resto

[gentle nova]

Most ppl are shit at pressing ironbark anyway

[spark river]

we had this chat before the season also

Came to the same conclusion I think

If 15/16s are the highest keys for you personally dont play doc

[candid peak]

guys, is seat the hardest key to heal or am i tripping

[spark river]

seat requires highest hps yes

[candid peak]

i am struggling so hard, fuck me dude

[vocal musk]

Currently struggling on 15's so thanks for the advice.

[candid peak]

shit is so much harder to heal than anything else for me, dry every second pack and boss

[spark river]

Play the wildstalker build and look at where you are fundamentally making mistakes

[vocal musk]

I can't keep people alive on many things like the beam of trash in Skyreach, the dot of the trash in MT after the first boss and so on 😄

[drowsy solar]

Tier 11 nemesis is easy but so boring cause you can't help dps at all

Made me miss Fade

[spark river]

You need to setup those pulls

You cant go in dry

[vocal musk]

Even with I set up, rejuv on everyone, WG almost on CD, try to use SM with Regrowth whrn ppl take high damage (into spam Regrowth) damage are just to high to handle. But it's on me because people are able to do such higer keys. I'd just like to know where I'm doing wrong.

[candid peak]

skyreach is kinda simple, keep every dot on your boys, lifebloom on the squishiest one, and blast

[spark river]

Go in with hots and spam regrowth, when you feel you are falling behind use convoke, ironbark one person who is taking a lot of damage and tranq as a last resort when you run out of everything else

[vocal musk]

The last boss for instance I put hot on as many people I could (in particular with those with the beam on them) and spam Regrowth like an ape. Not a single DPS spell and I literally spent the fight spamming Regrowth.

[candid peak]

same shit really

you gotta see who it will hit before the debuff comes

wild growth, swiftmend, natures swiftness and convoke, u got many buttons

and bark

[spark river]

Dont use ns and convoke together in dungeons

[candid peak]

and obv regrowth spam here and there

[spark river]

Especially not with the recent bug fix

[candid peak]

no i meant in general

got many tools

[spark river]

Yeah just making it clear

[vocal musk]

Maybe I use too many rejuv compared to regrowth

[gentle nova]

Show a log

[candid peak]

will ns get used in that convoke?

[spark river]

No

[vocal vine]

i have 3 bonus rolls should i use them in wrs or nexus?

[drowsy solar]

QElive has a pretty good upgrade finder

[vocal vine]

ty forgot about that nexus it is then

[versed stone]

if you don't have crests then do not use bonus rolls btw

[vocal vine]

i have some, got nothing from vault last week + blizz gave back 2 rolls for bug

[vocal musk]

I can't find the one of the only 15 I did, here's MT 14.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dAajRfxh1WybQ9Vg?fight=1

[prisma grotto]

@thorn plover i want you to know ive queued bgs for the past 2 hrs and scored a single win

this is what you did to me

holy misery

[subtle cobalt]

do training grounds against the bots -- much easier/faster

[prisma grotto]

it is

training grounds.

[subtle cobalt]

yikes you lost against bots? my condolences

[prisma grotto]

many times in a row

ive done what, 8-9 of them now

and 1 single win

: )

[subtle cobalt]

that seems like some sort of achievement!

[prisma grotto]

crafting neck seems more and more like a nice idea

[gentle nova]

Crafting neck is fine tbh

[prisma grotto]

half the people are crazy afk and i outdpsd a few people even just pressing some wraths & convoke

[gentle nova]

Unless you can coin m alleria

[prisma grotto]

its not a raidchar

so ye

[gentle nova]

Itll beat the pvp neck

Maybe not lura neck in heroic but that shit is also hard to get

[prisma grotto]

well u see

[gentle nova]

Hard fight to pug then it gotta drop then you gotta win roll over everyone

[prisma grotto]

earlier that person told me not to craft neck

which is why i went to do this training grounds

[gentle nova]

If i wasnt so close to killing alleria and coining it i wouldve crafted neck already tbh

[prisma grotto]

it just smells like by far my best choice atm so

[high gate]

How well can keepers do compare to wildstalkers in m+?

[thorn plover]

How do you lose training grounds..... That's like impossible

I did them all on an alt last night and did finished in like 1h15m lol

[prisma grotto]

they took ur advice

and did nothing :)

[thorn plover]

Crazy.

[high hawk]

prepare for nerfs. kind of annoying since monks are still busted in raid and 5 mans

[pulsar kettle]

?

[rustic copper]

It is better than myth crafted p sure

But if you aren’t mythic raiding you need to coin npx for items to send crests in

Maybe other dungeons too

[proven phoenix]

only boss that gives me upgrades in raid is alleria

and we arent killing her till lura dies so

I have both ring and chest from nexus point idk what my next 3 coins are for even

I can spend for weapon I guess

[rustic copper]

What’s your neck and ring situation

[proven phoenix]

crafted ring and mythic nexus point ring, heroic pvp neck

[rustic copper]

Myth crafted ring?

[proven phoenix]

yeah

[rustic copper]

Rip

[proven phoenix]

I have 30 mythic crests left over, technically I could upgrade the weapon if I got it from nexus point but am I really spending 1-3 coins just for a weapon

I have heroic hands too which I could upgrade from nexus point but who has the crests for that

[rustic copper]

Well you need items to sink crests in starting next week

And you’re blocked in a lot of slots

[proven phoenix]

is next week uncapped or

whats the deal

[grizzled seal]

Do you have an alt?

[urban kestrel]

mortals can get 285 next week

[proven phoenix]

yeah why

[rustic copper]

No you’ll have 130 next week what do you even spend on

[proven phoenix]

oh

mythic boots, mythic hands

probably

[rustic copper]

You have both?

[proven phoenix]

when I was coining nexus point I got the shoes

yeah

not hands though

[grizzled seal]

If you get myth achievement you can farm items on alts in the slots you have low ilvl on main

And get free crests like that

I already have a plan for next week for my druid

[rustic copper]

Yeah

[proven phoenix]

I have mythic boots on my evoker actually but only heroic on druid

that could be tech

[urban kestrel]

my alts are too far off, even my priest sadly, but still just getting to 285 to discount the rest on your main is huge

[grizzled seal]

I got chest and weapon on monk, so my chest and weapon upgrades are gonna cost 10 on druid

And then I am crafting a belt

[rustic copper]

I’m going to finish npx on my alt next week, prob craft embellished hero or even myth wrists on main and upgrade weapon and whatever I coin/vault

[grizzled seal]

I am crafting myth belt and hero bracers next week

And picking either socket or coin from my vault

Because I have 3 items left in NPX

[proven phoenix]

im just insanely crest starved

[grizzled seal]

Everything is planned

[proven phoenix]

I have 2 upgrades ready and a craft in my 3rd slot but like

who has the crests for that

[urban kestrel]

what main hand do I even want if I eventually want to embellished offhand?

[grizzled seal]

The fuck are you crafting for then

[rustic copper]

Crafting myth items once you have 285 achieve

[urban kestrel]

oh I want the beloren main hand dont I? that can wait til after prog lol

[rustic copper]

Maybe maybe not

I don’t think it’s clear whether we can upgrade offhands

So 2h might just be required

[urban kestrel]

wait can you not put hunt on books let me go check

[rustic copper]

Or it might cost less currency to do 2h

[grizzled seal]

The only items I will pick from my vault are either alleria neck or alleria trinket

[proven phoenix]

same

[rustic copper]

Hero Lura neck

[grizzled seal]

Ideally I manage to coin both weapon and chest from NPX

[proven phoenix]

is the weapon over crafted weapon even worth

I cba

[urban kestrel]

id still take vaelgors I think... idk suffuser just seems really mid atm

or fart of wind

[grizzled seal]

yES

[urban kestrel]

2/3s of 4 wep ilvls is a lot of intellect rn, and also yes you can apparently put hunt on offhand thank god

[high hawk]

i got the weapon from npx in the vault the first week of rerolls. passed on it because i had a trink on there. should be easy to get though

[urban kestrel]

yeah its like 13 int to get a 289 main hand and you still get to keep hunt on off hand

that sounds p good to me, honestly I cant believe hunt is just so good it competes with arcanoweave + 20 int from having a full 289 wep

had to go check my priest's wep for numbers

but thats still like something you do after all upgrades ofc

[thorn plover]

Crafted gains an extra ilvl with the upgrade tokens too

[covert kiln]

what is generally the best dungeon to spend bonuss rolls since im not doing mythic raiding?

[urban kestrel]

nexus point in general, but I'd say windrunner improves a lot since it has both of the best non-raid trinkets

[covert kiln]

tysmm, i have both spuire trinekts on hero so i thought its better to get other gear than go trinkets

[severe shoal]

whats builds we got for high keys

[pulsar kettle]

the wowhead m+ build is fine for all key levels

[severe shoal]

i am not running boomy 💀

[thorn whale]

bottom right you can move around

if u want

[severe shoal]

thx

[thorn whale]

NB / HB can go into another point of TV

[rustic copper]

How do you play m+ without tv and nd

Sounds unplayable

[thorn whale]

not at all

Unplayable is wild haha

What do you "need" ND for

and NB vs 2nd TV i'm not sure about

[pulsar kettle]

you can just....move caster talents to cat?

[slender gust]

No RH in M+ is a hard sell for me. RH turns ironbark into a borderline immunity if you have good rejuv spread and has gotten me out of a lot of sticky situations

Imp SM never seemed that impactful to me

[solid loom]

Why is it suggested to use Corespark Multitool or Final Grade as a weapon instead of Spire of the Furious Construct, even if it simulates simming better? Is it due to a higher chance of wasting rolls on bad items in Skyreach?

[thorn plover]

Huh

[mental belfry]

Its suggesting alternatives thats are close enough to not matter

[thorn whale]

I think the DR value is the more important part, and if you already have "good rejuv spread" then you'll already have that person covered with more healing than they need/it's easy for you to keep them alive with the mastery value you already have on them

where as in spread aoe situations the imp sm makes a difference whether someone dies to a tick or not

[smoky sail]

Also your sim =/= the general recommendation

[vocal vine]

i want to my 4th craft as neck but it shows 272 ilvl? why is it like that

[solid loom]

What is the general recommendation then? I just took items from wowhead bus list to sim all weapons.

[jovial tartan]

no embellishments? o.o

[smoky sail]

Blindly following BIS lists

[proven phoenix]

its a sub 0.1% change between weapons

it doesnt matter which ones you use out of those

xenas is recommended because it has other good items to use as well

[hearty tide]

yo is anyone here hitting the pug wall at 18s like me or is it a me problem lol

[thorn plover]

You didn't specify max quality

[west topaz]

no that definitely exists

[thorn plover]

Yeah it gets pretty rough at that level. Which isn't surprising

[west topaz]

because you're asking a lot of employed people at that point they start to separate

[hearty tide]

i mean throughput isnt the issue (yet) but it's a death here and a death there and the key just bricks

[west topaz]

you're gonna need them on discord at some point if you want to keep going up with pugs

[hearty tide]

so i can't say it's a group issue but mistakes are unforgiving i feel like

[thorn plover]

18 is still top couple % of keys, so it's not surprising pugs struggle there

[hearty tide]

yea that's true

[hardy canopy]

at this point you shouldn't fully pug anymore and get into a pushing team

[slender gust]

Can someone give me the quick and dirty on the regrowth-focused playstyle in raid? Should I be trying it? Is the build different? When/how are you pressing regrowth vs Rejuv?

[west topaz]

find a keys guild/fellowship/whatever

[hearty tide]

through raider.io ? or is there another method ?

[west topaz]

anywhere

if you find 2 people playing together you should ask them their times too

[rotund geode]

Why is Crit mastery simming better

[hearty tide]

i will try that

[fervent mica]

are you simming dps?

[slender gust]

I just pugged into Mythic Chimaerus for the first time. Fight is pretty fun. Lots of healing to do

[urban bone]

Is it pretty puggable? I want the trinket but was thinking I’d just take heroic and orb it in a few weeks to 285

[slender gust]

I'm not usually a Mythic raider, so getting to do Mythic bosses is a nice treat for me

[urban bone]

Because I wasn’t sure how realistic it was for me to kill mythic as a non raider

[hardy canopy]

its easier than heroic crown

a joke actually

[urban bone]

Heroic chim was so easy it did make me wonder about mythic

[hardy canopy]

the only difficulty is not missing fear kicks

[slender gust]

It's pretty puggable. We didn't kill the boss b/c there were a few ppl griefing and the group fell apart. But we saw the entire fight, and it wasn't that bad

Mechanically easy, but a decent enough throughput test

[urban bone]

Yeah it’s hard to be patient in pug groups when you don’t get that golden one that just makes it happen. I HATE wasting an hour wiping and replacing people just to get no kill

[rustic copper]

Chim throughput check

[slender gust]

I would agree that it felt easier than H Crown as someone who just finished progging that boss. A little more output required than crown, but Crown is more mechanical so it can get messy if you're not coordinated

[silk ice]

Chim is a kick check

[hearty coral]

According to raider io +18s would be top .4%

[slender gust]

OK Niko. Not everyone is a world top 30 raider. The healers in this pug and I were all fairly competitive with each other and I felt like I was having to play pretty well to keep the raid alive.

[lyric surge]

This is kinda normal btw.. early mythic bosses being easier than h end boss.

[fervent mica]

chim and first 2 void are stupid easy fights to pug

[silk ice]

Vorasius is bait, dilutes my vault pool

[hardy canopy]

chim is easy as it should

bis trinket for all classes

[oak garnet]

I've one shot m chim past 2 weeks. In pugs. Non raider. Fwiw

[slender gust]

I know. I've done early Mythic before. My normal guild doesn't usually have the roster for them and doesn't wanna pug people to fill out, so I have bounced around from 2nd home to 2nd home as the opportunity presents itself, or occasionally PUG if it's a particularly easy early tier to pug

[west topaz]

an hour? generous

i spent 4 hours yesterday on lura

maybe wasted another 12 hours pugging lura H in general before that, in other weeks

people are crazy disorganized

welcome to MMOs

[slender gust]

Bumping my previous question since I saw Niko around and I know he likes this playstyle

[west topaz]

sometimes a non-MMO person asks if raiding is fun and im like 'idk man'

[urban bone]

I mean I just don’t do it on retail

[fervent mica]

progression is fun... stagnating isn't

[rustic copper]

Maintain lifebloom and rejuv on yourself permanently, swiftmend yourself on cd, use every sotf proc on rejuv, press lots of regrowth

Don’t play ms, your mana pool is your wg budget

[urban bone]

Maybe I’ll try it sometime and see how it goes..

If prob enjoy raiding in a proper guild and progging but I just ain’t got the time to commit

[spare sand]

guys if im switching to myth weapon

do i 2x arcanoweave?

[wise galleon]

having now this

should I get 2 arcanoweave linings?

instead of hunt

[wise galleon]

KEK

same question

[slender gust]

Are you only pressing rejuv w/ SotF or are there other times you're pressing it over regrowth too?

[rustic copper]

Yes

[rustic copper]

There are other times I’m pressing it especially if I need to move for any mechanic

In wcl your regrowth cpm should be in the 20-25 range

And you should try to regrowth different people to spread the hot, pandemic refreshing the hot is really strong too

[crude hatch]

Might be jumping late on the train, but can we have a log from a m+ / raid just to see more details?

Very new to retail, loved mop Druid healing, but I feel like there is a lot I don’t understand.

I overutilise rejuv and underutilise regrowth, too few SM/WG, but I thought RG is expensive until we have high abundance stacks?

They way you describe it, you probably use the talent that splashes 20% of RG healing onto others with the buff and the other one that applies RG hot on the LB target?

[wise galleon]

Question, how much is arcanoweave lining exactly on hps gain? Is it much, is it not? Im here gauging if I should get new mythic wrists or if upgrading a mythic trinket to max is better, its says wrist ugprade is 0.16% and mythic trinket is 0.18% but for wrists it doesnt take in account the embellishment

[slender gust]

Regrowth gets cheaper than rejuv at like 4-5 stacks iirc

[vivid owl]

was using petesdefensivehistory addon to see everyones defensives to see if they are using them in keys, and then found out it only works if they have bigwigs or dbm, so i cant see my tanks cd's with it(i totally wasnt spying on a suss brew)

is there another defensive tracker that doesnt need that or? doesnt show up on my frames either because of it

[wise galleon]

im using minicc but its kinda unreliable sometims

[vivid owl]

Yeah, so was this, until i realised thats the reason why

sometimes it just showed nothing for some people

[thorn plover]

all the defensive trackers are janky

almost like blizz doesnt want you to have it

[vivid owl]

yeah idk blizz i like seeing stuff

[thorn plover]

higher than i thought tbh

[slender gust]

Also, came to a revelation during Heroic reclear this week. People complain about the dispel on Chimaerus being a small, hard to see debuff on raid frames and not showing up like a normal dispel. I agree and I hate it. But there's an Occam's Razor solution that idk why I didn't think of weeks ago. Just make your dispel keybind work on ally mouseover so you can just mouse over the circle haver, and go "pop"

[thorn plover]

thats what people have been doing since week 1

also the dispels show up like normal now if they have their frames set up correctly

[rain hinge]

am i dumb or do i not know how to use the void planner

[gentle nova]

Should i coin windrunner spire

[thorn plover]

whats a void planner

[gentle nova]

Wait is darkmoon dominion trinket an embelishment

[glossy holly]

all of those darkmoon trinkets are an embellish yes

very random i know

[gentle nova]

Wtf

[slender gust]

Pls explain. I'm using ElvUI frames and I would love to fix it

[rain hinge]

https://voidcoreplanner.pages.dev/

[thorn plover]

dont use that

[rain hinge]

oh okay, what should i use? i'm trying to figure out where to use my rolls for dungeons

[glossy holly]

NX dungeon

[thorn plover]

the answer is almost certainly nexus point

use upgrade finder on QE

[glossy holly]

it does have good stuff

[rain hinge]

i spent 4 rolls on there and already got most of it lol

[glossy holly]

oh then

[slender gust]

Nexus point has 7 items on the loot table and 5 of them are good. Hard to argue with doing that

[thorn plover]

i cant say for elvui, but this is what mine looks like

can clearly see the 2 dispels

[glossy holly]

maybe wind trinket if u dont have an access to raid hc+ trinkets

[rain hinge]

i think the only thing i haven't gotten from nexus is boots.

[slender gust]

I would love to know how to do that in ElvUI. I had switched off them and onto base frames at the start of the expack, but for whatever reason, base frames broke my game when .5 dropped

[thorn plover]

maybe ask in elvui discord

[glossy holly]

i certainly had to update elvui 2 times in less than 5 days from patch release

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slender gust]

Off to find a link to that

[thorn plover]

i suggest running upgrade finder, just move the slider for m+ key level to reflect mythic instead of hero

then click dungeon

[rain hinge]

oh sick

but hmm

i wish i knew what was part of the loot table for my rolls on here:

[grim wedge]

how u did that?

[thorn plover]

not sure what you mean

like the items you've already gotten?

[rain hinge]

yeah

[thorn plover]

keep a spreadsheet is my suggestion

[rain hinge]

thank you

[thorn plover]

new neck from 12.0.7 gonna be bis i assume?

[slender gust]

Why does this macro sometimes clip my Convoke? I feel like it shouldn't

[thorn plover]

dont worry, if you keep reading past that it doesnt work in combat

[quiet wyvern]

macros aren't executed in order

[oak garnet]

Do you do raid or m+

[quiet wyvern]

it can cast convoek and then emberwing feather

[thorn plover]

what

[grizzled seal]

I made myself a sick spreadsheet

highly recommend

[slender gust]

Both, but I don't see how this is pertinent to the conversation

[grizzled seal]

can change spec and it shows what I have left

[quiet wyvern]

damn that's a lot of effort

[oak garnet]

You shouldn't have convoke and emberwing together in a macro

For m+

[quiet wyvern]

me and vro just made a 2 dimensional table with green and yellow

[grizzled seal]

Yeah I dont have a brain capacity to remember what I rolled on 3 characters

[slender gust]

If I don't macro it to something, it doesn't get used

[thorn plover]

heres mine

[sudden rover]

how are we dream of cenariusing on this beautiful evening

[thorn plover]

that wasnt meant to be a reply

[grizzled seal]

very proud of this one

[quiet wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[slender gust]

That's really fucking stupid lol. IDK why Clicked lets you order things to groups if it doesn't respect ordering

[thorn plover]

they definitely execute in order

[grizzled seal]

if you are not on gcd

which is not guaranteed

it will go down a list until it lands on a spell it can execute

and then queue another one right after

[thorn plover]

it stops at the first one it can, if its on gcd

that is a very pretty spreadsheet

[slender gust]

So does this possibly explain why it gets clipped? If I end up spell-queueing into the Convoke macro?

[grizzled seal]

you get a trinket use after convoke

add /cqs in the end

[slender gust]

Clicked wants to put /cqs at the beginning of the macro for some reason. Do I need to just write this as a manual macro?

This is probably a @lyric surge question if they're around

[grizzled seal]

I think you just make a macro and bind it in clicked

[lyric surge]

yeah, pretty much

[slender gust]

Aight, manual macro it is until I no longer have to deal with this annoying on-use trinket, unless I should be binding the trinket to something other than Convoke anyway?

Like I thought about binding it to like Swiftmend or something so it's just getting used

I fucking hate on-use trinkets as a healer man

Gaze when?

[thorn plover]

<@&114146878353833984>

❤️

[spark river]

what was it this time

[thorn plover]

porn discord

[gentle nova]

Send me there

[spark river]

and im only here for mr beast crypto scams

smh

[bitter spire]

i literally just connect it to convoke because idrgaf and it doesn't seem to be treating me that bad

[carmine glen]

it might not've been porn, maybe those girls were beekeepers

[thorn plover]

good call

[bitter spire]

(ofc that's my best parse this entire season so, you know, I'm intentionally presenting flawed info and your mileage may vary)

[thorn plover]

i should have investigated

[west topaz]

listen

we can play with a footpedal

press footpedal for BIG SALVATION

[oak garnet]

I actually love emberwing

Like the on use throughput like a mini reck pot for m+

[oak gyro]

hello, quick m+ question.. why are some taking moonkin form + starfire for catweaving wildstalker build? are they using starfire in larger aoe and cat form in smaller packs/ST

[oak garnet]

Pulls / hps peaks pretty scripted

[glossy holly]

oh i wasnt fully aware u should put all hots except wg on LB target

hmm

cat form and caster form has nothing to do with each other

cat form is mainly to use that big cd thingy and bite or something

starfire at packs, moonkin form is technically a gain in dps but it a global stuff

• a point invested

[lone sentinel]

How to track Call of the Elder Druid?

[thorn plover]

arcui

[lone sentinel]

its an addon?

[thorn plover]

or just look at your debuffs

you get a debuff when its on cd

[glossy holly]

wouldnt cdm do that

under buffs

[thorn plover]

tracks when you have it, not when its on cd

[rustic copper]

No lol

[slender gust]

@rustic copper since you said no MS for the Regrowth playstyle, is Liveliness or EotD a better point?

[glossy holly]

liveliness is typically taken if u dont care about MS

[placid flax]

but my trinket

[sudden rover]

great question

[rustic copper]

liveliness imo especially if you are double rejuving in order to prep pandemic rejuvs

[gentle nova]

XD

[slender gust]

You're gonna have to slow down and explain that last bit

[gentle nova]

dw about it

[rustic copper]

advanced gameplay is to put 2 rejuvs on someone so that in the future you can cast rejuvs on those rejuvs to get longer rejuvs

dw about it

it's really hard to do properly

[gentle nova]

And then you do the same with rgs

[rustic copper]

rgs are easier to do

[slender gust]

Okay lol. Yeah you lost me a bit b/c I felt like there was a step in the middle I was missing

[gentle nova]

Yeah no double rg

[thorn plover]

Let's get people pandemicing lifebloom first

baby steps

[abstract ember]

Why do so many people take Haromnious blooming and should I take it instead ofnurturing dormancy for m+?

[glass crane]

what the fuck is pandemicing a rejuv

[still swan]

lmao

I pandemic rejuv right before I swiftmend it for a like 35sec rejuv xd

[oak garnet]

Taking lb terminology but applying to rejuv refresh window where you get added time from baseline spell obv

Right after it ticks

[rustic copper]

I think it is better to cast 2 rejuvs on the same ppl rather than spreading them out so that later on when you're ramping you can cast rejuvs on those players again instead of other people to get longer rejuvs instead of new ones

you're getting the same abundance seconds but less in the next few seconds and getting them back in the future

[still swan]

best way to track call of the elderdruid CD?

[thorn plover]

by not playing it

[still swan]

But I want to, it's fun

[thorn plover]

you can look at your debuffs

you have a debuff the entire time its on cd

or you can use arcui

[still swan]

i use arcui

[glass crane]

does refreshing a rejuv add like extra time over just casting a new rejuv? like in either case you're getting 17 more seconds of a rejuv right?

[thorn plover]

make a custom bar, timer, 1 minute, on gain of coted buff

[rustic copper]

so 23s either way but lets say I have 6 rejuvs out and they're at 10 9 8 7 6 5 seconds and I can either cast 6 more rejuvs on them in order or I can cast 6 new rejuvs, if I cast them in order and it takes 6 seconds of ticking down I end with 6 rejuvs at 27 26 25 24 23 22 seconds, if I cast 6 new rejuvs I end with 23 22 21 20 19 18 4 3 2 1

[spring fractal]

You are correct. A rejuv casted within pandemic window will simply add the existing rejuvs duration to the newly casted one.

[rustic copper]

you're losing abundance time by having more rejuvs up while you're not casting regrowth

[glass crane]

so you'd rather have a guaranteed 6 stack for x number of seconds instead of a 9-8-7-6-5-4-3 stack over the same duration

[rustic copper]

yeah kinda but it's not the main point

the main point is the timing, I want my abundance stacks to be as high as possible when I'm casting regrowth and i don't care about my abundance stacks when I'm casting rejuv

both methods are same avg abundance

creating new rejuvs is more abundance stacks for when you cast rejuv and they fall off for when you cast regrowth

[thorn plover]

niko youre going to blow peoples brains up

[glass crane]

this is more likely to create overhealing on the rejuv targets tho right

[rustic copper]

if you take the xample from earlier you spike to 7 8 9 10 abundance stacks and you're still casting rejuv

[rustic copper]

yes but rejuv is like tiny already

and it is more healing because of mastery

I think those factors cancel idk if you're more likely to overheal rejuvs because there's 2 or if the mastery is more important

what is an atonement like 4 rejuvs at least right

[spring fractal]

I am not confident if equal spread always looses to focused rejuv targeting. There is also stuff like wild growth randomness and mastery fall off that will make the equation very hard to predict.

[oak garnet]

Meanwhile I'm vibin with purfs addon just happy to be above 8 😎

[rustic copper]

that is not how mastery falloff works btw

[thorn plover]

do you focus your regrowths on those rejuv people then first too

[rustic copper]

more mastery stacks is always better

4 hots on 1 person heals more than 2 of those hots on 1 guy and other 2 on another

[oak garnet]

Rip tree wg

[rustic copper]

depends on the fight, it'm more thinking about debuffs, triage, etc.

[oak garnet]

Pour some out for old build

[rustic copper]

like on l'ura I am regrowthing the rejuv targets because they are holding seeds

[grizzled seal]

in that case overhealing will beat any mastery gains

[spring fractal]

Yeah but what's better a wild growth hitting 3 people with 2 rejuvs and 3 without or a wild growth hitting 6 people with 1 rejuv?

[thorn plover]

makes sense

[rustic copper]

getting rg initial healing is a priority

[gentle nova]

What wild growth man

We cast 2 a min

[rustic copper]

what wild growth

[sudden rover]

wtf was that convo about pandemic rejuv

I am not smart enough for this god damn

[gentle nova]

It doesnt matter for 99.9% of people

[urban bone]

I push the buttons, people die, you can’t explain that

[bronze meadow]

I feel like I'm missing something

I have +16 resil, but every key I heal feels soooo difficult, yet I watch people do 19s and up and they're doing it effortlessly, and I have roughly the same stats and build

Is there any good full in depth guides out there to heal high keys like that?

[thorn plover]

are you pugging

[bronze meadow]

yeah

[thorn plover]

thats problem 1

[gentle nova]

Show a log

[oak garnet]

In 18s most dps still absolutely don't know mechanics

I've had players not wall until 20% w double laser and wall off cd

[bronze meadow]

lemmie see if I have any recents

[oak garnet]

Wall at 20% is the standard 🙄

[gentle nova]

This is shit excuse

Acknowledge what you are doing wrong first before blaming others

Thats why you wont improve

[bronze meadow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FRWxZqmfY12N7JTP?fight=55&type=healing

[gentle nova]

Healers all they know is blame dps

🤣

[oak garnet]

Excuse for what?

[bronze meadow]

this was april 18th

[gentle nova]

You have low cpm

[oak garnet]

Not saying I brick the key and we wipe because of them. Just noticing a fairly common trend

[gentle nova]

You cast 48 spells a minute, thats pretty low, high downtime and abysmal gaps between gcds

[urban bone]

If you’re watching a coordinated team do 19s it will make it look easier than a pug ofc

[gentle nova]

Insanely low rg casts when it the spell that does the most healing

[bronze meadow]

0 deaths from rot though

[gentle nova]

Its the general excuse from healers to cope

Not saying specifically

“Dps are bad at mechanics” then you check the guy and has 3 rg cpm

[versed fiber]

both can be true

[gentle nova]

So

[bronze meadow]

I wasn't the one who said that but ok

[gentle nova]

Youre saying it feels hard to heal but its because youre casting the wrong spells and being afk from long periods of time

Cast more regrowths, use your global cooldowns in spells rather than doing nothing

[oak garnet]

Your overall also weird. Rg usually #1 and everbloom hps quite low

[gentle nova]

Only one that can be fixed by you

[versed fiber]

I mean I cant fix shit, Im old, but yes true

[oak garnet]

Seems like relying heavily on rejuv and TV to carry your people when they get low but in higher keys usually gotta have the hots already out and be slamming rg

[bronze meadow]

I think I just watched a vick guide and tried doing what he does and save sotf and tv for big bursts and the reason why I'm afk is just to make sure I'm getting the healing down before adding dmg cds into my rotation

[oak garnet]

In that scenario you'd be holding swiftmends or holding rejuv/rg

[bronze meadow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CJdNfVgpcnXRA3Qh?fight=last&type=healing&source=2

but that theory is debunked because he has 181 regrowths and 221 rejuvs so apparently I didn't take away anything from his video

[gentle nova]

Guy is playing with mdi players

Very representative

Vibes of dorki playing doc in pugs

[oak garnet]

Also your rejuv cpm was double his

Slight bias towards pressing rejuv in free globals when maybe something else may be better

[bronze meadow]

not a lot of other youtubers doing keys higher then 17 on youtube

[oak garnet]

Also why did you not have photosynthesis?

[grizzled seal]

Ehh I'd say it's important for tranq windows

You can go from 15 seconds 12 abundance window to 30 seconds one with proper pandemic ramp

You can practice on Lura since you tranq there on pull

[bronze meadow]

tbh idk it was 2 weeks ago, was a different story back then lol

[cerulean stratus]

do you guys self lb on lura if u have tanky crystal carriers

[grizzled seal]

I'm the crystal carrier on Lura

Only don't do it in the intermission

[bronze meadow]

this is what I have rn

[grizzled seal]

If you are confident in your ability to dodge glaives, it removes one healing target from the fight

Pretty massive

[oak garnet]

3 r druid m l'ura meta?

[bright swift]

it would unironically be the play if you don't need buffs

rdruid is completely broken

[grizzled seal]

You should definitely drop monks for druids if you can but I doubt people have 2 competent druids in their guild

[bright swift]

well you need monk buff

[grizzled seal]

But also druid is so good on Lura you might not need to be too competent

I sometimes play like an absolute monkey, then look at the meters in p2 and I'm 30k hps ahead

[oak garnet]

At near full mana 😎

[wraith herald]

looking at meters after intermission heal absorbs

[gentle nova]

Fake meters

[bronze meadow]

If I have

86 Crit
1.1k Haste
1,150 Mastery
65 Vers

what flask do I want?

[thorn plover]

haste

[bright swift]

the answer is always haste

[cerulean stratus]

also

do we heal the crystals specifically on lura

or is that a job for hpal monk

[bright swift]

depends on your comp

you do pretty ok on them

[cerulean stratus]

hpal monk disc

[bright swift]

you heal them a bit yeah

2nd one especially

just innervate your hpala and he basically solos first one

2nd one you need to help

[cerulean stratus]

hmm ok

[oak garnet]

I kind of have mythic raid fomo for m l'ura seems like a really fun fight for druid

[bright swift]

it's very fun yea

[thorn plover]

ill get there in a month

[grizzled seal]

P1 isn't that fun to heal

They nuked healing requirements there pretty hard

[bright swift]

yeah it's gotten pretty old now

nobody is really ever in danger

280 pulls in

lol

[cerulean stratus]

do the seeds come after the kicks in p1? trying to see if i can set something up in viserio

[bright swift]

kicks being done spawns the crystals yes

[cerulean stratus]

dope

[gentle nova]

Lura p1 aint fun

[cerulean stratus]

if lura is avg 250-300

then my guild will have a field day on it

lol

[gentle nova]

Runing and dodge simulator

Cant even cast rgs

[wraith herald]

become one with the glaive

[gentle nova]

The fight that has been more fun this tier unironically is paladins lmao

[grizzled seal]

It's not 250-300 lol

[thorn plover]

im really enjoying paladins too

but ready for it to be dead

[grizzled seal]

I'd say it's average 300-350

[cerulean stratus]

criminal

we'll take 400 then

[grizzled seal]

Dw you will farm 50 pulls an evening in p1

[cerulean stratus]

yea i told my guild

chill 2 min pulls

[grizzled seal]

2 mins is eating good

20s pulls are my favorite

[thorn plover]

average according to progstats is about 305

[grizzled seal]

Keep in mind that guild quality in top 30 is pretty high

[thorn plover]

yea

it will go up from now it

[grizzled seal]

Below that it deteriorates pretty fast

[thorn plover]

until it gets nerfed hard to average it out

i think youre pretty right at 350

[cerulean stratus]

at least it's the last boss

then its break time

[thorn plover]

i should kill paladins next week, probably alleria 2 weeks after that

i have a month before i see lura

[cerulean stratus]

prob a month and a half

[thorn plover]

6 hour guild

[cerulean stratus]

belor is hit or miss with guilds

[grizzled seal]

Beloren needs to be shot

Genuinely the worst penultimate boss in years

[thorn plover]

beloren should get significantly easier with the damage buff tho right

[bright swift]

Beloren's issue is the stacks

you need 2 healers with externals

[thorn plover]

it was designed to be a early mid tier boss according to the devs

[cerulean stratus]

well u get more damage buffs

[thorn plover]

so makes sense its shit

[cerulean stratus]

so you push p1 faster

[bright swift]

so you need 2 of disc/evoker/monk

or you can't kill the boss

[grizzled seal]

Nah you just stack in soaks now

Like heroic

[bright swift]

with everyone?

oh

[grizzled seal]

Yes

[bright swift]

haven't seen that

[grizzled seal]

There are kills doing that now

[bright swift]

both soaks ?

or split

[grizzled seal]

Don't remember but they are group soaking

You have to stop DPS anyway

[bright swift]

still don't understand why stacking soaks works

[gentle nova]

Who doesnt have 2 of those

[grizzled seal]

You aren't gonna be wiping to that

[bright swift]

non top 100 guilds run some weird shit man

[gentle nova]

I feel like the lower wr the guild is the more they go into
Meta comps

[grizzled seal]

You will wipe to people not soaking orbs, people soaking wrong orbs, quills moving, missing interrupts

[thorn plover]

we have holy priest, holy pally, rdruid, evoker

lol

[bright swift]

Yeah that doesn't work

see

[thorn plover]

and a monk ig too

[grizzled seal]

It does, just soak normally

[gentle nova]

It works

[thorn plover]

are people still 3 healing it

[grizzled seal]

You don't even have immunities for externals strat probably

[cerulean stratus]

chill gs from hpriest

[grizzled seal]

GS is better than PS yeah

[bright swift]

A 3 min cd btw

[cerulean stratus]

not sure if you 4 heal with more dmg buffs

maybe if u have a guardian druid

[bright swift]

Looks hard

[thorn plover]

brew/veng

[unique sedge]

Is it bad gameplay if i always keep 2 rejuvs on ppl in dungeons

[bright swift]

The healing requirement is not high

[thorn plover]

are you going oom

[bright swift]

Idk why you would 4 heal

[hallow fractal]

is the meme build dead?

[bright swift]

What meme build

[unique sedge]

If i play with liveliness, yeah, but recently i've been going master shapeshifter

[hallow fractal]

the kotg starfire

[cerulean stratus]

the bug got fixed

[grizzled seal]

Yeah with more buffs you surely still 3 heal

I can't imagine egg DPS gets much easier if you have dogshit comp for it

5% extra dmg is not gonna fix lacking augs and guardian druid

[cerulean stratus]

fried boss

[cerulean stratus]

do you have eles

[bright swift]

Vengeance dh is criminal

That shit is never good

[thorn plover]

fine then

[pallid dome]

Hi trees
Ive just swapped to playing VI in keys... do I always push my VI on my lifebloom (usually tank) or would I sometimes swiftmend someone else?

[thorn plover]

ya i like when he falls over for no reason

[bright swift]

Not only that

[thorn plover]

no dps

[bright swift]

You need buffs

[fervent mica]

veng dh is only playable when other dh specs are terrible... and they're currently broken op

[thorn plover]

if gear from new boss stays warband there gonna be some degen shit going on for loot in there

that neck

[gentle nova]

The neck that will be useful for heroic week

[rain saddle]

can you guys and girls share with me your UI please? I wanna see how you organase your action bars and unit frames

[sudden rover]

I have standard ui optimized for arena, nothing fancy. Oldschool

[thorn plover]

can it track doc

[sudden rover]

For the guys here that killed beloren mythic, can u explain the soaking mecha pls? In every video I watch the 2 soaks are on top of each other and only 2 guys come soak i dont understand

[thorn plover]

RIP

[timid hound]

What should we play now ?

No apex good again ?

[thorn plover]

no

lol

[pulsar kettle]

oh noooo (nothing changes)

[sudden rover]

Finally a dk nerf feelsgoodman, I hate this fucking class

[timid hound]

I think I’m going to drop apex

[thorn plover]

thats stupid

[bronze meadow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Cq4XM1BJntbfQ3r7?fight=last&type=casts&source=5

just did my own key to see, felt better, but looking at logs I feel like CPM could be higher for regrowth

[timid hound]

This is like insane nerf

[thorn plover]

no its not

its 5%

[timid hound]

I calculated 40% how did u get 5

[thorn plover]

10% less apex + 3%

10% of 20% is 2

[timid hound]

So 10% + 10% x 2

[pulsar kettle]

[timid hound]

40%

[thorn plover]

wut

[pulsar kettle]

myth please this is a vulnerable space

some people will take you seriously

[gentle nova]

Rip non source havers

[main timber]

Aura nerf makes sense but I wouldn't be touching Apex for a bit

[timid hound]

That’s what I was saying

[gentle nova]

Honestly make us shit again i love non fotm rdruid

[thorn plover]

hpal hpriest buffs again

[sudden rover]

A banger patchnote if i’m honest, only good nerfs and ups

[gentle nova]

Hpriest buffs are good

We like thise

[thorn plover]

nah i play with one

[spark river]

Doesnt seem too bad tbh

[thorn plover]

am i wrong at 5%?

[hollow gyro]

Too late, the spread of 40% misinformation has already started

[sudden rover]

Outlaw damage increase again, the only joke of the patch

Spec is already turbo broken

[pulsar kettle]

u do realize these are all nerfs right

[somber citrus]

Spreading the news. Resto Druid 40% nerf.

[sly pivot]

5% overall probably not too bad right, resto sham might overtake but eh boring spec

[gentle nova]

No

10% of 20% =2% + 3%

[thorn plover]

ok good

[lunar steppe]

Even at 5% nerf Druid still out HPS sham in keys

[pulsar kettle]

think critically for a second

[gentle nova]

Its not 5% in keys i think its less

Like 4

Eb is not doing 20% hps in m+

[thorn plover]

yes

agree

[somber citrus]

I had fun when the meta was to not use Apex. Reforestation was a fun talent.

[fervent mica]

said no one ever

[sly pivot]

Is 5% even noticeable in keys for healing, like maybe at 20s?

[spark river]

No

[gentle nova]

Tbh no apex might be close

[sly pivot]

Awesome

[gentle nova]

Lmao

Again

Very cool

[spark river]

Cant wait for the floodgates to open tomorrow

[gentle nova]

3 from tv 4 from embrace 4 from refo 2 from ws 2 from rh

[sudden rover]

Spinning mw left untouched, sad

[gentle nova]

15% vs 18

[lunar steppe]

What we run instead of apex…

[cerulean stratus]

perfect guardian druid nerf for guilds on belor

[marsh prism]

you load the puddle havers up with every external ever and have immunes soak

[gentle nova]

Waiiit

[hollow gyro]

Nance

[marsh prism]

GUMO

I just woke up

[gentle nova]

Its more like 17% from no apex

And apex is gonna do 18 ish now

[proven phoenix]

why did they knee jerk nerf apex

[fervent mica]

don't do it... its not worth it

[sudden rover]

Right ty

[gentle nova]

Ok back to no apex for me

[spark river]

You re still 3% off unc

[gentle nova]

No dont play rh

Play phosy and that enables verd

[marsh prism]

if you're on it there's a really good macro for target last target to external the person with your colour puddle (Ironbark) without having to find them

[gentle nova]

So 2 and 2

[cerulean stratus]

so like

now apex wont be 20% of your overall right

i kinda want back to no apex

[gentle nova]

4 from phosyverd 4 from embrace 4 from refo from tv

[sudden rover]

How pugable is this boss? I dont have a guild I do all my raiding stuff on my own creating pug groups😂

[marsh prism]

it is not puggable

[sudden rover]

word

[gentle nova]

16 ish

Vs 18

[marsh prism]

respect the hustle tho

[gentle nova]

And i can get tree procs for movement and mana

[sudden rover]

ty yeah fuck the politics of being in a guild tbh

[cerulean stratus]

belor nerfs

[marsh prism]

yeah guilds suck (I am the GM)

[sudden rover]

[echo sparrow]

Alright how bad were the nerfs number crunchers

[hollow gyro]

[sudden rover]

We are literally unplayable now, im rerolling mw as we speak

This is a mw meta boys

[glossy holly]

total of 5 in number apparently

[sudden rover]

Clear as day

[gentle nova]

In raid

[marsh prism]

?

[glossy holly]

MW does seem fucking busted

[gentle nova]

For m+ its less

[cerulean stratus]

girl read the notes

https://www.wowhead.com/news/massive-nerfs-to-mythic-alleria-and-belo-ren-with-weekly-reset-381506

[sudden rover]

Trolling aside, in keys im pretty sure it will overtake druid now

[marsh prism]

I tried to find on blue tracker.gg but I couldn't aee

[cerulean stratus]

they hit just in time

for the guardian nerfs

[obsidian bridge]

How big a nerf is this looking to be?

[gentle nova]

[spark river]

[glossy holly]

honestly i thought MW overtook resto long time ago

[thorn plover]

5%

[echo sparrow]

It can’t be that bad

[marsh prism]

10 more seconds interesting

[cerulean stratus]

ye

[echo sparrow]

5% is fine

[cerulean stratus]

now u can kill the boss

if u have 2 dead

[sudden rover]

Hello guys how big is the nerf

[thorn plover]

40%

[main timber]

Where did we get 5% nerf from anyway

[hearty scarab]

We back to no apex?

[spark river]

Purr estimate

[marsh prism]

no fucking clue I'm literally just ignoring that conversation

[thorn plover]

10% of 20% is 2%, + 3% aura

[spark river]

Feelycrafting the nerf

[main timber]

Where does the 10% come from

[thorn plover]

10% off everbloom

[main timber]

It's a 20% Everbloom nerf

[gentle nova]

Ok so its worse

No apex build rises

[gentle nova]

Can u explain

I dont get it

[marsh prism]

voulk runs a daycare

[pulsar kettle]

[marsh prism]

istfg

[gentle nova]

So if its 20% eb then its a 7% ish in raid

Gg

[main timber]

Yes it was 50 before, now it is 40. A 20% decrease in healing

[spark river]

Can we tell people its 5

[sudden rover]

Aug and outlaw discords are in shambles im laughing so hard

[echo sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/why-monkey-what-huh-confused-gif-3006908007927048834

[gentle nova]

So this translates to 4% overall eb hps assuming eb is doing 20% in raid?

[main timber]

Right

[gentle nova]

So its a 7% nerf

Good comms

[sly pivot]

Even with brew?

[main timber]

Somewhere around there

[cerulean stratus]

gg

[gentle nova]

So no apex is about the same healing as apex now

[narrow monolith]

Travesty

[main timber]

Probably should have just aura nerfed 5% instead and left Apex

I will send a note

[marsh prism]

ty voulk

[cerulean stratus]

nance

r u killing belor this week

[echo sparrow]

you guys are awesome! thank you for clearing everything up!! 🙂

[glossy holly]

its definitely interesting time with restos apex

[sly pivot]

Honestly thought healer balance was pretty good, if they just buffed the holys

[glossy holly]

first it was buffed then nerfed

[main timber]

I think Druid was a bit OP but this nerf is a bad approach

[fervent mica]

no apex is getting 3% too though?

[narrow monolith]

yes but the apex is nerfed more

[glossy holly]

well brew is kind of insane tank atm so idk if that affects healers standing right now

[main timber]

You just turbo buffed Apex to make sure it's taken, now you are risking that by nerfing it a lot

[marsh prism]

we could but our tank is moving house and has some rural Australia power troubles so it is looking less likely

[sly pivot]

Is this to balance team or something? Sorry I’m new

[main timber]

Do it in 12.1 if you feel you must

[main timber]

Yes

(They will ignore me)

[sly pivot]

Aussie Aussie Aussie

[half owl]

its my fault guys, I switched from pally to priest to druid lol

[marsh prism]

[main timber]

Also if you have to nerf an ability by 20% a week after reworking it, then maybe spend more time on the original iteration

[sudden rover]

Time to switch to boomy and blame my healer when I die in keys, rdruid unplayable now gg

[gentle nova]

Just comparing apex vs no apex

[pastel marsh]

isnt resto still the best healer in the game even with these nerfs

[undone bobcat]

they have no idea what they supposed to be doing with the apex talent

[sudden rover]

Nah mw clears

[fleet jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/nich-bad-nft-gif-23770085

[gentle nova]

Apex rn is 20% hps so thats 4% nerf from it.

Apex 16% hps

Non apex is : 4% embrace, 4% tv, 4% refo, 4% phosy/verd

Roughly

[abstract tulip]

wait so ive been nerfed?

[main timber]

Not until next week

[abstract tulip]

ah

[merry nexus]

anyone want a little addon that makes a warning sound at 4.5s of lifebloom? ty ai 🙂
is it ok to post it here?

[fervent mica]

what apex build didn't take phosy?

[abstract tulip]

well i got some good logs from this week so ill just ride on that high

[thick summit]

anyway see yall in .7 when they buff apex again 🙂

[lyric surge]

Someone already did that

[sly pivot]

Still time to close the discord people, we can do it

[merry nexus]

theirs is probably better ngl

😛

[vast rapids]

Let’s all commit to going apex-less build again. That way blizzard will buff it again

[thorn plover]

yeah youre right, my bad

[sly pivot]

I was looking at historical M+ leaderboards and it looks like besides DF S2, meta healer usually Druid or priest - is that right?

[vast rapids]

On a serious note it was kinda strong in raid but this nerf hits M+ way too hard

[sudden rover]

I mean we were crack broken in keys

We deserve a nerf lets be honest

[thorn plover]

its not that much in m%

like 4 or 5%

[abstract tulip]

i still get sweaty in keys

need to leave me alone

[desert kayak]

most unserious note

[gentle nova]

How much does eb do in m+

10?

[thorn plover]

13%

[sudden rover]

More or less yeah

[abstract tulip]

my husband said he logged a bunch of keys ill see if they ever uploade

[desert kayak]

yeah 10% ish

[vast rapids]

It comes in clutch with burst healing though

[gentle nova]

So its 2% off that

Plus the aura nerf

Its nothing

[sudden rover]

Yeah we are fine lol

But mw is meta i believe now, we r number 2

[gentle nova]

Youre right

So its more in favour of apex

[hardy canopy]

good comms but

[gentle nova]

For apex to do 20% you needed 5 points

[hardy canopy]

brm survivability was nerfed

so you need ironbark

!

[gentle nova]

So in no apex you just get 5 points elsewhere

Add them up

[sudden rover]

Meh

Maybe yeah idk

[gentle nova]

Do they add 16% or more than 16%

[glossy holly]

wasnt apex 4 points

[thorn plover]

its gonna be so close on non apex again

[gentle nova]

5, you are forced to take phosy

If you dont play apex you can pick other talent

[gritty nova]

phosy was good with no apex, it's almost 5% counting verdancy does nothing without it

[fervent mica]

refo, embrace, tv... ws?

[sudden rover]

Ysera for the win

Its ysera time boys

[glossy holly]

ws talent is useless in keys tho

[fervent mica]

no ones talking about keys.

[rustic copper]

lol they didn’t nerf druid by enough

[fervent mica]

this change basically doesn't effect them

[sly pivot]

I ain’t grinding crests on another toon for keys they could nerf it by 50% im still pressing rejuv

[gentle nova]

Youre not swapping apex off keys

[abstract tulip]

i wanted to do the dream of cenarius spec and just dps the entire time in raid and see how much healing it does. has anyone done that yet?

[rustic copper]

Can’t stop winning

[glossy holly]

well excuse me

[gentle nova]

4% off apex

Thats enough to make the non apex build playable again xd

[sly pivot]

The way parses work does that mean it’s harder to get a good raid parse post nerf generally? Even with gear slightly improving?

[gentle nova]

Joke company

Nah you will get a stacking buff everyweek

Shorter fights etc

More ilvl

[sly pivot]

Ah right and the new gear stuff soon hey

[still swan]

Your best parse is still out there

[tulip nexus]

apex still gonna be op in keys

[sly pivot]

I’m trying to get semi decent heroic parses so I can look competitive for a guild starting into mythic prog. I know most people here do mythic so sounds silly

[thick summit]

one day this discord will know peace when it comes to talent selection

today is not that day

[sudden rover]

That’s deep

[glossy holly]

entire time'' is dependent on having a lot of haste in gear setup and team players not stepping in shit

[rustic copper]

Non apex build wasn’t ever playable

Let’s be reel

This was the true build since day 1

[still swan]

https://tenor.com/view/beard-waterfall-stroke-pensive-thinking-thoughtful-man-canada-beard-waterfall-man-stroking-beard-stroking-beard-gif-12069388

[abstract tulip]

like in a 5man?

[rustic copper]

And I just didn’t see it in time

[glossy holly]

yeah m+

0 clue what happens for raid

[abstract tulip]

that would be fun to try

bring a warlock they can all have cookies

[urban kestrel]

of course we have an 8% wipe on beloren and get fucking floored by that boss

then they remove the egg phase dps check...

[cerulean stratus]

well they also nerfed guardian

and a couple of other dps specs

[urban kestrel]

I mean they didnt nerf anyone to the degree of like 20%

which is about how much easier that dps check is with 33% more time

[glossy holly]

oh i should also mention, cenarius heals arent smart heals so dont expect that dps=heal to be healing that often for ppl who are dying

[gentle nova]

Who cares man

Enjoy your free kill

Last boss only shit that matters

[glossy holly]

though starfires at pack is funny, lots of heals in just few casts

[cerulean stratus]

thats also tru ye ur alr playing a nerfed version

of belor

[urban kestrel]

I mean that boss has already been nerfed like 5 times

it was nerfed after 2 kills lol

[gentle nova]

So

[cerulean stratus]

either way guilds were not getting to 2nd egg as it was

[urban kestrel]

but idk 5% egg hp kinda pales in comparison to 30% more time on egg

[gentle nova]

More time on egg means more hps

Be happy

[urban kestrel]

yeah I will say its surprising how hard it is to get people to do basic mechanics like "walk into an egg of your color so the other person can stand on the quill"

[cerulean stratus]

so like

first u gotta get past those to see the egg

we saw 2nd egg like 4 times then killed it

rest of pulls ppl got moped by orbs

and quills

[urban kestrel]

yeah honestly at this point, I'd say 3 tanking or 4 healing it might be a real angle and you just put that new tank/healer on full time orb duty

[hardy canopy]

pretty sure they compensate post apex nerf with rj and rg buffs

it's easy to perform decently in raid playing around apex

[urban kestrel]

they'd have to nerf us more for that, but yeah I think abundance is the more rewarding gameplay loop

than slam on cd

[abstract tulip]

do you guys just ignore the DK tank in m+ keys? they give me heart attacks

like how do i know if they will heal themselves?

[bold monolith]

whats everyone doing for bracers? for some reason i have void skinned (crit/haste) and frenzyroot from aa is somehow not an upgrade on qe live

[gentle nova]

Check runic power

If they are low they cant

[abstract tulip]

oh thats good tip

i dont think my unit frames shows that though

[hardy canopy]

i don't think you can track runic power anymore

[thin notch]

you can

[hardy canopy]

oh ye you just enable class resource tracking

[abstract tulip]

ah i see it!

[drifting timber]

How hard is the ever bloom nerf?

Minor or significant

[urban kestrel]

you can put them on focus to track rp, since we dont have focus kicks anymore anyways

but not on raid frames easily at least

or you have to turn it on for everyone instead of just healers

[fleet jewel]

~4% of overall

[gentle nova]

4% eb nerf in raid, 7% total

Roughly

[exotic zephyr]

I've gotten chest, hands, and good ring bonus rolling npx. Should I stop rolling once I get the weapon? Or stop rolling now and start going for heroic raid trinkets and mythic alnseer trinket?

I have 4 sparks so I can craft a weapon still.

[glass crane]

m+ rdruid getting nerfed bc of raid rdruid, how the tables have turned

[gentle nova]

Its less of a nerf in m+ tho

[glass crane]

yes but rdruid wouldn't have gotten nerfed at all if eb wasn't doing 20% in raid

[lunar steppe]

Same as disc

[lyric sage]

For m+ its a big nerf? or we are fine?

[lunar steppe]

Feels bad

[fleet jewel]

balance team throwing darts

[glossy holly]

its not that big in m+

[gentle nova]

Its a 20% nerf off everbloom total hps, and 3% nerf aura

[urban kestrel]

wild how mw and disc got to go crazy for almost 2 months but druid is nerfed in 2 weeks

[fleet jewel]

wasnt apex rework tuned down like 4 during ptr?

[gentle nova]

So if eb is doing 10% in m+ its about 2% nerf to eb plus the 3% aura

[fleet jewel]

[thick summit]

I’ll be contacting the Etsy witches to nerf spinning crane kick

[urban kestrel]

tuned down? they just randomly assigned numbers up and down to the ptr every 3 days for a month

then just released it while cranking ti

[fleet jewel]

[glossy holly]

bonus rolling for specific trinket in raid costs 2 coins each week

so its really, up to u

u may get those chase items from m+ sooner than u get the item from raid

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[exotic zephyr]

ty

[urban kestrel]

would they have nerfed us in raid if not for also being dominant in m+? (honestly im ok with these nerfs because I was convinced we just werent going to get a tier set next tier if they let us stay like this)