resto

[fervent mica]

need to get jb to play ysera

[urban kestrel]

im maxing yseras gift

[dusk spruce]

any waking dream enjoyers?

[fervent mica]

imagine the uproar

[dusk spruce]

germination? natures bounty? nah im in a relationship with ysera and her gift

[spark river]

I can already see the thumbnails

S L E E P E R B U I L D

[urban kestrel]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/restoration/keeper-of-the-grove/EAAAQVVVVVRVllQBAAADQCBAAA

my new build

[dusk spruce]

Im copying this and trying it in a pug right now, thanks Shaso my goat

[fervent mica]

the skill trees need to be bigger so we can draw things with the nodes...

[hearty coral]

does the game even let you have talents unchosen

[fervent mica]

only if you make a new char

[hearty coral]

wait

[fervent mica]

and never add past that point

[hearty coral]

that sounds like a crazy challenge

how high can you climb with literally no talents

[urban kestrel]

I think there was some way to go to the class trial zeppelin to reset your talents?

but idk if its still in game

idk though my main compliment after messing around with this build in some pugs is that its pretty nice to be able to just swiftmend on cd for VI value and then spam starfire until I wanna throw everbloom on trash

but it absolutely is going to be some amount of loss on a really hard boss fight

[dusk spruce]

Its okay man resto druid has infinite healing, if u cant make a heal check its just a you problem

[urban kestrel]

that but unironically

[obtuse dragon]

hello, is the starfall from heart of the wild and the one from convoke rewriting each other, or can they overlap ?

[sinful summit]

they overlap, they're 2 different buffs even

[obtuse dragon]

oh ok, thanks

[weak crypt]

[sudden rover]

fuck ND

[urban kestrel]

based

[vestal lotus]

are you guys taking verdant infusion or prosperity since the patch?

[thorn plover]

Yes

[bright swift]

ye

[restive kettle]

I currently use hardly any of my utility as a resto druid be it interrupting roar, or vortex/typhoon. When I'm think of how these can be useful in my mind it doesn't make a huge difference outside of actual interrupts. Do they also end up reducing quite a bit of damage due to the disorientation or flight time as well?

[sudden rover]

never prosp in any content

but that's just me, some people play it. I hate it

[bright swift]

Prosperity for m+ owns

[thorn plover]

VI for m+ owns

Hope this helps

[bright swift]

why

i don't get it at all

I move my lb constantly to heavy dots

[limpid jacinth]

plenty of people play both in M+

[pulsar kettle]

[thorn plover]

[restive kettle]

It's just a trade between hps and flexibility surely?

[sudden rover]

honestly baffling to me that people play prosp, I find it so so bad it's crazy

[bright swift]

XD

explain why it's bad

[rustic coyote]

They can save a wipe to be honest. Think about a miss kick from a netherblast in pit, or some other cases where you want to mass "cc interrupt" or spit fire in windrunner spire

[thorn plover]

I've played both, I like both, I like VI more

[sudden rover]

you don't need a second swiftmend and u lose a precious hot

[thorn plover]

Id rather save gcds

[spark river]

God i love m+ discussions

[bright swift]

a precious hot (a wild growth or regrowth)

[bright swift]

ok that's not an argument

M+ players are known idiots

[pulsar kettle]

can we stop using data aggregation sites as the basis for arguments

[sudden rover]

that's not nice for m+ players

[bright swift]

that was the goal

[restive kettle]

Fire spit and stray interrupts are pretty much my only use case currently, it's where is it beneficial to expand usage of this if any. If I use on a big pack with no interrupts or such needed does it make much difference?

[rustic coyote]

Quite situational, it is a good back up in case of miss play. Of course interrupt it is the way to go, but I found myself roaring many times just the right moment before a dangerous cast was going out and managed to not die or wipe. You never know

[restive kettle]

Makes sense, I think I need to fully flip the other way on usage and just use it a lot and see what stress point it's managed to help alleviate

[bright swift]

you VI players

do you just have lifebloom on tank and never move it or

[restive kettle]

The second things get tough my brain naturally switches to healing rather than mitigation which isn't always right

[spark river]

Yes

Rarely

[bold grail]

Is the keeper m+ dps build worth running on 10-12 pugs? More triage healing

[sudden rover]

I move it but apparently it's useless, jdotb clears 21s with lb on him 99% of dungeon run it's crazy

[bright swift]

wait he has it on himself?

[sudden rover]

yeah

[restive kettle]

Bloom healing is linked to healing on lifebloom target is that correct?

[bold grail]

In his defense though he’s in melee a lot for cat dps … until he started doing keeper build

[sudden rover]

hes wildstalker but casts starfires

like everyone here

[spark river]

Not everyone

[sudden rover]

he also plays dream of cenarius in 21 it's insane haha

[thorn plover]

Self

[bold grail]

Some pulls it’s 80-100+ dps though. I don’t do starfire in wildstalker. How much dps you getting in that scenario ?

[thorn plover]

I started perma self lb after patch, it worked good. Then I saw JB doing the same in 21s so I never stopped

[bright swift]

Idk man

[sudden rover]

yeah I'm starting to do same thanks to your call purr

[bright swift]

how do you even heal big dots on specific pople then

[sudden rover]

yeah like first pull of windrunner

how do you heal without lb blooming

[bright swift]

well it blooms on the group

[thorn plover]

Press heal

[bold grail]

15 secs every minute crazy star fire healing? Maybe. If you’re out of that window could be tough but they do it

[sudden rover]

sure but I like having also the triple blooming on specific target for this pull

it's so much damage to heal

[bright swift]

ok i'm confused

so you're playing VI

but you still move LB?

that makes 0 sense

[sudden rover]

why? I'm not playing vi for vi, I'm playing vi so I don't have prosp

difference

[bright swift]

ok you're trolling

[sudden rover]

nah

[torn thunder]

wait what xD

[grizzled seal]

[distant birch]

W

[sudden rover]

prosp is negative node

it's a debuff in my mind

[distant birch]

if swiftmend deletes my hots im deleting myself

[sudden rover]

indeed my good sir

[pulsar kettle]

oh no my wg hot

[distant birch]

wont let it take it from me

[sudden rover]

must be a psychological thing, but I guess most druids agree with what I'm feeling; i'm not using a gcd for next one to delete the hot

horrible feeling

[bright swift]

deleting a regrowth or wild growth is not a negative

especially wild growth in the later part of its duration

but ok i'll try VI with LB on myself

i'm sceptical though

not using sm as a spot heal seems crazy to me

[leaden rivet]

is it bad to let lb fall off or should it always be 'refreshed near the end of its duration'?

[spark river]

i dont trust my tanks enough to lb anyone else

[restive kettle]

I mainly use LB on tank currently those who use it elsewhere how much healing do you normally have to feed into the tank, or is it a case of just using on them for specific pulls

[limpid jacinth]

if you’re pugging, your tank is going to require 500% more healing

[sudden rover]

that is not my experience, usually it's the dps players that are dogshit and take useless damage

[restive kettle]

Is that debuff dispellable?

[limpid jacinth]

lucky you

[thorn whale]

Why am I reading “perma self LB” in this chat

[lament cipher]

Depends on if we're talking m+ or raid

[thorn whale]

M+ obviously

[spark river]

brother saw a wall of text of an m+ discussion and said it depends

[shrewd jay]

Wait did you not raised that topic yesterday ?

[bright swift]

checking several of the top logs for m+ here and nobody is doing this self lb shit btw

it's just jb

[spark river]

Yeah its just jb

[thorn whale]

Self lb is fine in some spots but saying perma makes no sense

[bright swift]

most people do either tank or aug

which makes sense

[thorn whale]

You put lb on the person that takes the most damage or will generate the best healing coverage

[spark river]

Aug is definitely a great shout

They are paper

[bright swift]

but swiftmends are going on about everyone

so you lose VI value from that

[thorn whale]

If there are pure rot scenarios you can put it on yourself

[bright swift]

so why not just play prosperity

[sudden rover]

here we go again

[bright swift]

here we go again

[shrewd jay]

xD

[spark river]

I love how in every m+ discussion everyone has the same standpoints from before and we still go into it again

[past tusk]

I think its a sign of well designed talent when there's so much disagreement :p

[sudden rover]

yeah AHHAHA

[limpid jacinth]

because he feels bad for the poor munched hots

[bright swift]

these munched hots don't care

they don't do anything

[spark river]

Just do the thing that you like guys

We re busted

Who cares

Play ysera if you want

[bright swift]

Honesly VI vs Prosperity isn't even my biggest problem with the build everyone is running

[thorn whale]

[bright swift]

why the fuck is nobody playing ND

I don't understand

[spark river]

raid talent

next question

[sudden rover]

^

[bright swift]

how is that a raid talent

[thorn whale]

It’s locked below 20 man content

Can’t do anything about it

[spark river]

i dont make the rules

[bright swift]

every rejuv is 6 sec longer

how is that bad

instead they play HB (useless)

[oak garnet]

I honestly have tried hb versus ND in 16-18 keys and I feel the difference not having ND

Especially since I'm just vi extending my blooms on tank most of the time

I feel like hb makes more sense if you play prosp

[bright swift]

Why

Without ND maybe sure

[oak garnet]

Because you are moving lb around more and getting more value from the mastery

Than just keeping it on the dude w 5 hots

[spark river]

Just run nd and vi both and you never have to cast a rejuv again in your life

[oak garnet]

If I was doing harder keys I'd prob go hb

[limpid jacinth]

HB felt overkill to me when I tried it

[spark river]

Hb becomes really good on higher keys

[bright swift]

why

[oak garnet]

Tanks get fucked

They get blasted

[bright swift]

yeah so heal them

[gaunt willow]

Also are you even getting the +6 seconds on rejuv and any benefit from them in M+?

[bright swift]

yes

[gaunt willow]

I don’t feel like it in 16s and 17s

But I still run the talent

People aren’t at 100% or if they are the damage is over so it’s overheal

[oak garnet]

In 16s and 17s there's no shot hb is better than ND 😂

[spark river]

You can run doc in this range

[bright swift]

I don't think it matters

[spark river]

Nothing will change

[bright swift]

I just don't see ND being bad

[oak garnet]

Tanks can survive in their own

[bright swift]

EVER

[oak garnet]

Yeah true doesn't matter tbh

[spark river]

And I will never play nd

So we are truly opposites

and thats ok

[oak garnet]

But personal preference when you play ND than don't

[gaunt willow]

I don’t disagree definitely nice to press buttons fewer times

[oak garnet]

I can feel the difference

[bright swift]

but why not

i don't get the argument

[half timber]

Guys, is it toxic to tell an DPS player he should becareful where they stand and should use their kick? I dont mean it in a toxic way, but this guy wasnt happy at all apparently lol

[oak garnet]

Esp w/ new apex where whole team gets cleaved to full hp

[rustic coyote]

We are missing one important point: why? This is better than that. Ok, elaborate

[spark river]

Because id rather play 2 tv and hb

We ve been over this

[bright swift]

2 TV for what

what does that do

[oak garnet]

Nb

[sudden rover]

2 tv feels good yep

[bright swift]

what does 2 TV do

[gaunt willow]

3 seconds on regrowth?

[limpid jacinth]

2TV is basically equivalent to 1TV + NB

[bright swift]

ok you don't have to link me the fucking talent

[gaunt willow]

Which with the 40% crit regrowth talent is very nice

[spark river]

You constantly sotf rejuv so 30% makes a difference

[gaunt willow]

Yeah - interchangeable talents for much the same benefit there

[bright swift]

ok I can see that

[south dove]

Does anyone know if theres a good site/addon for mapping out CDs in dungeon? doesnt have to actually connect to the game

[vestal lotus]

wait but isnt having two swiftment charges = two soul of the forest = more everbloom procs better than keeping a rejuv up for 8 seconds?

[sudden rover]

nah

[oak garnet]

sotf rg goes hard when you need it tho

Esp w blooms on 2+ people

[vestal lotus]

whats teh advantage of VI though? just keeping a hot active for 8 more seconds?

[spark river]

Saves globals

You can stack a person for hots

For years

[oak garnet]

There's a lot of reason for vi

[tidal sigil]

Did they fix the Nexus point dispell? saw a mob start healing earlier and not sure if its something else or they made the dispell work as intended now

[vestal lotus]

ahhh got it

[spark river]

And you dont consume the hots when swiftmending

[oak garnet]

It's also better with prosperity to keep 5 hots rolling on one person

And you basicslly have perma 5 between 4 maintenence wg and blooms on your vi target

[vestal lotus]

same applies in raid ?

[oak garnet]

Everbloom is doing like 15% in my runs

Yes but in raid it's on you not tank

Or aug

Aug that stands near melee is a goat

[vestal lotus]

got it

tried M Chim yesterday with pugs and it was brutal

the save mechanic really messes people up

and the disonance

[thorn whale]

Pugging is brutal

[spark river]

Not really

Most pugs are doing well on chim

Only the fear can be an issue

[vestal lotus]

the CE groups are nice ;P not so much the other ones

[fervent mica]

i did one on my dps alt... was like ~6 wipes

[thorn whale]

You‘ve not been in the pug realm much then

I did one on my 7/9 Druid

Took me 3 hours

[fervent mica]

wtffff

[thorn whale]

4 different groups

[vestal lotus]

i left after 20 pulls lastnight and we reached intermission once 🙁

[shrewd jay]

CE 280 ilvl are the thing xD

[vestal lotus]

"DPS WITH MADNESS GO TO STAR". dps runs over the opposite realm and blows everyone up

[bright swift]

my everbloom does more healing with prosperity than with VI

[spark river]

I have primarily pugged, only recently I started raiding a bit with a guild

[ashen quiver]

with the wowhead build for m+ do we go into moonkin to dps? or do we just dps outside of moonkin? i can see we dont run fluid form, so it would be one GCD

[spark river]

It does depend on finding the right pug

[grizzled seal]

We did a shit alt run for voidspire, pugged some people and wiped 5 times on the first boss

I didn't even know most of the mechanics we wiped to

[pulsar kettle]

u dont shift into moonkin

[thorn whale]

Ofc haha

[spark river]

I mean you re not joining progress groups are you

[thorn whale]

It sure feels like it some times

But no I dont que for those

[spark river]

Pugging loom was 10x disgusting than this

[thorn whale]

I never pugged loom

Cause fk that

[teal bluff]

Hey everyone! I am struggling a bit with mana on crown progress, if anyone has an advice for me that would be awesome 😁 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/g3RF6anNTbhvzCV7

[spark river]

4.4 wrath cpm

what a goat

[bright swift]

going oom with 4.4 wrath cpm is crazy

[spark river]

10 swiftmends have no extended vi

is there a reason for this

[bright swift]

any reason you don't feral frenzy for mana

[spark river]

You also missed a usage of innervate

[bright swift]

it's much better than 4.4 wraths per min lol

[spark river]

8.4 average abundance stacks

There is your answer

[bright swift]

yeah

[spark river]

All of these contributed to your mana problems

[candid peak]

Wtf is vi

[bright swift]

verdant infusion

[teal bluff]

Didnt even know thats a thing

Thanks all will try to improve on these

[spark river]

Feral frenzy into rip is fast mana

only 2 globals

[teal bluff]

Think i pressed one prepull

[bright swift]

that's also bad

[spark river]

Yeah i did that before

And it got better when I stopped doing that

[bright swift]

pre hot, drink before pull starts

then innervate when you're like 10 sec in at 90% mana

[versed stone]

you get cp from dispels, so track cp out of cat and spend them for mana outside frenzy too

[thorn plover]

Guys is there any way for me to track call of the elder druid

Please don't shorten things to cp

That's banned

[sudden rover]

😹

[bright swift]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-hank-walter-screaming-walter-yelling-gif-26473309

@empty portal

[spark river]

Oh damn

The priest tag

[teal bluff]

Thanks all

[empty portal]

HANK

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-hank-walter-screaming-walter-yelling-gif-26473309

do not abbreviate combo points hank

[versed stone]

I have shortened cp since forever sorry

[zenith pike]

to much mastery for m+ and wildstalker ?

[versed stone]

cp cp btw

[zenith pike]

should i go on mastery more ?

[spark river]

@thorn plover THE NUMBER

[bright swift]

Meisterschaft

[candid peak]

36,45 actually

[spark river]

Verjungung goes hard

You re sleeping on german names

[zenith pike]

with more mastery ?

[empty portal]

Vielseitigkeit

[spark river]

Just drink a mastery flask and you re good to go

[zenith pike]

alright

thx

[spark river]

For keys that is

[thorn plover]

Guys what do I do after I hit the 31% haste cap

[bright swift]

how much stats is 38% mastery

[thorn plover]

1200

[spark river]

The stat gets removed from your ui

[bright swift]

that's a lot wtf

why would you not haste flask

[spark river]

You dont need it

Mastery slaps so hard

You get people to full from one rg

[versed stone]

what

[spark river]

i said what i said

[thorn plover]

I Crit flask, break the meta

[zenith pike]

mastery haste gem ?

or haste mastery

[spark river]

Doesnt really matter

[versed stone]

I think it's an important choice, at least 1 key level

[zenith pike]

ok

[versed stone]

per gem

surely a prime thing to focus on rather than pressing 5 buttons wrong per sec :D

[spark river]

We can help people out with both

[thorn plover]

Why must we be the meme spec

[bright swift]

the one thing i'm looking at now @spark river.
On a fight like Lura in Seat, it looks like my uptime on rejuv is very very high and i'm just sitting there with no more rejuvs to cast since I already have them on everyone

[spark river]

What do you cast in a situation like that? Do you just continue to overwrite existing rejuvs?

[bright swift]

regrowth when there is still damage

ofc

refresh lb, wg

sm

i need to actually press lb you know

[spark river]

Just prosperity things

I feel that nd is just overkill because you re spreading rejuvs on cd anyway

[bright swift]

right but i don't think i'm over the cap though

but maybe if you play VI you are

(with ND)

[spark river]

Yeah

So just play vi to save those globals

And put a point in 2tv

so your rejuv does more

[sudden rover]

join the vi gang

we feeling good in here

[bright swift]

oh hold on

[spark river]

Not having to worry about that one person you have constantly stacked with hots is definitely easier

[versed stone]

keeping lb planted on 1 person perma is objectively terrible play in 5m

[spark river]

Its either on tank or on the aug

I am not moving it any further

[pulsar kettle]

in the "meta" comp, sure

ddh and uhdk simply dont take damage

[bright swift]

I mean

this is not bad or

for ND

like what

that's on Lura

[hot halo]

quick question: Is the interaction between nature's swiftness and convoke still present in regards to the regrowth buff?

[spark river]

Yeah but you can get the same result with more healing if you just swap the talents around

[haughty ibex]

is this from wow analyser

[bright swift]

yes

[haughty ibex]

ty

[hot halo]

could you elaborate?

[bright swift]

that's not really true

[rose glacier]

Hey guys, a raider of mine is struggling to track their abundance visually and they've asked me for help re is there any way to have a sound queue play when you reach x abundance (I think it's 8?)

[bright swift]

VI does not equal ND in value

[thorn plover]

I play VI and ND

And you won't change my mind

[oak garnet]

My real question is 2/2 tv or nb that I have the hardest time deciding

[pulsar kettle]

this has been fixed, if your asking if NS buffs every regrowth from convoke.

[thorn plover]

HoTTracker might get you close

[oak garnet]

Nb kinda sucks in 5 man

[bright swift]

I agree

I would probably run 2 TV

[spark river]

Prosperity also doesnt equal 2tv

[rose glacier]

I cant find a way using HoTTracker to play a sound, thankfully I have a 90 druid to test

[oak garnet]

Its doing like 3%

[bright swift]

I think that's also not really correct

[oak garnet]

Sometimes more in heavy triage like magisters Skyreach seat

[haughty ibex]

why my wow anlyzer dont have this

[thorn plover]

Doesn't play a sound but it's an option I could add. I could see that getting real annoying.
You can make the icon glow

[haughty ibex]

i genuenly cant find it

[bright swift]

it's more valuable in tough sitatuations

when you actually spam regrowth

[rose glacier]

Ah! I think they prefer sound because they're prone to headaches from visual stuff. But I'll recommend it for the time being!

[spark river]

Hb vs nb is another conversation, but its more on a per dungeon basis rather than a set stance

[oak garnet]

Honestly I feel like there are less tough situations since apex change at lest in the keys I'm doing

[spark river]

I would definitely want nb on the last boss of magister for example

[hidden wagon]

How bad would dream of cenarius be on wildstalker build? Would you not be able to get similar windows to the keeper of grove build?

[bright swift]

I would never take HB

[oak garnet]

Most of the time you can just proc apex and sota rejuv and maybe cast a rg ns rg

[bright swift]

I don't see it

[spark river]

I love playing it in dungeons where I dont need nb

[oak garnet]

Vi ND 2/2 tv swap to 1 tv/nb for heavy triage. Save hb for the guys doing 20s

At some point your tanks get shat on I swear

[bright swift]

you keep saying hb is for 20s

I don't see how that would matter

[oak garnet]

I think the 8-10% more st healing is helpful

[thorn plover]

Sound will get annoying if you're hanging around that 8 mark. Since you can be bouncing on and off 8.
I can look at adding it for you though

[spark river]

Can we get a how can i track doc tts

[thorn plover]

Yes

[oak garnet]

Idk I'm working on resil 18 so it's just me assuming the dudes doing 21s that auto lock hb are smarter than me

[thorn whale]

They’re not

[oak garnet]

And want it for single target bc tanks do get blasted doing higher keys

Lol

[thorn whale]

Or, they are, but not by default

[spark river]

Hb has been locked in since people ran high keys in beta where we got scaled to ilvl

[oak garnet]

probably bis for your hps when your tank is fighting for his life

Plus people making larger more coordinated pulls doing 20s

[rose glacier]

Wow, appreciate it! If possible could you make it so it has a cooldown on when the sound queue plays if that's the case?

[thorn whale]

I dunno if it’s the case rn, but last season it was often harder to heal your tank in the 2-3 keys below title

Because they’re just worse at the game

[bright swift]

[thorn whale]

🤷🏼‍♂️

[pulsar kettle]

cn monks swapped to some new build

less damage but actually immortal

[thorn plover]

Absolutely

[thorn plover]

I think after .5 this should be reviewed. Esp with perma self lb

[dire pagoda]

I need help with the Verdancy talent. What does it mean "when Lifebloom blooms,...". When does LB bloom? When it expires or I refresh it?

[bright swift]

photo and apex 4 make it bloom

[dire pagoda]

and what happens when it bloooms?

[thorn whale]

Stop perma self LB

[vestal lotus]

big healz

[grizzled seal]

You know the last lifebloom explosion? That's what we colloquially call "bloom"

[dire pagoda]

Thanks... its not realy in the talent itself.

[spark river]

why dont we call it boom

are we stupid

[bright swift]

then we can call symblooms blooms instead

[undone vapor]

Is there a new middle ground between the dorki disc priest style resto shaman and just bird weaving with the other talent tree, or is this what people are trying to roll with

[rose glacier]

Appreciate that a ton ❤️

[thorn whale]

Wtf are you writing

[cunning fossil]

Hello, guys ! Good Morning, may i ask a question? Which combat potion uŕe using?

[main timber]

If I'm reading you correctly then yes you can just use caster spells to DPS in a regular full healing tree too

[grizzled seal]

Recklessness in raids

[main timber]

I wouldn't call it a middle ground though. There are no recommended catweave builds this patch

[undone vapor]

👍 I could have been more clear but you got me

[undone vapor]

That’s good I don’t enjoy cat weaving as much as balance form dps

[main timber]

The WH / IV guides are both caster-based but otherwise full healing. I think you will enjoy those

[cunning fossil]

Ty ! I'm using the yellow one for every content.

[uncut mica]

When healing on Salhadar mythic, are you guys still casting lifebloom on yourself and trying to stay with tanks? Did it yesterday but didn’t feel great having to move out for mechanics in terms of maintaining hps.

[spark river]

yes i have it perma on myself

no i dont move with tanks

Im stacked with ranged most of the time

[brittle sedge]

ugh all the top builds still take all the cat talents. bleh i hate catweaving

[main timber]

Then dont do it

Simple solutions

[brittle sedge]

but I want to become more competitive and do more damage to push keys and not come out with only 5k overal dps 🙁

lol

[main timber]

That doesn't have anything to do with those talents. Cat is just slightly easier ST damage on some fights - pretty much no difference to your overall

[soft dagger]

cat will do more meaningfull boss damage and smooth to play. Caster is just clunky. but overall dps should be around the same

[past tusk]

do you guys use Swiftmend and consume SoTF on cd to apply rejuvenations to the group? or keep them until healing required? In m+

[weary void]

Should I aim for about 8 abundance stacks before spamming regrowth in m+ if needed or at least 8+?

[thorn whale]

Doing high overall is the last thing you should focus on in keys to become competitive

[spark river]

You dont really care about abundance in keys

[thorn whale]

You can stop tracking abundance in keys if u want, it doesn’t matter

[weary void]

Aren't I gonna go oom fast as hell then, thx for the quick reply tho

[knotty goblet]

If everyones full, you can sit on it til needed and bloombomb

[thorn whale]

Quite the opposite

[spark river]

Dont hardcast rejuvs and you wont

[rustic copper]

Hard casted rejuvs

[spark river]

Vickman is playing wildstalker and catweaving while only starfiring on big packs

[thorn whale]

You can “hardcast” some rejuvs still, but your abundance doesn’t define what you press next

[weary void]

I'm defo spamming too many rejuvs then, aight thx

[thorn plover]

No I don't think I will

[thorn plover]

Regrowth is cheaper at 4 stacks which you should perma have just from sotf rejuv

[thorn plover]

Goat. 31

[spark river]

it actually isnt that bad

hes dealing 30k overall

while not sacrificing any healing

[thorn plover]

That's 25k more than I'm doing

[main timber]

Yeah it sounds good

I'm getting hate mail if I ship a build that forces them to learn two DPS styles though

[pulsar kettle]

wowhead comments gonna go nuclear

[urban kestrel]

blizz will surely react by buffing swipe to be worth casting for the first time in 6 xpacs haha

[rustic copper]

Please stop posting this

It’s just noob bait

[limpid jacinth]

I’ll never understand people who want to play the shapeshifter class and then not utilize frequent shape shifting

[main timber]

Hmm yeah you want to avoid people thinking they should swap to Regrowth at 4. That would be a terrible idea

[main timber]

Like I'm with you and think Cat should be what they push as default playstyle - but in a world where most other healers have 2 DPS buttons, we will have like 6-7

[urban kestrel]

I just cant believe blizz made some post about how leaving and exiting meta too much is annoying on your camera and then you do a single dungeon as resto druid.

[thorn plover]

But them thinking perma 10 stacks in m+ is better

Ok

[spark river]

both are bad

its not one or the other

[rustic copper]

I mean

That’s definitely not as bad

[thorn plover]

Idk how you could interpret " it's cheaper at 4 stacks " in response to "won't I go oom" as, I should switch at 4 stacks

[uncut mica]

No hate mail here. I think the wowhead page for resto druid is the best it’s been in recent expansions. I appreciate the work that you put into it.

[thorn plover]

Tracking stacks in m+ is just bad

Forget they exist

[rustic copper]

There was legit someone who thought that like a week ago

[main timber]

Cheers mate ❤️

[rustic copper]

From what you posted

So can you just stop mentioning the number 4

It’s so useless

[thorn plover]

Ok I'll switch to 31

[urban kestrel]

4 stacks is as good as regrowth gets, not worth getting better, 30% crit chance is all I need to crit every time

lrn2roll

[limpid jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/number-of-the-day-sesame-street-gif-12622059420872701290

[thorn plover]

😂

[smoky sail]

good job sandbagging guys, gotta stay behind disc

[urban kestrel]

dude the disc "nerf" goes crazy, they really nerfed that spec for 1% of the most insane players you've ever seen with 1/20th of a second reaction time on death+expiation sniping and then buffed it for the rest of us

and now its the easiest disc has been in years outside of undermine where it was just so op you couldnt fuck it up

anyways that spec is getting nerfed and losing an op tier set

rip

[spark river]

now look at the 95th percentile in last 2 weeks

[rustic copper]

We are behind disc?

[smoky sail]

[spark river]

we are not

[smoky sail]

i mean its pretty close

[rustic copper]

What’s the screenshot from

[smoky sail]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/46?metric=hps&dataset=95

[spark river]

95th last 2 weeks

[main timber]

It's also dragged down by fights Druid is less OP in

[spark river]

yeah but we cook people on paladins

so hard

[main timber]

The spec is very dominant on Paladins, Chim, L'ura, Crown, Sal

[smoky sail]

Druid on paladins feels super unethical

[silk ice]

Rdruid really contributing to the fight by tanking all those heal absorbs. Pretty ethical to me

[urban kestrel]

druid would be even more ahead on paladins if that fight weren't shitting all over everyone's UIs half this week

all those logs and half of em are just casting rejuv on people with 2 rejuvs on em

[rustic copper]

That’s optimal

[urban kestrel]

true

[smoky sail]

absorb maxxing

[lapis osprey]

What are the common lust points for Maisara Caverns ? If anyone happens to know off hand

[spark river]

first pull is one

Last boss is one also

[frozen prairie]

after first boss where is mini boss

[lapis osprey]

my gues first pull/big pull after first boss with miniboss/last boss

[frozen prairie]

last boss on damage amp

[lapis osprey]

on the amp got it

[frozen prairie]

that's common

[lapis osprey]

fasho ty, im headed in without a lust and i snagged drums haha

[frozen prairie]

gl

[lapis osprey]

🙏

[west topaz]

dang that poor girl posting about pushing 3400io but having nerve pain in hands, i hope she gets there

[hot halo]

@main timber I have a question if you don't mind...

I have been recommended two builds that both perform really well but I can't seem to find the reasoning behind the swaps, as I'm not a big math person haha.. Could you take a quick look and help me reflect on why the talent swaps have been made and how I can best utilize these differences?? (for mythic raiding specifically)

I've been staring at this and logs from people using these builds for hours and I need some fresh perspective.. do you have any thoughts?

edited: the screenshots were weird, new ones below

[dire pagoda]

With all the blooms and symbiotic blooms healing "nearby" allies.... What does nearby mean?

[grizzled seal]

Tooltips show range for some of them I think

[spark river]

Both of these are raid builds. You run ms if you need mana and embrace if you dont. 2 min convoke vs 2 tv is interesting, but I think you ll find that most people go with 1 min convoke.

[hot halo]

the 2 min convoke guy had 500k hps during L'

L'ura intermission*

and it baffles me how he got there lol xD

[rustic copper]

You’ll find that most people go with 1 min convoke and that 2 tv is better

[hot halo]

also if the nature's swiftness + convoke interaction has been fixed why on hearth would he run Nature's splendor over passing seasons with a 2 min convoke?

[ornate pollen]

I tried 2 TV for a pull and got flamed here, shrug

seemed good

[hot halo]

Personally I've been using the 1 min convoke and swapped liveliness with embrace of the dream but idk my brain is fried at this point xD

[grizzled seal]

Which guy

[hot halo]

take a GUESS

[rustic copper]

I’d be 600k if I had spatial

[thorn plover]

What

[spark river]

KEKW

[thorn plover]

Stop the count

[hot halo]

lmaoo

[urban kestrel]

I feel like thats pretty normal potion hps at this point tbh

[hot halo]

I sent you a dm earlier Torty, would you mind explaining some of your decisionmaking with this build?

[thorn plover]

This should be deep

If I know torty responses

😏

[plain star]

Im just here for the show

[urban kestrel]

oh wait thats bloodlust and recklessness pot?

im surprised hes not even higher tbh

[rustic copper]

Bloodlust intermission

[urban kestrel]

just 3 heal that shit

[hot halo]

@plain star is the better player icri

[plain star]

Nerf resto druid 😄

[hot halo]

almost got u there tho

[urban kestrel]

I mean arguably us going infinite during bloodlust was half the reason they gutted us in aberrus, they might do it again lol

[hot halo]

torty help me ruin this disc

[urban kestrel]

press the funny haste potion and lust for healing and ask for PI

[hot halo]

to be fair Gabriel had source of magic and I didn't

so I'm trying to convince myself that's all there was to it /s

[grizzled seal]

I use 1 min NS for healing crystals

[gentle nova]

Why you comparing an heroic log to a mythic one

[hot halo]

so splendor is for the spot healing for crystals specifically?

[grizzled seal]

Yes but also these 2 talents are whatever

[gentle nova]

Ofc the mythic one will have more hps during lust intermission

[hot halo]

because we'll be going into mythic and I just want to understand the reasoning that's all @gentle nova

[spark river]

its a hc log

lmao

didnt even notice

now i have to check my hc intermission

[gentle nova]

You are trying to figure out how hes doing 500k during lusted intermission in a myth boss

[hot halo]

yeah we haven't gone there on mythic yet, we're 4/6 VS and 1/1 DR so I just wanna take a look around and be prepared yaknow

[gentle nova]

Its becaus theres 3x more damage in mythic than heroic

[spark river]

im 290k in hc intermission

not bad i guess

[hot halo]

I've only played druid since midnight launch so I gotta learn at the pace I can absorb info I guess xD

[grizzled seal]

I mean it still matters what you do

There is only one way for druid to burst heal these days

[grizzled seal]

Maybe if you used lust in intermission you would've seen p2 in 75 pulls like us instead of 100

Thoughts?

Saving lust for the next raid

[analog skiff]

playing since legion, its a love hate relationship. Enjoy it.

[plain star]

[spark river]

True

I love druid and hate people like noah

[analog skiff]

welcome to the club

[dry ice]

I feel you. Just started gearing after seeing how much people do not want me as disc priest in 17s 🤭

Now I gotta learn how to broccoli 🥦

[hot halo]

I believe🥹

[thorn plover]

Noah what random talent come to argue about today

[analog skiff]

do u even sleep

[thorn plover]

God no

[analog skiff]

everytime i come here you are online

[thorn plover]

Perpetually online

[analog skiff]

3 am - 1pm 10 pm

[plain star]

i just pray for druid nerfs so disc can shine more 😄

[thorn plover]

I sleep 2am to 6am every day

[analog skiff]

are you fkn chatbot or smthng

[thorn plover]

That's it

[analog skiff]

no wonder you chose rdudu you are living on photosynthesis

[thorn plover]

Lmao

Thats actually good

[brisk zinc]

Hey guys maybe u can help me here. Im struggling to keep my people up on 16s Like Seat. Im hotting everyone having Lifebloom up all the time trying to have swiftment on cd but at the endboss im failing to keep my people up and I dunnowhat im doing wrong. 😩

[graceful ermine]

Sleep is important friends

Prioritize it

[thorn plover]

Doesn't matter what time I go to bed my body says 4 hours is enough

[analog skiff]

if your regr isnt first on the healing by a lot you doing it wrong

[analog skiff]

"my body says 4 hours is enough"

https://tenor.com/view/ours-sleep-sleepy-bear-white-bear-gif-16441508580156780958

[graceful ermine]

Circadian rhythms are a pain. Try melatonin, no screens bed time earlier

[brisk zinc]

Ok then im doing it wrong regr is Like on 4th Place

[thorn plover]

Where did you get this video of me

[brisk zinc]

Rejuvenation is mostly on First Place 🙈

[thorn plover]

I've been like this since probably age 16, had sleep studies done. Doctor concludes: your body needs 4 hours

So I'm probably dead by 50

[analog skiff]

its your biggest heal and strongest, you can check the petkosham video btw resto pov 21 key (it was a boost) the druid was using 1 rej per guy not even using gemination

[graceful ermine]

Fun ‘fact’: you lose upward of 20 points of iq going from 8 hours of sleep to 4. Please don’t look into the methodology for these studies and just believe they are true

[thorn plover]

No wonder I'm a resto druid

[analog skiff]

[thorn plover]

Source: trust me bro

[graceful ermine]

Well there is a source. Just the methodology is sus. But also it seems to broadly apply anyway

[brisk zinc]

Im actually using rejuv Like all the time After swiftment, makes sense im struggling to keep my people alive

[analog skiff]

its true about that your brain is underperforming but hte iq 😄

[graceful ermine]

Sometimes bad science is right despite bad methodology

Also yeah iq is a fake score anyway

[thorn plover]

Rejuv after SM is correct, just don't need to cast it much outside of that

[analog skiff]

u can use it to save gcds of rej 3 ppl for mastery benefit

[brisk zinc]

But for big Healing im taking regr with swiftment of everyone has rejuv up dont i?

[lunar steppe]

How strong is liveliness?
I would love to not have to drink between pulls in 18-19 keys

Debating on taking MS instead

[analog skiff]

tldr
sotf -> rejuv if dmg is about to come
soft -> rgrth if dmg is already done

[thorn plover]

Not strong

[graceful ermine]

The number people quote is approx 2%

[thorn plover]

MS is worth imo

I love having infinite mana

[lunar steppe]

2% wtf
That’s so low

[brisk zinc]

👍🏻 im trying that ty

[lunar steppe]

God dam
Ty

[oak garnet]

PSA the targeted spells cast bar with DF is ELITE

[graceful ermine]

That said I feel like if you are having severe mana issues in keys there’s definitely play adjustments you should be making

[oak garnet]

If you do M+ you must use this

[graceful ermine]

You take ms because it’s a strong damage talent for caster spells

[thorn plover]

Yep

[waxen ingot]

its almost always better to hold SW before dmg

[oak garnet]

Honestly if you play with an aug and have source you can take innervate and liveliness

[waxen ingot]

The healing u get is so dusginst that doing it to "save" 3gcds is fake

[oak garnet]

Idc about my damage

[waxen ingot]

also u r not savign 3 gcds

you are saving 1 gcd and u r fucking up your burst for 10 seconds

[calm elk]

noob question, do we set loot in balance or resto?

vault I mean

[graceful ermine]

My rule of thumb is if damage is coming within 5-8 seconds of sm coming up, I hold the proc for regrowth. Otherwise I’m sending on rejuv

[waxen ingot]

dont hold the proc

either hold SW

or dont hold anything

[graceful ermine]

? I want to get sm on cd instantly in most spots

[waxen ingot]

not really

[graceful ermine]

I mean it depends how close to damage it comes up

[oak garnet]

People will yell at you if you advise holding sm

[graceful ermine]

But if it’s more than a couple seconds I’m sending

[waxen ingot]

what?

[oak garnet]

You've been warned

[waxen ingot]

we r talking m+ yes?

[plain steeple]

Atleast you can enjoy 4 hours more than me every day. That’s more than doubling the free time after work. 🤷‍♂️

[oak garnet]

I assumed raid ngl

[analog skiff]

seems a lot of ppl lb themself in raid bcs of WS hero tree self healing bonuses is this actually hps gain or loss compared to lb tanks and keeping the buffs on them ?

[waxen ingot]

big hps buff

• u get to position your efflo

[analog skiff]

for efflo ok but but is getting constant dmg

while i donnt

[waxen ingot]

u r trying to heal 20 people

not 1

wrong reply

[robust granite]

The efflo positioning makes everbloom top healing on raid fights

[waxen ingot]

@analog skiff

[robust granite]

If you cast on urself

[bitter sonnet]

Um is there a way to not do boomkin talents and to use the cat talents to synergize with the uh wildstalker hero tree for m+?

[waxen ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/cretoi-icssmoke-gif-18150152580473674997

[analog skiff]

ok it does the same when on tank no ? is it that much buffs on self heal ?

[sacred wasp]

Many many self healing buffs

[waxen ingot]

u can do w/e u want

but boomking is much much much higer dmg aoe

[spark river]

You can play the build thats currently played by some high key pushers. Cat talents and starfire

[waxen ingot]

( pad fake dmg and useless)

[bitter sonnet]

Oic

[waxen ingot]

cat will save you more time in a key if you ask me

[oak garnet]

I'm back to cat but CBA starfire when there's lots of shit

[analog skiff]

???????

[sacred wasp]

holyyyy

😂😂

[spark river]

who sniped him

[analog skiff]

😄

[frigid cargo]

Hey chatters. Are there any special talents (out of the norm) that you guys take specifically to survive the 3rd boss of higher AA keys? I have bricked my last 3 18s because my Druid is dying in bear form to mana bomb drops. I looked at logs from 20s and it seems they’re just prehotting themselves into bear and using barkskin every other? Is there something I am missing or can look for pre-key

[thorn plover]

sleep maxing free time maxing

[thorn plover]

Do you have UV

[analog skiff]

PPAP ?

[frigid cargo]

I am not a Druid sorry. I play DK but I am looking for what to inspect pre-key

[analog skiff]

not snitching on my bois

[thorn plover]

Ursine vigor

[spark river]

You dont need ursine to survive that on an 18

[frigid cargo]

It’s been consistent enough now that I feel like there has to be a talent or something they are missing so I just wanted to know what to look for

Trying to push 18s and ong my key keeps rerolling AA and that boss is gatekeeping me

[graceful ermine]

Sure. Just take the points out of the caster talents and put them in the cat talents. Don’t forget to swap circle of heavens for the physical dps version

[thorn plover]

When you inspect them just make sure they aren't playing dream of cenarius. Insta kick if they are

[oak garnet]

I keep blooms on myself for vexamus ngl. Usually go skin, then bear regen then skin if I get third bomb. Bombs Into aoe into circles is scary

[celest zinc]

If I dont use my bonus loot voidcores this week, will I lose out?

[thorn plover]

No

[celest zinc]

so as long as I collect 2 before reset, I wont fall behind?

[thorn plover]

Im pretty sure it said the cap goes up every week but someone correct if wrong

[spark river]

that is for now

for this week

it should be 4 next week when you get 2 more

[celest zinc]

And if I dont get my 2/2 on alt, will I still get 4/4 ?

[spark river]

There should be a catch up yeah

[celest zinc]

awesome

so I'm in no hurry to blast

[lyric surge]

Getting the rolls themselves is just buying them from the npc

so I would assume you can just keep buying them until you hit the cap

[celest zinc]

I was scared I'd have to do 2x +10s on all of my characters 😄

[spark river]

you might haave a leveling problem

[celest zinc]

I'm still missing priest, warlock, warrior and paladin

[mortal fjord]

8 chars holy moly 🙂

No life

[celest zinc]

and one druid on EU

[bitter sonnet]

I have like 6 druids alone

[celest zinc]

crazy

[uncut hedge]

After 4 I just stopped leveling I can’t see it anymore

[thorn plover]

I can't get myself to do more than 2

I hate levelling

[uncut hedge]

Yeah takes years

[celest zinc]

this week with timewalking, it was superspeed

tomorrow I'll have to do +10 on each of the characters to get myth form vault or a bonus bonus token

[thorn plover]

You need more than one +10 to get a bonus bonus token

[celest zinc]

oh? 4? or full 8?

[thorn plover]

3 slots I think

Any combination

[celest zinc]

so only 64x +10s tomorrow

[thorn plover]

Delves, lfr

[celest zinc]

oh good

[thorn plover]

You just need the slots full, doesn't matter level

[celest zinc]

oh very doable then

LFR then maybe

[bitter sonnet]

I just dont want to pay for different races. I got a Tauren, a Highmountain Tauren, a Troll, a Night Elf.. hm. Maybe i only have 4. I dont have a Kul Tiran or Worgen or Zandalari and I dont think anyone else can be a druid

[lyric surge]

harranir

[celest zinc]

yea haranir

[lyric surge]

and regular troll

oh you sai that one

nvm

[blissful goblet]

I got 4 characters to 90 with 3 more to go but not sure I have it in me with time waking gone, also queuing as Tank was speedy

[bitter sonnet]

Bro haranir aren't real lol

Theyre just extra night elves

[blissful goblet]

Better night elves imo

[balmy basin]

can you fill slots with the new invasions?

[bitter sonnet]

Should have been body type 3 and 4 on regular night elf

[graceful ermine]

Haranir have the Halloween themed forms

They are goated

[lyric surge]

highmountain are just extra tauren, zandalari are just extra trolls...

[bitter sonnet]

I do like the axolotl for the swimming form but I dont like anything else about them so...

[blissful goblet]

Most of the races should have been just different body types or customization

[bitter sonnet]

Real

[graceful ermine]

Their moonkin form is the best

[blissful goblet]

I really dislike mechagnomes lol

[graceful ermine]

Werebat thing

We need druid mechagnomes with robotic animal forms

[bitter sonnet]

I keep huffing copium we get swole trolls later for real amani as body type 3 and 4 for darkspear to match the Amani skin tone and hair

[spark river]

they really missed out on void druid forms with void elfs

[graceful ermine]

Imagine a giant humanoid mechachicken for their moonkin form

[spark river]

Would fit the recent void themes nicely

[blissful goblet]

Amani trolls are so good 😭

[uncut topaz]

Which dungeon are we running for fresh alts bonus roll?

[blissful goblet]

I don’t like zandalari run animation haha

And no shoes

[ornate pollen]

NPX

[blissful goblet]

Their posture is great though

[uncut topaz]

Thx mate

[lyric surge]

most druid races are no shoes

[ornate pollen]

don't run as resto though or you get an awful trinket

[graceful ermine]

Bears can’t wear shoes

[celest zinc]

I'm missing 5 of the 13 classes.

Would be cool to play DPS but MAAAAAN the mental stress on LFG and finding tank/healer for keys....

[blissful goblet]

True, I swapped my shaman and Druid to haranir though

[bitter sonnet]

I like how trolls dont wear shoes because sometimes you can wear robes and dont have to care about matching shoes to the xmog. Like bracers it is kind of a cheat code if you cant see

Just hide shoes and who will ever know?

[blissful goblet]

I got 4 dwarves and 2 haranir now haha

[thorn plover]

If they gave us mechagnome druids I'd switch in an instant. Imagine mech druid forms

[blissful goblet]

So much wasted $ but w/e

[uncut topaz]

As what should i set lootspec?

[bitter sonnet]

Is it possible to be 3 specs at once?

[lyric surge]

boomy

[bitter sonnet]

I guess my question is, do the enchants and things like that overlap or do you need 3 completely separate sets of gear with separate enchants to play as resto, feral and guardian? And how much can you craft with the cap on myth crests

[bright sluice]

what is good embellish for crafted ring?

[spark river]

feral and guardian are very different to resto stat wise

[graceful ermine]

I would lose it if their moonkin form were the mechachicken from aqua teen hunger force but fat

Instantly slamming that race reroll button

[frigid cargo]

@oak garnet thx for your response as well. I am saving AMZ for their non-bark sets as well. It might be best to save into aoe circles instead it sounds like

[bitter sonnet]

I wanted to be a druid so I could be feral in raids but flex as tank or heals in M+ for my friends

But not be griefing by having horrific gear

[tough frigate]

From a crafting PoV, almost everything I have is at least hero 3/6 apart from bracers and cloak which are veteran or champion still, I assume I'm safe to just craft those with embellishments - although my belt is kind of ass too, all 3 are haste vers

Need to farm some more myth crests anyway since I'm waaay undercapped on them, so I guess I might get some drops before then

Annoyingly I got a myth weapon for feral becasue I forgot to swap loot spec before using a voidcore, gonna see what is in vault before I commit to anything

[solid hemlock]

i got some terrible healing trinket one week when I had myself on resto loot spec. Lesson learned, rngesus is fickle.

[spark river]

'As if Voulk haven't already perma banned everyone who doesn't agree with him.'

Never knew voulk was a dictator

tbh

Comments from dorkis video are pretty fun

[main timber]

People are always clueless on that stuff. Outside of spam bots, there are never bans

[wary belfry]

Tell that to paper

[main timber]

Last resto one was like 2021 or something

[spark river]

'same thing in the priest discord. Anything not precisely the recommendation will get talked down by the cult follower'

Why is this place such a dictatorship smh

[grizzled seal]

Anything not precisely the recommendation will get talked down by the cult follower
fucking pussies cant argue and go crying on another forum

[silk ice]

What did zimmy do in 2021?

[grizzled seal]

https://tenor.com/view/soft-kobe-bryant-gif-24255342

[main timber]

It is always difficult to encourage discussion while not letting people post absolute slop off CD

[wary belfry]

That's just the normal twitch vs discord nonsense that everyone deals with

There's no actual basis for anything

[main timber]

But also, youtube comments are same quality as wowhead comments

[grizzled seal]

My favorite bit of this is that it's not top players arguing here

It's their fans coming in here and arguing

While bricking 10s

Like bro who the fuck are you

[spark river]

Yeah you can clearly see the average druid experience in the yt comments

[grizzled seal]

If you think watching "insert top streamer here" makes you a better player then we've lost the plot

[solid hemlock]

the usual parasocial rubbish

[drifting dust]

Anyway to track the cooldown on Call of the Elder Druid?

[spark river]

@thorn plover

[torpid schooner]

Real life druid reforestation 🌴

[grizzled seal]

This is the stuff we love to see

[spark river]

Thats tree of life after the apex buff

[blissful goblet]

Thought that was quikcrete and got scared

[thorn plover]

Nah

[vestal lotus]

Who did you cast that lifebloom on

poor efflo placement

[hybrid imp]

If I use the apex talent should 3 stacks of lifebloom be applied manually, or is it better to stack it naturally?

[grizzled seal]

just dont lose your lifebloom mate

[glass crane]

dg when the top m+ druids are doing something they don't like: who cares they're all dumb

dg when the top m+ druids are doing something they agree with: see all the top druids are doing it

[bright swift]

I don't think that's a dg thing

[glass crane]

do you self lb in raid

[dire pagoda]

NS doesn't boost convoke anymore?

[bright swift]

yes

[glass crane]

interesting

I look forward to dg providing me a meaningful distinction between m+ and raid self lb

[rustic copper]

Everbloom is a higher % of your raid healing than m+ healing

[ornate pollen]

isn't the real difference in twin sprouts vs implant?

[bright swift]

not really

[ornate pollen]

and who needs high healing moment to moment

[rustic copper]

Why would that be a difference

[past tusk]

I just healed my first 12, my heart is pumping haha.. I think I used regrowth too much as a oh shit heal?

[ornate pollen]

can't you juice raid everbloom with bark verdant heart?

[silk ice]

Is that tied to everbloom healing 6 targets when there’s only 5 in m+? Or build differences

[ornate pollen]

or does that interaction not work?

[grizzled seal]

no way that's true or

I am with JB here

[rustic copper]

It isn’t true

[glass crane]

raid eb is def higher

[rustic copper]

I made it up

[grizzled seal]

Are we counting effective lifebloom healing here?

[ornate pollen]

can anyone comment on barkskin boosting everbloom?

[bright swift]

it does

(if you take the talent)

[glass crane]

think eb is usually doing like ~20% of my raid healing, in keys it's like 10-12%

[ornate pollen]

that seems like a justification for self in raid then

amongst other lesser reasons

[bright swift]

that's definitely not the main reason lol

[silk ice]

Is that with self lb in keys?

[bright swift]

forestwalk is

[glass crane]

but also I don't know why ppl say aug is a good target for lb bc it's squishy when rdruid is a little fucking bitch that dies to slight breezes

[ornate pollen]

oh duh

[plain steeple]

Also tanks barely need heals in raid.
You need more healing than the tank, because they have so much selfheal already.

[rustic copper]

They need more healing in m+?

[ornate pollen]

I mean, I always LB self in raid, almost never in M+

[grizzled seal]

That depends on the boss lol

They were taking a beating on beloren and paladins

[ornate pollen]

I feel like my key LB is evenly split between tank and aug

[rustic copper]

Please mute everyone who is below like 7/9M and 3.5k io

[bright swift]

yes I qualify

poggers

[glass crane]

anyway go look at any damage taken graph in a m+ run for an rdruid and tell me who #2 is behind the tank

[spark river]

We are now advising people to perma lb themselves. It is what it is.

[ornate pollen]

frenzied and self rg seem so strong compared to what aug gets

damage taken doesn't feel like the whole story

[dry ice]

That dude should learn to barkskin if he ever plans on doing high keys

/s

[waxen ingot]

I dont think that should be a metric for self lb tho

you have such easy access to self healing outside of LB

[bright swift]

like what

[lament river]

I havent done the delve mount boss - wanna do it tonight. Should i set the NPC to tank ore dps spec?

[rustic copper]

Why would you self regrowth and why are you mentioning it as a reason to not self bloom

[bright swift]

also why is aug lowest on damage taken in this log i'm looking at

below DK

[glass crane]

I take more dmg than an aug in most dungeons as that's with nearly perma uptime on 8% dr from kotg rg

[proven phoenix]

I inted so bad on lura last night man

I picked up a crystal as backup, someone said oh fuck we're dead, 5 seconds later I did kill everyone

[waxen ingot]

Like a choice to click anything on yourself while controling every dr you have and when u use it on top of just flat heal talents u have on self

[proven phoenix]

50 pulls of early p2 or late p1 deaths

[rustic copper]

Is that were you’re supposed to be

Or it was a terrible night

[proven phoenix]

terrible

[rustic copper]

Unlucky

[glass crane]

so in this context your defintion of self healing is that I can choose to cast a heal on myself instead of the aug

[proven phoenix]

my rl said im generationally tilted

[rustic copper]

Someone said there’s a chance we kill it last night

We didn’t make it past first p3 memory game

[proven phoenix]

lmfao

we got past the first p2 galvanize once

last night

[rustic copper]

That’s your best?

[proven phoenix]

yeah

[bright swift]

We saw p3 once

we still have 1 raid left this reset though

[rustic copper]

P2 I think the crystals are rly tight timing it’s weird way to wipe

[waxen ingot]

I dont see the point of this ragebait when you are aware of what u can do to make yourself not die

[rustic copper]

Did you hit the crystal soak or no

[glass crane]

just bc you get mad at what I type doesn't make it ragebait

[bright swift]

no we wiped to the knockback

I picked up a seed cuz someone died

so there was 2 seeds on my location

[rustic copper]

Legendary Unintentional

[bright swift]

I agree with JB

[waxen ingot]

I am not mad, i just dont agree with your LB point and when someone says that your response is copy pasting their msg

[bright swift]

self LB is very good

[tough portal]

Good morning

[thorn whale]

3.5k io

[waxen ingot]

without actually saying your thoughts

[rustic copper]

I have no m+ opinions but I’m going to lb myself because I do that in raid

[main timber]

I agree with JB because Lexa is on the other side

[waxen ingot]

[spark river]

Real

A true dictator

[silk ice]

Lexa, play despacito

[waxen ingot]

ngl i didnt open the game in 2 weeks i just like arguing here

the game is dogshit anyway

do what you love

[main timber]

The game is a buggy mess, but I am enjoying the season a lot

[silk ice]

Season highlight is Phased’s commentary guide video?

[main timber]

Hopefully he does another. I think Druid is not that complex to play when you can see it

[silk ice]

I do too

[rustic copper]

Lura is the best boss in a while

[glass crane]

@waxen ingot do you self lb in raid?

[silk ice]

Especially needs an update with the new WS Convoke apex build

[waxen ingot]

I lb for efflorescence placement and if im the best efflorescence placement i do

[tough portal]

I dont know if this general statistic is super useful or a fair representation.
If you have LB on yourself permanently ofc you're gonna try to leverage that by taking more damage and having others take less damage.
You also dont use Barkskin but that doesnt mean your play is gospel

[waxen ingot]

carefull face

you are agreeing with me on this one

[tough portal]

Nope I'm fighting you too

Multisided fight

I agree with self LB in many spots, I just think jb is misrepresenting things

[ruby forum]

where is this an option besides second boss of skyreach

[tough portal]

Any of the 17 2-dots-dispel-1 mechanics

Last boss MT also

[ruby forum]

true

[glass crane]

I'm not holding it up as the end all be all but if ppl are pointing to aug as squishy then that needs to be supported by some kind of math besides some circular logic about how aug is squishy bc it's squishy

[bright swift]

does feel like my aug is the one that i need to heal the most

[glass crane]

and you can sort the run by avoidable dmg and come to the same conclusion about dmg taken

[grizzled seal]

The only boss I'd consider not self LB is alleria. I wanna see how that boss works after this patch

[urban kestrel]

alleria is definitely throw it on one of your 2-3 melee dps angle

my kill before patch was like 25% healing to ret paladin

[ornate pollen]

does avoidance help with the rough AA mechanics or not really?

[urban kestrel]

the melee get shat on getting all the obelisks, its insane