resto

[snow umbra]

I think he wants a profile string for Danders?

Nothing I could do then -.-

[thorn plover]

You guys should be dropping a healer there

But it's a early farm boss, doesn't really matter

[snow umbra]

We're just rotating players in for fights so everyone gets vault slots

[thorn plover]

Yeah makes sense

I'm on my phone so not in depth analysis, but it looks like you did the right things

Just nothing to heal

[empty ruin]

If anyone has a danders UI to share x: idk how i can be more clear

[thorn plover]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/user-interface/

[vocal musk]

So each player with a regrowth will receive 20% x1.95 ?

[tough portal]

Yes it's 20% of what the original Regrowth cast did bro

[vocal musk]

I guess I'm not using regrowth enough in keys, I always ended up struggling to keep people alive when big damage comes.

[empty ruin]

Yeah i already checked it

that's why im asking here 🙃

[thorn plover]

There is an import for danders on there

There are lots on the danders discord as well

[slow pasture]

Regrowth remains powerfull in m+
It’s not as juicy than during tww but it does the job well

[vocal musk]

Maybe I spend too much time to put rejuv on every player before I start to cast some regrowth.

[haughty ibex]

in m+ or?

[stiff pollen]

how is getting sources, resto or holyp?

[vocal musk]

Yes I only do M+

[haughty ibex]

then u just sm into reju and u cover half of the party basically

do that b4 dmg comes and ggs

[slow pasture]

Spread rejuv with soft. A couple more if a big dmg event is coming. But you don’t have to maintain high abundance stack all the time.

[haughty ibex]

thats ur sign to play prosperity so u can spread reju faster

trust.

[slow pasture]

To spread faster or to funnel insane apex heal on demand

[vocal musk]

80% of the time I cast SM into rejuv, sometimes > regrowth if I want the benefits from the +20% regrowth.

[lilac tide]

Could anyone maybe take a look at my log from today and tell me what to focus on next to improve? I've been playing Druid for a few weeks now and I feel I'm slowly doing things better but still grey parses. I'm assuming it might be my CD timing but not sure or if I'm just doing something else fundamentally wrong.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TM1t9W6gvd7FDYNH?fight=23&type=healing

[haughty ibex]

i mean that genuenly depends on what u need at the moment

[vocal musk]

But even with 2 rejuv on the same player many time it's not enough.
For instance Triumvirate, the trash after the 2nd boss, the bleed and dot are nasty.

[haughty ibex]

well ye people cant live with just 2 rejuvs

those pulls are horrible anyways

[slow pasture]

You have to rg them.
Also if they are low. It’s ok to do sm/rg

[spark river]

I dont see a resto in these logs?

[grand herald]

Where r druid

[lilac tide]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TM1t9W6gvd7FDYNH?fight=23&type=healing

my bad sry

[grand herald]

Cast more SM, more LB uptime, and cast more RGs

You overall arent casting enough

[vocal musk]

When these adds put dots on 4 players + 1 or 2 bleed, so much fun :3
I don't even understand how healers deal with it in 14+

[grand herald]

Another 6 RG CPM would fix that too

[lilac tide]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TM1t9W6gvd7FDYNH?fight=3&type=healing
Is it better in this fight? I feel Salhadaar I was running around a lot but not sure if that's the reason for casting not enough

[thorn plover]

Find the common mistakes link in the pin, it might help

[grand herald]

Could also be casting more WGs

[grand herald]

With rejuvs we should never be losing uptime

Cast while moving is easy for us

[lilac tide]

already read through that and saw a few issues but nothing where I thought "OK that's why my parse is grey" :/

[lilac tide]

yeah true

[thorn plover]

All the things azurelen said on the first log are things in that link

[grand herald]

You are casting about 85% of the spells of other healers

[thorn plover]

And will all contribute to a grey log

[grand herald]

With your current CPM

[lilac tide]

okay thank you

[grand herald]

Not to mention low usage of our most impactful spells

[grand herald]

Exact same problems in this log too

[glass crane]

does ns not work with convoke anymore?

[thorn plover]

News if it doesnt

[glass crane]

someone asked me yday and I'm testing it now and I can't see a bonus to the rg healing

[thorn plover]

Oof

[slow pasture]

Wg on cd. Sm+tj and rg in between. Also convoke.
IB on squishy target who used all their def

[thorn plover]

@main timber

[slow pasture]

Huge if true

[analog skiff]

ok but it doesnt heal so much ?

[slow pasture]

They heal a lot

[grand herald]

Dont tell me i actually have to think about NS now

[analog skiff]

playing since legion never understood

the reg spam

[vocal musk]

What's tj ?
"who used all their def" I wish I knew but "to simplify" the game Blizz broke OmniCD :):):)

[plain steeple]

On live or PTR?

[main timber]

They have been cleaning up old "bugs" lately

[slow pasture]

Wanted to write rj

[glass crane]

live

[plain steeple]

Thank you for testing and sharing the info.

[glass crane]

if I rg myself it hits for 19k, first hit of rg on convoke with ns is also 19k

[thorn plover]

Goodbye convoke macro

[slow pasture]

Rg is not only the direct heal, but also a hot. So a mastery stack.
And with with NB 20% heals people with rg hot

Not to mention people with rg hot are healed by embrace

[spark river]

Im still pressing it

fk it

[slow pasture]

So that’s a lot

[thorn plover]

I'm just gonna bind it to regrowth f it

[spark river]

thats cursed

[slow pasture]

Rip NS convoke my friend during many years

[analog skiff]

ni dont play embrace

[plain steeple]

Get my new tech: bind it to barkskin as new big cooldown combined with apex.

[vocal musk]

Is WG a quite healing source or is it mostly cast for the mastery stack ?

[plain steeple]

Every min big burst healing.

[thorn plover]

WG consistently my 3rd most healing so not small

[vocal musk]

Oh ok

[slow pasture]

Since you are talking about m+ it’s proccing SB too

[analog skiff]

ok but until u apply all rg or ur stacks fall

[vocal musk]

Btw for NS I read a comment in a video saying that he tries to sync NS before convok so the RG casts all benefit from NS buff. Pretty clever.

[slow pasture]

Doesn’t work anymore

That’s what we are talking about

[spark river]

the bald man said it doesnt work

so its gospel

[gentle nova]

they keep nerfing druid gg

[slow pasture]

Always trust Bald druid

[dense lantern]

Cyon?

[vocal musk]

Ah !

[spark river]

is a joke

i like the bald man

[wise galleon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2QPVLgD76p8zvXHd?fight=9
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2QPVLgD76p8zvXHd?fight=last
Wiped a couple of time in magisters 15+ and nexus +15, shorter log. Is anyone willing to check if I healed okay up to that? In Magisters tank said that someone pulled extra during the last wipe whist in Nexus tank got batteries. I just want to know if I did what I could, ty ^^

[spark river]

someone i can relate to

[drowsy isle]

Trust, but verify

[slow pasture]

42 LB cast for 50 SM

[vocal musk]

A friend told me Blizz is going to up the distance DPS spells of Rdruid, is that true ?

[slow pasture]

Wg is very low

[spark river]

because he plays

god damn prosperity

in keys

stop this propaganda

[slow pasture]

Still.

So many LB cast compared to sm is wild

Even with prosp

[spark river]

hes even sitting

on. 2 stacks

most of the time

[analog skiff]

?

[tough portal]

What are you guys yapping about

[thorn plover]

No more ns convoke

[gentle nova]

can u read 2 lines above

[analog skiff]

about what is so special about RG in raid

[spark river]

give me boomkin numbers face

[tough portal]

No not you idiots

[analog skiff]

why using empowered rg isntead of rej

[tough portal]

I'm asking about the log posted

[spark river]

should i sit in cat form in st or not

[tough portal]

LB and Swiftmend casts are normal

[eternal hazel]

finally being useful in raid

[dense lantern]

12 min key

42 lb casts

[tough portal]

No man 40% damage is an insane buff

[dense lantern]

checks out

idk what you yappin

[spark river]

man

i wanted to weave

2 forms

ultimate unbearable build

[tough portal]

Even less, 3 mins of it is afk cuz bricked key

[bright jolt]

you lucky bastard, I had a monk on my log, so I just chose to do more p1 healing

[thorn plover]

Prosperity in m+ 🥇

[spark river]

send log so we can nitpick why it isnt 99

[gentle nova]

because convoke casted 2 rgs with NS, that means every NB target was getting hit by double the amount

thats a nerf?

[dense lantern]

idk what your stance is but I will defend prosp in keys so fucking hard

wont stop until i die

[spark river]

you guys are clinically insane

[slow pasture]

Well. Sm should be higher. And so his WG.

[thorn plover]

I love prosp. As a former VI lifer

[tough portal]

They couldnt even check that it has almost 3 min of downtime at the end of the log

Before yapping about casts per minute

[whole horizon]

prosp since day 1

[tough portal]

Prosp is goated with it fr

[thorn plover]

🙌

[slow pasture]

Didn’t talked about cpm. Talked about sm/lb ratio

[cobalt mesa]

Hey guys, how does your hps looks like in keys?
For me it feels kinda wrong that rejuvenation is the most healing for me

[spark river]

i love the german language so much

[thorn plover]

Wowhead is completely unusable without ad block omfg

[spark river]

how do you not love nachwachsen

[cobalt mesa]

sorry xD

[dense lantern]

bro i swear to god

i dont get it why does everything wow related suck so much

except qelive

that is fine

[slow pasture]

Immerblüte is a funny name

[dense lantern]

thanks voulk

[eternal hazel]

nuh uh

[spark river]

i ll find it myself then

investigative journalism

[drowsy isle]

Are we taking feral or balance talents in 12.0.5?

[thorn plover]

Yes

[cobalt mesa]

does this look correct to you healwise?

[spark river]

Yes

It looks fine

[thorn plover]

Use logs for real data. Damage meter is useless

[dense lantern]

thoughts???

[spark river]

this is what i would run

[grizzled seal]

shit

[thorn plover]

No forest walk is kinda troll but

[spark river]

so i can cat on boss

[grizzled seal]

2 talent to rip every 2 mins

[slow pasture]

Forestwalk my love

[grizzled seal]

epic spec

[dense lantern]

prio damage!!!

[tough portal]

Looks like it was an easy key
Impossible to evaluate if you played this well or not without knowing what the key was like. In something difficult to heal you'll typically have higher Regrowth

[cobalt mesa]

this was +10

[thorn plover]

That's considered an entry level key this season

[cobalt mesa]

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KFwQV62zj7cDtZaY
this would be the log

[slow pasture]

Yeah so logic to have rejub that high

[spark river]

There isnt anything to heal in a 10

[thorn plover]

Yes

[spark river]

Need to do a more difficult key

[tough portal]

Yeah like you're maybe inefficient with your healing but it looks like you're learning the spec and the key was just not a heal check in any way, looks fine

[daring condor]

If the keys are +16, should you then go with keeper oF the grove?

[tough portal]

You should expect to cast a lot more Regrowths during damage events happening in a key level that requires healing

[spark river]

no

wildstalker heals more

[cobalt mesa]

yeah i am learning from scratch you could say
last season i played was in dragonflight season 3

alright thank you 🙂

[wise galleon]

Shouldn't I keep WG for aoe events or spread out damage? I feel like im keeping it more on CD for having it on those events instead of spamming it on CD

For example in Nexus, the right wing im keeping them for Dreadbellow or how is that aoe called

[thorn plover]

No you just send it for blooms and mastery stacks

[wise galleon]

Untill people are not topped I just spam it

[wise galleon]

But mana dips fast if I just spam it on CD

[spark river]

how

[thorn plover]

You can't be reactive, need to have them out before damage

[tough portal]

Holding a 9s cd that lasts 7s is crazy bro

[spark river]

we have infinite mana

[wise galleon]

I'm not reactive. I'm using it in the exact time when damage goes out

[spark river]

thats reactive

[thorn plover]

That's reactive

[slow pasture]

Still you want to fish SB proc

[wise galleon]

Because you know the spec better then I do I assume, I have a bit of mana issue when I'm scared or doing higher keys because I tend to overheal because I'm not sure of the damage throughput

[slow pasture]

Someone with SB take +20% healing per stack

[thorn plover]

Learn the dungeons and that will fix that problem a lot

[wise galleon]

If I'm confident with the key I usually just catweave way more and still don't press WG on CD

[thorn plover]

Should send it on cd regardless

[wise galleon]

what's sb?

[thorn plover]

To consume with prosperity

😈

[spark river]

If you re scared and just slamming heals into full hp bars then yeah you re out of mana

[slow pasture]

Heal more / less mana used

Symbiotic Bloom

[tough portal]

Yeah idk how it's compatible that you're both ooming and not sending WG cuz there's nothing to heal with it

[thorn plover]

The reason we play wildstalker

[tough portal]

How can you justify holding WG cuz nothing to heal but at teh same time be overhealing and have a mana issue?

[spark river]

schrodingers druid

[slow pasture]

It’s a cat that works

[granite dirge]

What addon are some people using to track certain buffs like abundance on their cursor? (Please don't tell me this was just a weakaura that I can't have now that I actually want to try it 😭 )

[bright swift]

I'm already playig next week's build on Lura

it's so decent already

[wise galleon]

Because im trying to keep reju on everyone too much and maybe pre-regrowth people that are going to get bolted/dots

I should use regrowth more reactively instead of proactively?

[tough portal]

Right so you're just preferring to cast worse heals

[spark river]

I played it yesterday, its decent yeah

[slow pasture]

You play prosp and don’t use wg enough to consume them xith sm

[tough portal]

But in fairness, the logs you linked were deaths to unhealable mechanical failure

[slow pasture]

True

[wise galleon]

I thought wg was mana intensive and not healing a lot if multiple targets are getting damage

[tough portal]

At least the NPX, you got hit by dark beckoning orb, people let barrels go through

[rustic copper]

Link the full build

[wise galleon]

Like a wg I would pop only if at least 3 people are not topped

[wise galleon]

true

[dense lantern]

kick??

man i miss my interrupt

[slow pasture]

It’s still a mastery stack. A hot you can consume, it pops a tree and can proc SB on target

[thorn plover]

That's reactive

Don't be reactive

[tough portal]

WG is much stronger than putting up individual unbuffed Rejuvs at any point in time

[spark river]

you would get more output with a point in ws right now probably

i mean 2 tv also obviously

[thorn plover]

You can still use the weakauras for it with the fork. Google m33kauras

[spark river]

but next week this is probably best

[tough portal]

Like 0 WG casts bro pls cast WG

[pulsar kettle]

wg op

press it

[granite dirge]

Thank you, haven't heard of that at all

[tough portal]

Abundance is secret no?

Does hottracker anchor to cursor perchance?

[wise galleon]

when this, maybe I still have memory of the pull

[rustic copper]

Do you rly think you need ms?

[forest abyss]

oh so say i fucked up and ppl are taking dam while my hots are about to drop off
i'd rather cast wild growth first before rejuvving someone?

[dense lantern]

1st pull npx

[wise galleon]

trying to recollect why I wouldn't cast wg

[bright swift]

On lura???

10 min fight man

[thorn plover]

I think so

[bright swift]

how are you not gonna go ooom

[wise galleon]

well everyone was topped... tank was the only one getting dmged

[rustic copper]

Did you do any bosses with that build already

[wise galleon]

like there was no dmg going on

[rustic copper]

I want to see mana

[dense lantern]

sorry no thats first pull MT

[bright swift]

Some in reclear

[tough portal]

That one was 1st pull MT that I linked

[rustic copper]

Show mana

[thorn plover]

I think I added this but idk, I hate cursor stuff

[wise galleon]

well im keeping the wg for the slam

[bright swift]

Too short fights

[tough portal]

You're spamming naked Rejuvs on everybody, why is a WG cast unjustifiable?

[wise galleon]

and the rest is just the beam to heal

[dense lantern]

the slam in 10s

[wise galleon]

no damage going on except bolts

[thorn plover]

WG is a hot not a burst

Why would you keep it for slam

[tough portal]

So damage...

[wise galleon]

I guess you ppl are right

[tough portal]

And you're spamming Rejuvs...

[thorn plover]

That makes 0 sense

[tough portal]

???????

What are we arguing over bro

[wise galleon]

I was just scared of not having wg for slam

[tough portal]

Slam is once every 30s

[slow pasture]

Tbh with 4p you have near 0 downtime on xg hot

[thorn plover]

WG does nothing for a slam

[tough portal]

You're holding a 9s cd that lasts 7s for a 30s cd ability or

Why

[wise galleon]

Yes indeed I might have made a mistakey

[rustic copper]

[slow pasture]

And you have all your time to heal you team on slam

[tough portal]

WG and Swiftmend are just overloaded spells

[dense lantern]

that is assuming people interrupt bolts

[slow pasture]

[wise galleon]

well I want it when the slam comes, wg does more healing in its first ticks but question

does swfitmend reju heal less then wg then?

[hearty cargo]

is there a point we want mastery flask over haste flask or do we say haste > mastery even when im unbuffed at 34% haste ? help a fellow druid

[wise galleon]

because I love doing swiftmend + reju constantly instead of wg

[thorn plover]

Raid or m+

[hearty cargo]

both

[wise galleon]

like I understood yes I must wg more no excuses, just asking

[tough portal]

Those dont compete, thats not a valid question

[slow pasture]

What do you consume with sm

[spark river]

raid only haste, you can mastery on keys

[slow pasture]

If wg not out

[tough portal]

You're also casting a lot of unbuffed Rejuvs in these logs

[hearty cargo]

gottcha thanks for the answer

[tough portal]

SOTF doesnt buff WG anymore

[dense lantern]

[spark river]

i like this sotf interaction more tbh

[tough portal]

I dont mind it

[wise galleon]

cuh

[dense lantern]

yeah im just being nostalgic

[hardy canopy]

thoughts on ND in keys and why no one uses it

[dense lantern]

you started playing this season, it never did for you

[slow pasture]

We were barely using it in m+ tbh

[thorn plover]

@tough portal it does infact mouse anchor

[slow pasture]

Nd is dope

[spark river]

nd is bait

[wise galleon]

but we checked the reju tooltips

[spark river]

dont @ me

[wise galleon]

it did wym

am i crazy

[hardy canopy]

@spark river

[dense lantern]

reju, not wg

[tough portal]

ND is dope solareana is delusional

[rustic copper]

[thorn plover]

HoTTracker can do this as well, mouse anchor in the options

[spark river]

nd and prosperity stans

and we talk about delusional

[wise galleon]

ah yeah soz I was thinking about rejuvs, not wg

[tough portal]

'-' bro you said both

[slow pasture]

Solareana prosp and ND hater

[tough portal]

Ok well we move on

[granite dirge]

bless

[thorn plover]

Idk what my own add-on does

[spark river]

real

[hardy canopy]

i see the chinese rdruids getting oom in a minute from refreshing rejuvs when they could have ND

[slow pasture]

That’s concerning

[thorn plover]

I don't like cursor stuff so I just forget it exists

[wise galleon]

No what I was asking was if using swiftmend + reju (getting 3 reju out) is healing less then wg?

[dense lantern]

how are you getting 3 rej

you're consuming one because you didnt have wg

[wise galleon]

Because I don't ever want to use wg because having 2 stacks of swiftmend and rejuvs feels very comfy instead of wg

[dense lantern]

and now you have 3

[tough portal]

But that doesnt matter

[wise galleon]

okay sure whatever 4 then

[tough portal]

Those arent spamable and dont compete

[wise galleon]

Okay because? It costs more mana?

[tough portal]

There's no reason to pick one or the other lol

You should cast both those things

They dont compete

[wise galleon]

ah okag

less regular rejuvs

[slow pasture]

You could have wg and rj out for the dmg event

[thorn plover]

You have 10 people telling you to push WG and you're still pushing back

[dense lantern]

He's not pushing back

[slow pasture]

Consuming a rj cost more mana than wg

[dense lantern]

tbf

[wise galleon]

I'm not pushing back in any way, I'm explaining why I'm doing what I do and want confirmation that there are reason why we do x instead of y

[thorn plover]

Ok my interpretation bad then , carry on

[wise galleon]

butchered englisg

[sacred wasp]

i actually do it the other way around

[wise galleon]

also for prepulls of first big pulls are you guys doing normal reju spams into swiftmend rejuvs or just spam swiftmend rejuvs or keep swiftmend for enhanced regrowths, how does the "opening" look like

do you even fully germinate ppl or is it overkill

[hardy canopy]

i wanna time 20s with ND to show ND on archon and ppl will start to pick it

[sacred wasp]

only in extended rot / dot fights do i maintain full rejuvs on everyone

[dense lantern]

There is almost no reason to have full rej on people

unless said people will take damage

for the full duration of the rej

[forest abyss]

[spice rock]

HAHA myself and my fellow druid became invinsible on L'ura just now. We couldn't get buffed but we also took no damage

[mortal fjord]

except it that it is pug run ? 🙂

[wise galleon]

But like at first BL pulls I just send everything I can

[slow pasture]

I do that only for 1st pull of WS and Seat

[formal fjord]

Yeah im pugging mostly because im in new zealand and rej is important for the abundance and also, pug.

[mortal fjord]

^^

[wise galleon]

Windspire, Skyreach, Seat

[formal fjord]

yeah skyreach for sure

[wise galleon]

You don't even put rejuvs on everyone(single rejuvs)?

[slow pasture]

And even that i don’t full 2 rj

[wise galleon]

I cant do that because the first ones usually start ticking off before everyone is fully rj+germinate. But ideally I would expect wanting to have as many boosted rejuvs on people

[dense lantern]

A boosted rejuv on someone is worse than a boosted rg on someone if they wont benefit for the full rejuv duration

[wise galleon]

thus asking if its better to have multiple boosted rejuvs on people or just one set on a couple of people and keep swiftmend for adding more next instead of overlapping all boosted rejuvs

[slow pasture]

Put 4/5 rj. Wg on pull and when dmg

Sm / rj then rg spam

(I play 2tv so it’s juicy)

[sacred wasp]

imo i think you're putting too much weight in the value of the hot itself

[formal fjord]

Yes, agree.

[dense lantern]

Everything else benefits way less from sotf

[formal fjord]

not talking about sotf, talking about abundance.

[wise galleon]

it's about having mastery stacks

(I think)

nvm

[dense lantern]

Sure but you dont need sotf rej to get the stacks

(And everything else)

[sacred wasp]

even though there's a steeper mastery falloff this season it's still worth adding extra stacks past 3 because of how infinite the damage is

[formal fjord]

no you dont, use sotf for regrowth and get plenty of abundance from rej

[faint lynx]

Can someone explain the everbloom change a bit more to me? I think I'm dumb, I know the pin says it's a slight buff, but based on the in game text it's a pretty hefty nerf. Sorry if dumb question I just came back to wow after 5 year break

[spark river]

Rank 2 and 3 also change

[dense lantern]

before it was 2 people now its 5

[spark river]

Not only rank 4

[formal fjord]

yeah looks like a nerf to me.

[sacred wasp]

sotf regrowth for the purpose of proliferating the hot is not the move imo because during damage you're going to be overwriting those regrowths

[grand herald]

Read your current apex talent

Compare to the one in patch notes

[formal fjord]

will do ty

[mortal fjord]

:))))

[grand herald]

Read your current apex

[formal fjord]

i use sotf regrowth for healing once i have the rej out yes?

[forest abyss]

in m+ do u keep lb on urself for efflor control or move it around on ppl who need healing?

[formal fjord]

normally a squish or melee for full coverage

and with current build keep on one target

[grand herald]

On who needs healing

Dont need to keep on one target

[formal fjord]

thats talent dependent tho uyes?

[grand herald]

Not really

[formal fjord]

so we dont mind the loss from moving around LB?

[grand herald]

You are just losing 2 passive stacks

[wise galleon]

so we actually consider abundance more valuable then the enhanced rejuvs? Like we do swiftmend reju to get out more rejuvs thus having a better abundance that heals more OR is actually using swiftmend on regrowths healing more? (for a big pull scenario again)

[grand herald]

Not a big deal

Since the big healing is the blooms

[formal fjord]

got u

make sure it gets to 3 tho?

or?

[grand herald]

Doesnt affect the bloom

[dense lantern]

Well it's mostly about the fact that damage patterns in m+ are spikey

So a bigger instant heal is sometimes more value

[sacred wasp]

it's helpful to be less rigid on what you spend sotf because in keys a large portion of the value from sotf is the frenzied blooms and not the hot prolif

[dense lantern]

but it all depends on the dmg patterns clearly innit

[sacred wasp]

sotf regrowth makes for a big cleave but as long as you're not weighing the value of actually spreading the rg hot then your argument for it can be a bit more sound

[wise galleon]

It's hard to react to 20 mobs in the first pulls of the dungeon, so it's harder to use regrowths in the right moment then using rejuvs on everyone

[grand herald]

Generally we dont consciously care about abundance in M+ at all

[sacred wasp]

its very interesting that blizzard tried to move away from spikey damage then made DoTs that tick for 60% of someone's health

bolts tickle relative to a single tick of some of these dots

[grand herald]

I mean, this just isnt really true

The RJs are not carrying your healing on these pulls

[formal fjord]

i guess it depends on your skill level?

[dense lantern]

rejuvs on everyone dont do anything

[formal fjord]

RJs necessary for abundance tho right?

[dense lantern]

unless you cast regrowth on people anyways

[formal fjord]

so pre hot, pull, sotf regrowth?

[grand herald]

We dont care about abundance in m+

Its a passive nice to have

[formal fjord]

what if ur pugging?

[grand herald]

Not a central way we heal

[wise galleon]

It's the regrowths that come after , but should I keep the swiftmends for more rejuvs or more regrowths?

[formal fjord]

swiftmend for regrowth 100

[grand herald]

Doesnt change how we hela

[grand herald]

Its not a rigid answer

[dense lantern]

It depends on the damage profile. On aoe damage pulls generally rej

[formal fjord]

I dont understand because there is way more damage

[wise galleon]

Strictly using 1 charge for rejuvs then having one more for..?

[dense lantern]

But if you know that people will be bolted

Or there are bleeds/dots (with a short duration)

Etc

Then regrowth is often more valuable

[lilac tide]

but isn't abundance kinda neccessary to heal people who are super low?

[grand herald]

And abundance isnt central to how we heal no matter how much damage there is

[grand herald]

No

You are wildly overestimating what abundance does

[lilac tide]

can you explain why or how we are supposed to heal someone who's super low?

[grand herald]

Its just extra crit chance

[formal fjord]

yes please

[grand herald]

Cast RG, cast SM

[thorn plover]

push regrowth

[sacred wasp]

mastery and SBs will make regrowth giga

[thorn plover]

you should already have hots on them

[wise galleon]

Like can you compare a Skyreach, Seat, WS?
Do we always in all of these pull reju then swiftmend reju and then swiftmend regrowth( and not rejuvs as I was doing till now) ?

[formal fjord]

SBs?

[thorn plover]

sym bloom

[sacred wasp]

symbiotic bloom from wildstalker

20% healing increase per stack, they proc from wild growth and regrowth

[grand herald]

Its a moment by moment decision

[thorn plover]

why are people so afraid of pressing regrowth

[lilac tide]

i can't cast regrowth spam fast enough to heal someone up as quick as needed even with hots on them already

[grand herald]

If 3 people are at 10% hp

[sacred wasp]

what hots are on them?

[grand herald]

You aren't gonna troll and cast RJ

[lilac tide]

i'm talking about one person that's low

[sacred wasp]

if you're worried about pug damage being unpredictable just spam wg btw

[lilac tide]

rg + rj

[forest abyss]

swiftmend regrowth is like a full party lay of hands no?

[sacred wasp]

it is not

[grand herald]

Cast swiftmend

[grand herald]

It can be pretty strong yeah

[gentle nova]

67

[proven phoenix]

this is not "full hots"

you have 2 rejuvs, regrowth, lifebloom

symbiotic blooms

[pulsar kettle]

wg

[grand herald]

WG

[sacred wasp]

wg wg wg wg

press wg more!!!

everyone!!

[lilac tide]

yeah I meant wg, chill lol

[proven phoenix]

a single symb bloom on someone turns regrowth into a lay on hands

im completely chill lol

im just dispelling the illusion that regrowth itself doesnt do anything

[grand herald]

We literally werent even responding to you

[plain steeple]

It is 🤷‍♂️

[wise galleon]

Yes but I'm always talking about a big first pull where one GCD puts someone to 10% if something has not been properly interrupted. As I understood we always want to use regrowths instead of more rejuvs becasue rejuvs apparently don't heal that much for that damage pattern and we just want them for mastery/abundance. So the point is, casting swiftmend with rejuv is kinda not optimal for a pull that doesn't last to long, we better swiftmend regrowth because it heals more then a swiftmend reju? Like Im trying to get a confirmation of what I understood so far otherwise I didn't understand anything lol

[sacred wasp]

if u can show me a swiftmend rg LoHing a party with minimal modifiers active u got me

[urban bone]

I love pressing wg

[thorn plover]

you should have the rejuvs out before the pull

and maintain them

[wise galleon]

Like I understand it varies very much on the current moment

[thorn plover]

why would you have minimal modifiers?

push your buttons people

[formal fjord]

how many u think?

[sacred wasp]

lkie in the case of like wild growth and 1 extra hot active

[thorn plover]

a dungeon first pull? all of them

[thorn plover]

thats not what anyone is saying, and you should have more than that out

[sacred wasp]

i use ns self-rg for a party LoH

[formal fjord]

thats what ive been doing but im getting lots of "you dont need rej just spam wg"

[grand herald]

No one said you dont need RJ

[forest abyss]

arent ppl here saying u should stop maintaining rejuvs or am i misunderstanding

[thorn plover]

no

no one is saying that

[grand herald]

We just said abundance is not what you play around

[wise galleon]

1 reju per people and if possible some of these rejuvs are enhanced is enough? Germination necessary, enhanced rejuvs on almost everyone necessary?

[grand herald]

Not at all

Well

[formal fjord]

when you say "play around" do you mean "rely on" for unpredictable spike damage?

[grand herald]

Maintain is different

[wise galleon]

ah ok

[plain steeple]

I do not understand that sentence.
In a situation where the entire group drops to 10%, I expect you to have rejuvs and wild growth out, will have almost 100% crit chance on Regrowth and use sm+rg (likely even with NS). That will be a 100% heal for 3 players.

[grand herald]

I mean you can just literally never track it in M+ and be fine

[plain steeple]

Otherwise, learn the mechanics and dmg patterns.

[thorn plover]

say 1st pull of WS, i have full rejuvs on everyone before first pull. then sm - rejuv to maintain them, sm - regrowth if i need to top multiple people

[grand herald]

You press RJs cause you need the healing

[forest abyss]

no, before that, like here

[opaque frost]

If your pugging you rejuving pre pull, man your brave.

[sacred wasp]

and that's definitely a case wher ethat applies but when we're taking to people asking very basic questions on how to heal they're going to read "sm rg is a full party loh" and take it at face value

[grand herald]

Yeah full RJ is not something you maintain

[wise galleon]

full reju you mean reju + germ?

[formal fjord]

assume so?

[thorn plover]

yes on certain pulls, typically only first pulls

its all about learning the dungeon

[sacred wasp]

don't get me wrong i get what you mean but people are trying to rigidly solve m+ healing with an algorithm in here rn

[formal fjord]

right okay, i was like, man i dont know how you lot are doing it then

[plain steeple]

Swiftmend has a ~12s cooldown and you use it on cooldown.

[wise galleon]

yeye that's what I'm asking, just the hard first big pulls

[thorn plover]

yes

[formal fjord]

phew

[thorn plover]

no reason to not put everything

before the time

timer*

[sacred wasp]

im not sure the relevance of this one

[proven phoenix]

I think some of you guys need to realise that you can just cast between pulls

hell use a swiftmend rejuv between pulls

just prep

[thorn plover]

^^^^^

we are not reactive healers, quit being reactive

[proven phoenix]

when im running into a hard pull

[plain steeple]

There is your LoH every few seconds.
Idk what else you want to know or tell others, except to press their buttons.

[proven phoenix]

I just rejuv everyone before we even pull the first mob

[thorn plover]

^

[urban bone]

Ye it makes doing some dam for mana a lot easier to when you go form pull yo pull and people already ticking

[proven phoenix]

I have a 3 stacked lb

[forest abyss]

well that's the problem of everyone being white names because im saying this from the context of someone mostly healing this season instead of dpsing or tanking lmao

[sacred wasp]

we're approaching post io levels of discussion

[urban bone]

We in the healing channel bro

I feel healed by this discussion

In my soul

[thorn plover]

seems like people just dont like pushing buttons until its too late

need to fix that

[forest abyss]

what i mean is that when i said that it was just my experience as a newbie so anyone else reading what i say should not be taken as valid opinion idk

[dense lantern]

I expect people can handle some critical thinking btw

[urban bone]

Low abundance thinking

[rustic copper]

Rejuv spammer mentality

[thorn plover]

thats a lot to ask

[wise galleon]

I'm still confused in the value of a enhanced reju. If I'm already putting full rejuvs on everyone pre-big first pull... shouldnt I use both swiftmends back to back to get enhanced rejuvs on everyone? Swiftmend cd would come back up when I need to regrowth anyways, no? But you guys said to just full reju everyone, use one swiftmend reju to maintain and the other swiftmend charge for regrowth

[sacred wasp]

drop the notion of the enhanced rejuv being the value there

[plain steeple]

Just never waste your swiftmend cooldown. With VI you could here and there wait for 2-3 seconds. But usually it’s not worth to wait for longer.
If you need burst, place sotf on regrowth. If you don’t need burst, use it on rejuv to have more abundance stacks and strong prehots.

[dense lantern]

VI 🤢

[wise galleon]

so adding to that... if there is a mechanic involving someone having dots on them... is giving enhanced reju also wasted? (before the dot connects and I start using regrowth spam )

[idle lake]

void forge

does it increase the ilvl cap

[dense lantern]

Yes

[idle lake]

or straight up boost the ilvl of your weapon

[thorn plover]

weapons and trinkets only

[sacred wasp]

VI 💪

[wise galleon]

like we don't care ever about enh rejuvs then

[idle lake]

ok so i still have to use crests

[dense lantern]

Oh yeah this

[dense lantern]

No I don't think so

[thorn plover]

no

[idle lake]

okay huge

[sacred wasp]

though I'm considering prosp nowadays as some of these back to back dots kinda suck

[uncut mica]

I love these xD

[plain steeple]

Doesn’t matter here.
If you play prosperity you also won’t waste your CD. You will not stay on 2 stacks.

[idle lake]

if you boost a hero item does it become myth?

[thorn plover]

no

[dense lantern]

No it just gets +ilvl

[urban bone]

I love VI so much but maybe it’s because I’ve not tried Prosp

[dense lantern]

Prosp is way higher value in m+

[thorn plover]

this was me 10 days ago

go prosp

trust

[idle lake]

ok so more worth to do it on my crafted wep

its next week right?

[dense lantern]

Ye

[formal fjord]

my ilvl is 269 - thought u all should knwo

[sacred wasp]

i think so too but im deep set in my ways

[idle lake]

awesome

[urban bone]

I’ll try it…

[dense lantern]

I don't know who started this VI propaganda

Or when

[urban bone]

Feel I’ll miss extending LB

[dense lantern]

But I'm glad we're finally healing

[thorn plover]

you get used to it

half of you guys are moving LB around anyways

[dense lantern]

What are you extending blud

Extending your lb on the tank

[sacred wasp]

artifcact of last sesaon where it was default

don't make me change!!

[dense lantern]

Wasting the mend healing on someone that doesn't need healing

[bold monolith]

Is the apex build on wowhead still up to date for the most part or is there a better one somewhere after the changes

[thorn plover]

changes havent hit yet

so its up to date

[main timber]

The changes arent in the game yet but wowhead will update when they have

And indeed the build will change

[bold monolith]

oh, call it a placebo effect then cuz my healing was feeling good tuesday lmao

[short arrow]

Can someone explain the blooming frenzy effect? I dont get that

[thorn plover]

lifebloom blooms multiple times

[rustic copper]

To WS?

[thorn plover]

read lifebloom spell, where it says target is instantly healed for X, it does that

[main timber]

[dense lantern]

No, in that case having a sotf rj is cool

[oak garnet]

People go on wcl or murlok and see talents

[dense lantern]

Assuming you won't consume it with swiftmend

[oak garnet]

And get baited

[dense lantern]

No it was literally people in here swearing behind VI

I remember

[oak garnet]

But I do think vi and prosp are competitive. Vi is better at the very highest level because of how shit on tank gets

[pulsar kettle]

no

[oak garnet]

Lb on tank like vast majority of the time. It's why they play hb too despite it boggling my mind

[pulsar kettle]

[dense lantern]

How is VI more healing on the tank

[oak garnet]

Wym no legit every druid doing 20s is running vi

[dense lantern]

[short arrow]

So with the blooming it also splashes for 30% to others 5 times?

[pulsar kettle]

every druid doing 20s is also pressing sunfire and drinking more because of it

[sacred wasp]

mana consideration 😂

[oak garnet]

Watch a video of a 20 and see how much damage tank is taking

[sacred wasp]

just use less

[wise galleon]

well I hope tomorrow I cast more wg

[dense lantern]

You didn't explain to me how is VI more healing on the tank

[pulsar kettle]

yeah, by not pressing sunfire. ez choice

[oak garnet]

It's not it's extending all the hots on the tank bc Lb is on them quote a bit more

So it's getting a lot more value

[thorn plover]

yes but its changing tuesday slightly

[peak charm]

Love me some WS

[oak garnet]

Rn I'm barely healing tanks in 16s 17s etc

Except for certain mechanics like peck or boss mechanics

[thorn plover]

my dh tank is a squishy sob

anyone else i dont heal

[oak garnet]

In 20s even regular trash is fucking blasting them and they make massive pulls

To time

[wise galleon]

lifebloom 3 mastery thingy talent

[oak garnet]

The m+ meta for 20+ is honestly different than 16s/17s I swear

If you try to follow what the top.1% are doing and you're doing 15s you're gonna be sad

[dense lantern]

It is, but VI is just a delusion

[unique sedge]

Do we heal alleria absorbs in mythic?

[oak garnet]

I play prosp and ND every key

[sacred wasp]

yeah because the theorycrafters live in 15s but the feelycrafter good players live in 20s

[thorn plover]

HB is bait

[pulsar kettle]

what the 0.1%ers do is not gospel.

[oak garnet]

100%

[pulsar kettle]

especially what the cn teams do

[oak garnet]

It's what works for them in a very niche meta

Not applicable for vast majority of players

[rustic copper]

What is your comp

[thorn plover]

intel i7

[rustic copper]

1 msgs bloqued

[pulsar kettle]

i7 in the great '26

[thorn plover]

lmao

[pulsar kettle]

ICANT

[sacred wasp]

If I could react it’d be a fire emoji

[pulsar kettle]

buying a 14th gen intel chip

bruthr

[dire quest]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-remy-rat-judge-judging-gif-10360531838800379102

[unique sedge]

hpala, mw, disc, me druid

[rustic copper]

Both hpal and mw are good at healing them, we had an evoker instead of an hpal so I put 2 rejuvs and 1 regrowth into each heal absorb, also sometimes sending sotf regrowth into them when I had but I didn’t spam them

If your mw is on single target healing build you shouldn’t do more than rejuvs and a regrowth and you’ll be more than fine on absorbs

I don’t think swapping lifebloom is worth

I don’t think spamming regrowth on the same target is worth

[urban kestrel]

You have nothing better to do in p1 but with a mw and paladin yeah you can just natures bounty max

P3 ones through you're busy.

[weak rune]

Can someone give me a hand with debuffs on raid frames, i'm struggling with not being able to see a lot of debuffs on people's frames. Like I just did a seat and for example on the 2nd boss I couldn't see who the pounce had gone on, or who had bleeds from the mobs before that etc. Making it very hard to heal. Is there a setting I need to change somewhere or is this just part of the addon apocalypse? I'm using dander's frames

i'm off healing so not sure if this is normal or not yet

[bright swift]

fast pulls lol

[unique sedge]

Yeah i noticed that haha

[tough portal]

No those are fine to see, your danders isnt showing cuz you didnt set it up to show them

Idk how danders works tho I use grid

[bright swift]

@cyan minnow

what happening

[tough portal]

Brother link the log tho

[grizzled seal]

@marsh prism

[bright swift]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/dMA8LanwqfDyVZRJ/61-Mythic+Midnight+Falls+-+Wipe+36+(3:02)/7-Vrocas/standard/statistics

[grizzled seal]

It's nance's log

Says right there

Misspelled though

[bright swift]

Might be because of swiftmends going on the crystals?

[weak rune]

Its frustrating I have everything set to show in dander's as far as I can tell, I'd rather see too much and trim back than the opposite but im just not being shown when one of my group is being exploded by a debuff

maybe something in blizzard's own setting ig

[weak rune]

thank you

[cyan minnow]

idk never seen that before ill take a look

[tough portal]

It's danders bro

[ember folio]

In dg

[cyan minnow]

if i had to guess its bc of the crystal yea

[thorn plover]

h8r

[grizzled seal]

Tindral vibes

[tough portal]

Lmao I'm not hating I'm just telling em it's something james should fix on their end

Not blizzard's fault lol

[thorn plover]

lol ik just playin. i think im gonna set up a grid profile this weekend to match my danders

[weak rune]

Nah I didnt mean blizzard's fault, i meant blizzards settings

[bright swift]

very fun fight so far

really enjoying it

[grizzled seal]

I fucking hope so

After beloren

[bright swift]

why are you guys reclearing alleria lol

that's crazy

[grizzled seal]

Don't ask me

We also don't have a comp for beloren today so meh

[unique sedge]

I also dont know how to line my tree with intermission, i try to use swiftmend on cd but it doesnt line up

[flint void]

I'm looking towards future builds for when the druid's apex talent is buffed, something like this?

CkGA8cL7tpvige+kkmGM9zUPWPjxMLz2MmZGz2gZmxGWYGAAAAAAAAAAsNoZzMmmZM8AmlZmZmhhZGAAAAAAAMgttxGmmZWGAAgAWYMzgZGgmBAzMAgB

[thorn plover]

no

[flint void]

"no" isn't much to go on...

[thorn plover]

move embrace to MS on fights you need it

[flint void]

oh, you'd drop the reforestation?

[thorn plover]

phosy is gonna be huge with apex change

[grizzled seal]

You don't need MS on any fight

[thorn plover]

^

i agree

but i get yelled at when i say that

[bright swift]

I'm yelling

[thorn plover]

maybe lura

[grizzled seal]

Idk how you guys oom

[cyan minnow]

yeah looks like the combat log doesnt have the current health percent of the crystal so i cant really calculate how much cdr youre getting when cast on it lol

[bright swift]

No way you don't play it on Luura

[thorn plover]

10 min fight makes sense

everything else?

[grizzled seal]

I won't and I will also give away my innervate

Watch me

[proven phoenix]

I am playing ms

[bright swift]

I am playing ms

[thorn plover]

im on dragons

[tough portal]

I am playing pokemon champions

[bright swift]

this was my build for most of today

@proven phoenix

[thorn plover]

sexy

[proven phoenix]

I hate 1 point tv

but I suppose we cant do much there

[bright swift]

everbloom overhealing for 4%

omg

[grizzled seal]

He is going oom cuz he is playing 1 tv

[bright swift]

next week is gonna be so juice

[grizzled seal]

Tv is op

[thorn plover]

what do you drop for the 2nd tv

2 min convoke?

[bright swift]

how does TV help for mana lol

[thorn plover]

ick

[grizzled seal]

It just does

[short wing]

I think the last everbloom point is optional now if you want a second TV point

[bright swift]

now yes

next week i'm skeptical

[short wing]

Next week too

[thorn plover]

no chance

[bright swift]

we'll see :>

[short wing]

Photo gives more blooms than ever bloom 3

In general.

[bright swift]

it's close

let's see how much everbloom would have done next week

[thorn plover]

expand lb so i can see the blooms

[short wing]

Yea, it could be that everbloom becomes a monster and 2 TV isn’t necessary

[grizzled seal]

Isn't this kinda shit considering photo AND apex 4

Why are you playing this

[proven phoenix]

how do you sustain lura mana without ms

that fight has like 0 downtime

[bright swift]

because I wanted to get used to timings

[short wing]

Efflo is huge because of it too

[grizzled seal]

What does downtime have to do with anything lol

Idk man I'm playing without MS or source

And I'm doing fine

[proven phoenix]

ok fine I will try no ms

have it your way

we start lura on sunday

[bright swift]

Ok so using this log. New everbloom would have done 7.3M healing (5% overhealing)

instead of 3.4M

[short wing]

If you’re using abundance regrowths normally the mana should be fine on 7min fight

[grizzled seal]

@proven phoenix link your cpm on alleria

[tough portal]

But nobody is talking about swapping Photo for 4th point

[proven phoenix]

56

[thorn plover]

did you subtract for the new amount of blooms?

[bright swift]

yes

always do that

[thorn plover]

thats a lot of healing

wow

[bright swift]

yep

[short wing]

I use both right now.

[thorn plover]

still consistently lining up to be about 10% buff

[bright swift]

yep

[thorn plover]

every log ive checked works out to be about 10%

did you see no more NS convoke?

[grizzled seal]

How do you go oom with this

[bright swift]

photo blooms: 58
apex 4 blooms: 45

[thorn plover]

no shot you drop apex 4

[short wing]

How do you track that?

[bright swift]

so dropping apex 4 would result in like 8-9% healing loss

[hardy canopy]

litany hotfixed to not scale with damage amps rip

[bright swift]

you can see what procced blooms in analyzer

[hardy canopy]

can't win

[short wing]

Ah ty

[thorn plover]

so glad they gave our first litany trinket to our hpriest over me

[grizzled seal]

Wat

[short wing]

So next week it’ll be like 27?

[bright swift]

Wat

[grizzled seal]

There is no way it's that much

Just apex 4?

[bright swift]

why not

[grizzled seal]

That's with VI?

[bright swift]

yes

[grizzled seal]

Holy fuck

We are getting nerfed

[bright swift]

yeah

[bright swift]

i mean

you nerf it and we go back to playing no apex

so at that point you have to aura nerf

[thorn plover]

they took away NS convoke, thats enough nerf

[bright swift]

they what

[thorn plover]

yeah its fixed

[bright swift]

WHAT?

[flint void]

Yeah, i noticed, it's fixed, big sad

[hardy canopy]

on live rn?

[thorn plover]

yes on live

[hardy canopy]

lmao

[obsidian pivot]

Zzzzzzzzz

[proven phoenix]

lmfao what

thats such a strange nerf

well its barely even a nerf

[thorn plover]

"bug fix"

[bright swift]

does NS just not buff the regrowths anymore then or

[proven phoenix]

breaking muscle memory of always using ns before convoke is going to be so annoying man

fucks sake

[thorn plover]

yeah

[flint void]

i was meming around with trying out builds that skip NS

[bright swift]

You didn't have it macro'd??

[proven phoenix]

no man

[flint void]

everyone had it macro'd

[bright swift]

why the fuck not

[proven phoenix]

well clearly not

idk I like using ns for other things

[bright swift]

what

I have an NS+regrowth macro too

[thorn plover]

ns brez goes hard

[bright swift]

why can't you have both

[proven phoenix]

ok I guess I can have both

but I would rather just press it

[grizzled seal]

Didn't work today already

During raid time

[thorn plover]

im binding NS to regrowth all the time now

f it

else ill just forget to press it

[grizzled seal]

I didn't either

[hollow pond]

Does swiftmend pair with wild growth anymore or is it just using swiftmend then rejuv and swiftmend convoke?

[hardy canopy]

i didn't too cus sometimes it doesn't go off even with the nochanneling macro

[thorn plover]

no interaction with wildgrowth. rejuv and regrowth

not convoke

[hollow pond]

see i was told to use it then convoke as well >.> suns o guns

[thorn plover]

no that was natures swiftness

not swift mend

[flint void]

#showtooltip Convoke the Spirits
/cancelform [form: 1][form: 2][form: 3][form: 4][form: 5]
/cast Nature's Swiftness
/cast !Convoke the Spirits

this worked fine for me

[thorn plover]

doesnt do anything anymore

[pastel dragon]

so is it gonna be like real difficult to bring photo AND 4/4 apex in raid next week?

[echo kraken]

Someone please explain the first point to me... wtf does 25/50% mean?

[grizzled seal]

When did shadowlands release? Late 2020?

[thorn plover]

no you just drop refo

[hardy canopy]

📌

[thorn plover]

point 1 = 25%, point 2 = 50%

[flint void]

i know, i'm going to remove the nature's swiftness line from it. but having the cancelform in there is nice

[pastel dragon]

okay okay i see

[echo kraken]

thanks

[hollow pond]

why the ! before convoke?

[flint void]

that specific cancelform also doesn't force you out of tree of life

[flint void]

so pressing it twice doesn't cancel itself

it's a habit of mine

[hollow pond]

o sweet i never knew that....

[flint void]

a channeled spell set as
/cast !channeledSpell

means you can spam the button howmuch you like, you're not cancelling the active channel or starting it anew. it's more helpful for things like SCK on monk

[tidal lynx]

What does the build look like post 12.0.5?

[uncut mica]

You can take it next level, play tree and only really need ns for combat res

[hollow pond]

do we use natures swiftness for anything outside of convoke? i know it can pair well with regrowth but is it something we use?

[thorn plover]

scroll up not far

[thorn plover]

it doesnt work with convoke anymore

[flint void]

in some scenarios it can be helpful to swiftcast your res, it also doesn't work with convoke no more

[hollow pond]

o i thought that was the point of the macro

[flint void]

i had it bound ontop of my rebirth and my convoke, but i'm removing it from the convoke

[tidal lynx]

What about left side?

[thorn plover]

it was until today

[bright swift]

is there ever a world we send a sotf NS regrowth then

[thorn plover]

nothing changes there

[tidal lynx]

Oh okay

I thought we'd take boomkin stuff

[thorn plover]

in raid?

[flint void]

why?

[tidal lynx]

no in keys

[thorn plover]

oh those are raid builds

[bright swift]

key build is not changing

[thorn plover]

keys build stays same, drop all cat stuff for boomie stuff, done

[flint void]

Boomkin uses spells, spells use mana, shapeshifting to cat does not cost mana, and shred/rake/rip does not cost mana

[thorn plover]

you take ms

everything gives you mana back

[tidal lynx]

Which is ms?

[flint void]

cat gives more mana bank than boomie

[thorn plover]

ms makes boomie spells do more damage

[flint void]

HOTW cat spell + a finisher

[tidal lynx]

But the damage per mana spent will go up

[turbid tangle]

You shouldnt have mana issues if you’re using sotf correctly

No need to spec into ms

[tidal lynx]

It's like you have five gallons of gas that used to go 400 miles now go 500 miles

[thorn plover]

you take it as a damage talent now

[flint void]

always had been

convoke's random moonfire/wraths do more damage, give mana back too

[turbid tangle]

If you’re playing spell weave?

[thorn plover]

yes, which you should be come tuesday

[flint void]

i still prefer over 🦉

[tidal lynx]

Yeah but then youre not being a team player

[thorn plover]

me too but i play whats good not what i like lol

[turbid tangle]

Healer damage is negligible anyway, just play what you want

[flint void]

^

[turbid tangle]

Cat is nice for fluid form stun

[tough portal]

Tell any DPS player they can choose to do nothing or +40k dps

[tidal lynx]

I mean it will be a lot more damage

[tough portal]

Ask them fi its a negligible difference

[turbid tangle]

You doing 40k dps as resto??? Sheeeit

[sinful zephyr]

It will be less than 5k dps difference anyways. I guess like 2-3k actually

[thorn plover]

thats cap

[tough portal]

What is? Based on what?

[hollow pond]

so basically the play is swiftmend into rejuv, then continue rejuv to try and get 10-12 stacks spam regrowth, convoke before big damage, innervate almost always on cd (start at like 85% ish mana left) and tranq when I need huge raid heal

[tough portal]

It'll be closer to a 20k difference lol

[spark river]

playing keeper with doc in keys to pad those dps numbers

[flint void]

innervate is for other people.

[thorn plover]

this is my plan for meme keys lol

[tough portal]

With a 40% buff you can trivially hit current meme numbers without a meme build tho

I'm not saying people will do 70k in a real key ofc

[hollow pond]

thats the first time ive seen someone say to use on others, not yourself

not arguing just surprised

[turbid tangle]

Lol

[thorn plover]

im never giving away my innervate

[flint void]

Resto druids don't have mana problems

[hexed locust]

nerfing apex inc (=

[flint void]

my teammate holy paladin is dying of thirst

[turbid tangle]

We only really need innervate for Chimeraeus Lol

[thorn plover]

they nerf it then we just dont play it again

[turbid tangle]

9 min fight

[thorn plover]

what no you do not need it on chim

lol

[turbid tangle]

You raiding mythic chim?

[thorn plover]

yes

[turbid tangle]

Man

[thorn plover]

you can pug that shit

its a 6 minute fight

[turbid tangle]

Same, but I’m def having mana issues with that fight

[thorn plover]

what are you doing for 9 minutes

[hollow pond]

im not i suck right now thats why im stealing yalls theory to make me look at least mediocre xD

[flint void]

chim is like a 6:30 fight at the longest

[hardy ember]

Anyone know the %s for the r Druid nerf next week?

[pulsar kettle]

not a nerf

[thorn plover]

its not a nerf

[hardy canopy]

[turbid tangle]

Omg I was exaggerating guys hahahaha

It’s a LONG FIGHT*

[hardy ember]

I meant for m plus I guess sorry