resto

[half timber]

How do you deal with these mana worms in Algethar, before Vexamus, when you get hit with that big circle. What am i supposed to do cuz dispelling doesnt work

[cursive pilot]

sit there take it like a man

[spark river]

real

[half timber]

i am

[polar lichen]

shadowmeld

[proper horizon]

oh ok, so its intentional, i'll just play around it with new binds or macro... ty for support

[spark river]

You can shadowmeld the big worm jump once

[half timber]

and for DPS players?

[proper horizon]

defensive and pray healer heals

[urban bone]

Die

[graceful ermine]

Something like
/cast [noform: 2] cat form
/cancelaura [form: 2] cat form

[half timber]

i can only try to heal them for that dot

[polar lichen]

i suppose you could rotate everybody's melds

[graceful ermine]

That should allow you to spam it and instantly unshift

[half timber]

not everyone is nightelf tho

[graceful ermine]

If I have my form numbers correct anyway

[polar lichen]

ya

[proper horizon]

ok i'll try it

[lyric surge]

That's correct

[graceful ermine]

You’ll want to double check my syntax. I’m just typing this out on phone

But if you understand how macros work you can figure it out

[half timber]

i dont use any macros tbh

[lyric surge]

It's correct syntax too

[proper horizon]

yep, made alot on other classes, ty for the help bane

[urban bone]

For me if I’m doing cat stuff I press cat buttons until it’s time to heal and then I push heal buttons and I just heal, no more cat, just heal, you can’t explain that

[proper horizon]

that's what i do but i was curious about this delayed form issue, thought it was just bugged or some kind of ui bug

[polar lichen]

it is def a weird interaction with fluid form

[urban bone]

No think just heal

Curiosity killed the cat

[proper horizon]

[graceful ermine]

It’s intentional behavior. I actually remember when they changed it because in original vanilla and tbc it wasn’t throttled and it was awful to accidentally spam the button too much and become unshifted instantly

Was very relevant in PvP where you often wanted to spam bear form while stunned so you would instantly go into bear off of the stun

But you press it too much and waste the mana and global

[polar lichen]

yeah i mean i was confused by it because ive probably been using no-unshift macros since vanilla

but it's a weird interaction in that if you do fluid form rake -> cat form, it insta unshifts you on the first one, but subsequent ones are delayed

[proper horizon]

ye, like it wants to confirm that you really want to exit the stance by using its spells before doing so

[broken socket]

wildstalker or keeper for the new raid build?

[fervent mica]

yeah

[bright swift]

tbd

[knotty goblet]

Lot's of things seem a bit up in the air right now.

[broken socket]

ok, thanks 😄

[naive ore]

whats ur opinion on DBM vs bigwigs for healer? using bigwigs standard settings and not 100% satisfied

[fervent mica]

dbm has felt slightly ahead this xpac on... everything? but it barely matters

[spark river]

What exactly are you not satisfied with

[naive ore]

mostly the audio for important mechanics

[bright swift]

DBM owns for that now

[naive ore]

but maybe thats a settings/profile thing?

[bright swift]

it calls out with TTS what you have to do

"spread"

"hide"

"swap target"

[graceful ermine]

I will say on vaelgor it annoys me that dbm has no option to make a different sound when it targets you vs someone else

[bright swift]

what

Vaelgor breath will literally say

"Target you"

[primal jungle]

I thought blizz was gonna remove DBM like a year ago what happened

[naive ore]

thats exactly what iam missing

[graceful ermine]

Yeah in text

[bright swift]

no

it calls it out

[graceful ermine]

Oh really? Is that new?

[grizzled seal]

You can do that in BW too

[graceful ermine]

I played around with it last week and I couldn’t find an option for that. It was just making the stinger sound whether it targeted me or anyone else

[grizzled seal]

I just have an air horn in BW when I'm targeted by the breath

[naive ore]

@bright swift ty, will give DBM another try

[grizzled seal]

You can set any private aura easily

[bright swift]

yeah i'm not saying you can't have an air horn

i'm saying DBM has TTS callouts

for mechanics

[grizzled seal]

Pretty sure so does BW

[spark river]

i have it

[grizzled seal]

I just fucking hate TTS

[spark river]

i have 'breath'

[grizzled seal]

I also don't like having multiple mechanics with sounds

I attach 1-2 most important ones and leave the rest

If I add more then I just zone all of them out and don't react to any

[spark river]

Both have the same functionalities, so it doesnt matter tbh

use whichever you used before

[proven phoenix]

I kinda felt the lack of an on use on beloren tbh

a stare would go so hard on that boss

[grizzled seal]

Idk

I didn't manage to get 4 uses

And the first one is trash

Also healing beloren is such a meme

We had an evoker dead for the end of second p1 and didn't wipe

[proven phoenix]

as long as disc lives everything is fine

[grizzled seal]

Pretty sure rwf guilds could've 2 healed this boss rn if they tried really hard

[bright swift]

I doubt that

oh now

yeah probably

[proven phoenix]

the p2 absorbs get kinda sketchy sometimes tbh

the ones later into the phase

[grizzled seal]

We just have health pots assigned to 1st and healthstones to 2nd

gg

Played this tier like shit felt like

[bright swift]

wait I lost first place

noooo

[grizzled seal]

I don't feel like I deserved this spot with my gameplay this season

Just looking at my logs and most of the kills are just shit

[bright swift]

idk man

[proven phoenix]

yeah I feel the same way tbh but im also not really fond of this tier very much

[bright swift]

having a disc in your raid

[proven phoenix]

people told me they enjoyed it a lot but idk

[bright swift]

just ruins everything

[proven phoenix]

I dont feel pash

maybe lura is exciting

[bright swift]

lura is very fun

[grizzled seal]

I don't think my personal performance is related to anyone else being in the raid

[bright swift]

no I was talking about my logs

if I didn't have a disc I would gett way higher logs I swear

cuz they just take prio on all the biggest heal moments

[grizzled seal]

Ok who cares

[bright swift]

i don't

[grizzled seal]

I am not talking about hps here

[bright swift]

I've played very well : D

[distant birch]

if u dont 2-3 heal first couple bosses

ur just easy 40 points behind ngl

[bright swift]

yeah looking at the rank 1

this guy just 3 heals a lot of shit

no way anyone in a real guild is doing that

it's just a risk for no reason

[distant birch]

yeah i dont bother even asking during prog

in 2 weeks tho

🙏

[proven phoenix]

pretty sure if I suggested that gm would tell me to shut up and heal

[wary belfry]

Yea well youre phasedruid

[spark river]

healers heal

[fervent mica]

i suggested it on imp reclear... so they told me to go owl and 3 healed it...

smile...

[distant birch]

yeah like 90% of the time im the healer that goes dps on reclears

[fervent mica]

i never am... was definitely punishment

[distant birch]

Since ive played dps the most so might aswell

im not 4 healing imperator or vorasius on farm tho thats for sure, id rather dps

[grizzled seal]

3 healing while on prog is certainly a decision

[grand herald]

Thats hilarious

[grizzled seal]

If a healer dcs you just wipe, epic victory

[distant birch]

nah u can 2 heal that boss

[marsh prism]

no you lock in and pray to God that's the one

[distant birch]

3 heal is still being safe

[grizzled seal]

First boss sure, not saladhaar

[distant birch]

nah saladhar would be gg

[cold sundial]

Good morning! is there any addon that auto roll the housing item at the end of M+ and closes this huge loot window?

[fervent mica]

theres one to auto pass...

[grizzled seal]

There is?

[cold sundial]

sure no problem, just to get rid of it

[fervent mica]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ignoredecor

[cold sundial]

thanks!

[fervent mica]

haven't used, but a couple guildies love it

[proven phoenix]

just click the pass button man....

[spark river]

literally

[proven phoenix]

its half a second at the end of the key

[grizzled seal]

No, I will install an addon

[cold sundial]

me too, already installed it

[grizzled seal]

You have some stinkers too btw

Do you want me to flame you

[bright swift]

Wdym

[proven phoenix]

I dropped the biggest stinker on alleria imaginable

its ok though

I will redeeem it on lura

[bright swift]

I was highest on glaive damage taken last raid

[proven phoenix]

based

[quiet wyvern]

bdk farming hps

[bright swift]

but I didn't die from it every time

[marsh prism]

ok

[grizzled seal]

How is beloren after reset actually

[marsh prism]

going live for alleria kill soon

[bright swift]

We are extending lol

[grizzled seal]

Like guilds going there are somewhat fucked or

This new patch is nerfing a few burst specs from what I heard

[bright swift]

yeah isn't disc cd window a lot weaker

[grizzled seal]

Yeah that also

But I mean DPS specs

[bright swift]

oh yeah perhaps

[distant birch]

yeah hunters are getting fucked

[bright swift]

Wowhead usually does a patch summary

[distant birch]

a bit scared for 3rd add set

[bright swift]

with how big nerfs are

[grizzled seal]

I heard BM is pretty good after the changes

[distant birch]

these are some rookie numbers

[grizzled seal]

One of our guys played BM in dungeons already and was doing really well

[distant birch]

i spent more time in the glaive than outside

[bright swift]

BM was already the go to spec yea

[distant birch]

i did die from them everytime tho

[grizzled seal]

The dmg taken changes are massive though

On lura

[bright swift]

yes but most healers got nerfed

or well

it's 2 / 2 for us

we opted to playing hpala because of how much it was getting buffed

and evoker looks very bad on this boss

[distant birch]

disc -10k, resto druid +100k

[bright swift]

we wanted to play double disc originally

but we saw those nerfs and said nah

[grizzled seal]

Have you seen the dmg nerfs?

They could've nerfed all your comp and it would still be easier

[celest zinc]

Do you guys have any pointers how to analyze Warcraft logs for my M+ keys. I want to figure out what my areas of improvement are. Are there any immediate things that pop up?

I healed a Magister+10 yesterday and it was RRRRRRRROUGH. And today a Magister+14 which was less so rough but very challenging, especially my mana was very log alot of the time

[bright swift]

yes it's like 10% on the dot right

[distant birch]

and 10% on crystals

and sth else was also 10% i think

[bright swift]

crystal dot

[grizzled seal]

Shattered Sky damage reduced by 10% on Mythic difficulty.

This is like -80k dtps

[distant birch]

disc nerf might not even be much of a nerf for lura

[bright swift]

Sure but in P2 you take like 1M DTPS

[distant birch]

since you play shield build and in split groups atonement value was already a lot lower

evang ramps will be weaker that will be the only thing really

[bright swift]

P2 will be scary

P3 will be easy I think

[grizzled seal]

I'm getting buffed so p2 will be free

I've studied the runes

[bright swift]

our p3 will be cheeks

playing WS there

and having new apex

my god

[grizzled seal]

You know cheeks means bad

[bright swift]

i do not

[grizzled seal]

[thorn whale]

[bright swift]

P2 damage is definitely not nerfed by a lot

[spark river]

A lot of our healing in dungeons comes from lb apex and swiftmend interactions with sotf. Those are the biggest problems here from what I see.

You re not using them nearly enough

[grizzled seal]

Still -50k there

Plus vaults, plus 1% buff, plus crests

Can't be that bad

[distant birch]

and the item upgrading thing depending on how it works

if u can get all then +9 ilvls on weapon and trinkets

[bright swift]

That's not this week

[grizzled seal]

Yeah I thought it wasn't this week either

[bright swift]

But monk got a 5% nerf, disc got a 6% nerf ish

[grizzled seal]

I don't trust monks

Monks will "discover" another build that will do the same hps

[bright swift]

don't think they're getting around this

[grizzled seal]

They for sure are

Watch

[bright swift]

hate monks

[distant birch]

How do you know the 9ilvl thing is not in the patch?

did they announce all the things somewhere

[grizzled seal]

I thought it was timegated

I'm gonna ask

[bright swift]

it is yea

[distant birch]

Seems like its a warband questline thing

not much info in the official post but some random website did say it'll be timegated

could see that being the case tho

[celest zinc]

sorry, what is sotf?

[waxen ingot]

Can i gaslight my GM into playing me on beloran after these nerfs

[dapper fox]

soul of the forest

[grizzled seal]

Beloren is a mechanics check for healers

I mean druid is kinda shit tbh but still

Mostly you need to soak orbs, quills and use your external at the correct time

If you bring a better spec but they don't soak orbs or forget their external then it's a bad swap

The hardest part of the fight requires like 150k hps per healer

[spark river]

Its soul of the forest. After consuming it with rejuv or regrowth our apex blooms and does big healing. You would use it in most cases with rejuv, on big damage with regrowth.

You should never be hard casting rejuvs if you can spread them with sotf

[celest zinc]

interesting, I did not know this.

How do I choose between applying two rejuvs or regrowths?

Based on if people are low HP or if rejus are up?

[grizzled seal]

Just apply rejuvs

[spark river]

With sotf ideally

Dont hard cast 2 rejuvs on everyone

[grizzled seal]

Yes I meant with sotf

[spark river]

You would want to have 2 rejuvs on your lb person so you can extend them with swiftmend if you play vi

Thats the only situation i would hard cast 2 rejuvs in a key

Cast Swiftmend on cooldown and follow it with Rejuvenation if the party is quite healthy, or Regrowth if they are struggling to stay alive. The choice is between better setup for later, or more healing now. Either way you will proc your Everbloom talent and heal everyone for a lot.

Its in the guide

Read the guide

[thorn whale]

🥹

[celest zinc]

thank you. I'll read the guide

[spare sand]

in the patch notes

literally

[distant birch]

that doesnt really say its timegated though

just that u will have to do some rp shit

[spare sand]

how so

mhm

[distant birch]

can be literally anything

[spare sand]

you put too much faith in blizzard

i played these games before

[velvet cloak]

I love this argument

Because the exact identical one works the opposite way

[spare sand]

looks like i got caught

still its obvious itll be timagated

6 weeks for voidforge and probably 6 weeks for the hammer

[half timber]

deserved, now mess up their apex talents xd

[boreal karma]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-played-these-games-before-seong-gi-hun-squid-game-i've-played-these-games-already-netflix-gif-16480153790313233198

[spare sand]

thats how i felt when people were telling me that new mounts for 3400 io wont be recolors

and now theyre telling me for sure 1% mount wont be recolor xD

[torn belfry]

is mastershapeshifter damage inc is bugged ? starfire and wrath does same damage without talent

[analog skiff]

are we playing balance form after 12.0.5

[bright swift]

apparently no

you just stay in normal form

[boreal karma]

isnt bm exactly the same

there was no change for bm or?

[bright swift]

no but it's already good

[boreal karma]

you mean for m+?

or for raid

[bright swift]

m+

[boreal karma]

ah yea

but thats mostly a china thing or

Eu/Na is still very mm heavy

guess it doesnt matter what you play

[marsh prism]

come on man

dps gotta live

[unique sedge]

Can u share the ingame combat log

[idle lake]

csn we get 300 ilvl pieces now

[torn belfry]

cant atm

just did basic testing againts dummy

also on tooltip looks same

[waxen ingot]

Every tooltip you see on druid

has a 20% chance to just be wrong

[dense lantern]

I think in the game in general

[unique sedge]

I will check too , i was talking about the in-game combat log, next to general

[torn belfry]

yea, im not online

[swift moss]

Good morning everyone! 🔥

I just joined the server after hearing that, according to what I've been told, I'm playing my class badly... and I've gotten a little discouraged... 😭

I've been looking at guides and such on Icy Veins, and I was really doing what I was supposed to as a healer.

I've noticed that on Icy Veins, I'm missing points for certain talents and such. Which ones are they? Does anyone have a screenshot of their talents for dungeons and raids as a healer?

**Thanks! ** 💜

[bright swift]

I don't understand your Icyveins comment

what are you missing that Icy Veins takes

[swift moss]

When I copy the talents from Icy Veins, the game itself tells me I need 3 more points to complete the talent tree

And that's what's got me a little confused

[candid cloak]

Apex

[swift moss]

I have to go to work now, but I'll try to send a screenshot tonight to show you what I'm getting in the game! Thanks for your attention!

[shrewd jay]

Do we have the model yet ?

[spare sand]

i dont think so no

[frozen prairie]

Still waiting for Vrocas to do beta test. US still not up sadly

[vocal musk]

Hi "should" we switch to boomie DPS talents since the new increased damage ?

[bright swift]

I'm EU lol

won't get any info from me until Wednesday evening

[spark river]

Im defaulting to the ws apex build on wed

Wildstalker superiority

[grizzled seal]

Yes

Drop fluid form, pick balance talents

[marsh prism]

[bright swift]

why are you gengarsobbing

[marsh prism]

i dont wanna cast starfire

[bright swift]

then don't

are you pushing?

[marsh prism]

no but what am i gonna do

sit

[bright swift]

yes

[marsh prism]

🧍

ok

!

[bright swift]

stand there

wait for dps to do their job

[marsh prism]

true login its ff ulti prep time

[bright swift]

not for a while it looks like

[marsh prism]

june?

[vocal musk]

Thanks

[thorn plover]

US hasn't even gone down yet

Long maint today too

Not even gonna be time to do chores before raid today

Get to see if this new private aura dispel overlay works or not lol. Surely can't be worse 🤔

[lament river]

Is there a addon where you remember to use Symbiotic relationship?

[old pollen]

its pretty much impossible to play a talent build that doesnt do healing as druid, so just gotta press the buttons more

[bright swift]

BuffReminders

[thorn plover]

Woah it's the legend, fartyparty

Owner of the log with he most community driven math on it of all time

Thanks for your service 🫡

[bright swift]

Lmao

I have my own logs now

[thorn plover]

Did you ever do any more PTR testing?

[bright swift]

Little bit but

Biggest thing is that right now apparently Everbloom can't hit your lb target

Tomorrow it can

I tried it today in a 10 and I died

lol

but I tried it with travel form

[marsh prism]

FUCK HER

[boreal karma]

wait we can finally spam only starfire in dungeons

[marsh prism]

do NOT

watch me

[bright swift]

Oh she died

fuck

I was gonna hate watch

[marsh prism]

.

no comment.

[cunning parcel]

is there a way to change the tag update rule and make the mouseanchor clickthrough

[bright swift]

ohh shit you got last hof spot or

[thorn plover]

Oh weird, maybe that explains the double tap thing I was seeing.
With 5 in range I thought I was seeing 6 hits

[marsh prism]

can you post clip here lmao

[gentle pollen]

Is there no visual indicator for soul of the forest in the same way that there is for omen of clarity, etc?

[thorn plover]

No there isnt

But it's entirely predictable

[boreal karma]

xD

[boreal karma]

hes actually not wrong i just checked

[bright swift]

lol

[gentle pollen]

That’s very odd, but yes, it is mentally traceable

[marsh prism]

this fucking comp man

[spark river]

I did

Its pretty easy?

It was a 10 tho

Unfortunately no

But I can explain

You have to wait until you re past the edge to shift into travel form

[marsh prism]

omggggggggggggggggg

[spark river]

Or its going to shift you back in to human

And when the bird starts dropping you, you just wild charge

[molten elk]

Are we expecting any talent changes for raid outside of the 4 apex talents?

[harsh quail]

I just did a moonkinform wildcharge, worked everytime this week for me

[thorn plover]

Yes

[molten elk]

What's changing? Did Photosynthesis become good or something?

[thorn whale]

Hold on I have to show you something

[thorn plover]

Yes pathing to photo mainly

[thorn whale]

@marsh prism this healer comp is goated

[thorn plover]

Will be something like this. Don't quote me

Also not sure on WS but looks really good

Voulk will have builds up today

[molten elk]

Awesome, thanks

[spark river]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TM864wR1ygbPnWQZ?fight=2&type=healing

[frozen prairie]

I have same screenshot Purr

[spark river]

You can see at 18:30

That i jumped back

on the replay

[thorn plover]

Hopefully we continue not needing MS

Idk how much worse mana is without refo

[spark river]

Not much

I ve played it already

[lament river]

Why dont we play with fluid form in m+ from tommorow?

[bright swift]

Voulk does not have any idea either lol

[unique sedge]

First 4 casts are with MS, the last 4 are without

[spark river]

You dont want to shift into owl because you lose haste

[amber apex]

So we just spam dots and starfire/wraith in normal form?

[abstract anchor]

sorry if stupid question, but does extending LB with SM VI proc blooms?

[bright swift]

no

well

you get blooms from proccing sotf

with apex 4

[thorn plover]

But if he posts a build that's "wrong" he won't eat shit like I will 😂

[spark river]

Yes, we will be doing damage in no form. Owl is just a pathing node.

[thorn plover]

Owl for hotw 😏

[spark river]

Definitely not

[thorn plover]

And flap and disengage

[spark river]

Other than academy

[knotty goblet]

Looks like more damage on paper tho?

[thorn plover]

Owl?

[versed stone]

not for academy either unless you like doing meaningless meter padding

[spark river]

I am definitely going to pad

[amber apex]

Do we even play hotw then?

[thorn plover]

Yes

[spark river]

Yes

[thorn plover]

You go cat for it

[amber apex]

Ah i see

[knotty goblet]

So, still single target priority usage for it?

[thorn plover]

Yes

[knotty goblet]

Boring, moar pad :/

[kind star]

convoke in cat still worth or just keep as a healing cd now?

[thorn plover]

Healing

[spark river]

I mean you can, but healing cd almost always

[knotty goblet]

Someone said Bear convoke for 3x thrash was better than cat.

[spark river]

No one sane said that

[kind wharf]

If we use Litany trinket do we still go cat for it?

[spark river]

You should thrash on big pulls

But definitely not bear convoke

[thorn plover]

Starfire is better than casting thrash now I'm pretty sure

Depending on count I suppose

[spark river]

There are better trinkets than litany, but if you use it, you should do it together with feral frenzy

So it procs instantly

[thorn plover]

I meant to check if boomie hotw procs litany

[abstract anchor]

so would prosperity have an edge with the apex rework? Since you will be losing a few blooms by continually extending LB

[thorn plover]

Can someone check

[unique sedge]

It doesnt seem like it does 100% to every target, but it sure isnt 35%

[spark river]

Probably does on 5+ mobs

[unique sedge]

can do

[unique sedge]

Doesnt proc

[spark river]

Does a single starfire on 5 mobs proc?

[unique sedge]

i added 2 dummies next to the cleaving ones, still not 100% of its dmg, but more than 35%

its like 60-70% cleave

[grizzled fable]

Are we going to balance dps come 12.0.5 instead of catweaving?

[torpid wraith]

So the no Apex talent build. Is the ramping the same? What would the prio list look like?

[spark river]

Gameplay is the same

You re going back to apex today or tomorrow anyway

[torpid wraith]

Even in raid?

[spark river]

Raid is what im talking about

[torpid wraith]

how come the sudden switch back?

[spark river]

A huge buff?

[torpid wraith]

Im so lost 😂

[thorn whale]

Apex is getting raid buffed

[grizzled seal]

There is a new patch coming out on the reset

[torpid wraith]

Where can I find the new patch notes to see the Apex buff?

[kind star]

ugh dang only 87 after finishing campaign

[grizzled seal]

Pins have more info

[vocal musk]

Is it worth taking Sunfire talent for M+ ?

[ocean raptor]

@thorn whale any footage of you that we can watch?

[shut barn]

Huh

[spark river]

Why would you watch monk gameplay?

[ocean marlin]

I need some AI report of this chat because so much good info comes out daily, but it's a lot to scroll through 😂

[granite copper]

Hello, where do you think are the best places to use the voidcores tomorrow ? I'm thinking Nexus Point

[thorn plover]

Wowhead, blizz forums, google

[spark river]

Depends on your progression

Ideally it would be crown

If you re lower in progression dreamrift

And if you dont mythic raid nexus point

[forest pollen]

Missing out on two blooms seems like a lot to pick up squishy in m+ but I guess it hitting everyone means you can hit another regrowth on them without spreading the wealth

[spark river]

Dragons are also a valid option

[granite copper]

i could do dreamrift, but having 2 mythic pieces seems like a huge boost to ilvl,

[grizzled seal]

If you don't understand how apex works I suggest you read the pins

[spark river]

Im going to spend mine on nexus point

We ll see if its going to be worth or not

[grizzled seal]

You know the "worth" isn't predicated on landing on rng

[forest pollen]

I’m just saying your getting 2 less lifebloom pops now

[grizzled seal]

No you don't

All good though, man

Reading is overrated, typing is more fun

[forest pollen]

I read in the patch notes it’s going from 5 blooms to 3 or is what I read not still the change

From 5 to 3
Blooms but hitting 6 targets instead of 2

[grizzled seal]

Is that all that's changing?

Right, so the number of targets changed too

Do these extra target hits also land on the bloom target?

[forest pollen]

I’m not sure are you saying that if there isn’t a 6th target those will bloom on players instead? I’m confused what you’re asking

[grizzled seal]

Right now the apex blooms land on 2 targets that are not lifebloom

After the patch they also land on the lifebloom target at 50% strength

So your LB target actually gets 4.5 blooms, not 3

Along with everyone else getting more healing

And longer periods also proccing photo for more healing on the main target than before (each photo proc is 1.5x stronger on LB target than before)

[mossy walrus]

I feel like you could have been nicer about it 😉

[forest pollen]

But am I wrong in saying that the target that doesn’t have lifebloom won’t be getting as much healing individually

[grizzled seal]

If people don't start arguing about things described in pins every 30 mins

[forest pollen]

As a whole you are putting out more healing tho

[grizzled seal]

No, the target without lifebloom will be getting a lot more

[thorn plover]

Yes

[mossy walrus]

Fair

[grizzled seal]

People don't understand how apex works which is fine but how are you making buff/nerf conclusions before figuring it out

Like spend some time on that and/or ask questions about it

It's the same argument multiple times a day

[thorn plover]

We've definitely done no math on this and are completely spitballing this
/s

[spark river]

Its definitely a nerf and we are not sandbagging at all /s

[vocal musk]

The 2sec cast of Starfire is insaneeeeeeely long 😒

[thorn plover]

Ya but people cried about going cat

So here we are

[mossy walrus]

but imo, druid is about morphing

[forest pollen]

Ah the 50 instead of 30 percent is what I was missing… that wasn’t in the patch notes it’s saw online

[vague gyro]

going cat was fun it was just that you had to play like an absolute gamer to do 15k dps

[west topaz]

idk what was harder just now, cleaning 2 bathrooms today or healing that awful +10 maisara holy

crazy

[vocal musk]

I don't know if I'm alone to feel that but I'm resi in +13, trying to start +14 but this season's damage is insanely terrible imo. So many times players take a dot ticking for 30% of theit toal HP per second + aoe on the party + random spells doing half total life + need to always move because of some shit on the ground.
I just don't understand how players handle 14+

[spark river]

15s this season are kinda laughable compared to dungeons like floodgate and priory last season

[bright swift]

yeah this is for sure an issue on your end

I went from 10s to 17s instantly and I was barely struggling

[forest pollen]

When multiple people get dots on them and you can only dispel one sucks

[thorn plover]

This was my experience too. Felt like a step from 10s to 12s, but not much in-between 12s and 17s

Although I did a 12 yesterday for a guildies and I was afk half the time

[spark river]

I snooze through 10s

[thorn plover]

I don't think I've done anything less than an 11 now that I think about it

[grizzled seal]

This is just a mechanic they force you to make a decision on who to heal

It's pretty intentional design

[vocal musk]

13+ feel like Floodgate 14 to me

[spark river]

Definitely not lol

[thorn plover]

I was thinking a 15 anything feels like a 12 last season lol

[thorn whale]

I think my twitch vods are still there

[vocal musk]

Ok so the issue comes from me lol

[forest pollen]

Yeah but how sweet it is when a ret pally actually dispels

Makes the dungeon trivial

[warm bear]

Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but I was wondering if anyone on NA has the answer to wether fully upgraded hero track pieces can be upgraded to 298 or if it’s only myth track item that can be upgraded to 298?

[granite copper]

i think since 10 are easy there a a lot of pugs taking avoidable damage in 13/14 and it starts to be punishing

[haughty ibex]

yeah def but is not like 14s are much harder compared to 10s imo

[thorn plover]

Only max myth can be upgraded

[haughty ibex]

like u will start to feel the mistakes but compared to last szn the gap isnt that big

[warm bear]

Alright thanks. The bluepost was so vague.

[undone vapor]

I guess chicken weaving is better today?

[thorn plover]

People are having a harder time interrupting and dispelling and avoiding damage compared to last season. Weakauras aren't carrying everyone

[spark river]

Balance spells yes

But I wouldnt call it weaving no

[thorn plover]

Excited for this private aura overlay coming today. Hopefully it actually functions

50% chance it makes it worse

[haughty ibex]

is minicc working

[vocal musk]

No

[haughty ibex]

will enjoy the last day of it then

[vocal musk]

They released something two days ago about it saying Blizz made API stuff harder so it's rip.

[west topaz]

usually 10 is easy to me too but the dps were all fuckin up bad

😩

[vocal musk]

What is this about ?

[west topaz]

maisara is just De Other Side long too

[haughty ibex]

ye ik that thats why i was wondering how bad it is

why do people hate maisara when is one of easier keys imo 💔

[vocal musk]

I don't understand why Blizz keeps so hard making our life miserable in keys.

[spark river]

Maisara is fun

[west topaz]

it is easy but they knew none of the fights :p

so the bird enraged, e.g. and last boss their dps was so bad we saw the run-part twice

[thorn plover]

They made it so private auras can highlight your frames to dispel now

[west topaz]

i've never ever seen that part twice before today

[worthy pasture]

With the currency, where are we going to spend it to raise it to 298?

[final lark]

i think a good chunk of the playerbase is blind to those ghost hands on the final stretch

[thorn plover]

Only works on weapon and trinkets

[haughty ibex]

lowkey i get them they are hard..

[west topaz]

most people are gonna use the 298 upgrade on weapon so they can do better

[worthy pasture]

What are the best trinkets for a druid healer?

[thorn plover]

Check QE

[formal plaza]

So like… M+… we stay wildstalker even though we are doing all this moonkin nonsense now?

[bright swift]

yes

wildstalker is more healing

[teal jungle]

Moonkin is just for the people that hate wildstalker and dont mind being suboptimal

The buffs were just to make something terrible a bit less terrible

[bright swift]

That's not true

Caster will be the go to DPS method

[teal jungle]

I guess but optimising damage in this season as a healer seems to be what I call "suboptimal"

[bright swift]

Just moving goalposts now

doing damage isn't entirely useless

your number 1 and 2 prio is always gonna be healing

but now you can do some meaningful damage

[teal jungle]

But youre not afforded that luxury when pushing high keys

[bright swift]

Depends on the pull

[teal jungle]

I guess if the healing checks are easy enough then yeah I understand your point

[bright swift]

and on bosses you for sure can

[formal plaza]

Does the CLASS tree for raid change? (Still take rake/rip)?

[bright swift]

class tree doesn't change no

[formal plaza]

Thx. Appreciate the help 🙂

[pulsar kettle]

there are tons of opportunities to do damage in high keys

[azure river]

with dream of cenarius, do you purely spam shred as the lowest energy ability, or do regular dps rotation with rake and rips? in m+ that is

[bright swift]

don't play dream of cenarius

[forest pollen]

When I first started cat weaving it actually helped me learn the timings for when damage is coming on certain pulls.

Picked a couple bad times to go cat and learned real quick

[thorn plover]

Where were all these cat supporters when everyone was crying about cat. Seems sus

[granite sparrow]

is there some guide (text/video/anything) on how to dps with the "new" moonkin stuff? only played catweave ever so kinda lost on priority and when to actually go moonkin

[versed fiber]

who was crying about kitty?

[thorn plover]

In the FAQ in the pins

[granite sparrow]

goat as always thanks

[vocal musk]

They need to remove the mana cost of the balance spells x)

[boreal karma]

cant wait to pop off with my starfires

[bright swift]

why

you get mana back from it even

[vocal musk]

Hum did I miss some talent tooltip ?

[bright swift]

you play master shapeshifter now

[vocal musk]

Ah ! Thanks

I'm going to (re)check the guide on WoWhead

[wraith lily]

magic build still uses hotw on cat form with no rip talent?

[simple lark]

Heya after the 12.0.5 changes to resto druid Apex talent of Rank 2 and Rank 3 Bloom mechanics does any1 think the apex talent will be viable for raid since it affect 6 targets now?

[boreal karma]

yes

it will be good

for raid now

[vocal musk]

The talents page on WoWhead is not up to date, did you see somewhere the talent's changes ?
I wouldn't want to miss some points like Master Shapeshifter ^^

[stable verge]

I'd suggest swapping HDR before taking a screenshot lmao

[bright swift]

Wowhead is not updated for the new patch yet

[simple lark]

what do you suggest swapping for the apex talent here in my build

xd

ah ye true hdr

[kind star]

theres like a way to remove that when taking screenshot in hdr idr tho

[simple lark]

without hdr :d

embrace the dream and reforestation and something else?

[thorn plover]

Will be something like this

[simple lark]

yeee thats it

wildstalker too?

[thorn plover]

Probably

But don't quote me

[simple lark]

oki :d

[soft dagger]

I am more interested in the class tree. How to maximise dps in human form. I have had enough with catwaeving

M+ ofc

[simple lark]

ah m+ is still gonna be catweaving most likely

[thorn plover]

No it's not

[pulsar kettle]

no

[simple lark]

rly 😮

[vocal musk]

Any reason why my Wrath does the exact same amount of damage with or without Master Shapeshifter ?

[pulsar kettle]

ingame tooltips are bad

[thorn plover]

Did you actually check the combat log or just the wrath icon

[vocal musk]

Icone only

[soft dagger]

You can still cat but human form dps will be viable now. Before you have to be in cat if you want to dps

[thorn plover]

Never trust wow tooltips, they almost always wrong

[vocal musk]

lmao

Is it a recent issue or ?

[simple lark]

yeye but which one do you think is gonna take less globals to do the same amount of damage isn't spreading rip more efficient?

[thorn plover]

Ya recent for the last 20 years

[pulsar kettle]

[thorn plover]

Starfire

[pulsar kettle]

a single starfire cast will do more than an entire rip

[simple lark]

hmm

[wheat pier]

im just reading the patch notes now is this an nerf for healing and a buff for our dmg or am i dumb

[pulsar kettle]

buff in all content

[simple lark]

thats true

i was doing the math with current values lmao xD

[rustic copper]

How good even is 1 minute convoke with exceptional spell being so shit

[simple lark]

well it sounds like its boomy time xD

[pulsar kettle]

sprouts arent ready for 2min convoke man

?

[lyric surge]

How is that just for catweaving?

it lists entries for all forms

[vocal musk]

Ok nevermind I need to sleep, like really. Sorry

[cursive pagoda]

8 hour maintenance?

wtf?

[pulsar kettle]

prop hunt

[urban kestrel]

also they still have like 20 new unholy dk and mm hunter bugs to fix

wild that they're reworking the aoe of the 2 most meta dungeon specs and the aoe raid spec 4 weeks into the tier

[warm lion]

Can i just saw how fuckin awesome and useful this addon has been for me personally. Being able to have a kitten meow sound when i need to refresh LB in pandemic is so clutch.

[wary plaza]

Does anyone know how to do the Algethar Snap tech on the guardian sentry as resto Druid?

I know it can be done as Druid, just don’t know how

[boreal karma]

@tough portal you always look into these things when do we spam starfire from tomorrow on

how many targets we talking

[thorn plover]

Check the pins > faq > m+ DPS guide

Iirc it's like 2 targets

[thorn plover]

♥️

[boreal karma]

is that updated?

[thorn plover]

Yes

[simple lark]

one last thing i wanted to ask yall, is there any freaking way to track symbiotic blooms through blizzard's party/raid frames? i honestly prefer the design of blizzard frames than danders xd

[boreal karma]

dayum

2 targets already

i hate it

[versed tusk]

is wildstalker still performing better in m+ if you take balance spells instead of feral? or would you go with keeper if you take balance spells in the class tree?

[thorn plover]

Yes wildstalker does more healing

[versed tusk]

thanks!

[main timber]

I'm definitely curious to see how people immediately feel when they see the Wildstalker / caster DPS combo

Since there are a lot out there that believe we were only ever WS for DPS

[flint void]

Good noon

[errant frost]

Hi guys, am I right, that these patch changes mean nothing in terms of raiding? meaning still no apex for raids

[tired flame]

I haven't read the fine print on caster form spells and bloodseeker vines. Will they get applied from Starsurge?

[simple lark]

any1 know :d?

[flint void]

no. it was said before here that we'd run apex in raid now, a few days ago

[tired flame]

the buff to the apex talent is targeted at raids...

[smoky sail]

Wrong, the apex is now really good in raid

[opaque frost]

@simple lark no idea, I use danders and it shows up. Have to use aura designer for it, so I don’t think stockframs will

[flint void]

Dreamgrove.gg not yet updated?

https://github.com/dreamgrove/dreamgrove/commits/master/data/blog/resto/compendium.mdx last change is march 28

[vocal musk]

Is there a relation between my taking Shapeshifter Master and my lifebloom going on my instead of the tank sometimes when I refresh it ?

[errant frost]

kk thanks everyone

[vocal musk]

Ok so when I want to refresh LB on the tank if I'm in mookin form it auto switch LB on me (a new one).

[flint void]

@vocal musk you talking m+ context or raid context?

[vocal musk]

Found it, it's because I had my LB macro mouseover in general form and non macro in my boomie form.

[lyric surge]

There's no reason to be in moonkin form really. You want the haste from caster form if you're trying to dps and you can cast all the moonkin spells from caster

[night sorrel]

Are we taking apex talent for mythic raids now as well or what?

[pulsar kettle]

yes

[vocal musk]

Fluid form makes you swiitch

[night sorrel]

Anyone got a good build to reference to try it out?

[lyric surge]

Don't spec moonkin and it won't switch

[pulsar kettle]

you wont take fluid form.

[flint void]

you do not ruin fluid form with caster

[grizzled seal]

Don't pick fluid form then

[pulsar kettle]

need to for sunfire

[lyric surge]

that too actually.. don't need fluid form

[vocal musk]

Ok someone said to take it earlier so I assumed it was "required" now.

[flint void]

you take fluid form for

[night sorrel]

Anyone got a good build to test for new apex talent rework for raiding ?

if its being taken for it

[flint void]

i got something, but every time i post anything talent related people yell at me

[pulsar kettle]

wowhead guide will be updated when servers are up

or just after.

[night sorrel]

I still dont like the idea of having to bloom LB mid raid as opposed to the raw outputs of the other hots

but maybe im not understanding fully

[versed tusk]

so you dont take fluid for with balance spells and you specc into moonkin form for sunfire but you never really want to switch into it, is this correct?

[night sorrel]

sweet ty

[flint void]

it bloomd whenever you swiftmend and when you pandemic refresh,...

[plain steeple]

Is your sunfire even doing half the damage of a starfire, if you play with MS?
If you play kotg most of my starfires also do double damage and are instant casts.

[main timber]

You move sometimes

[pulsar kettle]

may aswell cast it for movement

[plain steeple]

That’s why my starfires are instant.

[pulsar kettle]

we have infinite mana with MS now so

[main timber]

When we do that I will press Sunfire and you will cancel 3 Starfires

[main timber]

You will have some of those, but a fix is coming for the alternate spam

[flint void]

you want caster or

[plain steeple]

I don’t hardcast.
I cast one Regrowth into one instant double damage starfire.

[pulsar kettle]

[plain steeple]

A fix for the interaction with NB?

[main timber]

Yes

[plain steeple]

Ah ok

Too bad

[main timber]

Not sure if it's in today or not

[pulsar kettle]

based

[plain steeple]

Well then back to hardcasting. 🤷‍♂️

[pulsar kettle]

down with kotg abusers

[night sorrel]

Im sorry I dont know what you mean by that Allun

[grizzled seal]

Surely you didn't expect this shit to stay

[night sorrel]

u mean like do i want the dmg side of it ? With moonkin abilities or feral?

[flint void]

CkGA8cL7tpvige+kkmGM9zUPWPjxMLz2MmZGz2wDwMzmxCzAAAAAAAAAAgNoZbmx0MDwsMzMzMM8ADAAAAADAwAstNWw0MzyAAY2mZpZbmNbMzMzwMDQzAgZmZGAGA

I was going to try out this until wowhead is updated.

[night sorrel]

Wildstalker in raid? o0 instead of KOTG

[grizzled seal]

You are reading a build by (not offense to anyone) white name in chat

[sly wind]

Does Swiftmend make LB Bloom?

[grizzled seal]

This could be you posting your own cook

[night sorrel]

Doesnt hurt to look at what people say brother

no need to shoot someone else down

[flint void]

I was going to try out this until wowhead is updated.

it specifically is my own cook

[night sorrel]

if its not good - no harm no foul

[flint void]

it has all the warning labels on it

not endorsed,....

[night sorrel]

regardless appreciate it Allun

[pulsar kettle]

this is crazy

[night sorrel]

My only concern with your build is it literally negates a lot of AOE healing for the sake of focused healing within LB and potential bloom

[pulsar kettle]

pls stop.

[night sorrel]

Wild growth is pretty important imo

[plain steeple]

Half of the bugs we had turned into features for several expansions.
i had absolutely no expectation here.

[pulsar kettle]

not taking imp bark or rh for sm healing + piss wg talent is insane

[grizzled seal]

Not as egregious as this one

[plain steeple]

true

[flint void]

i exist in a specific raid composition where ironbark is planned for in timelines, the improved CDR on it is literally useless in my specific scenario as it's assigned when and where i use it, and the normal one covers the uses.

and my raid composition also gets a lot out of the specific choices there.

[lyric surge]

there's an alternative to the CDR node

but there also aren't enough points for wg exta target + RH

[flint void]

the extra WG is very useful in my specific comp, at least to my experience with it.
we got a Disco/holy priest flex, a Pres evoker, a resto druid and a holy paladin

[lyric surge]

Vrocas also posted a very similar if not identical build yesterday, so is this really that bad of a cook?

It's just good in raid period

[teal jungle]

HOTW

[flint void]

raid talents and builds don't exist in a pure vacuum, you're in a healer team of 4

[main timber]

Damn, had to reverse this section of the guide from what it was previously

[flint void]

how many wow tokens do i need to bribe blizzard with for a Cat-focussed resto buff?

[main timber]

I didn't even receive a response. Wouldn't surprise me if a few devs know this is bad but just can't talk about it

[pulsar kettle]

give it like a week or two

they also buffed sub and outlaw by like 15%, dont know if that was intended lmao

[flint void]

some blizz guy said to buff healer dps, someone came from high to tune to dial up by 40%, whoever was tasked to update resto druid forgot about cat form

[pulsar kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-margarita-ville-stock-market-wheel-headless-gif-17896977

chicken landed on caster buffs

UNFORCH

[crude nebula]

any of you petes defensive tracker? if so, does it just not work at times?

like randomly 1 member of the group wont show their defensives?

[main timber]

Pretty much every healer had some weird change in this set of notes

Do not think we've been further from the same page on class directions

[flint void]

well.... as to break occam's razor, we could maliciously intend behind it that blizz wanted us to be in caster form, because someone was too afraid of a healer existing in melee, except mistweaver monk

[versed tusk]

except resto shaman, which is just being hated by devs i think

[opaque frost]

I mean paladins exist in melee using sotr

[flint void]

resto shamans should be taxed for keeping their interrupt, i miss skull bash.

[main timber]

The weird Resto SHaman change was saying they were buffing DPS spells by 30% and then buffing them by 15% instead

[versed tusk]

u got me

[flint void]

where interrupt.

if i could cope and dream for 2 seconds, maybe every single class/spec tree will get a choice-node on druid between skull bash and solar beam

[haughty ibex]

taking innervate but not incap roar....

why do people refuse to play with ccs

[flint void]

boomies with skull bash
restos with solar beam

[pulsar kettle]

its a raid build.

[flint void]

RAID

[echo pagoda]

I mean, it'd be nice if they made both caster and cat dps viable for resto. I prefer to stay caster, personally. 😄

[haughty ibex]

ohh

do u play no improved ib in raid?

[flint void]

because raid leader put iron bark on a timeline, and i get 0 benfit in every timeline from it

as it's right now planned about every 2-minute itsh

[haughty ibex]

i understand 💯

i forget that raid exists in this game

[grizzled seal]

Nobody is playing with IB talents in raid

Stop posting dumb shit plz

[flint void]

i could take improved ironbark, but it'd need to go into healer chat to comission the planner to update the wowutils planner to change ironbark to be a 1'10 cd instead of a 1'30 cd. and practically speaking it might come up in a single fight to have a single extra use.

and a single extra use to me, doens't feel a benefit over improved WG

[main timber]

It's fine, nobody is taking those talents

[boreal karma]

i hate that we have to skip refor now

i loved my beloved refo

[flint void]

~~now the one talent shift i am (raid context) myself in my own cook trying to think through is swapping from improv... ~~nvm, i'd need 2 points to move it from improved swiftmend to unstoppable growth

[strong cradle]

Am I putting talents into apex today or nah

[plain steeple]

You do not ned unstoppable growth

[flint void]

as much as your own cooks might suck balls and they will often, trying to mess with your own talents means you're more likely to read them and understand your own talent tree, and knowledge is power

[boreal karma]

yes

always

[strong cradle]

What am I dropping then my goat

[flint void]

blizz absolutely hates whenever a class is not using apex, so they shall buff apex until you use it.

[grizzled seal]

Drop all the useless shit and useful shit too

[flint void]

i was originally dropping bad things, and i got told i was dropping bad things, cuz i thought reforestation was a bigger deal than it is

[fierce isle]

https://tenor.com/view/drop-it-eric-let-it-go-forget-it-netflix-gif-9890964921250895202

https://tenor.com/view/nick-coletti-vine-funny-funny-dance-dance-gif-3885666542678860261

[grizzled seal]

I will hate my life playing without refo at some points

[vocal musk]

What is kotg ?

[flint void]

I dropped reforestation, the one stack of unstoppable growth, wild synthesis and 1 stack of thriving vegetation in favour for 4 apex, and swapped Embrace the dream for Photosynthesis

could also argue for dropping livliness instead of embrace the dream

[frozen prairie]

NA still down?

[versed fiber]

until 3pst

[flint void]

also i swapped from KOTG to WS, because i like WS

[main timber]

Wowhead guides should be starting to swap over. I'm still going through it to find any errors though

[vocal musk]

For M+ are we still playing Wildstalker ?

[boreal karma]

same

but hey

[flint void]

why woudn't we?

[boreal karma]

now its full braindead

[strong cradle]

Oh shit, new build on wowhead?

[frozen prairie]

5 more hours? Jesus

[vocal musk]

People were talking about instant starfire, I assumed it was about M+ but maybe it was for raid.

[main timber]

Wildstalker is still more healing. Keeper is good for meme DPS

[spark river]

Can someone post a pic of the raid talents when it updates

[frozen prairie]

I stole it from Vrocas

yoinked

idk why I even have this when i dont raid

[flint void]

CkGA8cL7tpvige+kkmGM9zUPWPjxMLz2MmZGz2wDwMzmxCzAAAAAAAAAAgtBNbmx0MjhHwsMzMzMM8AzAAAAAAAAgttxCmmZWGAAz2MLNbzsZjZmZwMDQzAgZmZGAGA

that is suprisingly close to my own cook

[main timber]

The class tree is just fucked. You can move points out of Rake / Rip and put them nowhere

Unless you want Starsurge for a tiny DPS increase

[strong cradle]

The fuck is wildstalker the move for raid now, did I miss something

[main timber]

There's a kotg tree there too

[flint void]

no reforestation

[main timber]

This is just the Wildstalker tab

[flint void]

wowhead default-opens onto the WS tab btw

[boreal karma]

is boomie more prio dmg aswell?=

[spark river]

Kinda what i expected tbh.

Im still gonna troll and go 2 min convoke and 2 tv.

[main timber]

Correct

[frozen prairie]

for m+ its not raid one dont copy

[main timber]

Huh what is this

[lyric surge]

not that it matters because we just dont' have the points but that CDR node is a choice that adds extra healing taken to the IB target, so your reasonining for not taking it is kinda moot

[frozen prairie]

i cooked this

[main timber]

Why

[flint void]

@main timber why no Ursine vigor btw? that talent has saved me countless times.

[lyric surge]

the reason for not taking it is that there aren't enough points to go downt hat side anymore

[frozen prairie]

is it not good

[main timber]

You can trade the Perfectly Honed Instincts point for it if you'll use it

[flint void]

I traded a single point into forestwalk for it

[frozen prairie]

wiat i need to switch something else. Killer instict hm

[main timber]

Forestwalk is essential in this build, don't trade that

[boreal karma]

voulk is boomie spam also more prio dmg?

[cerulean shadow]

is rdruid still gonna be ahead of rshamy after the buffs?

[main timber]

I think Face had it ahead on ST yeah. However, you still use Cat Form HotW

[flint void]

it's healing received and speed outside form right? healing received is just your own hp bar and that's usually covered very well no? i don't get it.

mind elaborating?

[round hull]

Has anyone gotten to test resto druid changes in ptr or anything?

[fervent osprey]

The new best build in raid will be WS? I will analyse some logs tonight

[main timber]

Consider the Wildstalker play pattern - who you will have Lifebloom on - and how the splash works

[strong cradle]

Boomy dps in m+ sounds so miserable tbh

[main timber]

Yeah it sucks

But number on spell is high

[flint void]

Lifebloom sits on one of my in melee-distance, our rogue, paladin,....

now it would benefit if you have lifebloom on yourself and you'd be inside the melee yourself?

[round hull]

I was already doing this to ensure my group got splashed from the bloom

[main timber]

Yes you will likely self-bloom. You don't have to be in melee, so long as you aren't out alone

[frozen prairie]

if you can get off few starfires on pack its good even now

[main timber]

For sure

Re: Wildstalker in raid, will have a few interactions to test when servers come up to make sure they still exist from PTR

[flint void]

I have signed up/do a lot of the mechanics, so it's not uncommon i'm out by myself.

so it's specifically forest walk if you're inside a pool of ranged players or sitting inside the melee pile with LB on yourslef?

[main timber]

Just take it always. I promise you that you aren't alone 95% of the time

Fights just don't work that way

[grizzled seal]

I had to lifebloom tanks on some bosses already

I do think WS is better on Lura specifically even if keeper turns out a better choice

[flint void]

i don't LB tanks on bosses where the tank would be alone, efflo sitting on only one character is sad

[main timber]

Forestwalk is just a good talent anyway

[frozen prairie]

Voulk since you here

[boreal karma]

so always ws now

[grizzled seal]

Forestwalk is good but my tanks were dying

[main timber]

Yeah I think for L'ura you could make an argument it was better even before patch

[fervent osprey]

Yep, in certain fight, you can LB the tanks, but, if you put on yourself, you are sure to have a good effect with your efflo

[main timber]

What I mean is, Forestwalk is good even if you aren't lifeblooming yourself

[frozen prairie]

ND for m+. Thoughts? Many top rdruids don't have it. Why they hate that talent

[grizzled seal]

Oh lol

[flint void]

not this discussion again.

[grizzled seal]

I hope nobody is dropping forestwalk

That talent is insane

[plain steeple]

Mandatory for me.

Ask the specific "top" druids.

If you want their answer.

[grizzled seal]

Depends on the strength of apex

[frozen prairie]

Yeah if i have chance sure

[grizzled seal]

If it's gonna be doing 15-20% then we play WS

[frozen prairie]

but its common not to have it

[main timber]

You're right that it's often dropped, but ND is insane from logs I've looked at and personal play

[grizzled seal]

People not playing ND are trolling

[pulsar kettle]

spec so op you can skip insane talents and still time keys

[frozen prairie]

i feel like the reason is that they like a lot 2/2 TV and Imp Swiftmend

[grizzled seal]

No flame but like

Log into the game and play without one

[tired flame]

Why? What's the benefit of self bloom over tank bloom in m+?

[pulsar kettle]

i did 1 key without nd

absolute misery

[grizzled seal]

People play dumb shit in keys all the time

Cuz you need to do fuck all hps to beat all the checks

[frozen prairie]

are you taking point from TV? to get ND?

[main timber]

We are not talking about M+

[grizzled seal]

I play both

[pulsar kettle]

i drop nb/hb

2x tv and nd are insane

[tired flame]

Strongly consider taking Rake for the stun CC from prowl.

You don't need fluid form to use it since prowl shapeshifts you

If you were also talking raid, disregard

[frozen prairie]

my bad i asked in middle of convo m+ question. Continue

[flint void]

what would you drop here to be able to get both ursine vigour AND fluid form?

[tired flame]

Is this m+? Innervate

[flint void]

raid

[harsh quail]

My Tank would kill me if I start stunning mobs while he is gathering them

[lyric surge]

yeah was gonna ask if you really need innervate

[flint void]

raid + if i don't take innervate my holy-paladin teammate will scream

[lyric surge]

oh not m+

[frozen prairie]

Yeah you are right about rake. I don't have fluid form tho

[lyric surge]

nvm

[grizzled seal]

What do you need fluid form for in raid

[flint void]

[grizzled seal]

And ursine vigor is only useful on one boss and even that is questionable

[tired flame]

I mean you can just wait and then stun the terror mob or whatever the big bad is. It's an option

You won't always have a productive heal depending on hot uptime from the previous pack

[grizzled seal]

Stop going bear form

[frozen prairie]

You asking me Torty?

We talking m+ at least me and that person

[lyric surge]

he's responding ot allu

[flint void]

bear form to me feels/is OP with the: when the raid boss goes big aoe damage or i need to soak something, i flicker on bear and i'm happi

[frozen prairie]

ah, man i am so lost

[marsh prism]

erm

anyone gona touch that or

[lyric surge]

totally missed that

[tired flame]

You and me are talking m+. Everyone else is talking raid. Resto is my off spec for raid as a bench healer so it's a lesser priority for me

[pulsar kettle]

[marsh prism]

you cant be giving away your own innervate white baby

[flint void]

i don't want to give it away, I am told to give it away

and i don't get to have a say in that

[marsh prism]

have them dm me

[grizzled seal]

Stop doing that

You are a healer

When big dmg is happening you should be healing, not sitting in bear form

[flint void]

a soak, not continues big damage

[tired flame]

Bear form flickering is more for feral when they don't have anything productive to do during intermission. Or to fluid form Mangle for the talent

Resto has so many instant casts that they need to stay up on

[grizzled seal]

There is a dangerous soak on one boss out of 9: mythic beloren

[marsh prism]

we used to benefit from it because we would get 50% and then get innervate from another druid to compensate but that is literally not how it works any longer it is a grossly outdated piece of advice

[grizzled seal]

What are we talking about

[marsh prism]

fucking huh

do not bearweave in raid

sorry what did i walk in on

[flint void]

I don't go oom, they go oom, I was told to give away innervate, i drink mana pot and cry a little

[marsh prism]

literally stop doing this

[grizzled seal]

[pearl basalt]

Yea innervate is yours

[tired flame]

Allu wants to bearweave as a resto, and I said it's just bad habit that feral druids sometimes do when they don't have a valid target during intermission

[versed fiber]

I get when it benefitted others more but...

[marsh prism]

ok clearly you can see that is not a useful thing to say to someone who already thinks they should be giving away their own innervate

even if its just a roundabout thing ferals sometimes do (apparently)

[grizzled seal]

Innervate does benefit holy paladins more rn but I doubt he/she raids at a level where that thing matters

[flint void]

I don't think i should be giving away innervate, i'm told to give away innervate and i don't get a say in it

[versed fiber]

You should

[unique sedge]

Dont give it, what are they gonna do? Gkick you for an innervate?

[grizzled seal]

There are multiple druids here raiding in top 100 and we don't innervate others

[half timber]

according to wowhead we are an S tier raid spec