resto

[quiet wyvern]

this is absorb

[iron fox]

What is absorb?

is it like shields but different?

[quiet wyvern]

negative healing shield on target

you must heal the absorb before you can heal the target directly

so if they get an absorb and a dot

[iron fox]

Okay understood!

[quiet wyvern]

they will take damage to their health

but your healing will first heal the absorb

which makes it a very dangerous combo

[bright swift]

Reinstall

[balmy spire]

Still great change, feels like a good aoe heal

[grizzled seal]

What the fuck did they do to everbloom again

Another BUFF?

Are they insane?

[bright swift]

no they changed it again to pre buff state

[grizzled seal]

To the way it is rn?

[native dew]

Hello resto druids. How do u see who to dispell on dragons boss? What addon u use

[echo oriole]

Question I see ppl use Verdant infusion over Prosperity, but Dreamgrove.gg has prosperity. Why is the site saying prosp but others are taking verdant?

[grizzled seal]

How is this pre-buff?

On live it cleaves on 2 players at 30%

[balmy spire]

Right now it's 30% to 2 players

We get 50% to 6 players

Big big increase

[grizzled seal]

Yeah I'm confused how this counts as pre-buff

[fickle barn]

I was told danders frames is good for that

[fickle barn]

Also dbm tells who gets feared

[grizzled seal]

Releasing everbloom in this state will make resto druid so overpowered you'd play 4x in raid

This is not going live as is

[slender gust]

I almost called Power of the Archdruid Memory of the Mother Tree yesterday and it gave me a little whiplash

That was so long ago now and it’s been PotA since talent trees like…brain? What?

[balmy spire]

There is no other way to fix the apex Talents imho

Maybe 40% and it's good

[quiet wyvern]

there is actually

you just change the target spell to rejuv and move numbers around

[past tusk]

I would also like to know this.. Which one is better in m+?

[marsh prism]

whichever, just be aware of whatever one you pick

[marsh prism]

dreamgrove resto talents are for quick offspec ref only

dont eat good hots if you take prosperity

refresh heaps of hots + your lb target if you take vi

[old pollen]

default frames show it fine

[slender gust]

Both good. I personally find prosp to be more forgiving, but I’ve had some experiences recently that have made me want to try VI again

[marsh prism]

im so tired

[fickle barn]

Do you need some specific settings? (asked about the debuffs earlyer myself) because I cant see the dispellable stuff for some reason.

[limpid jacinth]

Everytime you munch a HoT with Swiftmend, a puppy gets punted. Think of the poor puppies- run VI.

[boreal karma]

but its only bloom right

[old pollen]

I dont think so, this is how it looks for me

[slender gust]

Blizzard REALLY doesn’t want no Apex builds to exist, despite the initial sales pitch of “you can choose to use those points elsewhere,” I guess.

[plush spoke]

should we be swapping our lifebloom holder in m+ or do you just keep it on the tank?

[junior ginkgo]

Does anyone here struggle or forget to apply lifebloom if you're not playing the apex talents in raids?

[slender gust]

I very often keep it on myself, especially if I know the tank/know they’re gonna be fine without it, but just leaving it on the tank and keeping the 3 stack rolling is a safe bet

[graceful karma]

my healer friend says that using convoke after wildgrowth makes it so that convoke doesnt start channeling and it just goes on cd without doing anything

[limpid jacinth]

Swap it to someone who needs healing

[graceful karma]

any tips for her?

[slender gust]

LifebloomReminder addon

[junior ginkgo]

isnt' that addon the same as what you can do now in the CD manageR?

it's still not enough for me 🙁

[slender gust]

Hard to forget when TTS yells at you

[marsh prism]

no you should still be tracking it

you can also use m33kauras and customise however you want

[graceful karma]

what is it actually called

[past tusk]

I use LifebloomTracker addon which plays a sound when its about to expire

[slender gust]

Idk if it’s changed but last I knew, the addon existed because the CDM feature wasn’t working properly

[spark river]

Yeah to use wg before convoke

[marsh prism]

base cdm doesnt allow for pandemic sound

so yes you need an addon

[spark river]

Either she or a macro she has is interrupting that convoke

[graceful karma]

she says that is causing the convoke to just go on cd without channeling

[spark river]

thats not possible

[junior ginkgo]

this is true yes

[marsh prism]

get a /cqs macro

search /cqs in this channel

[graceful karma]

so its canceling from something

[spark river]

#showtooltip convoke the spirits
/castsequence [nochanneling,noform:1/2][nochanneling,known:24858,noform:4] reset=2 Nature's Swiftness, 5
/use 14
/cast Convoke the Spirits
/cqs

This is what i use

Never interrupted a convoke

[ivory glen]

So all the top keys this season are running Rdruid. Is it purely the healing profile or is there some other combination of factors that’s keeping them on top?

[slender gust]

I’ll have to check later cuz I’m not home, but if you search Lifebloom on Curseforge, a few different ones come up. The one I’m using just has the icon for LB as its picture

[spark river]

Healer with most hps in keys

Thats basically it

[waxen ingot]

You can heal any mechanic

Twice

[past tusk]

why are you using Nature's Swiftness before Convoke?

[spark river]

Buffs all regrowths in convoke

[past tusk]

oh rly? didnt know that

[slender gust]

Yeah all the regrowths get the buff without consuming NS.

And then you get to cast an instant Regrowth out of your Convoke

[past tusk]

good to know! thanks

[slender gust]

I don’t always sync them in keys, but definitely always sync them if you’re playing Convoke in raid

[past tusk]

another question, I dont like catweaving so I dps in moonkin form in m+. Is wildstalker still the better option then?

[slender gust]

Do the Regrowths cast from PotA inherit the healing buff from NS? I don’t actually know that answer

[slender gust]

Yes. Wildstalker has the better healing profile for 5 man even if you do 0 DPS

[ivory glen]

You even get some sunfire/moonfire damage out of WS if you’re committed to caster deeps

[plush spoke]

in m+ if you do no dps, is keeper of the grove better for pure healing?

[marsh prism]

no

[storm kettle]

No

[plush spoke]

ty

[storm kettle]

WS is better for smaller groups

[slender gust]

Scroll up literally 2 messages

[spark river]

reading is hard

[plush spoke]

u think im here to read?

[slender gust]

And yeah cat DPS is technically more if you’re competent, but I’m not competent, so I get more mileage out of pressing sunfire/moonfire and not thinking too hard about it. But healer DPS is less relevant than it’s been in a very long time, so who cares tbh

[graceful karma]

Thanks I’ll pass it on

[slender gust]

M+ much less fun now that healers do negative DPS, but I guess all the “I’m hErE to hEaL” people are happy now

[deft oar]

do these 2 work witheach other? do you have 3x lifebloom that also count for 3 stacks of mastery each?

[slender gust]

Number literally not big enough even when playing well for me to care about wanting to get better at healer DPS

[grizzled seal]

They are separate effects

[hollow pelican]

when you soul of the forest regrowth , do you get the bonus from natures bounty? Like will the 3 regrowths heal more?

[marsh prism]

this p1 fucking blows

[thorn whale]

hahaha

i think it's fine once u play it through a few times

but yeah it's not the best

[marsh prism]

i do not fucking like it

[storm kettle]

How much healing is unstoppable growth realistically? Worth dropping for photo (and improved SM)?

[zenith zinc]

I have a question, new to resto, but not druid....Everytime I enter incarn tree of life, my action bars disappear, I am using Bartender but the bars should not be hiding when going into the form...has anyone ever had this issue?

[storm kettle]

The bars in tree form should be the same as human form, it shouldn't act like cat/bear/moonkin. Sounds like a weird addon interaction

[tough portal]

Only resto druid is in this boat

We're the lowest damage healer

[ivory glen]

(M+) Between the Grove Guardian spawn and the extra mastery stack, is it often a good idea to cast WG when only one guy is taking damage?

[slender gust]

In raid, if we’re playing Master Shapeshifter, should we be using cat form for mana regen or just pressing Wrath/Starsurge?

[tough portal]

Use cat at least for Hotw

Other than that its same mana roughly

[slender gust]

Someone who’s probably a better healer than me is telling me that they have no mana issues in raid because of high ToL uptime. I’m feeling very gaslit by that statement because my experience has been me being thirsty. I’m getting an external and still ending a lot of bosses at 0 mana. Am I just managing my mana very badly?

Granted, my raid’s overall DPS is fairly low, so our fight lengths are…I don’t want to talk about it, but still

[storm kettle]

Put your logs in wowanalyzer. You probably run oom because you spam regrowth with low abundance stacks, or spam rejuvs when you should be using regrowths. You need to understand this talent and play around it in raid

[topaz pumice]

How do you guys approach the Mana boss (typically 3rd) in AA? Feels like it's going to be a problem when I get to 17's / 18's and it's probably just how I am approaching it. Damage pattern feels very spikey on the 3 person dot drop / explosion. I'm usually full hotting, moving the LB to one of the targets, and trying to hit a WG right beffore it drops

Any other tips?

[grizzled seal]

I'm playing without any external mana and without MS

[slender gust]

Noted. So I’m just mad because bad

[grizzled seal]

Also I think convoke is better for mana anyway

Tree is only better if you are mashing rejuvs which you shouldn't do atm

[warm cape]

hi all if i ve choice with two staff hast/mast and the back what do you take? I ve the crafted staff actually and i play boomi in offspec. Thx

[torn roost]

I think I'm starting to understand

[tidal sigil]

I have a feeling im sending too many rejuvs in m+ so i just wanted to hear what you guys usually do for setup. Imagine going into first pull or any pull with nothing already running. Is it "enough" to do a Sotf > rejuv > into regrowths? When im unsure of damage in a pack Im sending at least another rejuv(germination) on each but it might be better spend getting regrowths out faster :/

[limpid jacinth]

It’s not as scary as it was in DF, imo. Have everyone with a Rejuv on them, LB on someone who isn’t going to defensive, WG as close to the DoT portion happening as possible. Then SM and get a few regrowths in and you should be fine. If someone is low and the overlap is coming, send NS and/or Convoke.

[limpid jacinth]

If you’re trying to get double Rejuv on everyone, you’re doing too much.

[pastel yacht]

Guys, for resto, is mastery better than haste? In raids and dungeons?

[vivid owl]

Can someone explain pres to me in resto druid terms? I feel its like the old disc priest but yeah

[tough portal]

Hard to say, but I'd say not in raid, probably yes in m+

[topaz pumice]

Hurd -- close to what I'm doing. I think we also need to make ppl stay closer when they drop off... someone always OOR

I'm usually SM'ing before damage to spread double rejuv

probably wrong choice

[limpid jacinth]

how DARE you

[slender gust]

Interesting. Why is that?

[urban kestrel]

pres is like disc if bad dps and slow raid leaders cant grieef your ramps

me staring at salhadaar orbs waiting for them to explode

thank god atonement lasts like 20s now

[vivid owl]

oh sorry, i didnt specify! i meant in m+! hahahaha

[snow mulch]

yo guys new to resto what are some good crafts for resto

i have crafted weapon and back

would need a ring is it worth crafting one and wich shouldi craft

[stoic hornet]

Hey. How much of a nerf is this for m+ in 12.0.5? Looks really bad to me. Apex Talents: Everbloom rank 2/3 has been redesigned – When Lifebloom’s final bloom occurs, it heals all allies within 40 yards for 30%/60% of its healing amount, reduced beyond 5.

[main timber]

An absurd buff in all content types

[stoic hornet]

when it says final bloom

[main timber]

This starts to depend on your gear a bit. If you post it we can help

[stoic hornet]

it means with the talent too I guess

[main timber]

Yeah all blooms work. Photosynthesis, Apex4, refreshing in the last 4.5s etc

[stoic hornet]

ok thank you

[main timber]

But also they are changing this on PTR every day right now and the version you linked is already a bit out of date

[snow mulch]

does this work @main timber

[grizzled seal]

read what the current version is doing

also what you posted was already changed on ptr

[stoic hornet]

yes I am looking for new version now. Is this their way to make apex talent relevant in raid too?

[grizzled seal]

you can forget about this going live

[tidal sigil]

you got a link for the ptr change?

[grizzled seal]

if this goes live as is, druid will be 30% ahead of the next best healer and will be nuked into oblivion within 12 hours

wait until it's 2 days before release to discuss how this actually affects balance

[thorn plover]

gm

any apex changes today? lol

or are we on 50%/3 still

[stoic hornet]

I cannot find the new change people mention. The wowhead talent calc also has the one I linked which is 60% splash to all when final bloom

[plain steeple]

Last version was with hot healing included to be spread with Everbloom.

But I think 50% / 3 sotf blooms, yes.

[thorn plover]

they reverted that pretty quickly didnt they

[plain steeple]

Don’t know. I have missed some messages in here today. You were the last to post the apex changes several times. 🙂

[thorn plover]

i think it was back to the final bloom only 50%/3 blooms a couple hours after i posted that

[main timber]

The current apex state is unknown unless you're on PTR looking at it

[stoic hornet]

ok

just make us rank 1 🙂

[snow mulch]

can someone help me with what to craft?

[thorn plover]

2h weapon > chest if you didnt get myth haste/mast chest from vault

see the pins for crafting advice 🙂

[vivid owl]

does anyone know why my hots are randomly being replaced my numbers on my danders frames?

it can even go back to normal display when i leave combat

[spare sand]

are there some new changes to apex? dont see any patch notes

[thorn plover]

there arent any notes except the original one from a couple weeks ago and its changed a bunch since then

this is what it currently is

[white knoll]

Hello guys, I'm main boomie forced to switch heal on Vanguard MM. I've trouble getting a 100% uptime on lifebloom. In most profil on wclog, other druids tend to have perfect 100% uptime with a repeatable 12 casts through the fight. How do you guys refresh it without failing ?

[thorn plover]

LifebloomAlert addon on curseforge - reminds you to cast it in the pandemic window, and reminds if you if you have no lifebloom at all. options for sound or text alerts, as well as a mouse anchor

if youre running VI talent, your swiftmend should go into your lifebloom target as well for the extension

[white knoll]

which mean miself ?

[thorn plover]

sure if thats where you have it

[white knoll]

every druid cast it on themselves in this fight. Is there a particular reason ?

[slender gust]

That’s just kinda what you do in raid. It keeps you safe and lets you easily control Efflo placement

[white knoll]

Yea thats what I assumed

[thorn plover]

theres some rdruid tech on that fight with absorbs isnt there

[slender gust]

Tanks don’t usually need the safety of Lifebloom in raid, because whether they die or not is fairly binary. Either they go splat for their entire health bar and then some, or it’s fine

[slender gust]

I know in RWF, Rycn was forcing an absorb himself every set or something and then using Harmonious Blooming to juice it off himself super fast. So that might be what you’re referring to

[blissful goblet]

I am struggling to heal in raids, I feel like I am constantly throwing out hots and giving myself carpal tunnel and I am always lowest on heals

Ended up dropping from a heroic run last night after being called out on it

I feel super good in mythics

[oak garnet]

Gotta post a log but there are a lot of very common mistakes

[slender gust]

Try throwing your log in WoWAnalyzer. It’s very good/helpful

[thorn plover]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes

highly recommend checking this page out

@blissful goblet

[white knoll]

Can I throw one log too ? Other than low uptime on lifebloom and not using swiftmend on myself, I would like your opinion on what I'm wrong

[thorn plover]

sure

[slender gust]

U.S. RDruids are VERY spoiled with the depth of our WoWAnalyzer module. @tropic violet is goated

[thorn plover]

squids runs the wowanalyzer module

[white knoll]

Thank ! Here is our best pull on vanguard :
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xBJTvNkG7PngKHML?fight=27&type=summary

[slender gust]

Oh who’s running it changed?

[thorn plover]

squids has been since midnight

[slender gust]

I hadn’t looked. I just knew Sref had been running it forever

[thorn plover]

your regrowth count is quite low, and thus your natures bounty is quite low

wildgrowth and swiftmend casts are low

your cpm overall is a bit low

[slender gust]

Noted. So squids = goated. We’ve been so spoiled for so long. I’ve played other specs with much less supported WoWAs, and it’s always frustrating

[thorn plover]

make sure you are casting convoke with WG out

you didnt have a single WG for 4/7 convokes

same with tranq

[blissful goblet]

Yeah Ill grab one next time I can, that makes sense. sorry about that

[white knoll]

Thats an other issu, when I macro both together, my convok get cancelled 50% of the time

unless I macro a trinket use into it aswell

[blissful goblet]

thank you ❤️

[thorn plover]

wildgrowth not ns

[white knoll]

ho, sry

[thorn plover]

#showtooltip Convoke the Spirits
/cast nature's swiftness
/cast berserking
/cast Convoke the Spirits
/cqs

[slender gust]

Why is this important? Does Convoke still have the ability to cast old Flourish or something?

[thorn plover]

tranq with flourish talent yes

1 tick

[slender gust]

Is it the same tranq cast as the minor one in the Keeper tree?

[white knoll]

I do not have berserking, and
#showtooltip Convoke the Spirits
/cast nature's swiftness
/cast Convoke the Spirits

it breaks my convoke. Does /cqs at the end prevent that ?

[thorn plover]

its just 1 tick of regular tranq

[thorn plover]

yes that the cqs is cancel queued spell

[slender gust]

Does the KotG tranq also proc Flourish? I assume no

[thorn plover]

so if youre spamming into convoke and accidently queue something it cancels that

[white knoll]

aaah, I see why it was breaking

thank you for all your tips !

[slender gust]

I clipped my tranq like that on Tuesday. I’m tempted to put /Cqs into my tranq keybind because I got so tilted

[thorn plover]

no i dont believe so

[pastel dragon]

is it bad to just leave lifebloom on a melee in raid if youre not sure you can position yourself well for efflo on a fight?

[thorn plover]

no thats what you should be doing

[pastel dragon]

cool

[thorn plover]

no sense having efflo off in jupiter lol

[slender gust]

@grizzled seal Are you on Convoke for every boss or is it a fight by fight decision?

[grizzled seal]

I change my opinions on talents every week

[slender gust]

One of my friends is very on team “Just play whatever Torty is playing in raid.” And normally so am I, but I told her after looking at your logs that I don’t know if Torty knows what Torty is playing XD

Because every time I’ve looked at your WCL, talents changed

[prime thicket]

Is there a way to cast FR from caster form using fluid form im not seeing?

[thorn plover]

frenzied?

its 2 button presses to cast frenzied

[prime thicket]

Ye the bear heal

[spark river]

Let the damage hit you

free frenzy cast

[prime thicket]

So its always at least 2 GCDs?

[thorn plover]

yes

[prime thicket]

ok ty

[thorn plover]

i use this, then its 2 presses of the same key

however i dont even spec frenzied anymore

[prime thicket]

Just depleted a 18 SR cause i had nothing, but i think i would have survived with FR

2nd boss with beams

[thorn plover]

debatable

2 gcds is a lot there i think

i mean i guess if you precast frenzied right as the beam drops and instantly start healing

i could see it

[prime thicket]

Ye or just someone else soak w/e but you still need to see what you can change yourself for next time

[thorn plover]

definitely

[prime thicket]

FR also gives like 20% healin increase

[thorn plover]

yea

[slender gust]

You also get UV value from shifting Bear if that’s a thing you play, so maybe?

[prime thicket]

ye for sure

[thorn plover]

yep if you have UV there too helps

[prime thicket]

But would not shift into bear for that, beam is 12 sec and UV is 4 sec or 3 ?

Thats 2 much for a GCD

[tropic violet]

I retired

[slender gust]

I love UV and rarely leave home without it unless it’s a really low key. Comes in handy pretty often

[thorn plover]

4 but stays after you leave bear

gotta drop damage stuff to get all these defensive talents

lol

[slender gust]

What’s damage? We’re not allowed to do that anymore

[thorn plover]

fair point

actually dropping anything up top doesnt get you them anyways

[slender gust]

“HeAlErS hEaL” I hope all those people are happy now

The amount of whining I heard from casual healers about healer DPS being nonzero in keys the last few expansions really irritated me. Because now we can’t have nice things

[slow pasture]

So i should drop fluid form for UV ?

[oak garnet]

There's like 5 flex points in main druid tree that probably collectively make close to no difference how you pick them

And are largely personal preference

I think UV is a hard lock though for the interrupt and control. if you're doing 18s the ursine vigor is solid to live certain mechanics

[slow pasture]

Well i played it most of tww.

But well i guess i should drop 1pt from forestwalk or SR to get it without touching fluid form

[drifting timber]

does QeL sim like talents for healing out put like raidbots does for dps?

[spark river]

No

[drifting timber]

curious why we doneet take Harmonious Blooming in raid, dont the mastery stacks help a lot?

[spark river]

Play a couple of pulls without nd and tell us what are your findings

[drifting timber]

probably massivew Rejuv spam

[slow pasture]

Not only that

[bright swift]

harmonious blooming is also nearly useless

[thorn plover]

Forest walk is big for survival too, no?

[slow pasture]

It kinda is ye

[thorn plover]

id like to take 2 in forestwalk but you have to drop fluid form

which is probably fine

[haughty ibex]

noob question but is VI over prosperity just preference? isnt 2x swiftmend chargest just better with lb?

in m+ ^

[thorn plover]

entirely a preference point

[haughty ibex]

fair tysm

also randomass question, is anyone else having big problems with wowlogs/archon? like that it sucks up my entire memory and makes my browser crash:DD

[slow pasture]

Ye or drop innerv and go 1/2 fw / UV and fluidform

[plain steeple]

HB gives you somewhere around 6-11% more healing on your lifebloom target usually. (Depending on your mastery value and stacks).
ND is 35% more duration for all rejuvs and therefore frees up many GCDs that you can use for regrowths or other spells (or just other rejuvs for more abundance stacks).

ND is one of the strongest talents we have in the bottom section.

[slender gust]

Question: what do you do when your entire raid is bleeding out and you need to be spamming Regrowth. I feel like I’m always watching my Abundance drop like a rock during heavy damage, and Regrowth with low abundance is bad for mana, but people are dying. I think a lot of spot healing with low abundance is probably a culprit for my mana issues

[vivid peak]

trust the other healers and click rejuvs

[waxen ingot]

Time your ramps better

and you dont have to heal everything

Ramp - Dump and ramp again

[quiet wyvern]

if it happens consistently on the timing you're ramping, move your ramp earlier

if it happens randomly and you're assigned to heal a big mechanic, keep ramping

[slender gust]

This is probably the answer honestly. My instinct is to try and Do It All™️, but our healer core is stronger than it used to be, so it’s more reasonable to trust in coverage

[quiet wyvern]

throw an IB for the homies

barkskin to reduce overall healing req on the raid

if you don't have a big burst assigned with it later

[slender gust]

There are Certain People™️ that I am watching like a hawk perma because they don’t reliably help themselves, only sometimes.

[vivid peak]

posting a log would help to find out the reason why that is happening

[slender gust]

I’m raiding in an AotC guild at the moment while I look for a casual Mythic guild since my last attempt at that fell through due to irl bullshit

Assignments are not a thing that exist

[tired flame]

I've never understood why innervate is in the guides. I havent clicked that button in m+ in years

[slender gust]

I’ll post my farm logs later, because I played at least okay on farm this week. Prog night was a very off night for me this week.

[slender gust]

Last time I pressed Innervate in a key I think was Halls of Infusion third boss and even then I only talented it in that one dungeon because I felt safer having it

But there’s a lot of rot damage this season, so maybe as I get into higher keys it will be necessary? Idk Rdruid feels so mana efficient in keys

[plain steeple]

It can never drop if you use swiftmend.

Atleast not drop to levels where you wouldn’t spam Regrowth anymore.

[slender gust]

I mean sure 3 stacks is 3 stacks, but it’s still only 3.

[plain steeple]

But a rejuv lasts ~23s on average.

So you have 6 out all the time just by using sotf rejuv After swiftmend.

With VI you also keep 2 up, that need a single refreshment once per minute.

Convoke / tranq give you extra abundance stacks over time.

You will also apply some rejuvs here and there while you have to move. Or sometimes you might want it as a mastery stack on someone.

If you apply very very few extra rejuvs here and there, you will always have 10-12 up usually.

[slender gust]

Ok so I should look at my SM CPM and I may be over casting rejuv

[grizzled seal]

12 is hard to reach if you have less than 20 rejuv cpm

Between 10-12 is usually where you will be

Also I am convinced you need to extend at least some regrowths with tranq

Or your burst window is not gonna be that bursty

Rather start tranq at 8 rejuvs and 4 regrowths than 12 rejuvs and 0 regrowths

[plain steeple]

Yeah that’s right and also the same for convoke. Your NS regrowths do a lot of healing with natures bounty.

This here is one of my logs (just picked a random log of mine).
I try to cast the least possible amount of rejuvs.

My Regrowth is also cheaper and more healing than my rejuv.

[slender gust]

I also haven’t been on Convoke. I tried it on 1 or 2 bosses, but it felt super punishing if you made a mistake at all, because you end up desyncing with Refo and then everything is cooked

[grizzled seal]

You have 2 big bursts with reck pot per boss

Other than that you have zero burst really

Refo and convoke syncing is dead

[slender gust]

You’re using Reck pot and not mana? When do u use it? With tranq?

[grizzled seal]

Neither are doing real burst like they used to

[plain steeple]

I honestly don’t care about my refo at all. It’s awful to play around it with >5cpm of swiftmend.

[grizzled seal]

Yeah around tranq window

[bright swift]

Do you really think reck pot is better though

[plain steeple]

Reck pot is busted

What else would you use?

[bright swift]

I mean in comparison to int pot

[plain steeple]

Ah compared to int - don’t know about that tbh. Maybe Torty knows.

[grizzled seal]

Int pot is 3x less int than reck pot haste

[bright swift]

yes put reck pot dr's

[slender gust]

Oh okay, so it’s just send it when you can send it and treat refo as incidental value like when it got played in keys at the end of DF?

[grizzled seal]

Getting out more regrowths scales so hard

I tried int pot, didn't like it

[thorn plover]

i already dont take inner

[slender gust]

Does anyone have advice for timing keys with low ilvl in pugs? I know people who were doing 10s on fresh lvl 90s, and it’s almost certainly cope to say it’s because they had competent premade

[sick dust]

Is it possible for a macro to always target tank role?

[sick dust]

Or addon

[thorn plover]

set the tank as focus and macro your ability to target focus

otherwise no i dont think so

[sick dust]

Sadge I use focus to see important mob casts

[drifting timber]

What % of haste do you start to get DR?

[slender gust]

Really nice for Lifebloom now that we don’t have a kick to worry about focus target for

[plain steeple]

At 1380 stats iirc

[drifting timber]

This is good for raid so I don’t have to keep finding my health bar

[plain steeple]

Percentage depends on your form.

[thorn plover]

yeah thats how i handle lifebloom in raid

[plain steeple]

But you don’t care about that DR.

[thorn plover]

just download Mythic Dungeon Casts and you can see all of them in nice bars and who theyre targeting

[slender gust]

I just have my Lifebloom macro target @self if I don’t have a focus set

[thorn plover]

mine is @focus , or if i hold shift its at mouseover, if neither exist it goes self

[sick dust]

Will try that out ty

[slender gust]

For me it’s just if no mouseover, it’s @focus, and if no focus @me

[thorn plover]

yellow interruptable, grey not

[sick dust]

Is it possible for my lifebloom in cooldown manger to show any targets beyond me?

[drifting timber]

Can I get that macro?

[spark river]

damn thats a lot of frostbolts on you purr

[thorn plover]

yes, put it as a tracked buff or bar, instead of essential

[bright swift]

wait

@grizzled seal

Recklessness pots don't DR

or wait no didn't check the conversation to %

[slender gust]

My keybinding addon writes my macros for me, so idk if this is the most efficient way to do it, but this is the addon output

I should take the nomounted condition out of the macro. It was at one time useful, but it's been more of an annoyance lately

[grizzled seal]

yes they do

[abstract tulip]

does it let you target the monster from the info bars? or do you still have to search the pack?

[thorn plover]

thats a great question

[sick dust]

for me it doesn't show up in tracked buffs:

[thorn plover]

its probably possible because im pretty sure its just recreating nameplates @topaz sandal

[thorn plover]

take it out of essential in the other tabs first

i think

someone else had this issue ill see if i can find their post

at the bottom of the cdm, they had to change their profile to starter layout, then it showed up. assuming they changed back and it stayed but idk

[sick dust]

ah now it showed up but I cant drag it from tracked bar to tracked buffs

haha

[thorn plover]

maybe reload or restart lol

[sick dust]

might just put a timer on my phone thats more user friendly than what blizz calls UI

[undone linden]

Struggling last boss of Maisara during totem spawn and duration. Doing 18-19 anyone got any secrets or am I just bad on that fight 💀

Depleted 2-3 keys now cuz i literally fail to heal that whole part

[thorn plover]

youre in 18 and 19 youre not bad lol

literally top 0.1% rn

shits hard

[undone linden]

i meant specifically that fight

i struggle so much

[thorn plover]

the totem ticks are killing you there?

[proven phoenix]

theres a few ticks of the boss during totem aoe

you can either convoke there or bank a sotf regrowth

its kinda impossible to tranq

[undone linden]

It’s like right before totems and during totems there’s some crazy aoe

and a lot of movement

[proven phoenix]

yes the boss just pulses damage

and theres a shit ton of mvoement + getting pulled in

convoke is the easiest thing to do

but if I dont have convoke and personals are down I try and bank a sotf regrowth

like swiftmend into ns regrowth is usually fine

totems die fast enough

[restive jasper]

Damn it, MaxRoll, WowHead, Method, Maxroll... They all have different Trinket Duo for "best in slot", kinda boring. Wich one is the best ?! How to know ?!

[whole horizon]

hopefully your group is stacking all 3 and putting the boss on top as well

[proven phoenix]

best in slot is irrelevant

bis lists are useless and please stop using maxroll

[thorn plover]

QE trinket list

[undone linden]

i just pug but ppl also seem to use up all their defensives on the mini boss right before

[restive jasper]

QE ?

[thorn plover]

its how you sim healers

[undone linden]

so it’s like all on me and it sucks

[proven phoenix]

yes you just have to heal it

its hard

[whole horizon]

pugs dont realize how dangerous that move from the last Elite to the miniboss is

[thorn plover]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/
import your stuff and push the trinkets button. tells you how every trinket is weighted at each ilvl

[proven phoenix]

you have buttons you can press on the move

you just have to bank them

[restive jasper]

Thank you

[proven phoenix]

swiftmend, ns regrowth, convoke worst worst worst case you can wild charge to safety and tranq

play around cooldowns

[thorn plover]

top 5 for reference

[proven phoenix]

the tank never needs ironbark there so toss an ironbark

[undone linden]

would u keep LB on urself for that fight

[proven phoenix]

either me or a dps yeah

probably a dps

I dont really like lifeblooming myself most of the time

[whole horizon]

you can also beg your tank to not sprint ahead to the miniboss before the Elite is dead and trigger its pulsing damage, its way easier to heal that without defensives if you stay stacked and move together

[undone linden]

it’s like my 3Rd time depleting a grp on that fight and it just feels bad

[proven phoenix]

yeah its not easy to heal that boss is the hardest part of that key I think

but yeah

[thorn plover]

have you reviewed logs from people who have done it on 19/20?

[proven phoenix]

keep cds and stagger them properly

dont overload one totem with everything but also dont just go in dry

[undone linden]

i’ve tried looking for vods but i haven’t rlly digged deep

[whole horizon]

logs are best

check Damage Taken by Ability to see when totem damage happens, then correlate the time with the Druid's Cast Timeline and see what abilities they use to cover those events

[thorn plover]

this guy in this +20 on that boss was dpsing half the time

lol

[undone linden]

it’s a lot happening same time and after it’s pretty chill

i’ll just have to play better

[proven phoenix]

yes the boss does nothing and then he slams you with a shit ton of damage on totem spawn

u just have to learn the pattern

but like I said you have tools

dont use everything in one go but also dont try and natty heal everything

[thorn plover]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/39tHnWCmY2FRaAkL?fight=20&type=healing&pull=13&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24casts%241%240.0.0.Any%24251047.0.0.NPC%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%241252777&source=1

[wise galleon]

Is there some secret setting that in raids grid2 doesnt let me see raiderio of players that i have unbeknownst checked or is raiderio bugged lately?

[thorn plover]

happens in danders too, its related to inspecting people being blocked in certain conditions

[gentle nova]

@thorn plover is there a way to see innervate/spatial active on you

[thorn plover]

innervate shows in base cdm

not sure if its someone elses

spatial probably not

could maybe do it with some educated guessing but it would be performance heavy

[proven phoenix]

It does

Someone else’s innervate also shows in base cdm

[oak garnet]

My guess is dps are burning personals on approach to miniboss and don't have buttons for totems when boss starts

Trade voke for totems and keep bloom on you or a squish dps who gets lept on. Like others have said it's not a bad time send a pota ns rg

[balmy spire]

wow nerfed apex again

25% to 6 people 😄

oh wait its rank 1 😛

[inland flax]

Anybody know how to display healing absorbs in grid2 (for example crown heal absorb debuff or xalatah +10 heal absorb)

[torn roost]

🙄

[bright swift]

regrowth

[rustic copper]

he's beginning to believe

[bright swift]

that's normal

[livid hearth]

Simmar first time for upgrade finder in qe live

does & mean more than 1 % better and less than 1% worse?

[amber escarp]

I dunno how, but this happened

I guess that's my loot budget for the tier

[thorn plover]

very nice

[slender gust]

Relatable. My first few vaults have been very kind to me. It’s all downhill from here

[thorn plover]

i wouldnt even be able to use that rn, it would make me mastery top stat

then RIP reckless pot

[amber escarp]

I think i can barely make it work

[slender gust]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nrkPc2MCjzVaX46f?fight=last&source=4&type=summary

yes, I know my CPM/ABC is low. That’s not what I need feedback on. Can someone look at this H Chimaerus log and see where I’m bleeding out mana? I was really struggling to sustain for the entire fight, and that shouldn’t happen.

[low yoke]

I’m ilvl 240 with random gear.

So far it seems Delves are the best source of loot.

I did a T8, but as a resto Druid, what’s the best Delve to grind for easy higher tiers to get loot?
Fast / Easy is the goal

[west scarab]

When do you guys find the best time to use Vaelgors Stare?

[proven phoenix]

on tranq

on cd between tranq

well after tranq most likely

[slender gust]

You want to be doing the bountiful delves with keys for good loot

[proven phoenix]

talent hotw and start using it on cd if mana is a problem

you need to keep in mind that the boss took 10 minutes on heroic

that is not normal

it took us less time to kill it on mythic

use regrowth more as well

[low yoke]

Okay, so far I’m flying between those and doing them.

Do you respec or stay resto? I find it easiest to heal valeera and she acts as dps

[spark river]

mythic chimaerus being 6:30 while heroic being 10 minutes is kinda funny

[haughty ibex]

yessir, in statuses - heal absorbs then make an indicator for it

[bronze meadow]

bear is super op tbh

[slender gust]

That’s what I was thinking, but Torty was talking about not needing mana pot, no MS, and no external mana, so I’m using a LOT of crutches and still running dry, so I assume that indicates I’m doing something very wrong rotationally, yes? Especially given my low CPM, because if CPM is low, I should theoretically be under spending mana, no?

[spark river]

Torty plays druid for 20 years

You cant compare yourself with torty lmao

[inland flax]

thank you!

[low yoke]

I don’t have a separate gearset yet, would it make sense to have a Delve Guardian Spec with the resto gear?

[proven phoenix]

ok that is just not a good mindset to have

[slender gust]

Bear with healer valeera is SUPER easy and brain off

[haughty ibex]

if u need help feel free to dm me dont wanna flood the chat

[proven phoenix]

you have to put things in context as well

[bronze meadow]

you can do bear with any gear tbh

[spark river]

Fully being ignorant is not the right mindset i agree

Its more like using his experience to learn

[slender gust]

Just use whatever agi weapon you can get and yolo it

[spark river]

Rather than straight up compare right now

[proven phoenix]

either way yeah if you are spending 10 minutes on the boss you have to find some downtime

you cannot indefinitely keep mana

while also healing

thats just not how the game works

[low yoke]

Alright, sounds like yall agree on it, I’ll go Guardian Delve then! Any particular build that’s more efficient? Haven’t looked that much into it yet, so far it looks like there are different tweaked specs for everything

[proven phoenix]

the best way to conserve mana without using ms or mana pots is just regrowthing more

[slender gust]

I agree that a full comparison makes very little sense, but if he’s using literally nothing, and I’m throwing the kitchen sink at my mana bar and getting Vate from my bear, that at least feels like a LOT

[bronze meadow]

lowkey I’ve been healing 16s with kotg but I’m wondering if the other one is better.

Is it better even if you don’t get a lot of rips off on mobs and apply the vines or?

[slender gust]

And if I can get away with less, that would help. Our other HPriest (not the one in that log, she was sick) has big mana issues and wants Vate

[proven phoenix]

wildstalker dps is irrelevant for the decision between kotg and ws

ws is a lot of healing

[vivid owl]

what setting needs to be activated in dandersframes to see the dispel on the chimaerus boss? they arent appearing at all for me

and i see all other dispels

[slender gust]

I don’t see them on base frames either. Is that intentional?

[tiny gate]

guys, could someone explain to me what "last bloom" means (regarding apex changes in 12.0.5 )?

[plain cedar]

Is there a link to apex changes for 12.5

[tacit shadow]

have they fixed so we cant pre stack reforestation?

[proven phoenix]

you should be able to see them on any frames

its just a private aura dispel

[pulsar kettle]

yes

[haughty ibex]

i legit cant find it, if can anyone send it please 🙏

[pulsar kettle]

there is no link

[empty agate]

master shapeshifter is just a troll talent on vanguard ig

[pulsar kettle]

blizzard isnt doing changenotes for it

its been changed on ptr multiple times in the past week.

[haughty ibex]

so where are we seeing this

[pulsar kettle]

on ptr.

[vivid owl]

yeah it doesnt show up for me on that boss

[proven phoenix]

im not sure, thats never happened to me but I also dont use danders

im ngl u are like the 17th person to say they cant see something on danders

does not fill me with confidence for that addon

[slender gust]

Is that different than a normal dispel somehow that it would look different on my frames? It doesn’t do the standard glow/recolor thing. Is there something different I’m supposed to look for?

[proven phoenix]

yes it wont do glows

you just have to watch for the debuff

actually chimaerus might not be a private aura anymore I think they changed it

so it will do glows if u have those enabled

regardless not being able to see them is awful

[naive chasm]

I find it interesting a lot of the top M+ resto druids seem to be running sunfire and boomkin form

[slender gust]

That’s such a stupid thing to make a private aura then. We’re wired to expect a very specific thing for dispel mechanics. Why would they do that??

[livid hearth]

did i understand right?

[bronze meadow]

doesn’t the vines on enemies help with healing? haven’t read it fully in a while

[proven phoenix]

no

efflo regrowth and wild growth have a chance to grow blooms on allies

that is what helps with healing

and those blooms are insanely strong

a single bloom is a 20% healing amp excluding mastery and the healing from the hot itself

[uncut hedge]

do i have to do dmg as wildkeeper?

and can i do all heal spells as moonkin?

[proven phoenix]

please read 3 messages up

[vivid owl]

What is the dispel called on chimaerus? So i can make a private aura

[slender gust]

Is there any utility in paying attention to who does(n’t) have a bloom on them?

[proven phoenix]

consuming miama is the debuff name

[uncut hedge]

this would be good to know

[proven phoenix]

yes

I like seeing blooms

people without blooms take noticably less healing

[cyan minnow]

can you even track blooms? i thought it was secret

[proven phoenix]

yeah I can

[grizzled seal]

[slender gust]

No it will shift you to human form

[proven phoenix]

am I using some forbidden tech to show blooms bceause this is the same setup as last season

I didnt change anything for those

[uncut hedge]

ok so for m+ if i play wildstalker

its not necessary to do dmg?

cause i dont know when i should do dmg xD

u have to constantly heal

[haughty ibex]

when u can

[thorn plover]

blooms arent secret

[cyan minnow]

it wasnt on the list of unsecreted buffs idk

https://www.wowhead.com/news/many-healer-spells-no-longer-secret-aura-n-midnight-launch-380525

[gentle nova]

Gave you back 70% of a mana bar

[thorn plover]

look under aug evoker

[gentle nova]

You wouldve been oom by min 6

[cyan minnow]

i thought they just also had a spell called that lol

[thorn plover]

do they?

[slender gust]

Damage doesn’t contribute to your healing. You do it in downtime when people aren’t in danger. There will always be times when you don’t need to be healing, and identifying those windows comes with dungeon knowledge and doing an efficient healing rotation

[cyan minnow]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=410685/symbiotic-bloom

[thorn plover]

well then nvm

danders tracks it too tho, not sure how

found it

march 13 notes

https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnight-hotfixes-for-march-13th-marl-decor-cost-reduction-class-bugfixes-and-380785

[cyan minnow]

classic

[haughty ibex]

i dont think grid2 displays them

[thorn plover]

there is a pic about 10 lines up of it displaying them

[haughty ibex]

isnt that danders

[cyan minnow]

you have to manually add 439530 to grid2

[proven phoenix]

it is not danders I use grid

[cyan minnow]

im tracking them now on my grid2

[proven phoenix]

I am not touching that danders addon with a 10 foot pole

[cyan minnow]

type in 439530

[haughty ibex]

makes sense ty

[proven phoenix]

this is my list from legit last xpac

[thorn plover]

i havent had enough issues yet to go through a grid setup, but its sure on the back of my mind

[naive chasm]

what's wrong with danders?

[thorn plover]

its actually been super stable for me, and this last release with all the performance fixes has made it really good

[naive chasm]

I went with grid2 personally but just curious

[cyan minnow]

performance is worse than grid2 supposedly

[proven phoenix]

well it also just breaks

lmfao

[thorn plover]

i doubt that since this last patch

but maybe

[proven phoenix]

I have heard non stop complaints about things randomly breaking

[cyan minnow]

i anecdotally noticed an increase in fps when swapping to grid2 this week but idk it all seems made up

[thorn plover]

ive yet to have anything randomly break honestly

and ive been on it since beta

[naive chasm]

I used to use vuhdo and jesus grid2 is so much better now I swapped

[cyan minnow]

the 20% healing increase from symbiotic bloom doesnt stack right? like 3 stacks doesnt mean 60% right

[proven phoenix]

it does but in multiplicative I think

[vivid owl]

how is the neck from alleria? the haste mastery shadow proc

[proven phoenix]

it was something weird

[cyan minnow]

oh interesting

[thorn plover]

i havent tracked blooms,do you actually play any different based on who has a bloom?

[slender gust]

Vuhdo’s Windows 95 looking UI scared me away from it lol

[proven phoenix]

no I just like knowing who has them

like its very noticable when u heal someone with blooms vs not

[thorn plover]

yeah makes sense

[proven phoenix]

its the best neck in the game

for this spec

[cyan minnow]

wouldnt multiplicative be more than 60%

[proven phoenix]

lord knows I know that back in undermine when we actually played ws in raid 4 stacks used to be like 70% or smth

@main timber do u know

[thorn plover]

1.2 * 1.2 * 1.2

is more than 1.6

[gentle nova]

Its additive

[thorn plover]

so 60%

[gentle nova]

Yeah

[empty agate]

but that gave me TOO MUCH mana back. if i play MS like that i need to innerv another healer. for reference i didnt have any source of magic either and i played recklessness pot

i could have given 3 inners if i ended the fight with 35% mana at 7 min

[gentle nova]

You activele used ms tho

Just leave it be and it will give you mana just from voke

Cast more healing spells instead of dps spells

[empty agate]

i just like catweaving idk

[gentle nova]

Thats a gain

[empty agate]

like theres nothing happening for the first 30 sec i could even do a dps convoke instead

i did when i didnt play apex

[gentle nova]

Okay sure but we are talking healing optimization here

[empty agate]

but no apex i had mana issues, apex + swiftmend myself no mana issues

[gentle nova]

And whats the best to do the most healing

[main timber]

It's additive, you just get stacks * 0.2 + 1

[tawny laurel]

Do I have to kill hc crown to get hc crown items in vault or are they in the pool no matter if you killed her or not

[thorn plover]

have to kill ofc

[pulsar kettle]

you need to kill her.

[south inlet]

My hpala is telling me he needs my innervate, is that normal/good for them?

[thorn plover]

are you resto

[south inlet]

yes ofc

[thorn plover]

tell him to fuck off

[vital linden]

Toxic paladin

[thorn plover]

send him this and tell him no

[thorn whale]

I mean

do you think he as a player will make better use of it

than you will

[south inlet]

Thats what i told him, fuck that guy

[thorn plover]

in all honesty, yes its good for him

lol

but its good for you too

[south inlet]

he says he ooms healing habsorb on paladins without

[thorn plover]

so what donby said, whos gonna use it better

[south inlet]

i will keep it then

fuck that guy

[thorn whale]

like if ur ending the fight on 50% mana

[thorn plover]

paladins is a fight where he probably gets it idk

[lament river]

Is it still armory we see other peoples charactors ? its seems so old and transmorg is not updated

[thorn plover]

like see how they look?

im pretty sure all the sites show the same thing, i think its based off of slot 1 transmog

no matter which one you have active

[lament river]

Yep how they look - armory just shows 1 transmorg wich is your "first transmorg"

[thorn plover]

yep

[lament river]

is there others ?

[thorn plover]

all the other sites just pull from armory

[empty agate]

sure and i am pretty sure my 7k cat dps was completely useless. i didn't really see i had so much mana since i went from no apex to apex for the last 6 pulls

when i progged no apex i had mana issues so i had to catweave a bit

[thorn plover]

why did apex/no apex change your mana usage

[empty agate]

cause i went from random swiftmend to only swiftmend myself

with 1-2 rejuv

like swiftmend for healing vs swiftmend for abundance

[thorn plover]

playing VI?

[empty agate]

idk how that makes 20% mana i might do something different

yes VI

[slow smelt]

my fucking hand hurts after beloren fight man

[thorn plover]

arent you always SM your LB

[empty agate]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8BMjK1xVZChv2QRF?fight=9&type=healing

i did some mistakes in the fight

(as everyone i guess)

[thorn plover]

why is NB so crazy low there

[fickle garden]

I didn't need to be reminded of how awful my main is today

[thorn plover]

quick shut down the discord

[fickle garden]

i come here for safety and i find sadness

[empty agate]

i have no idea how to play with NB lmao

[fickle garden]

[peak charm]

https://tenor.com/view/mane-im-dead-gif-17125533328470459107

[thorn plover]

i mean you just spread regrowth lol

[empty agate]

i mean

i am not used to play with NB

[fickle garden]

i mean, innervate probably the most effective on a holy paladin yes

[waxen ingot]

damn i really griefed not playing apex here

[empty agate]

but tbf i had similar hps with no apex

we just progged 6 heals

and swapped to 5 heal and instantly downed it

6 heal was the issue

[waxen ingot]

Yeah im looking at your mana

[empty agate]

the apex talent did nothing but helped with the healing absorbs

and mana

indirectly

[waxen ingot]

I was giga bad with mana

i was 0 at like 6:30

[empty agate]

i can get a log from thursday for reference

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/znVNrk7jMGmWpxT1?fight=29

this was our best pull from thursday

with no apex

and 6 heals

[waxen ingot]

yeah your mana chart is legit a copy of mine

[empty agate]

i also had 30 more regrowth cast compared to todays log

[thorn plover]

more reg should mean more mana saved

but if you arent SM your LB target, why even play VI

seems worse but i might just be wrong

[empty agate]

i never talented prosperity once in my life and never will

i just don't like it

[pastel yoke]

hey guys and gals im kinda new to restro healing and i got a question. ive been healing a few normal dungeons and some restro healer without a set heal more then me even though i got a 2 piece and im playing wildstalker with apex talents am i doing something wrong couse when i look at others there player keeper of grove without apex

[empty agate]

even if prosperity becomes meta i'll still play VI my beloved

[grand herald]

Anyone playing keeper with no apex in dungeons is trolling

[pastel yoke]

so wildstalker with apex in dungeons but in raids??

[grand herald]

In raids you use keeper

[pastel yoke]

with or without apex?

[grand herald]

Up to you

Without apex requires better fundamentals

[pastel yoke]

cosue i looked at liquid and echos for example they had no apex on their kills but ins mythic ikik

[grand herald]

Well they have good fundamentals

[pastel yoke]

thats what i though for raids with keeper

[grand herald]

That's not a great build

[pastel yoke]

then show me a better one pls

[grand herald]

Wowhead

[gusty meteor]

Guys I need to ask a question

I havent played resto since last expansion, who do I lifebloom now? is it the tank?

[grand herald]

in raid i just LB myself

[gusty meteor]

in m+

i emant

meant*

[grand herald]

i keep it on whoever needs healing

not necessarily constantly switching

depends on the damage profile

but if its a boss or pull that the tank doesnt take any damage on, ill use it on a dps

or if i can predict a dps getting hit with a mechanic

[pastel yoke]

can i assume that when i play Keeper in Raid with Apex is more when im newer and without Apex if im more experienced with a better group ?

[thorn plover]

you should read the wowhead talents guide

[slow pasture]

Love so much that one

[pastel dragon]

on the last boss of WS in +15/16 or higher do you find it necessary to clear stacks outside of bullseye blast?

[hardy canopy]

you should clear stacks after clearing puddles if that's what you're asking

[pastel dragon]

ok yah thats what i mean, thank you

[uncut hedge]

do i have a kick?

[thorn plover]

no

[untold perch]

Is it best to let lifebloom drop then reapply? or wait till it has like 1 second left to reapply?

[thorn plover]

reapply below 4.5s

[fervent mica]

under 4.5

[thorn plover]

you dont lose any of that time below 4.5s, its added to the new duration

and it still blooms

[thorn whale]

damn this fight is fun

[untold perch]

ok cool. I was really trying to watch it today to see what made a difference.

[pastel dragon]

also in WS, I got one shot by the Phial Toss from Fervent Apothecary, am I missing some visual cue to dodge? felt like it just happened

[haughty ibex]

ye is avoidable

is green circle on groud im p sure

[pastel dragon]

ok thanks. probably missed it in the moment

[grizzled kayak]

Found myself casting so many more regrowth than others in the same key. also reju healing like 5m less, If i reju more I would oom. It feels like if i don't regrowth that much is hard to keep everyone alive. I try to keep improv rejus at all time. regrowth thing remains a mistery to me, happens every key.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/L6qjFGKNRvMC3xB7?fight=16&type=healing

[thorn plover]

that looks like an appropriate amount of regrowths

[grizzled kayak]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hf1PW2x93Vp4zTgN?fight=8&type=healing&source=1

[thorn plover]

i mean you cast like 200 more healing spells than him in the same dungeon and ended up with the same amount of healing done

seems like a case of not trusting your hots to do work

[untold perch]

lol I was trying to get my numbers up

[tough portal]

The number is large

Quite large

[wise seal]

are there any addons that have an audio cue for when lifebloom is >3.5sec? im new to healer and i keep letting it fall off

[thorn plover]

LifebloomAlert

[untold perch]

the tank stood in every single thing possible at every single second lmao

[wise seal]

tyty

[hybrid imp]

Could anyone look at my raid logs and tell me what am I doing wrong? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ragnaros/daryonn?difficulty=4

I feel like I am constantly pumping out everything I can and my performance rarely goes higher than 30-40, I must be missing something.

I tried apex builds, no apex builds I am a little lost

[thorn plover]

you arent pushing enough buttons, your cpm is very low

swiftmend cpm is just over half of what it should be

[hybrid imp]

Does that count mouse actions as well? Most of my stuff is from mouse

[thorn plover]

yes

its spells cast

[hybrid imp]

And I feel like I am always casting

[gaunt willow]

Swiftmend and wildgrowth cpms are very low

[thorn plover]

looking at your highest NK log, your cpm is 39 the other druid in the group is 50.4

you are going multiple seconds at a time without casting anything

[hybrid imp]

I see, thanks! I ll try to keep those more on CD

[untold perch]

didn't realize it auto setup and the voice gave me a jumpscare lol

[sleek whale]

Hey guys, is the Apex Talent going to be strong enough for Restoration Druids to be viable in raids once 12.0.5 comes out?

[whole horizon]

i wouldnt call 4.2 cpm on WG low, especially if the incoming damage doesnt require it

most people outgear heroic now and there's very little reason to spam it on CD. it's also a bad habit.

[rustic copper]

If you have mana you should spam it

[pulsar kettle]

itll be mandatory

[thorn plover]

rdruid is already very viable, but yes the apex (in current ptr state) is a big buff

[rustic copper]

Is rdruid viable in raid

[sleek whale]

[thorn plover]

idk are you raiding

[whole horizon]

idk there was only 1 rdruid in the world 1st kill, doesnt seem viable to me

[sleek whale]

👍

[rustic copper]

Casually

[young ferry]

How is the new Apex in m+ compared to now?

[thorn plover]

its a buff all around

its unlikely it stays the way it is, or we get some other kind of nerf to compensate

[pulsar kettle]

who knows tbh

[grand herald]

theyve been constantly tuning it

so they are aware its problematic 😛

[pulsar kettle]

dev dh is getting a big buff in .5 lmao

[sleek whale]

Yeah, I am raiding. Sorry if my English is a bit off, I'm using a translator to chat right now

[split light]

if a person is deadset on owlweaving in m+ for its primary dmg, is it better to play kotg or is wildstalker's symb blooms a big enough deal that its still better off to continue as wildstalker regardless if you are catweaving or not

[rotund geode]

im new to resto druid if there is some insight or advice from that ill be willing to take it, its from a +10 AA with a very casual group where everything went fine

[grand herald]

you play wildstalker for healing

we are healers, our choice of talents focuses on healing, not damage

[thorn plover]

hard to judge anything from this, especially in a 10 where everything went fine

[rotund geode]

i figured but i just reinstalled logs and i was keen to learn so i tried

xd

[thorn plover]

seems like a lot of rejuvs, but not necessarily wrong

[cerulean stratus]

how much is a ug point again

1%?

[rotund geode]

i kinda spam rejuv in the downtime if i cant go to dps or am a bit scared because i dont know the upcoming damage input

[thorn plover]

WS is better regardless of what way you choose to do dps

[tranquil crystal]

yeah i actually dont use any apex in raid rn

[thorn plover]

completely fine, you will learn the dungeons and be able to optimize as you progress

[tranquil crystal]

but that will more than likely change once patch hits, i use apex in keys though

[grand herald]

thats pretty normal

[thorn plover]

if they push an apex change that makes us continue to not use apex, they need to hire a new class dev

[tranquil crystal]

[granite sparrow]

MinMax question:

• how do you guys use our hots layout on raid?
  Checking wowanalyzer sometimes i overwrite regrowths/rejuv because in 20 frames sometimes i don't notice they have it, is there a nice way to check more easily?
• How can i make the reflorestation stacks more noticeable?

[grand herald]

you can use some form of frames addon which puts hots in static locations

second one is personal preference

[granite sparrow]

i'm using danders and it does that

[grand herald]

then yeah thats about it

[whole horizon]

around 1.5% per point

[thorn plover]

for reforestation you can use something like arcui to make a nice bar to track them. this is how mine looks

[granite sparrow]

then is there a way on danders to instead of using the spells icons just using squares with colors? i remember to have that on grid2, it's less information on screen i think

[granite sparrow]

wow that's dope

[thorn plover]

yes there is in danders

when you make an indicator, click square instead of icon

[granite sparrow]

HOLY you're the goat, thank you so much

[granite sparrow]

is there a way to change my current ones to not have to configure it from 0?

convert*

[thorn plover]

lemme check

should be able to hit add indicator, push square, then the spell you want. then click the copy settings from

[hallow jewel]

if anyone is kinda enough to have the time. could they check out my friends logs. theyre not sure what theyre doing wrong. they keep running oom super quick. its the druid "East".

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gjDbKxatvfRByh3W?fight=10&type=healing

[thorn plover]

they need to push more regrowth. like a lot more

1:1 rejuv to regrowth

and press swiftmend

2.8cpm is like half of what it should be

[granite sparrow]

tried that, the square indicators don't recognize the icon indicators

[thorn plover]

also, lifebloom uptime is under 10%, it needs to be north of 90%

they are at "read a guide" level of play

[hallow jewel]

thank you!

yeah they seem to have a ton of mana issues

[thorn plover]

yeah because they press nothing but rejuv

lol

[cerulean stratus]

and photo if u count verdancy?

2%?

[whole horizon]

no clue, i haven't played photo yet

[cerulean stratus]

debating between 2p ug and 1p photo and 1p imp sm on alleria

[granite sparrow]

How do i make rejuv + germination both on, for example, bottom right? they are staying on top of each other instead of a line

or do i just manually add an offset?

[whole horizon]

manually add an offset

add/subtract the icon size from X-coord and add a few px of padding

[granite sparrow]

thank you

[spark river]

[thorn plover]

🫂

[tidal lynx]

The difference in difficulty for RDruid ,now that ive done raid and some keys, vs other healers is quite immense

It’s almost like it’s a different game

[whole horizon]

too real

i feel like i get by on monk with just vibes

on rdruid if i'm not mashing keys furiously then i'm automatically behind

[fervent mica]

other healers got pruned... rdruid is just the same

[whole horizon]

monk is the same tbh

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-baby-gif-3751544875622573748

[whole horizon]

they streamlined a few interactions and overall it feels way more forgiving

[fervent mica]

monk in keys^

[whole horizon]

i mean fair

they never should have buffed way of the crane

but the kit/talents are all basically the same with a few minor changes

[pastel dragon]

on heroic lu'ra does tree feel better than convoke?

[fervent mica]

tree never feels better

[whole horizon]

idk about heroic tbh

[fervent mica]

hero was just vibes...

[whole horizon]

i think the main draw of ToL is mana, which you wont ever run into issues with in Heroic

[forest pollen]

Hey guys, just started playing midnight about a week ago and now that im 90 im wondering what in the wildstalker tree makes it so much better then keeper. I would rather have the caster side of the tree (Moonkin sunfire etc) cause that fits my playstyle more. Am I missing out on anything huge by playing keeper instead of wildstalker?

[fervent mica]

healing

[gentle nova]

Yes, healing

[cerulean stratus]

do u guys know if hof is based on region resets

like if it doesnt close for na on a tuesday

but it closes on the tuesday night

if it stays open for eu on the wednesday

[whole horizon]

isnt hof region specific?

[forest pollen]

So even if I don't use cat form I should still roll with wildstalker

[whole horizon]

and it closes when 200 guilds clear?

[gentle nova]

Yes

[cerulean stratus]

that hasn't been the case for 1000 tiers

[fervent mica]

in 5 man content, yeah

[forest pollen]

appreciate it

[cerulean stratus]

hof is top 200 world

[whole horizon]

but it still closes when 200 guilds complete...

[fervent mica]

it doesn't close until the end of the week it fills

[cerulean stratus]

ok but if hof persists on a tuesday night after the na reset

does it persist for eu aswell

[fervent mica]

which is why theres a billion "hof" chim chim guilds

[gentle nova]

It doesnt close until blizzard says it closes

[rain oyster]

na reset is the deadline for it to close. It has to be 200 until then otherwise it stays open for the next week

[cerulean stratus]

ok so if its open on tuesday then eu also gets another reset

cool

[rain oyster]

y

[fervent mica]

unless they decide to do it some other way randomly. B lizard will blizzard

[gentle nova]

Why u care about fake hofs

[rain oyster]

or what mattiu said and they forget about it and it stays open for one more week

[cerulean stratus]

being 200-250 is mid fake hof

if u get hof with 300

then that's omega fake

[gentle nova]

Hof is lura kill

[cerulean stratus]

ah u meant

end of tier

[gentle nova]

Yeah this 3 raid shit is dumb

[whole horizon]

thats why i dont get what youre asking

if youre not in top 200 youre not hof, even if it remains open for another reset

[gentle nova]

Hes on crown so he prolly wants crown hof

[rustic copper]

hall of shame

[granite sparrow]

here, how do i make my "2/4" a number like your's "3? i tried on this menu but putting top etc doesn't change anything, am i in the wrong place? The functionality seems ok

[waxen ingot]

Not sure if anyone answered

but i color my frames diff color

[plain steeple]

150k is equal to one more minute of mana reg. That’s some quite good value.

[cerulean stratus]

if ur here

[granite sparrow]

Last question, is there a way to make a TTS "Regrowth" when clearcasting procs? I have for lifebloom and swiftmend but can't find a way for regrowth

[cerulean stratus]

do u know how much % is photo + verdancy

[gentle nova]

4-5

[unborn tiger]

Hey all, I know this has been asking a zillion times, but am I wanting to macro the Litany trinket into Convoke or does it not work like that?

[bold grail]

For second boss pit of saron, does cat form clear the channeled beam spell? typhoon?

[spark river]

You can dispell the curse on that boss

[solid hornet]

i know dispell and i think roar both work idk about cat or typhoon

[fervent mica]

typhoon doesn't, but you can shift out. its a slow + curse

it just casts on someone else though

[pastel dragon]

Are there any classes in raid i should prioritize spreading rejuv to before others? Like who tends to be the squishiest?

[bright swift]

dude my guild doesn't wanna reclear Alleria when we have the bonus loot coins

[sudden junco]

In addition to catweaving, is it worth going to bear to trash off cd? Or does that mess up threat gen too much

[bright swift]

wtf do I coin then

[pastel dragon]

I think its fine throwing out thrash when you can, I usually hit it at least whenever I roar, doesn't seem to mess up threat during a pull after the tank establishes threat

[sudden junco]

Gotcha, i might give it a go for funsies and see if i have some free time throwing other than heals out

[cunning parcel]

Any tips for keeping tank alive in high aa

First pull

[grand herald]

its kinda up to them to kite properly or the dps to end the pull fast

[fervent mica]

tell your aug to remove the bleed at 4 stacks

[grand herald]

you can toss everything on them and they will still die if they dont play right

[abstract ember]

Do you tend to move lifebloom around in m+ or leave it on the tank?

[grand herald]

i put it on whoever is taking damage

assuming i can spare the gcd

[pastel dragon]

Using it to target an apex bloom is very powerful

[abstract ember]

so in a boss fight if a dps is gonnna be taking a heavy dot would you move it to them?

if theyre a squishier class?

[grand herald]

yeah

assuming i can spare the gcd and wont lose someone if i do

[abstract ember]

cause I usually leave it on the tank as I wasnt sure if it was worth moving or not