resto

[sharp pebble]

ye but its gonna turn me into bear when hitting convoke XD

[thorn plover]

Cancel probably more reliable

[fervent mica]

you could add a form macro so if its in bear/cat it shifts out

[thorn plover]

Claude goated at macros

[granite sparrow]

since we have similiar ui's now may i ask how you have the debuffs of people on your danders? i like mine but the "important" enemy stuff like polymorph etc i can't distinguish from normal dots etc

[pastel dragon]

End walker made me cry, dawn trail made me cry but bad cry

[thorn plover]

If you search my name in:resto has:image you'll find my settings

But tbh I mostly just vibe

[granite sparrow]

goat, ty

[tough portal]

Idk if grid2 has better grasp on the direct API model or if their different options will be unusable next week but

I couldnt make danders show some important debuffs unless it was "show all"

While I can on grid2

[thorn plover]

Yeah grid is handling them better atm

Waiting til Tuesday as well to see if that changes

I think grid is using some not direct API stuff

How It's still this hard to see debuffs is mind boggling

[flint void]

btw @thorn plover this better for your eyes? i turned the gama down a bit

[tough portal]

It has a 'show auras from blizzard frames' option but I'm not talking about that one

[thorn plover]

Idk I have your images blocked they're too cursed

[flint void]

[cosmic monolith]

Hey guys, how big is the new lifebloom rework for m+?

I’m struggling on 15s with pugs (yes FML right) for the oh shit moments wondering if this is a way to help

[fervent mica]

better group healing

[whole horizon]

its a buff to overall apex healing but it's not going to help with the issues you currently have

i think the burst healing from triggering SotF is actually lower, no?

[boreal karma]

how do you even gat marl i never paid attention

[cosmic monolith]

Damn hope not

[fervent mica]

yes, but no. it is less single target but the splash is super strong

[whole horizon]

well we can technically heal for like 2x the required healing in a 15 already

thats why im saying its not going to help

your issues are what we refer to as skill issues

[cosmic monolith]

100% agree it’s hard to stop the brain dead but I’m just trying to hard to carry the key

[whole horizon]

thats about the level people will be required to start pressing their defensives when its necessary or risk immediate death

some things you can't help even on a 15. if you think its a you issue, you can post some logs of recent keys for feedback. if you think its a pug issue, gl.

[cosmic monolith]

Yeah this is the problem I’m running into

[haughty ibex]

90% of deaths at that key lvl are missed interrupts/shit pulls unless u are actively not pressing ur buttons

change my mind

[whole horizon]

the problem with rdruid in keys is you can make it to 15s basically button mashing

[rain oyster]

most healers are really bad and dont press buttons

[royal helm]

is haste past 31% not worth anything in raid?

[whole horizon]

so it could just as easily be their own gameplay as it is their groups

[haughty ibex]

yeah i mean fair and true

[hardy canopy]

it's worth

[whole horizon]

what gives you that idea? (its wrong)

[hardy canopy]

don't listen to influencers

[main timber]

31% would be considered ultra low for raid

[royal helm]

im at 31 haste 40 mastery, mastery not that great in raid yeah

[main timber]

It is good but haste is better. You will want significantly more

[hardy canopy]

it is also good but not as good as haste

[royal helm]

ok, thanks

[main timber]

Nothing at all happens at 31. It's bizarre that this number in particular has been thrown around so much

[flint void]

i just went for equal parts haste and mastery

[whole horizon]

its bizarre that people take any info from youtube on faith

your favorite content creator is too busy making more slop to do the math themselves

[plain steeple]

Let’s get to a new number:
32.46%.
everything above or below is not playable.

[stuck totem]

Do you guys sim Healing somehow?

[rain oyster]

for some reason players just want stat weights

qe live for that

[proven phoenix]

am I cooked chat

[flint void]

currently got it at 1/1 haste 2/3 mastery and 1/4 vers

[whole horizon]

what do those fractions even mean

[plain steeple]

100% haste

Nice

[whole horizon]

[pulsar kettle]

[tough portal]

It's more burst healing on the group since more targets, and it's marginally less on the LB target. On PTR, Everbloom is healing the LB target itself as well, which it never does on live. So this offsets most of the fewer blooms nerf.

[thorn plover]

Vicks video on this has quite a few views, and there's posts about it. I'm not that surprised. People love to blindly follow streamers

[plain steeple]

25% Vers is quite high as well.
66.6% mastery okayish.

[thorn plover]

QELive

[flint void]

the number representing my mastery is 66% of the number representing my haste, with vers being 25% of my haste number

[plain steeple]

That means your vers is 100% higher than it should be.

[flint void]

i'm so close to getting DR on my haste, need to get more mastery

[tidal lynx]

Woah

Bro that’s not cool

[whole horizon]

only 1225 haste

[flint void]

I play WOW, OSRS and FFXIV. that is a given.

[haughty ibex]

u acc have a point

[spark river]

hi

[flint void]

look, i got a license

[whole horizon]

lmao

[plain steeple]

No you need more haste

[haughty ibex]

are u saying being autistic is not cool 🤨

[tidal lynx]

No asking people if they have it

Is not cool

People on the spectrum sometimes want to be seen as normal and try very hard to accomplish that.

[haughty ibex]

i don’t think I’ve been insulting it was more funny like they just started listing random fractions and numbers

[main timber]

Has to be something else you can talk about

[whole horizon]

that's like saying it's not cool to ask what your pronouns are

[tough portal]

EU card with MM/DD date and nam nam

[tidal lynx]

Okay I’m out of this convo

[tough portal]

Crazy

[whole horizon]

good choice

[haughty ibex]

is this real

[pulsar kettle]

dg on fire today

[flint void]

but yeah, it's generally considered not cash-money to ask people about possible disabilities, it's generally speaking not that great because some people don't like to be confronted or are generally speaking not ok with themselves and can cause a lot of mental anguish

[pulsar kettle]

[haughty ibex]

i have autism so maybe i didn’t realise it’s not okay to ask

[flint void]

yes, it's my card, i edited over my irl name surname and serial number as to dox myself

[haughty ibex]

but i apologise my kitten it was never meant as insult or anything like that

[tidal lynx]

I mean so do I but if someone asked me if I had it I’d wonder if I did something strange or out of place. It would be pretty sad for me

[whole horizon]

DoB 4 years ago

[haughty ibex]

oh i thought u were trolling cuz it was edited in that way 😭

[whole horizon]

is that when you started your FFXIV character

[flint void]

https://tenor.com/9no6.gif

[haughty ibex]

did u have it ready cuz is a common question u get 😭😭😭

[tidal lynx]

…

[flint void]

no, i had it because i made the same meme in LPDU

[haughty ibex]

idk what lpdu is but is funny

[flint void]

and i'm a digital horder

Wah

LPDU is Light party does ultimates, it's a collective pugging server for FFXIV ultimate content

[proven phoenix]

wtf I want a final fantasy disability card

[haughty ibex]

but ff doesn’t have m+ does it….

[flint void]

it's as if Eu in wow decided to make a Discord server for pugging mythic raids, and actually consistently made groups that got CE through pugs and it

[haughty ibex]

i see idk im clueless about that game as idrc about raiding

[whole horizon]

GW2 has similar things

only WoW has commodified raiding to the point it has an actual barrier to entry imo

if you wanted to start doing the mythic raiding equivalent in other MMOs its a lot more accessible to new players

[flint void]

discord originally was made by a ffxiv fan with tism who got too annoyed at teamspeak for not working propperly. it's why new joiners get a /leaf icon next to their name

wow is also the only game where raiding locks you to the specific raid instance with the specific people

if you kill the first mythic equivalent boss in about every game bessides wow, you get loot-locked out of that specific boss, as you've killed it before. if you than join another pug for the second boss, you're just allowed to

but in wow, once you kill the first boss in mythic you're locked to those 20 people and that instance id specifically

it's why the concept of pugging mythic just doesn't exist in wow

[whole horizon]

yeah its cheeks. i forget what the justification was for that.

[flint void]

legacy and grandfathered systems

in vanilla you were loot-locked to the instance you joined in first, because that's similar to how everquest did it, and they kinda kept that until the end of cataclysm with the introduction of LFR

where they moved normal and LFR to a per-boss lockout

and with the introduction of the concept of mythic raid in MOP, heroic was also moved to the per-boss lockout

but blizz is finally daring to mess with the mythic system in 12.0.7 with the sporeboss being a mythic flex 15-25

so i think in 13.0 or maybe 14.0 mythic might also move to a per-boss lockout

woudn't even cost them dev resources, as it's the exact system heroic right now uses

[snow dome]

i mean, mythic pugging does exist. its just not as common or does as many bosses. and i don't think blizz are going to change it outside of a few one off bosses

[undone vapor]

how do we track things like whistle and emberwing feather without weakauras? I keep forgetting i have them... I know it's dumb but it be happenin'

[fervent mica]

can just make a weak aura to tell you if you put whistle up, only going to work out of combat... but thats all you need

[livid hearth]

if i wanna look for a guild to join, i dont need to look in my server anymore right?

Havent played since sl/df

[fervent mica]

just region

so na/eu

[livid hearth]

ok then i can just check in eu section then not ravencrest

ty

[wild moth]

just got this .. didnt even know it existed

[tough portal]

It's pretty bad

[cosmic monolith]

What haste should I be for m+?

[hardy canopy]

50%

[pulsar kettle]

there isn't one

[cosmic monolith]

Sorry see edit

[uncut lion]

Had that pop up in my Mythic Vault, thankful I passed

[cosmic monolith]

I’m at 33% rn am should I aim for 38% or somthing

[uncut lion]

I just got to 3k rating between 31-33% haste with consumables and 36% mastery

[main timber]

Do not overcomplicate it. Haste / Mastery in every slot, flask / enchant mastery

Use QE Live if you need particular guidance

[cosmic monolith]

I’m sat at 3.3k rating but watching some +19s atm and they healing bars are going up so much than I can

Wondering if it’s low haste

[main timber]

Mastery is a better healing stat but more likely they are just pressing better buttons

Your haste is definitely fine

[dense lantern]

Btw, at the risk of sounding stupid, why is haste recommended so much if mastery is the better healing stat

[main timber]

In M+? It isn't really. We just recommend you get both

In raid haste is generally more HPS

And if you are doing both then you will run the high haste set for now

[wild moth]

im at 3.2k with this

[dense lantern]

In m+ yeah, maybe I haven't been following particularly closely lately but the discourse always seemed to be "stack as much haste as possible"

Even for pure m+ questions

[main timber]

That is definitely just raid advice

I would never say that in M+

[dense lantern]

Yeah, not from you

[spark river]

no

higher mastery is more useful in keys

[wild moth]

hold on

[main timber]

QE will also recommend full mastery setup in keys. Not sure what other people have said but I haven't seen that pushed I don't think

[wild moth]

crazy question

crazy trinket question coming then lol

ive crucible + VVS

[dense lantern]

[wild moth]

should i replace crucible with vessel of tortured souls coz of flat mastery ?

ive 0 luck with trinkets

[bright swift]

no

vessel is complete ass

and crucible is basically a myth trinket

[main timber]

Sometimes trinkets are just unusable even if they have a good stat on paper

[cerulean stratus]

i need a ribbon asap

vaelgor is so awkward to use

[compact void]

Does anyone have a link to a non-cat-weaving build for resto in M+? I saw on wowhead that it mentioned moving some talent points, but I don't understand why it only moved Rip->Starfire and Circle of the Wild->Circle of the Heavens. Why keep the rest of the cat form abilities like Rake, Swipe, and Fluid Form if cat form isn't going to be used at all?

[glacial badge]

I just started recently and I was wondering if anyone knew where I could copy the exact bars and UI this guy uses? I do prefer my frames inbetween mine and targets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr3uVAKpjZo if anyone knows and can PM or respond that would be awesome!

[main timber]

Eh next week the entire build will swap to non-catweaving so maybe just check then

[pulsar kettle]

nope

cats getting buffed

[zenith pike]

No?

[compact void]

Wait really? I'll have to check the patch notes!

[dense lantern]

Not with this mentality...

[compact void]

Oh, I see. They giga buffed all the casting abilities:

[narrow monolith]

Can’t wait to start using Hotw in moonkin form every 2 mins

[main timber]

For HotW you should still use Cat

[grave phoenix]

like this ?

[weary moss]

changes live or is that coming next reset?

[pulsar kettle]

on tuesday.

[fallen compass]

What does Fluid Form have to do with cat? It just shifts forms based on the abilities used. It's not cat specific.

[fervent mica]

Owl is a dmg down... So it is pretty cat specific

[fallen compass]

My point is that it is not limited to cat specifically. It would work with any ability that is directly associated with a form. It is not tied to cat. I didn't say you should or shouldn't take it, just that it wasn't specifically tied to cat.

Maybe a limited subset of abilities, but still not tied directly to just one.

[grand herald]

sure, but practically....

[abstract ember]

I see a lot of people running Harmonious blooming for m+ is it worth it?

[undone vapor]

Yes, but I just downloaded better cool down tracker and it fixed that for me thanks

[bright swift]

Maybe next week but not now imo

But that opinion is not shared by the common m+ rat

[abstract ember]

oh is that because the apex talent is being changed?

[bright swift]

Yes

[abstract ember]

gotcha, whats your thought on the new apex talent? think its better or worse?

[grand herald]

its very much a buff

[abstract ember]

for m+?

[grand herald]

yeah

[abstract ember]

banger

[compact void]

The talent build doesn't even include moonkin form, so that part is irrelevant. And the bear form part is basically useless since it just works off of mangle instead of something useful like Frenzied Regen.

[dense lantern]

You wouldn't care about bear fluid form anyways

[pulsar kettle]

bearweaving is real

no slander

[dense lantern]

Is it tho?

As in

Will it be?

Dont think so

[pulsar kettle]

ill still do it

gotta show the data that cat/bear is so far behind casters it needs to get buffed by like 50%

[hardy canopy]

thrash is good dam in big packs

but you can just keep starfiring anyway

[bright swift]

yeah thrash is giga dead next week

[hardy canopy]

all of catweaving is dead

unforch

sorry not all

hotw still good

[bright swift]

yeee

[abstract ember]

I find that on some bosses that have a strong dot even if I lifebloom them, rejuv and wildgrowth and then spam regrowth I still struggle. I'm not sure if maybe im doing the order wrong or theres something I could do differently (im on +14s atm)

[pulsar kettle]

where sotf in there

[tough portal]

It isnt "any ability" and wtf are you fighting on this lol

[unreal mantle]

In M+, when should I be looking to move the lifebloom off the tank onto a squishy?

I normally play with lifebloom on the tank and sometimes I move it to myself if I can position myself between 2 ranged.

[dense lantern]

make sure they have 2xRej, swiftmend when they start dropping, hopefully they have wg so you consume that

ns + sotf regrowth

or sotf rej

[abstract ember]

yeah I have started trying to double rejuv them

[dense lantern]

keep spamming reg

[abstract ember]

and try to make wildgrowth the last thing I cast before the damage hits them

[dense lantern]

if the situation warrants it make sure they have lb

try timing the bloom from lb on the dot

but on a +15 this is a lot of minmaxing

[fallen compass]

The guy basically grouped it with “cat form” abilities. That was my main point. I made no point about taking it or not. I also corrected myself saying a subset of abilities not any ability. Any fighting after that I was not involved with.

[abstract ember]

so dont move it until its gonna expire in a way?

[tough portal]

Crazy style bro

Just post and delete it

Crazy style on em

[abstract ember]

yeah im up to 14s, I strggle to find the line between should it be this hard or do I jsut suck? lmfaoooo

[hardy canopy]

if someone is dying with lb rejuv and regrowth they are doing something wrong

unless it's like a 19 then yeah they choke without a defensive or external

[dense lantern]

in a 14 you should be able to heal it pretty easily

but they also should be pressing a defensive hopefully

[abstract ember]

if the press a defensive im alright

if they dont which they mostly do not

then I struggle a bit

[tough portal]

You pick up what mechanics warrant this as you progress up key levels
Some bosses (maybe even most bosses) dont do all that much tank damage

[hardy canopy]

that's not on you

[tough portal]

So swapping LB for targeted mechanics or keeping it on a squishy DPS makes sense

[abstract ember]

tbf when do you think it becomes more necessary to use defensives in keys?

[bitter ember]

The moment you step in them

[tough portal]

'-'

[hardy canopy]

yeah lol

if someone is not using defensives then why are they doing keys in the first place

[dense lantern]

Are you asking when its impossible to heal someone that is not pressing a defensive?

Thats a very broad and generic question

It depends on the ability and the spec

[abstract ember]

yeah I should have been more specific on that tbh sorry.

[dense lantern]

On what happened before/after

[bitter ember]

Personals should just always be used regardless of key level

[hardy canopy]

i hate this season because some stuff is supposed to one shot but you can just heal it and you think it's normal to deal with it when you're doing low keys

[bitter ember]

In higher keys they will make or break the healing checks and in lower keys your healers involvement will be close to 0 to heal u up

[dense lantern]

If we're talking about pure abilities in bossfights with zero fuckups then probably around 16/17 stuff starts to become unhealable currently?

Some stuff earlier than that

but i dont think its a meaningful question

[whole horizon]

there's a lot of overlaps that you will just die to on 14+, even if your healer is paying attention.

runic glaives overlap + DoT in MT, multiple Void Infusion casts before 3rd boss in Seat, and a couple of others

[abstract ember]

yeah honestly the question didnt really sum what I wanted to ask but im sorta struggling to find a good way to word it lmfao

[whole horizon]

those are "hope you paid attention" mechanics, if i see people that dont press defensives there i just assume they're bad/pushed too high too fast

[abstract ember]

or both

[whole horizon]

i stand by 14+ but even in a 12 ive seen people just fall over to those so idk

[urban kestrel]

honestly it's amazing how quickly some classes just get destroyed, I did a 16 maisara yesterday and a mage got 2 tapped by spears for being cloth

[whole horizon]

expected, honestly deserved

[bitter ember]

Mages are suffering for 20 years of being the tankiest motgerfuckers out there

[tough portal]

Yeah fuck mages actually

[bitter ember]

As they should

[hardy canopy]

if you stand in melee you don't get speared

[whole horizon]

since those are interruptible/feignable etc

[marsh hemlock]

Like the guys that don't throw spears if you just stand on them?

[whole horizon]

i wish more people put effort into learning at the early key/m0 level

too many people treat it like farm content only to start failing keys as early as 10+

its so easy to just pay attention and read tooltips/dungeon journal when nothing important is happening

[graceful ermine]

I’ve been of the opinion that blizz needs to take the gloves off with these mechanics. Instead of giving these mechanics some low base value of damage and letting the scaling turn them into one shots, just set the base value as impossible to live

A lot more people will learn the mechanics from low keys

[flint void]

some people are asshats in any key level

[oak garnet]

The worms exploding + fire mage also is usually someone flopping

In magisters i see people just Yolo that no stuns on the worm death no defensives :/

[flint void]

re-uploading embed, didn't scrub off their names everywhere

[dense lantern]

I disagree

Or well, the bosses sure, it takes 5m to learn them

But thats not the important part for timing the key innit

I am physically uncapable of learning a key unless I heal it on a +15 like 3/4 times

[weary moss]

Huh?

[dense lantern]

What

[fervent mica]

Low keys have no mechanics

[graceful ermine]

I agree. Reading the mobs from mdt or whatever is a very small part of learning a dungeon. Theres just too much complexity in pulls to get the full picture from reading alone

Until you actually run the keys a few times, you won’t really know what’s going on

[dense lantern]

90% of mechanics until 13-15s are just passively healed anyways and I have no clue they even do damage

[graceful ermine]

Same

I learned almost nothing this season from running keys below 12

Besides the boss mechanics I guess

[dense lantern]

And even then, doing the mechanics on bosses is way different than healing the bosses on higher levels

[graceful ermine]

Even 12-14 things often don’t do enough damage for you to care about, but on later keys you must prepare for them

Yeah by boss mechanics I mean the one shot punisher stuff. Like stepping into the trap on the bird boss

[silk spindle]

how could I make dispels be much more in my face?
im not using any combat addons, just copypasted some wowhead layout code that put party frames in the middle horizontally and enabled mouseover casting. But realized afterhealing my first ever 2 dungeons that I didnt notice a single dispel lol
I thought I have all the relevant settings on
I think I need some addon that makes it way more obvious when to dispel who?

[graceful ermine]

Go get a real unit frame add on like danders, vuhdo, grid, etc…

[unique sedge]

The receipts!!!

[graceful ermine]

They all have options to change the styling of frames when dispellable debuffs are present

[dense lantern]

Get decursive or something

If you don't want to change your frames

Or an actual unit frame addon yeah

[abstract ember]

I usually read the dungeon jounral or watch a guide if theres a mechanic I dont know tbh

[graceful ermine]

The most common is the entire frame bar color changes based on the dispel

Or half of it or whatever

Which is impossible to miss

[silk spindle]

can you recommend a simple one or one that has like good defaults or premade profiles? My problem has always been with these that they have 300 settings to do

[graceful ermine]

I think most people say danders frames are easy to set up (I haven’t personally used it though)

[flint void]

When people are flopping over in the span of 0.5-1.5 seconds while already having 2 rejuvs and a regrowth on them, that I classify as not-my-problem

[graceful ermine]

Grid and vuhdo have a non trivial learning curve

[flint void]

None of the dps cleansed their chains (root) in seat 17

[dense lantern]

Sadly you will have to do a lot of work anyways. Getting grid2 and using the provile on qelive is the closest you can get to a full profile

[flint void]

And quite a few casts went through

[unique sedge]

U can also read mobs abillities and skills with mdt. I , for ex, never knew the arcanist cadaver gets a 20% haste buff that could be stolen by the mages, cuz i dont see it on my nameplates

[weary moss]

Did you not push keys the first week with no gear?

[tough portal]

The default UI has the dispel color overlay now tho

[dense lantern]

But a lot of stuff is personal preference so you will have to modify things

[graceful ermine]

Oh I didn’t know it did that now

[abstract ember]

Ohhh yeah mdt I have it installed but need to re-enable it thank ya for reminding me

[flint void]

I don't like danders by principle because I dislike vibe coded klanker stuff

[graceful ermine]

That’s quite a nice feature to add baseline

[dense lantern]

We did +10s yes

I'm not pushing first week with no gear why would I

[weary moss]

Idk doing 10s with 230il the dmg seemed very obvious as to where it was coming from

[main timber]

Some seasons I might agree, but not this one

We were doing 12s day 1. No idea what anything did except for "This pack is dangerous"

[weary moss]

I mean right?

lol

I guess I’m incapable of asking why it is dangerous

[merry nexus]

general question... our 4set doesnt seem amazing unless raiding. if i have perfect stats just keep 2pc till i have mythic?

[tough portal]

This should be showing a gradient color overlay on people with debuffs

Based on debuff type

[weary moss]

I just think it is a weird attempt to flex saying you need to do something over a 15 to understand what is going on.

[tough portal]

I didnt think anyone was trying to flex

[main timber]

It doesn't have to be a 15 (not that it's a very high key this season)

[dense lantern]

[main timber]

Just you pay attention more during a challenging key

[tough portal]

It's fairly common sentiment, it's hard to learn what is dangerous if nothing is dangerous, and this season keys are multiple key levels easier than any season ever was in M+

[pulsar kettle]

have you seen the state of lfg

[graceful ermine]

It’s not a flex. It’s just that it’s hard to learn anything when packs die extremely fast before they cycle mechanics and the damage they do is low enough to not prepare for and still out heal

[pulsar kettle]

10s are challenging for some people man

[tough portal]

We're like 3-4 key levels too easy in tuning

[graceful ermine]

Also when you only have to do small pulls because your dps relative to the timer is way too high

[tough portal]

Especially on resto druid when the routine healing rotation gets through a LOT of stuff in that key level

Spec is broken

[graceful ermine]

Oh and also when your tank is never in danger from anything, so you don’t learn when to help your tank

[dense lantern]

Also abilities scale disproportionately. It's hard to know when to use a defensive or when to pop a cooldown if the damage patterns are just a confused mush of things that kinda do damage

[tough portal]

Bosses die in 1 min flat

[graceful ermine]

All of these are challenges that only emerge at a certain key level

[tough portal]

And you cant even tell that there's an overlap at 1:40

Until it catches up to you 5 keys later

[dense lantern]

While in a +15 it's a bit more obvious that "hey these bolts during an aoe kinda hit for 50% of a healthbar"

[lone jolt]

For M+ stats, still haste+vers?

[dense lantern]

It has never been vers

[graceful ermine]

You want a lot of mastery especially this season

[pulsar kettle]

df s3/4

[graceful ermine]

I think mastery is relatively more valuable to haste this season than any I’m aware of in recent memory

[oak garnet]

Not with the dps Im dealing with its like 2-3

[dense lantern]

What

[lone jolt]

thats just objectively false

[dense lantern]

I don't have recollection of this

[tough portal]

Well I mean in week 1 10s

[dense lantern]

I pushed both seasons and I don't think I've ever used vers

[oak garnet]

Oh yeah

[main timber]

It's never been good for healing, but sometimes you just didn't care about healing

[lone jolt]

I'm looking at RIO and some top druids are using vers/haste on their crafted pieces

[fervent mica]

S1 df when you didn't need to heal at all

[oak garnet]

I'm playing this next week and letting new apex carry me

[weary moss]

Very true

[oak garnet]

Not trolling

[tough portal]

You need Nature's Bounty mate

If you're trying to BIG starfire

[main timber]

Guides really do explain this is the easiest way possible if you want to quickly check stats page. Nothing has really changed for 5 years - just depends on how much you want more healing

[tough portal]

Bad at building for damage

Imagine

[short fjord]

Convoke or Tree for raid?

[oak garnet]

Oh I would be WS still

[graceful ermine]

I didn’t play df but I heard it was a lot more one shotty, which would naturally make verse a very important stat. There’s almost (?) no true one shots this season

[oak garnet]

Not kotg

[tough portal]

So just massive mixed signals

From that build

[dense lantern]

This is false

Like

[oak garnet]

I think healing will be good enough

[dense lantern]

Idk why people this

Versatility is not related in any* way to survivability

[graceful ermine]

What

[pulsar kettle]

[graceful ermine]

It’s clearly related to surviving one shot breakpoints

[oak garnet]

Dream will crank like 30k hps during coted!

[tough portal]

Lets just watch this Lakers game shall we

[pulsar kettle]

how much vers did we need in tww to survive paladin shields in priory on 20s

[dense lantern]

Yes ok you go 40% mastery to survive a +19

And then what

[graceful ermine]

If a mechanic overkills you by 1% in a single hit, verse becomes the most important stat

[glass crane]

guys I have insane news, I timed some 20s using nd

[dense lantern]

Gg it's over can't push anymore

[graceful ermine]

Until you cross that threshold

[dense lantern]

Ok have you tried going bear?

[pulsar kettle]

unforch the cn druids are the only ones on the front page and none of them play ND, get to work bud

[graceful ermine]

Yeah okay maybe that’s never relevant for Druid

[oak garnet]

Pro ND anti hb 'cord

[graceful ermine]

It certainly could be relevant for other classes

[dense lantern]

Like this is not a thing until you're doing literally the highest key possible

Vers saves you half a key level of damage

[tough portal]

I think you can reasonably play both

[dense lantern]

You fail keys because you don't do enough DPS/HPS

Not because you didn't have enough vers to survive a one shot

[dense lantern]

Or w/e mechanics etc

[graceful ermine]

I agree with the thrust of your point, and most relevantly for the way this season works in particular. I was just disagreeing with the “never” statement

[pulsar kettle]

who here pushed 20+ priories in tww

did u need vers for paladin shields or no

[glass crane]

yes and a bunch of avoidance

[hardy canopy]

pre-turbo boost ye

[graceful ermine]

Like I think anyone asking that question is definitely not doing keys high enough to ever prio verse

[oak garnet]

I think the vers argument only makes sense at like 20+ and even then druid has bear form and ursols

[pulsar kettle]

ty jb

[pulsar kettle]

do u recall if df s3/s4 was mostly stacking vers or mastery alongside haste

[glass crane]

some of both

[graceful ermine]

But there certainly is a world where you do keys high enough that it makes sense to break out the “can I live it” calculator and grab some extra verse to change the math

Well maybe not for Druid because bear form

[dense lantern]

Guess I was misremembering then unforch

Or I just never did it knowingly

[lone jolt]

bearform helps, but not when you need to be actively healing during said dmg lol

[glass crane]

in general it's pretty rare to turbo stack two stats by the end of the xpac

[oak garnet]

If only we had hots

[glass crane]

dr always kicks in hard by then

[graceful ermine]

You only need to be in bear form for one global to survive a one shot

[dense lantern]

Then you just heal

[oak garnet]

You can literally bear form the hit and lose 1 global

[tough portal]

Try 400k bro

[graceful ermine]

If it’s not a single hit, then we circle back to haste/mastery for maximum throughput is what matters

[oak garnet]

Hell yeah meme of cenarius

Im trying it out fuck it

Gonna try it out in some less stressful keys first

[tough portal]

Swiftmend Regrowth Starfire repeat

[glass crane]

doc would be a lot cooler if all your hots didn't fall off while you're blasting starfires

[tough portal]

No then you would be a mistweaver

[glass crane]

then your hotw falls off and everyone dies

[tough portal]

You just need to play for Blooming Infusion

Until they fix it

WG is a damage button too since Treants Moonfire for you

[oak garnet]

You're all in on keeper

I'm here for it

[tough portal]

So you have perma hots up, -1s cd on Swiftmend, Ironbark is a massive button from Dryad

And Boomie Convoke is shit so you just save that for healing with no regrets

[oak garnet]

Honestly having control of the dream in keys p nice

But still I'd go WS

[graceful ermine]

Is boomie convoke bad?

[oak garnet]

I cant commit to full meme with doc and kotg

[tough portal]

Yeah it's not even a DPS gain for the most part

It's a DPS gain to use outside of Call in 1-3 targets usually, but not more than that, and not in Call

Well, it's also mobile compared to Starfire spam I suppose

[graceful ermine]

If you know you won’t need convoke for the next minute, does it still make sense to send just to get some free rejuv spreading from it while maintaining dps?

[fair shadow]

How do you even use nature bounty efficiently because if you swiftmend regrowth it only effects the following bad regrowths correct?

[tidal lynx]

It's weird how it's been kitty weaving for many expansions and suddenly they go "we want to make range more viable"

[graceful ermine]

I don’t think it’s that weird. It seems pretty clear to me your average player hates being in melee range and is “afraid” of catweaving. Dps being primarily ranged allows them to feel more comfortable. Making things easier on most players is probably a net win

[rich gale]

Download the weakauras replacement 'm33kauras' from GitHub and use the Cursor Combo string Voulk published via wago.io - while there are some visual issues with Lifebloom and Efflo, it works well with Swiftmend and Wildgrowth. As for it being a seperate addon, Im looking but havent seen anything yet.

Voulk mentioned a few days ago he would look at updating his Cursor Combo weakaura for meekauras so hopefully an update will come along soon

[tidal lynx]

It's weird that it took this long.

[graceful ermine]

That I agree with

[tidal lynx]

Like they waited multipled expansions.

[graceful ermine]

I mean it’s probably not that weird. Dev time is limited and split between many things. It’s easier to leave something as is than change it

And ultimately the way a healer deals damage isn’t a super high priority thing

[grand herald]

midnight is just a weird ass expansion

[tidal lynx]

I bet in like two expansions they go back on weakauras and addon changes

[grand herald]

id be suprised if that happens

it either happens real soon

or not at all

[tough portal]

But those options have existed since the dawn of time and this is the first time they tune chicken damage higher than catweaving, and MUCH higher at that

[graceful ermine]

I doubt it. They are investing too much into improving the base ui

Yeah it’s either going to happen right now or never

[grand herald]

doesnt have to be mutually exclusive

good base ui for new players

strong addons for people who care

[graceful ermine]

It depends if they just give up on committing work into refining their base ui

[graceful ermine]

I mean I definitely think they are out of touch with current tuning (there’s evidence of this everywhere). So it’s very possible they are just under the impression that right now cat outpaces ranged damage

And so heavy handed buffs make sense from that perspective

Assuming their goal is to shift to the more popular ranged damage

It’s just funny they are so wrong about current tuning and these buffs are over the top

[tidal lynx]

So anyone going to try KOTG on tues?

in kesy

[tough portal]

How many players does it take for us to get the shaman dev to make Primal Strike viable for RSham damage?

[fervent mica]

all rsham players, so like 12

[graceful ermine]

Rsham anecdotally seems really popular

Whenever I do keys as boomie or on my evoker pugging, I see by far more rsham sign ups than any other healer

Maybe rdruid is close

[tough portal]

Yeah so this is the key issue, the dev in charge has a different idea for this than they have in the past, it's alienating players that enjoyed this part of the spec identity that's been the status quo for at least 8 years

For the sake of pleasing people that enjoy the design of other healers

This is also not exclusive to resto druid, ofc, it's just a lame design direction

[graceful ermine]

I think it’s reasonable to prioritize popularity when it comes to healers and tanks. There’s a general shortage of both so anything to make them easier for the average player is probably good

It’s not a bad decision to do something unpopular with the hardcore invested crowd that could attract people scared away

And on the whole this is pretty minor. Only the most dedicated rdruid players are committed to the concept of catweaving over just pressing starfire

Enough to complain about it

[tough portal]

"Hardcore" is a crazy descriptor for this

[hardy canopy]

healer design in general is dogshit since tww

disc priest going back to spamming shields and getting oom in a minute is actually crazy bad design

[tough portal]

Alienating the existing playerbase and flipping the design identity of specs on their heads is bad for everybody

[grand herald]

lets be real, "hardcore" players are the only ones actually dpsing as healers anyways

[hardy canopy]

?

[graceful ermine]

Well sure but how alienating is this? How many people care enough to be turned off of playing the spec?

My guess is very few

I could be wrong. I don’t have data

[fluid compass]

[tough portal]

????

[hardy canopy]

am i getting ragebaited

[tough portal]

What do you define as "hardcore" here

Cuz casual players are doing a shit ton of content as healers where they NEED to DPS

Like world content and delves lol

[graceful ermine]

But my sense is almost no one is going to stop playing rdruid because we stopped catweaving and started spamming starfire. Whereas there might be a non-trivial uptick in interest now that people who feel uncomfortable staying in melee range don’t get told they are playing the spec incorrectly

[tough portal]

YOu know what would make resto druid also more popular

If it stopped being a healer and turned into DPS altogether

A lot more people would give it a try than those who would drop the spec

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/genius-shit-snoop-dogg-phat-tuesdays-thats-genius-its-genius-gif-24914106

[tough portal]

[fluid compass]

what about another aug

[graceful ermine]

Modification Druid. The new spec replacing restoration (shaman own the patent and issued a cease and desist)

[tough portal]

Why cant those players that would want to play a healer that just spams 1 casted spell at range not play the 3 other healers that deal damage that awy?

[harsh quail]

druid is already an aug by default, you are either augmenting your tankiness, physical dps or magical dps, based on the form

[fluid compass]

[tough portal]

Resto druid is the only melee healer where damage is not an obligation to the healing rotation

I find DPSing as mistweaver a lot lamer cuz it supplants the healing rotation and there is effectively very little decision making friction in it

[harsh quail]

but the cat icon of ws!

[graceful ermine]

I think tww mistweaver was significantly more complex than tww rdruid. It’s just mistweaver is in an incredibly stupid state in this patch

If they leave it like that the entire expansion, that’ll be rough

[granite sparrow]

how trustworthy is the sim on QE? i got this for the trinkets both for raid & m+, their normal graph says gaze is 2nd no doubt

[proven phoenix]

you have mythic ribbon gaze vaelgors??

[grand herald]

crazy

[granite sparrow]

no, i was testing to choose where i would spend the new coins or wtv

[proven phoenix]

oh

but yea that result seems expected

doesnt look too crazy

[granite sparrow]

so vaelgor > gaze on mythic version?

[bright swift]

no

[bitter ember]

if i ever had that choice i would stil lgo gaze just because of ease of access

im not gonna actively think about having an optimal vaelgor send vs just having 2 passive trinkets

and its a 200hps difference

its a nonexistant one

[granite sparrow]

but if you were let's say 5/9 you would go for gaze + vaelgor right? i have ribbons heroic with avoidance but eh

or would you go for heart of the wind to avoid the on use

[bitter ember]

i would just not spend coins on trinket specific rolls besides gaze and rather get myth tracks in other slots like tier or rings and once alleria dies roll there if i care about being full bis (2 months from now)

idek if we know what the 12 0 7 boss drops

he might have some stupidly overpowered trinket

[granite sparrow]

i see, didnt even know about a new boss lmao

[main timber]

Vaelgor is strong but annoying

[bitter ember]

i sure as fuck will not be planning my coins to get only "bis" or whatever the fuck

[main timber]

I'd just default to Gaze unless you want an on-use specifically for something

[bitter ember]

any upgrade will do, gearing for the bis setup is pointless cause half the items come from after prog and its a tomorrow me issue

[proven phoenix]

I think im just playing ribbon gaze ideally but I will take any combination of ribbon gaze stare

[granite sparrow]

the gaze i'm pretty set on, im doubting more the 2nd option becuase i'm thinking of also pushing m+

[bitter ember]

then litany is good

isnt every mpusher playing litany

[graceful ermine]

Litany is very good in keys

Now that they changed it so cat hotw fully procs it

[granite sparrow]

litany is like the old loomithar then? mandatory for m+ and similiar use

[graceful ermine]

Idk if it’s mandatory. I’m not sure what world first keys are doing for gearing

But it’s certainly one of your best trinkets

[iron sail]

Must be super common questions, but can someone give me some tips for healing the rift stalker bleed in seat as well as the 2nd boss? There are some nasty overlaps where it feels extremely sketchy to heal. This is on 19s currently

[graceful ermine]

There are a lot of damage amps that you can get a ton of value from it with

[fervent mica]

dps just has to save jesus for the overlap... along with bark

[proven phoenix]

you have to rotate cds, keep lb on a bleed, if you have an evoker make him dispel on cd

people need to be very liberal with personals

its really hard to heal but I end up just ramping up on all 3 dps because I dont know who actually gets the bleed

[iron sail]

Same. But honestly, the bleeds seems incredibly overtuned compared to other abilities in other dungeons

[proven phoenix]

yeah

it ticks for 50% of an hp bar

without a personal

it just hits really fucking hard

[austere bloom]

something odd on QE. not sure if i'm doing something wrong. i have a crafted 285 chest. but shows nothing is better, even a 289 NPX/SKyreach chest.

[whole horizon]

sorry was at work so i missed half the convo. that's wild to me tbh.

[grand herald]

cause youd lose the embell, i assume

[austere bloom]

Oh, I see.

[whole horizon]

the whole pre-season i was doing m0s, every debuff i got i took the time to mentally note which mob cast it, what pull it happened on, etc. and i'm mentally planning my defensives, making note of what hits reasonably hard.

[grand herald]

you could manually add the items to top gear

to see

[formal plaza]

Yay or nay to Harmonious Blooming in M+?

[whole horizon]

healing is totally different but this is more general dungeon knowledge stuff. getting halfway through a season and watching somebody discover a mechanic in a dungeon they've done 30 times is just the most disheartening thing to me.

[main timber]

HB probably will be in my default build next week. For this week it's a choice talent

[formal plaza]

thanks 🙂

[graceful ermine]

What are you moving to hb?

Nd?

[main timber]

I don't think I'll be moving off ND for now

But I think you can be a bit flexible with that last point

[graceful ermine]

Are you moving off of tv?

[narrow ruin]

er... swarm?

[hardy canopy]

1 TV 1 ND i think

nature's bounty prob not needed anymore

you want to boost lifebloom for aoe healing anyway

[graceful ermine]

Wow nb is often a 3-4% talent for me

[hardy canopy]

in keys?

[graceful ermine]

Yeah

[placid flax]

ya i ran NB like first week then took it off

[graceful ermine]

Is that high?

[hardy canopy]

i don't think the hps of the talent matters, its just to help with the triage tbh

but i think lb just does the heavy lifting starting next week

[granite sparrow]

you guys use ND on m+? i checked the top players and seems like no one is going with it
edit: or just after next week?

[tough portal]

Right, I'm not saying simple vs complex really, and I'm not gonna pretend I understood mistweaver inside and out, but I just dont like that damage does its own healing and at some point you have to assess that you need to cast more heals along with the damage. Like DOC is simple, I abhor DOC.

[bitter ember]

doc and wotc are just horror to the spec

making your aoe damage spell be the most efficient heal is just stupid

[placid flax]

ya some do but usually mid lower ones gearing

[bitter ember]

like yeah make dream of cenarius swipe your most efficient healing global at 4 targets and higher see how many people like it

(5 timmies that can finally heal their 10s without pressing a single healing spell)

[cursive pilot]

sunfire

[tough portal]

Banewlf thinks that's good direction for the game

Dont get it twisted

[granite sparrow]

what do they remove for it, photosynthesis?

[tough portal]

Lots of us do, yes.

[bitter ember]

yeah fortunately i dont see his messages anymore

[placid flax]

HB or go 1/2 TV

[tough portal]

The representation gap doesnt represent truthfully the healing contribution of that talent vs alternatives

[bitter ember]

its the same thing as pushing "shield" gameplay for disc

[tough portal]

These logs at the top 100 leaderboards make other even worse healing decisions for literally no benefit too

It's not gospel just cuz someone rly good at the game does it

[bitter ember]

because some people find pressing a 6sec cd that extends ur hp by 50% fun and engaging (its just braindead op)

im actually curious ab 1 thing, i dont really play druid that much but why the fuck is every druid running resilient flourishing over root network and twin sprouts over implant in keys

isnt implant just infinitely better for your healing

[tough portal]

Resilient flourishing is better the more of your healing goes directly on targets w ith Symbiotic Bloom (cuz of its own healing and Vigorous Creepers)
Root Network gets better as it outscales with target count only

Implant is just much better and they're stupid for running Twin Sprouts, yes

[bitter ember]

ok great

[clear hawk]

hi guys, is there a haste cap for resto druid atm?

[slow pasture]

No

[clear hawk]

thank you

[urban kestrel]

the only weird haste caps these days are pet/guardian related (and also slightly ping dependent) and it's not worth optimizing an extra nourish cast from your treant

[clear hawk]

ahhh ic, thanks!

[pulsar hill]

What is ND?

[fervent mica]

nuturing dormancy

[graceful ermine]

Don’t get it twisted. I don’t prefer starfire spam but if your goal is to make the spec more attractive/popular, the change makes sense

Tearing down any barrier that is keeping new/lower level players from playing healer classes is probably a net positive change

[tough portal]

You dont like it but you think it's good

Crazy mate

But you dont like it

[graceful ermine]

There’s “what I prefer to play” and “what I think is the best decision for the playerbase as a whole”

They do not always overlap

[tough portal]

Good comms

My room has a chair for you

[hardy canopy]

wowgrandma catweaves

[pulsar hill]

Is Call of the Elder Druid and Dream of Cenarius actually any good?

[graceful ermine]

Are you asking if they are good to play or good design?

I think either way the answer is no, but wasn’t sure what you were asking for context

[pulsar hill]

Decent enough talents to use. I would like a lazy mans set up for running 10's, they seem like they could fit the niche.

[oak garnet]

i healed a 15 with coted and doc just now and barely pressed rejuv

pre buffs

[pulsar hill]

Sounds like something I gotta try then

[oak garnet]

i wouldnt advocate doing it as it is clearly not better than recommended

[pulsar hill]

Yeah but just for when I wanna chill it could be fun

[oak garnet]

I was also probably abusing a bug with that blooming infusion

[pulsar hill]

the what now?

[oak garnet]

NB healing counts as a regrowth

as does rg on Lb targ or pota rg

[pulsar hill]

These abbreviations man I have no idea

Sorry 😛

[onyx trail]

nature's bounty regrowth lifebloom protector of the ancient

[pulsar hill]

I cant seem to find Protector of the Ancient in my talent tree.

You mean Power of the Archdruid?

[oak garnet]

yeah

[onyx trail]

yes

rejuv regrowth spread

[proven phoenix]

lb rg wg pota sm tol cts nd ms nb rh ib gg ws

[hollow gyro]

Otwthyk

[proven phoenix]

forgot kotg

[marsh prism]

hi fartdel

[proven phoenix]

hi fartdel

[hollow gyro]

hi nance

[proven phoenix]

im entering a nexes point 19

pls pray for me

I might just get fucked

[hollow gyro]

hi phased gl in your key

[proven phoenix]

we've been theorycrafting this route for 20 mnutes now and every time they turn to me I go "yeah looks good to me send it"

allah will guide my hand

[hollow gyro]

Inshallah

[robust badge]

not even streaming it kinda fucked up

[cinder pike]

yo is there a discord like this but for disc priests?

[hollow gyro]

https://www.wowhead.com/discord-servers

Yes

[cinder pike]

ty

[rotund geode]

anyone play with feather here?

[pulsar kettle]

[proven phoenix]

u dont even know lil son

[tough portal]

HUUUUGe you're a gamer bro

[proven phoenix]

every 19 and even some 18s (algethar) have been legit 3-5 seconds left on timer

it would unironically be a healer dps diff

if I just afk'd last boss aa or xenas for example

[robust badge]

You’ve changed man

[marsh prism]

grats to girthgate

[robust badge]

Thanks nance

[marsh prism]

nice girth liavre

[robust badge]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-waa-7tv-twitch-aaaaa-gif-17137341012820105478

[proven phoenix]

not for the better

im kinda just drowning myself in wow ngl

im pvping, doing high level m+ and raiding like usual

[robust badge]

PVPING?????

Bro if you need to talk about somethjng going on in your life my DMs are open man

There are people who care about you

[proven phoenix]

yeah man

unironically

[tough portal]

Yeah his friends that play the game with him

[hardy canopy]

bro

with 0 deaths??

who you're playing with???

[proven phoenix]

no not with 0 deaths

we have 1 off deaths

algethar timer is just insanely tight

[slow pasture]

Big elemental after 1st boss takes so much time

[pulsar kettle]

better have an aug for snap tech or enjoy ur target dummy mini boss 🙂

[proven phoenix]

yep

we're getting really cucked by no aug ngl

it makes so many dungeons trivial

[pulsar kettle]

one day aug will be bad again

[slow pasture]

I think the snap tech is legit 20/30s gain

[proven phoenix]

chinese melee groups do a 4echo knight pull with lust before last boss

because they're just that tanky

how do u do it with rdruid

I have no idea what the tech is

how do u get back

like flap to it

and then what

[glass crane]

you use mini boss aoe to knock yourself across

[proven phoenix]

ok but either way how do u get back...

to the miniboss platform

[glass crane]

the weyrnstone/flap/gust

[proven phoenix]

you can flap across???

ok I need some vod of this man

[glass crane]

you can flap close enough to stone

[proven phoenix]

ok well

we dont have an aug

xdd

[glass crane]

yeah it requires an aug

[proven phoenix]

I assumed it was like no aug tech

[glass crane]

what specs do you have

[proven phoenix]

warlock mage dh

[glass crane]

ok so you summon a port, get knocked across, meld, get summoned, cast a wrath, accept summon while wrath is midair

[proven phoenix]

ok im going to dry this

[pulsar kettle]

so...have an aug

[trim bluff]

watch the latest tettles vod

[woven mango]

no thank you

[nimble delta]

Hello guys.
Can someone explain to me like a toddler how to increase hots size on blizzard raidframe?

[marsh prism]

edit mode click on frame and there's an indicator size slider that goes to 200%

[nimble delta]

Thanks!

[sleek spire]

Do we get bonus rolls on next reset? Or just upgrade item? Or nothing yet?

[iron sail]

Do you use sotf on regrowth or rejuv in keys?

[proven phoenix]

depends on the situation

prepping for damage = rejuv, spot healing or damage already happened = regrowth

[slow pasture]

You can also use soft on rejuv for moderate dmg.

[runic spire]

Why photosynthesis is strong talent as it only provides bonus on 1 target? Only for tank healing or I am missing something

[storm kettle]

More blooms means more verdancy procs
Edit: Not even counting the apex talents. With apex you want as much blooms as possible since they also aoe heal

[fervent mica]

bonus rolls, upgrade item comes after the next thing is built... don't know if thats another multiweek thing or not /-:

[sleek spire]

You know how many we get? 1 or 2? I mean coins to be able to roll on raid

[fervent mica]

2

which is 1 raid roll

or 2 m+ rolls

[sleek spire]

So its 2 coins evry week?

[fervent mica]

yeah

[runic spire]

Yeah

[sleek spire]

Ty guys

[slow pasture]

And it removes the loot from the roll table

So if you use you roll on Chimaerus and you don’t get the trinket but let’s say the chest. It removes the chest from the roll table meaning you have more chance to loot it next week on your bonus roll

[sleek spire]

If you already have the chest, is the chest already off the table? Or you still can get it? or you have to literally get it by bonus rolling to get it off the roll tabl?

[plain steeple]

Is this the case also for the roll table of your vault?

[fervent mica]

not 100% sure but it sounds like only the rolls are blockers

[hard loom]

Gonna be target farming that mythic heart of wind i reken.. haha

[fervent mica]

doubt it... too many brick drops in there /-:

[hard loom]

That and maybe mythic chimmy. Dont see my guild getting mythic cosmos down annny time soon lol

[solemn crater]

With the 12.0.5 changes, is caster damage resto gonna be competitive? Never been a huge fan of catweaving

[bright swift]

It'll be the go to very likely

For the first time ever

[sly pivot]

Is there a way to make it so when you cast a spell you fluid form to chicken?

I just got cat weaving down 😅

[fervent mica]

owl is a damage loss

you don't want to fluid form with it

haste is bae

[sly pivot]

Oh, that’s fine then

[frozen prairie]

Can't wait to randomly die while casting starfire

[rustic copper]

yeah I'm sure this spec will be ok next week

[sleek spire]

For AOE Padding damage, which is irrelevant in a key, sure. You still want to cat since youd o most ST in cat form, and there healer dmg can matter

[solemn crater]

I dont do high enough keys for it to matter all that much 😛

[lost crypt]

2 rolls per week plus 1 more if you choose it from the weekly vault. Instead of a gem socket u can choose a reroll token (unless im mistaken, pls correct me)

[fervent mica]

with the buffs its likely just going to be caster dps + hotw in cat

[fervent mica]

yup

[fervent mica]

raid rolls cost 2 of them though

[glossy moth]

with the range dmg buffs can we stop playing cat form when attacking?

or its not enough?

[smoky sail]

Do we have a rough list of bosses we will toss the bonus rolls at ?

I assume Chimerus and Crown are likely the go to

[tough portal]

Nobody knows what gear you have and what gear you dont

[smoky sail]

Ok but talking in general

[dreamy tangle]

Refer to the BIS Gear list and items you dont have but want

Would be my recommendation

Or Check qe live droptimizer

[rustic copper]

Probably nexus point xenas because it has a few good items and a small loot pool, in general you’re using on m+ if you need items to dump myth crests into

Not many people have killed crown and holding your bonus roll in prog is slightly grief

[smoky grove]

is there like any overview what we should bonus roll on next week?

[solemn crater]

Read the last maybe, 10 messages here lol

[frozen prairie]

will we be able to upgrade crucible trinket too? I guess not right?

that would be ridiculous i guess

[fervent mica]

hero and myth only

[frozen prairie]

gotcha

[fervent mica]

or max crafted

[rustic copper]

What’s the cost to upgrade a weapon past max

[frozen prairie]

wait so crafted weapon is then goated no? because embelishment

[fervent mica]

no, its still 4 lower ilvl

[rustic copper]

But do we know if it like costs 2 for a 2h or some shit

[fervent mica]

you'd rather have 2 lower pieces with weave than use it forever

[frozen prairie]

ah, yeah it make sense i guess. M track would be irrelevant theen

[rustic copper]

Also you basically need a staff gg

[fervent mica]

this is like all we know /-:

[rustic copper]

It’s on ptr I thought

Was hoping at least someone knew

[frozen prairie]

need to pray for staff in vault

[fervent mica]

or just roll it in npx

which is what most people will likely do...

[frozen prairie]

hero track will go to max?

[fervent mica]

you can use the rerolls in +10s to get myth track items

[rustic copper]

I still have no idea what to bonus roll

[frozen prairie]

i need to read about it. Confusing a bit.

[rustic copper]

Heroic Lura might actually be the best immediate value for me

lol

[fervent mica]

i would probably do crown, if my guild was killing it soon

[frozen prairie]

With reroll i can get M track from m+?

[fervent mica]

but npx is just too much power

[slow pasture]

Mythic Chimaerus

[fervent mica]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/official-patch-12-0-5-development-notes-systems-activities-class-changes-381256

scroll down to nebulous voidcore

[rustic copper]

You need to realize npx drops items that don’t save you crests

[slow pasture]

Or maybe npx yeah to boost a lot

[frozen prairie]

gonna read later. Thanks for link. Need vpn for it

[rustic copper]

If you’re mythic raiding and you got things to spend crests on

3 myth items is kinda nothing

[fervent mica]

i could spend crests on bracers... or cloak...

so... npx looking good

[frozen prairie]

i already have dreams about npx. Tired of that dungeon

[rustic copper]

[fervent mica]

thats why i'm holding crests <_<

[rustic copper]

you’re holding crests

[fervent mica]

a whole 70

[rustic copper]

Man

Illegal

[frozen prairie]

i hhave 110. Have nothing to upgrade.

[fervent mica]

lol

i'm 281... its fine

[frozen prairie]

I don't raid

[rustic copper]

If you have nothing to upgrade it’s understandable

He’s sandbagging prog holy moly

[fervent mica]

i just do what i'm told <_<

[rustic copper]

Hold crests until you get myth achievement on alt

And then you blast to 288 ilvl

[fervent mica]

brilliant

[inland sandal]

this is gonna be a really dumb question, but does this mean we'll have to let lifebloom drop off before reapplying or do we continue to refresh like normal?

[rustic copper]

If you refresh lifebloom when it is about to expire you still get a bloom

30%

[inland sandal]

ok thank you for the clarification

[slow pasture]

When is myth achiev

[rustic copper]

285 ilvl I think

So if you hit 285 on a main and send all your bonus rolls on myth item on alt

Your alt probably passes your main

[slow pasture]

Damn is it ? I'm 279 and didnt paid attention

[frozen prairie]

need to have 276 in every slot no? or 285 for M

[fervent mica]

Myth version is just ilvl, hero is every slot

[rustic copper]

Myth is ilvl based

[languid pine]

Hey Guys! Whats the best method to utilize the voidcahces? I feel like using for raid is still kinda risky becouse if u are very unlucky it still takes 4 weeks to get your wanted piece. (Lets says dreamrift there are 4 loots and u want the trinkret). While in m+ u are close to 80% usable mythic slots (considering u only have 1-2 right now). I am thinking u could het almost full mythic gear from m+ rolls in 3 weeks while in raid u need to het lucky to get the wanted trinkrets. What do u guys think?

[frozen prairie]

oh damn thats OP. I am far sadly

[rustic copper]

I don’t think anyone has the achieve yet

But I’m going to skyrocket my alts when my main hits 285

[bright swift]

there's no way anyone has it yet

[fervent mica]

I have a pair of alts at 280... With a bunch of crests

[bright swift]

not enough crests in the game

[fervent mica]

It's still weeks off though

298 weapon and trinkets will speed it up though... If that is easy to get multiple of

[cunning lance]

Hello folks im a bit confused on how the rework on everbloom will work and if it is a buff or not ? can someone explain that to me

[rustic copper]

I think a lot of ppl will get it In 2 more resets

[cursive pilot]

Prolly next week

[grand herald]

the patch notes cover it quite well, final bloom just means blooms in general

and big buff

[cunning lance]

oh ok so also the proc from soul of the forest works

[grand herald]

and refo

yeah

not refo

photo

[fervent mica]

Photo will feed it a lot

[cunning lance]

cool thank u m8

[hard loom]

Trying to compare mythic heart of wind to heroic locus walker ribbon

It would seem heroic ribbon is better

Or am I wrong

[fervent mica]

Trust the robot

[marsh prism]

its probably close enough for it to be competitive either way

you can just go with w/e top gear spits out

[glossy moth]

does anyone know where in silvermoon city you can change the look of the druid forms?

[marsh prism]

barberrrrr

getting rdy to stream alleria pray for kill

[ripe badge]

hey guys what frames are u enjoying the most for highkeys? standard, grid2 or danders?

[marsh prism]

grid2

[weak quarry]

hey, first pull of SotT am i expected to just heal through all the chain dmg?

i just got kicked after 1st pull because people died but it felt like they were getting 100-0 in like 1 second every time

[hard loom]

What lvl was the key

[weak quarry]

14

i timed 13 a few days ago without issue

(as best as I remember)

[hybrid tangle]

freedom, tigers lust and any other snare removal breaks the chains so dps needs to help you there, as a brew tank I always tigers lust a squishy dps for example

shapeshift too

[weak quarry]

aight

so the fact that no one broke out of them, and so they died, isnt my fault?

[oak garnet]

What was comp

[iron sail]

this will only happen if people stack though, thats on them. 2-3 people stacked are insta death, need to pre-spread

[oak garnet]

Did they have breaks?

[weak quarry]

im happy for it to be my fault tho

[weak quarry]

brewmaster mage hunter lock

[weak quarry]

oh ok thats deffo what happened

[oak garnet]

The 3 ranged were stacked?

[weak quarry]

people were pretty close so yeah most likely overlapping

i dont think anyone knew stacking was bad (myself included)

[oak garnet]

It's healing intensive, if you have blooms on one dps you shift your own debuff and spam rg on the other 2 to stabilize. Usually get 2 chains per oppresser

Have convoke for first pack then tranq for second if needed. If dps was doing dumb shit it's possible they trolled u

[weak quarry]

alright thank you. i definitely wasnt expecting it to be so rough + i have a tendency to hold CDs rather than sending them so i fucked myself mostly

also convoke feeling kinda weak recently idk

[oak garnet]

In a 13 you can usually save them sounds like if they kicked you they felt like you fucked up

[weak quarry]

i mean thats fair idk if i even shifted out of my own in the panic

but also stacking definitely happened too

[oak garnet]

You want to shift out of yours

[weak quarry]

are there any reference resources out there for identifying scary pulls?

outside of bosses i dont feel like i know what trash is bad aside from when i know there are big pulls like 1st AA

[oak garnet]

Maybe but you'll learn them just by doing higher keys. There are more detailed guides on YouTube for each dungeon I'd imagine. You also learn them passively by just playing the game

[slow pasture]

1st pull if AA is big but not hps intensive

[static tiger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FRkjLyDqrcJQdT9G?fight=7&type=casts&source=238

vs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WrmVqanCc1Yy4Lvg?fight=53&type=casts&source=829

can someone tell me why i go oom

but this other rdruid

never needs to drink?

[weak quarry]

feels like the tank falls over later in the pull

[slow pasture]

Tank falling over is most of the time : lack of dps or bad kitting

(For that pull in AA)

[weak quarry]

there's a stacking debuff that idk but it looks like it hits hard

is that it?

on the tank

[slow pasture]

Yes it’s a bleed

[weak quarry]

gotcha

[slow pasture]

And the moment thesz stacks are too high you just can’t heal them

[shrewd jay]

Guys.
Do you have any tips to pump HPS in Crown ?
I struggling a lot vs Pal by exemple.

[slow pasture]

Real scary pull are :1st of WS / Near all pull on Seat / sometimes 1st of SR / bleed bewteen 1st and 2nd boss of MT and the 2 big void before last boss.

And there are more. But tg
Hese are the one i'm thinking of

[storm kettle]

Are you talking about hc or mythic?

[shrewd jay]

HC 🙂

[oak garnet]

He pressed innervate 5 more times and sunfire 76 less times + had more regrowths/regrowth hps

[storm kettle]

Just a sniping game, if the hpal is pumping he's probably getting some fat holy lights on the heal absorbs

[thorny cedar]

Hey there, is there are any info - how haste afflicts on various HOTs ticks?

[tough portal]

Yeah 1% haste makes them tick 1% faster

2% haste is 2% faster

[thorny cedar]

Thx, i mean smth like lifebloom +1 tick on 10% haste, rejuv +2 ticks on 18% haste

[bright swift]

that's not a thing anymore

for like 15 years

lol

hots have partial ticks

[haughty ibex]

i think u learn that by playing tbh, some pulls are harsher on the tank (aa 1st pull and a couple others after vexa, some pulls in pos etc) while others scary for everyone else (MT glaives, heal absorbs, WS overall cancer imo etc)

[thorny cedar]

ima very old drud comming back

[haughty ibex]

prob a million more but u just see with exp ig

[tough portal]

Ticks per cast is an irrelevant metric to think aboht cuz of what vrocas said

Yeah there's no organized resource like that it's just learning the mechanics of the dungeons

[marsh prism]

mistweaver is ranged obelisk and melee chain

i cant with this fucking game

[thorny cedar]

Thx

[thorny cedar]

thx

[static tiger]

sunfire less i didn't realize it takes that much aman ty

[urban kestrel]

Yeah this shit is even funnier when your hpal is even bubble taunting chains too.

Sometimes you just randomly get 1 chain and you're not even sure anyone immuned.

[marsh prism]

your hpal

hes the mw.

[urban kestrel]

p3 on that fight is really free with 2 paladins and some dhs at least.

[urban kestrel]

That's still 3 or 4 chains immunes.

[weak quarry]

struggling to get invites to 15s is it score or ilvl?

[bright swift]

both

273 is very low at this point

[weak quarry]

perfect ty

yeah i only play m+ so im kinda gated to 1 myth/week it sucks

[bright swift]

you for sure don't have full hero

[weak quarry]

nah i dont

i dont have that much time to play during the week so i chase score rather than gear