resto

[spare sand]

Actually a big buff

[gentle nova]

Pvp is 2-3 players

[real carbon]

Weaker ST heal burst

[boreal karma]

But very small

[bright swift]

all real content

[real carbon]

I hope so

[gentle nova]

Just a bit because apex will guarantee hit the lb target also

[night sorrel]

Question - for raid purposes would embellishment wise - would two arcanoweave be more useful or should i still have .... 1 arcanoweave and darkmoon sigil hunt

[summer sphinx]

Is it technically more HPS? 450% LB healing over 3 ticks vs 500% over 5?

[boreal karma]

It’s legit just insane Upgrade

[bright swift]

add player 6

[boreal karma]

For m+

[real carbon]

Oh shit, I wasn't seeing it properly

You're absolutely right

[boreal karma]

It’s legit Crazy

And will Most likely get nerfed cause of m+

[bright swift]

I calculated a 10% buff in raid if you play the new build already

[gentle nova]

My crystal healing is crazy

[bright swift]

really

[real carbon]

So we take apex talents in raid now?

[boreal karma]

With wildstalker and no Refor Right

[boreal karma]

Yes

[night sorrel]

Well on Tuesday **

[bright swift]

we were struggling but for a reason we have fixed now

[real carbon]

What would a talent tree look like in raids?

[gentle nova]

Play rh

[bright swift]

yes

I will

[real carbon]

With the new change next week

[distant birch]

whats that blue class

[bright swift]

and then next week new talents

[gentle nova]

[bright swift]

paladin needs buffs

[gentle nova]

Do more

[distant birch]

is he oom already

[bright swift]

yes

[urban kestrel]

500k

ret rising

pog

[bright swift]

he lays one

[gentle nova]

Ret beats my disc

[bright swift]

[distant birch]

our ret beats me too

[gentle nova]

My disc doesn’t hheal em

[distant birch]

i just grip 3 and do like 1 penance

and they are full

[night sorrel]

anyone know if embellishment wise - is it better for two arcanoweaves or .. Sigil hunt on weapon and 1 arcanoweave ?

trying to max for raid purposes

[real carbon]

Thanks dude, that really helped! RDruid is already so dominant in M+, not sure how it's going to be now xD getting nerfed like you said prolly

[gentle nova]

Yeah we pop em pretty fast

[boreal karma]

It will get adjusted

Don’t think it will stay cause of m+

We are already dominant in m+ and that is a huge m+ healing buff

And the only way to nerf it for m+ is spreading the same amount of total healing across 8-10 players or we get nerfed in both raid and m+

[real carbon]

Going to ride that wave up until they adjust it though xD

[grizzled seal]

They can nerf this cleave to 30% and it will still be a raid buff

[gentle nova]

Why dont they do this actually

[bright swift]

they have no idea what they're doing

[boreal karma]

It’s blizzard in the end

[grizzled seal]

https://tenor.com/view/idiocracy-test-genius-iq-gif-14792434

[real carbon]

rofl

Now I need to watch that movie again

[icy wagon]

What is everyone`s opinion on owl weaving now? how does it compare to cat weaving? Any differences between raid and m+?

[bright swift]

raid

you're not doing damage in raid lil gup

press those rejuvs

[icy wagon]

[knotty goblet]

M+ would probably the more relevant question

[bitter trench]

Hello gamers would anyone recommend some good rdru raid POVs that aren’t torty or vrocas

They are good, just seeking new

[bright swift]

[bitter trench]

Shit it’s him pretend to be a tree

🎄

[boreal karma]

[cursive pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/aspen-trees-gif-13203990

[onyx trail]

[spark river]

phased

[narrow raven]

Guys, I’ve got one question. When Lifebloom’s final bloom occurs, does the new Apex mean that after consuming Soul of the Forest from 5 blooms, only the last one procs on 6 ppl ?

[bright swift]

what

final bloom is worded a bit weirdly but it's just any bloom

[fervent mica]

it triggers 3 "final" blooms

[bright swift]

exactly

[narrow raven]

Kk, ty 🙂

[bright swift]

photo also procs final blooms constantly

[boreal karma]

Photo is goated

[fervent mica]

without talents lifebloom only blooms at the end of it.

they just suck at wording...

[azure dagger]

Hello everyone! Perhaps this question will seem repetitive in this chat, but I couldn't find an answer why? In future changes, they will change the apex talent. I thought it was a nerf for m+, but I see that many people write that it's a buff... why is it a buff in the context of m+?

[queen hare]

guys is there any way to disable non dispellable debuffs such as bleed in Dander's frames? I selected show only dispellable but bleed shows as frame

[queen hare]

do we change apex like how? we dont use it or?

[queen hare]

found it ty

[azure dagger]

Everbloom (Rank 2) has been redesigned – When Lifebloom's final bloom occurs, it heals 6 allies within 40 yards for 25%/50% of its healing amount.
Everbloom (Rank 3) Blooming Frenzy now triggers 3 times (was 5).

[queen hare]

yup but its now better isnt it?

so we use it in any case

[azure dagger]

How is it better?

[queen hare]

here

[bright swift]

people seriously don't understand how their current apex works

[queen hare]

hell yeah (I also don't understand)

this is not really good afaik, 6>2

[azure dagger]

It says "in the raid" I'm only interested in m+. And I believe that in the context of m+ it's nerf. Am I wrong?

[bright swift]

you are wrong

[queen hare]

yes wrong

[steady saffron]

buff

[queen hare]

overall it heals more

[queen hare]

here

[bright swift]

I think that graph is kinda bad from Naenia

because the amount of blooms you get from photo does not go down

so it's a bigger buff than it looks there

[steady saffron]

So what you are saying is that we need more haste

[half timber]

Ngl messages like these are always nice, especially when the dungeon itself is quite difficult as a Healer^^

[plucky dawn]

wheres the best place to post my fashion?

[plain steeple]

Offtopic I guess

[bitter trench]

I knew there was a big 1 I was forgetting Ty

But still need more
I am very very washed and also starved of time and have to rely solely on multi task vod lurking and pure intuition
Don’t tell my raid leader

[half timber]

I saw a different rdruid in the hub and looked at their skill tree, I see quite many people not skilling Innervate and put the point in a different spot, why´s that 🤔

[bright swift]

ND not picked

[broken socket]

Do we have the new builds for 12.0.5? When will the guides be updated?

[bright swift]

Nothing changes for m+

[broken socket]

no? Even with the moonkin changes?

[bright swift]

For raid we'll have to see

ok sure the druid tree has changes

[rigid mirage]

Is that cuz M+ already ran the apex talents

[frozen prairie]

Vrocas , 2/2 TV or 1/2 and 1 point into NB? for higher ish keys

[broken socket]

ok so it's onyl resto tree unchanged for m+ 😄 Nice

[rigid mirage]

Or because it's not a big buff

[bright swift]

i'd say the 1 point in NB

but either works. It's not a big deal

[frozen prairie]

gotcha i see someone even go for heartwood i guess it depends on dungeon

[bright swift]

that's also not bad

but i've been liking improved swiftmend

[frozen prairie]

I have that

[bright swift]

pick ND...

m+ players I swear

[frozen prairie]

instead imp or to take one point from TV

no actually cant i guess its tv

[bright swift]

harmonious blooming

not very good

maybe better next week ..

[spark river]

Nd 😂

[frozen prairie]

i see everyone using it but i never understood whhy

[bright swift]

blocked

[frozen prairie]

Blooming i mean

[bright swift]

yeah it's not that great imo

ND has a much bigger impact

[clever remnant]

with the patch is VI still viable or will we playing prosp in raid/m+ all the time or not sure yet?

[rigid mirage]

What is nd

[bright swift]

nurturing dormancy

[rigid mirage]

Ah kk ty

[bright swift]

VI still the play in raid

m+ i think prosperity even better

[clever remnant]

okay

[spark river]

I miss the raid context only vrocas

[bright swift]

fuck you

[spark river]

Alright thats a bit far

Dont you think

[frozen prairie]

i tried that too. I think face is using it or someone idk. A bit annoying coz you need to cast more often lifebloom but it feels nice to have 2 SM

[bright swift]

m+ players have bad opinions

glad i'm here to fix it

[limpid jacinth]

True

[frozen prairie]

Prosperity + Reforestation goated no?

[limpid jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-gif-5393564689460670681

[frozen prairie]

Hold on Zak we are cooking here new improved m+ build

never tried before because its sercret

[haughty ibex]

how is this better to take than NB

isn’t nb just goated

[snow mulch]

should u play with apex talents in raid and should u play with tree of life or convoke in raid

[limpid jacinth]

DM me when you’ve cooked, I ran @tough portal ‘s latinogaytacoblast for a whole season

[frozen prairie]

idk i don't use it but i will try it i guess.

TalyorSwift kinda goated tho. I am not sure we can cook better one @limpid jacinth

[haughty ibex]

no imlike wondering

i just find nd kinda mid

[frozen prairie]

many people ain't using it but some people does.

Won't change much i guess whatever you pick

[snow mulch]

@frozen prairie was that an answer to me

[haughty ibex]

i mean nd + prosp i just feel like idk what to press

all rejuvs are out already

[bright swift]

regrowth if there's more to heal still

[stark talon]

hi, question, i just swaped to resto again, as one of our dps whent aug, and i have nooticed that a lot of people are runing the boomy path for dmg, is that just preference thing or is it better for downtime dps then cat-weaving?

[haughty ibex]

i don’t want to be regrowth bot…

[frozen prairie]

I haven't saw your msg. What was question?

[haughty ibex]

but ill try

[frozen prairie]

i am heavy regrowth user

[snow mulch]

this

[frozen prairie]

i don't raid m8 i think people play without apex and convoke. Tree on some specific bosses. Probably they will use apex on reset tho @snow mulch

[thorn whale]

https://klipy.com/gifs/rigbi-cat

Vrocas with m+ takes

[limpid jacinth]

KITTY

[pine coyote]

@bright swift wdyt about this tree? im currently 3434 rating sadly, trying to get better and understand talent choices more

[bright swift]

You should play RH if you play VI

swiftmend healing is not that important to you

[pine coyote]

thank you!

[thorn whale]

Not playing RH makes 0 sense to me

But maybe I smarten up

[bright swift]

it does if you play prosperity

[thorn whale]

Healing doesn’t stop people from getting oneshot

[bright swift]

what does RH have to do with oneshots

[thorn whale]

Exactly 0

You’re right

[pine coyote]

idk i felt that flat dmg reduction of bark was good enough for my key levels and i didnt have much use for the passive healing from other rejuvs

12 secs was already long enough

[thorn whale]

Idk RH just helped me a ton in continuous high dmg checks

[pine coyote]

do ppl care more about 4s increase to duration or bonus healing from other rejuvs?

[thorn whale]

Like paladins last season

Idk how the slammers in Academy feels to heal

[midnight robin]

Standard efflo and tranq cd too long

[pine coyote]

my +16 run was fine on the last pack i didnt even remember using bark on ppl

but yeah +16 is prolly too easy for pros

[bright swift]

are we just posting randoml talent builds now

[thorn whale]

I’m probably also talking 20’s @pine coyote

[limpid jacinth]

yes

[fallow wind]

The hell is that

[pine coyote]

yeah yeah im 3.4k 💀

[rigid mirage]

What is good to pickup in place of nb

[thorn whale]

Higher than me rn

[rigid mirage]

I feel like it's ass

[thorn whale]

I haven’t pushed at all

[pine coyote]

its really fun healing this season im loving it so far

go spend some time im sure youll have fun times

[thorn whale]

I’m sending it this weekend.

A 3,7 team asked if I wanna push so I gotta get up to speed again

[midnight robin]

No, legitimate. Apex will full heal people in Efflo. I haven’t found a use for Tranq because if you need it once on a boss, you’ll need it again on that same boss which won’t happen

[bright swift]

You picked Regenesis

[pine coyote]

can i add you so that maybe we can have some discussions related to talent builds later when you try?

[midnight robin]

So this build maximises healing outside CDs and doesn’t use Lifethreading

[midnight robin]

Yes, if I don’t want Lifethreading Or Tranq the only other option is Unstoppable Growth which you can’t path to

[bright swift]

why the fuck would you not want tranq man

and why do you not want lifethreading

[midnight robin]

Because the 3 minute CD means it’s not very useful in my experience. The damage event that Tranq covers once every 3 minutes I will have to cover twice in between

[haughty ibex]

u are too smart for us lowkey

[midnight robin]

Lifethreading is a matter of principle. It’s a terrible design

[bright swift]

i'm getting ragebaited

[haughty ibex]

no u are onto something

[midnight robin]

It’s not rage bait

[thorn whale]

You’re just stupid

[midnight robin]

If a boss does heavy dmg every 30 seconds, what good is Tranq?

[haughty ibex]

uhm

[bright swift]

haha guys in this 1 very specific scenario, tranq is actually bad

[ember mountain]

Spell that does infinity healing on the whole group is not very useful 💀

[bright swift]

checkmate

[harsh quail]

so you also are going to specc out of convoke?

[midnight robin]

No, 1 minute CDs line up well with a lot of things

[boreal karma]

Yes

This guy is trolling

[haughty ibex]

ur right cuz 3 mins cds are acc awkward

asks shamans

i think u are genuinely insanely smart

[boreal karma]

guess some people never heared about rotating cds

[midnight robin]

I think if you’re doing the very highest keys Tranq is probably strong because you can use it to cover a hole in the group’s overall cooldowns

[haughty ibex]

so if u aren’t doing 20s there same principle doesn’t apply?

[boreal karma]

How is it strong for highest Keys and not for the average Player now You’re Not making any Sense anymor

[haughty ibex]

what changes in the cds management

[spark river]

he never made any sense

[west topaz]

sometimes i let them drop to 30% so i can tranq just to feel something in keys

[spark river]

these discussions are clinically insane

[west topaz]

thank you

[midnight robin]

I think there’s a big difference between strong for best player and strong for average player/pug yes

[boreal karma]

Some people should have no Talking rights in this Discord

[harsh quail]

thats the moment you get a dmg zone under you as a karmic response

[bright swift]

every m+ player

[dense oasis]

several people are typing

[west topaz]

karma is not real because it has allowed me to play like im shitposting

[spark river]

you re literally also an m+ player now

[boreal karma]

Saying a oh Shit Button isn’t good for the average Player

[bright swift]

am I

[haughty ibex]

i mean u didn’t really answer, im curious about ur pov. what’s the difference in between a 12 and a 20 in cd management

[boreal karma]

[haughty ibex]

in a 12 u prob have even more use of tranq as a oh fuck cd

[bright swift]

I've done a crazy amount of keys guys

i'm definitely a m+ player

[spark river]

thats more than most here btw

[boreal karma]

Exactly especially as an inexperienced player

But this guy thinks hes reinventing the wheel

[midnight robin]

Look, if you’re not at title level then the people you play with will make mistakes (as will you), and not everything will be perfectly coordinated or planned beforehand.

So if you’re in an imperfect situation, you want a setup that makes it easier to manage that

[west topaz]

in a 12, using tranq at all gives you compliments at the end of the key from the traumatized dps

[boreal karma]

But sadly hes just dumb and probably sharing bad advice to people reading this with less experience and knowledge

[spark river]

just play doc, ignore the dps and then tranq when they re going to die

[haughty ibex]

so isn’t tranquility smth that makes easier to manage mistakes?

im confused about wat ur saying

[boreal karma]

Hes just typing for the sake of saying stuff

[ember mountain]

Yeaah like having a get out of jail free button every 3 min maybe

[haughty ibex]

i want to get into his mind 😕😕😕

[midnight robin]

No, Tranq is something you decide when to use, not a panic button press (in my opinion)

[boreal karma]

He is denying his own words 3 sentences later

[haughty ibex]

can u genuenly show us a log of u playing anything above a idk 16 without tranq

[boreal karma]

[haughty ibex]

cuz i find lots of uses in it but maybe u are onto smth

and we have it all wrong

[haughty ibex]

STOPSHAHAHA

[spark river]

the messiah

[haughty ibex]

this was so appropriate

[boreal karma]

Hes the Jesus we needed reinvent the Wheel for us please enlighten me

Be the light in my dark

[spark river]

alright but hes the goat

[boreal karma]

Guide me into the right path

[spark river]

look at how easily he baited

the whole chat

[haughty ibex]

stopp he’s not ragebaiting

[meager pasture]

So we drop tranq in m+?

[boreal karma]

The thing is it’s not baiting and Nobody really cares probably but he’s spreading misinformation

[haughty ibex]

yeah

[midnight robin]

I think it’s unfair for someone to say I’m sharing bad advice when the point was a discussion about builds and trying to figure out what works and what doesn’t.

I’m not telling anyone to use what I use in their push keys, but you could try it in a key you feel safe in and see how it feels

[boreal karma]

And people with less experience fall for this bait and play horrible Talent choices

[spark river]

so are the rest of people

thats 90% involving m+

[slow pasture]

I'm so proud of you

[tardy narwhal]

Hey all, i started playing Druid again yesterday. At the moment im doing +13s and it is fine.
But i am not sure if i should take Verdant or Prosperity.
I really like the two charges for swiftment but it looks like Verdant is more used.
Can someone give me a quick rundown or link a source for the up and downsides for these two Talents?

[boreal karma]

But You haven’t Said anything usefull yet

[west topaz]

i mean have you guys not seen some of these other rdruids in baby keys, they dont tranq at all

fken oof

[boreal karma]

You Said it’s Bad and 3 sentences later it’s actually good for the highest Keys

[haughty ibex]

no i understand that, i asked to see a log of any key cuz i really am curious to see about how u manage certain fights:D

[thorn whale]

It’s true I can run 12s without pressing tranq

[boreal karma]

Make it make sense

[haughty ibex]

pleaseeeee

[boreal karma]

[spark river]

You can run a 15 without pressing a tranq

[haughty ibex]

u can run 12s without pressing anything

[west topaz]

yea 12s arent really hard enough to super need tranq

[boreal karma]

I can run a 15 without Boots Equipped

You should try it

[haughty ibex]

i said 16+ but is idk

[boreal karma]

It’s actually not bad

[west topaz]

new meta

[spark river]

Im not advocating for it

[haughty ibex]

like idk what’s a decent enough keylvl

[slow pasture]

I can run naked.

[boreal karma]

Ik

[spark river]

But that isnt wrong

[meager pasture]

You can run a 12 without pressing ironbark let's drop it too

[thorn whale]

Yeah fk it

[boreal karma]

I can do +15 without Pressing wild growth once

[thorn whale]

I don’t even have to press wild growth

[west topaz]

lmaoo

[boreal karma]

True we are besties holy shit

[spark river]

Im going to push with doc after buffs

[thorn whale]

Monk rerollers unite?

[spark river]

Watch it do top hps

[west topaz]

run entire key with 0 lifebloom/efflo

[midnight robin]

All this shit about unequipping gear is arguing in bad faith and missing the point entirely

[spark river]

Can we get to the point

actually

[boreal karma]

Actually for the highest Keys I could see a use for lifebloom and efflo

[haughty ibex]

what keylvls did u run without tranq

[grizzled seal]

Tauren hack. I do this in every key

[haughty ibex]

yeah but only title range

[boreal karma]

But in very nieche Situations

And You Need to Plan aroun it

[thorn whale]

Guys it’s hard to work when all this great knowledge is being dropped

I need to follow

[west topaz]

anyway tranq isnt quite same as hpals saving bubble for clutch heals (as theyre expected to and not just using it for emergency)

cant move

[boreal karma]

So tldr is I can heal +15 without Boots so I drop them and Equip them later cause they have a use for the highest Keys

Cheers

[oak garnet]

It will lol, esp if you have coordinated group and blast during call of the elder druid!

[midnight robin]

Only 14 atm, sorry (I’ll get a lot of shit for this lol).

But the point wasn’t to tell anyone what to do. The point was to share a build that probably hadn’t been tried by a lot of people - just like the latinacoblast build was also discovered

[boreal karma]

I don’t wanna be that guy

[midnight robin]

Then don’t

[thorn whale]

Dear Darkwing Duck
Do you see the irony in the point you’re trying to make

[boreal karma]

But You’re not the guy to cook builds

[slow pasture]

Latinacoblast was good in high key too

[spark river]

He cooks builds

[west topaz]

i just like pressing tranq cause it sounds like im doing something

[spark river]

His builds are just burnt

Too long in the oven

[slow pasture]

The only trash cook admitted here are Mattiu's one

[thorn whale]

Just because you’re able to heal a certain key level without pressing spells that are mandatory at a higher key level, does not make said spell useless, it just means you’re not pushing high enough

Alternatively, you could market your build as “hey I took away tranq for piss keys, because I want dmg nodes for fun!”

[slow pasture]

and tbh, it's good to push tranq in low key if it enable to be more aggresive.

[oak garnet]

I am of the opinion for lower to mid keys prosperity is a clear winner. For high keys/pushing where you have much more consistent tank pressure VI is better. Tank has 4+ hots and very often lifebloom so you're extending everything getting really good value from vi/saving a lot of globals to rg more etc

[west topaz]

yes, but it means you have to find friends who are willing to even joke around with you above 15 and thats basically where all the employed people drop off

[spark river]

its not even damage nodes

its regenesis

[meager pasture]

Let's see it another way, do you need regenesis to heal through your 14?

[thorn whale]

I just said words

That would somehow make sense

[haughty ibex]

i feel like the higher u go the more pressure is on healing dps other than tank, 90% of the time a monk should survive by himself

[polar lichen]

is regenesis a real word?

[oak garnet]

Tanks will flop in a 20 if you don't heal them

[meager pasture]

It's talent he took instead of tranq

[limpid jacinth]

Google

[west topaz]

they make us run for this week's affix orbs, the very audacity of these dps

[slow pasture]

it's call regenesis because each time we prove it's bad, it regen itself and come back in awfull build

[polar lichen]

that's not a real word for sure

[midnight robin]

I mean, presented arguments why I think you could drop Tranq (mainly due to how M+ works compared to raids), but maybe someone who does title keys can present an example of a situation you cannot solve without Tranq

[west topaz]

healer adjust week

[thorn whale]

Alright paladins last tier

[slow pasture]

Well, try to do High key Seat without Tranq.

[midnight robin]

The point isn’t Regenesis. Regenesis is just the only option if you’re not picking Tranq and Lifethreading

[boreal karma]

Worst part is most people don’t Look into %gain out of Talents and just pick whatever Sounds good

[west topaz]

when the guild run is also a flirty polycule

youre gonna need tranq

[spark river]

but regenesis is such a cool word

[ember mountain]

Can you present a situation you cannot solve without two points in regenesis

[spark river]

almost as cool as cultivation

[boreal karma]

But it you legit just have horrible choices why wouldnt you pick tranq

[west topaz]

why is resto chat actually good rn

[boreal karma]

Can you pls elaborate this

[oak garnet]

Morning larks

[thorn whale]

Fk it going back to work

[spark river]

dank

[thorn whale]

Gl with Donald Duck

[surreal hazel]

Is resto range dps viable now after reset?

[thorn whale]

Or whoever that is

[oak garnet]

I'm off today 🙂

[slow pasture]

stay

[limpid jacinth]

Do NOT besmirch darkwing duck

https://tenor.com/view/lets-get-dangerous-duck-tales-gif-14764554

[boreal karma]

I dont wanna pick tranq and rather pick a shit talent just for the sake of not having a 3 min cd cause I think a 3min cd is not good in a m+ setting

[midnight robin]

Again, Regenesis is just the option available instead - it’s not because I necessarily believe it to be an incredibly strong talent

[west topaz]

i needed tranq for when people wanted to do the stupid fucking aura achievement

[slow pasture]

Then why pick regenesis if it’s worse than tranq ?

[haughty ibex]

idk i found rly hard healing crawth without tranq for example when the boss fight lasted almost 4mins

[ember mountain]

Ok but you removed probably the strongest single talent point investment in the entire tree and trying to argue something

[haughty ibex]

or triple boss seat, without tranq is a bit monkas

acc seat in general without tranq

[limpid jacinth]

yeah that’s not accurate

[spark river]

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-charlie-conspiracy-pepe-pepe-sylvia-gif-22483518

[ember mountain]

Maybe exaggerating sure but still

[spark river]

This is how I see mr duck

[grizzled seal]

People who don't like tranq in keys never used it in keys

[boreal karma]

I dont wanna pick tranq and rather pick a shit talent just for the sake of not having a 3 min cd cause I think a 3min cd is not good in a m+ setting

[grizzled seal]

It full heals the entire group in 4 seconds

[boreal karma]

Quickly responsed for him

[oak garnet]

I scrolled up, there were some hot takes

[grizzled seal]

What are even the arguments

Stop the shit posting

[oak garnet]

There's none 😂

[grizzled seal]

Not picking tranq is literally only done by morons

[spark river]

there arent any valid arguments

[boreal karma]

There is no argument

[spark river]

its just a stupid circlejerk

how he wanted to pick something else

[boreal karma]

Just that tranq is a nieche button I guess

[grizzled seal]

Ah yes

[boreal karma]

Can’t press it in cooldown

[west topaz]

if he doesnt believe in tranq doesnt that make it a nietzsche button

[grizzled seal]

Kinda like other niche buttons that dpsers use: ascendance, incarn and so on

[west topaz]

🥁

[boreal karma]

Actually pressing tranq on cooldown would probably be a lot more value then regenis

[hard loom]

Someone tag me when the new raid build without refo gets posted XD (also assuming were still maxing SM casts regardless of no refo for the emp rejuvs obviously) and the new raid build still gonna be ToL or convoke..

[midnight robin]

I think Crawth is a good example of a boss where Efflo (and thus Apex talents) is less useful and that makes Tranq more valuable. Thanks

[boreal karma]

Holy shit

[grizzled seal]

Efflo and thus apex talents

Does that even make sense

What's the relationship

[spark river]

random word generator lol

[haughty ibex]

are u ai

type 1 if u aren’t ai

[midnight robin]

… Verdancy?

[boreal karma]

[bright swift]

how is efflo less useful there

stand in it?

[boreal karma]

No ai in 2026 would fall for this

[west topaz]

i miss my chiikawa weakaura for my abundance

[boreal karma]

But you have to spread whenever the aoe happens

[midnight robin]

Well, I’m happy that at least one person here was open to considering the idea

[oak garnet]

Maybe vrocas is right maybe m+ players really are second class citizens. Mr duck is not making a strong case

[vocal hamlet]

hey guys, just wondering if anyone has an addon that can alert when you're at 12 stacks of abundance?

[spark river]

Put it on cdm and look at it

Pretty much

[west topaz]

you can make your abundance tracker big

[boreal karma]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[vocal hamlet]

yeh, i was hoping for a sound, sometimes my eyes dont see anything except health bars

[limpid jacinth]

Dreamgrove so sassy today

[spark river]

today is so random

[west topaz]

thats why i put my abundance tracker like right next to the raidframes

[oak garnet]

I color an arcui bar it's grey under 8 stacks green 8-11 purple 12+. Pretty easy to setup

[west topaz]

where the WA used to go

yea the bar idea also works

[boreal karma]

I swear you can create a weakaura that does it

[west topaz]

with meekaura sure

[boreal karma]

Even with the restrictions they made

[west topaz]

but i cba

[boreal karma]

Just import a old one

Surely it will work

[slow pasture]

Or arcui

[boreal karma]

[west topaz]

dancing bikini ysera when we have 12 abundance

[broken socket]

Can you share that, please?

[grizzled seal]

We need one more year until new add-ons approach the state WAs were at

I am actually tilting every time I swap between convoke and tree cuz arcui fucks up cd positions

[boreal karma]

Holy take my money

[west topaz]

i used to have dancing bikini sindragosa for frost dk Breath lmaoooo

[boreal karma]

[west topaz]

and everytime i horsed i put initial D speedlines on the edges

the real use of WA is to make your life an anime

[polar lichen]

that's great

[bright swift]

I don't have that..

[oak garnet]

Not at a computer rn but if arcui has export function, sure

[boreal karma]

I started using aije with cdm cause arcui fucked around too much

[oak garnet]

Legit question for m+, if I ran this w proposed changes next week woild dropping abundance for 2 tv or ND be completely trolling

[sinful ferry]

Hi all, I wanted toknow what people thought about this Apex talent change in 12.0.5? To me it seems like a Nerf in M+, but I don't hear people saying that. Am I missing something? I suck at math.

[oak garnet]

People who are good at math say it's a buff

[boreal karma]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/121880955379122176/1493939651675820122/image.png?ex=69e2c579&is=69e173f9&hm=ebec9975265c6eccb12e6c4c53e3df1927f6705d95a7457b3cc8779ba37700bb&

[sinful ferry]

Oh ty(and I suck at numbers), I can see that its overall more healing. But it seems like a small nerf to the singlet target.

[grizzled seal]

No it's not

It's a buff to single target healing too

[boreal karma]

The lb healing itself was more chip healing but that is technically gone

[grizzled seal]

This only counts apex procs

[sinful ferry]

Which is what I mostly love about it, its a good spot heal. I guess this won't change alot I hope

[grizzled seal]

Every photo proc makes new apex better for single target

[boreal karma]

It’s better

[grizzled seal]

If you extend the time frame to even 4 seconds then new apex beats old apex on every metric

[sinful ferry]

Right overall, player 1 takes less healing and so wont get spot healed as well.

[boreal karma]

That’s just from one swiftmend

[grizzled seal]

Huh

[boreal karma]

No photo procs

[sinful ferry]

I guess I'll only know how it feels in practice, but seems like this will be close with other advantages. Thanks for sharing that chart!

[grizzled seal]

This new apex is so overpowered it will either get nerfed by a lot or we will receive aura nerfs

[boreal karma]

Ever photo proc double dips basically on the lb target

[west topaz]

g o o d

[spark river]

What if we just let everyone go around saying its a nerf so we dont actually get nerfed later on

5head

[west topaz]

y e s

[boreal karma]

Yes

But numbers won’t lie

[grizzled seal]

This is not a question of whether it's better or not. The question is how much better it is and how many nerfs it will receive after release

[boreal karma]

We will have 1 good week

Push as much as you guys can

Get the 3400 saddle

[boreal karma]

I don’t think it will be broken for raid so I believe they will adjust only the apex so it’s worse in m+

I’m a believer

[grizzled seal]

It will be

Well, "broken"

It won't make druid #1 on hps stats

[west topaz]

looking forward to even more nothing to heal because the rsham is busting a dam, the hpriest is flirting on discord, the mw monk is yawning and being on their phone

[boreal karma]

That’s all they tune around

Remember how long mw was broken for fyrakk

[grizzled seal]

Ye they are stupid as fuck

[boreal karma]

[grizzled seal]

Overall hps metrics that weigh vorasius the same as Lura

[boreal karma]

That’s how we tune

[hybrid elk]

Help me 🙂 I have a crafted mythic stafff and now i got a staff in chest. My gut is telling me go for Gaze lol but the chest is also very good and so is feather

[boreal karma]

I miss mw on fyrakk

Good old times

When colour was still alive

[oak garnet]

I would probably take my myth chest or weap. Soon you'll just coin heroic chim and get hero trinket easily

If you're a mythic raider may be different

[hybrid elk]

even if i already crafted a mtyhic weapon?

[balmy spire]

mythic weap is 289

[oak garnet]

You can sim the 2 dif scenarios. Myth weap is 20 more int and you run arcanoweave x2. Versus a myth tier chest

[balmy spire]

crafted 285

[sudden rover]

gaze easy choice

[hybrid elk]

so for 4 ilvl its better lol

this is so confusing HAHA

maybe i should og kill dreamrift on normal and HC before picking gaze lol

[west topaz]

the feather is shit

gaze far outstrips it

yea if you wanna leave it in your vault and go kill some bosses today, then do it

[oblique topaz]

Wait a week and it can be Ascendant Crafted at 298, thanks Decimus

[oak garnet]

Chest is our off piece. You have a myth track haste mastery one you literally wouldn't replace rest of the tier. If you coin chimaerus heroic youd have that trinket in a week or two likely

[marsh elk]

Does the ascendand upgrade on crafted items go to the same ilvl as the non crafted ? Or still 3 ilvl lower ?

[wise galleon]

When lifebloom blooms because we used swiftmend, for how many seconds it blooms? I was wondering if pressing swiftmend to bloom and then using swiftmend again overwrites the blooming effect and would make using two swiftmend in quick succession bad

[balmy spire]

3 lower afaik

[oblique topaz]

On PTR it was 298 for both, don't know if that'll hold true on launch

[nova umbra]

hey guys, sorry to bother im kinda new to druid heal, I got this mythic one hand and this hero off-hand, do I still need to craft the staff 285 ?

[polar lichen]

blooming is a one-time instant heal

[half timber]

How long did it take for yall to get a heart of wind...it literally doesnt wanna drop for me smh

[hybrid elk]

all sims are telling me to get the chest or Gaze 🙂

[polar lichen]

friend traded it to me last week

[hybrid elk]

Gonna kill both dreamrift first then choose 😛

[polar lichen]

I'm sure starting next week I'll be whining about it not dropping from bonus rolls

[spark river]

Using both rolls on nexus point

all or nothing

[bright swift]

i really don't wanna do that

1/6M is piss

[grizzled seal]

Next week is prolly chimaerus for me

Unless I get either alleria or chimaerus trinkets in vault

[limpid jacinth]

yeah, I’m thinking Chim too

[shrewd spire]

The changees comming to resto druid apex talent in 12.0.5 ->
It says "The final bloom", does this mean that the aoe effect from the bloom, is only for the expirering bloom, or does it still do aoe blooming on soul of the forest consume as an example, and we should just ignore the text "Final" ?

[polar lichen]

sotf and photosynthesis count

[bright swift]

1/4, rest is dogshit

I might do Dragons

Vaelgor/Tier gloves

[wise galleon]

What do you think will be puggable for mythic raiding and what unpuggable?

[spark river]

Averzian, vorasius and dreamrift are puggable

Probably fallen king also with a good group

[wise galleon]

Even next week? Is it that hard to do at least drakes?

[spark river]

Drakes are not puggable imo

[wise galleon]

Ill have to aim for WS trinket then, or hero drakes I guess

hero cosmos

🙁

[spark river]

myth gaze and myth how is a very strong combo

[shrewd spire]

Thanks!

[grizzled seal]

I have both of those

[bright swift]

I don't

[grizzled seal]

I don't even know if myth gaze is such a big upgrade over my heroic ribbon tbh

Maybe I just sit on coins

If you commit to coining a boss you kind of have to go all the way

And I don't want to do that on chimaerus

[polar lichen]

can you send them all in one week if you save up?

[grizzled seal]

Might be nexus point coin angle after all

[grizzled seal]

You can't rekill mythic bosses so

[bright swift]

I don't have heroic ribbon either

[clear oracle]

Not on myth bosses

Hc probably not either

M+ for sure

But why would you save for M+

[polar lichen]

yeah I meant myth

[grizzled seal]

I don't think getting vault items from a source removes those items from coin consideration btw

[polar lichen]

don't think I've ever touched a bonus roll button while it was current content

[grizzled seal]

If you got some chimaerus item from vault I'm pretty sure you can still coin it

At least that's how I read it

[polar lichen]

same

[clear oracle]

Back then you could bonus roll bosses you had ID on in HC and Normal

[bright swift]

It should show on the bonus roll UI what you can get

[clear oracle]

But it wasnt like you could roll 5 times if you had 5 bonus rolls

1 roll per kill

[polar lichen]

right

not much point in saving a lot I guess

unless I'm planning on just being lucky and getting all my picks first try from multiple bosses

[clear oracle]

Does anybody know if the upgrade items for weapons and trinkets are capped btw? Or can I get unlimited?

[polar lichen]

(ill probably not spend any outside of m+ either way)

[clear oracle]

Chimaerus will be my only spender for the foreseeable future

[polar lichen]

the wording seems similar to catalyst charges, but I'm also curious

[clear oracle]

Maybe Dragons at some point

[polar lichen]

am I gonna have to think really hard about my favorite spec

[clear oracle]

But dragons is not so good in M+ so fuck that

[grizzled seal]

The fuck are coining dragons for

Moonkin offspec?

I'm only coining alleria, lura and nexus point ideally

The only reason I'll coin chimaerus is cuz we aren't reclearing next week

[clear oracle]

I think Vaelgor is pretty damn strong in raid. Not so much in M+ though

[soft dagger]

5%nerf to overall healing inc one week after 12.0.5

[clear oracle]

But I mainly play moonkin in raid so that is the main reason. And it is a shitty raid anyways so ...

By the time I get to coin Lura the season is close to over anyways 😄

[clear oracle]

For weapon and ring or what for?

The nxp

[grizzled seal]

Ring and chest

[spare sand]

And chest

[oak garnet]

If you clear mythic alleria I feel like that would be obvious choice

Alas, I don't

[primal jungle]

GERASIMOV !

[oak garnet]

Sooner you get top tier trinkets and weap the better bc of voidforge token

[scenic pilot]

Is there a cap to the total number of coins you can have at once, other than 2 per week?

[grizzled seal]

No idea, maybe somebody else knows

[restive kettle]

Is there an obvious best dungeon to try and use tokens on from a resto perspective?

[bright swift]

Nexus point is really good

[restive kettle]

That's definitely one I was looking at most of the items are well statted plus I do a bit of dps so wouldn't mind the ring combo

Is there any resource which is effectively a m+ bis list for us? Im never going to be getting myth gear from raids.

[oak garnet]

Better to run bifurcation as 2nd

[oak garnet]

QE live with simc import and upgrade finder would be what you're looking for

[storm elm]

Finally

[boreal karma]

Why is there anything besides ring?

[bright swift]

bis weapon, bis chest

[soft dagger]

Bis chest

[boreal karma]

[soft dagger]

I got the bis chest myth track 1st vault week. That was some upgrade from the veteran chest

[queen hare]

is there a way to disable timewarp debuff on danders frame :c

[bright swift]

don't track all hots

oh debuff

uh

does it go away in combat?

[gaunt willow]

In the debuffs tab you can filter stuff like that out

[queen hare]

noo it stays there so annoying

[queen hare]

checking thank youu

[bright swift]

you have the wrong filter yeah

[unique sedge]

Does Verdancy count for Everbloom?

[oak garnet]

on meter?

[thorn whale]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-memes-meme-loading-gif-11112458141014207448

[unique sedge]

No, in healing

Idc about meter

Do they count as part of the final bloom?

[oak garnet]

each bloom will proc verdancy yeah

[cursive pagoda]

what hots are most important to track

[thorn whale]

Germination

Lifebloom

Regrowth

That’s all

[cursive pagoda]

ok ty

[spark river]

Doesnt track wg

Gigachad

[cursive pagoda]

ok so i set it up like this

top green is rejuv, purple is germ which shows on top of it

and then lifebloom is to the right

i literally just started playing resto today so i dont understand the class yet

but im trying to set this stuff up

[cursive pagoda]

should i also track that?

[vocal musk]

Hi guys, does the upcoming modification of the bloom/apex mean that we will have to let it bloom entirely and then put a new one ?

[spark river]

I track reju, germ, regrowth, wild growth, lifebloom

[cursive pagoda]

doesnt regrowth only last 6 seconds though?

[vocal musk]

9

[cursive pagoda]

oh i assume theres a talent for that then?

to put in perspective how new i am to the spec lol

[vale ginkgo]

It blooms when refreshed during the pandemic window - last 30% of its duration. So under 4.5 seconds

[spark river]

Well its stupid to talk about it until you get access to all of the talents

[grizzled seal]

You need to know regrowth hot for nature's bounty and swiftmend

[cursive pagoda]

do you want to extend it with swiftmend

[cursive pagoda]

setting up ui things

[grizzled seal]

You want to know if you can swiftmend at all

[thorn whale]

If you play prosperity you also would rather consume regrowth than rejuv if you have the choice between two players

[grizzled seal]

Yeah that too

[cursive pagoda]

ahh i see

[grizzled seal]

Same reason for wg hot too

[thorn whale]

Yup

Elsewise WG would be useless to track

[cursive pagoda]

ok there we go lol

it looks weird but it works perfect

[vocal musk]

Thanks

Is it like a good up this modification ?

[tribal sorrel]

so far after healing 2 keys i feel like when things go well things go really well but when things go badly they go bad real fast. Also spinning all the plates gets harder as time goes on i feel

[stiff rose]

I want other resto druid opinion : the west wing of nexus point

it's a HELL to heal that part right ?

[waxen ingot]

its good for mastery value no?

in raid for target selection

[stiff rose]

I think it's the worst place for me everytime, I try to keep my big CD for thooses moments, but everytime there is at least one dead, or event a wipe

[waxen ingot]

I will be honest

Only thing that feels remotly hard to heal

is 2nd boss skyreach

and thats if im really trying hard to find something difficult

[stiff rose]

The golem with the lights ?

[waxen ingot]

other than that, everything is very easy this season sadly

[soft dagger]

It's not if dps know how to get out of their circle and tank know their limit.

[waxen ingot]

no preplaning needed for anything almost ngl

[stiff rose]

Last time, DPS tend not to move with their circle, which was good

[waxen ingot]

and in tww i had cooldowns memorized for every dungeon

and this season u just go into a key and press buttons

[stiff rose]

but maybe the tank tend to pack too near from the electric things

AND maybe too many packs at a time

[soft dagger]

You can use any ability that remove snare/root to get off the circle debuff like druid you just shapeshift. Paladin can freedom

[waxen ingot]

blame yoursself if you want to improve

blame tank and dps if you wanna chill lax

[tribal sorrel]

is that the ethereal part or the void part i'm directionally challenged

[stiff rose]

the etheral I think, the way with the boss with the big lasers you have to cut when you have the blue buff

I hate the road to this boss ^^

[stiff rose]

I'll just blame everyone including me, just in case :p

[stiff rose]

I haven't play during TWW, for this season I felt generally free on most on my mythics but there is this nexus point that annoy me

[tribal sorrel]

i feel like that one isn't so bad if all plates are spinning

pretext is they kill mana bombs

if a mana bomb explodes i probably can't save them

[tidal lynx]

With max abundance is regrowth close to holy light

[stiff rose]

It was not about One shots (or kinda like), more about "shit there is just too much damage to manage in such short time"

[tribal sorrel]

if it gets that bad I just convoke

[boreal karma]

What

[hard bear]

No?

[thorn whale]

You’re just not really making healing decisions based on mastery stacks (from WG), more on health but yeah there are some cases where you can prioritize who you heal

[vocal musk]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1rhzAJGHW4RpCj38?fight=last&type=healing&source=4
Skyreach 12, what do you think about my healing sources ?

[tribal sorrel]

how do ya'll find time to dps if i also gotta spin all these plates

[vocal musk]

Talking to me ?

[fierce isle]

If everyone is low after raid wide damage and I’m at high abundance stacks I will definitely try to regrowth players with rejuv and wg stacks to amp mastery for bigger bounty healing.

[tribal sorrel]

no just ingeneral

[fierce isle]

There are definitely times when there are lulls in healing required in dungeons. The more you get familiar with the dungeons the more readily you’ll identify those times

[vocal musk]

I feel like when you kinda know the moments there is damage spike you can set up and then DPS. Or DPS when there's nothing much to heal.
But most of the time I "gamble" and hope my hot will be enough.

[spark river]

Wg in raid doesnt really affect my decision making that much in raid, but I still love seeing all my hots on raid frames

[untold perch]

I love watching Ragnon and how he goes through and explains his every step in keys. He is constantly switching to DPS and it's fun to watch!

[fierce isle]

A fun trick I like is to pre hot then cast swiftmend and hold onto the soft proc while I DPS then when damage lands I can cast a rejuv or regrowth for fast 3 target healing + apex proc and go back to DPS.

[sour rivet]

Doing a log review how do you track abundance stacks throughout an encounter ?

[pulsar hill]

Aight so, can someon explain what our new apex is next week?

[tribal sorrel]

it's bigger better stronger

well it hits more people

[untold perch]

I have it setup in my UI so I can see it at all times

[spark river]

buffs

and scroll down to abundance

[tribal sorrel]

Magnificent Contributions, my acolytes! Revel in this divinely abundant boon!

[sly pivot]

if my shit says 5/5 voidcores transmuted am I good to go next week?

[grizzled seal]

Yes

[spark river]

yes

[tribal sorrel]

yep

[grizzled seal]

You will need to do 3 m+ or 3 bosses next week

Then you get it unlocked as everyone else

[pulsar hill]

More people but for less I imagine? Atm I kinda like it's single pump feature in keys, is that going away?

[tribal sorrel]

i think it's more actually

[thorn plover]

Someone was asking for a spreadsheet earlier breaking down mana cost because they didn't understand how more regrowth, even at low abundance stacks, saved you mana.
Here you go 🙂

[tribal sorrel]

if it's less it's not by much

[spark river]

well i cant really regrowth on 1 tv next week that much

[grizzled seal]

Then spec into 2 tv

[spark river]

Idk what to drop

[thorn plover]

drop germ

🧌

[spark river]

2 min convoke and 2 tv sounds cursed

but its the only thing i could justify dropping

[gaunt willow]

Good changes on the Apex but they definitely need to take another look at the resto spec tree. So hard with all the competing talents and then some absolute nonsense lower down the tree

[main timber]

The nonsense sure, but the closely competing talents is a huge win no?

[tough portal]

The goal of the talent tree is to have competitive talents that are valid choices lol

[spark river]

having competing talents is definitely a huge win

having only one viable talent build is pure boredom

[gaunt willow]

Fair just find the tree very frustrating right now for raid talents

For M+ it feels easier

[main timber]

Also you are complaining about both sides of the coin. Is it a problem for talents to be close? Or for them to be miles apart?

[gaunt willow]

I want ND, 2/2 TV, embrace etc

[urban kestrel]

I'm honestly still not super sold on everbloom on every fight, but I think it's nice that it'll at least be close where lifebloom is good anyways

[tough portal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/muppetwiki-muppets-kermit-the-frog-xdLH51eNWZAHrwy5mf

[thorn whale]

I understand what you’re saying, but realistically you use more brainpower than you gain HPS

But for sure if you are able to play 100% correct, you would target the relatively lowest hp people with the most mastery stacks every time

[tough portal]

So why is the nonsense at the bottom an issue if you just want to lock in 10 talents without a thought on potential sidegrades?

[grizzled seal]

People yearn for meta specs

I kinda enjoy being able to play like 10 different "specs" rn

Just vibe and have fun

[calm dirge]

I know this is probably for very specific situations, but in Archon why do the high m+'ers go for Harmonious Blooming and 2x on Thriving Vegetation?
Is it for the extra spot healing, or is there another reason behind it?

[drowsy solar]

Does shifting on druid free you from the gargoyles in Pit?

[versed stone]

ye

[drowsy solar]

Fade doesn't, that's unfair lol.

So it's coded as a root? Weird

[versed stone]

fade removes snares though, it's a root I think

[haughty ibex]

i mean hb is good option for st healing of ur lb target, i think at least around 6% more

its also just preference/dungeon etc

[versed stone]

hb is decent in high keys if you swap lb a lot, which you kinda should

[haughty ibex]

some people play hb others nd, others just 1x tv

[oak garnet]

anything below 16s you barely need to swap LB your rejuv wg and a few regrowths will heal thru anything

plus u have convoke

but agree once ur like "pushing" LB swap is prob required to save dps at times

[vocal musk]

With the upcoming up of the balance DPS spells do you think it will be viable ?

[mental belfry]

It already is viable

[tough portal]

Doesnt it say ginormous on your screen "Rooted"?

[fierce isle]

It’s really not more brainpower. Regrowth damaged targets with more hots rather than targets with no hots.

[tough portal]

Yes mate, weird

[spark river]

yeah but is it really a root if he carries you up in the air

[tough portal]

Is it really a root is the earth spins on its own axis and you're technically moving from the perspective of an outside observer in outer space?

Food for thought

[plain steeple]

Everything is rotating around the planet of Azeroth.
It’s the Center of the WoW universe.

[spark river]

my one brain cell is already at full capacity

[thorn whale]

Ofc it is

[distant birch]

is it really a root if ur not even a plant

[plain steeple]

Ask Galileo Galilork. The guy with the telescope in orgrimmar.

[fierce isle]

You think casting regrowth on frames with a couple squares in the bottom right corner instead of frames with no squares is taxing? :p

[radiant musk]

hi, is there a place where you can get a ready-to-import mrt reminders for hc encounters? voidspide and mdq ?

for a healer ofc

[tough portal]

Yes

[spark river]

lorrgs should have those

[fierce isle]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[tough portal]

I mean that's what donby said to you 3 times you're just rewording the question to try and mock the idea

Nobody's claiming it's impossibly hard mate

Just pointless mental load

[drowsy solar]

I don't recall seeing that but I'll have to pay attention next time I get it. Maybe I have a setting weird

[proven phoenix]

if you simply anything in this game it sounds insanely easy

"dodge circles on the floor" "click on boxes on your screen that are filled less than other boxes on the screen"

when you are doing any raid fight where you have to pay attention to positioning, dispels etc having the cognitive load to also make sure to prioritise mastery stacks isnt easy

it took me a lot of getting used to in undermine esp when wildwood roots was the meta

[knotty goblet]

Would this be the go-to owlweave loadout to try with upcoming changes?

[oak garnet]

negative

[urban kestrel]

take starsurge and wrath damage, drop phys dmg bonus on left side

[slow pasture]

You still play WS

[spark river]

0 tv is certainly a choice

[slow pasture]

0 TV with NB yeah

[simple hill]

Could someone share the right talent tree for the upcoming changes?

[oak garnet]

if youre just trying to blast 10s as fast as possible uc an go kotg

[tough portal]

If you're just trying to blast 10s with a meme damage spec you probably play entirely different talents
But for a real situation you should just only swap the physical damage to magic damage options and you should have 1 or 2 points leftover for something random like Matted Fur

[grand herald]

I mean people are going to mess around with stuff

[tough portal]

Hero talent and spec talents shouldnt change for healing

[grand herald]

But i imagine the major changes are taking apex, taking photo

Prob dropping refo

[distant birch]

Yeah, all of the mechanics are easy in the vacuum

[tough portal]

Talking about raid or M+

[simple hill]

Mostly M+

[distant birch]

but when you have to do everything at once, you spend 1s too long looking at your frames and ur ass is glaived

[tough portal]

Never assume bro

Nobody cares about raid

[grand herald]

M+ players get to owlweave

Wow amazing

[spark river]

Owlweave is bait

[silk ice]

With how many people come in and ask “can I do m+ without catweaving?” This might be an improvement for the wider playerbase

[grand herald]

Oh but i digress

We will still get a ton of people saying "why are we WS if boomie damage?????"

[oak garnet]

i mean personally tab targeting rakes aint my fave so even if its a bit less ima be starfirin'

[knotty goblet]

I mean, why not feel it out? shrug

[grand herald]

Standing still and casting for multiple seconds isnt what i want to do in m+

For dps at least

[silk ice]

I don’t think so, I think the majority of players copy and paste builds without reading them. If it’s not mentioned in the guides, you wouldn’t get many people even realizing kotg is better at caster damage

[tough portal]

Red is mostly the swaps you make
Yellow is also a more flexible point since moonkin form isnt as relevant as cat form
Blue if you want to sacrifice healing for more damage

[grand herald]

I mean we already get a lot of people who think we take WS for cat damage

I dont think that changes

[silk ice]

They see all the cat buttons and missing caster buttons and want to not be in melee, so they ask if there are alternate builds that removes catweaving

[oak garnet]

doc starfire healing during call kinda pumps

[tough portal]

Yeah I wish they'd remove Starfire and Starsurge from our class tree

[knotty goblet]

It's not an unreasonable position to ask from. I get what you are saying about WS is better for healing.

[silk ice]

If caster buttons were baseline, I think the people asking for a caster build would go down drastically

[oak garnet]

if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bike

[soft dagger]

well, you can get 3400io without ever touching a dps button but that would be so boring

[silk ice]

The majority of players don’t get to 3400

[distant birch]

They are busy getting CE

[silk ice]

I don’t think they hate the idea of dpsing, they probably don’t like the idea of being in melee or having to set up different bar keybinds

[soft dagger]

i am one of those that are tired of catweaving since forever. but I am not going to owlweave. Just human form casting is good enough, just something to do in between healing is good enough for me.

[silk ice]

You’re not going to owl weave dw

It’s just pressing the caster buttons in caster form

[distant birch]

I like catweaving but wish it had some aoe

[soft dagger]

yeah

[distant birch]

Feels kinda ass single dotting mobs at like 20mob pulls

Would be cool to have aoe rip or sth at least

[silk ice]

Feels kinda ass doing 10k dps when everyone else is doing 600k

[distant birch]

True

I am in the camp that ealers should be doing 50% of a dps in keys tbh

[oak garnet]

starfire spammin a pack will do like 100k next week

[distant birch]

But blizzard hates healers doing dam

[oak garnet]

during call

when youre memin

[soft dagger]

yeah one of the reason most tank are now very squishy because they want healer to just heal., but MW exist

[silk ice]

Dont think that’s good for the average player, that means they have to tune the dps requirements up, and the average player that chooses to heal typically don’t want to do a double job

[distant birch]

Yeah i mean its just subjective

I wanna do dam so for me that would be good

[chilly dawn]

Hello there.
What's the best potion for burst healing in raid? Light potentiel or Recklessness?

[silk ice]

You can go dps spec

[distant birch]

I wanna do dam on a healer*

[soft dagger]

i see CE restro druid use recklessness

[distant birch]

Since u need a healer in keys

[chilly dawn]

Both are used according to logs

[distant birch]

And nobody wants to play it because its boring

But they wont make ur dmg relevant which would make it less boring

[deft aurora]

Healing is the only interesting thing in keys though, everything else is target dummies and hoping everyone else does good.

[sly pivot]

are key logs a good barometer of performance? I'm new to healing this last two weeks so trying to figure out where I'm at

[silk ice]

Few people play healers because it’s daunting and they think it’s a huge responsibility, and the default UI setup is kinda ass for it. Even tho healers are arguably the passenger princesses for keys

[spark river]

no

key logs are useful to figure out your mistakes

[oak garnet]

did we time? did peopel die?

those are the questions u want to answer

[sly pivot]

Is anyone able to have a look and see mistakes I'm making - new to healing in general: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/drFWz1QMgcJj7Law?fight=1&type=healing

If I had to guess I think I'm casting my hots too much and overhealing - because I'm worried about the pugs dying. We timed I think few deaths. 10 MT.

Also did barely any catweaving because learning

[distant birch]

I think it depends on a level we are talking about tbh

[spark river]

20 cpm over a whole dungeon lol

[scenic pilot]

Logs are good at figuring out other people's mistakes when they randomly die out of nowhere in a key

[spark river]

of just rejuv

[distant birch]

I dont think that many people are afraid of healer responsibilites at title level+

They just dont wanna play it because its not fun when most of the key u dont really do much

[deft aurora]

Inviting that DK seems like it was a mistake. Or he needs to be in Acherus asking similar questions.

[sly pivot]

not my key, he had his pet on passive he found out at end of dung

[oak garnet]

for a 10 your regrowth number seems high just glancing at log

[deft aurora]

Well if you timed it with four, I'd say you're doing fine

[spark river]

I mean you just keep spamming healing spells even if nothing is happening

First boss for example

The only damage there is the aoe

You can sit in cat most of the time

You only did 6k dps there

[sly pivot]

Need to learn damage patterns more I think. I just get worried people gonna die 😅

[spark river]

People are not going to die that fast

Definitely not in a 10

[uncut pendant]

Can’t wait for owlweave

[thorn plover]

i ran a bunch of keys last night as chickenweave and i hate it

[spark river]

yep

[thorn plover]

feels crazy clunky compared to cat

[spark river]

same

[oak garnet]

not-so-fluid form

[thorn plover]

here let me stand still for 2s while i cast starfire, oh wait, i have to move because theres something under me, let me try again

[spark river]

hear me out

[oak garnet]

yeah but when u can sit there and spam it

[spark river]

sunfire -> bear thrash -> prio st with feral frenzy,rake and rip

[thorn plover]

nah im not doing all that

[spark river]

shapeshiftweaving

[oak garnet]

i think u still need to tab rakes for bursting growth

if u liek being cat

[spark river]

obviously

im not going to afk after 6 seconds of ff

[thorn plover]

just give us perma nature's vigil

[vivid elbow]

Just run high keys and you only have a few spare gcds either way

[waxen ingot]

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[tidal lynx]

Guys I’m so confused with all of these MS paint talent sheet screen shots

Can someone post an actual build

[spark river]

You re not switching builds yet anyway

[tidal lynx]

Okay?

[spark river]

Guides will be updated on time

[tough portal]

The spec rly worked much better with just magic dots + catweaving

[knotty goblet]

Bring back sunfire catweave

[tough portal]

Trying to shove in the wrath starfire starsurge was lame

[knotty goblet]

Toldagor catweave was tha bomb

[spark river]

I mean they also feel better

[thorn plover]

im assuming in aoe i dont send starsurge

[spark river]

This is clunky gameplay now

[pulsar kettle]

probably will on prio

[thorn plover]

yeah

[tidal lynx]

What is going to be clunky now?

[haughty ibex]

wat is the normal cpm on rg on like 18s kinda

is that a rtarded question

[thorn plover]

casting spells

[tidal lynx]

Not question is rtarded

[thorn plover]

depends how much damage people took

hard to gauge on m+

[haughty ibex]

thank u kitten u make me feel good about myself

[thorn plover]

theres no right answer

[haughty ibex]

yeah fairs...

[thorn plover]

you cast as much as it takes to keep people alive

[tidal lynx]

I prefer owl but okay

[thorn plover]

I prefer cat 🤝

[slow pasture]

Well between gcd spell and 2s cast you have to cancel while moving. My choice is made

[haughty ibex]

idk looking at logs i see people casting like 6cpm and others 3.5cpm on same teamcomp same dungeon 😔

[knotty goblet]

Imagine double-clawed rake in druid tree..

[thorn plover]

yep entirely depends on how much and what kind of damage the group takes

[haughty ibex]

no i know ur right is just making me feel unsure about like if im doing smth wrong

[thorn plover]

1. did you time
2. did people die

only metrics that matter in m+

[haughty ibex]

is looking at key% number any good

[thorn plover]

looking at hps or cpm is pointles (until youre failing healing checks)

[proven phoenix]

from an 18 magister

[haughty ibex]

why is ur wg so low and ur rg so high

i will literally kill myself