resto

[knotty goblet]

Nurturing dormancy I don't take right now

[rustic copper]

If your group needs it then do it

It’s expensive

[hollow pond]

do we think up to dragons and chim are rough to pug on mythic?

[rustic copper]

Chim is easy, first 3 voidspire are easy, dragons are a decent step up

[thorn plover]

Chim is easy pug

[oak garnet]

Chim one shot is not out of the question

Got my trinket tho so ✌️

Back to pugging m+ with tanks that have no business in dungeons

[restive kettle]

Heroic isn't always easy in a pug 😂

[thorn plover]

Lol invite better pugs

I pug myth every tuesday

[oak garnet]

I tell them to have the other healer rescue bc no shot he beats me on the meters

Druid op on that fight

[rustic copper]

Disc and rdruid should not do the rescue because our ramp will be on the other side

[spark river]

yeah but like 50k on that fight is just not counted cause of the absorb

[tough frigate]

What's the fastest method for delves? Resto + DPS valeera is pretty ridiculous already, I've seen people suggest tank valeera and basically pull the whole zone, but I've not really had any joy with that

I guess guardian + DPS could be faster?

[echo token]

Why are top raid parses on wildstalker?

[spark river]

Because everyone plays wildstalker?

[echo token]

lol ok

[silk ice]

Apex got buffed to the moon

And WS is great at stacking healing amps to juice the apex

[echo token]

i see ty

[pastel yoke]

so with the tips i made this on heroic rn

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K6NBTDx4R3q8Ghnw?fight=18&type=healing

[high hawk]

anyone else seeing blizzard buffs when using grid? can't figure out how to turn them off

[west topaz]

to have one friend and do delves with them and valeera is anything you guys arent

[tough frigate]

Friends? What's one of those? This is a multiplayer game?

I kid ofc

[west topaz]

millions of players and all of them doin delves solo is wack

we even made torghast bearable with friends

[tough frigate]

I do most of my WoWing on the couch on a laptop solo with the TV on so I can pretend to be social with my other half rather than hiding in my office 😂

[west topaz]

o i like that too

parallel play is usually the term for people in same area but doing other stuff

[tough frigate]

Yeah, both neurodivergents too - the parallel play really helps for both of us

[spark river]

Good job, but lets improve that further as you have some fundamental mistakes still.

You have only 34% lb uptime which is very bad and 6/7 lb casts were bad as they werent in pandemic or refreshing 3 stacks. Get lifebloomalert addon to help you out with this as our lifebloom is vital due to our apex.

Your cpm is very bad at only 2. Our swiftmend is probably our most important spell due to being connected with soul of the forest. You should cast swiftmend on cd and look to be at around 4.5 cpm at least.

Out of only 11 casts of swiftmend only 6 were on the person who had lb. You should extend lb and 2 rejuvs on a person with swiftmend on cd.

Your average abundance is very bad at 6.5. You should aim for your average abundance on a fight to be around 10. Its pivotal for our regrowth spam and mana management. Ramp up to 12 abundance and then spam regrowth until you fall to 6 and cycle again.

Your overall cpm should improve to be >50.

[pastel yoke]

where do i see the cpm on logs

[spark river]

Casts tab

[pastel yoke]

my cpm currently is not counting the 0.9 casts etc is 41

in total it 47.2

so getting close

to 50

[pastel yoke]

will apply these tipps as much as i can in the next session

[quick jasper]

Seems like tokens is the only option?

[spark river]

Small improvements each raid and you ll get there eventually

[spark river]

Yeah looks like a bonus roll

[zealous hill]

Anywhere I can see dungeon guide for m+ healing

[haughty ibex]

did y figure it out cuz i have same and it annoys me

[sudden rover]

vickman's youtube channel, there is a guide in there I think

only thing u need

[spark river]

Watch vickman, jb, roiben

[pallid knot]

Hi guys, is it viable to use 2 arcanowave lining if you have already a mythic staff ? Im not sure what to do when we can get our weapons to 298 ilvl, should i keep the crafted staff and upgrade it to 295 or get 298 staff with 2 arcanoweave

[spark river]

Yes

2 arcanoweave is the way after you switch out the staff

[rustic copper]

It’s better to upgrade a mythic staff but you should be focused on getting ilvl for the myth achievement and crafting isn’t good for that

[pallid knot]

Im assuming the nexus staff then ?

[spark river]

Nexus, aa, skyreach are all good

[pallid knot]

Alright thank you guys

[thorn plover]

Whatever guide you end up on, ignore when they talk about 31% haste

[spark river]

but thats clearly the hard cap

[fair shadow]

31% haste is hard cap?

[spark river]

no

im memeing

[kind star]

Perfect way to misinform ppl lurking haha

[sudden rover]

it does not matter, might as well meme

vickman is clearing very high keys with this 31% stuff

[spark river]

vickman can also clear very high keys with a range of percentages on his gear

Which is why it proves that aiming for a single number as gospel is dumb

I mainly meme with purr and not on serious questions

[sudden rover]

might be dumb but it does not make the slightest difference

[main timber]

There is no reason to guide people toward nonsensical advice

Also you would be surprised what people will do to their gear if they think there is a special number

[silk ice]

They cite the gcd not going down significantly, and cast times and energy regen not changing much past that magical number fwiw

[main timber]

Yeah this is kind of my point. 30->31 and 31->32 are identical in this area

At this point I am convinced they only included it because they knew it was moronic and as such would generate conversation

[wise galleon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6ZCc2zVD3xyJQWNK?fight=last&type=casts&source=5&view=timeline

SoT +17, having big isssue healing backstab + void expulsion because targeted spells wont announce backstab since its an instant. Specifically I'm looking at the healing of the mage, it felt like I was healing him but he just died. Idc if he pressed def, just want to know how to heal this pull correctly. Double reju on everyone and keep big cds for each void expulsion?

[main timber]

Also those aren't even the only key reasons to play haste on druid anyway

[silk ice]

Honestly, the biggest thing I’ve learnt is that he really likes the emote here

[celest zinc]

man SEAT Viceroy is something different to heal

Christ I was struggling hard, not a single global was left unused and people were DYYYYING

This was a +13 key aswell. I'm thinking I should have maybe been spamming more regrowths or something.

[bold grail]

Who had the best “how to raid heal as a resto Druid” guide?

[dense lantern]

not a single global was left unused
well I suggest pressing better globals then

Your LB is incredibly low

You're also probably never pressing swiftmend

[celest zinc]

oh swiftmend was used, but maybe I should have prioritized regrowths for swiftmend?

[spark river]

These guides are mostly outdated. POV videos from the latest tier is probably the best way to learn.

From high ranked players ofc

Phased video on questionably epic is very educational

You should check it out

[inner lava]

yeah that fight hits hard , try to use convokes and tranq during the tentancles or the boss' own suck , the phase where you gather in the middle is not that difficult to heal bare

[pulsar kettle]

def checkout phaseds videos

and bug him to make more

[kind star]

I think I might have to put an audio queue on SM while I get used to using it on CD, helped alot with LB.

[spark river]

I have one on swiftmend also

Definitely very important

[feral hedge]

So I have been bonus rolling nexus point, got the BiS chest and the crit/hsate ring so far. Now I got the BiS weapon in vault from nexus. Would you guys say its worth to take it and start bonus rolling somewere else?

[kind star]

coming back from losing lb/2x rejuv on LB target really sucks to get back from

[celest zinc]

tentacles is crazy hard phase for me. But I'm beginning to think I'm healing wrong by keeping everyone in the team fully hotted up.

I'm watching a guy doign SEAT 15 as resto and this guy is juggling 4-7 rejuvs. Also his team is taking nearly as much damage as my team so I wonder what this is. Is it because my hots just dont do anything because of my low gear level.

I can't even imagine sending a wrath ball at anything while this guy in the video keeps doing that on bosses 😄

I also STRUGGLE with mana 😄

[rustic copper]

You haven’t gotten the main item you want which is the haste mastery ring

[eternal current]

Good afternoon all, i need your help... Which trinket would you choose?

[glossy holly]

vaelgors

[alpine talon]

For me and my stats, MT and Crafted ring is better than Xenas ring.

Im bonus rolling MT now for that as I crafted ring this week. Just depends on what you need, you can use upgrade finder to see where your biggest upgrades are and can calculate the chance of getting the item you want/other items there for ugprade.

But you also have a bigger chance of getting Xenas ring than MT ring since you've been rolling xenas, so have to take that into consideration

[livid hearth]

So i read larias guide to learn if crafting myth gear or upgrading current myth pieces. Seems like after 2 embellishments always upgrade myth gear? Since with hero gear upgrade to 6/6 it will cost 80 nyth crest to 6/6 myth while it costs 80 myth crest to craft 285?

[feral hedge]

Started gearing the druid last week. Might aswell use both bonus rolls in Xenas still. If I bonus roll the weapon, I can just take 6 tokens and get another bonus roll

[inner lava]

well surely if your gear is low that effects , but try not to waste soul of the forests when nothing is going on , dont drop lifebloom and move it to people that needs more healing. It can also depend on your people , maybe they don't use any defensive or more fragile classes compared to dk,dh need more attention

[alpine talon]

General idea is to wait to take vaults if you're bonus rolling that place btw as general heads up

[glossy holly]

viceroy is just a bullshit boss from healers point of view

there is going to be differences between parties& how and what cd's they got

[celest zinc]

This guy in a video (who has better gear etc) is pumping 125k hps with barely healing and doing dps while I'm spamming like a crazy person for 80k hps

[kind star]

I wish we could see party cooldowns

[glossy holly]

got same setup as him?

talent wise that is

from what i've been experiencing, dream of cenarious is just a crazy dps heal synergy

it may not have smart heals but damn it got a lot of heal output

[sacred wasp]

what do you actually do once the damage comes out? we can probably uncover where you're going wrong with a fundamentals check. a log would help too

[inner lava]

yeah dps build is not very good against bosses

[celest zinc]

I'm trying to hot up the team in preparation to the damage and then support with regrowth

oftentimes its not enough and I'll have to convoke and/or tranq

[sacred wasp]

that fight's on a 1m rotation so you can safely commit every convoke to that tentacle phase, that's what i do since the mass void infusion + suck in aren't super difficult to heal

[celest zinc]

I should record myself in a key and log the key right?

[sacred wasp]

that would be good, what ilvl are you also?

[celest zinc]

I'm 259, +10s are piece of cakes, and +13 was IMPOSSIBLE

[sacred wasp]

had you done a 12 before that 13?

[kind star]

80k hps tho sounds low for that ilvl no? as theres decent dmg there

[inner lava]

you are a bit low geared obv but it shouldnt be impossible to do

[celest zinc]

I did a +12 POS (+++) no sweat whatsoever.

[inner lava]

yeah some dungeons are easier than the others

[sacred wasp]

yeah but 12 POS doesn't have the healing req of a seat

seat and POS are on polar opposites of the spectrum in healing difficulty actually

so that would check out

[celest zinc]

12 POS was super easy, so I figured I could do SEAT 13 with max focus

[sacred wasp]

259 in a 13 seat is a combo where you're expected to heal effectively

with higher gear you could monkey through it

[celest zinc]

I decided to do this to improve

Watch this +15 SEAT commentary video and really pay attention

Record and log myself doing a SEAT 10-12 for later analysis

[glossy holly]

PoS is like short burst compared to seat though

[sacred wasp]

that is a good plan

[celest zinc]

I'll be back with actual evidence of my poor performance for public roasting

[kind star]

PoS is like the easiest one to heal I think right? at least from what I can tell from the little ive done so far.

[inner lava]

those people doing 15s have max gear , and probably bis stats too , don't be discouraged by it. Ofc they would be throwing wraths or can easily heal with wildgrowth and some rejus cuz they have better gear

their party also has better gear

surely its possible with your gear too and you probably are doing some things wrong but yeah don't just 1:1 compare it to yourself

[sacred wasp]

i think it is yeah, up til the 2nd boss im mostly starfiring

[glossy holly]

its bit like comparing ur dps to the top pushing m+ team

[kind star]

gonna finally lock in and step into 10s tonight :3 I know its not hard, im just hard on myself + pugging can be hell.

[glossy holly]

yeah....

im not particular fan of heal m+ style unless i overgear it

with pugs

[kind star]

yeah kinda same here, I didnt do m0 until like 240+

[inner lava]

healing is actually harder on lower keys with people pressing nothing and eating up every avoidable damage

[glossy holly]

oh yes i've noticed

AA last boss was almost nightmare

at +2

[kind star]

A seat group that didnt know how to get to the dungeon.... and also didnt know mechanics of 2nd boss D:

hunter rapid firing extra packs left and right D:

[inner lava]

i also always start seat with a ''remove your chains by pressing these buttons'' tutorial

[sacred wasp]

i went into an npx 12 to burn my reroll token and the number of mana batteries that blew up was kinda insane 😭

[inner lava]

even on 17s people don't know how their talents work

[kind star]

gonna get some guildies to help me out at least tonight, since its my first raid tomorrow, its only heroic at least. Im like 250 atm.

[inner lava]

yeah...i accepted that they would be missing 1 so i just hold for it but sometimes they miss 2 together...

[glossy holly]

swiftmend in particular is a lot like ''oh shit i need that emergency swiftmend button on him''

instead of hitting it in cd

[kind star]

everytime id need it as emergency already on CD

sotf ns regrowth slaps hard btw sheeesh with spread RG.

[sacred wasp]

you should be swiftmending close to on cd

unless you have a ramp for a mechanic planned

[kind star]

got work to do on that in my case tho, but its hard to get in my brain with the output of dmg in low keys.

[inner lava]

yeah the actual power comes from the soul of the forest that swiftmend provides

swiftmend alone is w/e

[kind star]

oooh I dont even know about those chains 😅

[sacred wasp]

yeah if you're holding SM for emergencies then you're missing out on hot coverage and everbloom procs, two things that makes healing a lot easier

[merry mulch]

Can non-engineers equip

[inner lava]

you can remove it by changing form , almost every class have a removal for it too

[kind star]

SM doesnt really do all that much healing anyways right, never really looked at the numbers tho just feelscraft

[kind star]

oh the big subjugators guys do that

[inner lava]

yes in the first boss area and after that in the right side

[kind star]

ill be mindful of this good to know, im still winging it and dont know all the mechanics yet.

[dry ice]

I've legit caught flak for us rotting to the mana battery dot if they dont die in lower keys. When a healer has to start with "so if you open your death log...." You about to get schooled

[rustic copper]

Healers heal

[kind star]

I miss tracking party cd just to talk shit to those dps or yell in chat to use it rofl

[gentle nova]

We crafting engi boots wrists and helm

[rustic copper]

Cease

Maybe engi wrists

[gentle nova]

150 haste each

[rustic copper]

Depends if I want to do algethar or not

But we’re crafting gloves and belt

[dry ice]

Want is a strong word

[rustic copper]

My boots are haste mastery leech

[neon charm]

Hey, I just wanted to ask if anyone else is having a timer issue with Rejuvenation and Germination or if I'm being special. Both those HoTs' timers are off in multiple unit frame addons....they fall off with 3 seconds left. But not always. It's a bit hard to explain, or rather, there isn't a lot of rhyme or reason to it but it's in dungeons, in party.

[rustic copper]

It’s a bug with the timing of nd and extending the hot some other way, there is no fix and it’s not an addon issue

The hot actually disappears at 3s

[grizzled seal]

Still 1 mil for haste/mastery boots on EU

I am not buying that shit

[rustic copper]

Now add leech

[feral hedge]

So this is my current gear. Any advice on what to craft? The cloak is a vers/mastery cloak. Saw alot of people crafting cloak, byt wouldnt that be kinda a waste for me at this point? I will go for bracers for sure

[grizzled seal]

Why the fuck would I want leech

[rustic copper]

Idk

[neon charm]

Thanks, I was expecting it was a me issue. I mean I'm not happy to hear, but happy I don't have to redo my entire UI or something.
Is this old?

[rustic copper]

It’s been a bug for as long as nd has existed afaik

[bright swift]

I should enchant avoindance actually

[hot halo]

would it be worth it to craft the chestpiece and add mark of magister instead? or nah?

[rustic copper]

Just use voidcores nexus point until you get the chest ring and weapon

[hot halo]

haste is at 1090, mastery 1227, crit at 167 and verse is 172 atm

[rustic copper]

Also what is that, an off brand embellishment?

[hot halo]

idk I took whatever wowhead said at the time xD

[grizzled seal]

off brand LMAO

[molten gull]

just finished my first +15. how much hps do you think you should be doing overall in a 15?

[hot halo]

are they lyin?

[rustic olive]

As much as is needed to keep people alive

[neon charm]

I think that massively depends on how interrupts and avoidance are handled in your group, if there's passive offhealing (or active offhealing) and how high DPS is when it matters. I'm not sure there's a good answer. And what Salely said.

[rustic olive]

Going to be relative to dungeon and interrupts and what not

[rustic olive]

Great minds

[molten gull]

yes of course but im more looking to gauge how m group is doing lol

[rustic olive]

Are you timing keys? Are people dying a lot?

[molten gull]

i did 100k overall on the dot for a +15 MT and we had a few deaths but i think they were to people screwing up

kinda hard to tell when you're treading water trying to salvage some slop

[rustic olive]

DPS issue honestly

[gentle nova]

Its the chest enchant

Noob

[half star]

Isn't the question in reference to mark of magister ?

[dense lantern]

this is a pointless metric

[half star]

The chest enchant recommended in wowhead is correct obviously

[molten gull]

word. i do think I learned something tho.. i was dispelling the root which i dont think i should have because then more important stuff came out to dispel that i was out of resources for

[half star]

Oh I see mark of magister is an off brand chest enchant - I also was confused because it sounded like you wanted to craft with mark of magister (sounded like embel)

[molten gull]

getting there re gear for this m+ only andy

need some new bracers pretty bad tho

[gentle nova]

Re enchant the chest

Youre losing like 50 int or some shit

[rustic copper]

[molten gull]

all the top m+ rdruids seem to use this one tho????

[rustic copper]

I thought they were embellishing a chest with something other than arcanoweave

[molten gull]

or at least they were last time i checked

seems to be a mix now

[gentle nova]

If a top m+ druid jumped off a cliff you would too

[molten gull]

you bet your ass i would

[spark river]

yes

if i had 31% haste

[gentle nova]

What about

67 haste

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-crin-crine-crine-meme-cry-emojis-gif-12358184109200837068

[glossy holly]

does those top m+ restos do cat dps with wildstalker

[celest zinc]

what is this?

[gentle nova]

Mount form

[celest zinc]

how do I get it

[mossy walrus]

Exactly what it is

[gentle nova]

Hope it helps

[fierce isle]

Focus really hard and then turn into a mount

[celest zinc]

I dont have that in my spellbook

😄

[glossy holly]

it may have been related to an item

but i cant recall if im even close to the truth

[gentle nova]

Its in moonglade

[mossy walrus]

Hint you have a spell to go there

[molten gull]

hmm they do still seem to be cat talented (at least the top one)

[glossy holly]

top 50 seems mostly of wildstalker specced but idk

[mossy walrus]

Check the general vendor there

[molten gull]

yea i guess the doc build isn't suitable for the highest keys?

[silk ice]

It just lets someone mount you, some people are into that.

[glossy holly]

i mean that depends

a lot of ppl are also speccing into doc

[wise galleon]

anyone know of an addon to remind me of talent tree?

[mossy walrus]

I use it a lot to have a landlocked travel form and that look great 😄

[mental breach]

Hi, as a resto druid where shall I use my bonus loot and for what item?

[molten gull]

does the enchant ring eyes of the eagle need more consideration? we don't spec crit but thats because we get a lot of passive crit, right?

and it just amplifies crit

[spare sand]

todays bonus rolls

[main timber]

Didn't look close

To good

[molten gull]

cool

good to know! i just saw a post on reddit about it for other specs

was wondering if it was relevant to rdruid

[glossy holly]

i dont think a lot of spells gets crit benefits other than regrowth

[molten gull]

yeah that makes sense. and regrowth in m+ at least isn't really the bread and butter

[main timber]

It is mostly just good for dps specs

For healing it is half value

[molten gull]

oh wow didn't know that

[main timber]

I think holy priest and shaman can wear it and see value

Value being +50 hps

The other issue for druid is that haste and mastery are both extremely good

So it has firmer competition

[silk ice]

Do Crit heals have a lower multiplier?

[rigid mirage]

yo dumb question

can you pull raid stuff in the m+ spots in the vault

[silk ice]

No

[rigid mirage]

kk tyvm

[silk ice]

[main timber]

No they are just wired up differently

If you ping me in 5hrs I'll explain

[silk ice]

😮

[tough frigate]

I hope I get the same when I do my runs shortly, or the chest

But I bet I return with sadness instead

[celest zinc]

do you think its worth turning this chest into tier piece which has crit?

[fair lava]

not if u have 4 tier covered in the other slots but can also check QElive to see which setup is more hps in simulation

[proven phoenix]

do not turn this into tier

this is your bis chest

you will never unequip this

[celest zinc]

I have crappy shoulders, Im thinking I wait for new shoulders and then make them be the 4th set piece

[proven phoenix]

yes

just dont catalyse that chest

[celest zinc]

ok thanks buddy for the advice

[uneven pilot]

Given this eq and a myth oh in vault, where do I go spend 4 rolls (5 if skip myth oh)? Any opinions?

I also have 4 sparks avalible

[celest zinc]

npx for rings and staff?

alot of dupe tho

[uneven pilot]

NPX is a strong contender

[spark river]

guess who got a set chest on their bonus roll from dreamrift guys

cursed i swear

[frosty canyon]

Once we get Mgaze we don't really need much else from chimmy do we?

[glass crane]

holy fuck it is annoying to play caster druid without blooming infusion

[hardy fern]

Are we supposed to use potion of recklessness

For mythic raid

[proven phoenix]

yeah

[hardy fern]

Oops

[proven phoenix]

lights potential isnt bad either I would just never use mana pots

they're awful

[thorn plover]

Same 🫪

Was your vault useful atleast

[late jackal]

How bad is it?

[storm portal]

Hi guys, im trying to figure what are the bests talent for healing in plus and i see ppl changing every dungeon or so

Someone can explain me why and maybe link some goodnbyild?

[kind star]

been using the ones on wowhead

[glass crane]

feel like I'm doing 20-30k less dps

if they fix starfire cleave % this spell is dead

[thorn plover]

The one on wowhead will be good for 90+% of content
There might be some builds that vary by key at high levels, but you'll figure that out yourself as you play to that level

[thorn plover]

What would you like to see them do with this spec as a whole, for dps

[gentle nova]

Buff cat

[thorn plover]

That's my preference too

[spark river]

took a bonus roll from vault and got skyreach weapon with leech

so that one was decent

[thorn plover]

Better than a dead vault

[late jackal]

Yikes

[spark river]

yeah i have a weapon to upgrade it to 298 so its good

[viscid zenith]

Any numbers on like the nerf?

[storm portal]

They don't use improve swiftmend? The regenerative hearthwood is better?

[proven phoenix]

its not a nerf

well technically it is

[thorn plover]

Yes RH is better

[proven phoenix]

but there are no healing numbers for the nerf because it didnt do anything for healing

[glass crane]

blooming infusion bug was the only thing that made starfire "good"

otherwise it's just an aoe spell in line with every other healer aoe

[hot lily]

For keys, is dropping NB or ND for 2 TV worth? I’ve been following the wowhead rec talent set up for now but wanted to see if I could optimize

[fierce isle]

🤞

[glass crane]

the infusion fix cut my doc healing in half

[bright swift]

[spark river]

doc is dead

spread the word

[spark river]

this is such perfect timing

i love it

[glass crane]

they need to buff starfire by 40% again

[proven phoenix]

jb dont u have lura prep to be doing

get studying lil gup

[glass crane]

and buff swipe by about 300%

[dense lantern]

how healable are 3 golems in skyreach

in a pug

is it degen pull or

[storm portal]

another question if possible, u take the lifebloom on tank forever or maybe with some class u swap it when occurs?

[gentle nova]

Buff rake and rip by 100%

and make starfire moonkin spec only

Wait i got a better idea

[silk ice]

He’s practicing healing 5 players for lura

[gentle nova]

Shifting into cat gives you a debuff -50% healing for 10 seconds

And also the add a necrotic aura in combat for m+

also everytime you press starfire you lose a hot

I fixed healing in dungeons

[silk ice]

If you didn’t want healers to dps in keys, just aura nerf their damage

[plain steeple]

Just as it is without bugs you mean?

[versed stone]

just bring back adaptive swarm

[silk ice]

You’d need to nerf other healing specs to do zdps too

[novel garnet]

is there a general sim for whats the area of bis stat distribution

full haste, full mastery and a bit of vers would be my guess

but is there this tringle thingy

[silk ice]

Qelive does the math for you

[versed stone]

can bis be a banned word pls

[rare brook]

hello my fellow tree, i've seen on the internet somes droods playing call of the ender and dream of cenarius, what do you think about it?

it was pretty good damage AND healing

[spark river]

@thorn plover what do we think about it

[versed stone]

I've seen on the internet some people eating tide pods, what do we think about that?

[rare brook]

not salty enought

but great in mouth

[autumn moat]

Why is the hate against it? (not playing druide in any way right now)

[spark river]

because its a meme build

[mint gate]

If nothing ever goes wrong it's fantastic

[versed stone]

because if you have to ask about doc, then you shouldn't play it since any dps advantage will promptly disappear when your grp wipes

[mint gate]

Atonement, fistweaving, and doc are all just baby steps to Blizzard removing healing as a needed role - everybody hybrid now

[autumn moat]

is there so much missing when playing Doc? I only saw a real and thought thats way to simple to be only now "discovered"

[mint gate]

It's a very strong talent in isolation. The healing from Starfire on an AoE pull is nutty but single target you'll struggle to maintain the same play style. Plus, you've got to look at the talent(s) you're giving up, which are almost all quite strong in the bottom tier of the tree

[versed stone]

if you understand how to prepare the pull and have enough targets to starfire then it's fine for some pulls I guess

but 99% of players will fail at it miserably

[undone elk]

How best to use Litany of Lightblind Wrath as R druid in M+? Just spam moon / sunfire 5 times to get a big shield, or best to weave in a dot between hots to max up time?

[autumn moat]

kk i mean sadge i thought u guys are hyped about new and harder tac like other speccs^^ but anyway. Oh i have to leave a soure taste before i leave too, i just found out about this beeing a dorki thing but there are already others who publish this 😐

anyway have a good one

[haughty ibex]

is qe down

[fervent mica]

doesn't seem to be

[haughty ibex]

nvm it works yay

[mint gate]

New and more complex rotation doesn't mean better, and creating a false equivalency that it is, is harmful to discussion

[versed stone]

I wouldn't call it harder even, just more gimmicky

and you have fuck all left in the tank if pull goes against your plan

[fervent mica]

its also not any more complex... its just bad 3/4ths of the time

and was even worse before a 40% buff

[autumn moat]

sounds harder to me tbh

[versed stone]

no it's mostly because 99% ppl play 5m in pugs

[plain steeple]

I am 100% with you.
Also bring back Cenarion Ward.
These effects were just a lot of fun to use.

[versed stone]

you can play doc to grief some pugs or in very coordinated grps where you will trigger call + def as a cd

[grizzled seal]

Did they fix the starfire cleave bug?

Because if it's not fixed then you can expect like 20-30% nerf from that

[glass crane]

if they nerf starfire cleave they'll have to buff the spell again

shit sucks without it

[weary heath]

Hello, i rolled the npx weapon and upgraded it to 289 thinking it would be an upgrade but qelive says my 285 crafted is better. I can safely assume qelive is correct right?

[grizzled seal]

ok not bad

[bright swift]

[thorn whale]

283.0

[bright swift]

i'm .2 off

[thorn whale]

GG

[grizzled seal]

use your crests?

[bright swift]

used all

..

[molten gull]

ilvl is a crutch

[grizzled seal]

I bet you have 10 unused

I am using them all for maximum efficiency

[rustic copper]

[grizzled seal]

ok this boy is griefing though

if you dont have hero achievement

you are just afk

[abstract tulip]

🙁

[rustic copper]

You really just need to get lucky with raid vaults and you can get myth achieve

[gentle nova]

niko is 285

[grizzled seal]

I picked a socket today from my vault

[silk ice]

My guess is that they used that champion crucible trinket and never got a good trinket

[rustic copper]

Yeah me too

[molten gull]

is 285 hero of the myth?

avg ilvl

[grizzled seal]

Myth of the Dawn

[abstract tulip]

just hit 280 yesterday still have a bunch of hero gear to upgrade but its getting close

[molten gull]

right lol

but its 285 avg ilvl?

[grizzled seal]

yes

you dont need 285 on every slot

[molten gull]

cool. im 2.5 off

[grizzled seal]

but you only get discounts on items you have upgraded to that ilvl

[silk ice]

Yep but you can’t spend 10 unless you have an alt that spends the full amount to upgrade that slot, right

[rustic copper]

Did you delete hero crests by spending on 1/6 hero or something

[grizzled seal]

so for example I dont have a discount on neck

[rustic copper]

[abstract tulip]

absolutely

[rustic copper]

Gg

[abstract tulip]

maxed 6/6 on my chest. then decided to craft a chest

[silk ice]

[mint gate]

Item level IS a crutch. Put down your kills with gear that WCL doesn't even have a bracket for like a real tree

[abstract tulip]

but my guild is behind most guilds. we only killed our 1st mythic boss yesterday

[mint gate]

We're killing our first tomorrow 🙂

[abstract tulip]

GL!

i pugged it last week but died on the kill so atleast this time i didnt die. i hate it when i die on 1st kills

[mint gate]

It feels so bad. It's always the ONE pull where YOU mess up, never all the slack we pick up on the other ones

I healed a DK up to 7 stacks of "I can't see colors" last night on H Bel 😛

[abstract tulip]

yeah it does happen like that, you play perfect for 6 wipes and then on the 7th you fuck up and that ends up being the kill

[mint gate]

Exactly

[wind night]

And your dead body is in the guild kill video

Forever

[mint gate]

Die during the first intermission so your 1 recorded kill is grey

[lyric surge]

did you account for losing the embellishment when you ran qel?

meaning did you add an arcanoweave lining onto another piece of crafted gear so it could pick up NPX weapon + 2 embellishments

[weary heath]

i did not, thank you!

[hot halo]

for those of you who are mythic raiding, are your convokes also assigned or mostly just tranqs? what's the general consensus there?

[abstract tulip]

theres a northernsky addon that has my convokes assigned. which i was a little uncomfortable about, but i tried it, and they were strategically placed with a timer to match up with the boss mechanics. so it worked okay. ill trust it more in the future

[quick jasper]

What a bonus roll

[rustic copper]

🔇 m+er talking 🔇

[hot halo]

idk I just feel like I'm not getting out enough juice when my convoke and tranq are assigned seperately and not in tandem

[dense lantern]

1 bloqued message

[abstract tulip]

are you using your tranq after you spread all the hots? more value in the florish that tranq provides

[rustic copper]

Most tranq’s should have a convoke before them lol

[hot halo]

yeah I am but it just feels weird logging 99 in pugs and 50 with assigns

[wispy creek]

Hello guys, at Emberdawn in WS how you avoid twister spawning dirrectly at you that intentional or its bug?

[abstract tulip]

yeah other healers in the raid can effect your healing parse for sure

[hot halo]

yeah that's what I'm getting at, but when they're assigned seperately and I am supposed to tranq right after a movement event eg: vorasius ad phase it's hard to get enough regrowths out to actually get value from the tranq

[proven phoenix]

depends on the key of course but healable at a fairly high key level still

[sudden rover]

do u guys have same issue with raiderio addon, it blocks me from using marker on party players

[hot halo]

sure I can keep abundance up and throw in a wild growth but when I get fixated and have to run all the way in the back where half the raid is los I either have to spend tons of mana to keep the abundance stacks up or be super slow with the ad to get regrowths in, but if I'm too slow the quake will get me mid-tranq TT-TT

[proven phoenix]

if anyone gets double beamed they will instantly die though

unless they meld/invis/fd

[dense lantern]

17/18

[proven phoenix]

probably not 18

maybe on 17 u could

[abstract tulip]

do you have healers assigned to each side? there is los issues so maybe wait to tranq when everyones more grouped up

[spring fulcrum]

is there an addon tot rack call of the elder druid cd?

[hot halo]

yeah we do, but if I wait I'll miss the next one xD idk I think I'm just having some issues adjusting when I perform so much better when I can line up abilities myself xD Got a 35 parse with assigns on chim in pugs and 99 without them :L

[fervent mica]

tranq dgaf about los

[hot halo]

^Nah but casting wild growth and regrowth beforehand does

[molten gull]

just so im not crazy... warlock and shaman can both remove the movement impairment in POS, right?

[wheat cape]

on mythic crown, is it worth putting lifebloom on people with heal absorbs and getting the triple bloom on them?

[fervent mica]

nah

[molten gull]

just had the most troubling POS with 3 dps who didn't even try to survive. kept them up anyway but that was a struggle

[spring fulcrum]

warlock with green portal i think, so doesn't really count and iirc sham has a totem but has like 1 min cd, both are meh classes for it

[wheat cape]

thanks 🙂

[molten gull]

oh i thought sham can just ghost wolf

[proper geyser]

Who took the blooming infusion away from KOTG?

[spring fulcrum]

think that sjust druids

[molten gull]

i see

[wheat cape]

instant starfire every other global was funny funny

[molten gull]

well those guys prob annoyed with me asking them to cleanse their shit haha

[proper geyser]

that was one of the benefits of kotg

lol

[molten gull]

the DK in my group, however, didn't use any defensives

[proper geyser]

now kotg sucks again

[rustic copper]

W

[molten gull]

well the climb to 3400 is slowly coming along. lts get one of those ugly mounts, amirite?

[spring fulcrum]

anyway is there an addon to track call of trhe elder?

the internal CD

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/no-donkeys-shrek-gif-1107972158425297474

just eyes

[wheat cape]

isn't there a debuff for it?

[spring fulcrum]

thought it was some hotw debuff lol

ty

[wheat cape]

it would be nice to be able to put that closer to the middle of the screen of course but there is a way to track it

[serene moon]

How on earth do I get rid of astral form. No glyph on my boomie form. If I put astral form glyph on and remove it I have moonkin form until I log out

after 1 relog that astral form is back

[wheat cape]

glyph removign powder

they should be available on the yak vendor mount

[serene moon]

But I have astral form without a glyph 🙁

[wheat cape]

12.0.5?

[serene moon]

I guess it is just one of those 12.0.5 bugs 🥲

[gentle nova]

whats the innkeeper water called

[glass crane]

does cult proc photo?

[rustic copper]

I doubt it but how often does your lb target go below 60%

[glass crane]

but when they do that's prob when I want photo to proc

[fierce isle]

Cult isn't a hot anymore

it's just a direct heal

[pulsar kettle]

at face value sure

maybe its coded as a hot

[fierce isle]

es posible

[sacred wasp]

its doable if you stagger pulling them

[formal fjord]

suggest going to an innkeeper

[sacred wasp]

if you pull all 3 at once there's risk of the double beam one shotting someone in one tick

if u do like 2 seconds between pulling another one then its more cascading and double beams are somewhat healable

hold meld and ironbark for the doubleups

[fierce isle]

I imagine it would be really hard to determine if Cult can proc a photo bloom because it'll be hard to know if the bloom was caused by the rejuv tick or the cult healing

[fierce isle]

I guess if you get two blooms from one rejuv tick that's the only way

[rocky lodge]

this may be bad advice, but my convokes and tranqs are assigned but i tend to ignore the timings as they don’t factor in ramping tbh

[mental breach]

Hi, I have trouble with Lifebloom. Now I manged to have 100% uptime however some of my casts are yellow (wowanalyzer. efresh existing LB without triggering bloom).
I did try to aim the refresh for the last 3 sec of LB. I don't know if this is the tax I shall use for this or is there any reliable way to check if bloom happend so I can refresh after?

[rocky lodge]

do you have the addon lifebloom alert?

[mental breach]

No

[rocky lodge]

best to install that so you can refresh lifebloom in the pandemic window

should be recast with less than 3s remaining on the same target, ie yourself

[limpid marsh]

why are supposed to keep lifebloom on yourself in raid? is it just cuz its easier to maintain or specific talents that make it better?

[mental breach]

I mean I am refreshing it at the last 3 sec. Is it a good way to do so? (Yeah sometime I fail but I am just trying to understand what could be my issue.)

[sacred wasp]

roughly 25% increased healing on yourself, and everbloom cleave is proportional to how much the bloom healed

[rocky lodge]

yeah if you refresh too early (ie 3s and above), it’ll be a bad cast

lifebloom is pretty precise

[hearty coral]

Lb pandemic is 4.5

Not 3

[sacred wasp]

so you stack healing increased modifiers on yourself and cleave everbloom

[mental breach]

But if the pandemic is 4.5 then under it shouldn't be OK?

[rocky lodge]

i had to change my lba to 3s as 4.5s led to me having yellow refreshes on wowanalyser

[limpid marsh]

from rejuvs alone or where do you get the ~25%?

[sacred wasp]

forestwalk, hero talent, that other node on the class tree

[hearty coral]

I would check the log to see if your LB casts are causing the bloom or not and not worry about if wowA is saying it was yellow or green. It might just not be reading it right

[sacred wasp]

natural recovery, forestwalk, verdant heart, bond with nature

lots of modifiers

[rocky lodge]

i think with lifebloom you just do not want to refresh too early, aim for 3-4s remaining and under. also always use swiftmend for vi to extend lb so you don’t have to worry about refreshing it that much

[hearty coral]

You can see the animation also when you re-up LB you should see the splash from the bloom if it was in pandemic properly

[rocky lodge]

i’m having an issue with blizz cdm/bcdm atm. my abundance counter disappears from cdm at some points in boss fights

does anyone know if that’s a known bug?

[wise galleon]

am i the only one that has raidframes where when I pop frenzied regen or cheat death on rogue, the debuff is covering an actual mob debuff like a bleed or something? do I just have to live with this?

like the overlapping of "cheat death debuffs" over bleeds makes it very hard to play

[versed stone]

only advice is just do not play default raid frames

I promise you even the person that created them is not using this shit

[wise galleon]

I'm playing grid2

[rocky lodge]

i use defaults tbf, it’s not bad

[wise galleon]

at the start of the season I was not having this issue

[versed stone]

then it's down to your config

[rocky lodge]

but default cdm is letting me down rn

[versed stone]

I use grid2 and have no problems with it

most performant raid addon as usual

[wise galleon]

but I cant blacklist debuffs , I'm just using the profile from qelive

am i shooting myself in the leg

[versed stone]

you can't blacklist them, but you can display up to 6 + private auras on a reasonable frame in 5mans which is where I presume you want to track bleeds

in grid2 you can also make a glow border for bleed even if you can't remove it and then add a hp recolor for ones you can dispel

[wise galleon]

Why did I choose to learn to heal this xpac

[idle lake]

thank you <3

[versed stone]

they are breaking raid frames again in 12.0.7 btw and then every patch after that

so just as you configure you stuff prepare to get it fucked up again XD

[wise galleon]

Worst thing is how impactful a good raidframes setting is

Yeah I guess I'll just have to track multiple def cds, multiple debuffs and all my hots and PA for boss mechanics and dispellable debuffs which are also debuffs somewhere

[versed stone]

still better than the absolute state we had at launch

no filters no dispel overlays just a soup

atm you can get 95% of functionality from tww, except for proper debuff filtering

[hearty coral]

Uh

Why does it tell you that gaze and Valegores come from dungeons lol

[polar lichen]

thanks ai

[hearty coral]

Google ai is trippin

[idle lake]

google ai is changing lives

[ripe sluice]

Looking for clarity on Reforestation and CD planning for a Restoration Druid.

Our druid is refusing to follow assigned healing CDs, saying they need to play around Reforestation procs and align with top logs instead.

How much control do you actually have over Reforestation timing in raid?
is it reasonable for a druid to ignore assigned CDs for proc alignment?
Is miss aligning procs crippling or just not optimal?
Is there anyway to see this in viserio or is it purely rng?

for reference currently progging crown

[bright swift]

You don't even play reforest atm lol

[hearty coral]

Yeah I had a druid in my guild running no apex

On Tuesday

Yesterday I mean

[sacred wasp]

myself and one other person at least has reported this

[hearty coral]

Or Monday I don't remember

Was interesting

[zealous scarab]

Some people don't keep up with changes

[rustic copper]

lol no apex is crazy

People can’t change builds

[thorn whale]

@bright swift how many pulls before you guys started getting into p2 properly

[rustic copper]

🤯

[thorn whale]

@rustic copper

[versed stone]

let them play no apex, it delays the nerf

[thorn whale]

Same question for you

[hearty coral]

Was for mythic too

...

[rocky lodge]

does anyone know an addon that tracks the amount of regrowths currently active?

[fervent mica]

just had an rdruid in a key running no apex...

[thorn whale]

Running no apex is pretty good

[rustic copper]

Idk 2.5 nights

[thorn whale]

For not timing Keys

[thorn plover]

HoTTracker

[rocky lodge]

ty was looking at it but it didn’t mention regrowth tracking so i thought maybe it didn’t

[thorn plover]

It does recently

Not on by default though. Open the settings, click regrowth under rdruid

Enable

[rocky lodge]

cheers will finally resolve the issues i’m having in raid rn, fucking blizzard

[thorn whale]

Amount of regrowths ??

[rocky lodge]

i believe rejuv:regrowth ratio should be 1:1 rn

so just a way of tracking that

[thorn plover]

Not like that

[thorn whale]

That’s a bit misleading but I guess

[bitter ember]

might be a stupid question but do i bother sending emberwing (wrs on-use) to 289 for an astounding 200 hps gain over heart of wind 276

i feel like that trinket's ass and its basically a sidegrade

[thorn whale]

Do you have other things to use your crests on

[rocky lodge]

how should regrowth be used? because i thought it was important for symbiotic blooms or something

[bitter ember]

2 slots i "cant" send yet (dont have 276 in those slots and i wont be wasting 20 myth crests)

and feather would be immediate send but at the same time

[fervent mica]

go farm?

[thorn whale]

It is important, but you’re not thinking “oh I have 10 rejuvs now I want 10 regrowths”

[bitter ember]

its a. on use that's cringe to line up b. a sidegrade

[thorn whale]

You stack up abundance, and then you press regrowth

[bitter ember]

the character's 2 weeks old and i dont have infintie time to farm

[thorn whale]

So if you have high abundance you press RG

[bitter ember]

just trying to squeeze w.e i can for lura

[rocky lodge]

you press regrowth down to about approx 6 rejuvs right?

[thorn whale]

Idk I don’t really have a set number

I press rejuv to ramp for damage

I press RG to heal damage

Repeat

[rocky lodge]

yeah that’s basically what i’ve been doing as well but in off damage times i’ve just been ramping with rejuv and regrowth

[kind star]

Alright enough wasting time trying to get a helm atm, blue helm op 😅

[thorn whale]

I think you only really ramp RG when you are about to tranq

[rocky lodge]

ahh ok that makes sense

and wg pretty much on cd to get that healing from embrace?

[thorn whale]

Elsewise you’re kinda too busy maintaining your abundance

[thorn whale]

Link your talent tree

I don’t think we’re playing embrace rn

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GLQ8NX7crJRDbCgM?fight=18&type=summary&source=212

(I think I could have my RG/RJ ratio way closer)

but over rejuving is not that bad when you have mana for it

I think it's actually a lot of hps

[livid hearth]

is it possible to find 2h wep crafter that can use low lvl mats for it? I cant find any

[rocky lodge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ydjQnm9bYPG64wcA?fight=20&type=summary&source=10

[molten gull]

just dont be cheap?

[versed stone]

they would have to use concentration to finish the craft which will cost you more than r3 mats

[rocky lodge]

i’m on my phone atm so i can’t ss talents 🥲

[rocky lodge]

it looks like instead of embrace we use the liveliness talent

[thorn whale]

Yeah I think you want to play liveliness because you can't sustain your mana if you want to use embrace to it's full potential

WG is too expensive to press on CD on prog fights

[rocky lodge]

yeah u right i change that shit rn

also my druid talents are cooked so thx for posting yours

[faint willow]

is seat m+ insane hard to heal last boss Lura or what? I just did a 19 key and my resto druid could not heal us just to the normal damage of the boss

[versed stone]

why are your cohealers doing no healing and no damage

can I rent them?

[thorn whale]

idk man it's a pug

and good luck doing healing when you're playing with a resto druid

[versed stone]

oh ok that explains it

[rocky lodge]

my innervated r sham cucks my healing

mega spams chain heal, spirit link on cd, can’t get a word in

[thorn whale]

Just heal faster

https://tenor.com/view/cat-licking-popsicle-gif-3122588929262013745

[gentle nova]

low cpm?

[thorn whale]

7 dispells and madness

[rocky lodge]

HAHAHA i’ll try but the r sham and i compete and its fun competition

[thorn whale]

but yeah it is a bit low - I pressed WG a lot

[gentle nova]

lots of canceled casts

[thorn whale]

yeah that too

[gentle nova]

and gaps, but maybe those are the madness

[oblique pasture]

+-

[faint willow]

is nurturing dormancy important to take for m+? seems kinda useless?? most people will not be full hp

I also think livliness is btter than master shapeshifter no?

[bright swift]

not our best boss

[main timber]

For healing yes, for damage no

[fervent mica]

ms is more damage in caster setup

[main timber]

You get full extensions basically every rejuv

[pulsar kettle]

god i cant wait for cat buffs

[thorn whale]

Yeah idk from 2:10-2:13 and 02:34 - 02:37

[thorn plover]

Are we taking livliness over embrace????

[gentle nova]

yeah why are u pressing wg

[plain marsh]

I’m waiting for the compensatory buffs for blooming infusion fix

[gentle nova]

it costs 10k mana

[faint willow]

I dunno im kinda new to resto and I dont have much time to do dmg, maybe im bad but I prefer healing right now

[gentle nova]

i love rdruid

[thorn whale]

Think it's fine to press if you can

[thorn plover]

Tru

[gentle nova]

mana problems since cataclysm

[faint willow]

when I do dmg all my hots fall off and im just falling behind feels bad

[main timber]

You can take liveliness for now if you want

[thorn whale]

Why are my RG's hitting so much harder than urs

[faint willow]

you have time to pump out starfires on big aoe pulls?

when I do that sudenly 2 guys get a debuff or bleed and i have no hots on them

[thorn whale]

I was just supposed to answer a work email and then I got sucked in

gn

@gentle nova ur a noob

[gentle nova]

why are we linking hpriest logs

4 hymn casts is 20% hps for 1 minute

[rustic copper]

Based

[main timber]

Yes. You will never have no hots out.

[thorn whale]

why are we answering questions with questions

[main timber]

Lifebloom is always active and soul of the forest puts out a lot of free hots

[rustic copper]

Pop quiz that 99.9% of rdruids can’t answer

[gentle nova]

hpriest needs to be meta

[rustic copper]

I cast rejuv

How long does it last

[idle lake]

grahhhhh finally

[thorn whale]

Send me ur talent tree and maybe I'll get it wrong with like 2-3 seconds

at best

[idle lake]

is it worth taking the ring 2set for -0.36% healing

[gentle nova]

31

i love pandemicing rejuvs

my healing is condensed into 5 players

i do healing to 5/20

[urban bone]

@faint willow You just need more practice if you’re new. You can have the hots already rolling on them and you can always stop dpsing to put out more heals, just cast what you need to then go back to dps (when you’re ready to do so, just keep them alive first and foremost) just focus on healing and slowly introduce damage where you can and you’ll learn imo

[iron canopy]

For higher keys are people using dream of censarius? Seen some videos in it pumping dps and healing

[sacred wasp]

how hard were they losing?

[fickle pecan]

Newish to RDrood and healing as a whole. Struggled to keep people alive on Vexamus AA +15 last night. The part where bombs come out getting people low then very quickly another burst of AoE finishing them off. We wiped forst pull then finished it off second pull with two dead @ 2%. Any tips for keeping people high enough hp for that second burst of damage?

[sacred wasp]

2nd set of mana bombs will always be followed by an astral fissure, so you alternate convoke and sm+ns+regrowth on thos overlaps

in addition to your normal healing ramps

30s cycle so you're able to alternate those

[fickle pecan]

Ok cool so my thinking was right its just execution, need practise. Lucky it was a friend group key so they let me keep going to practise.

Perfect, there are a lot of use cases for that too so Ill drill it more

Thanks @sacred wasp

[static wadi]

For out apex talent, when lifebloom is stacked 3x, does that grand 3x mastery bonus?

[sacred wasp]

also, i recommend lifeblooming your aug rather than yourself if thats your comp

[static wadi]

So then harmonious blooming would be 9 stacks of mastery?

[fickle pecan]

Because people are spread anyway and tank will live it?

[rustic copper]

5 crystal holders + myself

Wwwwww

[sacred wasp]

more that that fight is a healing equation of the 2 squishiest people in the party, usually yourself and the aug

you have more healing on yourself so the aug benefits from the extra lifebloom procs

this is assuming u have smth like a tank guy (udh) and a semi tanky guy (devourer / warlock)

[fickle pecan]

Fair. We didnt have an aug on this run, had UHDK, Arms war, Survival hunter. But good to know for when we have Aug.

[faint willow]

yes thank you for the tips

[sacred wasp]

and thats not to say dont heal those other people, but they'll be kept up with their natural durability + incidental heals from wildgrowth, regrowth cleaving, everbloom cleave etc

[faint willow]

The hardest fight so far in m+ for me is Lura last boss in seat, crazy dmg..

[fickle pecan]

For sure. Awesome thanks for the advice pretty confident I can get used to the flow of that. So stressful when those bars go sooooo low and you have such a short time to be like shit get them back uuuuuuuuup

[sacred wasp]

yeah it can be a little stressful since you have to move after dropping the mana bomb poop

but once you have a system setup you will autopilot it and just worry about everything else

[hollow idol]

hey i use to play healer with the healbot addon and for some reason it stop working give me an error every few min
anyone know if there is a way to fix or another addon simillar that works

this is the error im getting

[thorn whale]

Ty

[sacred wasp]

you get one convoke per cycle in that fight, so you can either use it on the burn for damage or you use it once the singing chorus starts ramping up and you need to refresh your ramp (assuming you ramped exiting the burn phase)

[faint willow]

the worst part was when 6 orbs were alive and I got the beam myself so I had to find an orb behind me while healing crazy dmg

[formal fjord]

Does that just allow mouseover healing or? people are using danders frames from what i see

[sacred wasp]

healbot was a clickcasting ui

[formal fjord]

the native UI has it now yeah?

[sacred wasp]

yeah you have to try and consciously make note of those and get used to ramping while moving

[desert pilot]

Hello, curious about what I could have done better on this fight (wowanalyzer did not really help). Am I overusing SM on myself maybe ? Not enough rejuv ?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WpKtnP4MLxbT8ZYz?fight=last&type=healing&source=14

[hollow idol]

im using that to heal only with the mouse like right click and left with the mouse on the target frame

[sacred wasp]

yeah iirc they discontinued healbot support but i havent kept up with it

[atomic sierra]

'Ey, wouldn't Spire of the Furious Construct be a close for our BIS? I know they say Nexus Point for the Corespark Multitool, but it's the same stats, just balanced between haste/mast.

[formal fjord]

i think the native UI will have the clickcasting options u need

[sacred wasp]

you can use smth like danders or grid2 and maybe even vuhdo

(if u want an addon for it)

[atomic sierra]

Got a myth track in my vault. 2H Haste/Mast, almost balanced between 'em.

[formal fjord]

what do you mean wowanalyzer didnt help? there are some things on there I can see: https://wowanalyzer.com/report/WpKtnP4MLxbT8ZYz/20-Mythic+Chimaerus,+the+Undreamt+God+-+Kill+(6:11)/14-Kaaedruid/standard

[hollow idol]

can i do it without the healbot ?

[formal fjord]

also youre rejuving too much and not enough regrowths

[formal fjord]

recommend checking out the default UI - i dont personally use it but I know that there are options for clickcasting in it now

[formal fjord]

and your wildgrowth uptime is low

[hollow idol]

what must healers use ? is there a good addon option or must people use the ui option

[formal fjord]

I personally only use Danders frames, and no mouseover macros or anything. You can use about 10+ different things, including, Danders Frames, default UI, etcetc

[desert pilot]

Yeah that's true
Concerning regrowth i'm using it when there is a need of immediate healing, should i use it even though it'll be over heal just to get the hot ?

[formal fjord]

yes

we are a ramping class

ramp ramp 12 rejuvs

regrowth till about 4

mini ramp

big ramp

rinse repeat

or big ramp mini ramp, fight time depending and all that

[gentle charm]

okay guys has anyone experienced the heroic -> mythic raid group transition? Is it normal for healer parses to stay the same and dps parses to turn into grey? I feel like it makes sense since there's a lot more to heal and the mythic parse pool is significantly higher skilled but I need a sanity check

[fervent mica]

when people aren't used to doing the extra mechanics they will do less damage

[formal fjord]

^

[gentle charm]

ah yeah that's a factor I didn't think about

[bold plume]

would u equip the myth one?

higher ilvl but crit 🙁

[fervent mica]

theres a certain comfort level you need

[fervent mica]

no

[formal fjord]

QE live it if youre unsure

[fervent mica]

sending your crests into that would be bad... and the hero ones way better at same ilvl

[rustic copper]

that is the best neck you can get until you can kill mythic l'ura

[jovial tartan]

i have a similar situation, currently have heroic abyssal hymn but a high haste neck is simming better? idk if i should spend the crests 🙁

[glossy holly]

thats a lot of haste...

[urban bone]

IMO that’s not a bad neck, it’s at least versatility and not crit, it’s not like verse is useless, just depends on what your other options are

How far off are the other options? If it’s like just a small amount of hps just take the second best

[kind star]

Man that 8 Seat was hell

[fervent mica]

low <_<

[glossy holly]

[kind star]

We had like 32 deaths by the end 💀

[glossy holly]

i really need to try out hc dungeon first and get a feeling as healer in seat lol

im not stepping there raw

[jovial tartan]

this is how i look rn, i just have that haste/vers neck in my bags and it drives me crazy it's myth track and not using it xD

[kind star]

I usually just do 5s and slowly go up

[glossy holly]

i dont mind +5's

but seat looked like healing hell in general

[kind star]

I felt healing was tough but I could lock in but demon pugs

[fervent mica]

have you sent bonus rolls already?

[kind star]

Im 250

[jovial tartan]

yeah x.x

[thorn plover]

i dont find seat as hard as spire

[glossy holly]

im 250 aswell

yeah well spire

its kind of special place really

[kind star]

It had me sweating hard

[granite sparrow]

amen, everyone calls me crazy for thst

[fervent mica]

do you have a lot of crests saved?

[kind star]

Even with everyone fully hotted

[jovial tartan]

i have 10 plus the 100 from this week

i could craft something too

[fervent mica]

i would hold them for next week then. assume you get better options

crafting feels banned at this point

[jovial tartan]

instead of upgrading?

oh okay

[fervent mica]

yeah

unless you need it for embellishment... the crest cost just doesn't offset

[glossy holly]

wish the 285 craft weapon wouldnt take 80 crests

[fervent mica]

you could make 1h/oh and spend 160

smile

[glossy holly]

big smile

[jovial tartan]

xD

[jovial tartan]

thank you ^^

[cursive pilot]

Swear seats one of the easier ones

[thorn plover]

just the tentacles boss is difficult

[kind star]

maybe im just bad after all! D:

[echo kraken]

Yo, looking at the guide on wowhead for raid. Is skipping "Emrbace of the dream" for "passing seasons" the play?

[thorn plover]

what is passing seasons

[cursive pilot]

We skip season 2

[kind star]

or the tank was not pulling correctly on trash or whatever or lack of interrupts idk

[echo kraken]

cooldown on natures swift

[thorn plover]

what does embrace have to do with that

[silk ice]

Ping

[fervent mica]

10 minutes early... ban

[silk ice]

Fuck, sorry

[kind star]

or im just abit low for 8-10s at 252? meeh maybe its me

[thorn plover]

nah you should be plenty fine

[main timber]

For healers it's applied to the crit portion of the heal only. So we get 1 + 1 x 1.02 instead of 2 x 1.02

[lethal lichen]

Seat suck if tanks pulls 2 casters without bl
Spire sucks if dd can't find button for self défense

[thorn plover]

just need practice

[fervent mica]

its a practice thing. we were doing them week 1 with everyone at or below that

[main timber]

Which in effect means we get half value

[silk ice]

Is this an oversight or

Intended

[kind star]

I mean I had all hots swiftmend basically on cd because ppl would die and shit, maybe its the group idk

[honest fulcrum]

very random question. i've been running keepers (no apex) in raid, its been very fun and averaging 90%+ parses. but i'm considering trying out the apex wildstalker build. do i have to catweave to get the most or can i still do my normal ramp rotations?

[kind star]

dps were like doing around 40k I think on tentacle boss

[thorn plover]

that is the very wrong build now

[pulsar kettle]

why would you catweave for hps

[fervent mica]

you only go cat for mana... and you usually don't need that

[bitter ember]

you're not going cat in raid

for hps

[pulsar kettle]

like what part of it makes you think you need to catweave

[lethal lichen]

[thorn plover]

be nice

[pulsar kettle]

its a genuine question

[desert pilot]

Do you have any logs illustrating that ? Even though I know we are supposed to ramp I often find myself sitting with 8~ abundance stack and basically never letting them drop

[honest fulcrum]

if i'm speced into wildstalker, if feels like 50% of a build if i'm not doing the most to proc blood vines and symbiotic

[thorn plover]

cat doesnt proc symbiotic at all

and blood vines dont matter

[fervent mica]

do you care about dpsing in kotg? why would you start caring about how much damage you do just by swapping?

[kind star]

I guess I shouldve been using LB on me in that run since I had full casters

[glossy holly]

the play apparently is to have LB on ''weakest'' members

[honest fulcrum]

if i am specced wildstalker + apex, and only doing the normal ramp rotation. i'm not asking about increasing damage output. i'm asking if the number value of just casting is sufficient enough to be wildstalker > keepers no apex.

[thorn plover]

you dont have to worry about cat a single bit in raid

[marble brook]

hey guys i currently have a socketed heroic head tier vs The ultra rare necklace, the sims are showing necklace is higher

But do we actually use the on equip effect? I dont think any of our spells do shadow dmg

[fervent mica]

haste good. neck good. take neck

[glossy holly]

the sting dmg one? dmg is trash

[thorn plover]

that looks like a reroll token

[glossy holly]

u dont care about that bonus lmao

[kind star]

40-50k sounds abit low tho on dps right

[thorn plover]

taking hero items rn sounds bad

[honest fulcrum]

so on paper, the number value output of wildstalker + apex = keepers + no apex?

[fervent mica]

that necks not hero

[thorn plover]

more

lots more

[marble brook]

It's 276 hero 6/6

[fervent mica]

oh _

KEKW

nvm then

[molten gull]

unless its gaze and you have no chance of getting myth gaze

[honest fulcrum]

do you have logs to compare.

[marble brook]

Or mythic tier head with avoidance is my second choice

[thorn plover]

look at literally any logs right now

everyone is running WS apex for a reason

[fervent mica]

figure out where you're sending bonus rolls for the week. if theres a chance you get head from it then hold off

[thorn plover]

apex got giga buffed last week

[marble brook]

Ah totally forgot about those, might as well do the 2 runs then pick tyty

[lethal lichen]

Why even talking about keepers if logs pretty clear take ws and apex

All the logs on all bosses

[honest fulcrum]

i mean. i'm consistently getting 90%+ parses and i've enjoyed the playstyle of no apex keepers.

[lethal lichen]

So keep it

If boss died you done great

If not so uh go blame some dps

They always wrong anyway

[thorn plover]

the playstyle doesnt change at all

and youre only compared to other people playing keeper, so of course youll parse high, no one is playing it

[glossy holly]

funnily im kinda confused by wildstalkers melee stuff but i guess in m+ its actually better healing than keepers?

[thorn plover]

its better in all content right now

ignore any cat things

[honest fulcrum]

apex to no apex. is a pretty significant difference. broadly sure its the same ramp windows. but being hard anchored to lifebloom is very annoying

[thorn plover]

cat stuff nothing to do with healing

[gentle nova]

The playstyle change (all thenoptions are passive)

[thorn plover]

even with no apex you should be keeping lifebloom 100%

doesnt sound like you want to heal better, it sounds like you want to press less buttons

[split carbon]

meowdy everypony. does paradox double tranq range?

[kind star]

PoS after that seat should be chill af

[gentle nova]

Yes

[thorn plover]

apex is like a free 10% healing increase

[honest fulcrum]

its an issue of lifebloom uptime. its the annoying part of getting the most of apex procs on the correct targets at the correct times during ramp windows. its annoying.

[split carbon]

cheers

[lethal lichen]

[thorn plover]

you perma self lifebloom, you dont even have to target

you can macro it to yourself

[high hawk]

anyone else seeing blizzard buffs when using grid? can't figure out how to turn them off

[thorn plover]

and extend with VI

[honest fulcrum]

right right and people with heal absorbs. who cares. makes sense

[lethal lichen]

[spark river]

[thorn plover]

ok it sounds like you have no interest in changing to the superior spec (by a lot), so im done here

[lethal lichen]

Some hottakes always at 2:00

[honest fulcrum]

i'm just explaining my personal preferences and saying its annoying for me. no one is peeing in your cereal brother.

[thorn plover]

you asked for WS vs keeper, we told you what the difference was, and you just hard defended keeper

[honest fulcrum]

okay brother. all knowing brother. yes brother. of course brother

[thorn plover]

[lethal lichen]

It's not even funny

[thorn plover]

has to be trolling

[lethal lichen]

Yeh

[high hawk]

someone doesn't want to press LB as a druid? you are playing the wrong class LOL

[honest fulcrum]

i asked the difference in playstyle and if catweaving was required to get the most out of wildstalker.

but sure brother

[austere helm]

is volatile or heart of wind trinket better?

sims about same for me

[honest fulcrum]

reading comprehension all time low

[austere helm]

trying to decide which to use crests on

[wary veldt]

Why everyone playing Wildstalker? Is there any hidden mechanic? Please help :3

Pulling Crown of The Cosmos Mythic for first time.

Please give me a hand with why/how wildstalker is working

[high hawk]

have you read the talent?

[thorn plover]

then it turned into lifebloom uptime

[honest fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-speaka-any-english-speaka-speaka-english-jackie-chan-rush-hour-gif-18426418

[thorn plover]

🎣

[bitter ember]

great late night shitposting happening

[honest fulcrum]

i wasnt asked what is better, if the playstyle was similar and/or a drawback.

but okay guys.

[proven phoenix]

its just more healing

thats all there is to it

[austere helm]

any knowers

[high hawk]

bruh lol

[proven phoenix]

probably heart of wind

you can qe live it to make sure but suffuser lost a lot of value now that you're overhealing one target for 50%

[thorn plover]

like you say i dont have reading comprehension

did you read anything anyone told you

[bitter ember]

heart is probably more consistent, suffuser can proc on ppl at full hp or 50% hp, u can set the health% in QE to compare but id rather just run heart

[high hawk]

surely i need to catweave to heal more though

[proven phoenix]

no

[honest fulcrum]

its okay brother. keep spinning in circles

[high hawk]

surely

[thorn plover]

im not the one in circles

[austere helm]

alright i'll go heart then

thanks guys

[honest fulcrum]

riiightt

[lethal lichen]

Heart

[pulsar kettle]

be nice !

[thorn plover]

sorry

[pulsar kettle]

[lethal lichen]

Just have lifebloom uptime 100%

And see some povs on yt to understand where stand and what doing

Lorgs also have a plenty logs for learning > import to nsrt note

[tough portal]

[echo token]

can lorrgs show heroic pulls?

[iron canopy]

Anyone mess around with keepers / dream of cenarius? Dps seems insane and healing during the window

[shut barn]

Yup

[echo token]

how

[bitter ember]

yes just click here

[shut barn]

Click the M for mythic, drop down to Hc

[bitter ember]

and swap to heroic

[echo token]

ah m

duh

my bad