resto

[idle lake]

thanks :)

anyone got advice for healing penultimate boss on seat

i find it so hard to heal

everything does huge damage

[harsh quail]

did grid2 already switch to the new standard that comes with the patch?

[tough portal]

They've had these same options for months now, one of them I imagine is what is breaking that Danders used before (show auras from blizzard frames)

It was what I had selected but I swapped to a diff option now

[hardy canopy]

what are you struggling with

[idle lake]

using my cds mainly

the void torrent ot whatever its called nukes 3 people

then theres the tentacle constant damage

[unique sedge]

Did you play with a dk? I found out that the game stutters when they summon their pet (dismiss - respawn and also dismount and miunt)

[idle lake]

and then the giant damage after the pushback

i run out of cds

[hardy canopy]

i do
pre rejuvs > wg > sotf rg + defensives on tentacles
wg convoke intermission
pre rejuvs > wg > sotf rg + tranquility on tentacles
wg convoke intermission
pre rejuvs > wg > sotf rg + defensives on tentacles
repeat and boss should be dead

[thorn plover]

I finally think I figured mine out this weekend. Are you using a Nvidia card?

[hardy canopy]

if ppl eat orbs and they are taking massive damage instead of dying cus low key then it's not your fault

[idle lake]

I see

yeah i do normally panic convoke after a random orb hit

[thorn plover]

Orb hit there is just death at certain level

And not even very high level

[idle lake]

i can link the last time I did it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/A4GCay29g8KJbpWL?fight=12&type=summary

i think its here

we went over the timer

[unique sedge]

Is evoker ur premade

[idle lake]

ye full premade group

why

[unique sedge]

I noticed that u didnt use any ironbark or barkskin on that boss. They have low cd so u might get to use them twice in that fight

[tough portal]

Had 11 total orb hits last time I was in Seat

Across the other 4 people in the party

[idle lake]

I see

i often forget about those unless my tank asks for it

good point

what did the evoker have to do with anything?

[unique sedge]

Only used 1 obsidian scales in that fight

[idle lake]

should I be calling to my group to use defensives

[unique sedge]

And i mean you’re not supposed to get hit by orbs so i assume a lot of ur attention went there, rogue, tank and evoker got hit

[idle lake]

i usually just expect that they will

[unique sedge]

I do that with my friends and it works

[idle lake]

i see i see

im too used to the pug life

[unique sedge]

But this should help you, assuming it goes by the book

[idle lake]

this is the first season ive played w friends as a group

[unique sedge]

Try to use sotf on regrowth when there’s huge dmg

[idle lake]

yep

[unique sedge]

Tell ur mage to invis void infusion

Rogue can too

[idle lake]

I always find sotf ns rg to be a massive boost

is there a better way to be using sm than just sending it on cd unless i know theres big damage coming

[unique sedge]

I did 17 seat and during the big dmg when u get pushed, i just told them to use defensives and i regrowthed (with 2 rejuvs on everyone, wild growth, and lifebloom on evoker), cuz they fcked up and took orbs so i had to tranquil earlier

Or 16, i dont remember

[idle lake]

i always just use it as a way to spread rejuvs

since they r so big with sotf

[unique sedge]

I mean u do that before the dmg

[idle lake]

just wanted to check that was optimal

[unique sedge]

But during big aoe’s , u might wanna use the fat regrowths

[idle lake]

or if i should be saving to go sm rg x2

thanks

3.4k push soon..

[unique sedge]

I cant answer that, never played it like that

Never rlly held

[idle lake]

thats fair

[unique sedge]

Maybe someone else can tell u if thats good

[idle lake]

i dont hold them

just wondered if maybe i should

but ur doing 16-17s so

[unique sedge]

Ah and try to not cc the tentacles cuz they have a chance to focus a single person after the cc wears out

And its insta death

[idle lake]

i never try do anything with the tentacles

just focus on hitting boss when i can

bring back skull bash

[unique sedge]

U can wild charge the boss

Or a party member

Or travel form

When it pushes you

[thorn plover]

you can cat or bear wildcharge the moment it knocks back and cancel it completely

[unique sedge]

Ye, or wild charge the dk who didnt get pushed xD

[idle lake]

ooh

i normally wait and then travel form wild charge

keep forgetting im a druid and can do anything i want

[unique sedge]

Anyone tried to place the gusts from skyreach first boss outside the arena? I’ve seen an evoker do it and was wondering if we could do the same with wild charge

[dawn cosmos]

any1 has a simple lifebloom addon to track it etc

[hardy canopy]

lol you probably can, but why

one wrong move and you're dead and if it throws you too far away your corpse won't get tp'd back to the plat

[fervent mica]

travel too

just do it mid air and start healing, ezpz

[thorn plover]

LifebloomAlert is pretty good i hear

[glossy onyx]

LifebloomAlert has a cool feature that lets you put whatever you like as a TTS warning

[unique sedge]

True

[fickle garden]

[dawn cosmos]

does 2 restodruid in the same raid mix anthg up for each other ? im asking cz we were 2 rdudus were basically same gear and were like 99% pressing same buttons but his heals are doing way more healing

[fervent mica]

not at all

[thorn plover]

Send logs

[dawn cosmos]

weird af i couldnt tell why hes healing much more when its almost identical

[fervent mica]

logs can

[gloomy solstice]

Question: do i need to do spells in order to proc the 5 sheilds

[thorn plover]

yes

[dawn cosmos]

i looked at it abit but i hjavent been pveing for a long time but i saw almost swift mends rejuvs were pressed at the same time maybe convoke was a few seconds off considering differnt groups on chim myth

[gloomy solstice]

so if im raid healing how is this beneficial if im wildstalker

[thorn plover]

if one was up and one was down your log will not capture their healing while seperated

[fervent mica]

the logs will

[thorn plover]

do they?

[fervent mica]

just in game doesn't

[dawn cosmos]

huh whatya mean in game

[fervent mica]

damage meters

[dawn cosmos]

my heals dont register while im down or hes down etc ?

[stiff ruin]

is it tree > reforestration or the other way around to - extend the timer?

[fervent mica]

tree first

[stiff ruin]

Thank you so much!

[fervent mica]

the damage meters in game constantly reset on chim chim... and won't see stuff from the other side

those are not logs, they're memes

[dawn cosmos]

ah weird i saw same details breakdown on logs

[thorn plover]

send your logs, we can help you figure out what the difference is

[dawn cosmos]

maybe tmrw cz gota get some sleep, was just wondering if 2 druids affect anthg with hots

but thank u guys ❤️

[slender gust]

What are people doing overall for damage in keys?

[fervent mica]

i am bad at dam... only 15.9k overall in the last 15 mt /-:

[pulsar kettle]

like 9-13k in 16/17s

[slender gust]

Ok, so my damage is low, but not like that low. I thought someone was gonna come back and say like 30k

[thorn plover]

face sent pics yesterday doing 44k

and it will be more tuesday

[slender gust]

Face has always pumped SO much damage and I have never understood how

[slender gust]

Oh? Are the caster buffs putting it ahead of cat weaving?

[fervent mica]

should make it closer in single target and quite a bit ahead in aoe pad

you'll still probably be cat hotw though

[thorn plover]

its BEEN ahead in aoe, and now it will be really close in st

[slender gust]

Cat HotW feels SO good on ST/prio

[thorn plover]

its still better than boomie hotw

[fervent mica]

yeah, its a lot

starfire gonna puump that pad though

[thorn plover]

i wonder what the actual math is on healing between kotg and ws in m+

ive been doing 16/17 as kotg to test damage stuff and it feels super good

its a lot of swiftmends

[unique sedge]

its still the same gamestyle, right?

[thorn plover]

yeah nothing changes

they cant be far off eachother

[main timber]

Face had it 8-9% or so ahead

[thorn plover]

thats really surprising

[hardy canopy]

blooms are crazy good

[thorn plover]

oh no doubt theyre good

[slender gust]

Is caster DPS gonna be janky like not talenting Fluid Form to stay human form for the haste?

[main timber]

Also a lot of extra healing on Lifebloom target that's controllable

[main timber]

Yeah

[thorn plover]

yes boomie form is a dps loss

[main timber]

Moonkin Form is fine but you're not spending a talent point on Fluid Form for it

[slender gust]

Talenting all the way through the right side or?

[hardy canopy]

sunfire is decent with liveliness right

post buff that is

[weary moss]

Kotg over WS?

[fervent mica]

no

[pulsar kettle]

ws over kotg.

[fervent mica]

you're most likely going MS

[main timber]

This is purely M+ FWIW

[hardy canopy]

losing hps tho

even if its a small bit

[thorn plover]

is resilient flourishing better healing or is it taken for dps

[peak charm]

Favoring WS?

[thorn plover]

yes ws is more healing

[peak charm]

I been saying that for a good min now

[thorn plover]

were talking m+

it always has been

[fervent mica]

in m+, everyone has

[thorn plover]

no one is debating that, i was just asking how close it is

[peak charm]

Oh , well that one more obvious

I’m talkin raid

[fervent mica]

we'll see in raid, it may end up fight dependent

[thorn plover]

ws probably better in raid too

[peak charm]

This for sure

[main timber]

I answered the specific question asked!

[fervent mica]

reading context? in this economy???

[thorn plover]

voulk, resilient flourishing vs root network?

[peak charm]

Bring back old flourish 😤

[main timber]

For raid, always Root Network. For M+ it's a toss up

[thorn plover]

they seem close but if were not cat weaving that seems like root network pulls ahead

in m+

idk i have no math to back that up

[fervent mica]

extra duration is still really good

[crude whale]

I'm curious about this too. I saw Tettles saying druids can save themselves on the final platform, but I wasn't able to make it work. I didn't try wild charging as cat, just as human to a friendly target

[thorn plover]

travel form

[fervent mica]

its travel form

but its a very very small window

[thorn plover]

you can turn now while hes still carrying you

and you just hold both mouse buttons facing the platform and spam the charge button

[fervent mica]

that does make it a bit easier...

but just kill the thing

[unique sedge]

As human it wont work, it says no path available

[crude whale]

Nice. That's helpful, thanks!

[paper hare]

Checked pins and didn’t see anything, but with the caster buffs is cat weaving still going to be ahead in m+ ?

[thorn plover]

no

[fervent mica]

close in single target, caster does more in aoe

[hardy canopy]

how much hps is liveliness

[paper hare]

Ahh okay coool cool cool, thank you!

[plain steeple]

No actually I did 2 keys in the evening. The one with DK was smooth without frame stuttering. The other run had several issues (NPX with brewmaster, Frostmage, devourer and demolock).
Could it have been the demo lock? Can I do anything against it?

[unique sedge]

Idk, i only get stutters from uh dk when their pet with geist glyph appears xD

[thorn plover]

nvidia card?

[plain steeple]

No, I play with an AMD GPU.
Is it some setting that you have in mind, that could also affect AMD cards?

[thorn plover]

damn, mine was related to nvidia sound drivers

i uninstalled them completely and i gained a ton of fps and no more stutter

been a couple days and not a single issue, used to happen every run

which explains why disabling sound helped me

[plain steeple]

I have found a Reddit post regarding sound settings a few days ago. Changing the settings also helped for me a little bit.
But it didn’t affect my fps generally.

[plain steeple]

Ok, thanks for bringing in this idea!

[plain steeple]

Also thanks for your help.

[thorn plover]

sorry its not working for you

i know how frustrating that shit is

[plain steeple]

Around 2-2.5% usually.
You‘d only take it in m+ for dps until 12.0.5 or in a raid no apex build where you don’t need mana until 12.0.5.
I don’t see a build in PvE where you would pick it anymore once the patch is live.

[plain steeple]

Yeah - I probably have to test keys without every addon to see if it’s related to one of those..

[thorn plover]

inb4 its my addon

[fervent mica]

did it start recently?

like... can you pinpoint a patch/check addon date for updates

[plain steeple]

Yes, on the 8th of April iirc. There was a mini patch and some addon stuff also broke if I remember correctly.

[fervent mica]

i know my guild had us all get meekauras for paladins/crown and a bunch of people had old ones that were still in their shit failing/constantly throwing luas

[plain steeple]

But all my addons are up to date.

[fervent mica]

can you check if one of the updates was the 8th?

[plain steeple]

It’s much smoother now though compared to a few days ago (I also update my addons).

[plain steeple]

That should hit like 15 addons.

Many updated on that reset.

[fervent mica]

sure, but if its still an issue it would likely be one that didn't get an update after

if that makes sense?

[plain steeple]

True, good Point.

I will check.

Well maybe it got updated but they couldn’t fix all their issues yet.

But it’s worth a try!

[fervent mica]

just think thats easier than duck duck goosing addons in rando keys

[plain steeple]

It’s very weird because it seems to be related to boss mechanics somehow. I disabled every bossmod / ability timeline addon.
If it were grid, many people here would report it.

[fervent mica]

yeah... its likely a combination of addons

one fighting another

otherwise it would be much more widespread

[plain steeple]

Previously I also had issues with shapeshifting etc. but that’s gone now.

Thanks Folks!

❤️

[nova torrent]

there a way to hide these frames in df in the top right?

arcane empowerment and some

[fervent mica]

run 12+ to get rid of the first one <_<

[nova torrent]

lol

yea 10s for vault

[fervent mica]

i don't see them on mine though... with base frames

[thorn plover]

i dont see them with these settings

[sly pivot]

is there anyway to read what enhancements tree of life does to those spells other than moving to tree and reading hteir tooltips?

nvermind got it!

[nova torrent]

yea same settings here

[urban bone]

Are they debuffs rather than buffs?

[nova torrent]

maybe? im just running MT 10s to try and get ring and arcane empowerment is the one thats there from the tome

[fervent mica]

its probably from the blizzard options then

rather than your bar addon

[willow flare]

okay, dang Danders... doesn't show a frame for the healing gemstone thingys on lura.. am I just missing a setting somewhere or do I need to manually heal the blizz default target frame

[thorn plover]

thats not a danders thing, its a boss frame

whatever player frames youre using should have boss frames

[willow flare]

yeah my vuhdo used to put them (friendly NPC boss) in their own lill raid frames and it was always so nice. I dont use anything but blizz default frames, just a shame I cant have the same frames

[thorn plover]

edit mode > boss frames

[willow flare]

yes, i have those, that isnt the same as the raid frames also including those bosses so it was my raid frame set up , which I was missing from the old vuhdo and wonder if danders can do the same.

[tired flame]

This is a 6 with only one death that was my fault. Help me come to terms that healer DPS may as well not exist in this season. Even with fluid form, spreading rake and rip, and smiting when available it just seems pointless

lack of tank sustain (at least with warriors?) means I was busy

[thorn plover]

you just need to get used to it more

should be able to pull a lot more than 3.7k

[urban bone]

It does get easier with practice and the alternative is doing absolutely nothing so it’d def not pointless

[tired flame]

so I was very comfortable cat weaving as a Resto main in TWW S3. I'd spread rake and rip and then flow back

[thorn plover]

we wont be cat weaving after tuesday anyways :/

[tired flame]

i dunno, maybe its just getting used to stat squish and not having late expansion secondaries

[thorn plover]

our dps is not great no matter how you look at it

[tired flame]

yeah I was thinking of just going starfire and trading theoretical DPS that I can't achieve right now with a higher baseline

just seems like I'm wasting the hero talents, ya know?

[thorn plover]

tuesday caster stuff does way more dps

aoe anyways

[gentle torrent]

Can you incarn before key now?

[urban bone]

I can but no one else

[unique sedge]

Rip at how many combo points?

[tired flame]

Feral Rips on 4, and old habits die hard. But after reading the Tuesday patch notes I'm switching to the starfire side of the tree

[clever cipher]

Does anyone here have logs from a 3 heal Beloren?

[rustic copper]

check any beloren kill

[unique sedge]

Im getting like 20k dps in aoe if i rake and rip at 3 cp , but im not ripping the rake targets if there’s too many mobs. The dmg comes , more so, from bloodseeker vines

Also mangle into trash

[unique sedge]

12-15k overall anyways, not much but its honest work

[unique sedge]

Moonfire on everyone?

[thorn plover]

no

just press starfire

[fervent mica]

only if you have to move

[thorn plover]

^

[unique sedge]

Just sunfire then

And starfire spam

[fervent mica]

nah

sunfire is pretty bad

[thorn plover]

not even speccing sunfire

[fervent mica]

even if they survive full duration

[unique sedge]

I noticed it does 900 dmg per tick xD

[fervent mica]

mana cost is high... damage is low... would only use while having to move...

i'm not planning to spec into it at all

[thorn plover]

no boomkin form,no sunfire, no fluid form

[fervent mica]

no starfire <_<

[thorn plover]

sunfire

[fervent mica]

😄

[unique sedge]

Gonna miss the cat

[fervent mica]

you will still be catting

hotw cat is too good

[unique sedge]

Yeah but thats a split second

[fervent mica]

2 globals... yeah

[snow fractal]

Have you given a profiler a go? If not check out Addon Profiler by Numy. You'll be able to see if any addons are hogging and causing spikes (and for how long)

[unique sedge]

I wish they buffed cat too cuz like, you’d be raking and ripping, using a lot of gcds’ , just to deal less than shadow word pain

[thorn plover]

hopefully they buff cat as well

but its unlikely atp

[unique sedge]

Should 20-40% buff be enough?

[fervent mica]

more likely they buff moonking hotw... or nerf the cat version

[unique sedge]

If they nerf feral frenzy, im dead

[rotund geode]

do we equip coach trinket hero over Crucible?

[fervent mica]

just do what qe tells you

[rotund geode]

he tells me to do it

but i heard jd saying coach has been nerf and is hot garbage now

so idk

[thorn plover]

nerfed weeks ago

[fervent mica]

qe has the current data in

so you're safe to do what its calling for

[tired flame]

as someone who has never done moonkin before, do we just cast starsurge on cooldown and then use starfire as filler? Should wrath even be on the bar?

[thorn plover]

dps guide will get updated in the next day or 2

[fervent mica]

believe its just starfire if more than 1 mob. only surge on the move or in single target... and wrath pure single while planted

[clever cipher]

stop making sense????

[fervent mica]

others know way more than me, i've just been looking at dummy things

[tough portal]

I dont think this run is worth drawing such a heavy handed conclusion from. Look at how you can do better next time. Your team arent olympic recordists but neither were you, I'm sure.
Catweaving rn if you're doing 6s you should be able to aim for ~15k DPS catweaving pretty chill. Once you're up to speed on gear and you start getting better teammates too, that number would go up to 20-25k.

[rotund geode]

is catweaving not the way to go anymore?

[grand herald]

on tuesday

[tough portal]

I updated the damage rotation in the #1463264793854083204 channel

But the caster damage is extremely simple

Single target you Wrath and Starsurge
AOE you Starfire

There is more advanced tech - interaction abuse - that gets a little more involved

But you're doing 5k DPS, cant be thinking of that yet

[rotund geode]

im stuck at 10k dps catweaving personally i dont know what im doing wrong, im doing around 15k on single targets bosses but there are too little windows of opportunity where im able to pad on packs, either mobs die too quick or my team die too quick and i cant breathe

[fervent mica]

i did 16k overall in my last 15 ): why the hate

[tired flame]

I'm just comparing to what I did last raid as someone who got KSM in both disc priest and resto druid. I knew what Disc could do and Catweaving Resto easily tripled it

wondering why I've acquired so much rust in a single season

[fervent mica]

the games changed since last expansion

[tough portal]

Right, it all starts mainly from healing efficiently and mechanical awareness, if you wanted some advice we could look at logs, but atp in 2 days Catweaving is irrelevant

[grand herald]

ksm also isnt what id consider requires a depth of knowledge to get

[tough portal]

let it slide bro you dont have to flame people's content level

[pulsar kettle]

[grand herald]

chill bro, its not that deep

[tired flame]

how do I get better?
Have you tried to quit being bad?
Thanks! lol

that's the WoW I know

[polar lichen]

in aoe, is it worth maintaining moonfire on some amount of targets?

[grand thistle]

Anyone who uses click casting, can you share what your bindings look like?

[unique sedge]

Whats the bug on starfire?

[tired flame]

Is Lycara's Inspiration worth taking, and if so what would I drop? Neither guide website has a caster resto template to iterate off of. Icyveins references a talent that no longer exists 😆

[grand herald]

could drop fluid form, innervate

[woven mango]

will we be running reforest after balance changes for raid?

[fervent mica]

my current plan until i see what the thinkers come up with

[waxen ingot]

God I don’t want to be casting

For 2 seconds

Ffs

[fervent mica]

guess you need more haste then ;D

[waxen ingot]

It does same dmg to all mobs

Same as boomie

Idk if it’s a bug or wrong tooltip

But ye

[tired flame]

You hate the chicken so much you'd rather take rake without fluid form?

[fervent mica]

theres also the kotg bug with it counting every rg from rg/sotf toward the 5 casts

[fervent mica]

rake stun op

[tired flame]

hmm

[fervent mica]

chicken is a damage down /-:

that rake is literally only for opening with a stun... and no where better to put the point

[tired flame]

I'm usually trying to maintain lifebloom, rejuv, and maybe ironbark on the tank. I'll be in combat and can't stealth

[fervent mica]

you can stealth between pulls with them ticking

[hybrid tangle]

The real crime with these changes is having to find another bind to use

[fervent mica]

but yeah, its all what you're comfy with

[tired flame]

I'll try it. I also play feral so I'm used to it

[waxen ingot]

They removed so much from druid

That I been using my pot on Q at this point

There is nothing to click

[fervent mica]

but but... q is strafe

[thorn plover]

^

[tired flame]

no way, how did I not know that Prowl shifts us into cat form for free?

now I get why you dropped fluid form

[tired flame]

I played Path of Exile for way to long. All of my keybinds are 1-5 and QER

[fervent mica]

lol... i write poe guides. the games are different enough that i don't confuse them

[tired flame]

old habits I guess. R for move speed, Q for make shit die, T for utility

I have a hard time believing that heart of the wild's cat mode 1) without fluid form and 2) without Rip is worth using

but I'm not sure what I would replace it with

[fervent mica]

its a lot of prio damage

[thorn plover]

why would you need fluid form for it

its off the gcd

[tired flame]

but shapeshifting into cat isnt

[thorn plover]

youre a global either way

with fluid form or not

oof just finished a 10 death magisters +16 lol

aug died before 3rd boss and died 4 times running back before eventually just waiting for a rez

[fervent mica]

hoow

[thorn plover]

the aoe from the voidwalker dudes

we timed with 4 mins left too

idk how

[fervent mica]

the 15 i did earlier only had 1 death... aug was hungry for circle on 2nd boss

[tough portal]

The cleave portion is supposed to be 35% of main target damage. That's what it had always been and it's what the tooltip says and spell data says.
But it's scripted server-side?! And it's cleaving for 2x that much. This happened afaik after a Boomie tuning hotfix that made it 70% for them.

[fervent mica]

one of the dps had to afk for like 3 minutes... it would've been ++ if they didn't

[tough portal]

Mate

Just believe

[thorn plover]

face do you have the math on kotg vs ws for m+ healing

keeper feels really fine in m+

like i do not feel like im missing 10% at all

[rare bear]

Excuse me, could you give me some advice on how to make my Lifebloom heal more? I’ve seen in the logs that top players worldwide get much higher healing from it than I do. I’d really appreciate any tips, please!

[fervent mica]

have more mastery/hots stacked on the lb target

[unique sedge]

This is what it says on wowhead

[rare bear]

Ok thank you!

[pulsar hill]

Can someone explain Call of the Elder Druid for me? It says it gives you a buff for 15 sec, once every 1 min, but then underneath it says abilites are empowered for 45 seconds. Which one is it?

[hardy canopy]

it's not 45

the tooltip is just outdated

you can ignore that line

[pulsar hill]

But I want it to be 45 >.<

[waxen ingot]

ye apparently it does full dmg

to all

[tough portal]

Depends a little on mastery and gameplay
Without accounting for the -1s CDR, I have KOTG pegged as a ~37-38% HPS gain in total. If I assume that 0.4 of my 5.8 CPM on Swiftmend are enabled by -1s CD, doing some napkin math on ~8% of Swiftmend healing and ~5% of the Bloom ramifications and Treant spawns, it's another ~2% HPS.
Without accounting for mastery stacks added, I have WS at around 37% with Twin Sprouts, ~45-46% with Implant.
At 30% Mastery I would say that the mastery stacks add another average ~5% healing

So all in all around 10% healing diff

[waxen ingot]

what about the damage tho

[thorn plover]

thanks for that

it feels way closer

but maybe not hard enough content

[tough portal]

KOTG added around 6k dps on my 35k overall in a 14 Maisara just now

Between 10% on some stuff and free Moonfires

[pulsar hill]

What build you running?

[tough portal]

WS gains a lot from Convoke

The more you're using Convoke to cover a tough timer, the better WS is

With Implant it's just massive

[thorn plover]

that makes a lot of sense

[tough portal]

KOTG has the Dryad beam on Ironbark and 8% DR, it's not a bad hero talent ofc

[thorn plover]

thoughts on resilient flourishing vs root network with no catweaving

[tough portal]

Resilient should always be more healing in 5-man

In a vacuum

But Root Network is some insurance against bad luck with Symbiotic Bloom targeting ig

[waxen ingot]

is this pre nerf?

pre buff*

[tough portal]

Yeah

Just did it 20 mins ago

[waxen ingot]

do we know whats the % buff expected

[tough portal]

Both are in the ballpark of ~5% HPS, Resil is just better the more you heal targets with Bloom up, plays well with Implant that way.

[tough portal]

Depends on gameplay ofc and if you're going KOTG MS or staying WS, taking Liveliness and pressing low commitment Sunfires
But it's 40% on 80% of my meter

Overall it's gonna be around that much yeah? 30-32%

[waxen ingot]

And what about the important dmg

boss

i guess prio dmg doesnt exist

[pulsar kettle]

it's "fine" but nothing crazy

[waxen ingot]

is it all competitive with cat?

since if its not

im just still going to play cat

[tough portal]

It's really not bad, I mean 40% buff yeah? I'm doing ~16k single target rn

[pulsar kettle]

starsurge is getting buffed yeah

it's like a 60k hit with buffs every 4seconds?

[tough portal]

Did 97k on the damage amp on last boss

[waxen ingot]

On some afk bosses you can get over 30k on cat if you get good cooldowns

and on amp bosses its over 100k

[tough portal]

Well sure if you have damage amps and you fit stuff in perfectly thats different than a regular sustained number

[hardy canopy]

in real keys you barely have time to catweave on bosses

other than hotw

[waxen ingot]

What does real keys mean

[proven phoenix]

I think theres a lot of bosses where u can get a lot of cat time tbh

[waxen ingot]

since i have plenty of time to dps

on almost all bosses

[tough portal]

"Real keys" is always whatever key level you arent doing

[proven phoenix]

every pit of saron boss, 2nd boss maisara, 1st boss magister is basically 0 healing entirely

1st boss of seat is almost 0 healing

[tough portal]

And talking about key levels to people when they arent doing those key levels is... relevant somehow

[proven phoenix]

last boss xenas, last boss algethar, tree boss algethar

all of these are bosses where you can have significant dps uptime

[waxen ingot]

ngl 1st boss skyreach is so hard to heal

for me at least

[thorn plover]

i find skyreach the easiest dungeon this season to heal

2nd boss beams hurt a bit

[proven phoenix]

jellyfish boss in magister you can also get a lot of dps uptime

what im trying to say is

just do damage

[tough portal]

Wont you think of the real keys phased?

[waxen ingot]

ye ye 2nd boss

[obsidian pivot]

Pit has so much rot what

[waxen ingot]

2 gcds

and u go back to cat

he hits the stone

SW Rejuv WG

[proven phoenix]

well you need to be confident about your healing

[waxen ingot]

go dps

or SW RG WG

if you want your team to feel healthy

[proven phoenix]

efflo, lb frenzy, wg, regrowth cleavs all of these are very efficient healing

[obsidian pivot]

I’m legit stressed trying to heal those beams in skyreach. Going through logs rn trying to figure out what I’m doing wrong. We don’t have enough defensives to cover it all in my experience

[proven phoenix]

like the giant boss or w/e his name is forgemaster guy you dont really need a lot of active healing

[waxen ingot]

ye beams are hard

[proven phoenix]

you cant realistically defensive each one

[waxen ingot]

gotta rotate defenses

[obsidian pivot]

And ppl are too spread to get benefit from my efforts

Effo

[tough portal]

Yeah it's nice when bosses naturally force the casters into Efflo

[proven phoenix]

you just need to lb someone, you get amped healing anyway and heal the 3rd person

rotate cds as needed

[hardy canopy]

are you talking about 2nd boss or last one

[proven phoenix]

ironbark, sotf regrowth etc

ns

[thorn plover]

2nd

[proven phoenix]

this key was unironically a healer dps diff

[obsidian pivot]

2nd boss. But last boss is pretty rude too. At least effo can do its job for that one. Not to mention for second boss we are usually going from 3 of those laser beam mobs straight into boss and I’m so thirsty after spamming ppl trying to keep them alive

[wary belfry]

if you healed more your dps wouldve done more dmg cuz they wouldve felt safer, thoughts @proven phoenix?

[tough portal]

I'm getting a message that phased just died to FDK opener he cant provide his thoughts atm

[proven phoenix]

[pulsar kettle]

phased just needs to play turbo

[proven phoenix]

yes the last boss actually does hurt

[pulsar kettle]

and only turbo

[proven phoenix]

I dont think you can get good uptime on any boss in pit tbh

dps uptime I mean

there's verylittle healing downtime

on the first boss you can get some dots out

[tough portal]

You mean Skyreach

[proven phoenix]

oh

yes skyreach sorry

[tough portal]

Crazy...

[wary belfry]

Ya was a bit confused

[obsidian pivot]

First beam phase I can usually send a convoke. I feel like I have to full hots running on everyone and that’s getting lasered. The only time I’ve felt safe was when I had a dk and ret paly in comp. Just feels oomy and the boss takes forever.

[wary belfry]

Im like I know I dont go above a 10 by choice but surely...

[pulsar kettle]

love keying with livelord dps

Lock/dk/ret are actual cheaters

[tough portal]

Bird boss I think you can always get a set of bleeds in after coming out of pillar

[pulsar kettle]

yeah you can

He tank mechs first before next birb spawn

[proven phoenix]

skyreach is one of those dungeons where even on 0 dps packs im just spamming healing into the tank

[waxen ingot]

I get like 20k dps on bird

[proven phoenix]

that place just demolishes tanks

[waxen ingot]

not too bad

not good either

[obsidian pivot]

Fr. The stairs after 3rd boss and 2nd boss trucks my ooor tanks

I feel like AA is the only dungeon I can do a lil dps on

[hardy canopy]

gotta keep rejuvs rolling perma on the ppl soaking and smash rg with nb talented, sotf rg after the first tick, make sure to convoke 2nd / tranq 4th / sotf ns rg 6th etc cus these are the lines you soak right before the aoe
you should be on soak cus this way you can lb yourself and position in a manner you can hit the other targets with efflo

[thorn plover]

my dps stand as far away from the boss when soaking

to be sure i have to give max effort

[fickle garden]

i cant wait to cast moonfire and sunfire and afk

[dense notch]

Are we actually tho

[obsidian pivot]

Ty. I was thinking my raid cd timings weren’t accurate. I was losing people on the smashes

[fickle garden]

i am xd

[dense notch]

Is casting that stuff not just a mana waste?

[thorn plover]

unlimited mana running ms anyways

but yes sunfire is basically worth 0

[fickle garden]

are we MS enjoyers next week?

[pulsar kettle]

probably

[fickle garden]

sick

[waxen ingot]

U lose like 2% hps and gain more dmg

[obsidian pivot]

Why next week

What’s the change I missed

[thorn plover]

caster buffs tuesday

40%

[fickle garden]

wait, MS is a dps buff now?

did i miss a patch

[tough portal]

Do you read chat

[thorn plover]

it will be when were casters

[fickle garden]

no

[tough portal]

[fervent mica]

when dots bad... ms good

[fickle garden]

lmaooooo im a holy paladin that just lurks here for my druid on alt team these days

[tired flame]

explain for the class what ms is short for

[thorn plover]

master shapeshifter talent

[fickle garden]

oh wait thats actually sick

[obsidian pivot]

Interesting

[tough portal]

For me there are like 7 people that talk here once a month with a muscly profile pic that are all the same person

[fickle garden]

@gentle nova mentioned

wait who are the other muscley men, i need to see these profile pics for... research

[tough portal]

Mattiu I can tell apart cuz he's a bigger dumbass than most

[fickle garden]

TRUUUU

do our little tree rats still spam moonfire

with keeper

[thorn plover]

yes

they did 5k themselves in a 16

[fickle garden]

thats actually a lot for how passive it is lol

[plain steeple]

I used another one that didn’t capture the big spikes. Will try profiler, thanks!

[fickle garden]

this also means i need to rebind moonfire and sunfire

[limpid jacinth]

it’s what happens when all the gays heal

[plain steeple]

Unbind you mean.

[fickle garden]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsonovi-simpsons-the-simpsons-homer-simpson-homer-gif-6757007339287075061

[waxen ingot]

now our dps rotation will be

same as monk

but we will do 50% less dmg

and not heal at all

not bad not bad

[fickle garden]

I heard at least 5 monks at some point this weekend saying the 5% nerf is unfair and not justified

It almost made me crash out

[limpid jacinth]

[waxen ingot]

i think they didnt need to nerf their healing in m+

[fickle garden]

i couldnt care less about m+ hps

hps requirements are mostly low overall, just a few pulls that require pumping

i think its a little silly spinning crane kick carries so hard until you get to 12+

[waxen ingot]

pulls are very easy in general

since at some point u get to have

4 hots on everyone

100% of the time

[fickle garden]

as resto druid? yea for sure

[waxen ingot]

12+?

[fickle garden]

i was told that they can spinning crane kick to victory till 12s

[limpid jacinth]

SCC carries 18s

[fickle garden]

and then they gotta play for real

oh so i was gaslit

nice

[fickle garden]

billion dollar company btw

5% aura nerf aint doin shit to mw

[waxen ingot]

pretty sure all of these are raid buffs and nerfs

also im curious how do parses work

when nerfs and buffs

[fickle garden]

wcl will segment patches but idk if they do it for minor mid patches

[waxen ingot]

so Q up raid the first second of new patch

and farm 100s?

hmmmmm

[fervent mica]

it'll show as not locked in until the next daily reset

then it calcs

[lucid torrent]

for healing, is there any good addons or tools that can help map out when dps is coming or even like a timeline.. im having trouble using the blizzard default one

[thorn plover]

mrt

then like wowutils or lorrgs and see what others are doing

[true hinge]

Are we not using tree for this raid anymore? All the warcraft logs show convoke instead

[waxen ingot]

both are good

[thorn whale]

Honestly revert the hpal buff and give mw back the power

[glad mica]

Hey I'm looking at a log where a Resto druid cast Lifebloom on himself 13 total times in 8 mins and had 100% uptime. How?

Please help.

[proven phoenix]

VI

extends hots

[rustic copper]

Swap to convoke when .5 comes out

[proven phoenix]

I have 100% lb uptime on this log

[rustic copper]

You don’t have enough talent points to take apex stuff and the tree stuff

[gritty nova]

do you play convoke on l'ura? I tried it for a few pulls and it felt so flat if you want to convoke before tranq on pull and intermission- it just doesn't line up with anything on p1 and your healing to crystals kinda suck

[true hinge]

Should I be rolling no apex and convoke build for mythic prog?

[formal fjord]

Thanks for posting this, I just got back into the chat after being away all day, if no one mentioned it the #1 thing for you would be taking advantage of abundance and your regrowth windows. Your regrowth healing should be higher than your rejuvenation healing. all those rejuventation casts would have been wrecking your mana too. Your wildgrowth uptime could be bigger too but focus on one thing at a time usually helps. x

[thorn whale]

What does tree have to do with your crystal healing

[formal fjord]

Hey Masi! One thing to focus on is your lifebloom uptime, it needs to be as high as possible, aim for over 95% but ideally it should be 100 🙂

[gritty nova]

10% boost and 40% for rejuvs that I commited to one of the crystals

compared to nothing offered by convoke

[thorn whale]

Is tree timed for crystals or

[gritty nova]

yes you have tree before both sets

[thorn whale]

(I’m asking)

[real stump]

I’m having mana issues in key.
Do you keep two stacks of rejuvs on everyone at all times, even if they aren’t taking damage?

[rustic copper]

I was playing 1 min convoke ws at the start of prog and doing way more than the mw were

I was casting convoke as crystals were going out, lifebloom the one I am focusing, swiftmend regrowth with the ne from the convoke

I don’t know how tree can beat that

I swapped to 2 min convoke after crystals felt comfy since that is what I will play on our kill

[proven phoenix]

no

[rustic copper]

That’s what I’m planning to play anyways

[bright swift]

Convoke feels very good

[formal fjord]

What do you mean how? Swiftmend will extend it, and you just make sure it doesnt drop whilst keeping in pandemic windows. Did you have specific questions?

[bright swift]

I was also already playing WS

[rustic copper]

Convoke with WS self bloom photo is going to be insane

[gritty nova]

so you hold convoke for crystals? is it up for you intremission tranq?

[rustic copper]

I also took a seed

[spare sand]

Holy any tips for vexamus 18+? Hits like a truck

[rustic copper]

With 1 min convoke you can convoke all 3 interrupts and intermission

With 2 min you convoke intermission and 1 of the add sets

[bright swift]

So good

[rustic copper]

I dont know how you’re feeling

But I’m fucking broken already

[bright swift]

Yeah same

[rustic copper]

On one of our best pulls I was like 40% ahead of 2nd healer

[thorn whale]

the buff is insanity

[rustic copper]

It’s insane

[bright swift]

I feel like we missed this build somehow

[gritty nova]

I guess I was fixated on the idea to convoke into tranq on pull and didn't gave it a second thought before switching back to tree

[bright swift]

This is so good

[rustic copper]

Yeah

I did 190k on bird

[bright swift]

Are you WS already too?

[rustic copper]

I swapped to this last second on bird and absolutely fucked

Yes

[waxen ingot]

what boss is that

[spare sand]

Academy 3rd

[rustic copper]

No tier either

Tier is bad

[formal fjord]

Id love to see that log and build, whats your toon name please?

[spare sand]

Cant protect ppl there bombs hits for 100%

[rustic copper]

Everything is private logged, I have 2 kills on my alt of heroic crown and Lura that play WS, zimbita-illidan

[waxen ingot]

I mean what tip do you want when people get 1 tapped

Vigor + bear on self

[spare sand]

Idk thats why im asking

[waxen ingot]

and heal others

[formal fjord]

sadge, ill have a look at the other one tho thanks.

[waxen ingot]

swap Lb target from tank there

[thorn whale]

WG CPM?

[waxen ingot]

tell them to def the dot and not the AOE

aoe shouldnt 1 tap

[bright swift]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vNnLr846CjxQA9ck?fight=57&type=healing

[rustic copper]

Not getting up to pc but this is a screenshot from our bird https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920833499865440287/1495533160409071656/image.png?ex=69e6974b&is=69e545cb&hm=ebd8d193820456628bd8cc340a8a0c7dfb383547143e579592bf3cadbe0ba589&

[gritty nova]

this shit looks cursed wtf

[thorn whale]

Welcome to Niko gaming

[gritty nova]

you gotta put spoiler on things like that

[formal fjord]

cheers!

[thorn whale]

Regrowth is truly op tho. I had this CPM cause I pressed too much rejuv, and still

Also it’s Alleria so some extra rejuv CPM because of running and air time

But idk WG feels like a good button press, but it makes sense when playing WS I suppose

[rustic copper]

You should spam it if you have infinite mana

Spending gds + losing liveliness doesn’t seem worth to me

[thorn whale]

I ended fight on like 5-10 I think

[rustic copper]

Big bloom procs with liveliness

[thorn whale]

1 rip too many

[thick summit]

is this going to be the build for tuesday? or just a new one for now

[bright swift]

I think so yes

But only if you don't need control of the dream

[thick summit]

[tough portal]

Nonsense tho if you arent using WG

[rustic copper]

What are the cotd fights

[bright swift]

Salhadaar is one for sure

Paladins maybe?

[rustic copper]

No paladins is WS just for implant

[bright swift]

Yeah

[rustic copper]

Fuck the convoke timing

[bright swift]

True

[rustic copper]

I honestly don’t know about crown

I just kinda press buttons on that fight

[bright swift]

I haven't looked at crown convoke

[tough portal]

Wild growth 5 CPM vs 3 is a ~16-17% gain of Symbiotic Bloom procs

[bright swift]

I played tree

[rustic copper]

I know when to cd but couldn’t tell you if I needed cotd or not

[bright swift]

Same with bird

I'm gonna miss tree

[rustic copper]

What if a wg hot lands on me and I vi it

[tough portal]

Liveliness is nonsense

[rustic copper]

Like 2 pulls before we killed I said fuck it

Swapped everything

I went to 2 min convoke, used prepull, and both p2

[bright swift]

You have a mw?

[rustic copper]

Yes

[bright swift]

Yeah I needed to carry p2

We didn't use one

[rustic copper]

Yeah I carry p2 even though we have one

I tranq 2nd p2

[bright swift]

Ok but you don't need to carry P2 lol

Your normal phase is so much harder

[rustic copper]

We delayed mw thing a little to cover the first color swap in 2nd p1

I don’t remember what we did towards the end of 2nd p1 but I know we phase early

Because it makes it much easier

That’s why I swapped, my cds were so fucked I didn’t want to figure them out

Everything we planned didn’t line up

[gritty nova]

you think ws/convoke is better rn for l'ura?

[bright swift]

Not sure but does it matter

[rustic copper]

Are you killing it tomorrow

[bright swift]

It'll be better for sure in 2 days

The little down phases feel so much better with apex/ws

It's insane how much it does there

I can't imagine next week

[rustic copper]

I get to prehot the crystal holders

Wg on 5-10 targets op

[bright swift]

I should focus more on them tbh

[formal canyon]

how often are you swapping lb on lura playing apex?

[bright swift]

Never

[thick summit]

i kinda liked tree proc tbh. but point allocation looks so cursed with apex

[rustic copper]

I was swapping it to crystals for early p1 pulls and I’m not anymore

[bright swift]

Oh ye I'm still swapping to crystals

[rustic copper]

Perma on myself

[formal canyon]

just lb on self the whole time instead of a crystal holder?

ez

[rustic copper]

What’s your healer comp?

[bright swift]

Disc, monk, hpala

[rustic copper]

Hpal carries or no?

[bright swift]

Yes but I'm close

I found a strat

[rustic copper]

I’m moderately concerned that after .5, the crystals will be fucked to heal

I have 2 mw

[bright swift]

They're nerfed by 10%

[rustic copper]

Mw nerfed by 10%?

[bright swift]

Crystals

[rustic copper]

Light work then

[bright swift]

I lb one

Regrowth the other 2

[rustic copper]

Vantus vault 100 crests bonus roll thingies

You are playing 1 min convoke, why not convoke

[bright swift]

Then SM+sotf+regrowth with NS

It does so much

[bright swift]

What

[rustic copper]

I was NS convoking right when adds go out, lb rejuv one into sm rg for max crystal healing

When do you convoke if not on crystal drops

[bright swift]

Couple secs before

If I hold it won't be up for intermission

[rustic copper]

I didn’t even check future cd timing

How tight is it

[bright swift]

Very

[rustic copper]

Don’t you just delay a little in intermission

Gg

[bright swift]

I need convoke at like 3:15

[gritty nova]

you're doing double the healing of any other healer on intermission

[bright swift]

Yes

That's why I need it

[rustic copper]

[gritty nova]

delaying tranq thre is just deadly and cost you pulls

[bright swift]

Also convoke is bad at healing crystals

[rustic copper]

Idk I was cranking them when I was doing that

[bright swift]

Sotf NS regrowth

On all 3

So good

[rustic copper]

I am sotf ns regrowthing

[bright swift]

I innervate my hpala on first seed

[rustic copper]

[thorn whale]

The forbidden words

[bright swift]

He's struggling man

[rustic copper]

Poor guy

Playing hpal

[thorn whale]

Vrocas is truly the most ethical of us all

[ionic shore]

My hpal is outhealing me because I haven't touched rdruid in so long

[rustic copper]

If I could give my cohealers a button that gave them my
Innervate I would

I’m not setting up timers and putting in effort to not cast it reflexively

Wish I was good at the game

[ionic shore]

same yo

I'm coming up to L'uura and Cosmos heroic prog and I'm very tempted to sit myself because I've been struggling with my healing

[thorn whale]

Chin up and git gud

[ionic shore]

Real

[formal fjord]

wed be happy to help

[ionic shore]

I'll probably send some logs during prog if I keep being below our other healers
being beneath the hpal and the two priests feels bad after playing pres for so long

[queen hare]

[storm kettle]

Can someone explain how this new graph in wowanalyzer works? The reason it shows I barely had rejuvs out early is because they were all cast pre pull?

[thorn whale]

Mhm don’t think so

My log it shows as the fight started with 6 RJS

and I think I did

[storm kettle]

This is in wcl

[tough portal]

How did you lose 6 stacks at once

[storm kettle]

Not sure honestly

Was a pretty clean kill

[thorn whale]

It’s a plot against him

[tough portal]

That looks like fucky buff graph and wowanalyzer just ignored it

[thorn whale]

6 of them used cancelaura

[storm kettle]

🥺

[tough portal]

Yeah no it looks normal zooming in

[proven phoenix]

what if he convoked prepull got 2 sotf pota rejuvs

they all fell off at the same time

[storm kettle]

It's probably 2 sotf casts from convoke expiring

[proven phoenix]

man come on you cant just copy my homework like that

[storm kettle]

It wasn't pre pull

[thorn whale]

Not a good look honestly

[restive kettle]

I think it's probably 2 sotf casts from convoke falling off

[storm kettle]

What is this though

I would like to report a bug

[tough portal]

Yeah that's just it

The point where it drops from 12 to 6

[bright swift]

@cyan minnow is this verdancy value included in the full thing now for Everbloom?

@rustic copper Next week, Everbloom would have done 10M healing in this log

This might actually be bigger than a 10% buff even

[vivid owl]

Does the symbiotic thing stack? The bear tank put it on me, and I put it on him, and we had two buffs each, but not sure if it does?

I forgot to check

[bright swift]

it does

there's nothing to stack

his symbiotic is based on his healing

yours is based on your healing

[rustic copper]

It’s completely over

[bright swift]

how do you draw that conclusion

[balmy spire]

symbiotic blooms does like 5k hps on my logs, why is yours that high? o.O

[rustic copper]

Even if there are other good healers no one has them geared yet

We’re unstoppable

[bright swift]

you're probably not doing 205k hps

[balmy spire]

no not really 😄

[bright swift]

if you play WS

lifebloom is insane hps

so my symb target gets giga juiced from that

i have it on my mage

[rustic copper]

I saw 80k raw hps on myself in one of my logs

It’s so insane

[bright swift]

that's a lot of bounty though

[rustic copper]

It’s mostly lb

My hp bar doesn’t move

[gritty nova]

l'ura kinda turns into casino whether you get sent down or not and lose your lb with ws

[rustic copper]

That’s why you self bloom

[bright swift]

oh yeah my self healing is 88k HPS raw

lol

[rustic copper]

And also why you hold a crystal

[gritty nova]

my mage will explode if I self bloom

or my dms will

[bright swift]

he keeps asking

but i tell him it doesn't work with this build

[gritty nova]

and holding a crystal is inting other healers

[bright swift]

that too

i should want to go down

[rustic copper]

Fuck the other healers

Livers live

[bright swift]

we have it the easiest down

[gritty nova]

we killed a boss so it's easier to tank hps loss than convincing evryone to change something at this point

[tranquil knoll]

What do I ditch for Nature's bounty? I can't seem to be able to get it

[smoky sail]

probs 1/2 in Thriving

[bright swift]

HB

[rustic copper]

It’s clearly lifebloom mastery in that screenshot

lol

[bright swift]

but you should get ND

: D

[rustic copper]

Lb mastery does nothing

[bright swift]

M+ players really hate ND man

I don't get it

[rustic copper]

It’s so much duration

It’s crazy

[bright swift]

yeah they're all delusional

[rustic copper]

Average

[bright swift]

"but the top m+ aren't playing it"

yeah

they're also delusional

[golden gust]

with the upcoming boomy dmg changes, i assume we wont be catweaving. in which case are we also swapping hero trees to KoTG for m+?

[bright swift]

no

[fervent mica]

ws is just more healing in 5 man content

[grand herald]

and maybe 20 man!

[golden gust]

gotchaaaaa ok im very new to this, healed a few 10's but i dinged 90 today so im tryin to adapt to changes ALREADY comin

wiping out what i thought ive learned

[bright swift]

@rustic copper this has to be bad

[golden gust]

so jus take boomy talents but stay same hero tree

i hate catweaving anyhow so maybe ill jus rock this even if they nerf boomy dmg / buff cat dmg

[bright swift]

your damage is largely irrelevant anyway

[golden gust]

yeaahhh im having a big issue rn where i feel like everytime i go cat no matter how much prep is done

BOOM whole party dead

cant spread even 2 rakes

[rustic copper]

Idk what you mean

[bright swift]

my forestwalk uptime

is so low

[rustic copper]

Press rg man

Show cpm

[golden gust]

that isnt going to go away tho, itll just be moonkin form now. i hate that forms are on GCD i enjoy doing healer dmg but resto is easily the most ive struggled getting any amount of it out

[fervent mica]

you don't go owl

[waxen ingot]

KoTG is less healing

[golden gust]

oh u dont go owl u say?!

thats fuckin huge news

[fervent mica]

its not worth the gcd

[bright swift]

erm

[golden gust]

so do we just not take fluid forms in that case?

[fervent mica]

keep your haste

[golden gust]

cuz itll force owl

[waxen ingot]

u dont spec owl

[fervent mica]

you don't even take owl

or fluid

[golden gust]

no sunfire then tho?

[bright swift]

why wouldn't you spec owl

[waxen ingot]

useless spell

[ionic shore]

sunfire dmg isnt great

[rustic copper]

Isn’t that rly high for lb actually

But yeah rg

[bright swift]

yeah cuz I move it to seeds

[rustic copper]

Find time to press it

[waxen ingot]

You gain nothing

[fervent mica]

why would you?

[bright swift]

you gain 10% damage?

[ionic shore]

So do we use heart of the wild for feral frenzy or just as a defensive?

[fervent mica]

and lose a ton of haste

its even at best

[bright swift]

a ton of haste

guys

it's 6%

vs

10% damage

[fervent mica]

7.7%

yeah

[golden gust]

so yall are saying basically my dmg profile will be starfire moonfire wrath and starsurge all outside of moonkin form correct?

[waxen ingot]

You are also an ugly fat owl

[bright swift]

use the glyph idk

[golden gust]

i mean it is 10x easier to get dmg out if im not changing forms tbh

you never fall behind to some dumbass gcd

[bright swift]

if you play fluid form you never have to play around it either

[waxen ingot]

i like this talk

[bright swift]

it'll just auto shift

[fervent mica]

theres a damage link in the #1463264793854083204 rdruid section

[golden gust]

oh neat

[waxen ingot]

just to do 0 usefull dmg in a key

and not save 1 second extra

[bright swift]

eh next week our aoe is not insignificant

same with st tbh

you'll be able to do 30k ST at least

just wrathing

[ionic shore]

hey don't bully my owl
we'll have to see when it's in live what happens, I don't think swapping into chicken will help with dps enough to warrant using the form though

[waxen ingot]

Surely you still go full cat and ST bosses if you actually want to save time

[waxen ingot]

wat?

[fervent mica]

hotw is still in cat

but otherwise...

[tough portal]

And if you dont take moonkin form you dont have to take fluid form either, great swaps all around

[bright swift]

I mean sure but what else are you taking

[tough portal]

Rake for stun

[golden gust]

SO WAIT i have something to contribute now lol to this moonkin form discussion, IF its true you lose 7.7% haste with moonkin form and gain 10% dmg then its SO much better to keep all your haste and just spec into lycara's inspiration for 4% magic dmg

[tough portal]

[fervent mica]

lolol

[golden gust]

keep all your haste still get a decent dmg buff, then the 10% aint worth

[tough portal]

Yeah I mean it's all a wash

It's whatever

[marsh prism]

hey guys whats going on

[tough portal]

But like

[fervent mica]

its dependent on your haste. but they're same-ish

[tough portal]

Moonkin Convoke is garbage

Not even worth pressing

Moonkin HOTW is kinda garbage too I use it in cat on cd

[slow pasture]

Convoke healing can in fact let you dps more than it’s use

[tough portal]

Calling it 7.7% haste is misleading

[fervent mica]

is my plan until face tells me i'm terrible

[tough portal]

You should think of it as 6%

[golden gust]

yeah yeah i love this so much more and since healer dmg is kinda dogshit anyways it wont ever matter no matter what changes they make. I LOVE the whole no form casting dmg spells and saving my convoke for healing

[fervent mica]

i just looked at my character sheet... sorry

[bright swift]

where does this 7.7% come from

[tough portal]

For the sake of this comparison, Moonkin form vs staying out of form + 4% is within 0.5% damage

[golden gust]

im never catweaving again

this is bliss

[tough portal]

It just means you cast 6% faster
So you arent gaining 7.7% DPS / cast time, you're gaining 6%, even if nominally it adds 7.7% to your character's Haste stat rn

[golden gust]

im so glad i came to this disc lol jus mfs tellin me do whatever dmg i want this is so much better for me

[tough portal]

If these spells did 1/3 the damage they do I would be telling you it's garbage and you're trolling for doing that

[golden gust]

what would heart of the wild be used on in this case without moonkin form?

[tough portal]

But wcyd

[fervent mica]

cat

[tough portal]

Druid dev loves Starfire ig

[fervent mica]

feral frenzy is still nuts