is that realistic to assume for every bloom in a fight?
#resto
thorn plover
urban bone
Sorry where can I see the proposed changes to apex? On wowhead somewhere?
thorn plover
Sorry where can I see the proposed changes to apex? On wowhead somewhere?
no, only on ptr
thorn plover
25k each but with the ws tech
can you assume to do that on every bloom through say, averzian?
fervent mica
you have to hit the mobs it goes on to proc the shields
urban bone
Ok thanks
thorn plover
for math purposes
fervent mica
the removed the ability to proc it from aoe, so it can be annoying
gentle nova
can you assume to do that on every bloom through say, averzian?
With wildstalker yes
You just need 1 symb bloom (from vi) and forestwalk
They should ramake the apex to a sm one
gentle nova
Apex 4 whenever you swiftmend all your hots tick 100% faster for 4 seconds
Would that be op in m+
gentle nova
true
thorn plover
wait do the blooms from everbloom count in the log as lifebloom blooms
god that sentence makes my brain hurt
gentle nova
Yes
warm mortar
@fervent mica ah, I understand
thorn plover
ok so not quite then
gentle nova
Wowanalyzer separates them
warm mortar
so you'd kinda have to combine it with HotW + convoke or something for it to provide a big shield?
opaque roost
Does tranq heal someone more with the more hots you have on them ?
gentle nova
12m healing is a lot
thorn plover
so if it says 115 blooms on wowanalyzer for everbloom, equivalent would be 69
its not 12m its less
bright jolt
the new apex should be a fairly large gain if you play towards it over the old one in raid
they've been tuning it hour to hour though
so who knows, guess the weekend is a reprieve from that
thorn plover
12m healing is a lot
8.8m
gentle nova
so if it says 115 blooms on wowanalyzer for everbloom, equivalent would be 69
It says linked blooms from apex4
Check the little i
hearty coral
Tf is a linked bloom
gentle nova
Blooms linked to apex 4
hearty coral
Oh gotcha
gentle nova
8.8m
For comparison what did the other heals did and wht was the hps
Show the breakdown
urban kestrel
just make our apex that funny pvp talent for rbgs and pet teams
early spring
thatd be funny
gentle nova
A wg based flourish
pulsar kettle
gentle nova
When you cast wg you get 100% flourish for a couple seconds
narrow monolith
wg based flourish would go hard
thorn plover
how did you have no blooms besides apex blooms
narrow monolith
Or make Apex WoD Genesis
bright jolt
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PjfJLpt4KaBmYg9D?fight=41&type=healing
napkin math is about 25% more on everbloom
thorn plover
it says 75/75 blooms were linked blooms
gentle nova
Its cause i dont really pay attention to pandemic
Just yolo when it looks low
More important shit to do
thorn plover
would have done 3m
thorn plover
3,037,500
bright jolt
it's roughly a 25% increase on that log
since you have to factor in manual blooms
etc
gentle nova
Increase on just everbloom
bright jolt
yes just everbloom
gentle nova
Bro thats ass
😹
But that fight also has no rot at all
Its 50 seconds intervals of burst
bright jolt
it's technically a little less than that because you are more likely to overheal
gentle nova
And then egg is kinda rottish
bright jolt
most likely
bright jolt
in general though
if you play toward the apex strength
it should be a fairly large net gain
but it's harder to optimize than the one this patch
is the tldr
thorn plover
on the first log i linked it woulda been about a 50% gain on everbloom
bright jolt
yeah the log I had on wildstalker for paladins would've been a very high number too
for instance this would be a little closer to 20% on everbloom
from what I got
gentle nova
Thats bird?
bright jolt
no
I just ran a random build during our paladins prog originally
was trying some stuff
gentle nova
U werent in for bird?
bright jolt
no
gentle nova
Yeah druid sucks rhere ngl
bright jolt
it wouldn't be awful on the absorbs tbh, depending on how they do the targeting
but it's stronger in hard rot, yes
thorn plover
how are we even speccing 4 apex and phosy
thorn plover
bright jolt
it just comes up on point:throughput ratio on 2m convoke and reforest
gentle nova
Sure depending if your mana is infinite to cast 5 wg cpm
bright jolt
I think for most people
gentle nova
Drop refo
bright jolt
reforest is harder to optimize than just hitting convoke, but idk tbh
gentle nova
2 tv is mandatory bro
bright jolt
it's a wash
gentle nova
Bounty healing does 15% hps
bright jolt
a lot of it will just get mathed out later
rustic copper
no it won't lol
since when has healer theorycraft done math to compare different builds
gentle nova
At this point the current gameplay and build isnt even determined
Spec is bad designed
And its cause they introduced nb
tight flicker
What is nsrt?
thorn plover
side question: in current state of the game what size of raid would make ws better
bright jolt
What is nsrt?
northern sky raid tools
rustic copper
thorn plover
doing OT heroic lura tonight, suspecting like under 14 people
gentle nova
side question: in current state of the game what size of raid would make ws bett...
No one knows
thorn plover
we got to 10% last night
bright jolt
as a newer person to healing though, I do wish that qelive was slightly more accessible to see specific calcs like sims are
it's a bit unfortunate
rustic copper
and it is healing
bright jolt
yeah I'd imagine it's extremely time consuming
bright jolt
and it is healing
I mean I think healers beating themselves up on this stuff doesn't particularly help, but I understand
main timber
I have a TC module that makes a lot of the backend accessible but everything is slow moving because it's 99% a solo project
And patch updates already take up a lot of available time
gentle nova
I think its fun to just explore things instead of just mathing out everything and then just determine whats best that way tbf
main timber
I picked up two new helpers this expansion so that'll help
bright jolt
I have a TC module that makes a lot of the backend accessible but everything is ...
I wonder if there's ever a case in the future that something like what they do with aug is adapted for healers, although I don't know too much on that front
I'm assuming for qe it's pretty much that though
main timber
I wonder if there's ever a case in the future that something like what they do w...
Nah it is not really similar
bright jolt
ah
main timber
The other thing is, you can set up a lot in a vacuum but if two choices are within 1-2% then your choice will get dictated by the fight anyway
bright jolt
that sounds that same as dps
rustic copper
I don't even know by what metric you consider 1 build better than another
for healing
like it's too cooked
main timber
You can sometimes capture very OP stuff, or very underpowered stuff
tough portal
how do you even math that
You can just manually count your Swiftmends too
main timber
But using log analysis on particular fights supplement the modelling well anyway. So the system works, it just requires logs too
I have a simulator too, but that too can only be used situationally. Very good for capturing specific ramps
bright jolt
how does qe model missing health etc
rustic copper
bright jolt
sorry for being off topic btw
main timber
But I do not think it's useful to say "this is mathematically the best build" and then try and push away dissenters because what is best varies more than DPS on a fight by fight basis
I don't think it's a bad thing either. You math out what you can, and you use log analysis for the rest
bright jolt
But I do not think it's useful to say "this is mathematically the best build" an...
I mean this sums up the issues with dps simming atm
I don't see how it would be significantly diff than total healing metrics, but I'm not sure if I'm missing something
when I was helping the warlock tcs last patch, it was particularly hard to reccomend talents based on not having optimal sims for fights
main timber
There are definitely multiple metrics for DPS too and I think that gets understated sometimes
bright jolt
so you just end up having a best average
fervent mica
I don't see how it would be significantly diff than total healing metrics, but I...
theres only so much healing that is required at any given point.
bright jolt
theres only so much healing that is required at any given point.
correct, but wouldn't it also not be wise to find certain combinations that could have the theoretical upper limit of what the kit can squeeze out and then theorycraft situations after that
main timber
It's somewhat easy to model highest HPS overall, but that isn't always the same as minimizing overall raid deaths. What if a build is -5% HPS but much burstier? What if one does much better single target healing? Well that might be useful sometimes. Druid in particular is the worst for this
You can control where and how big your healing peaks in like 100 different ways
Similarly, what other healers do you have? What role are you filling?
What if the healing peaks are also high movement?
proven phoenix
the most lethal mechanics in the raid right now are massive healing absorbs that go on 2-4 people
main timber
None of these are impossible, but they add noise, and so if talents are very close (and for druid they are) then you can end up with two very different builds (like Apex vs non-apex) that perform similarly and it's subjective which fits better into your healing strategy
proven phoenix
I played apex on paladins because absorb healing good
bright jolt
the most lethal mechanics in the raid right now are massive healing absorbs that...
yeah in my mind that's like what people were simming in the rwf guilds pre manaforge right for dps. like liquid was simming manual damage amps + pi for certain boss phases
sorry for asking questions, just newer at this coming from a dps tc background
grizzled seal
Most dpsers sim for the wrong things anyway
proven phoenix
all good
main timber
Modelling other healers is generally way easier than Druid. Druid has always been the most difficult for me
grizzled seal
Especially when it comes to progression
An average player used sims with the same usefulness as a healer sim would be
bright jolt
Most dpsers sim for the wrong things anyway
yeah, but usually communities shore up these deficiences right. If players aren't looking to min/max mythic content they don't bother with sims was our thought for warlocks at least
so having the base was useful
to combat people claiming something was better
grizzled seal
The base can have completely different answers in some cases
urban kestrel
I think I wouldve played apex on paladins if I didnt have an alt mw playing sheiluns, hpal, and hpriest in my raid for it, I ended up just playing photo
grizzled seal
Even this tier you have something like alleria and beloren
abstract ember
Is it worth using harmonious blooming for m+?
grizzled seal
I'm willing to bet 99% of players do some dumb shit on beloren because they don't understand that you need to do dmg in a 30 second window with lust
main timber
When this new module is out you will be able to build your own ramps etc in the frontend and just play around with different sequences a lot more
bright jolt
When this new module is out you will be able to build your own ramps etc in the ...
that sounds fantastic
main timber
It is already working for a few specs and I'm going to add Druid next
tough portal
Is it worth using harmonious blooming for m+?
It's a fine talent, depends on what you find yourself struggling with. It's nice to do a little more tank babysitting or if you swap LB a lot for single target hits.
urban kestrel
this tier is crazy for dps, feral, ww, and ele would be insane right now by most standards and instead it's the meme 2-3 target messy spread cleave + burst aoe tier
tough portal
Not a very major talents
grizzled seal
But also this tier trying to "math out" talents is a lost cause
proven phoenix
When this new module is out you will be able to build your own ramps etc in the ...
oh are you actually going hard on this, I wanted to try something like it when i was in school still but I kinda gave up after I realised how much effort it would be lmfao
grizzled seal
We can't even do post factum attribution for some talents with a log present
proven phoenix
like reglitchs ramp sim but for druid
bright jolt
I'm willing to bet 99% of players do some dumb shit on beloren because they don'...
I guess you're just more cynical than I am on that front, I think assuming players are stupid and stalling (not saying that's happening clearly with voulk's massive contributions) progress on TC seems a bit backward
main timber
oh are you actually going hard on this, I wanted to try something like it when i...
Yeah it has always existed in QE Live but it's always been on the backend only
urban kestrel
I dont even know what I would play to optimize for 3 target aoe + a 30s burst phase on most dps specs with modern talent trees too, like I could do that in SL
abstract ember
It's a fine talent, depends on what you find yourself struggling with. It's nice...
I did wonder that tbh, but thought id double check to be sure, debating taking r2 thriving vegetation or sticking with nuturing dormancy, but I think thats a more minor change too.
grizzled seal
I guess you're just more cynical than I am on that front, I think assuming playe...
The progress on TC is there for dpsers, but players don't use the tools right
That's my point
tough portal
I would say ND is undroppable
main timber
I would say ND is undroppable
🤝
grizzled seal
Simming single target 5 min is the default
bright jolt
yeah
however the apl's have massively evloved in the past couple of years
especially with the new functions the simc team has been implementing to allow for easier individual access to backend data
at least imo
I've seen a huge increase in diverse simming for guide writing
it's not as cut and dry as even like 2 years a go
urban kestrel
yeah I've always been surprised that raidbots and its maintainers havent extended into fight by fight sim profiles each raid tier
but I get why that would be hard to maintain
bright jolt
yeah I've always been surprised that raidbots and its maintainers havent extende...
they have actually
urban kestrel
oh
bright jolt
but it depends on class
urban kestrel
yeah I get why it would be hard to maintain
abstract ember
I would say ND is undroppable
same honestly, I used it a while ago and I just find it so amazing. only other thing I could drop is nature's bounty but I like that too. Maybe i'll just stick to r1 thriving vegetation.
bright jolt
simc has been working pretty hard this expansion to streamline their functions iirc
so that more people can pet project stuff like that
tough portal
Yeah I would use Nature's Bounty as the floater talent there
main timber
simc has been working pretty hard this expansion to streamline their functions i...
Honestly I've been trying to do the same. It's been fairly successful in pulling more people to the project but there's just always infinity work to do
bright jolt
not to mention blizz has been really fucking with their spell data recently too
it's been torture on that front
grizzled seal
Voulk think about this though
Pull people to do classic work
And then do some real stuff yourself
bright jolt
Honestly I've been trying to do the same. It's been fairly successful in pulling...
thank you for this btw, I didn't realize how much of it was run just by you
main timber
Classic might be dead anyway, we didn't even get instructions for guide updates for the mini-patch
grizzled seal
Right yeah
main timber
I'll support SoO then probably done
grizzled seal
I wonder what the population is looking like right now
bright jolt
very grim
tough portal
They put out too many game modes and split their own playerbase too thin
main timber
Partially but they also just never fixed glaring bugs
grizzled seal
I don't think that was the issue
bright jolt
warcraftlogs also kinda killed parsing in tot
grizzled seal
This content gap is just insane
bright jolt
is what I heard
tidal lynx
Say I do this and changed to doing ranged dps and swap talents - how much of a dps loss is it?
tough portal
Idk I just have a lot more friends playing TBC than MOP
main timber
Lei Shen (best boss of the expansion) is still bugged and free 6 months later
grizzled seal
warcraftlogs also kinda killed parsing in tot
My guild always made fun of classic parsing
grand herald
Say I do this and changed to doing ranged dps and swap talents - how much of a d...
its a significant amount of dps
main timber
It's a big single target loss, AoE damage is fine
grizzled seal
Because you need to read a rule book to understand what you are allowed to do
bright jolt
My guild always made fun of classic parsing
when the top guilds on classic are farming the raids on private servers for 5 months pre classic launch, it's all they can do lmao
main timber
Farm raid for 5 months pre-launch, lose "RWF" to bugged boss
bright jolt
I know a couple guys in the "classic rwf" and it's just a full meme
grizzled seal
That rwf is idiotic anyway
proven phoenix
I went to wcl today and found 4 more questions about random bullshit adds on bosses
grizzled seal
I have such low opinion on these players
proven phoenix
good work
grizzled seal
Like most of them are just terrible and stupid
bright jolt
in the better classic guilds it's actually closer to retail top 100 guilds than you think, although the crossover is pretty heavy
the pure classic players aren't usually fantastic though
main timber
Our guild is 50% the most "classic" players you will ever meet, and half retail top 20
urban kestrel
its honestly kind of crazy how much more variance you see in player skill in the same groups in classic/xiv/gw2 compared to retail wow guilds
proven phoenix
someone in my m+ group dipped and said he has to do karazhan in classic tbc
urban kestrel
classic you legit find the worst player you've ever seen just vibing with like top 10 retail raiders
bright jolt
Our guild is 50% the most "classic" players you will ever meet, and half retail ...
yeah that sounds about right
urban kestrel
its kinda fun too
main timber
Don't think I'll ever do another classic run through unless they do WoD
Maybe Classic+ if it looks more like MoP than vanilla
grizzled seal
in the better classic guilds it's actually closer to retail top 100 guilds than ...
I've seen people who were kicked from wr50-100 guilds now playing in classic wf guilds
grizzled seal
I think ToT was fun
urban kestrel
I kinda dig 10H, but yeah I dont think people enjoy farming all that crap out again
main timber
ToT was good and I'm looking forward to SoO. I just could never go back to SSC / TK etc
tidal lynx
How crucial is healer DPS to timing keys in the range of 12 -15
urban kestrel
How crucial is healer DPS to timing keys in the range of 12 -15
not at all
pulsar kettle
not at all
grizzled seal
I also did the first tbc rerun and didn't mind it too much. Wouldn't do it the second time
main timber
You will just be bored a lot if you don't DPS and it'll increase your chance of timing a bad key
urban kestrel
yeah if you're comfy on a pull, just send some rips and rakes and starfires and whatnot, but if you're at all worried about someone exploding dont worry about it
tough portal
How crucial is healer DPS to timing keys in the range of 12 -15
Resto druid DPS only exists as a result of healing properly and efficiently, knowing the dungeons, like a "reward" of sorts. If you're asking this you gotta figure out how to heal the dungeons first.
main timber
Send Heart of the Wild in Cat Form regardless though. it does a lot of damage for minimal investment
urban kestrel
resto druid dps owns because I play keeper in keys for 7k free dps from treants :^)
grizzled seal
Are they planning to post their so-called tuning today
tough portal
grizzled seal
Can't wait for the 3 lines that will change nothing
main timber
No guaranteed tuning this week right?
grizzled seal
Is there not?
tough portal
It's only pvp tuning from here on out
fervent mica
i don't expect anything until the .5
grizzled seal
I thought we had one more week
urban kestrel
prot paladin and blood dk buffed by 300% at everything. bear and brewmaster and disc and aug removed from game
grizzled seal
Ah fuck
grizzled seal
Well, only two healers I'd describe as terrible rn
They could just aura buff them before .5, not sure why they didn't during last tuning
narrow ruin
Well, only two healers I'd describe as terrible rn
Hpal and rsham? 🤔
grizzled seal
Yeah
urban kestrel
hpriest not even on the radar anymore, so over
grizzled seal
Paladin situation is ridiculous too
Some classic level shit where you need externals to gain a lot of throughput
Shouldn't even exist in retail
urban kestrel
im astounded hpriest is this bad in a tier with like 70% ToF uptime too
like thats half the reason I would maybe defend disc's current state
tawny laurel
When without form does it matter if I am targeting enemy or friendly when casting Convoke the spirits? Does it affect potential healing?
main timber
Nope
urban kestrel
as dps you get a little more spells on that guy, but it shouldn't matter as healer
you do get a few more healing spells if >40 yards from an enemy but that is NOT worth actively going for
unless you are like a certified parse-lord
hearty coral
Is the floor for rsham and hpal higher than the floor for druid
I feel like I see a ton of really bad heroic druids compared
urban kestrel
I know nothing about hpal, but resto shaman floor is at the bottom, it's just find a crit/vers set and press riptide, then unleash chain heal, keep up totemic totem
hearty coral
Floor as in output for least effort is what I meant I think
urban kestrel
and all I know about hpal is holy light costs like 13k mana or some crap
hpal is paying hard for being manaless for 20 years
they even took away cocknball totem, which was probably the best skill expression shaman had
they even lost APT, so the only special thing that spec has going for it still is ascendance procs and spirit link, and AV (av is horrible without primordial wave)
hearty coral
Yeah was just wondering why druid looked so much worse at the bottom than the other 2
urban kestrel
abundance is hard, especially w/o flourish to centralize it around anything
inner sonnet
they even took away cocknball totem, which was probably the best skill expressio...
the what now
fickle garden
Paladin situation is ridiculous too
Paladin situation is blizz being 100% incompitent and stubborn, they know how bad the changes were/are and just dont care enough to fix it
thorn plover
they likely get a kick out of how much pally mains cry
urban kestrel
the what now
cloudburst totem, it's also cbt
gentle nova
I feel like I see a ton of really bad heroic druids compared
Average druid presses 30 rejuv cpm and 3 rg cpm
forest cipher
any grid2 users know how to disable group8 in raid
im in raid rn and i cant find the right setting
slow hound
Sup folks, quick question, on crafted, should I be using sunfire silk lining or arcanoweave lining?
thorn plover
arcano
limpid jacinth
160k sustained overall HPS in a NPX, how even is this possible. This Brew must be drunk ughhh.
tidal lynx
If you run Starfire and Circle of the Heavens does it make more sense to go grove guardian for keys since many wildstalker talents modify kitty form attacks?
fierce isle
you've set an interested premise to the question
main timber
If you run Starfire and Circle of the Heavens does it make more sense to go grov...
I am not sure why you wouldn't just pick the best healing tree in that scenario
tidal lynx
OK
onyx trail
dry belfry
ya it is quite terrible
proven phoenix
no man its good
wdym
the cerebral skill expressive specs are at the top
just like god intended
hollow gyro
the cerebral skill expressive specs are at the top
Only 4 genius
wide rose
is macroing bear form and Hotw together a very bad idea
proven phoenix
Only 4 genius
only 4 genius
proven phoenix
is macroing bear form and Hotw together a very bad idea
what do you want bear hotw for
wide rose
what do you want bear hotw for
increase maximum health on top of the armor in case of really high damage, seen some people use it in like that keys slightly higher than mine
proven phoenix
I think you should just go regular bear form
save hotw for something more useful (damage)
wide rose
gotcha
sharp needle
even if you do wanna hit it as a defensive, tying it into your normal bear bind would be wasted most of the time
wide rose
so just send it on cat form
proven phoenix
yeah
proven phoenix
if you're really sketched out you can spec into ursine vigor as well
its a pretty big buff to bear form survivability after shifting
wide rose
i'm working on react bear form anyway
proven phoenix
keep in mind bear form is like absolute last instinct
unless you know for something will one shot you its way better to just use a healing global instead
wide rose
you don't heal in bear form so it's awk
yeah
that's why ive found it difficult to know the right time to use it
when a pull isn't going well
if that gcd was regrowth maybe someone lives
sharp needle
yeah ramp the mech then bear it and cancel into a regrowth or something
gentle nova
Max health talents on bear last through caster form
Thats a good tip if you ever need
As in ursine and bear hotw
vivid peak
I like playing frenzy regen in keys
wide rose
that's why i was told to use it that way
because it lasts even after leaving bear form
completely different question, this might be more of a fundamental thing with the way GCD works in this game
its been bothering me since i started playing this game but my GCD "resets" all the time, especially when i use swiftmend, queuing the next GCD feels weird and terrible due to that
idk if it's because of my 100 ping
like this. is this just visual?
i have no idea how like, ping interacts with GCD rolling in this game
it's at 75% of a roll but a new GCD starts instantly
this was happening before i got cdm or anything other visual ui thing, my action bars should be vanilla
thorn plover
what am i even watching
fair shadow
For lifebloom do we just keep it on tank and forget about it for the 3 stacks or is it ok to move it
vivid peak
For lifebloom do we just keep it on tank and forget about it for the 3 stacks or...
Move it depending on healing needed
hushed heath
Can I get some thoughts on the differences?
I used to the left talents (in the left tree in the SS)
but ive tried out reforestation and it can be pretty nice. Why not boost our wild growth too?
Thoughts?
sacred wasp
anyone using litany? wtm for triggering the on use? spam moonfire?
marsh prism
completely different question, this might be more of a fundamental thing with th...
you generally don't have to spam it so fast like you do in ff like you want to keep doing actions yea but it's a little different
especially when you're doing like different things as opposed to just casting dosia
dosia
dosis
wide rose
you generally don't have to spam it so fast like you do in ff like you want to k...
yea i don't usually i was just trying to make sure it was properly queued to test the GCD reset issue
like 100% sure i'm queueing the next one
and it's not just me being slow
i think its genuinely my ping to the server + high haste
i'm seeing people complain that the GCD animation doesn't work properly in that situation
it scales with haste but not haste + server to client delay
bright swift
Can I get some thoughts on the differences?
I used to the left talents (in the l...
harmonious blooming spotted
hushed heath
harmonious blooming spotted
what?
hushed heath
why would that possibly be a bad talent?
bright swift
because mastery stacks heavily DR after 2
hushed heath
is there a graph that shows the actual?
its weird the literal top druid would pick it then, actually 97% of the top 100 take it.. hmm
hushed heath
thanks!
hushed heath
but what about the other things I circled?
bright swift
TV is also good
you either play double TV or 1 TV and 1 NB
cultivation is horrible
unstoppable growth is horrible
hushed heath
does the wildstalker hot still give an unmodified 20% boost to healing?
is that why photosynth is still valuable?
hushed heath
doesnt photo cause it to apply blooms?
proven phoenix
bright swift
doesnt photo cause it to apply blooms?
yes but that has nothing to do with vigorous creeprs
main timber
It is basically just 3% damage, 1.5% DR. It's technically slightly less but depends on how many of your specs play a lot of vers
bright swift
not many
proven phoenix
word on the streat is mw is m+ fotm
waxen ingot
marsh prism
thank god
waxen ingot
Notice how she has 105k hps
urban kestrel
The only real issue with mw in keys is they need to think to do bosses and they usually go full brain off while doing trash as mw.
And that's been the issue since df
urban kestrel
Also sometimes just playing raid heal spec is better too but they just love spinning so much.
pulsar kettle
pulsar kettle
it doesnt
marsh prism
nonono please ccare go swap mw
main timber
Hmm it's speed runs though again right, not great push format
main timber
Speed runs didn't always translate to push keys in the past
pulsar kettle
with every tert possible
bright swift
is this getting gutted
main timber
Oh alright, I knew they changed to that but I thought they were changing back for Midnight
waxen ingot
<:garf:1182703292313255946>
how is shaman so high
every season
like its 2nd every single season
do people like playing it that much?
pulsar kettle
ranged kick + skyfury
fits into phys comp which people love.
and you dont actually need much hps to heal title keys
graceful ermine
They bring a lot and aren’t demanding
thorn plover
anyone know how many dawn crystals on lura with 11 people
graceful ermine
People overrate utility sometimes, but there’s been a growing countermeme that says something like “utility means nothing, hps is all that matters” but shaman proves that wrong
bright swift
anyone know how many dawn crystals on lura with 11 people
always 5
thorn plover
thanks
bright swift
big tip
for p2 you cannot get a beam bait if you hold a crystal
so have 1 person per group have no crystal so they always get the beam
so 1 ranged without
1 healer with
1 melee with
if everyone in a group has a crystal it'll go randomly on any of them
glass crane
mdi is low keys again this time right? so you're for sure taking guardian and mw
echo token
lean ledge
hey guys, sorry if this has been asked before, my mouse overs are working with all spells except for ironbark, anyone know why?
burnt jackal
Why do I see so many people take Fluid Form? Seems like theres barely enough time to stop healing and cat weave, so wouldnt this just save a gcd like once a min at most?
thorn plover
youll get a lot more catweave time as you improve/your group improves
jade grove
is it better to lifebloom a melee in raid if the tank's going to be getting too far away to put efflo where it'll hit others?
hardy canopy
Why do I see so many people take Fluid Form? Seems like theres barely enough tim...
its the opposite, fluid form saves you a gcd
or do you mean like never catweaving
lavish tangle
yo, is there no way to swap your advanced coooldown manager based off of your STANCE**** not spec
Please god tell me there is
graceful ermine
Why do I see so many people take Fluid Form? Seems like theres barely enough tim...
Theres plenty of time to damage in keys. You just have to recognize it
If you feel like you do not have time to get in damage globals in keys, you are definitely doing something wrong
hardy canopy
yo, is there no way to swap your advanced coooldown manager based off of your ST...
i think it's not possible through cooldown manager but i think something like bartender would do it
not worth the effort tho cus rip and rake are energy based
grave oak
Which node are you guys using in raid. I find Proesperity just so much better but idk if I am trolling
nocturne vortex
on higher keys do you keep lifebloom on the tank or on allies who need healing?
nocturne vortex
Think I should get rid of 1 of the points in thriving vegetation and get harmonious bloom for the extra mastery stacks?
main timber
No I'd just stick with what you have
burnt jackal
Theres plenty of time to damage in keys. You just have to recognize it
plenty of time to dps seems hyperbolic
thorn plover
i mean, top keys are doing 16k dps overall
on a 20
that means they had a fair bit of time to dps
much more time in lower keys
found a 30k dps log
graceful ermine
If you are finding yourself without time to dps im going to guess some or all of the following things are happening in some amounts:
- you are overpreparing for damage by layering an unnecessary number of rejuvs
- you aren’t casting enough regrowths during rot
- you are preparing too early for damage (similar to 1 but notably different)
- you are overreacting to low-moderate rot damage by overhealing and not recognizing you can sneak some damage globals in even while hp bars are dropping a little, provided a major mechanic isn’t about to happen that requires topped hp
hardy canopy
wg into sotf gives you enough passive healing while you're rakeing if you're scared
i do think catweaving is tricky this season cus you can't track trash cooldowns
sacred wasp
is there smth im missing about windrunner spire or is the damage insane in there
just timed it on a 17 and i was sweating practically the entire time
fierce isle
sounds fun
gentle nova
Sounds what healing should look like
snow mural
Weird flex
sacred wasp
Sounds what healing should look like
yeah but ti was like verge of losing type of healing
limpid jacinth
It’s a healing heavy dungeon
sacred wasp
im not saying it shouldn't be im just wondering if there's something i missed or if thats how the damage is in that dungeon proportional to the others at the same key lvl
relax
gentle nova
Im relaxed
fierce isle
People who push hard pre turbo boost are hardcore
sacred wasp
People who push hard pre turbo boost are hardcore
im not raiding rn i got nothin better to do 💀
limpid jacinth
if you’re doing 17s, you’re in the top 0.3ish% of runners right now, of course keys will get sweaty
hardy canopy
is there smth im missing about windrunner spire or is the damage insane in there
get an aug
if you have one and it still hurts your aug sucks
hardy canopy
stops, zephyr, chrono ward, caut, rescue, source
graceful ermine
Caut is huge in so many places
pulsar kettle
rescue isn't a shield anymore.
graceful ermine
Yeah they removed rescue being a defensive. It’s just speed now
hardy canopy
it clears snares and most key debuffs this season are tied to snares
actually not most i'm just overreacting
hardy canopy
having another poison dispel is also helpful in spire since it was the mentioned dungeon
but in general aug is super helpful
adds a big layer of comfort
obsidian pivot
just timed it on a 17 and i was sweating practically the entire time
Yes. And it’s one of the easier healing ones in the pool xd
MTs hallway pull on a 17 had me contemplating why I do this in my leisure time
hardy canopy
also spire is the worst dungeon to catweave lmao
poison everywhere and you can easily mistake the bottle throw thing with efflo
obsidian pivot
is there smth im missing about windrunner spire or is the damage insane in there
Also if ur dps aren’t prioing down the stewards and axe throwers they are trolling u
sacred wasp
Also if ur dps aren’t prioing down the stewards and axe throwers they are trolli...
oh you're actually super right about the steward prio
i think people go big mob naturally and dont realize the stewards are the fucked ones
ty
drifting timber
Is it best to bind feather to convoke? I have this macro but i think i have to click it twice since convoke is a channel?
damn not working
abstract tulip
the aug evoker decided to log our m+ and it said i did 99 for ilvl so now i feel better about myself. after mythic raid last night i wanted to change my character lol
clear oracle
Is it best to bind feather to convoke? I have this macro but i think i have to c...
You have to put the use 14 before the convoke cast
That said I don’t understand binding a haste trinket into your convoke. I personally prefer to shave that as an additional option to heal people rather than making a strong button even stronger. (I guess in raid it would make sense kinda only thought about M+)
hardy canopy
/use [nochanneling] 14
/cast [nochanneling] Convoke the Spirits
don't forget the nochanneling
limpid jacinth
Yes. And it’s one of the easier healing ones in the pool xd
MTs hallway pull on...
Eh, I feel like it’s kind of mid. Talking pure healing standpoint, AA, MC, SR, PoS are all ez. MGT and SotT got hands. NPX varies a ton but can suck. WS is kind of there in the middle… but I’m still finishing up 18s so I’m probably wrong.
clear oracle
For some reason NPX is my best dungeon by far… even though on paper some of the others should be easier.
And I still don’t know what this stupid 2 min debuff actually does
limpid jacinth
NPX varies a ton based upon pulls and people being smart
Still see DPS using defensives on dumb things instead of saving for what actually hurts
drifting timber
idk i put it to convoke cause just trying to linei it up with something for max usage
clear oracle
idk i put it to convoke cause just trying to linei it up with something for max ...
Yeah in raid that sounds logical. In M+ I feel like I overheal with convoke more often than not so I use on use trinkets kind of like an addition mini CD
drifting timber
yeah putting it to tranq or something means i gotta randomly thinkg about it and keep it nsync' etc.
clear oracle
I just press it when in need to heal but have neither convoke nor tranq for faster cast spam.
It’s not optimal for HPS of course but in M+ HPS maxing isn’t really that important as long as nobody dies
But I’m doing 16s so maybe in higher keys convoke will no longer be enough on its own
white sentinel
people in higher keys dont take nurturing dominancy anymore?
obsidian pivot
Eh, I feel like it’s kind of mid. Talking pure healing standpoint, AA, MC, SR, P...
AA has spicy. Vex in AA has me sweating. And last two runs I’ve had tanks are pulling echoknights onto final boss after first set of smashes. Though apparently crawth is bugged sometimes and the screech isn’t putting dot dmg in some runs this past reset.
thorn plover
spire is shit
limpid jacinth
AA has spicy. Vex in AA has me sweating. And last two runs I’ve had tanks are pu...
Yeah, I noticed the crawth bug
obsidian pivot
people in higher keys dont take nurturing dominancy anymore?
I swapped mine out for reforestation :s
median kestrel
Heya minna-san~ 🌸✨
I’m gonna let you all experience this week without my uwu pwesence… (dramatic anime sigh). I kinda feel like some of you are getting a lil annoyed with my chaotic raid energy—my callouts, my boop-the-snoot strats, and my constant “YAMETE KUDASAI” moments during raids 👉👈
So! I’ve decided to take a short arc break this week so you can decide… am I truly a nakama worthy of this guild… or just background NPC noise? whispers dramatically …nani…?
Anyway!! Wishing you all god-tier RNG drops, crispy clears, and many S-rank victories 💫⚔️
Ganbatte ne, my fellow raid senpais!! 💖
white sentinel
I swapped mine out for reforestation :s
wont harmonious blooming be better/?
abstract tulip
people in higher keys dont take nurturing dominancy anymore?
thanks for the suggestion
white sentinel
thanks for the suggestion
it wasnt a suggestion, it was more of a question
abstract tulip
i put 1 point into regenisis
white sentinel
im not the best resto druid to be giving advice to people
i need advice
seeing stuff abt ND being undroppable but all top druids dropping it has left me confused
abstract tulip
its fun to push the buttons m+ you are the only healer so do what feels smooth. no one to steal your heals
obsidian pivot
I took the point out of harmonious blooming cause vrocas said it’s bait
white sentinel
even vickman has dropped ND
white sentinel
I took the point out of harmonious blooming cause vrocas said it’s bait
oh it is?
why do they all take it then?
whats the logic in that if its bait
better tank healing?
obsidian pivot
He said to take nd over it
Mastery has dr after two stacks and linked a chart. If you scroll up just a bit you can see the chart
white sentinel
yep i saw it too
obsidian pivot
I think the logic is better single target healing
white sentinel
just confused why almost all of the druids in the top 100 take it
obsidian pivot
It was def played last season and was helpful w double target healing when we had double lb
stable verge
I guess if your target has yet to have mulltiple hots, it's still big value to put a lb on it to help save ?
white sentinel
I guess if your target has yet to have mulltiple hots, it's still big value to p...
i could see this
hardy canopy
i think the logic is that if you're moving lb on emergency, which is very common in keys, you have the extra mastery going on despite not having rejuv
proven phoenix
if you have to emergency move lb to someone taking damage and they have no other hots
hardy canopy
i've seen a couple high io rdruids and they barely rejuv before an event even with vi
proven phoenix
you are just doomed anyway
hardy canopy
i'm not justifying it but its the only thing i can think of
abstract tulip
i was thinking the same thing. i havnt gotten much mythic gear yet so i have 140 crests just chillin
abstract tulip
its pretty annoying to be capped on all crests and i still have some heroic gear i need to upgrade
proven phoenix
crest system sucks
granite timber
i have a 2h myth hast/mast and myth legs in vault, using 2h 285 crafted with hunt embellish. if i ignore the embellish, qelive says i should take the staff - if not, i should take the legs. how good is actually the hunt embellish, and also vs the arcanoweave embellish?
abstract tulip
i have a 2h myth hast/mast and myth legs in vault, using 2h 285 crafted with hun...
those are the two recommendations for embelishments
granite timber
yes, i know, but is it better to take a 289 2h staff, than have crafted 285 with embellish? that's kinda the whole question, if it's worth, instead of taking 289 legs for tier.
zealous scarab
If you still have heroic legs, you should absolutely take the mythic ones.
granite timber
yes, i have heroic ones.
zealous scarab
Then there is your answer, take the legs. The staff is minor currently in comparison. You would only take the staff rignt now if you had no other options
fervent mica
yes, i know, but is it better to take a 289 2h staff, than have crafted 285 with...
which staff?
granite timber
yeh, okay, i think you're right. are there any sources of how much the embellish stats are worth? hunt vs arcanoweave?
spire of the furious construct, it's haste/mast, so quite bis
from skyreach
fervent mica
you will want a myth track weapon at some point... the question is if you're willing to chance seeing one again
granite timber
exactly my point also. i will never see this weapon again. ;)
but the embellish is really good, it seems.
fervent mica
theres 3? haste/mast of varying ratios from m+
slow pasture
Yes i think it’s 3
fervent mica
2 heavy mast 1 evenish iirc
next week we can craft another item... so you could still have 2 embelly, which is what i would do if offered one i think?
worth setting that up in qe and seeing the difference
granite timber
it's a hard choice, but qelive says the differences are around 1000hps, if you count the embellish
fervent mica
i more meant putting whichever your craft is going to be in and seeing where it ends up as a comparison to non-embelly in that slot with crafted wep
fervent mica
With voidforged system
do you not have to have a myth track weapon for it?
granite timber
i have arcanoweave on boots already, and i guess we will end up with two arcanoweaves later on
fervent mica
i don't know enough about the .5 patch
granite timber
could be something to consider, thanks.
slow pasture
My plan for craft is 2 slot who will later take the embelishment and target weap (or trink)
I don’t know if mythic chimaerus is reliable in pugs
dawn kettle
Hi, new resto druid here, could use some advises on mana issues. I'm currently doing 14-15, but my mana were draining way faster than other druid issue when i watch others play. Following is one of the log i did recently. Kindly advise. Thank you.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WQDpmBPhVbfcZg8A?type=summary&fight=5
fallen perch
damn i didnt even see whisper of duskwrath on the wowhead trinkets guide lolol, is it that far below D tier? Seems decent
mental belfry
Hi, new resto druid here, could use some advises on mana issues. I'm currently d...
cast less rejuvs, cast most regrowths & WG's
fallen perch
meh its the only other healing trinket i have atm, also emberwing feather so w/e
zealous scarab
Yeah, dungeon trinkets outside of one just aren't very good
fallen perch
Yeah, dungeon trinkets outside of one just aren't very good
feather n heart of wind
slow pasture
Vaegor is so good
proven phoenix
is that on dungeon setting
zealous scarab
Looks like it
proven phoenix
vaelgor cannot be that good
I feel like vaelgor in dungeons is extreme overkill lol
you use a giga mastery on use and then what you're doing even more infinite hps?
plain steeple
90s CD is also killing me.
Would you play it as 120s CD then? Or use it without cooldowns?
clear oracle
you use a giga mastery on use and then what you're doing even more infinite hps?
Dunno there are quite a few situations in higher keys were even more einfinite HPS would help
zealous scarab
It looks like Disc priest trinket setting
dawn kettle
cast less rejuvs, cast most regrowths & WG's
how much rejuvanation should i be casting? I often find myself havnig 7+ stacks when mech came, or when things goes bad
plain steeple
how much rejuvanation should i be casting? I often find myself havnig 7+ stacks ...
Not playing ND is one major issue here.
It gives your rejuvs +35% duration.
dawn kettle
Not playing ND is one major issue here.
i only do m+, which point do i swap for ND?
plain steeple
I specced out of Natures Bounty in M+.
Most of the time I need spotheal on a single player. NB is not helping there.
It’s for me doing like 3% in dungeons maximum.
And I’d argue that my NB is very strong in raid.
dawn kettle
ok i will try and see if things improve. Thank you for the tips
clear oracle
Would you play it as 120s CD then? Or use it without cooldowns?
In raid as a 2 min cd. In M+ I press it when I need healing
slow pasture
Trying something like this these days.
https://www.wowhead.com/fr/talent-calc/druid/restoration/EAAAQVVUVVAVFBEUFJEHQCAQAA
But without ND it’s a bit more mana heavy.
mental belfry
how much rejuvanation should i be casting? I often find myself havnig 7+ stacks ...
7 stacks is fine but i think you're under casting SOTF rejuvs & extending germ stacks with swiftmend..
dawn kettle
7 stacks is fine but i think you're under casting SOTF rejuvs & extending germ s...
so do i just swiftmend and use up sotf to extend rejuvenation even if the team isnt in danger?
somber sequoia
wanting to keep your innervate gets you kicked from the guild guys btw little update, dont recommend
slow pasture
And since your are playing VI. Your pretty much SM on cooldown
fervent mica
wanting to keep your innervate gets you kicked from the guild guys btw little up...
sounds like you're lucky to get out
slow pasture
If no one needs immediate healing. Just SM the LB target and eejuv after.
fervent mica
you don't have to trigger the sotf right away either. can just start the sm cd and hold it
slow pasture
you don't have to trigger the sotf right away either. can just start the sm cd a...
This.
Especially when you know a funnel healing is coming
So you just have to move LB / consumme sotf and the target is safe
grand herald
I wanted to leave anyway but god what a fucking guild
What guild is this so i can avoid
somber sequoia
eu ragnaros wont say more
and we are on alleria
wanted to bring a hpala in for absorbs. and wanted to give my innervate for it. said no, linked logs, gave reasonable explanations and other solutions, getting a mw in for example. nope
they didnt want the mw in because hes bad and his first tier as healer. fair enough, said, pala can have my innervate p1 & p3 and got booted some hours later anyway
dawn kettle
And use wg more to fish some SB procs + mastery stacks
may i know what is sb?
mental belfry
may i know what is sb?
sym bloom, your hero trees hot
and yes sm rejuvs, and especially try to target SOFT empowered rejuvs for VI value
stable verge
Btw, we still fucked with targeted spells or is there a workaround (besides checking castbars..) ?
somber sequoia
woah I disabled that addon its absolute whack 🙁 dont know of a better alternative
dawn kettle
sym bloom, your hero trees hot
tyty!
gray burrow
Hey, i just got the Litany Trinket from the weekly chest. How do u best play around it in m+? I often dont have the time in pulls to cast the 5 harmful spells or is there no time limit for the 5 casts?
past tusk
are you guys running verdant infusion in m+?
graceful ermine
Hey, i just got the Litany Trinket from the weekly chest. How do u best play aro...
Use it during times of low damage. It will cover moderate amounts of rot damage on its own, allowing you to dps for those globals
I'll use it going into any pull that doesn't immediately start with a huge damage event
It's also extremely good on damage amps
Save it for the damage amp phase on the last boss of seat
slow pasture
And, if i'm correct, rip/ake dot triger the effect
storm kettle
You can consume it quickly with cat hotw
storm kettle
Hotw consumes it completely
graceful ermine
It does not whenever I use them together
I bound them together with a macro
and still had to use 4 other globals
storm kettle
I do it in dungeons all the time but gonna check on dummies right now
graceful ermine
Yeah test it, I'm like 98% sure it does not
because I used it that way at first
and it never worked
I also tried with convoke and only got one proc
slow pasture
Internal timer ?
graceful ermine
Not sure why
storm kettle
graceful ermine
yeah it could be that the macro is doing something weird here
slow pasture
Yeah possibly
graceful ermine
You know what I bet it is, the animation doesn't complete before the hotw global starts
so the debuff isn't applied yet
vivid peak
They for sure changed that I've done like 50 keys with the trinket
graceful ermine
Yeah I did a bunch of keys early on with that macro
and it never worked like that
but weirdly it's working now for me?
Idk
The macro has the same behavior that imris showed in his clip
Was this a change literally this week?
fervent mica
is starfire working again?
lament river
Is there a addon that track peoples defesnives like omnicd?
gray burrow
Is there a addon that track peoples defesnives like omnicd?
MiniCC as far as i know, just downloaded it yesterday but havent tried it yet
fervent mica
minicc... but its not very reliable
gray burrow
I'll use it going into any pull that doesn't immediately start with a huge damag...
Ty for your feedback will try it that way
lament river
Thanks i have trouble tracking ironbark on mini CC :S
snow mural
I only recently figured out the Targeted spells addons was out there.
It got "banned" if im not wrong reading the comments, but is there really not anything that can help me show who gets targeted by beams/bolts casts and stuff on them on my party frames besides looking at the nameplates castbar?
slow pasture
Thanks i have trouble tracking ironbark on mini CC :S
Wdym ? I have minicc and don’t have trouble for IB
graceful ermine
I only recently figured out the Targeted spells addons was out there.
It got "...
Blizzard removed the workaround they were using to do that last week. As far as I know, no one has found a new way to do it and it's pretty apparent blizzard does not want that to be possible
So I'd expect if someone does find a workaround, it will likely not be permanent (but who knows)
The addon still works, but now all it does is show a list of casts. It doesn't dynamically attach to your unit frames
lament river
Wdym ? I have minicc and don’t have trouble for IB
Iron bark there should stand
but the bug is fixed
But i can see evokers cooldown zephyr only scales
stable verge
I do it in dungeons all the time but gonna check on dummies right now
Btw, does the shields stacks ?
Don't wanna raid but if it does maybe I should farm it
lament river
You people use platynator ore Plattor?
slow pasture
But i can see evokers cooldown zephyr only scales
Yeah. Could be great.
And i don’t see DK AMZ
But well at least i see personnals
snow mural
The addon still works, but now all it does is show a list of casts. It doesn't d...
Thanks for the information. It is quite rough not being able to see any of it
fallow yacht
Can grove guardians body pull if a patrol walks near them?
vivid mountain
hello guys, I have a question that wasn't answered yesterday. i see on murlok.io top player plays with starfire, moonkin form, sunfire AND rip rake and cat stuff, so my question is : why both ? I thought it was one or the other
waxen ingot
hello guys, I have a question that wasn't answered yesterday. i see on murlok.io...
I think ( I THINK, not confirmed sharing my thoughts), that our AOE dmg is so low that losing some ST to do any AOE is in their mind better than doing 0 aoe for a bit better ST
tiny gate
someone using the hottracker from @thorn plover and has the issue that it counts all rejuvs from all druids within the raids isntead of just yours?
glossy rose
could be for moonkin form for the heart of the wild, haven’t used that yet idk how strong it is i always use cat hotw
grizzled seal
someone using the hottracker from <@1230258700418158707> and has the issue that ...
That's impossible, you can't track other people's hots
tiny gate
i got confused as well
but it showed 24 rejuvs stacks+ in raid while i hade around 10 abundance
i forgot to make a screenshot
spark river
are you sure it wasnt 24 seconds?
tiny gate
absolutley
i try to go into a pug and recreate it
i also relogged and it still showed it
lyric otter
anyway to sim my stats ? idk if i need mastery or haste
i got so lucky with my heroic from 4 dungeons done... just simmed. its like a 1.5% increase. thats absurdly high for one item as a healer
whole horizon
anyway to sim my stats ? idk if i need mastery or haste
QE Live
lyric otter
Didnt know if I could check stat weights. but I did sim and it showed the gems/enchants to use so its did what I needed anyways
whole horizon
not a good way to see unfortunately
lyric otter
over 1300 haste, didnt know if it wouldnt be my best stat but it is
whole horizon
how much haste/mastery do you have? % unbuffed
lyric otter
whole horizon
mastery
grizzled seal
I have way more haste than that
lyric otter
I got this ring so now i got lots of haste
grizzled seal
I'm at 45% haste in raid
lyric otter
didnt even kill that boss yet. lucky find from my 4x mythic dungeon quest lol
holy thats huge lol
whole horizon
i do too but 35% feels really comfortable. its not like some magic cutoff though.
lyric otter
256/1315/766/103
dont got much secondary stats to lose. just need better gear with mastery
whole horizon
thats a huge ring btw
lyric otter
its insane. lur'a only heroic boss i didnt kill, and i get the bis ring from the 4x dung quest
whole horizon
yeah i pulled a bis trinket out of the cache on my aug, it felt amazing
lyric otter
such luck. i didnt even know the quest gave a random heroic. usually when i grind it in hopes for upgrades it never is
whole horizon
i was in vc with a friend and went "how sick would it be if i pulled the lura trinket"
yeah its only March loot
very pog
lyric otter
insane lol i would of been super happy with crown haste neck or locus trinket
i got this ring that i didnt even know existed
whole horizon
i think they figured most people wouldnt manage to pug heroic lura anytime soon so they made the cache strictly beloren + lura loot
vivid peak
Can grove guardians body pull if a patrol walks near them?
Yes they can
glossy rose
put some haste into mastery on heroic crown prog since it’s just goin so long for mana but idk if it was the right call
dps aren’t clearing arrow stacks
plain steeple
Isn’t the fight capped to 10min?
With convoke and MS you shouldn’t oom there.
lyric otter
haste also increases attacks in catweaving for faster mana gain, but idk if that makes a big diff
plain steeple
Unless you misplay with too many rejuvs.
lyric otter
i dont convoke in cat, but 5 cp rip , hotw, bite, its a good chunk of mana for a few seconds
plain steeple
haste also increases attacks in catweaving for faster mana gain, but idk if that...
It doesn’t.
You gain more energy reg, but you can use 5 rakes + finisher almost without haste.
And you won’t do that several times in a row.
Actually you‘d never need to do that.
Just hotw into finisher every 2min.
patent ridge
Hey everyone! Can someone explain why, on some logs, people are using Convoke with less than 1 minute between casts?
(in raid)
whole horizon
Hey everyone! Can someone explain why, on some logs, people are using Convoke wi...
Control of the Dream, KotG talent
cunning fossil
Hi guys, I'm watching a pov of a POS +19 and the druid always use Wild Growth after a swiftmend. Is this correct? I was using a reju after a swiftmend.
patent ridge
Control of the Dream, KotG talent
tyvm ! 🙂
plain steeple
We reg 150k mana per minute in pve.
Your MS generally has a small influence.
On a long fight it gives you more mana to last for another 30s round about. It’s nice, but the impact of your playstyle is far higher.
whole horizon
Hi guys, I'm watching a pov of a POS +19 and the druid always use Wild Growth af...
WG has no interaction with SM now, that was last expac
plain steeple
If you play efficient you could last for 15min without MS.
cunning fossil
WG has no interaction with SM now, that was last expac
But it's consuming the soul of the forest buff. 😮
whole horizon
that is to say, it doesnt do anything. you could SM WG Rejuv or SM Rejuv WG, its just for timing the WG.
plain steeple
But it's consuming the soul of the forest buff. 😮
No
whole horizon
no, it doesnt
cunning fossil
Ty, he's probably too fast pressing buttons and I'm thinking it's been consumed by wild growth. Ty for the explanation ❤️
plain steeple
Maybe the player in the video used rejuv after wg - it then looked as if it was consumed by the wg cast?
Or an instant regrowth instead.
waxen ingot
Ty, he's probably too fast pressing buttons and I'm thinking it's been consumed ...
You can cast rg
before SW
and if you click sw fast enaugh
it will consume it
or maybe they fixed that
nope
they didnt
plain steeple
Blizz wanted to fix it.
Sometimes it does consume it, sometimes not.
It’s not reliable now.
waxen ingot
I wont like it feels nice in m+
to sometimes do it
casting rg on 1 target and someone else takes dmg mid cast
so u spell Q sw and heal both
cunning fossil
So it's situational how to consume the Soul of the forest, right? Sometimes applying 3 regrowth saves the party on a high damage situation
snow umbra
How does it have two sockets on it?
oak garnet
I rarely use sm rg but do it at times for that reason
Also if you sm rg and then rejuv the rg will cleave 3 but the rejuv will also get pota bonus just not cleave
And using wg before you consume your pota sotf is beneficial if you can as it'll buff your pota rejuvs from the wg/sb hots.
Usually wg is the first thing Im casting after lifebloom unless I'm moving
cunning fossil
Ty for the clarification, I will change my rotation after that !
snow umbra
Does anyone have any advice on how to do more effective healing? I'm hitting my assigned ramp timings and spending Regrowths out of it, but I'm frequently seeing 35-50% overhealing on logs. It feels shit and my parse is shit. For Raw HPS I'm often top or 2nd on the meters, but on logs I'm often 3rd or last.
My guild is now getting into the later stages of Paladins, and I really want to be in contention for selection for Cosmo + the MQD bosses, but I'm concerned I won't get there with green parses
spark river
Does anyone have any advice on how to do more effective healing? I'm hitting my ...
Thats normal
Overhealing part
Green parses tell us there is another problem
snow umbra
So how are Druids on logs doing 170k+ and 15% overhealing, whilst I'm doing 120k and 45% overhealing
spark river
Check the heal comp
If they have a strong evoker/disc/monk you wont be able to heal as much
lament river
Is there a midnight quazii profile for platter?
snow umbra
If they have a strong evoker/disc/monk you wont be able to heal as much
I've got a strong Evoker, Monk and Hpala
sudden rover
Does anyone have any advice on how to do more effective healing? I'm hitting my ...
I was about to ask same thing, I killed Averzian Mythic yesterday in pugs, I did 120k hps but only 53 parse. Wowanalyzer tells me I'm good everywhere, nothing to point out. So idk how to get better
spark river
Well thats the problem then
I have a 99 parse on averzian
We are 3 healing it
Thats basically it
snow umbra
So its a case of tell everyone else to do less
spark river
My guild is even like not good
Top guilds 2 heal it
If you have a good healing team, no one will be able to parse
desert kayak
It dies way faster with good dps but you also shouldn't be oom
sudden rover
damn
ye I mean im doing it in pugs right
people dying and not dodging etc
but still
whole horizon
yeah my guild is ass and we 3 healed it easily
spark river
I even misplayed a lot that fight
But thats just because of pure damage
More stuff to heal with 3 healers
gaunt willow
Is there a midnight quazii profile for platter?
He quit and deleted all his UI stuff
tough portal
Absolute king type shit
sudden rover
could u look at my kill real quick adn tell me if u spot some missplay somewhere?
wowanalyzer doesnt reveal shit
spark river
You can send it, sure
gaunt willow
how u go that high damn gz
3 healers and good dps = good healer parse
sudden rover
You can send it, sure
im otpdruid
i got 52 cpm like u guys told me the other day, trying to press more buttons
but still not enough
median marsh
8 more CPM to go
vivid peak
Your rg is pretty low
median marsh
8 spells is a lot
spark river
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Prtp6RVATYdmyxwW?fight=24&type=summary
So stuff that I would change is regrowth ratio to rejuv, tree uptime, no combat pots
tough portal
Practically all of the reason for the CPM missing is recklessness pot
spark river
He can still hit 55 without reck
spark river
My logs went from 55 -> 60 with reck
sudden rover
we arent using Light's potential as resto?
spark river
No
snow umbra
I've dropped a clip as to what I think the issue is
spark river
You want haste to spread out the hots
sudden rover
damn
vivid peak
Im getting 56 without pot
vivid peak
How
broken viper
@vast rapids
tough portal
Subtraction
vivid peak
39 sounds kinda low
snow umbra
See in that clip I just dropped I'm on 12+ abundance stacks, hit a Tranq and convoke and sit at 120k hps whilst everyone else is 180k+
vivid peak
Can't count 51 cpm without germ
median marsh
See in that clip I just dropped I'm on 12+ abundance stacks, hit a Tranq and con...
Convoke before Tranq + because of this after your tranq you only cast Regrowth on 4 people during the potential healing window and 3/4 of them already had a regrowth on them
snow umbra
Convoke before Tranq + because of this after your tranq you only cast Regrowth o...
Would it have mattered? The whole raid is topped before I've even finished casting the second Regrowth
median marsh
Also, between 10 to 15 seconds I can’t tell if you cast anything in between your tranq and convoke while you’re moving for shield circles
Pre-Ramp your Tranq > Convoke > Tranq > slam regrowth on the entire raid
snow umbra
Also, between 10 to 15 seconds I can’t tell if you cast anything in between your...
No I didn't I was moving there
median marsh
Prioritising damaged raid members with HoT stacks
median marsh
No I didn't I was moving there
That’s 2-3 rejuv casts while moving at least
ABC, if you have downtime especially before an upcoming big healing window, ofc others healers will get the healing before you
tough portal
You just mistimed and were ramping when damage hit
This shoulda been your Tranq
You hit it 5s earlier
snow umbra
Its assigned by RL to cover Searing Radiance damage
median marsh
Tranq arguably the strongest healing CD in the game rn
tough portal
Talk to them
median marsh
Have a discussion about it being assigned to cover big damage events
tough portal
Or just exercise your free will
You were already ramping/ramped for it, Convoke there and press some Regrowths and Tranq the shields
snow umbra
We're in discussion about moving Convoke anyways. Its not really covering much at the moment
Is there anything else glaring?
tough portal
You did by far the most healing in this clip btw
You arent getting heavily sniped or anything
But at 20-25s into the pull you're just spam hovering frames faster than your Regrowth casts and not healing anybody
snow umbra
Subjectively it didn't feel like it
tough portal
You arent doing any healing to people with absorbs, your Lifebloom drops ALL the time and you put it on someone different each time
snow umbra
But at 20-25s into the pull you're just spam hovering frames faster than your Re...
I know thats an issue. I'm trying to slow down. Honestly I've got better
snow umbra
You arent doing any healing to people with absorbs, your Lifebloom drops ALL the...
Thats also something I'm talking about with leadership. The consensus was to concentrate on the raid and let those with healing absorbs (monk and pala) sort those out.
Should I keep LB on myself? I read in this channel that if you do you limit self healing and leech which affects overall
I manage it better on myself, otherwise I'm looking for a ranged that stacked in the group which is why it jumps around
median marsh
I manage it better on myself, otherwise I'm looking for a ranged that stacked in...
easy mode is to keep LB on yourself and always swiftmend yourself
With VI
No point gaming around leech, it’s just a pad number anyways
sudden rover
do I use reck pot at the same time as bloodlust (does it stack) or do I need to wait for lust to fade
rugged lodge
Hi all, I am new to druid in general and want to focus on m+. I am currently setting up my spells, macros etc. How do you guys shapeshift? Do u use macros for that? e.g. catweave or bear. Thanks in advance! 🙂
tame talon
Hi all, I am new to druid in general and want to focus on m+. I am currently set...
fluid form and just press rake
rugged lodge
Makes sense but how do you turn back to your "healing" form? Just by casting a healing spell? or any fancy macro?
whole horizon
you can cast a healing spell, press the shapeshift button again, or use a /cancelform macro
a healing spell is preferred because its something you need to press anyways
dry belfry
do I use reck pot at the same time as bloodlust (does it stack) or do I need to ...
u should pot with cds, not necessarily lust but u can do it during lust fine
whole horizon
We're in discussion about moving Convoke anyways. Its not really covering much a...
what do your current convoke assignments look like? do you have a timeline?
snow umbra
what do your current convoke assignments look like? do you have a timeline?
We're using the Viserio wowutils sheet and an NSRT note
Current timings are 0:13, 1:08, 2:08, 3:15: 4:07 and then on CD after
Tranq at 1:03, 4:03, 7:11
whole horizon
thats good then, sometimes leaving your smaller CDs up to your RL doesnt bode well
snow umbra
I didn't decide those timings. We have a healing officer who is quite clued up
whole horizon
id just reiterate what face said in a slightly different way. if you consider your timings too rigid and don't adapt during the pull, you'll do stuff like sending your tranq 8s early.
whole horizon
I didn't decide those timings. We have a healing officer who is quite clued up
yeah, im implying that is a problem
your RL isnt playing your class, you should know way more than they do about appropriate times to press your buttons
spark river
I prefer a bit of freedom with the smaller cd