]

I've never used my apex talents on my mistweaver monk, they are straight garbonzo for keys

[thick summit]

ty tortellini i will be using apex

much appreciated

[dreamy forge]

mans got me hungry now

[thick summit]

[opaque frost]

@dreamy forge ya I’m shocked they haven’t reworked mw apex

[dreamy forge]

ikr but tbh the build now has so many fun talents that idk if i would want a better one 😛

[grizzled seal]

I like druid raid build without apex more

[opaque frost]

True it’s a blast in keys

[grizzled seal]

More variation in how you can play

Apex locks you a lot more

[dreamy forge]

yea getting 4 flex talent points can enable some fun builds for sure

[smoky sail]

aslong as you dont have to play Tree again

[opaque frost]

Still kinda wild how hyped apex talents were pre release and they get here and two healer specs run without for a bit

[rain hinge]

I just saw someone ask but consensus is we still take apex today for raid?

[grizzled seal]

Most likely yes

We might drop the 4th point but the first 3 look still too strong

[tranquil crystal]

I was thinking that too

[gentle nova]

I dont think most peopl should drop aprx 4

[smoky sail]

hmm what would you play instead of that, 2nd TV or 1 min convoke?

[gentle nova]

Its just easy healing, and drop it for a tv will just be less healing for average druids

[tranquil crystal]

i aint gonna lie ive been running 1min convoke for a bit

[woven mango]

Did talents change kingss and queens

[urban kestrel]

1min convoke is still pretty good and so is MS, they're like 1% less max overall hps talents and 1 unlocks meaningful hps and the other unlocks reck pot on longer fights

no one really cares if you did less fake healing on like saladbar's 2nd orb anyways

[smoky sail]

i dont think you need shapeshifter on any fight that isnt Lura

[lapis osprey]

looks like maintenance got extended 😭

[urban kestrel]

I really liked it on crown but I was giving an innervate or 2 to paladin then wrathing to full mana on lust

[gentle nova]

You dont need it in lura, either

But more mana allows more wg casts which is probably more hps

[grizzled seal]

You only need to heal until the end of p3

P4 healing is extremely fake and all pad

You can 2 heal that phase

[urban kestrel]

and it felt better on our first paladins kill and has just continuously felt worse as the boss dies faster now that the dead boss dot doesnt even ramp up

[smoky sail]

P4 is soloed by Efflo

[urban kestrel]

like you basically can go afk after ret paladin dies so who cares about MS there, it's just there to maybe make log number higher if you have a bad pot timing like me

[gentle nova]

Idk how you are not ooming

You can oom in 3 minutes if you press wg

Spend the mana

[urban kestrel]

I feel like a lot of the time if I run out of mana rn its just me overcasting rejuv because im moving on paladins

thank god beloren 9minute isnt actually a thing

[gentle nova]

Its not the rejuvs its the wgs

[urban kestrel]

is it? it's just like 1.6 rejuvs every 8s

I dont think that's that bad

[gentle nova]

Its bad

I have 24 rejuv 24 rg cpm

And if i press more wgs i oom

[urban kestrel]

I guess the rejuvs are also discounting stuff and whatnot, I also have so much trouble parsing how many of my blooms/trees actually come from which spells

[gentle nova]

If i dont i can heal 9 minutes

[urban kestrel]

but with 2/2 TV rejuv and regrowth are both a lot closer up to WG anyways

so less of a big deal anyways

the only thing that would make WG catch up at all is dropping swiftmend healing for the reduced dropoff, and I can't see that competing with 2/2 TV or 4/4 apex

[gentle nova]

It is a big deal, not pressing wg is a big hps loss, but you just dont have the mana

[grizzled seal]

On lura?

[urban kestrel]

god I wish that talent was 1/1

[grizzled seal]

Don't say saladhaar

[gentle nova]

Comparing my 3cpm logs with 5cpm its like an 8% overall hps loss

Wrong reply

On crown and belo

Not doing lura

[grizzled seal]

I'm struggling to cast on lura while doing mechanics

xD

Too old

Also went below 40% haste

[gentle nova]

Yeah thats gotta be shit

When i did some lura pulls i couldnt cast shit in p1

[grizzled seal]

Also ramping for both interrupt crystals and healing crystals is so fucking weird

If I wanna heal interrupt part then my rejuvs just fall off during crystals

But if I wanna heal dusk crystals then I can't heal interrupt

[gentle nova]

We had a shaman just slt second set

Lol

[grizzled seal]

It's ok we have a paladin and he is getting buffed

I'm not touching these fuckers again

I have an excuse now

[gentle nova]

Slt is stupid

It insta tops all

[grizzled seal]

Yeah that sounds fun

[urban kestrel]

thank god my raid finally getting justice for running hpal, hpriest,rsham,drood

well, rsham really still needs a real cooldown, and our hpriest just gave up because even like a grey parse disc is shitting on orange hpriest parses rn

[gentle nova]

Playing with hpriest is fun

You just get hymn buff for like a minute overall each fight

[urban kestrel]

well it makes up for the fact that you have roughly 70% of a useful healer

I'm still so mad about what they did to manaforge holy to create this mess, they really made some hyper mobile stacked healer with insta-rezz and then just deleted a really fun spec based around spamming poms and always being in apoth

devs have some hard-on for hpriest being terrible and way too lame

[smoky sail]

tbh the worst part is the spec is also extremely boring

[deft oar]

Id love that, then I won't hear my lifebloom weakaura screaming at me for it being on a crystal

[rustic copper]

It’s hard

Luckily I’m the greediest player in all of world of Warcraft

[tough portal]

Hahaha dude tell me about it

Not on crystals but in pvp my lifebloom often gets replaced by the pvp talent version

[grizzled seal]

Do you wipe the raid

[tough portal]

So I have LB on everybody, but it's untrackable on frames and the weakaura is blaring at mef or 15s

Unless I reapply it for no reason

[rustic copper]

I think I did about average as a crystal holder

I’m definitely a go to my memory game spot last and dodge glaives last second kind of player though

[deft oar]

Ik it's preference but just wondering, do you guys play with WC or tiger dash?

[grizzled seal]

I had one shit night with bad connection but other than that I think I didn't die to glaives too much

[deft oar]

Personally I love WC too much

[grizzled seal]

Never had a clean sheet though

[deft oar]

Blizzard needs to update time spiral to give a usage of wild charge tho

[rustic copper]

I’m pretty bad at glaives but I’m rly good at p2 and p3

After a few early p2 fuckups I dont think I died a single time

[tough portal]

WC by default, Tiger Dash occasionally depending on a specific mechanic situation

[rustic copper]

I also never died to constellation all of prog

[grizzled seal]

Ok but dying is not how you fuck up

Can you even die at all there

[rustic copper]

Ok kill the raid

[grizzled seal]

You can stack on someone and you won't die to that

I know because I've done it

[rustic copper]

[grizzled seal]

I died to one constellation cuz I'm legally blind

Not going into soaks before constellations spawn anymore

[rustic copper]

lol

[deft oar]

Did they die?

[grizzled seal]

Nah it was a DH, they are also immortal

[rustic copper]

Constellations is such a weird mech

[thorn plover]

They should have made them resemble actual constellations so they were more fun and predictable

[rustic copper]

Def the kind of mech where half your raid never dies to it ever and 2 people die every other pull

[thorn plover]

Every mech ever

[deft oar]

I had to do HC Lura like 7 times till I actually understood how to move for constellations

[gentle nova]

I dont even get why we are in outter space

[grizzled seal]

Without constellations memory game wouldn't have been a real mechanic

[gentle nova]

Whats the lore

[thorn plover]

Ran out of lore

Go to another planet

[rustic copper]

They could’ve done something else you had to dodge

Circles you can hardly see that blend into the soaks and connect is def unique

[grizzled seal]

I don't think it's a hard mechanic and it's not annoying so whatever

[gentle nova]

No more dodgin pls

[grizzled seal]

I didn't particularly like the grips on dimensius

[gentle nova]

Make healing checks

[deft oar]

I play top down with 90% of dodge mechanics, lura is not nice for that

[rustic copper]

Rly? I thought that dance was fun

[grizzled seal]

Just felt janky to me

Don't move here, struggle against it here

Idk

I really liked planets on nexus king

[rustic copper]

Yeah

[thorn whale]

maybe i should go do this

[deft oar]

I didn't do it intentionally to learn the mech, I just boosted it every week multiple times xd

[thorn plover]

We killed it once on first week, never been back

[rustic copper]

I pugged heroic Lura multiple times

That boss is not meant for heroic

[grizzled seal]

Why not

[rustic copper]

P2 is way too hard

[deft oar]

P2 genuinely feels like it's too hard for a HC phase (as silly as it sounds

[grizzled seal]

Oh right

[rustic copper]

Basically mandatory voice too

[grizzled seal]

Didn't even think of that

[deft oar]

Hitting the exact balls, not having the exact splits set up to guarantee people can stand still

[rustic copper]

Like the amount of pugs I’ve been in and completely saved by telling them their p2 setup doesn’t work

They’ll have like 6 ranged dps 5 of them assigned to a seed and they’ll tell the seed soakers to not soak ever

[fervent osprey]

hi, i didn't follow the talk with the nerf. Does this change the current raid build?

[rustic copper]

And I’m like yeah you’re insta dead

[grizzled seal]

Yeah I guess this phase is the easiest mythic phase and hardest heroic

Because you can assign the shit out of it and there is zero rng

[rustic copper]

They’ll do soaks by group and the melee in the tank soak get beam and don’t know wtf they’re doing

[grizzled seal]

Most likely not

You might swap out apex4 at most but I doubt it

[spark river]

I do hc lura every week

[fierce isle]

We are progging M paladins and never even pulled H Lura lol

[rustic copper]

Because h Lura is currently a harder boss

[deft oar]

In pugs sure

Definitely not in guild groups xd

[fickle garden]

Hello nerfed class how are you all doing today

Just want to wish u all the best

[vapid glacier]

[weak crypt]

suffering from success

[woven meadow]

servers up

[fervent osprey]

perf, thanks!

[rustic copper]

big vault day

[vapid glacier]

gl in vault gamers

[rustic copper]

got the ribbon

[still topaz]

we doom and glooming now?

are we as bad as we were before buff?

[versed fiber]

never

[rustic copper]

and alt gets shoulders

I'm bricked

[gentle nova]

Isnt everbloom close to what it was pre rework now

[rustic copper]

4/4 + photo I think would be a bit higher than before but before the rework 4/4 no apex was what I played and it was ok, now a large part of the power is in photo + 3/4

[gentle nova]

Yes im talking exclusively 4 points

Before you didnt play 5 pts to favor apex healing

So either 4/4 or 3/4 + phosy

[cosmic saffron]

should I open as resto or balance? :< looking for weapon and chim trinket mostly

[rustic copper]

I think you should open as guardian and use your tokens on nexus point for a weapon

[lethal lichen]

Guardian propaganda

[drifting timber]

yo which one quick take?

mythic final stare or mythic track helm? i have hero helm and hero final stare equippped.

[ebon igloo]

Hello, new to resto in m+. I've seen some discrepencies in the guides, mentionning that we should be catweaving whenever we can, however the recommended m+ talents advise to take Circle of the Heavens instead of Circle of the Wild, which means we should be doing damage in owl form?

What would be the optimise way to deal damage in this instance? Is this a mix of both, trying to apply DOTs followed by simply spamming wrath?
I don't really find any information regarding this besides "just go catweaving", which seems a bit missdirecting

[frosty canyon]

I heard at the end of the day it doesn't really matter which you do, just make sure people are alive

[tough portal]

What's the difference between 3rd and 4th Apex points for you? They add the same amount of healing

[frosty canyon]

there was a pinned message but just noticed it is gone

[fluid coral]

myth track necklace of the twisting void worth taking or should i just craft and take tokens?

[bright swift]

unless you are killing Crown/Lura mythic any time soon that's a good neck

[rustic copper]

The 4th point of apex can be dropped for 1 min convoke, the 3rd point of apex can be dropped for embrace the dream or some shit

[fluid coral]

sure but i feel like crafted neck is probably better right?

[bright swift]

yeah you're right

[olive terrace]

Is crafted the best option if you arent gonna do M Crown/Lura?

[bright swift]

yes

[mellow phoenix]

that's 3

[silver phoenix]

Same neck I got today, replaced a 253 neck....Had option of a Myth Weapon, but already have a 285 crafted weapon Hope I did the right thing