resto

[pulsar kettle]

real

went back to cat recently

10x the enjoyment

[tough portal]

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Funny alt tab moment

[hardy canopy]

i hope voulk asked for cat buffs

!

this needs a buff too ngl

is it too much to ask

[main timber]

Just buff cat spells, not that

[versed hemlock]

Honestly prefer caster... Still the same 🐕 💩 8-12k dps without the extra work of trying to maintain bleeds. When they buff cat to ~24k dps I'll go back to cat weaving.

[tough portal]

Dont you worry we will rise

[hardy canopy]

the current meta healers got buffed substantially so their passive dmg does the dmg of catweaving right

[graceful ermine]

I think I’d like to see bursting growth buffed

[hardy canopy]

i think acid rain is comparable to catweaving now

[tough portal]

Crossing all my toes and tying their little hairs for the Thrash 200% buff from Guardian to go on the base spell instead of their spec aura

[hardy canopy]

that would be amazing

[graceful ermine]

Oops got thrash and swipe confused

Just make thrash proc vines 🙂

[tough portal]

I really dont want more AOE tbh, like I'm memeing on the Thrash thing cuz I think it's unlikely but

All these ideas of giving catweaving more AOE tools for resto are just nonsense

And would inevitably nerf the shit out of our single target

If resto could apply Rake on targets 2x as fast and had AOE Rip, both those spells would get slapped with a 40% nerf with absolute swiftness

[graceful ermine]

Yeah honestly I just want to maintain the tww rotation. I just wish it did more than piss damage this expansion, really

[versed hemlock]

What are opinions on the next tuning round? Is it enough to actually balance our Apex or do we think it'll still take blizzard 1 more swing?

[graceful ermine]

Make vines damage number bigger and problem is solved

[rare yacht]

How much overall dps you Guys have? Im like 10-12k at M10 and feels rly wierd 😄

[tough portal]

20-25k with cat. Was around 50-60k in the 1 week I could stomach playing Starfire spam but alas thats gone now.

[fallen compass]

I just wish they could get the damage types more closely balance so people can use their favorite damage type.

[tough portal]

Exercise free will mate

[fallen compass]

Or I could do that AND Blizz could get the balance right.

[west topaz]

I feel weird about my rdudu when I played my undergeared disc priest alt and it did more dmg

[gentle nova]

Did it do more healing

[west topaz]

it did ok, was testing and felt comparable ig. I don't mind either

rdudu still better at mistake prone pugs though

[urban kestrel]

honestly I dont hate how disc feels in keys rn, slow to top people but you just get to press void shield and people are just immune for 5-10s

no idea how people are healing like +20 seat on that spec though

do you like tp out and go holy for last 2?

[west topaz]

i did hear people were doin that

i dont really go past 15-17 anyway

cause there's no point if all my friends have jobs/there's other games to play rather than uselessly pushing keys honestly

[night valley]

trying to learn rdruid here, few questions

1. when are you supposed to weave in damage?
2. when i have 7-10 stacks of abudance, what am i supposed to do during this window? heal more? dps?
3. when are you supposed to replenish rejuvs on everyone? when everyone loses their hot? or when abundance stack falls below a certain #?

sorry one more question, i seem to using alot of mana, i end every pack at like 60%, does that mean im overhealing?

[languid parrot]

given the upcoming nerf to resto Apex talents, is it still worth going Harmonious Blooming?

[fervent mica]

never was

[versed hemlock]

According to raider.io, they aren't

[glossy holly]

weaving dmg as resto is dependent on knowing what dmg stuff is going to come in 5-10secs and if u have topped ppl with hots at same time

then u may have time to dps

[hardy canopy]

disc timed 20 seat

[pulsar kettle]

a few have

[hardy canopy]

seat is not even hard you just have to be aware of the overlaps

[pulsar kettle]

not sure why you link a graph then say the opposite

[glossy holly]

im surprised there isnt more MW's

[cunning parcel]

How dense

[versed hemlock]

I didn't mean it is literally impossible to time as disc...

[pulsar kettle]

a cn disc even timed 21 mt

spec is prob fine just unpopular when rdruid is a next expansion spec

[hardy canopy]

all healer classes can be resil 20 or maybe 21 imo, it's about having a good group

[glossy holly]

what does resil mean

i keep seeing that term in streams

[hardy canopy]

time all the keys

at that level

[glossy holly]

oh

[fervent mica]

key no go down

[versed hemlock]

Brother... run what you want to run. But the reason disc is 1/60th of the representation of druid in >20 keys isn't because there are 60 times more druids.

[formal fjord]

^

[pulsar kettle]

yes because druid is incredibly overpowered in m+, this isnt rocket science

but disc is capable of timing almost every key that rdruid is also capable of

[fickle garden]

can you equip two crafted rings? The one i have says unique equipped but i swear you used to be able to have two

the generic crafted one that is

[tough portal]

Yeah last xpac it wasnt, now it is

[fickle garden]

rip

im gonna have a champ ring forever

[weary moss]

I haven’t had anything go longer than like 35 dungeons with out getting the item I wanted.

[onyx trail]

a champ ring bud ?

what are we DOING here flex

[pulsar kettle]

not flexin thats for sure

[west topaz]

i just have a dpriest because my path of exile lookin transmog was super

[fickle garden]

we are playing holy paladin and neglecting the druid 🙂

[onyx trail]

based live ur truth brother

[west topaz]

that was my only reason for making her other than professions help then i decided to play it in keys anyway

[fickle garden]

behold my pain and suffering

[fervent mica]

if you've been doing delves... you can buy hero pieces at the end if journey is 9+ just have to figure out which one has the haste/mast ring that day

[fickle garden]

what are delves

[fervent mica]

then enjoy your time in npx

[graceful ermine]

We love farming npx

[fickle garden]

npx aint too bad to farm

fast and chill

[graceful ermine]

No it’s legit the coziest dungeon

It reminds me of rookery. Kind of boring but very easy to just get through on a weekly

Not my favorite dungeon for a challenge, but my favorite for just getting some vault credit/spending rerolls

We love the hold w dungeons so our tanks can’t shoot themselves (and consequently everyone else) in the foot

[azure jungle]

I should know this considering I've played druid exclusively since BC but shifting into Bear Form for a magical attack won't reduce damage taken but will reduce overall health loss when I shift back into human form right?

[graceful ermine]

You will maintain the same percentage of hp whenever you shift out, which functionally reduces the damage taken

[azure jungle]

Perfect and am I crazy but is shifting out of form on the GCD now? Does /cancelform get past this? Feels a little sluggish compared to TWW

[fervent mica]

theres also a tiny dr from the bear vers

[fervent mica]

just cast a spell from form

[azure jungle]

Ah so I don't need a cancel form button anymore.

[graceful ermine]

Only if you use form bars poorly

There’s technically some small utility to a cancelform button, but I wouldn’t worry about it

[azure jungle]

I have all the same abilities on my form bars excluding maybe 4 which are used in form. So I can use my normal healing spells from any form

[graceful ermine]

Yeah then you’re good

[azure jungle]

Sweet

[graceful ermine]

Press rejuv/rg/wg to leave

I also macro in /cancelform [form: n] (n= bear form number which I can’t remember offhand) to convoke

You never want to bear convoke

[azure jungle]

Sweet that's a good idea

I don't feel like I've had a moment where I would ever want to use convoke in a form since hitting +12

[fervent mica]

you will

[graceful ermine]

Well if cat did damage you want to cat convoke

[fervent mica]

with practice

[graceful ermine]

But that doesn’t matter right now

[azure jungle]

I'm running moonkin. ATM.

Neither here now there I don't feel like my damage contribution really helps anyway

[graceful ermine]

Moonkin convoke is very bad

[fervent mica]

moonkin form ingeneral is

[graceful ermine]

It really only makes sense to do during movement and if you know you absolutely will not need to convoke in the next min

General advice is just don’t worry about ever convoking in moonkin

[fervent mica]

just not worth the gcd to enter or the point burnt in fluid form

[marsh prism]

gumo

[tardy cedar]

you can convoke in moonkin for a few seconds, hope for a starfall, and shift out of moonkin form "to convoke healing spells" for the rest of the duration 😄 (no clue if that even makes sense to do, sometimes low keys are boring :D)

[wanton basin]

as a disc player I both laugh and cry at this photo

[spark river]

Moonkin convoke

[pulsar kettle]

mag'har druids?

[hardy fern]

O ya youre right

Redact that

[fervent mica]

all of the racials end up pretty similar

[pulsar kettle]

racials hardly matter outside of shadowmeld doing shadowmeld things.

if u raid play the race you like the look of the best

if you m+, play ne.

[fervent mica]

you're picking for the active... either shadow meld or bull rush being the top two

[marsh prism]

haranir look mostly good

[polar lichen]

troll berserking puts the goofy little berserking/enrage face in front of your face for a second, i love it

[marsh prism]

meld is pretty unbeatable

[formal fjord]

apologies if this has already been asked and if there is a link or whatever please let me know, but can we foresee any major changes to our builds with the "class tuning" coming in a few days please?

ive had a read of the pinned post but unsure of the impact

[graceful ermine]

I’m so mad they didn’t bring back the meld pot

[outer stone]

need some help in a situational instance, if i build up my abundance during a raid fight but say the other healers are keeping everyone at full hp, is it worth spamming out regrowths despite how cheap they cost to preserve mana?

[formal fjord]

yes

[formal fjord]

il direct reply so its easier for you to read, but yes essentially, the hot is still important.

[fervent mica]

the build we've been playing is likely still in front but there has been some theorycrafting about going back to no apex if you prefer it

[formal fjord]

cheers mate, yeah i suspected that to be the case, ill have to look into no apex and see how it feels. Appreciate the confirmation and context!

looking forward to the numbers being run

I wonder if Voulk actually gets time outside of writing guides and updating them outside of these silly changes haha

[gentle nova]

Meld is also useful everywhere

[formal fjord]

Also healy friends, im keen to message someone privately about the server rules here, who would be the best person please?

[gentle nova]

Even in raid it has saved me from getting insta slapped by 300 spawning adds

[fickle garden]

i still got it fam

[fervent mica]

why so low? ;D

[fickle garden]

holy paladin brain cant help it

[calm dirge]

I fail to see what your question is. Are you looking for the rules or?
https://discord.com/channels/114145367322394624/677511928007884800

[ivory musk]

hey guys, leveling my druid from way back.

I remember this weak aura that growl made where the lifebloom, abilities and stuff followed the mouse

[cursive pilot]

surely the next one

[ivory musk]

is there something similiar now that replaced that?

[next sage]

can i dm someone about logs?

cause i don't see what i am doing wrong....

[versed hemlock]

Do you mean like an aura bar attached to your pointer that keeps track of LB uptime or like keybinding LB to cast at mouseover targets?

[topaz pumice]

How do you guys think about / deal with the hallway in MT, right before Seranei Sunlash?

I'm starting my 17 journey and the dots are just getting otu of hand

[versed hemlock]

The usual problem is your tank needs to slow the fuck down. The standard pull pattern isn't survivable in that hallway in high keys.

[fervent mica]

nothing special you need to do at that point, just heal /-:

[next sage]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pjr3kZVqnvWPaTCA?fight=last&playermetric=hps&type=healing&source=11 help plz? if anyone has a moment at some point

[fervent mica]

the last 17 i did in there they just pulled the whole hallway, it was fun

[topaz pumice]

Perhaps your group is much more coordinated than a pug

[stiff ruin]

Guys i'm having a serious issue with these dungeons... any mobs that "leap" onto targets keep overlapping any other instant damage event or something and keeps 1 shotting me. I can'' seem to avoid the RNG and keeps killing players. the leaps + another...how do i mitiage this? (leaper ghuls in pit, ravegers in algethar)

[topaz pumice]

but if ppl get unlucky enough to have both dots on them, they are taking 50% of their hp in damage ever 1 second

not to mention the rest of the group damage going out

Do you try to cc chain the casts at all?

[fervent mica]

they're guys who put the glaives dot out aren't ccable

[fervent mica]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes

[marsh hemlock]

IIRC they don't leap if you're in melee range

[stiff ruin]

REALLY?

omg

[topaz pumice]

yeah idk, feels like that hallway is the most dangerous pull in any M+ in current season. Maybe I pull up some twitch vods to see the button priority

[fervent mica]

we're keeping lb on us with current build. and always keeping up rej/rej/lb and swiftmending that target on cd to extend it for a ton of extra apex healing

[marsh hemlock]

The ravager goes to furthest target

[stiff ruin]

we're talkng about the mini ravagers right?

[limpid jacinth]

If someone gets both types of DoTs, they have to pop a defensive or die.

[stiff ruin]

"Arcange Forager"

[marsh hemlock]

Oh the foragers I'm not sure

[fervent mica]

spell breakers

[topaz pumice]

Truly I am feeling that

Do you guys usually put LB on a squishy DPS or yourself in that area / other dangerous areas?

[fervent mica]

i was in coms... and 2 of the dps were dwarf so when i didn't have dispell for the magic dot i called it

[desert kayak]

the foragers just jump random targets and they can / will kill ppl. vortex is bis for those tho. you can also bait the big ravager and meld its jump so it stays in melee and dies faster.

[vocal hinge]

druid on lura p3: right side/left side/doesn't matter?

[desert kayak]

spell breakers you just have to really aggressively brute force heal

can also meld that if it's casting on you

dk can ams it etc

[topaz pumice]

yeah the last pull is not a problem w/ teh 2 spell breakers, it's the first pull where everyone always doubles the 2 priests w/ the spell breaker + blinking aoe add

probably need to send a tranq there early

[versed hemlock]

Situational. By default it goes on the squishiest thing that is likely to put your Efflorescense in a good spot. Which more often than not is you.

[desert kayak]

ye idk in high keys ppl generally just cc one of the priests so you don't get double debuff

[topaz pumice]

oh really?

intersting

[next sage]

ok but i am doing all that and healers with the same ilvl as me are doing 10k more hps per spell? not sure why that is

[topaz pumice]

Thanks, I'm always torn on who to put it on

[desert kayak]

but you can make a macro to mark something skull and social engineer your dps into killing what you want them to kill too

[next sage]

onlyt difference was lb target

[fervent mica]

you aren't though...

we have ~24% increased healing taken

[topaz pumice]

That is a fantastic idea

[next sage]

o so having lb on myself rathre than another target is really important? thank you for letting me know that

[cursive pilot]

cursed ass week

atleast next week i get 2 289 pieces i need guaranteed

[inland sandal]

how does everyone feel about the 3% nerf we are getting this week?

[formal fjord]

no im wanting to ask about the rules on something to someone that manages the server or the channel or whatever, the rules dont really cover what im looking for

[versed hemlock]

It is critical that it remains on the same target and doesn't fall off. As LB also typically places your Efflo, it's beneficial to keep it on yourself so that you can place Efflo properly.

The vital thing is you want all your HoTs rolling on your LB target at all times even if they aren't taking damage and that you are using swiftmend on cd to maximize healing from our Apex talent.

[next sage]

ok i could use a little work on keeping sm on cd. I will work on that ty

[terse sparrow]

any thoughts on if talents will change much after the small nerf to resto?

[cursive pilot]

all the rules in #rules are generalized to fit any issue

[versed hemlock]

For dungeons, nothing will change. Not sure how the current Wildstalker raid build will stack up against Keeper, but imho they'll probably be close.

[fervent mica]

current talents look to still be on top, but no apex may be viable in raid after changes... if only a bit worse

[terse sparrow]

i feel wildstalker will still be the goto choice IMO

[soft dagger]

Its wild that people demand shaman even on lower level key like 16-17 wtf

[formal fjord]

Are you an admin? Im strugging here and just want help from an admin, is that not possible presently?

[formal fjord]

thankyou

[thin magnet]

any thoughts on what i should bonus roll for next? was going to craft a haste mastery of haste verse neck

[urban bone]

prob nexus and get the chest and catalyze your head

[marsh prism]

pawkets isnt going to reply, if you need an admin it will be a @molten swan thing

theyre the only relevant admin. a chosen mod would also be fine

[unique sedge]

anyone knows what addon is this? its from kirabrew. Shows incoming stuff from trash mobs

[marsh prism]

targeted spells addon

[urban bone]

It’s also built into danders frames if you use those

[vivid peak]

only for spells targeted to you

[unique sedge]

Also this, timers for the trash mechanics underneath

its showing everything thats happening

[marsh prism]

bigwigs

slash ask in their chat or comment section to confirm

[unique sedge]

there are comments asking for it with no replies, thought somebody would know

[urban bone]

Nope it has a list also

Targeted spell list and player targeted spells both sections in danders options

[vivid peak]

oh that's neat

[stiff ruin]

Is there a way to have the targetted spells cast to be on whoever its' targetting too? (like on the frame itself?)

[marsh prism]

littlewigs* is what does dungeon stuff, and handles notable trash casts

[unique sedge]

oh i thought they got rid of that

[marsh prism]

not any more

[stiff ruin]

aw okay

[marsh prism]

it was functioning in midnight but was broken during some update idr which

[formal fjord]

Thankyou for the assist!

[marsh prism]

no problem

anytime

[unique sedge]

apparently not anymore ? i downloaded it and there's no trash section for dungeons

[marsh prism]

not on my desktop atm someone will have to hit me up with the assist

big assessment due in 4hrs z.z

[versed hemlock]

Just wait until MDI for another round of, "RWF had WA all along! Surprise! :D"

[unique sedge]

what about the cds on the nameplates? I thought that was also removed

[urban bone]

Are you watching an up to date video

[unique sedge]

18h ago

its kirabrew's maisara 22

[urban bone]

Could be a m33kaura thing but idk 🤷

[stiff ruin]

I heard they brought back party CD tracker

[fluid trout]

There is a chinese addon who does that no ?

[versed hemlock]

There is an ongoing war between Blizzards API team trying to disable WeakAura clones and addon developers finding new ways to clone WeakAuras. Some stuff works. Some doesn't. Every time the Addon devs figure out a way to do something, blizz patches it two weeks later.

[subtle cobalt]

Targeted spells and mythic dungeon casts will both give you bars for trash casts. Exwind tools might too but I haven't used it. I also believe it may be what is doing the nameplate CD

[formal fjord]

happy to help, wadda ya need?

[stiff ruin]

What is mythic dungeon casts

[vivid peak]

exboss addon

[stiff ruin]

and do i need both?

[marsh prism]

nah just the current convo :3

[subtle cobalt]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/dungeoncasts
Targeted spells addon does the exact same thing now.

it shows targets of trash casts

[formal fjord]

cool cool

[marsh prism]

but ty

[formal fjord]

npnp all the best for your assessment!

[unique sedge]

isnt that the chinese addon that uses a lot of cpu

[marsh prism]

they got my ass using indesign

[formal fjord]

oh jebus, i did graphic design a long time ago - took ages to learn that. GL

[vivid peak]

no clue but that's what does that

[subtle cobalt]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/search?page=1&pageSize=20&sortBy=relevancy&search=exwind

all those. no idea what its performance is like, I installed it once and then decided I cbf with all the settings and modules and uninstalled. I haven't looked at it recently

[formal fjord]

So this is what im seeing on Danders Frames atm

if you are just wanting personal targeted spells display you can

however the fucntion for other things has been largely stomped on

[vivid peak]

there's still the list for spells

[subtle cobalt]

Yes -- up the chat. targeted spells or mythic dungeon casts. I can't remember which one I kept enabled as they are both functionally the same now, but it was still working for me last night AFAIK

just can't do ON FRAME icons now

[slender gust]

I tried out some more regrowth-focused gameplay yesterday in a pug raid. I do get the appeal. It feels a lot harder to execute though because it’s more reliant on having the ability to plant and turret more frequently, and I was getting similar results, so I’m not convinced the juice is worth the squeeze?

[urban bone]

Danders does the exact same thing as targeted spells does. Just look at the settings

[unique sedge]

regrowth is the gameplay. You use rejuvs for abundance, then regrowths for free casts

in longer fights, its gonna save u a lot of mana

[thin magnet]

head is crafted haste mastery since i couldnt get one to drop for so long

[slender gust]

That’s not entirely what I was talking about though. A few people in here, Niko being one of them, have been tinkering with a relatively low-rejuv playstyle as opposed to the 50/50 split or slightly favoring Rejuvenation, and instead leaning HEAVILY into Regrowth spam, since it’s cheaper than Rejuv at a fairly low amount of Abundance stacks.

[unique sedge]

Ah i see, i dont get the appeal either

[urban bone]

You could sim it but I imagine getting a helm to catalyze and a bis chest would be a good upgrade. Tier chest stats are not what we want with the crit

[slender gust]

I definitely see why it’s good. It just feels punishing to try and play that way on heavy movement fights. Like I don’t know how you would ever do that on Crown for example

It’s relatively mana efficient that you don’t miss having MS, and both the fights I tried it on, mana pool and boss health pool worked out perfectly even

[silent sentinel]

Druid chest blows.

half the set blows >.>

[fickle garden]

I also blow

[marsh prism]

FYI @gentle nova

[fickle garden]

the way you instantly pinged as if you were waiting

[marsh prism]

i just so happened to tab in

i am like

[fickle garden]

[marsh prism]

giga procrastinating

yeah i have a resto druid question why the fuck am i getting an art degree

anyway back to it

[fickle garden]

how much is resto druid nerfed next week

in total

[marsh prism]

6

7

[fickle garden]

[marsh prism]

un fucking ironically

[sturdy swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-based-gif-1685640692883939736

[slender gust]

That’s not enough to knock us out of S-tier I don’t think, yeah?

[fickle garden]

not even close to enough

5 more weeks of weekly 15% spender buffs to holy paladin might do it tho

[sturdy swallow]

or holy priest seems everyweek aura buff for them

[pulsar kettle]

15% of zero is still zero

unforch

paying for the sins of aura mastery

[fickle garden]

15% more overhealing cause disc/mw/pres/rdruid already healed the raid

[pulsar kettle]

one day raid healing will mean something

[versed hemlock]

If they wanted to be viable, they should have shut down their discord channel

[formal fjord]

Fine arts?

[formal fjord]

rofl

[formal fjord]

Sorry do you mean tinkering with a low regrowth playstyle? the juice is not worth the squeeze imo unless youre hyper into theory crafting and nowhere near new to the spec.

[slender gust]

No, a high amount of regrowth spam, not a low amount

[marsh prism]

naw, design

[formal fjord]

i mean, garden layout is legit for a druid, so maybe that rofl. go study rofl

[formal fjord]

What exactly are you trying to clear up? We rejuv to 12 - regrowth to 4 and then rinse and repeat.

[slender gust]

I’m not trying to clear anything up. I was putting my thoughts out into the universe after testing the different playstyle that some of the good players in here have been tinkering with that is not the standard “always ramp abundance to 12” operation.

[formal fjord]

what is the playstyle that is not ramp to 12? ramp to 8 and spot heal or something?

appreciate your thoughts thankyou

wanting to undersatnd

I slam so many things based on raid and damage, and im hitting 99 on Heroic now, purple on first two Mythic. Using the traditional rotation and spot healing when req

[slender gust]

The short version of it was maintain Rejuv on yourself always, spend PotA on Rejuv, mostly use Regrowth otherwise. Rejuv is mostly just for PotA and a movement global. In theory it’s more mana efficient so you can take Liveliness over MS, and according to Niko, pandemic Regrowth is very strong.

[proven phoenix]

I think trying to play in absolutes like "keep rejuv on yourself always" is useles

what does that do

I think liveliness is a useless talent

[formal fjord]

Yeah those absolutes i dont play with

[proven phoenix]

if you're dropping ms then take embrace or something else good

not liveliness

[formal fjord]

Pandemic regrowth is strong, but its just about knowing your class. I still use the traditional rotation with all of that

its not like we are changing anything up entriely

[slender gust]

I’m assuming it’s just reliable Abundance for minimal globals with VI. But I don’t pretend to know the whys of it. Some people were talking about it, I think Mattiu was in on the conversation as well, and I was curious enough to try it out

[formal fjord]

its just normal playstyle tho

[proven phoenix]

yes its good to always refresh two rejuvs with lb

but lb is not always on yourself

[formal fjord]

^

[main timber]

Most people drastically undercast Regrowth in general

[formal fjord]

yeah, its healing should be above rejuv in most situations

[main timber]

You are supposed to be mashing it hard with standard playstyle

[formal fjord]

What youre talking about sounds like the normal playstyle tbh, not some fancy new tech

[slender gust]

Niko message in chat for context

[formal fjord]

yes but

thats normal

[main timber]

Everything in that message is standard advice

Which part do you think is new

Niko does some unique optimizations, but none of them are in that message

[slender gust]

But in executing this, he had significantly more regrowth casts than Rejuv casts because he wasn’t focused on ramping up to 12 very much, which is atypical. I’d have to dig around for the screenshot he posted or that I found on WCL. That’s what I asked him about and decided to test, because usually I find “Things Niko does even if they’re weird,” tend to give me results

[main timber]

Sure I am not saying do not listen to them. They are very good resources. I am just suggesting maybe you were already a year or so out of date

[slender gust]

It was like 2:1 in favor of Regrowth, which is extremely atypical

[formal fjord]

most of us have significantly more regrowth casts than rejuvenation casts

[main timber]

You might have been chronically undercasting regrowth, just that was never our advice to you

[formal fjord]

This is my 99 H log the other day:

[main timber]

Half of the common mistakes article is about casting regrowth more

[formal fjord]

its very normal

[marsh prism]

is it?

sounds like you were doing it wrong before

[slender gust]

Most logs I’ve looked at have the regrowth:Rejuv ratio at roughly 1:1 , which is what I’ve always heard people say is the goal to aim for. Like looking at Torty logs, that’s what I see

[formal fjord]

no

its just what Voulk said basically

even i fuck it up

like those logs above arent perfect, but im aiming for , rejuv, then regrowth to hell when i need to or high abundance

[main timber]

It isn't the first tier for this either though the new PotA makes rejuv upkeep much simpler

[slender gust]

Example Torty cast breakdown for context for what I’ve seen in a lot of high parsing logs

Close to 1:1, slight lean to Rejuv

[main timber]

I am sure you will find a variety 100%

[gentle nova]

Niko is also high rejuv high rhe

Thats his lura

[versed hemlock]

Ratio only really matters if you're going oom. If you're running out of mana, you need to rejuv less and regrowth more.

[gentle nova]

This is my cosmos

[formal fjord]

yep

[main timber]

Rejuv CPM in logs is bugged too obviously so in reality you will cast more regrowth than rejuv in those logs

[gentle nova]

Nah cause we sotf rg also

So cpm is useless

[slender gust]

Oh is it bugged?

[gentle nova]

Its bugged both ways

[main timber]

Yeah it is a mess

[slender gust]

Are PotA casts not counted properly or something?

[gentle nova]

Sotf rejuv counts as 3, germ counts as 2, sotf rg is 3

But its good as a guideline

[tough portal]

When did pota start counting extra casts

[slender gust]

The fuck? Small indie company

[tough portal]

Yall just make shit up man

[tough portal]

Never believe mattiu

[gentle nova]

Pretty sure it does

[main timber]

Germ for sure was bugged

[wary belfry]

me when im in a making stuff up competition and mattiu is my opponent

[marsh prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/642228160074612737.gif?v=1

wrong emote but w/e

[versed hemlock]

Def seemed like it sometimes, but wasn't sure if I just wasn't seeing the 3rd refresh on Germi. I Dont think it's super consistent, but I've noticed times where it seems like SotF Germi is only applying twice.

[fair lava]

is there a range on the everbloom rank 3 splashing from SotF?

[tame talon]

Its just the same 40yd right?

[narrow monolith]

Can you read

[tame talon]

sotf just triggers the same burst

[silent sentinel]

i jjust read omg 3% compolete heal nerf? LAmeeeeeee

[fair lava]

Bro woke up PISSED.

if you aren't going to be semi-constructive with a response why bother? If you are miserable dont' take it out on me. Everbloom doesn't have range on the tooltip, I had a feeling it's the same as lifebloom heal but was looking for confirmation.

[plain steeple]

Getting triggered by Kim Jong Un himself. Nice

[fair lava]

I am not triggered I don't know this guy nor care, but usually you'd want your discord to feel somewhat inclusive I imagine that dude is not it.

[urban bone]

First time in a class discord?

[silent sentinel]

eh everbloom sucks. the whole apex is trash so i dont care about that. but the whole resto nerf is terrible

[urban bone]

So true

Generational thinking

[versed hemlock]

It's 40 yards

[proven phoenix]

why do we hate everbloom

its just aoe healing from lifebloom....

[versed hemlock]

Pretty sure it's just that person... but, eb is just kinda boring. Doesn't feel great to some people when you just heal yourself and let eb play your class for you.

[silent sentinel]

lifebloom build kinda sucks lol

not kinda... it really sucks

[proven phoenix]

its not really a "build" though

its just keeping lifebloom on someone

[silent sentinel]

everything is a build...

if youre doing it right

[lament river]

Its not a build

[proven phoenix]

ok but its more of a rejuv or regrowth build then considering how many talents in the tree affect those

[lament river]

It just rrquires you to have it up

[proven phoenix]

vs those that affect lb

[lament river]

I dont really understand the context why it should “sucks”

[silent sentinel]

i just know in every end game raid im in and theres a druid with apex talents, they are gonna be last in healing every fight lol. making resto look bad

[tough portal]

Thats just a problem with the content

[grand herald]

what does that have to do with anything

[tough portal]

I'm #1 healing in legacy raids with my apex lifebloom build

[silent sentinel]

everything

[tough portal]

Everytime

[lament river]

I dont really see the Logic in this

[proven phoenix]

guess the build

[lament river]

You meet some people and cause there last on a meter you conclude they suck? Seems abit dikotom

[silent sentinel]

yeah not go look at the people with the orange parses lol

and the 100s. NONE of them have it

[tough portal]

Parses are per spec

About 5% of all resto druid parses are orange

[versed hemlock]

...you trollin?

[tough portal]

And 5% of all mistweaver parses are orange also

[proven phoenix]

I think every single person raiding seriously as a druid right now is using apex

its just strong

[silent sentinel]

ooofff must be on a weak server group over there

[urban bone]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[lament river]

Your arguments is troll dude

[topaz nest]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-penguins-of-madagascar-skipper-bait-clickbait-gif-7373851025472833661

[vivid peak]

https://tenor.com/view/doesn't-get-it-gif-11969878697861392921

[wary belfry]

Me when I dont hear what someone says the third time they say it so I pretend I got it

[proven phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-gif-3403616098614705012

[versed hemlock]

Mods are asleep. Post starfire glitch builds and call them meta.

[topaz nest]

Bring back abundance rg cast time reduction, lux soil and moving tranq

Also Carthage must be destroyed

[plain steeple]

Do you think that you would feel or see a difference between one run/bosskill or the other, just from that 3%?

[silent sentinel]

Dunno. ablanket nerf though just sounds mean :9

[versed hemlock]

My precious 50% overhealing T.T

[plain steeple]

What is mean about it?

I can be mean for these kind of statements.
The nerf is fair and expected. A 90% global nerf would be mean.

[plain steeple]

Sorry to tell you, but it’s 49% overheal now.

[versed hemlock]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[haughty ibex]

is legit deserved?

rdruid is broken 3% nerf + apex won’t make it shit

[thorn whale]

we might even get a 6% compensation buff next week who knows

[inner sonnet]

bets on buffs in 2 weeks time

[versed hemlock]

It's about a 6% nerf overall. That should put us on average within a couple percent of all the other healers in raid and bring our ridiculous 95th percentile down to something somewhat reasonable in comparison.

In dungeons, it may make the healer distribution a little less lopsided, but doubtful we fall below ~40% in high keys.

We're currently sitting at ~60% of all healers in timed >20 keys.

[flint estuary]

eyo do we use starfire and sunfire in aoe pulls for m+ now?

[plain steeple]

Sunfire only while moving.

It’s less dps than starfire if you can hardcast.

[cursive pilot]

At this rate they might buff starfire again for no reason

[versed hemlock]

Consensus among the hardcore dungeon runners is cat weaving is still preferred. But, caster is comparable dps.

[flint estuary]

okay but starfire is more dmg than rake spread didnt play in some time

[cursive pilot]

Cast ads cat boss feels nice

[urban bone]

People just prefer playing cat because it’s slightly more engaging than spamming one spell

[fervent mica]

its much better single target... which is the only thing that matters

pad lul

[urban bone]

How much better? I thought they were similar

[versed hemlock]

Issue with starfire is its dps where you really don't need it... You hit 45k in the lust pull at start, but the 3dps and the tank are pulling ~1.5m. You aren't really helping. Just wasting 2s hard casting in a very high risk situation.

[urban bone]

Are we ever really helping by that logic

[versed hemlock]

Feels great, but that is likely why the 3.8k club are still running cat weave.

[urban bone]

What kind of dps are they doing st at 3.8k (serious question)

[versed hemlock]

From the logs I've looked at, same as low keys. About 12k dps overall.

[rocky lodge]

so if i’m doing btwn 9-11k dps in dungeons im doing ok?

[urban bone]

If no one is dying in the dungeon you’re doing ok imo

[inner sonnet]

I dont think people like him around here but he plays extremely aggressive

https://youtu.be/QAyP0Ln98wI

[restive jasper]

why ppl dont like him ?

[inner sonnet]

certain people have less than positive things about gearing and just general play of druids, is what I've gathered anyway but yeah

hes playing starfire in that clip

[thorn whale]

No one dislikes him - He is very good at the game, but he just has some weird takes about stats sometimes

[versed hemlock]

Tbh, I honestly don't disagree that caster seems the better choice atm... cat is just too many gcds for not nearly enough reward atm. But, the druids better than me still seem to lean heavily towards cat.

[thorn whale]

It's legit the opposite of what you're saying

[urban bone]

What’s the difference (I mean literally in st dps)

[thorn whale]

10x the globals as starfire

That's the difference

[inner sonnet]

1 gcd over 10 secs vs 1 gcd every cast

also I love cats

[urban bone]

You don’t starfire in at tho right? I’m just curious what the real world dps different is in ST

like how big the gap is

[versed hemlock]

???

Are you literally only popping cat to blow HotW? Tf you doin as cat with 1 gcd?

[urban bone]

You are still supposed to cat hotw as caster as far as I know

[soft dagger]

Vickman gameplay is one of the most fun to watch. Only his interaction with chat when streaming is not as engaging as some other streamers thats why his channel viewers basically hasnt grown. Also his style is not for mass to copy since most cant just copy vickman

[urban bone]

But I guess I’m talking about the 3.8kers who play exclusively cat

[inner sonnet]

yes, yes I do only that

obviously referring to the 'cost' of the gcd meaning raking 2-3 targets and then shredding vs starfire casting every gcd seems more worth to me

it buys me time

[flint estuary]

eyo small question isnt aoe dmg in m+ more importat than singletarget? So wouldnt i go cirlcle of heavens rather than circle of wild?

[proven phoenix]

no

very frequently there is one prio target

[thorn whale]

If you go into higher keys you'll experience that there is 1 mob that you want to kill fast or you die

[proven phoenix]

especially as a healer doing 70k dps when your dps players are doing 700k dps doesnt matter much

[flint estuary]

kk

[proven phoenix]

but doing 30k dps when your dps are doing 100k matters more

[unkempt frost]

hey guys, Does the Regrowth HoTs contribute to Nature's Bounty, or is it only the direct heal?

[plain steeple]

Only direct heal.

[unkempt frost]

ok ty man

[radiant narwhal]

does anyone have some advice for beginning L'ura prog>?

[proven phoenix]

watch glaives

dont die

overheal the shit out of crystals until you are comfortable with the phase

[formal fjord]

what are you struggling with in particular?

[radiant narwhal]

we start tonight

havent pulled it yet

just wondering if there was any advice

[formal fjord]

H or Mythic?

[proven phoenix]

there's not really any advice that isnt just dont die

[radiant narwhal]

whats the best healing

[proven phoenix]

for crystals?

[radiant narwhal]

yur

swiftmend > ns > regrowth?

[proven phoenix]

the highest hps you can do to them is lb one, regrowth all 3, wild growth (ideally all 3 but not usually in range for that), swiftmend ns regrowth and just spam regrowth 1

you can also just use a reck pot on crystal set 1

[radiant narwhal]

ty

reck over light?

[proven phoenix]

yeah I like reck pots way more

[formal fjord]

the QE recommendation is reck

[proven phoenix]

mythic

[formal fjord]

cool

[proven phoenix]

I think most people discussing lura seriously at this point will probably be talking about mythic tbh

also can play heartwood

drop treants and improved swiftmend, take ironbark cdr and regenerative heartwood for more crystal healing

treants are kind of stinky

[radiant narwhal]

I havent played a single other boss as rdruid sp

thisll be fun

[proven phoenix]

no it will be terrible

lura is not really the fight to be getting comfortable on a new spec with

[radiant narwhal]

huuuuuuge

[formal fjord]

I mean maybe, i just got H Lura last night and our main raid team who is progging more Mythic than us hasnt got it down yet

also @ask Lura is massive, would not recommend learning on it

[proven phoenix]

no I understand, I just figured that this is also the time where a lot of guilds in the wr 150-300ish range are getting to lura

so most questions like that I just assume mythic

[formal fjord]

Its fair to assume to be honest

Im an accuracy nut

[proven phoenix]

doesnt hurt to make sure I suppose

yeah I understand

[radiant narwhal]

phased knows me as a high tier gamer.

[proven phoenix]

I know u as the serial single digit parser

[radiant narwhal]

WHAT

thats toxic

[proven phoenix]

respectfully of course

[radiant narwhal]

I have a couple of greens

[proven phoenix]

oh my bad

wasn't familiar with your game

[proven phoenix]

good job

[fleet jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/ayakta-kedi-dans-hand-music-gif-248834407502021295

[formal fjord]

learning the pattern of Lura was helpful for me in Heroic -> memory game -> glaives -> run etc

and getting prepared for each phase way ahead of time with cooldowns

glaives, if i get clipped do i have a defensive up already, do i have lifebloom rolling on me etc

memory game, how is my raid group doing that?

etc

[fleet jewel]

u can just eat all the wandering blades

[formal fjord]

tasty sawblades

[proven phoenix]

nom nom

[solid hemlock]

more sawblades means more hps

https://klipy.com/gifs/smart-thinking-5--k01KQPGNPKNPFWE0V5YYRCCY1CC

[formal fjord]

lol

[thorn whale]

pulls per second maybe

[fervent mica]

they really can't call them sawblades...

no one saw them coming /-:

[solid hemlock]

well, i didn't say you'd also have cheap repair bills 😄

[hasty flume]

I don't get it

[marsh prism]

past tense of see.

[fervent mica]

maybe when you're older

[marsh prism]

bro wqe raid in 30min and the game is actually unplayably laggy

[fervent mica]

oh no

[plain steeple]

We should now ask you about your talent tree.
And question it respectfully.

[fervent mica]

at least they're consistent. parse may only contain the numbers 4 and 2

[plain steeple]

So maybe their build is the answer to anything.

[formal fjord]

^

[winged bough]

Is this nerf very bad?

[fervent mica]

pins

[marsh prism]

he cant read. be nice

[formal fjord]

what are you concerned about in particular? -> the general consensus has been that it wont do anything taht bad considering how OP we are.

and our rotation will stay the same

[radiant narwhal]

What has happened to servers

It’s crazy

[radiant narwhal]

Ah this meme was from LoU when I parsed a 99 with a self made tree and got meme’d

[marsh prism]

no clue but we are gonna start and just see if instance servers are actually ok

bird could maybe possibly die

[formal fjord]

GL!

[marsh prism]

thanks, ill stream once we get through one stable pull

[formal fjord]

yeah nws, almost 10pm here so will catch all in the morning

[radiant narwhal]

GL! Hopefully ours dies quick also hahaha

[plain steeple]

If he cannot read, would it even matter if I’m nice or not?
Anyways, criticism is the nicest thing possible. It helps you to improve.

[spark river]

What does our rotation have anything to do with nerfs

[marsh prism]

if the value of any spells significantly changes it could possibly change some order of operations, for example

[hardy junco]

do we roll nexus in resto?

nvm stupid question we want the 2h lol

but after 2h roll as feral to avoid getting the trinket i g?

[fervent mica]

you roll in balance

it skips the trinket

[hard loom]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/barthilas/pepehealz

How am I pushing these to 99's team, is that just simply trolling 3 heals instead of 4 at that stage

[minor jetty]

What procs an instant regrowth?

[proven phoenix]

pressing wrath or starfire 5 times playing kotg

[spark river]

2 2 16 and go get them

[hard loom]

🤣🤣🤣 fek

Okay hahahah

[fervent mica]

heroic is great for memeing.

[spark river]

I got a 98 only on lura hc

[fervent mica]

they always want to overheal it... i should go pug it for free numbies

[spark river]

I did it 2 2 16

Barely missed out

[fervent mica]

that 75 is a 5 heal...

2/5/20 lmao. nothing to heal

[hard loom]

🤣

[cosmic current]

any consensus on the go to frames and does any targeted spells on frames work? (m+)
last I checked cell wasn't ready yet

[marsh prism]

nothing works on the frames

just lists on the side

you'll probably want to look at grid2 or danders

[waxen ingot]

Make your own group

and inv 1 more healer thats is dogshit

[cosmic current]

damn really missing that, thanks will look at both

[waxen ingot]

I do this with friends and farm top 10/#1 on bosses alot LMAO

• when healers dm me mad for not getting invited in a 2/2/26 group its funny

[wise galleon]

When does vault give me 6 tokens of merit? What is the condition?

As in, how many slots do I need to fill?

[fervent mica]

3

[grizzled seal]

2 tokens per slot

Max 6

[wise galleon]

ty

[cerulean stratus]

torty can u explain abit how the realms in p1 of lura work

i heard there are 3

but in the vod i looked at, i only saw upstairs and blue

[bright swift]

you have upstairs, blue and red

10 people, including all crysal carriers and both tanks stay upstairs

1 healer and 4 dps in blue
1 healer and 4 dps in red

the healers are the consistent ones going down every time, so they press the buttons for the blue and red phases

a tank presses for the the upstairs

[cerulean stratus]

do you have to press it twice if ur in red

[bright swift]

yes

1: upstairs

2: red

3: blue

4: upstairs

5: red

[cerulean stratus]

oh yea i saw it in a liquid vod now, the room turns red when ur in red realm lol

the ID druid only got upstairs and blue

[grizzled seal]

Raid leader should press buttons up top

NS is configured so that raid leader macros will always go into 1 and 4 slots

No other player has that guaranteed

[sudden rover]

has it always been like this to leave after first boss while raid is for first 2? It's crazy the amount of people not giving a shit about fucking entire raid's ID for the week

I'm so tilted omfg

[bright swift]

yeah that is cringe if people do that

[sudden rover]

well my 3 chars are fucked, no vorasius for the week

[marsh prism]

guild a possibility?

[sudden rover]

all 3 people left after averzian

[sudden rover]

yeah at some point I'm gonna join one, pugging is making me so mad

[marsh prism]

are you oce

[sudden rover]

nah I'm europe player

[marsh prism]

ah ok

[bright swift]

but the group was listed as first 2?

[sudden rover]

yep

but the fucking DKs and rogues only come for the trinket first boss

and they don't give a shit

I mean it's partly on blizz's fault to create this shit system

[harsh quail]

I dont think that pugging mythic is on blizz

[bright swift]

I really don't see any reason for lockouts to still exist for mythic

[sudden rover]

I don't even understand why such a thing exists

[waxen ingot]

i think first 2 is

chim + 1st boss

[sudden rover]

those are different raids

[waxen ingot]

doesnt matter

when people say first 4

they mean 3 + 1

[sudden rover]

but yeah I understand what you mean, the meta for vault is chim + 1st. Still why would you join a raid that specifically calls for vorasius too

[sweet spoke]

I got a question if anyone wants to educate me a little, looking at my Raid logs I notice I cast Rejuv a lot more and Regrowth a lot less than many better performers. So what is the "rule" for Rejuv, should I just be aiming for a certain number to max out Abundance stacks then switch to casting Regrowth? What is the logic or "best practice" we should be following when deciding if Rejuv or Regrowth is the best cast.

[sudden rover]

1:1 regrowth rejuv

[marsh prism]

nah way more regrowth

check common mistakes link uhh sorry in raid sec

[fervent mica]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes

[sudden rover]

that website is a blessing for us, idk who created it but very very helpful

[marsh prism]

thasnks

8%

wah

fun fight ngl

[reef sedge]

Is it worth it to get the Corespark Multitool staff from Nexus mythic as opposed to a crafted weapon?

[fervent mica]

it is once you can craft a 2nd piece with arcanoweave

[reef sedge]

I'm currently using stafff and boots

[cerulean stratus]

girl

heal more

[reef sedge]

as crafted items, but I was thinking about switching to wrists/boots

[reef sedge]

So thanks!

[marsh prism]

800k OOMFG

[cerulean stratus]

also

where is ur feral frenzy

[marsh prism]

donut need

i need heal good and stay alive

[oak wadi]

Hello one question is wowanalyzer good to use? Because i wanna improve my healing and im playing the first time druid in midnight?

[mystic crater]

Kill the boss nance

[marsh prism]

yes

[marsh prism]

tryin

[oak wadi]

thx 🙂

[mystic crater]

Thanks nance

[marsh prism]

dreamgrove.gg/resto is a great list of links you will need

[fervent mica]

for raid, it won't do much for m+

[oak wadi]

ah okay im looking into m+ atm 😄

[prime ridge]

Had a small break from the game, can someone tell me why Wildstalker is favored in raids now?

[fervent mica]

sym blooms work realyl well with the apex after it was changed

[prime ridge]

ahh alright, ty

[snow umbra]

Have we got a new build to nullify the Apex nerfs yet?

[fervent mica]

its not changing

no apex will be closer than it was... but current build should still edge it out

[radiant narwhal]

guys who should I put symbiotic relationship on

[marsh prism]

sheep i love him

[pliant notch]

is there any way to do more dmg in keys im hovering at between 15-20k in 12-15s

[marsh prism]

wait thats not sheep

[pliant notch]

usually how my overalls look

[marsh prism]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-baby-bear-bear-cub-cub-worried-bear-gif-3871404305283279898

[candid peak]

can druid be dwarf

[radiant narwhal]

it is sheep

sheep is a hunter

@torn tulip traitor

[torn tulip]

ly2

bro chimp

[sudden rover]

yeah go dream of cenarius build

u can climb at around 40k dps overall even in 21s, that's what jdotb is doing. In your range (12s-15s) doc is def viable

[pliant notch]

got a build for it

been running different variants of cat and cat+sunfire

[marsh prism]

<33

[pliant notch]

that 18k was only cat

[marsh prism]

do not kotg doc

[harsh quail]

It was also in nexus with a dmg amp boss

[marsh prism]

b so real

[valid dune]

Does anyone have a call of the elder build for m+?

[pliant notch]

my boomy died on the 1st dmg amp

[sudden rover]

mixing cat and boomy is bad I think, cause you lose the magical damage on left tree. 25% damage is huge

[pliant notch]

so i canceled my voke

[marsh prism]

aw

wait

[pliant notch]

im just boomy for the above

[marsh prism]

you guys killed :( @torn tulip gz

jealous

we got very close

[pliant notch]

for the sunfire im just catweaving with above with sunfire

[marsh prism]

oine more pull brb

[sudden rover]

u got this

[torn tulip]

dogshit boss man

into another dogshit boss

i shouldve quit when i had the chance

[marsh prism]

wah

no dice

soclose

[radiant narwhal]

yeah sure buddy

just press barbed shot

[torn tulip]

fr

[radiant narwhal]

you can quit when its dead

[torn tulip]

bm is actual

hekili

[radiant narwhal]

hahahah

should have played resto

[radiant narwhal]

this shit is illegal

[torn tulip]

https://tenor.com/nKwB5qPLg9W.gif

[marsh prism]

i think our guys are playing survival or one of them

sooo fucking close maaaaaaaan

[torn tulip]

survival isnt worth it

unless you're incredibly good at it*

[marsh prism]

he is incredibly good at all things hunter

he's kind of the goat

[torn tulip]

goat < sheep

unfortunately

[marsh prism]

he's

hang on

[radiant narwhal]

unless its that BSQ hunter

[marsh prism]

look i'm not done this yet but he';s mechanic mike he is a real one

[marsh prism]

no its deszu<3

i keep having to be moved farther right

god i need to make more prog on this

[torn tulip]

this goes hard

[marsh prism]

hang on im gonna finish it

[torn tulip]

@marsh prism

[marsh prism]

fuck me

[fervent mica]

... lol

[torn tulip]

[marsh prism]

you're going on my chart

[torn tulip]

https://tenor.com/bTucP.gif

[wise galleon]

is

ST magic better then ST cat?

[torn tulip]

stoked

where monkey

[marsh prism]

WHO

oh.

omg....

[torn tulip]

[mystic crater]

Hm

[sudden rover]

it's about the same

magic aoe is much better tho

[valid dune]

wildstalker better than keeper as well?

[sudden rover]

yeah

atm wildstalker is better

[radiant narwhal]

yeah put me on the list

[wise galleon]

Was just watching a resto commentary and does using rejuv at the end of regrowth gain a free gcd to apply rejuv? Or what did he mean?

"I apply a regrowth on him, I apply a rejuv on him at the end of the regrowth because at this points its a free GCD"

What am I missing

[tough portal]

That means nothing

It's nonsense

Whoever made that video should go on the naughty list whenever their name gets brought up

[grizzled seal]

The person making commentary doesn't understand how gcd works

[wise galleon]

Maybe they meant something else, no need to be meanie

How many GCD can we get inside a 6sec window? With our current haste is it about 1 gc per second?

Is it more like 5 casts?

[robust badge]

Erm what the helly

Where am I

[wise galleon]

Or better formed question: what is the best healing we can apply without using convoke/tranq in 6 sec window

[robust badge]

Gcd is 1.5/(1+haste %)

So you need 50% to get 1s gcd

[vivid peak]

im m+ swittmend regrowft swiftmend regrowft

[solid fractal]

A question bois for the rdruid out there, comparing logs, why others druid everbloom healing more and it is on top or the logs? on Raid

Lifebloom on myself?

This is an example: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bRwzZDN376tcmgkj?type=healing&fight=21

[vivid peak]

looks like you're not double rejuving yourself

[solid fractal]

oh so, I need to rejuv double myself

[wise galleon]

Because specifically was watching a commentary over the emberdawn Flaming Updraft, I think its my worst boss ever and usually I do use Wild Growth and Rejuvs on the two targets and then start using Regrowths but it feels like Rejuvs dont heal enough to top off them before the tornadoes spawn. So based on that I probably should start Wild Growth into Regrowth and just end with rejuvs instead

[solid fractal]

not lifebloom

[vivid peak]

you want to be extending 2x rejuv and lifebloom on yourself in raid

with verdant infusion

[solid fractal]

ahd crap that nice to know ty Kamp

Then after that keep rotation right?

[vivid peak]

yeah click regrowft more :D

like way more

[solid fractal]

yep yep

gotcha and keep lifebloom on me with 2xrejuvs

[vivid peak]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes/ check this out it might have some info you are missing

[solid fractal]

ty

also i need to track abundance buff, dont see it on mid screen

[vivid peak]

you want to rejuv and wg before the damage and use sotf rgs during it if needed

[languid pine]

hey guys! with the new DMG (disc style) m+ build, did you figure out how to track Call of the Elder druid CD? I cannot track it with the cooldown manager.

[wise galleon]

but sotf could splash on the wrong target, so its risky having a target with only rejuv and wg

[vivid peak]

you hit everyone since lb target also gets hit

[wise galleon]

so I have to apply also lifebloom constantly, im griefing

thanks

[vivid peak]

yes it should have 100% uptime

its your way of making someone immortal

[wise galleon]

also quick question, how does lifebloom heal more if it has 2 rejuvs on the target? is it because of mastery it splashes more heal on others or is the splash heal based mastery off the target it splashed on? (idk how to explain myself)

[vivid peak]

someone smarter will have the answer to that idk i just play the game :D

[sudden rover]

just look at your debuff

[languid pine]

where do u see the debuff normally? i might not see becouse of an addon but I might figure out

[sudden rover]

where all your debuffs are

look at your edit mode menu

[oak wadi]

would anyone up to help me and check my wowanalyzer and could overflow and tell me if i understood that right?

1. Less Wild Growth only when 3ppl need Heal
2. Better Abundance stack manage (Keep always 6 Reju atleast on ppl?)
3. Better Lifebloom uptime always keep 3 Stacks ( at the moment i keep it always on the tank)
4. Better cd use

or anything else i have to improve thats what i understand from the wowanalyzer? my problem is to keep the Abundance stacks up how do u manage it with rejuv?

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/YwhdGT693HXMB8Wb/4-Mythisch++Nexus-Point+Xenas+-+Kill+(29:00)/1-Owliday/standard

sorry for asking 😄 still new to rdruid also i think im not ramping right with rejuv and regrowth i guess im not good in it atm

[languid pine]

U ARE GENIOUS THANK YOU!!!

[sudden rover]

my pleasure

[wise galleon]

So specifically for M+ WoWAnalzyer isnt that great, you dont need to track abundance in M+ because you wont play around it. Lifebloom should be ideally 100% uptime, refreshing it when last 4 seconds remain to extend the duration of lifebloom. CD use on wowanalyzer will always tell you tranq casts are garbage.

You should probably open your logs and check for bosses or pulls you struggled at or you think are hard and compare it next to a log of someone else that did a higher key

[oak wadi]

Okay yeah i have to keep an eye on lifebloom but is it good to keep it on tank?

[wise galleon]

So ideally yes because you want melee on it and also dont need to care about healing the tank too much but in higher keys you might want to put lifebloom on the target that is getting a dot or a mechanic you have to heal

1. it increases healing by mastery
2. regrowths you cast on some other target jump on the lifebloomed target aswell

im trynna find the talent that does that

iam also new druid lol

[oak wadi]

Okay thx for the tipp i guess i have to check logs 😄 but thats so much stuff atm 😄

[wise galleon]

learn a thing at a time and you will reduce the amount of things to fix overtime

[oak wadi]

atm thats my talant build https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YwhdGT693HXMB8Wb?type=summary&fight=last&source=1 i use the ones from raider.io from players with high RIO

[oak wadi]

and yes thats a good plan 😄 i guess i will try to keep lifebloom active 100%

[oak wadi]

if i understand that right if i regrowth someone the lifebloom player gets the heal aswell?

[wise galleon]

Ehh taking taletnts from players with high RIO is arguable because their playstyle is very dependant on the composition of classes they are running with and how they do different dungeons and pulls is specific to them

[wise galleon]

Yes

[chrome pond]

hey guys just a simple question how do we skip the falling in the last boss of the skyreach ?

[wise galleon]

Like for myself pushing 18s I could not run that talent tree, I would get OOM quick

[sly pivot]

ive snuck into a mythic chim group - everyone act natural

[oak wadi]

okay true so better stick to wowhead builds atm? because i run atm 13 and 14 keys only

[wise galleon]

Would say so although just personal choice I would drop Nurturing Dormancy for Harmonious Blooming, and I myself play Prosperity instead of Verdant Infusion (this is just gameplay pref)

And in wowhead we are now playing caster damage because its just stronger in aoe and st, whilst cat is just okay in st and horrible compared to caster in aoe

So if you go through the talents and check what the actual difference is and why you learn a lot

Welp im also playing improved swiftmend instead of regen heartwood

but thats because prosp 2 charges, idk how other ppl with Verdant Infusion play

Also time ago I struggled and people just told me to use WG on CD (more or less), so do ignore WoWanalyzer

Its actively griefing you for M+ advice

[oak wadi]

yes thats what me was told use it on cd

but i have sometimes huge mana problems i guess because i spam to much rejuv

[wise galleon]

If we want to be strict, you should use WG before an event of damage such that it combines together with other hots

If you spam swiftmend and wg on cd it will get you OOM quic

The point is knowing when there is damage coming and preparing accordingly, which is the whole deal of how resto is supposed to play

If you have mana problems you should either make use of Master Shapeshifter talent and drink bit of mana when you can

If you know the dungeon well you technically never need to drink mana except when some shitpulls are happening because of mistakes and you have to spend a lot of mana to keep everyone alive

If you OOM it means you are doing something wrong so its a good feedback to have

[vivid peak]

wildcharge while dropping, it takes you out of travel and is kinda wonky

[sly pivot]

alright m chim actually not that scary i was topping heals at like 180k but apparently lead was a griefer and everyone left so that was an experience

[oak wadi]

thx for the tips and help 🙂 we are playing in a grp always with 2 mages 1 frost 1 arcane and 1 unholy + monk tank should i keep lifebloom on the unholy or still on the tank?

[wise galleon]

Uh I guess you can keep one the mages, mages are squishy af and you are 3 casters, you want to maximize the amount of healing done by efflorescence. By doing this you will have to heal a tank a bit more btw

I just always keep it on tank and swap it on someone when they are getting beamed or any mechanic that requires extra healing, tanks usually are able to self sustain enough that dont need lifebloom that often

Like for NPX the right wing boss hits hard, so you want that on the tank often

But for Skyreach Golem you have to keep it on someone tanking the beam no question

[oak wadi]

ok good because i started yesterday with swaping lifebloom around a bit and also thought maby keep it on arcane mage because i got fewer def cd compared to frost

[tidal sigil]

Got pretty lucky with loot lately and not sure where to spend my 2 bonus rolls.

Top ring is mythic but im out of crests kek

any recommendations of what to hunt for? Im thinking a good neck somewhere but besides the HC/mythic version of my current one im not sure

[oak wadi]

thats a good point i always had problems to heal ppl with the beam

so its also okay to swap lifebloom around right? just keep it running is the way to go because i found it was easy to heal wiht lifebloom on someone that good dmg

first i keept it always on tank because alot of yt videos tell u keep it on tank und spam Swiftmend on CD always

[wise galleon]

Consider crafting somethingaswell, you should be able to (other than that having to specifically understand on what dungeon is worth rolling bonus rolls is up to you, kinda a chore to check for your specific set of items and where did you roll bonus rolls already)

[tidal sigil]

Yea was looking a wrist craft. Just need crests but have the sparks for it (or neck craft)

[wise galleon]

We want to ideally not swap it that much, we want 3 stacks uptime, you want to move it only when its needed for certain mechanics that do lots of damage

[tidal sigil]

Counting on getting hand token next week

[oak wadi]

okay and is it worth stacking it to 3 or just put it on the player and stack it alone to 3?

[wise galleon]

Also yeah I guess VI gamestyle prefers having all hots on someone and swiftmend them. If you are already putting lifebloom on someoen else because a damage event is going to hit them it means you already have other hots on them prepared, so you should swifmtend them

[wise galleon]

What I mean by 3 stacks is that the longer lifebloom is on one target the better it heals, reaching up to max of 3 stacks

I dont understand your question

[velvet cloak]

You can manually stack it by recasting lifebloom

[wise galleon]

I did neck craft because I cant run mythic bosses that have mythic neck + I dont know if there are any good necklaces from M+

[oak wadi]

i thought if i use lifebloom more then 1 time on a player it stacks to 2 and i dont have to wait until it stacks them self up to 2

[tidal sigil]

Might be the way for me aswell tbh. Currently on Dragons so wont have a chance at myth neck in raid for a while

[velvet cloak]

Correct, you can. Probably not worth it

[oak wadi]

ok 😄

[wise galleon]

Yeah it automatically gets 3 stacks after 7 seconds more or less

And if you dont let it end and recast inside the window of the last 4 seconds of the buffyou are keeping the 3 stacks (keep note if you swap it to someone else it looses all stacks)

but ye you shouldnt care about stacks that much

Can someone explain to me why "Embrace of the Dream" is bad? Assuming it is

Is it just too low healing issues?

[placid flax]

what would you drop to take it

[spark river]

You d have to drop ms for it

And if you spam wg to get the most out of embrace, you just go oom

[thorn whale]

I'm having some mana issues when I reach 6 minutes, but I should just press WG less

and then what is the point of playing embrace

[idle lake]

she embrace my dream

[mighty kelp]

What best M+ for us to use rerolls? Anything that gives a mythic? I see Seat has tons of armor I don't have mythic spots for. Good to roll and catalyust stufF?

[placid flax]

nexus/mt for ring, any with tier slots to catalyst, and windrunner for heart or w/e other trinket you wanna go for

[thorn whale]

Go and roll in Nexus Point

it has weapon, chest, ring and hands

[gentle charm]

you can qelive for upgrades and that's a good starting point

just set dungeon ilvl to max

[graceful spruce]

Hi guys how do you top ppl fast in m+, i feel like it takes me to much time to top ppl in m+, for exemple when casts go off and some1 gets hit 80-60% of their hp and they die in 2 seconds after, and i feel i am to slow to top them if Nature's swiftness is on cd

[gentle nova]

Swiftmend

[graceful spruce]

even though they dont have bloom on them?

and like 1-2 hots

[terse elbow]

bro dead is more important than efficient.

the dot duration extension is like the least important part about swiftmend

[mystic pasture]

Mandatory Swiftmend on your LB target is also more of a raid thing

[stable verge]

Well hots must be ready but you can pre-swift and sit on the proc until needed. Then regrowth will be huge, or NS+regrowth even better

It's always about you knowing damage is coming and being ready to instantly apply this

[gentle nova]

Sm, lb, proc sotf

Sm rg, etc

[graceful spruce]

alright tyty

[merry kite]

Yo can I send 2x bonus rolls on a raid boss in the same week? If I clear the boss again even though im saved

[lucid token]

Should I use double swiftmend in pugs? I’m only doing 10s

[native violet]

hello not sure if it s a me problem or a general thing i wanna add an alert in cooldown manager for pandemic of lifebloom but somehow it is not working for other stuff it s no problem to add alters they work fine

[cedar trench]

Last I heard Blizz internal alert is bugged, just get the lifebloom tracker addon it has pandemic alert

[dreamy wave]

This is probably a silly question but is there a dispel for party members with resto?

[pastel dragon]

you guys running any DPS trinkets for a bit extra oomph? like i can give up ~1.5% hps for ~5% dps by swapping mythic heart of the wind for mythic wrap of cosmic madness, idk if its really worth in general though (for M+)

[vast rapids]

What key level are you doing? Generally not worth it because survivability is huge in keys rn and mainly the limiting factor. Healer dps is cosmetic basically atm

[pastel dragon]

in 17/18s right now, i have fun in weekly lower keys but youre right it's probably never gonna make or break a higher key

[pastel dragon]

yes, it is Natur'es cure

[dreamy wave]

Thank you. I don't know why I was having so much trouble finding it in spells lol

[versed stone]

you want to swap to contribute an additional 0.1% grp dmg? not sure I would call that "oomph" :)

[graceful ermine]

Seems like a risk management thing. What amount of the time is doing an extra 5% healer dps going to impact timing they key vs what amount of the time is an extra 1.5% hps slack going to matter? My intuition is healer damage matters so little right now that I wouldn't want to risk the inconsistency, but it's probably somewhat marginal in both directions

[versed stone]

don't think it's marginal when you could be running an on-use trinket that actually helps you keep ppl alive rather than one doing mostly pad dmg

[pastel dragon]

those are good points, i'll hold off on running it for now, just like considering things

i see the wowhead build reccomends taking sunfire over any points in killer instinct, i guess that 6% armor / physical damage doesnt really matter when you can aoe sunfire for extra passive dmg?

[graceful ermine]

Sunfire is mostly for pathing. You will occasionally hit it but it's not very important

You need to reach starlight conduit somehow

[honest flame]

Are crafted rings horrible for us? I see no top players using them but I have had horrible ring RNG so contemplating crafting them

[pastel dragon]

then why not save a talent point and go thru astral influence, are you trying to HotW moonkin form?

[graceful ermine]

Astral influence is less useful than sunfire

The extra range basically never matters in keys

Sunfire is at least reasonable to press whenever you have to move and can't really do much else valuable with the global

[pastel dragon]

true but it's one less talent point you can spend somewhere else if you dont have to take moonkin form, unless youre prioritizing the hotw moonkin form on trash pulls

[versed stone]

moonkin hotw is a meme

[graceful ermine]

oh I see what you mean

Yeah maybe that's reasonable

[versed stone]

if you're playing a full caster dps the only button to press is starfire

and hotw cat on st

[graceful ermine]

I don't think the competing talents matter very much, but sure you could gain an extra point in a cat talent I suppose to increase your single target slightly

[pastel dragon]

ok yah thats what ive been doing, just wondering about the wowhead recocmendation if i was missing something

[versed stone]

the dps tuning is infuriating but it also doesn't matter since you contribute less than 3% of grp dmg so I wouldn't actually even spend time considering any of this