resto

[tough portal]

Did bro delete messages again

[hearty coral]

Yes lol

[tough portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-sea-ocean-beach-the-thinker-gif-3481949062371007487

Better at ragebait than mattiu could dream of

[hearty coral]

"No flame I think you need a break from discord"

[gentle nova]

I have soft poo cause i ate kfc

Thought i woul let you know

[tough portal]

Thanks

I wont eat kfc

I never answered you about resil vs root network

[gentle nova]

Its tasty

[tough portal]

Resil looks like around 5% too but without being able to calc the mastery value from extra uptime

[gentle nova]

The poo hit diff

[tough portal]

5-5.5% + mastery

Yeah tbh I was in the bathroom for like 20 mins then I showered it was great

[gentle nova]

So do i just play resil in raid

[tough portal]

You get like ~3% more in vig creeprs value, ~2% more in symbiotic bloom straight healing

[tough portal]

Ok no not there

[gentle nova]

More blooms on me for more time

[tough portal]

Vigorous creepers being 12% in m+ vs like 5% in raid is a big diff

[gentle nova]

Strong procs

[merry nexus]

any chance typo in wowhead m+ guide for natures bounty?

[tough portal]

In favor of resi in m+

It's prob not a big difference

[tough portal]

How do you mean

Like the guide not having it? It's a situational talent, you could take it if you'd like

[merry nexus]

talents NB but no harm bloom?

doesnt seem right

[tough portal]

There are some sidegrades you can pick between in that part of the talent tree

[merry nexus]

interesting. emaky

[tough portal]

The good fights for NB are definitely pretty good value compared to HB

HB is more always active ig but it doesnt pop so hard

[merry nexus]

got it

[tough portal]

Beams boss in Skyreach, or any sustained damage like that

Seat is a good dungeon for NB

[formal fjord]

yes - void in particular

[soft dagger]

So no one is running reforestation in raid. It feel weird that druid doesnt ToL at all

[formal fjord]

ToL?

[nocturne relic]

Anyone have problems with NSRT not working past P1 of Alleria on mythic?

[soft dagger]

exactly =))

[whole horizon]

are you talking about your notes/Reminders or the built-in callouts?

you were the one that asked about note formatting a few days ago right? is your note properly split between phases?

ive had issues pulling lorrgs cds bc they aren't formatted properly to account for phasing

[stray cipher]

thank you, we figured people were dropping it then hitting it with the line

[nocturne relic]

my own NSRT notes from lorrgs.

They used to work but now they dont anymore

I tried setting "phase 2" or phase 3 on the later CDs

but no dice

EncounterID:3181;Name:Crown of the Cosmos - Mythic;Difficulty:Mythic
ph:1;time:3.7;tag:Stankyfarts;spellid:443028;
ph:1;time:31.3;tag:Stankyfarts;spellid:115310;
ph:1;time:40.5;tag:Stankyfarts;spellid:322118;
ph:1;time:95.2;tag:Stankyfarts;spellid:443028;
ph:1;time:185.2;tag:Stankyfarts;spellid:443028;
ph:1;time:192.2;tag:Stankyfarts;spellid:322118;
ph:1;time:216.1;tag:Stankyfarts;spellid:115310;
ph:1;time:277.4;tag:Stankyfarts;spellid:443028;
ph:1;time:338.7;tag:Stankyfarts;spellid:322118;
ph:1;time:370.0;tag:Stankyfarts;spellid:443028;
ph:1;time:401.1;tag:Stankyfarts;spellid:115310;
ph:1;time:464.9;tag:Stankyfarts;spellid:443028;
ph:1;time:468.2;tag:Stankyfarts;spellid:322118;

[lyric surge]

stankyfarts XD

[lyric surge]

did you try setting your cd's up on wowutils and getting the note from there?

they actually put their own version of lorrgs onto that site

[nocturne relic]

Ill try during break

[nocturne relic]

yeah this one is split by phase we'll see how it goes after break

[formal fjord]

yeah possibly, there has to be very exacting behaviour when you carry crystals.

[whole horizon]

yeah those all say ph:1

the note break as soon as ph1 ends

[nocturne relic]

yeah. I tried setting ph:3 earlier didn't work. We'll see

[whole horizon]

gotta adjust the timings relative to phase start

[nocturne relic]

ok well this wowutils note should do that

but that's "new" it worked wednesday Im pretty sure

[whole horizon]

it works on any boss that doesnt have strict phasing

but on alleria and chim and lura you need a proper note from what ive experienced

ive just been referencing lorrgs but making my own from scratch

[nocturne relic]

hmm my notes just worked on chim

with all ph:1

[whole horizon]

im at a loss then

[nocturne relic]

we'll see

not the only one in my raid rn complaining so maybe some update/change idk

[whole horizon]

tbh, while i dig NSRT, i think MRT has more to offer. i wish my raid lead didnt switch.

[nocturne relic]

we're using timeline reminders AND NSRT ( 2 addons that essentially do the same)

but one is free

[whole horizon]

i was hoping the addon apocalypse would make life simpler but now it just feels worse

less functionality and more cpu overhead

and i need 20 addons to mimic what i could do with 2 weakauras that were actually optimized

[bright basalt]

Hey guys! Quick question, more unrelated to R Druid and related to WoW, anyway I can level this up?

[grand herald]

yes, it is 1/6, so you can upgrade it 5 times

[tough portal]

You cant move it up different upgrade tracks, only within the 6 levels in it

[bright basalt]

and that'd be what lvl?

[tough portal]

That one?

Uh idk the number for adventurer

236 probably

[ornate pollen]

NB feels meh to take in keys. it's so situational, rarely get good value but it's still near-mandatory

[nocturne relic]

@lyric surge worked.

phases were needed now I guess for the note

ty

[plain rampart]

guys, do you think we are getting hard nerfed in raid?

first time I come to a heroic raid and I feel too op haha, too easy to heal with this thing

[thorn plover]

As is tradition

[plain rampart]

already announced?

[thorn plover]

Huh?

Oh I wasn't responding to you, sorry

Nah we're not getting nerfed much if at all

[tough portal]

On tuesday after maintenance I wanna see bug fixes man I better fucking see them

[thorn plover]

🤞

my buddy just got declined from a +14 "i dont want no meme doc bullshit healer"

[marsh prism]

deadarse

[thorn plover]

our reputation is ruined

[gentle nova]

Dorki pugged 20s with it man

[thorn plover]

"pugged"
yoda tanking

[gentle nova]

Pugged some r1 key people

[thorn plover]

lol

[weary moss]

why does it say "does not work in M+" for the missing buff icon option? what would cause that?

in danders

[thorn plover]

because its blocked in m+

blizzard doesnt allow it

[bright swift]

[weary moss]

🥺

[thorn plover]

you can use BuffReminders for this if you need it, its just not able to be displayed on frames

[main timber]

Man just drops a fucking garf after typing for 8 hours

[thorn plover]

couldnt find the 2nd : key

[onyx trail]

thank god

[fierce isle]

Woot!

[thorn plover]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-kid-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-16045257244806990422

[fierce isle]

First kill this expansion

[pulsar kettle]

[thorn plover]

i plan to farm on 2 characters a week lol

[rare bear]

hiiii! good evening!
i’d like to ask a question. I’m currently at 3458 rating and I want to improve my performance a bit, especially since upcoming content will be more challenging.
i’ve been comparing my talents — right now I deal damage in Cat Form and regenerate mana using the “Master Shapeshifter” talent, but i’ve noticed that top players are actually using both forms, catform and boomy
Do you have any advice to help guide me better? Why would they use both forms?

Thankssss 🥲

[fallen compass]

I don't know for sure, but I believe the main source of damage is caster at the moment, but HoTW is done in cat.

Since they recently buffed the caster damage.

[tough portal]

This week, the magic damage spells got buffed by a lot and Catweaving was left behind. You may be looking at older logs that still Catweave.
There are build variations with it all with people trading off healing talents for more damage to varying degrees.

[fierce isle]

do you guys trust sims over the wowhead BIS list? I got myth Salhadaar belt and myth Chim belt and Chim is simming higher by .2% :p

[thorn plover]

yes, bis lists are not good

[fierce isle]

the chim belt has crit but heavy mastery

[thorn plover]

what belt do you have now

[fierce isle]

Salhadaar is Mastery > Vers

[fierce isle]

I got both of them tonight

Chim off my bonus roll (:***( ) and Salhadaar off drop

[thorn plover]

link the qe report

[fierce isle]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/report/albqzvymibqj

I also parsed it against crafted

to see how that stacked up

[warm bear]

Does this mean that KotG is better now? I tried the new spec yesterday that a lot of people are talking about. The one with call of the elder and dream of cenarius. Sure I pumped like 2-300k dps in bigger pulls. But I felt like it was so much more punishing and I kind of got behind on hots and felt the need to use convoke to recover

[coral jacinth]

are we using wrath or moonkin form at all for caster damage?

[tough portal]

That's part of the trading healing for damage I mentioned

[thorn plover]

chim belt makes sense to me there

haste > all

youre already mastery heavy

[fierce isle]

yeah with the PVP hero neck for sure

[thorn plover]

and trinket

[fierce isle]

yeah I need gaze bad

next 3 weeks for sure is a good feeling though

[abstract tulip]

i have good vibes for vault this week

[thorn plover]

ive had 1 usable piece from vault so far this season

surely this is my week

[fierce isle]

I'll take Myth Void suffuser in vault and Gaze drop from bonus rolls plz thx

[abstract tulip]

that sounds like a plan right there ^

my ret pally did a 15key today and we timed it. ive only healed a 14 so far but honestly makes heart beat too much feels unhealthy

[fierce isle]

gear doesn't matter anymore though, i'm perma BIS with Anu'relos :p

[still drum]

healing is the easiest role

[stable verge]

[neon prism]

Hey! Anyone know if there is a way to track the call of the elder cd? Like when its up to proc w starsurge

[thorn plover]

look at your debuffs

[pliant mist]

Came here to find this out. Dorki has it tracked somehow on his video from a couple days ago. He kept calling it Dream of Cenarius instead of Call of the Elder Druid so im going to try and add that to the cdm and see if that works.

[thorn plover]

you can track it with arcui

lol dorki doesnt even know what hes playing

true meme build

[pliant mist]

I played it tonight. Was a blast for me.

Only caveat was the tracking. Ill get it sorted.

[neon prism]

Like where my food buff is and stuff?

[thorn plover]

you get a debuff the entire time call of the elder druid is on cooldown

[limpid jacinth]

I swear, Seat feels 2 key levels harder than any other dungeon healing-wise

[pliant mist]

Yea its there just out of your usual field of view so not ideal.

[unique sedge]

It does feel harder indeed

[neon prism]

Ye 100%

[thorn plover]

you can make a timer bar in arcui to track it

havent heard of any other ways

[unique sedge]

I’ve seen some ppl play the meme kotg build with DC in 21 keys. Now, i’ve played it in 16-17 and felt like my healing was lacking a bit. How reliable is this build healing wise?

[thorn plover]

i dont have any issues with seat, but windrunner spire feels that way to me

[limpid jacinth]

Not.

[neon prism]

Dorki did some 20s on it today

[thorn plover]

jb had a good take on it on his stream, wish i clipped it
not recommended for non organized groups, leaves a lot of healing on the table, often gets heal checked between call procs

[limpid jacinth]

WS can vary hugely based upon group so I feel you on that. I’m just frustrated because I’ve spent all week banging my head against 19 seat. Got a few 20s today instead of continuing to suffer.

[gentle nova]

and?

dorki plays with yoda and r1 keyers

in your weekly no leaver 13s the tanks will pull 2 mobs and your starfires will heal for 25k

[thorn plover]

its just unfortunate the entire build relies on a bug

[unique sedge]

Yeah thats what i felt like. The usual kotg healing doesnt feel as strong as wildstalker

[thorn plover]

ya its a fair bit less healing

[unique sedge]

And i really like the regrowth regrowth insta starfire

[gentle nova]

thats a bug

and so is starfire damage

[thorn plover]

the build relies on 2 bugs

lol

[unique sedge]

Lmao

If they get fixed, bye bye?

[tough portal]

It'll never be fixed

[thorn plover]

voulk seemed somewhat confident it gets fixed

but who knows

could be 2 expansions from now

[unique sedge]

I did notice that im getting instant starfires for no reason. It counts as a cast on the lifebloom target, right?

[gentle nova]

counts nb i think

and also the cleave portion of starfire is using the moonkin mkodifier

70% of 100% damage

when resto should be 25% splash iirc

@tough portal

does each stak of blooms count for phosy

or just 1

[unique sedge]

Ik about that, its actually crazy

[tough portal]

It counts extra casts from Nature's Bounty and Rampant Growth interacting

[tough portal]

Nah no way, it all is just one hot tick, just stronger based on stacks

[gritty nova]

I did exactly 8 +10s this week spamming starfire (without DoC memes) and it was doing just as much as I was doing with cat previously ~25k overall, not sure what I was doing wrong, but that did not look so impressive considering starfire splash is bugged

[gentle nova]

did u spec into all talents

and MS

and call

[gritty nova]

def not call for the rest I think so?

[limpid jacinth]

post talents if you want feedback. Feel free to ignore if you’re just venting. 🙂

[gritty nova]

https://i.gyazo.com/7d743419fdbc7965cfb4efecb9cf3829.png

[gentle nova]

i think the big thing is kotg? and you need to spec call also for big pulls

[limpid jacinth]

if you’re just looking to do caster DPS in weeklies, take Call instead of NB and make sure to take 2nd Lycara’s talent in class tree.

Don’t use Sunfire unless you’re moving, just spam Starfire

It’s also… not great if your tank isn’t pulling big.

[gritty nova]

I'll try it next week I guess, it's not like i'm struggling in those, just trying to understand what all the fuss is about

[limpid jacinth]

Tbh, it’s not a huge increase in DPS for 98% of people

[rustic copper]

Are you still raiding

[tough portal]

Part of the damage gains is certainly from the trades you can make from healing to damage. But there are logs of Starfire spam alone doing over 30k DPS without Call and without offensive Convokes, excluding KOTG Moonfires

[limpid jacinth]

Im making assumptions but, I assume in a 10, tank is probably not sure secure and likely pulling pretty conservatively

[gentle nova]

nah

[rustic copper]

M+????

Or gg

[gentle nova]

gg until i find a guild that raids 2 or 3 days

cba raiding more

[rustic copper]

Raiding this much is cooking me

[gentle nova]

yep

cba man

join a ce guild

or hof 3 day

[thorn whale]

HOF 2 day

Goated

[gentle nova]

that dont exist

and if it does its better than liquid

[thorn whale]

? I’m literally in one

[gentle nova]

do u OT?

[thorn whale]

We have 3 days for the first two weeks

Elsewise no

[gentle nova]

u dont ot to get hof?

[thorn whale]

No?

Or idk we might but we’re not in a situation where we need to

[gentle nova]

ok so ur better than top 10

[thorn whale]

Definitely not, I think you’re overestimating how hard the bosses are when it’s WR 175-200 time

They get nerfed when we’re on them

We did have lowest amount of prog hours in the world in Nerubar palace tho

[bright swift]

I love garf so much

[plain rampart]

guys, do you usually just keep lifebloom on tank?

[thorn whale]

M+ you keep lifebloom on whoever needs the most healing for that moment

[rustic copper]

Do you commit lb and sm to crystals?

[bright swift]

Only the second one

[rustic copper]

Do you convoke 1st ones?

[bright swift]

I convoke the add spawns

All 3

So I still have rejuvs up

[rustic copper]

Do you convoke before they come out

Or do you try to hit them with convoke spells

[bright swift]

I like using lifebloom on 1 seed, 2 regrowths on the others and then using SM+sotf+NS

[rustic copper]

I think if you do that sotf rn doesn’t cleave them

[bright swift]

Before yes, otherwise convoke isn't up for intermission

[rustic copper]

Only nb

[bright swift]

Yes that's fine

[rustic copper]

Because they have rg hot sotf ns doesn’t hit

[bright swift]

It's mostly for NB

We have a paladin so the 2 other seeds are mostly covered

I just need to help with 1

[rustic copper]

Oh

[thorn whale]

Do you have a mw

[rustic copper]

We have 2

I don’t want to move my lb

That’s going to cook my mana

[thorn whale]

I think I’m doing like half hpal hps on those seeds

@bright swift are you still innervating your hpal?

[bright swift]

Yes

First one at least

P2 is for me for now

[thorn whale]

Yeah makes sense

[molten crater]

Do we have somewhere that isn’t this everscrolling chatroom where we have an overview of current bugs?

[lilac tide]

Does anyone else have tips for me how to heal the final boss in Skyreach? I feel like everyone's dropping so low so fast :/

[gentle nova]

we dont discuss bugs

[rustic coyote]

Hi everyone! I have two questions related to PoS and MgT m+: PoS) how do you handle curse of torment if more people get it in a short window and there are no dispells (key +16); MgT) corridor pull before second boss, is it possible that glaives ticks so much that LB + hots and reg cannot heal the player?

Mgt was +17

[fervent mica]

you just have to heal extra curses off. and if your dps aren't popping defensive when they get 2 stacks they're dead

[spare maple]

Glaives hurt. Need cds for them and be prepared with a lot of hots on your party, don't waste globals on dpsing there until u can comfortably top the team. 🙂 Same in Pos really, i usually send LB on the second curse dispell target, and spam on them.

[rustic coyote]

Thanks! Is there a way to intercept the curse target? I see the "shard of the curse" flying, but that's when LB will not have 3 stacks yet by then

[rustic coyote]

Ye, I am aware that healing dispel that curse. Sometimes damage was just high, I guess I have to extra focus on that

We managed to time the +16, but for higher keys I have work around better

[fallow spade]

hey a bit of a newbie question, but can someone explain to me when you would go KotG over wildstalker in M+? I only have druid as an alt, but I really enjoy resto.

[fervent mica]

when you're doing content that is trivial to you, mostly.

[unique sedge]

When its a lower key and u wanna do big dam

[fallow spade]

So it would fit for casual 12s no? I dont plan to push higher on this character.

[unique sedge]

Yes

[fervent mica]

you sac a good bit of healing to get a bunch of damage, so the worse the group plays the harder it becomes for you. but as long as you've got gear it should not matter

at that level

[haughty garden]

What am I losing by running the kotg/call caster setup but swapping to WS? 10% Starfire damage and treat moonfires or is there another reason it wouldn't work?

[tidal lance]

there is or was a bug with blooming infusion/swift mend

[fervent mica]

blooming infusion

[haughty garden]

Ah

[fervent mica]

with nature's bounty. every regrowth triggers a proc for instant starfire

[empty vale]

op

[uncut hedge]

for myth reroll ihave to go

a hero m+?

where hero drops or myth crests

[fervent mica]

10+

[uncut hedge]

kk

[celest zinc]

hey can I get like your top 3 things for raid healing?

I'm running out of mana all the time in LFR and my healing numbers are embarassingly low.

My current go-to is spreading reju like crazy and regrowth when I see anybody with lower hp. Using convoke and tranq on raid damage

[molten crater]

Not interested in discussing bugs, I was just wondering where one could be made aware of which bugs exist

[grand herald]

Spreading RJ like crazy is a huge mistake

Id read a guide

You should probably also read the common mistakes section in the pinned faq

[glossy onyx]

Imo LFR isn't the best place to work out any healing kinks, you should try running some dungeons to see what's going wrong without any other healers around

[grand herald]

I dont think dungeons do much at all for learning how to heal raid

[glossy onyx]

Just pressing rejuv randomly sounds like more than learning to heal raid

[grand herald]

You can still do the proper rotation in a LFR

[forest hull]

these tips could be outdated, but, dont regrowth unless you have 10+ rejuvs out.

ensure you take Master Shapeshifter and spam wrath in the lower-damage less-healing phases

spam hots out invluding a WG 10s before pull, then drink a pot at 1s before pull and youll be at 100% mana with a bunnch of hots out within about 2-3 seconds.

use innervate and mana pot on cooldown

[grand herald]

Yeah those tips are pretty bad

[fervent mica]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes

[celest zinc]

this is how my healing was. I was WAY better with mana when I only did swiftment + 1 additional rejuv

[ruby wave]

Is it possible to track if "Call of the Elder Druids" is rdy? I just can show when its active on CDM, also good to know, but kinda useless to plan for the future

[distant birch]

its a debuff on you i think

when its not available

[grand herald]

You really shouldnt rely on in game meters

Log your fights

But yes, you need to read a guide badly

[celest zinc]

the guide feels like incredibly complex. I would kill for a short version with like 3-5 most important things to do/know.

Is it because druid is just hugely complex or predictive?

[velvet cloak]

I thought wowhead had a short guide/TL;DR

[celest zinc]

I'll find it, thanks for the directions ❤️

[velvet cloak]

Okay it's a little bit more involved than the other healer guides on wowhead

But it does have a "do this generally outside of ramps, do this to build ramps and inside ramps"

[celest zinc]

its like my m+ runs, I have full set of hots on everyone and they are still dying and I'm panic healing all the time 😄

need some basics 😄

[simple rivet]

dont panic 😄

[slender gust]

Am I crazy, or is H L'ura P1 heal check pretty trivial? I feel like the only time there's something to heal is if a mech gets messed up. Crystals don't even have enough HP that I could get through the full cast sequence for them that Niko gave me earlier. I was expecting to be sweating bullets like Alleria P1

[gentle nova]

Niko is doing mythic lol

Heroic bosses are trivial yes

[slender gust]

TBF my question to him did say Heroic L'ura I'm pretty sure

[gentle nova]

People are 15 ilvl above heroic ilvl

Yeah but he did it 2 weeks ago

[slender gust]

My coclass was playing old build and she had tree every time crystals spawned, either from the actual button or refo proc, and was basically soloing them instantly. I ended up trying to steal HPS from her by holding convoke for Crystals to test my theory that she was gapping me b/c of crystals, and I was in fact right. But also holding Convoke for that just to steal HPS from someone playing an outdated build is cringe behavior

[dapper scarab]

take into account when bugfixes come in for the SF damage, are we going to be catweaving or boomie for M+?

[slender gust]

Boomie. It's not ever been b/c sunfire is good. Starfire is very good rn

Pressing Sunfire at all is lower value than a starfire. It's just a movement global

[gentle nova]

Probably not boomie when they fix starfire

[slender gust]

If they fix it. I feel like that's one of those kinds of bugs that gets left in the game forever b/c nobody can be bothered to look into it

[gentle nova]

Theyll fix it

[tough portal]

Doubt

The Starfire cleave amount is extremely simple but it's also been reported over and over since xpac started

The Blooming Infusion proc surplus has been a thing since the start of last xpac too

Through one talent or another

[worthy phoenix]

Anyone have any tips regarding Veximus? Just struggled hardcore through a 15, having difficulties figuring out how to handle the back-to-back 60-80% bursts

[spark palm]

soo I tried out the new KOTG/DC build yesterday and had mixed results. Couldn't keep up in a 12 POS, then breezed through a 13 after with no deaths at all. Night and day difference. It's extremely fun to play and I'd like to keep it, I honestly don't even know if I could've saved that other group anyway. How do you guys feel about this?

[tough portal]

Like idk either the dev team just dont have time to tackle these bugs cuz they're omega understaffed, or the dev in charge of druid is happy to see Starfire get propped up by bugs. Maybe both.

[tough portal]

I think it's boring as all shit and I wish they would give back the atonement + turret spam 1 spell to Disc with Smite instead

Personally

Or maybe just to no spec, idk if the disc playerbase enjoyed how the spec was late DF

[dusky glacier]

is there a way to track when call of the elder druid is ready ?

[sand spruce]

hey is there a way to keep my swiftmend from being greyed out on my CDM if i dont have rejuv?

[narrow monolith]

Look at your debuffs ?

[hallow fractal]

disc tww s1 was p fun with the voidweaver stuff

[tough portal]

There's an addon on Curseforge called Keep Swiftmend Bright or something like that

Not sure if it still works

[plain steeple]

Yesterday it worked.

[slender gust]

I enjoyed Voidweaver disc meta in S1 Tww

Spec hasn't hit right since

[eternal loom]

since 12.5 seen people do KotG in M+ is this good?

[slender gust]

Give me big blue chonky smites and void rifts please and thank. That was fun as hell

[tough portal]

Have you considered

That you just wanna play DPS instead?

[slender gust]

Atonements go BRRRRRRR

Lay on hands every global in CDs

[limpid jacinth]

IMO, AA is a good dungeon for NB (Crawth and Vexamus) and for Prosp (first three bosses and good nights to alternate LB on tank for buster and then pandemic swap it to a DPS, so you don’t want to extend it with VI). One of the bigger problems that I see on Vex is healers running the puddles out to Africa and, thus, being out of range. You don’t need to go that far. Pre-ramp before DOTs go out, move a bit out and then spam Regrowth until puddles drop. You don’t need to instant top everyone after every puddles, just every other (knock back happens every second set). Save NS / Convoke for after the second puddles to top everyone up for the big smash + knockback… otherwise, let your HOTs do their job and slowly bring people back up.

[tough portal]

Convoke, Swiftmend into NS SOTF Regrowth

Can do lots on the move

[tidal sigil]

How much is the reduced effect of mastery stacks per hot?

[grand tinsel]

Anyone using Elvui and does not see defensives on party frames?

or, knows how to make it show? 😄

[reef holly]

Thats filter settings in the specific frame window, there are guides how to set it up properly

[celest zinc]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/PYC1ZxgkTnFfprvK/12-LFR+Crown+of+the+Cosmos+-+Kill+(8:03)/162-Lehmädruidi/standard omg this analyzer is amazing. It tells me exactly what I need to fix.

Any idea if this works for m+ also?

[tough portal]

M+ just has lots of downtime and very different healing situations for a tool like this

[celest zinc]

theres alot of red here 😄

[spark palm]

Ok so I'm just gonna keep blasting Starfires in my 12s and 13s and if people die I tell them it's their own fault. Easy

[distant birch]

thats how its done

[reef holly]

Can any one explain how we want to maximize lifebloom in raiding? Do I basiclly aim to never cast it but always extend with sm? I was comparing my Councillog with some top logs and have half the lifebloom healing🤡

[celest zinc]

I have addon called "MiniCC" for this, I like it very much

[rare oar]

anyone knows how i can setup in grid2 when the last skyreach boss targets the 3 players how i can see that?

[obtuse dragon]

hello, is the starfall from heart of the wild and the one from convoke rewriting each other, or can they overlap ?

[spring raptor]

hey fellow restos, i am thinking of pull the point from Tranq and putting it in improved swiftmend

how hard am i trolling?

for M+

[spark river]

Hard

You should already play is

[tough portal]

Make a privateaura indicator and the debuff for who the boss is targeting will show there

[rare oar]

tyvm!

[spring raptor]

Idk somehow i feel like it does meh healing for 3 mins but i also just started healing so that's why i was unsure

[rare oar]

u prolly need more hots out before pressing it rocket

[spark river]

Do a key where you need healing and suddenly it will be worth it

[deft oar]

heyo, can i ask what I can do for better crystal healing? I'm not sure what the optimal way to heal them is atm I've just kinda been doing
lifebloom -> wg -> sm -> ns -> regrowth spam

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xykz96YtTCGadRxf?fight=49&type=healing&target=190

[spark river]

Yeah you need to have rolling hots before tranq

[urban bone]

A solid tranq timed into a big group damage event feels so good to watch the hp bars top up almost the instant they drop down.

[grizzled seal]

1, 0.7, 0.6, 0.5, etc. Reducing by 0.1 after second

[half timber]

Got the first 4 bosses down in HC Voidspire with pugs, slowly progressing 😄

[grand tinsel]

As a complement to elvui?

[grizzled seal]

If you want to cleave with SM NS then you can't regrowth other crystals. Also shouldn't your monk be doing more on them?

I was under the impression monks carried that shit

[deft oar]

im only regrowthing the one

[tidal sigil]

Ty!

[hard loom]

Amen

[deft oar]

idk i can only change what i do to them just wanna know how i can heal more

[grizzled seal]

I think you have to move lifebloom and also (different comp, I know) we started healing them one by one instead of all together

[bright swift]

What

[deft oar]

move it in what way

[bright swift]

You for sure should assign one per healer to start with

And give them externals

[deft oar]

is it worth to bark them even without the improved bark talents just to reduce how much they tick down?

[grizzled seal]

Probably yeah

[grizzled seal]

We are playing a paladin

[bright swift]

Yeah same

[grizzled seal]

We just told him to heal one to full then move to the next and heal that to full

Cuz he was trying to equally get them up

[thorn whale]

Think we do half of hpal

[bright swift]

Yes that's exactly what I just said

[grizzled seal]

I'm not assigned to any one crystal

[bright swift]

I am

[thorn whale]

Told them to not touch the bottom cause I do that one

And hpal does top 2

[grizzled seal]

I heal two of them a bit, I think that's more efficient

[thorn whale]

And rest helps

[bright swift]

How would healing 2 ever be more efficient with how mastery works

[grizzled seal]

Because of nature's bounty cleave

[bright swift]

Yes I swap lb to mine, regrowth the other 2 once and then start slamming mine

[grizzled seal]

If I do one regrowth one the second crystal my first one is now doing 20% more

Ok so you are also not just spamming one crystal

Good comms

[bright swift]

I am mostly

I also barely even touch the first set

[grizzled seal]

Yeah first set is whatever

I do still dump NS there cuz why not

But on the second I also do swiftmend

I try to WG as they spawn and then swiftmend whichever crystal gets symb proc

[velvet cloak]

I guess I never really thought about it, but does VI extend WS blooms?

[tough portal]

No

They did once promise Flourish would

And then it just faked it

And they gave up on it

[velvet cloak]

[tough portal]

(Flourish would extend the number for the duration, then they would all expire anyways with 8s left on timer)

[proven phoenix]

I feel the opposite lmfao we have no hpal but our shaman links the second set

I dont touch the 2nd set at all

but giga spam 1st

[half timber]

for logging yourself, what addon do I need and does it do logs every key /raid?

[proven phoenix]

this is our first set healing

[bright swift]

Yeah I could do a lot to it

But I don't cuz the pala has innervate

[proven phoenix]

im still not sure whether putting rejuv and lb on the crystal im spamming is good

or even wild growth

I wild growth for a symb bloom

[grizzled seal]

We have paladin with innervate on both sets

[bright swift]

Oh yeah that's good

[tidal sigil]

do /combatlog in chat. After turning it on in settings. Its a default thing in wow. It creates a text file. Then use warcraftlogs (an actual program) to upload it

[half timber]

i see

thx

[thorn whale]

@grizzled seal @proven phoenix @bright swift could you send your latest prog logs? I’m tryna see something

[bright swift]

I public log mate

Vestige guild

[proven phoenix]

all of us public log

nurfed guild

[thorn whale]

Thanks team

I forgot they get uploaded to the guilds

[real carbon]

Hey @bright swift ! I saw one of your mythic raid videos lately, Lightcrazed Vanguard I believe it was. You had an audio reminder and a timer for every major heal CD. Is that a thing you set up or? I'm not a usual CE raider, so maybe that's a super standard thing everyone knows but me.

[stray cipher]

You can turn on auto logging with the raider.io app

[bright swift]

Yes that's through wowutils and northern sky raidtools

[slender gust]

Am I insane for thinking this character should bonus roll H Alleria instead of going for Myth dungeon pieces?

[sudden rover]

yes

[tough portal]

Yes

[sudden rover]

bonus roll for mythic only

[real carbon]

Is there a standardized version for all mythic fights I can download, or do I need to set it up myself? It seemed patent that you were using it to maximize throughput of your CDs on exact rigid timings

Unless the healers in a specific group are trying to coordinate major cds between themselves or something

[bright swift]

You can copy timers from lorrgs but no there's no default

Guilds make these themselves based on comp

[real carbon]

That's very interesting, thank you!

I mostly pug mythic, so I wanted to work on improving my own contribution as much as possible

[slender gust]

What dungeons are even worth bonus rolling in this situation? Nexus Point is a common choice, but I already have Myth weapon, so only the one ring and chest are truly chase items. And H Ribbon blows basically every myth dungeon trinket out of the water

[bright swift]

You need a lot of tier

Or just coin for alnseer

[deft oar]

is there an addon to know when u have spatial chat

[bright swift]

Let me know if you find it

[fervent mica]

pug mythic chim and roll there... 1000%

[deft oar]

i might cook a (relatively shit) one

[slender gust]

Is Mythic Chim even a thing ppl are pugging?

[deft oar]

that works like the pi request

[bright swift]

For sure

[deft oar]

where it just sees a whisper sent to u and starts a timer

[fervent mica]

yeah. i did it on my dps alt this week... got my trinket

[bright swift]

I don't need a request one. I need to see when I have it on me

[tough frigate]

Potentially dumb question here, I'm not new to resto as such, but I'm new to trying to improve my play - the healing aspect is fine, I really struggle with the bits in-between where healing GCDs are mostly not worth it

My biggest issue is hotkeys though, I struggle to hotkey damage spells and healing at the same time - is click casting the answer? Binds that have more than one purpose?

[deft oar]

yeye thats not what i mean.
the request pi one just looks at whispers and displays a message when u get a whisper
if you ask the evoker to put a whisper macro in his spatial button you could do something similar with displaying a timer when u see a whisper

[bright swift]

Click casting solves a lot of your issues yes

Rejuv and regrowth are left and right mouseclick for me

[slender gust]

^^^ This is the way. When I switched to this, my HPS went up insta like 15%

[tough frigate]

I'll need to do some practice, my monkey brain has committed things to muscle memory I need to untrain 😂

[tough portal]

Clickcasters weird me out

[polar lichen]

wtf

[tough portal]

MRW click casters

[tough frigate]

I swapped shadowmeld and tranq recently and I have shamefully tranqued at weird points

[bright swift]

Why...

[polar lichen]

is this clickbait

[tough portal]

Idk just feels unnatural

It goes against the order of things

Using mouse clicks as keybinds

[bright swift]

Cooked take

[tough portal]

Idek how you cant find keybinds on your keyboard and would have to resort to that

Crazy stuff

[bright swift]

It's not only that

[spark river]

Its what works best for you as a person

I could never do click casting tbh

[bright swift]

Clicking is just easier than pressing keybinds

[tough portal]

https://tenor.com/view/bolsonaro-trump-bolso-trump-trumpsonaro-right-gif-12295486

[tough portal]

I'm printing and framing this

[bright swift]

Ok this is in regards to mouseover healing , not clicking abilities

[polar lichen]

idk obviously either way works but i think pressing a button on the mouse with the hand that i'm already using to move the mouse over the right unit frame is easier than ~coordinating~ both hands

[half timber]

and how do I see that in warcraft logs then?

[tough portal]

Yeah look I'm not a bully

So I will remove myself from the conversation

[grizzled seal]

Public too

[spark river]

gigachads public logging unlike a certain rg spammer

[polar lichen]

ive been stuck in bonus roll indecision since the refunds

got chest, good ring, boots from nexus point. still need weapon. do i roll nxp again?? are my drops in duplicate protection? who knows

[spark river]

You should just yolo them

i skipped nexus point for that reason

went windrunner and got heart of wind

[gritty nova]

I forgot to switch loot to feral and got 2nd l'ura staff

[thorn whale]

Yeah I just forgot they get logged to guilds and I can find em there

[gritty nova]

that was so sad

[polar lichen]

how hard can raiding be anyway. maybe i simply pug mythic dreamrift

[spring fractal]

Can't bonus roll a third Lura staff though!

[gritty nova]

but now it's the same odds- out of 3 items I don't want helm and 2 others are hits

[tough portal]

Hardest part is getting invited without any logs, and 2nd hardest is having no kick to help with fears

[sudden goblet]

be prepared to wipe 60+ times if u join learning grps that keep on disbanding

[half timber]

https://giphy.com/gifs/wtf-bruh-he-doesnt-know-RXtD0Rt2xrUxIvJYkP

[spark river]

Myth dreamrift is pretty easy now

Most pugs wipe on fear interrupts

[polar lichen]

damn

are they that much harder on mythic

[grizzled seal]

Most guild groups wipe on interrupts too

[distant birch]

yes

[split talon]

any tips on what dungeon that is considered "best" to coin? I dont really have any bis items atm 264 ilvl

no crafted wep either, but I can craft right away if needed'

[grizzled seal]

Mythic to heroic raid is like 8 key levels equivalent in difficulty

[spark river]

nexus point is best to coin

skyreach is also ok

i yolod a windrunner coin and got heart of wind

[distant birch]

I sented 4 coins into nexus point, still no weppy 🚬

[spark river]

depends how much of a gambling man are you

[split talon]

was considering nexus

[polar lichen]

skyreach would be sick for me in my stupid position if i didnt already have chest/boots/cape

[spark river]

i got a one hander from skyreach so i missed out there but chest and weapon are both nice

[polar lichen]

windrunner spire as guardian is probably my objectively best bet but not having weapon feels bad.

[snow dome]

Spire has the trinket, which is pretty high value if you don’t mythic raid (and definitely if you don’t heroic raid), but the rest of the drops are pretty average

[spark river]

I did it as balance

It seems I have most luck as balance

[knotty goblet]

Windrunner is good, especially if you don't have myth legs/shoulders, then you have 3 options and Ember trinket is not "bad" either. So potentially 4 useful drops.

[stray cipher]

You need to make an account, then I use the archon.GG app to link it all together and upload live logs

[split talon]

ty for tips

[polar lichen]

yeah, still hero legs/shoulders/belt

[spring fractal]

Or just read your own log file directly

[polar lichen]

man

they really either gotta change how crests (and vault slots and bonus rolls) work or remove 1h/oh from the game

[grizzled seal]

I wouldn't use coins on something "not bad" and coining for tier is kinda shit anyway

It drops so often from the vault, can just wait

[haughty ibex]

is the best state it’s ever been at wym

[distant birch]

you will also probably get tier while trying to coin for something else

[thorn whale]

Smh

[polar lichen]

rolling 1h weapon instead of 2h just feels incredibly bad. no ones gonna craft one.

[spark river]

i got 3 agility weapons and a guardian trinket

you scammed me

[thorn whale]

Just loot it bro

[spark river]

that was my vault

[thorn whale]

Have you seen my trinkets

[fervent mica]

did you lose them?

[haughty ibex]

I mean just like rolling for the wrong item feels bad, u just gotta evaluate and take ur chances in the best dungeon/boss

[fervent mica]

my alt dps got puzzle box first roll... and myth gaze with reroll refunds... its so much better geared than druid at this point

[thorn whale]

Yeah playing without em atm to sandbag these crazy buffs that we got

[distant birch]

my druid was gonna roll for stare but we didnt kill dragons ggs

cant even get it in vault now

[thorn whale]

:((

[fervent mica]

i really don't want stare /-:

so tired of on use

[spark river]

Same value as how and you dont have to on use

[ashen quiver]

are we really playing keeper in keys now cus of big dam?

[spark river]

no

Its a fun build to play in your weekly keys or with a set team

It is not something you would play if you want to push keys

[distant birch]

i wouldnt roll for it on resto

just need for bamkin

[solid hemlock]

my tokens gave me a vers cloak and emberwing 🙁

[distant birch]

idk if i would even bother to use it on resto if i got it

[weary void]

At which point should I start dropping haste and focus on mastery for m+? Or should I just stick to haste mastery, but use all haste enchants up to the first diminishing returns point?

[ashen quiver]

oh okay.. i think jdot have been doing a +20 as keeper thogh, but i really wanna play WS instead xD

[spark river]

Jb played in a set team

Jb also said what I ve told you

[ashen quiver]

yea all good.. i just logged into my rdruid and wanna push it higher.. so was just checking whats new xD

[spark river]

You lose 10% healing for some damage and the average key of druid dropped since people started playing this build

[tough portal]

Yeah it's just like playing your odds right?
If you dont play wow as your job and want to give yourself the best chance to time your keys in your limited time, you wouldnt play the DOC build

But ofc maybe you just wanna see how it is and maybe you enjoy it in keys you arent worried about

[thorn whale]

Wat

[spark river]

You should find what works best for you. Higher mastery is better in keys.

[fallen dune]

its actually hard to play doc build in high keys, i struggle even in a 12, and with ws im running 16 and 17

[distant birch]

its on use and it doesnt line up, seems kinda annoying tbh

not saying its bad ofc

[fallen dune]

or at least i dont know how to play doc build

[thorn whale]

Not that annoying to use

You use it with conv + tranq, and then for 1 convoke ish, and then it’s back for your convoke + tranq

[weary void]

Thanks, just wasn't sure I've checked logs and at least in 20 lvl keys haste flask with already 1100 haste or so is still used. Wildstalker

[thorn whale]

I used it on Alleria kill

Was good timings

[tough portal]

Yeah the talent swaps really limit the ceiling on your healing so if you're used to being able to perma heal and blast through any damage that doesnt one-shot, it's a noticeable nerf

[rustic coyote]

I found it to be a really risky build that you don't wanna learn to play with pugs. Few mistakes from people and it becomes a mess

[uncut topaz]

So we dont catweave in m+?

[fallen dune]

also, doc can ignore dots but im not sure what the amount of ads is required. Like from 5-6 adds u might ignore heavy dots, but sometimes i feel like smth is not procing and healing is not enough

[rustic coyote]

You can spec both and alternate, Hotw is better in cat

[fallen dune]

im now playing in higher stones with cat for st and starfires for packs, still havent found the best setup to maximize dmg but at least this avoids wipes

[tough portal]

And sometimes your next Starfire is gonna do a good chunk hitting 7 targets

But you have to cancel it 2s into the cast

And someone bleeds out on you cuz of that

[spark river]

Prioritise keeping the group alive, the damage is just a bonus

[fallen dune]

The thing is, with the doc build dmg is not a bonus anymore

u need to be hitting hard or everyone is dead

[urban kestrel]

just keep dpsing if your dps dies they shouldve wog'd themselves

[fallen dune]

u cant afford 2 wrong gcds

[spark river]

Well thats why u dont play it at any challenging key level

[marsh prism]

i did my 4 vault keys earlier and starfire is actuyally so embarrassing to cast

just like

🧍

[lethal lichen]

Yeah

[fallen dune]

not gonna take this as an example, but ppl were playing it in 20s

[lethal lichen]

Same shit I dunno cat feels more comfortable

[drowsy notch]

tried one run with starfire, cursed for the 60th time about cancelling the cast, and will never spec it again i think lol

[fallen dune]

it does like 200k dps in packs, its insane

[marsh prism]

youre a real one

[spark river]

Literally read what I ve said a couple of messages above

[fallen dune]

id recommend only using starfire with the coted active and only start on instacast

[spark river]

You re not playing this in your pugs

Even the people playing it in 20s are telling you that

[fallen dune]

ye ye, just wanted to mention that it can be done, and if u manage to do it, its a great advantage bc of the extra dmg

but ofc its not the best idea

[lethal lichen]

Pugs it's so time consuming rollecostear of emotions

[fallen dune]

yea, playing with pugs is coinflip

[thorn whale]

Yeah this will always be true

But important to give advice based on what is usually best - It would also be best to never heal if you could pull that off

[spark river]

I mean face made a comparison literally 10 hours ago how much hps was needed for a 14 crawth vs a 19 crawth

[lethal lichen]

Some dd doesn't even know they have a def button for yourself

[rustic coyote]

It is a dice roll with 1 out of 6 to get a valid group

[spark river]

The group in a 19 crawth took less damage than the 14 pug

So yeah its not the same playing field

[fallen dune]

lets not even mention the potions

a freaking LoH for 5g

and ppl pref to stay at 10% hp

[rustic coyote]

Definitely, doing m+ with at least Healer, tank and one kick dps where you can coordinate on discord makes your day

Plus in pug people forget they have externals

Bleed dot > bleed end > external. Dude.....

[lethal lichen]

Tbh I fogorg about potions too, but nah, as dd I use they often

[lethal lichen]

Man
Hunter died 3 times in a row bc of this

[rustic coyote]

Because you don't reach +19 if you are bad, while people can still be carried in a +14

[bright swift]

you guys would really benefit from just not playing with randoms

[spark river]

Imagine having friends

couldnt be me

[bright swift]

guild?

[lethal lichen]

My group get rekt by irl

[spark river]

I play in a casual guild

So no luck there

[rustic coyote]

Totally agree, that's why me and a friend we found someone to group with, total different level of game and enjoyment

[grizzled seal]

The animation is also bugged

Annoying as shit

Just have hands raised and standing there

[solid hemlock]

builds character 😄 Or increases cortisol levels maybe

[thick summit]

Can anyone explain why in m+ sometimes shadowmeld allows me to sit and drink and sometimes it doesn’t. Is it proximity to the mobs? I will do it when there is no aoe things going out and I’m not targeted and sometimes it still doesn’t work to meld and drink

[fervent mica]

treants

[spark river]

Play good enough so you never have to drink

Problem solved

[thorn whale]

This doesn’t exist haha

[fervent mica]

play low enough content so you never have to drink

[harsh lance]

Hey! Once again, grove, I need your help. Did you find a way to track the CD of Call of the Elder Druid ?

[spark river]

The high key pushers sure are chugging those drinks

[fallen dune]

i track the coted buff with the cooldown manager

cant u ? @harsh lance

[thorn whale]

Are you being sarcastic or

[knotty goblet]

It's the ICD debuff they want tracked

[harsh lance]

yeah, I'm tracking the buff as well but I'm talking about the cooldown

[spark river]

Yeah I thought it was obvious

[knotty goblet]

It's literally under debuff tho

[harsh lance]

Ohhh, thanks.

I think I found it.

[fallen dune]

i mean it would be obvious if it made any sense

[knotty goblet]

Would be nice to break out and move it where you like it, but alas.

[spark river]

Which part are you struggling with?

The sarcasm or the mana problems?

[harsh lance]

I struggle with mana a lot but I feel like good druid player struggle less than I do. I can see when I compare log that's I'm way to safe playing way to much rejuv when better player rely more on their knowledge / CD usage

[fallen dune]

Dude, mana problems come mainly from too much damage to the party, not always how the healer plays

[grizzled seal]

🙄

There are plenty of ways to play more efficiently than people generally do

[knotty goblet]

Try Master shapeshifter

[fallen dune]

yea ofc u can play more efficiently, but that doesnt mean u just cant have mana problems

[knotty goblet]

It's basicly OOM proof

[spark river]

If you re having mana problems in keys, you re not playing it right

We spec out of innervate because we are very comfortable with mana in keys

[knotty goblet]

+1

[harsh lance]

What would you consider mana problem ?

[spark river]

Consistently having to drink during keys

[drowsy notch]

so anyone know wtf the healing "redirect" debuff in Nexus Point actually does? experimented, googled, i got nuthin

[harsh lance]

I'm usually able to play a segment without needing to slow the group but on some specific dungeon or after bosses I usually need a drink break.

[knotty goblet]

As in your mana is what when you need to drink?

80%? 20%?

[grizzled seal]

If you have to drink in keys now you are just playing bad

[thorn whale]

Alright I haven’t pushed this season yet, but last season there was no shot you go through floodgate without having to drink 2-3 times

[fervent mica]

not drinking at all in 17/18s /-:

[thorn whale]

Yeah ofc you don’t have to drink in 17/18s

[grizzled seal]

Now you play Ms and you genuinely need to be hard afk to go even close to oom

[harsh lance]

My feeling is that in key were I'm resi, I don't drink but on key where I'm feeling under pressure I'm just overhealing. (so currently 18 I'm chilling, 19 I'm sweating)

[thorn whale]

You only play MS if you play caster no?

[spark river]

It is physically impossible to oom with ms

[fallen dune]

so u guys are tripping now, this guy asked smth and the solution is "get gud"?

[spark river]

Yeah ms is only caster

You still go liveliness for cat

[grizzled seal]

Caster does more dmg so

[thorn whale]

Yeah I wouldn’t play ms or caster

[harsh lance]

What's Ms ?

[spark river]

Yes

[fallen dune]

xD k

[grizzled seal]

I don't hold religious attachment to talents, I just play whatever is better

[grizzled seal]

Correct

[thorn whale]

Me neither

I just don’t believe it’s better

[spark river]

Master Shapeshifter

[grizzled seal]

Use more swiftmend, get higher abundance and your mana will be higher

People will rather blame anything else but themselves

Rewatch your vod and check how many mistakes you are making

I'm yet to rewatch my vod and see less than 10 wrong gcds a minute

[thorn whale]

Do you believe caster dps scales into high keys

Cause I don’t

[grizzled seal]

Why wouldn't it

You can still hotw in cat

[thorn whale]

More globals for less ST damage

Yeah but it does less since you have 0 phys amps in your talent tree

[fallen dune]

i dont think he blamed anyone, he was asking about smth he didnt understand, idk why u guys think the answer is saying "dont have mana problems" when the question is "why i cant drink in this situation"

[thorn whale]

Like I’m seeing same or slightly lower ST DPS for 5x the globals in logs

[grizzled seal]

Did you offer anything useful yourself?

[fallen dune]

i dont know the answer so i didnt answer

which i think its better than being rude

[spark river]

Its not being rude

Its actual advice

[grizzled seal]

Fuck my life

[supple seal]

The best answer to that question is to teach how to not need to do it.

You shouldnthave to meld to drink as you shouldn’t have to drink

[fervent mica]

you did though? you said that mana problems come from too much damage

[fallen dune]

i didnt answer him, i answered the other guy saying smth else

[fervent mica]

you answered in literally the worst way possible. by blaming other people

[spark river]

Which is literally false

[fervent mica]

after they were already told why they're getting combat locked

[harsh lance]

So, let's refocus a bit on the mana problem, what do you guys think are the main reason / mistakes people makes that are generating them mana issue ?

[thorn plover]

Too much rejuvs

[spark river]

Hardcasting too many rejuvs

[fervent mica]

its almost always spamming rejuv when it doesn't do anything

[fallen dune]

didnt see it, where?

[spark river]

Not using swiftmend enough

[harsh lance]

On my side, I feel like I'm not understanding the dungeon and the ability of the packs enough and I'm just spraying rejuv "to be prepared" when I could DPS .

[spark river]

Spamming rejuvs into full hp bars when no damage is coming is why you re oom all the time

[grizzled seal]

You can have 6-8 rejuvs rolling all the time by just pressing swiftmend on cd

[thorn plover]

Sotf rejuv should cover most your rejuvs

[grizzled seal]

If you cast a shit ton of rejuv then you just don't cast swiftmend

[thorn plover]

Shouldn't have to spread it much at all

[harsh lance]

Even on bosses you would not ramp ?

[spark river]

You dont really have a ramp in m+

[fallen dune]

oh u meant that, didnt understand it ^^

[fervent mica]

they lock you in combat regardless of meld... or anything else

[grizzled seal]

You ramp by pressing swiftmend a lot

[fallen dune]

still, i was not blaming others, but this is getting a bit out of hand, and idk why im fighting someone elses fight so..

[thorn plover]

First day on the internet?

[harsh lance]

Before any damage ocurence I'm like putting 2 rejuv on every people, it's over kill ?

[grizzled seal]

If your swiftmend cpm is low then your mana will suck yes

[thorn plover]

Very

[spark river]

Yes

[grizzled seal]

Link the log

[harsh lance]

I'm just playing the game wrong I feel.

[distant birch]

dont we all

[polar lichen]

I don't

[spark river]

Yeah you do

[thorn whale]

Yes even torty wants to play caster 😡😡

[polar lichen]

I'm currently not playing at all because I'm in bed

[harsh lance]

I know it because high level player have a really different playstyle but I just can't seem the copy the playstyle of better player and have success

[distant birch]

Sweet dreams homie

[spark river]

You can always improve

[grizzled seal]

There is no such thing as playstyle

[fervent mica]

its all practice

[harsh lance]

@grizzled seal : I get what you mean.

[grizzled seal]

They play better because they use their best spells more and cast more spells in general

If you watch Vickman or Jtodb they arent just afk in keys, they are always casting something

[spark river]

Look at their gameplay and see what they are doing different, also ask them why are they doing that

To understand

Vickman loves to yap

A lot

And he also has commentary on yt

[grizzled seal]

Ok that's a streamer debuff but when he plays he plays well

[thorn whale]

Just don’t mention stats

And you’re good

[spark river]

the notorious

3

1

[thorn whale]

💀

[urban kestrel]

jb is always casting something and it isnt healing spells

that mang loves to dps

starfire buff is reviving his pash

[thorn plover]

Guys I'm new to rdruid. How much haste should I have? I was told the hard cap is 31. Tia

[grizzled seal]

[distant birch]

its 32

[thorn plover]

Also how do I track call of the elder druid

[urban kestrel]

bro log in mop classic

we're haste capping

[polar lichen]

is "get more mastery in m+" real

[spark river]

Higher mastery does feel better in keys, but telling people you have to have this set number is misleading

[fervent mica]

more haste, more mastery

[grizzled seal]

Yes, mastery is an insane healing stat

[polar lichen]

qelive is still pointing me towards haste>mastery and like there's a dungeon toggle

[fervent mica]

items can have both stats, those are the nice ones

[grizzled seal]

Resto druid mastery in 5m is the best throughput stat in the game

Out of all stats for all specs

[polar lichen]

I'm sure the fate of my keys doesn't remotely depend on this but I'm looking at a staff with mastery>haste and one with haste>mastery and squinting

[spark river]

me equipping my paladins ring as we speak

[grizzled seal]

Swapping 20 rating around does fuck all

[polar lichen]

yeah

[thorn whale]

I’m not sure if it’s mastery or haste I would drop in higher keys - Last season it was definitely mastery

[polar lichen]

people just don't talk about mastery a lot I guess, it's always "how much haste do I want" "yes"

[spark river]

Its haste definitely

This season

[thorn whale]

Yeah I have no clue

[thorn plover]

Me likey haste

[thorn whale]

There are good haste vers items tho

[grizzled seal]

Yeah cuz haste is fun

[thorn whale]

But I guess you just craft vers mastery

[grizzled seal]

You never played with 90% baseline haste

[spark river]

We dont really need that much verse as we used to in previous seasons

[thorn plover]

31% haste 😗👌
😂😂

[spark river]

And having 6% from motw is huge

[thorn whale]

I have fk all idea - I’m gonna push title after my exams are done

[polar lichen]

remix was pretty sick

[grizzled seal]

People stack haste cuz it's a good stat, I stack haste for the love of the game

[thorn plover]

My m+ group basically quit playing. I'm probably not pushing much higher

Maybe 20s but I'm not sure that's even title

Likely not

[spark river]

Probably wont be yeah

People are already clearing them

[grizzled seal]

20s won't be 0.1% lol

12.0.7 will bring another power increase

[thorn plover]

Tru

[grizzled seal]

Probably + key level from that alone

[thorn plover]

That sweet healer legendary from the single boss raid

[urban kestrel]

sporefall will have a 10% dps boost trinket in aoe for every dps spec itll be so fun

[thorn plover]

It's funny that pugs are already noticing the influx of shit rdruids playing doc

[ashen quiver]

Uhm... Wildstalker in keys, we go with Circle of the Wild right? and not Circle of the Heavens

[thorn plover]

Heavens

We casters now

[spark river]

Heavens if you are mostly in caster, wild if you re mostly in cat

[fervent mica]

imp roar if you're mostly memes

[velvet cloak]

Imp roar sounds like a hearthstone card

[urban kestrel]

absolutely pumped to be worst healer in game next raid tier

[thorn plover]

Imp roar to press it twice in a key

[urban kestrel]

we're getting fucking deleted

[velvet cloak]

Unfortunately blizz is too inconsistent on their tuning to actually say this

[fervent mica]

inb4 starfire bug fix and 50% damage increase to offset

[ashen quiver]

can u please explain this class tree setup for me 😄 we go into Heavens, but he also talent into rip? are we just sending rips, rakes, sunfire, starfires.. EVERYTHING ?

[fervent mica]

troll?

[urban kestrel]

troll build (average +21 chinese class tree)

[spark river]

Some questionable nodes there

[fervent mica]

if you're good enough at the game you don't need to talent into anything that matters

[urban kestrel]

^^^

[spark river]

I think something like this was played before the damage buffs

[urban kestrel]

he has hotw and ursine vigor and wild charge and auto frenzy, thats all you need

[spark river]

They would use sunfire and bear thrash for pad on big aoe

And do the rest of the rotation in cat

[dusk spruce]

Starfire, astral conduit, circle of heavens, call of the elder druid with dream of cenarius and brainless starfire spam for 15 sec every minute and you can pretend to do damage by padding, solved

[spark river]

And your group is dead

[thorn plover]

Blizzard can't afford to bug fix us right now, they exceed their bug quota in .5 launch

[dusk spruce]

How is your group dead if you pre-hot everyone and do 400k hps with dream? :))

[spark river]

Run a high key with a pug

You ll find out fast enough

[dusk spruce]

If your pugs are dying through 400k hps regardless of key level they are not pressing their buttons and you cant do anything regardless, moot point

[thorn plover]

I aM rUnNinG hIgh KeYs iM dOinG 16s

[spark river]

lmao

What happens the moment you have to dispel someone

[dusk spruce]

You press your dispel?

[spark river]

or you have to move

[fervent mica]

what do you do for the other 45 seconds out of every minute?

[spark river]

where does the 400k hps go then

[dusk spruce]

You just heal..?

[spark river]

or does it completely drop off

Yeah good luck with that

[dusk spruce]

There is a reason I said "you can pretend to do damage by padding"

But thanks for the strawman arguments

[thorn plover]

[spark river]

I give up

Happy that your keys are going well

[dusk spruce]

If people can play this in 19 pugs, and coordinated groups can play this build in 21, its a viable alternative even though its maybe objectively worse

Obviously priority damage matters a lot more, so starfire spam just looks "better" on the meters but matters less

[thorn plover]

It's viable for people who know how to play the class very well outside of meme builds. People are speccing it and absolutely terrorizing keys lol

[dusk spruce]

Im having no issue playing this in high keys, and its fun to have elder druid windows to pump healing as long as you have set up properly

[urban kestrel]

I mean, what are you even really losing from the build? reforestation and embrace? 2/2? thriving veggies? like those abilities do healing, but I feel you hit a point with those last few talents where a lot of em aren't what's making someone live or die most the time

[thorn plover]

Players that are still hung up on hard casting 10 rejuvs constantly think speccing this is going to somehow work for them, because dorki made a video "pugging" with r1 keyers

[dusk spruce]

You are shifting your entire damage profile into AOE, which isn't really necessary, and your damage is conditional on having a good setup for your hots and being able to spamcast for 15 seconds

[thorn plover]

Refo in keys???

[urban kestrel]

idk I have no clue what people were putting those points into

[bright swift]

embrace in keys

[thorn plover]

You have to drop actual talents to play doc

Not other garbage

[spark river]

You re dropping hb, nb, nd, tv depending on which build you play

So you re dropping throughput talents

[thorn plover]

You lose 10% off the bat by playing kotg, and another 5%+ depending what talents you drop

It's significantly less healing outside call of the elder

[knotty goblet]

You don't have to play KOTG to play DoC, just saying.

[bright swift]

even then it's a big loss

[spark river]

Even during doc if you cant plant and spam starfire

[thorn plover]

Playing doc as WS is ultra troll

[bright swift]

what

it's barely different

[thorn plover]

Half of the doc healing is abusing the insta Starfire bug

[bright swift]

no shot

[thorn plover]

?

You don't think having insta Starfire after every regrowth cast is big?

[bright swift]

it is but it's not double value

[hearty coral]

its insta 100% buffed starfire

[grizzled seal]

This is getting bug fixes soon so enjoy while you can

[hearty coral]

not just insta starfire

[thorn plover]

Idk I'm not playing this shit, I'm just going by what I've watched and seen in logs

The build relies on 2 seperate bugs to be good

[spark river]

When starfire gets bug fixed it will probably be on par with cat

[bright swift]

even after all of this though

[thorn plover]

Everyone pushing keys with it deserves a ban

[bright swift]

the healing is just not good enough

[spark river]

Yes

We all agree on that

[thorn plover]

But but dorki is running it in pugs

[bright swift]

in 18s

who cares

[spark river]

Someone link the clickbait thumbnail again

[dusk spruce]

pretty good in organized groups as well as jb is pumping in 21s with that build

[bright swift]

really

[dusk spruce]

Yes, really:)

[thorn plover]

JB also said he doesn't recommend it outside of that, and that the healing is very low outside of call, and that he gets heal checked when call is on cd

[dusk spruce]

Yeah his evoker is running litany

and they are cycling group defensives like crazy

Its allowed to be good because of organized groups

[bright swift]

I don't have a lot of experience this season yet cuz I don't sit in keys 24/7 but even 19s take a lot out of me to heal (mostly the bosses)

[dusk spruce]

because the damage is very high

[hearty coral]

sounds like i should take this into a 15 where my dps will press 0 defensives

[bright swift]

I'm sure I can handle 20 and 21

but doing that with 2 talents down

sounds crazy

[thorn plover]

You're just not bald enough

[dusk spruce]

buy yourself an aug slave with litany

[spark river]

Pugs just take so much more damage its crazy

[thorn plover]

Get gud

[sharp forge]

Can we still NS before Convoke

[spark river]

no

[hearty coral]

i tried it in a 9

thinking it would be fun

[grizzled seal]

Maybe he is too bald

[hearty coral]

boy was that a trip

[grizzled seal]

No chest hair

[thorn plover]

Maybe, I never thought of that

[spark river]

We need jb in here to confirm

[thorn plover]

I played it in a single 12 and i did not enjoy it

[spark river]

Any unexpected damage and you re fighting for the whole groups life

[urban kestrel]

hb
nd
tv
throughput talents
mang this is mythick ploos, you're either max hp or you're dead

also anyone dropping bounty for this stuff is insane

[thorn plover]

Pugs are noticing it too. Griefing rdruids running rampant in keys rn

[bright swift]

You don't know me

[grizzled seal]

Yes, just speculating

[dusk spruce]

Vrocas has an obscene amount of chest chair can confirm

[bright swift]

Ok you don't know me e ither

[spark river]

Bounty is overrated in a 5 man

[dusk spruce]

Cant even see his Areolas

[bright swift]

it's mostly the second talent that I would miss the most

but maybe you just run no bounty, no TV

[spark river]

i run no bounty no nd

[bright swift]

I think not running ND is crazy

but we've had that convo

[thorn plover]

Oh here we go again

[spark river]

2tv and hb is what I like the most

But yeah

Its beating a dead horse again

[thorn plover]

HB

I can't

[spark river]

I simply like this build ever since beta and am sticking with it

[thorn plover]

You can rng the entire bottom of our talent trees and heal 18s