resto

[proven phoenix]

but the difference between heroic and mythic is way bigger than the difference between normal and heroic

just in general not damage taken

[wide rose]

yeah i can see the HPS and DTPS on clears is so much higher

roughly 50% more damage taken between heroic and mythic from what i'm seeing

[cyan minnow]

no the logic here is wrong, face2face pointed it out to me a week or two ago and I thought I fixed it but I guess I just never put up a PR for it

your log with the fix would look more like

[whole horizon]

you guys know how Loom'ithar Primal Spellstorm baits were bugged and would target Rogues and DKs despite being ranged mechs?

[main timber]

@proven phoenix put together a commentary of his week 1 Vorasius kill. I think it is a very good watch if you are struggling with the spec

https://youtu.be/YcZsfIKv-XY

[proven phoenix]

DONT LINK IT HERE oh god

[whole horizon]

is that same thing happening on Crown with the void zone baits?

i was always under the impression the first void zone is always baited on ranged, but that the purple arrows for the 2nd and 3rd zones can appear on anyone

i'm trying to figure out if it's a ranged-only mech or not

[main timber]

Have you read this channel lately, this is going to help many

[proven phoenix]

ok that is true

[thorn whale]

Phased you’re the goat

[proven phoenix]

ty...

[spark river]

oh god the thick accent

[main timber]

I'm convinced commentary videos are the best way to improve

[untold perch]

I agree lol

[main timber]

Fits the channel. Everyone who has a guide on there has a non-US accent

[drifting timber]

Where am I going wrong if I’m going oom in keys? 12/14’s. Like I can make it to each boss but gotta fully drink

[untold perch]

sometimes peoples UI is so hard to see

[whole horizon]

i wouldn't even call it thick

the commentary is on point though

[untold perch]

Are you running ws for keys?

[drifting timber]

Yeah

[grizzled seal]

Next time we are gonna hire some Irish dude from the countryside to narrate this shit and you will cry

[main timber]

This is the Vorasius content channel now

[silk ice]

Omg it’s so good

[main timber]

Gonna try and team up with Phased for the other bosses too. Particularly Dragons ->

[proven phoenix]

yes

[silk ice]

Surely such a huge contribution deserves a green or orange name

[proven phoenix]

lmfao is that all u can think of man

[silk ice]

[proven phoenix]

I will try and speak slower though next time....

[versed fiber]

l o l

[proven phoenix]

you could get me to yap a 3000 word essay on any boss

[drifting timber]

First question is he to soak regrowth on players with mastery stacks, does that mean players with rejuv?

[main timber]

It's hard isn't it, there are too many things you want to say

[proven phoenix]

yes

mastery stacks are just hots

[drifting timber]

K

[proven phoenix]

see thats 1 guy helped already

big W in my book

[drifting timber]

Yeah that’s in the first min lol

[proven phoenix]

good work by that guy then, presenting crucial information early

[drifting timber]

Yes

[untold perch]

I tend to only use rg when it procs unless I absolutely have to in keys. That is usually a mana eater.

and I keep rejuv out and wild growth

[main timber]

Careful with that, Regrowth with a few rejuvs out is actually very cheap

[spark river]

loved the commentary

do more please

[untold perch]

then swiftmend rejuv everytime it is up

and nature swift with convoke for my get out of jail heals

[proven phoenix]

yes it was something I had to unlearn this tier, I still have muscle memory to only regrowth between 8-12 stacks

[silk ice]

You can only get the add once so after the first fixate you get, you can just go mid instantly

[proven phoenix]

but even at 6 regrowth is very good

[proven phoenix]

this was 3 weeks ago

[silk ice]

Oh

[proven phoenix]

we didnt have such tech yet

[whole horizon]

this is the kind of info i love

[drifting timber]

I just find people are taking constant dmg. Maybe they just stand in too much shit I’d

[silk ice]

It says 11 min ago

[whole horizon]

ty

[proven phoenix]

well I meant our kill

[silk ice]

Oh

[proven phoenix]

but yeah maybe I should've mentioned that

that is real lore tho

u can only get picked once

[main timber]

Oh yeah we can add stuff to video description if we want

[proven phoenix]

I suppose one of us can just comment on it

[untold perch]

yeah well that too lol was in a 13+ and they didn't know how to do the piles in the last boss in pit 😭

[proven phoenix]

BE AWARE: YOU CAN ONLY GET FIXATED ONCE PER FIGHT

we are the vorasius channel after all

[untold perch]

Sym tank and keep lifebloom stack on them or the squishy of the group, then wildgrowth, swiftmend and rejuvs across the board. Use rg when it procs. Then if you need the emergency heals I have a macro for nature swift/convoke

[wide rose]

i so agree ya

i was watching vick's earlier

[steady lily]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ptGgJTxawB36AVP8?fight=last&type=summary

anything i can do better healing wise?

[spark river]

well you are spamming rejuvs into full hp bars

[shut barn]

https://tenor.com/view/lovely-dark-knight-batman-tom-hardy-bane-gif-5627595

[wide rose]

oh wait wowlog has this, that's awesome wtf. i guess there's enough logs on that site to split into ilvl brackets

[main timber]

It's basically a useless metric, I'd avoid

[wide rose]

o ok

because lower ilvls have worst players generally or something?

[shut barn]

Yup, was it your vid for pres evoker i saw? Either way that helped loads

[proven phoenix]

worse players and people just take it less seriously

[wide rose]

good that i mentionned it then

[clever cipher]

Ok I give up what raid frames are you guys using?

[wide rose]

gotcha

[proven phoenix]

grid2

[clever cipher]

Just did dragons with the cell fork and the private auras are a mess

[proven phoenix]

yes we are the premier vorasius channel now

[proven phoenix]

that boss doesnt stand a chance

[main timber]

Yep

[clever cipher]

why it showing paladin spell instead of the breath bro

[spark river]

because you re using cell

use a functioning addon

[proven phoenix]

I think thats just a bad way to show private auras now because a lot of bosses have more than 1 on each player

[clever cipher]

Yeah

I'm just curious how I'm meant to have room for half of these damn spells on frames lmfao

[wise galleon]

how come these embellished boots dont show any hps or dps increase?

[main timber]

My frames are just increasingly a mess

[shut barn]

Yea pres evoker is definitely an interesting thing to try and learn when you are new to healing, but i enjoy both evoker and druid so just been watching vids and combing logs to improve. Long ways to go but these commentary videos are very good considering these are the fights im on

[main timber]

Just haven't been implemented yet. I can add to my list

These effects that require you to look for an orb and then grab it are almost always bad

[clever cipher]

can you send me your grid2 profile? Does it handle priv auras better?

[proven phoenix]

I use nsrt to handle private auras

it has an option to make private aura anchors on raid frames

[clever cipher]

that's not a bad shout

[shut barn]

Yea super useful for 1st boss voidspire for dispelling

[steady lily]

anythign else

[spark river]

I mean you d find plenty wrong, if you go by the timeline. You re slamming 10 rejuvs before pulls. Thats simply not how you should play keys.

[wise galleon]

Do you know how much does aracanoweave lining increase primary stats and for how much? Is it 24 like its shown on website tooltip?

[steady lily]

im scared of people getting 1 tapped 🙁

[main timber]

24 is correct but that's the average. While it's active it's higher

[spark river]

Well, you have to learn to trust your hots and your group to not get 1 tapped

Spend more time helping with cc and doing damage

Slamming heals into full hp bars is not proper gameplay

[steady lily]

noted 🙂

[whole horizon]

if youre scared you should lower the key level and pay attention to cast timers and mob abilities

if you know when damage occurs you know how much to expect based on key level, and you can heal accordingly

[untold perch]

I keep forgetting to log personally lol. I have personally felt better holding back heals and not keeping hots up unless it's just rough and they don't know what to do or not stand in.

[hidden bay]

I just ran a key with verdancy+photo and something real weird seems to be happening with who Verdancy hits...

• My efflo hit the tank 655 times and me 79 times (i.e. I usually wasn't standing in it)
• Meanwhile verd hit me 1398 times and the tank only 339 times?

[tough portal]

I havent verified it every single patch but that is known from since Verdancy was added, you the caster always seem to count as a valid target and it prefers yourself

[hidden bay]

Huh. Fair enough.

[tough portal]

Tank at 339 sounds weird tho. Were they not in efflo often?

[hidden bay]

Efflo hit them 655 times. They were my LB target

[tough portal]

Ig it isnt weird

If most of the group is in

Cuz then it's like always you vs the other 4 splitting procs

But yeah this verdancy quirk is old

[hidden bay]

1st image Efflo, 2nd image Verdancy

[tough portal]

Ok that maybe just buggy as hell haha

Can you link the log?

I'm in the pooper rn but I wanna look at the events later

[hidden bay]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t9A4d63bHwyWm8hg?fight=last&type=healing&source=1&ability=392329

[shut barn]

Just watched it for druid. Yea main takeaway for me is regrowth more and stop overly rejuving. Its a habit I have to break for sure. I did get an unlucky pull where i needed to tranq the last add spawn but got an add on me and couldn’t move freely enough to get off a meaningful tranq

[thorn plover]

How to go oom 101

[bright swift]

bro I did a key with an aug for the first time

source is not ok

in keys

[pulsar kettle]

now ur spoiled

[bright swift]

i don't have to drink ever anymore..

[pulsar kettle]

rip

[thorn plover]

Yeah I run with an aug

It's amazing

[hidden bay]

Yeah this ain't right lol... I wonder if it's Blooming Frenzy doing this?

At 00:37:308 I apparently got hit with all three verd procs

[tough portal]

Looks like it's going on pets a TON, even when players in Efflo are missing HP

@main timber this looks worth investigatin / reporting, warrior for instance is clearly in Efflo and missing HP, not getting overhealed, but 2 of these Blooms here the Verdancy goes on a pet instead

[untold perch]

oh? What is best then? This is just kinda an overall. Not what I do at once. I don't usually have issues with mana.

[thorn plover]

You should be pressing regrowth, like a lot

[untold perch]

but that drains my mana the most

I might be missing something in my current tree setup

[thorn plover]

With like 5 rejuvs out it's cheaper than rejuv

[untold perch]

hmm let me login and look

[midnight dune]

Why is liveliness always picked in top m+ builds over MS? Is the dps loss that much? Like 60% increase to rip seems like a lot to me and you never have to worry about mana. I get that liveliness gives a bump to rake, sunfire, and moonfire but if you run starfall and starsurge, you'll never run out of mana and the damage drop can't be that bad.

[untold perch]

hmm idk this is my M+ tree I have setup right now

[thorn plover]

Because you should never have to worry about mana anyways

[vestal heath]

why does consuming soul of the forest with a swiftmend at the end of the regrowth cast not consistant anymore?

it still happens, but it's not consistant

[thorn plover]

Because they "fixed it"

There's a blue post about it

[vestal heath]

chinese druid Lota on his stream does it almost consistantly

thought maybe there was some tech

[proven phoenix]

im ngl it is always consistent for me still

[tough portal]

Mostly because mana shouldnt be an issue so far, the spec's been able to last >4 min of the hardest bosses to heal up to +20s, everything else doesnt have enough healing uptime to drain your mana like that + you drop combat and regen more than in combat, or drink as a last resort

[proven phoenix]

if I want to do it I can manage it every single time

[thorn plover]

I can still do it consistently too

[midnight dune]

I guess, when I started m+ I was only 250s and was going oom (likely skill issue) but when I swaped to MS no more oom. I'm 268 now and don't think I have mana issues now but the what from MS to liveliness doesn't seem worth it but I'm not sure what I'm missing

[thorn plover]

Livliness about 2-3% healing, and some dps

[vestal heath]

maybe ping/spellQueue window issues, spellQueue for me is on 180

[tough portal]

I can not replicate that at all, are we talking about the same spell queue gimmick?

[proven phoenix]

yes

[vestal heath]

idk i tested 25 casts in a row, i got like 5

[proven phoenix]

I can still always do sotf rg > sm spell queue

if I want to

[tough portal]

I can double SOTF with Regrowth into Rejuv
I cant do Regrowth into Swiftmend and back buff

[whole horizon]

the damage drop is that bad

[vestal heath]

i also noticed its much better with the double swiftmend talent

the extension swiftmend barely works

[thorn plover]

Spell queue 400

[rustic copper]

Do I make a 2nd regrowth bind

I mean swiftmend bind

[whole horizon]

if youre playing starfire+starsurge in keys instead of playing in melee, sure take MS

[rustic copper]

So I don’t queue it

[whole horizon]

but it's a big loss and it's not recommended

[thorn plover]

Isn't your whole keyboard already bound to regrowth

[rustic copper]

1 bind for swiftmend 1 bind for swiftmend cqs

[thorn plover]

Wym barely works

[vestal heath]

cant reproduce consistantly

is what i meant

[midnight dune]

I take ripe and rake for single target and starfall for aoe pulls.

[rustic copper]

[thorn plover]

Weird. I only take VI and can do it every time

[whole horizon]

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't Starfire doing 2x aoe damage a bug we expect them to fix?

[tough portal]

If you're trying to pad with Starfire, MS is not bad. It's just a discussion whether that is worth talenting into or not. But in this case, MS is potentially a DPS gain.

[thorn plover]

Depends how high on their priority list it is lol

I'm also doing the rake rip Starfire moonkin tech and my DPS has increased a fair bit

[bright swift]

what if I take MS for mana

[thorn plover]

But I don't expect it to stay

[thorn plover]

Feature*

[steel plank]

Was Dread Breath not made a regular debuff? I still don't see my dispell glow when someone has it. Same with first buff dispells :/

[proven phoenix]

I see my dispel glow on it just fine

the target is private still

only the fear is different

[steel plank]

What frames are you using? Danders?

[proven phoenix]

grid

[midnight dune]

I mean I'm not super try hard and just want a safe and robost build that keeps everyone alive in my +10-12 runs I've been doing. But I've been starfire moonkin for trash aoe pulls and for boss I'll rake,ripe, and bite for damage I dropped innervate since I never need it now.

[steel plank]

Oh I might have to try it

[thorn plover]

I see it on danders fine too

[untold perch]

Do ya all have any must haves for addons that are best for healing?

[midnight dune]

honestly, didn't even know it was bugged.

[steel plank]

I'll try resetting my Danders settings idk

[tough portal]

Yeah sure, that isnt something I do but it isnt the end of the world mate, all g

Starfire is cleaving 2x as much as the tooltip says / is intended. Wcyd.

[whole horizon]

yeah that's kind of why i'm hesitant to say, "yeah, that's a great idea!"

if MS does more damage than Liveliness with Starfire, go ahead and take it. be prepared for them to fix it and that to no longer be true.

i think Starfire is a clunky ability and it feels like shit to use, and my dps in melee is fine anyways

im also not trying to pad on AoE when my DPS are ending the pull at 500k

[tough portal]

I like the thrash weave much better than canceling starfire casts to move out of aoe

Or otherwise just banging down the caster / dangerous mob faster

[midnight dune]

gotcha I get that feeling about starfire. I get the sense is that the biggest drawback from taking MS over liviliness I'm leaving some healing on the table but it isn't all that much.

[rancid portal]

guys serious question, how do rest druids even heal very high keys? I have do admint that i have my problems in some keys on around 13-14 where I cant seem to top ppl up quickly enough. Its easy when you have cds but sometimes ppl just die and It seems like I cant do anything against it

[tough portal]

Apex and SOTF are broken effects

[midnight dune]

I had never considered using thrash.

[tough portal]

It isnt worth much if you're taking MS

But it's nice to fill time / do some padding without swapping 1 class tree talent and 1 spec tree talent to use Starfire

[serene goblet]

Was there a secret hotfix to reforestation this week? Last week I was able to build up stacks before a boss pull and pop my ToL right before

[tough portal]

Yes but not secret, I think they posted it in hotfixes no?

[whole horizon]

chinese players do a lot of things that go against conventional wisdom. the language barrier and separation between publishers makes it difficult to recommend following any of their players. they also have accelerated progression/increased reset frequency, so it's like they're playing an entirely different game.

[thorn plover]

It's in the patch notes

[serene goblet]

Ahh….i thought it was my addons or game so I kept restarting. lol

[thorn plover]

LB/Rejuvs/WG out, hit regrowth. Pretty easy gameplay

[midnight dune]

yea, I guess I'll experiment with liveliness. MS has been my safety net and scared to drop it. I know I'm not playing optimally, but with MS I can just constantly refresh rejuvs and never have to worry about mana. It's been useful for when I didn't know all the damage sources but now that I've learned a lot of them I guess I can be a little more mindful

[whole horizon]

weekly keys aren't a big deal, so play how you want. just know that mana issues indicate gameplay issues, so if you want to get better then you should assess what's wrong. dropping MS would be the first step.

[tough portal]

Yep that makes sense
I think it's important to get a sense of the timing of things, and mentally noting down what is dangerous about each dungeon

[severe shoal]

any1 know how to get imperator mythic debuffs on grid2, i have private auras enabled but still having to switch to danders just to see them

[bright swift]

add an indicator with private auras

[severe shoal]

oh so just have nothing enabled there? i had unit types enabled

[bright swift]

what addon do you guys use for targeted abilities now?

[pulsar hill]

my healthbar

If it goes down then oof I got hit

[bright swift]

real

[severe shoal]

exwindtools has kickable cast ability tracker

[serene goblet]

Can you link it? I’ve been searching through the most recent ones and don’t see it.

[thorn plover]

Mythic Dungeon Casts

[whole horizon]

i don't use targeted casts, my casting bars on nameplates are noticeable enough

[thorn plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/improved-visibility-in-voidspire-and-mythic-midnight-hotfixes-for-april-3rd-381107?utm_source=discord-webhook

[whole horizon]

i've felt a lot more comfortable this season because i put a ton of effort into learning each key and pull during preseason

[serene goblet]

Thank you!

[clever cipher]

Just abuse china build teehee

[tough portal]

I keep losing to the chinese in pokemon dont even

[clever cipher]

Play better idk

[tough portal]

It's ok I'm about to xfer my shinies from Z-A and it'll be goated again

Cant lose with shiny Delphox

[clever cipher]

I’m such a fake nerd

Never played Pokémon

[lean ledge]

hi noob question, does anyone have a "good" video for checking out details of resto? new to it

[oak garnet]

Taking any hps loss to do more dps as a healer is trolling your team

Why I would never take MS

[clever cipher]

A lot of video content is immediately outdated, so it’s not your best content to consume to learn

[whole horizon]

its like news, you should be getting your gameplay tips from multiple sources

[lean ledge]

yeahhh thats waht i was noticing lol

ill just use Dreamgrove

[proven phoenix]

the best videos to watch are just povs

[lean ledge]

and vods

[whole horizon]

there are a few vids that aren't bad and will explain relevant basics, but you should consult guides and ask questions here to learn more when you feel like you're starting to struggle

[vivid peak]

phased has a good commentary video on voracius

[lean ledge]

ill check it out, ty!

[vivid peak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcZsfIKv-XY

[lean ledge]

well damn don't spoil me now lol, thank you!

[gentle nova]

How to master rdruid: press regrowth

@rustic copper

Real?

[next mist]

phased

[untold perch]

I'm like scared to ask anything now lol.. So you'd go regrowth and wildgrowth more over swiftmend rejuv and rejuv?

[silk ice]

Phased should make more content

[proven phoenix]

I been pressing regrowths buddy

[gentle nova]

Not enough

Press more

MORE

[proven phoenix]

nice man

[gentle nova]

You should see the light too

[obsidian sable]

ao

[gentle nova]

ao

[untold perch]

how does it not just drain your mana lol

[pulsar kettle]

awawa

[gentle nova]

Cause rg costs less than rejuv at 4 stacks of abundance

And just using VI and sotf rejuvs you can maintain 5 perma

[untold perch]

ahh I see now

what causes abundance to fall off? or does it do it after X amount of time? I can't seem to see what is triggering it

[gentle nova]

Its just your rejuvs expiring

1 rejuv = 1 abundance

[untold perch]

ahhhh it's all clicking now haha

ok now I see why everyone loves rg lmao

[rustic copper]

Real

[plain steeple]

8 perma almost

[untold perch]

this is like a life hack lmao

[whole horizon]

i noticed that during Nicks RWF, there were plenty of times he just sat around 5 stacks

[rustic copper]

Try pressing regrowth on different people

[gentle nova]

They need to buff nb by 100%

[plain steeple]

With convoke and tranq you have 9 average abundance stacks.

[whole horizon]

you definitely get some healing value out of extra RJ if you manage to time your ramp perfectly, so more is better, but spamming RG gets you a ton of NB cleave

[gentle nova]

Do you?

Those gcds can be more regrowths

[gentle nova]

Or remove it im done

[whole horizon]

yeah, i tried just relying on SotF + Rejuv and convoke but preramping RG didn't seem to net more than ramping with RJ, it was just more mana efficient

the extra rejuvs definitely make a difference in HPS during the actual damage event

[gentle nova]

You dont preramp rg tho

[whole horizon]

then call it a ramp, whatever you like

its just pressing RG before damage instead of after

[gentle nova]

I really dont know if rejuving more is more hps

[proven phoenix]

the most I do is one sotf rg before tranq

[untold perch]

So I notice Rejuv -> sometimes stacks 1-2 abundance Swiftmend -> Rejuv 4-5 stacks of abundance then RG like crazy lol

then WG here and there and your mana barely moves

excited for keys later lol

[whole horizon]

i'm trying to become a VI enjoyer so it was exclusively sotf RJ

but i want to understand when sotf RG is better

[gentle nova]

Only after tranq or your mana just dissapears

[dull delta]

Hey some advice what I should pick? Trinket or ring?

[gentle nova]

Or in very short fights

[whole horizon]

sim with QE live

yeah it was crazy, i always thought my mana depleted because i wasnt regrowthing enough

but there is such a thing as not using rejuv enough

[bright swift]

isn't that a haste/mastery ring

[whole horizon]

ending fights at 60% mana means i should have rejuv'd more

[proven phoenix]

yeah

thats the magisters terrace ring

[gentle nova]

You just send the sotf on rejuvs

[gentle nova]

Or regrowthed more

With sotf 🙂

[whole horizon]

big true

[untold perch]

it's this one

[gentle nova]

Must be nice

[whole horizon]

could be better but i was proud of it

[gentle nova]

How can you maintain your mana with that many wgs

[whole horizon]

thats whats crazy

oh probably MS

[gentle nova]

[whole horizon]

but i was struggling to burn mana

like my bar just wouldnt go down

definitely could have dropped MS i think

but what would i take? HB? liveliness?

[gentle nova]

I see it going down tho?

If you did lura you would just not be able to heal with that many wgs

[whole horizon]

yeah ik, i'm only thinking for shorter fights

[solid hornet]

what are yall using to know when to start ramping? Just DBM or wow timer, or something else? i'm struggling with raid healing but i'm thinking i'm probably just doing ramp ineffectively/at the wrong times and i possibly just need to know dmg profile of the fights better

[whole horizon]

this was Vorasius and my guild is actually trash, so our kills are longer than average

i'm playing with people who have never gotten CE before and failed to get it every season last expac

[gentle nova]

Oh, play without ms on short fights for sure

Short being 6-7 min

[grave oak]

I got this from weekly. I am an idiot and did not craft my weapon early on. I have sparks currently to craft a 1 hander. Would the play be to craft Magisters ritual knife and just this off hand with it?

[proven phoenix]

no

a heroic weapon is useless

[south remnant]

question , what should be the highest Healing Output on resto at midnight ? didnt play him since s2 last addon

[grave oak]

even though my main hand would be 285

[bright swift]

what does highesto output mean

[dull delta]

yes it is haste high mastery

[proven phoenix]

yes just craft a 2h, there is no point using a heroic offhand

[bright swift]

take it

[south remnant]

from details HP meter

[bright swift]

yeah man

but in what specifically

[whole horizon]

(285+276) / 2 is 280

[south remnant]

so what is normally the 1st,2nd and 3rd best healing outpout overall in a dungeon

[whole horizon]

why would you settle for a 280 ilvl weapon combo

[bright swift]

rejuv/regrowth top 2

[south remnant]

ah ok

ty 🙂

[grave oak]

True

I can just wait the extra week for another spark

[whole horizon]

yeah if you didnt craft a weapon at all and you sent your sparks, gg

with no myth weapon in vault you played yourself

[balmy spire]

right now ws is far behind kotg or?

tried some some fights on random pug

and cant get near to my kotg hps

[bright swift]

in raid there's no question

[whole horizon]

just save up 4 sparks in case you don't get any myth weapon options in the next few weeks, and if you get a myth 1h/oh then you can craft a 1h/oh instead

[bright swift]

kotg is massively ahead

[whole horizon]

i saw a top log running WS

[balmy spire]

yeah seems like log pushing or smth 😛

[whole horizon]

my friend was looking at it so i didnt go too deep but i thought it was weird

[balmy spire]

ws blooms doesnt heal any good imho

[gaunt willow]

Llorgs

[whole horizon]

probably mattiu's alt tbh

he was talking about implant tech

[balmy spire]

dunno ws feels weird in raid atm

[whole horizon]

just 1st boss and they 3 healed

he probably couldve done more with kotg

[balmy spire]

was random on chim

[gentle nova]

I dont know, maybe with tol

[bright swift]

tol is more rejuv oriented

why would you not want to buff rejuvs

you also spawn treants

[whole horizon]

yeah actually

[gentle nova]

I said maybe with tol

That was a 180k pull

Look at your kotg logs

Plus it will buff the new apex more

With implant vi on you

[bright swift]

strategic infusion is crazy what the fuck

[whole horizon]

squish said the module isnt working atm

he didnt submit the PR for it but it should be much lower

[bright swift]

y eah that makes 0 sense

it's 4% crit chance on hots

[gentle nova]

Even if its not

[bright swift]

it can't be 9%

[gentle nova]

Working

Add up the other shit

• a new mastery stack

[bright swift]

hard to beat this

[gentle nova]

• just raw healing on the hot and buesting growth

?

Root network did 4.5%

And creepers did another 5

Its literally the same lmao

[bright swift]

hmm

[gentle nova]

Patient custodian which would equivalent to power of nature did 3

Ws is bis

[bright swift]

sylvan beckoning is pretty massive too

[gentle nova]

Dont at me

[bright swift]

3.6% on my alleria kill

[whole horizon]

losing the duration on refo and the CDR on SM will hurt overall, idk how you calculate for that

[gentle nova]

And dream bloom?

[bright swift]

lower sm cd

dream bloom 2%

[gentle nova]

Because symb bloom + bursting growth did 8%

So ws is just better?

[bright swift]

I guess it's not that far behind

[gentle nova]

Im seeing its ahead

Except you lose the cool shit

Cdr, control, longer refo which u wont play next patch

[bright swift]

I'm already not playing longer refo

this shit owns

[balmy spire]

overall ws talents did more hps then kotg

[whole horizon]

if you're playing heavy RG you also should have higher rate of Blooms

[rustic copper]

Sm cdr and control of the dream is important i think if you are cancelaura maxing

[thorn plover]

Am I reading this right? WS raid is back?

[bright swift]

control of the dream is so good

[whole horizon]

wait till 12.0.5 and ppl test lol

[bright swift]

i couldn't pl ay without it

[gentle nova]

Control is mandatory if you play bird and convoke

[rustic copper]

No because heavy rg comes with a lot of talents that blocks you from taking ms

[gentle nova]

🙁

[rustic copper]

The extra rg is not even close to as important as the wg you can’t afford to cast

Tree

[bright swift]

Don't test me

I'm loving tree

gonna play it on last 2 too

[gentle nova]

Bird is just too good for voke

[whole horizon]

show tree

[bright swift]

disagree

[gentle nova]

Tree wont cover solo color swaps

[plain steeple]

ToL would be amazing with Apex in 12.0.5, if you could only play ToL + cenarius guidance + reforestation.

[gentle nova]

And the intermission is just soloed by the mw anyway

[rustic copper]

I’m on my phone but you’re simply not spamming regrowth and taking ms

Idk how that’s hard to understand

[whole horizon]

it's not hard, i just want to understand more

you get away with saying cryptic shit and not sharing info way too much

[gentle nova]

Lmao he can do what he wants

[whole horizon]

i know he can, so can i

thats why im pestering him

[rustic copper]

[whole horizon]

[gentle nova]

Tree on second color swap?

[rustic copper]

I kinda blast intermission im ngl

[gentle nova]

The one with evang and conduit

[rustic copper]

Even without tree

[gentle nova]

[bright swift]

yeah why not

[rustic copper]

Tree is for noobs

[bright swift]

what evang

[gentle nova]

Because its double cded by the disc and monk

[bright swift]

the one at 0:51?

[gentle nova]

The 2nd one yes

[bright swift]

There's nobody on that except me

what are you saying

[gentle nova]

Disc evangs the very end of intermission

Idk what you playing then

[bright swift]

disc pops on pull

[gentle nova]

Sounds weird

[bright swift]

and intermission

[rustic copper]

Same

[gentle nova]

Whos covering the tail end

With the color swap

Thats what kills people

[bright swift]

Maybe I move the disc to that

[rustic copper]

You don’t need a cd on 3rd color swap?

[bright swift]

it's up

[gentle nova]

4th

Right after the double tick at the end of egg

[rustic copper]

Oh after intermission?

[bright swift]

good amz point

[rustic copper]

Livers live

Idk

[gentle nova]

We had the disc move the evang there because me and mw cover egg

[rustic copper]

Empty the bad again

[gentle nova]

And then we are dry

And people just flop to the double tick at the end plus insta color swap and soak orbs

Cause theres no cds

[bright swift]

empty = bag

[gentle nova]

So if you move disc for that part

Making him cd opener is pointless

Just move the evang to 2nd

And you cover first with monk

And then you can probably tree 3rd and it would last whole egg?

[rustic copper]

That shit is so funny lol

[bright swift]

pops up for everyone

it's hilarious

[rustic copper]

Ever since nexus king dimmy

It’s like empty the bag into empty the bag again

[cinder pike]

genuinely if there was one of these for every healing class i would watch them

[bright swift]

HAHAHA

alright guys empty another bag

[gentle nova]

Nah the most fun shit is

Personals

Everyone personal and personal again

Then personal again

15 seconds apart

Called by a dk

[whole horizon]

meanwhile my players are pressing personals when we have healing CDs assigned and they dont have shit when they get targeted by a mech

[grizzled seal]

my personal favorite is "EVERYTHING TO LIVE"

I always call that

[coarse bay]

what food should i drink between pulls if i dont have mage food?

i dont wanna do the follower dungeon trick to get mage food , i just wanna buy and have some in my bag, but i dont know which one is "best"

[gentle nova]

Sanguithorn tea

[rustic copper]

Dps get scared too easily

My favorite is get crown heal absorb and insta self dispel

[alpine pike]

the crap inkeeper sells. it is better than mage food

and also does hp too

wish it stacked to 200

[fervent mica]

theres a tea does 8% thats the best, iirc

[whole horizon]

a lot of them are just bad bc they do it in keys too. they take the damage and press their defensive after.

its just hard playing with a group thats not that capable but wants to be, all you can really do is yell at them to get better and put callouts in their note but they'll still press at the wrong time.

[little briar]

anyone got a grid2 profile they can send me

[proven phoenix]

look at what they actually are

like look at some pov or screenshots before just taking someones profile

[alpine pike]

have you tried dander frames

[little briar]

I did try but felt was too much

also thinking grid is too much xd

[main timber]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/user-interface/

[quiet wyvern]

@main timber are icyveins and wowhead the same info or you like to spice it up and say different things to cause more chaos ?

[main timber]

Ideally they should match

But they don't update at the same speed so sometimes one will lag behind a little bit

[quiet wyvern]

which one is more cancer with their internal markdown ?

[cyan minnow]

its wrong atm

[proven phoenix]

just hand over a guide to me

I will manage it.

[hollow pond]

Trying to get my abundance from betterCD manager to a more visible spot, ive trying moving anchors x and y I see where its supposed to be in the 2nd picture but it always reverts back behind my frame, does anyone know how to fix t hat?

[silk ice]

phased for President

[cedar mural]

just got the lightblind wrath trinket, is there anything I should macro it under or just use it on cd/with convoke?

[proven phoenix]

I would make a good president

[silk ice]

[stark scaffold]

Hey guys, coming back to rDruid since Legion... I have a couple questions... I read the WoWhead page and everything, been healing +11's but all the time I have been wondering why Wildstalker is more used than KotG in m+? aside from the damage that wildstalker can provide (I can catweave but I'm not very good at it)

And... is there any addon you guys recommend to keep track of HotS? (I mainly rely on animations but sometimes i miss the tick and I reapply the hot)

[proven phoenix]

do not rely on animations

use raid frames

I use grid you can use whatever you want

[gentle nova]

Cause it does more healing

Simple as

Read the talents

[urban kestrel]

Yeah it's mostly for the mastery and hot bonuses but Ive also done 16s as kotg so it ain't bad and you get to unbind moonfire

[weary moss]

I use a lifebloom tracker, tremendous help, lifebloom uptime is now at 99%

[gentle nova]

@thorn plover check dm

[stark scaffold]

Ok so basically, use grid to track the hots, and Wildstalker helps more with the hots... okay

thanks for the clarification

[tough portal]

Great pov video on QE channel bro I watched it and dropped a comment to support your presence

[proven phoenix]

thank you thank you

more content incoming soon...

[stable iron]

What dragon buff do we take in Algeth'ar? Haste?

[compact fable]

hey all, has any1 found a way to add time stamps to the death recap logs ?

[tough portal]

I dont know but I suggest you just log everything and check deaths in the log

In-game death recape is very rough

[thorn plover]

Yeah. The mastery buff has something weird or low with it iirc

[compact fable]

yeah, looks like that's what I'm going to have to do. ty

[thorn plover]

Understatement lol.
Yesterday I clicked recap, showed I died to X. Closed it and reopened it, and it had completely different things in it. Closed it and reopened it again and it had spells from a different boss completely

Seems like a pretty important feature for them to screw up so badly

[ember sky]

Myth head to upgrade hero or occlusion?

[jovial tartan]

bright af

[ember sky]

Lmao, accidentally copied from snip tool so it's brighter than usual

[whole horizon]

did you sim it

occlusion is heavy crit

[ember sky]

Is QE live sim back? I haven't used since midnight cause I thought it wasn't working

[proven phoenix]

its definitely just helm

and yes its back

[ember sky]

Oh bless, appreciate it

[proven phoenix]

if you dont have mythic tier you just take the helm its not even close

[ember sky]

Yeah, wish it was omission tbh, and sin'dorei came out of my emissary box. Almost like they want me to be crit druid

Ty guys

[unique canyon]

Hey guys, question was probably asked a million times already, but whar are we thinking of the Crucible of Erratic Energies ? QE says it better thant my 263 Vaelgor, just wanting a second opinion

[fervent mica]

as long as you've upgraded it in voidstorm, just listen to qe

[unique canyon]

Ok, will do then, thx for the quick answer !

[rustic copper]

Wrong ring

[bright jolt]

how many times are they going to change the new apex on ptr

lmao

crazy

[rustic copper]

If it was the other nexus ring it would be big

[rustic copper]

Did they change it again

Are we buffed

[bright jolt]

it got nerfed again

[rustic copper]

Did 2 also get nerfed?

[fervent mica]

from 8 to 6

thats the change here

and 60 > 50

[bright jolt]

a couple days a go it was hotfixed from 5 --> 8 with rank 3 getting nerfed

then they nerfed rank 2 again

[fervent mica]

probably 30 more changes before the 21st

[bright jolt]

this is still significantly stronger in raid

by a huge margin most likely

[next mist]

holy shit is that THE phasedruid from the qelive vorasius video?

[bright jolt]

the original design was just absurdly overtuned though

[proven phoenix]

LMAO

yes it is....

more content incoming

[fervent mica]

still think they're going the wrong way if they want to make us better in raid and worse in m+...

[urban kestrel]

oh yeah they're going to make this spec fucking galactic monster tier in keys and we still wont touch that crap in raids outside of maybe 10 man fights like lura and chim

at least spring blossoms is dead

thank god

[fervent mica]

hey... i beat a disc priest and an evoker on salad prog kill last night... obv druid is fine

[main timber]

Apex nerfed one day after we notice the new version and call it OP

[molten gull]

pres seems to pump throughput this tier

[main timber]

I'm onto you dev in the channel

[fervent mica]

lmao

[whole horizon]

i thought @queen marsh was feral only

[molten gull]

wait what changed with the apex?

[fervent mica]

just ptr things

[molten gull]

oh

[bright jolt]

yo-yo tuning daily on the ptr

[molten gull]

what is the ptr change?

[bright jolt]

for the new apex

[molten gull]

i see

[tough portal]

It was 5++ cuz it supposedly scaled up past 5 still, just not linearly.

But yeah

Needed to nerf it anyways

[molten gull]

new apex.. are they reworking it or just tuning numbers?

[bright jolt]

rework

[fervent mica]

its different... but same

[molten gull]

3 times instead of 5? wtf

and 6 injured allies? I only have 5 in my party RAGE

[fervent mica]

its still more group healing <_<

[bright jolt]

ah that's what I was missing, they removed the square root scaling on it

interesting

[undone linden]

for m+, which 2 would you run? (currently doing 18s)

[molten gull]

not the rank 3? or does rank 2 increase the rank 3 heal by 50%?

[fervent mica]

its less direct healing on the target and way way more splash

[molten gull]

oh cool, thats what i typically want anywya

then i can just keep lifebloom on my tank and care less about juggling it haha

[fickle garden]

Ah yes just what resto Druids needed to be stronger in 5 man content

[molten gull]

right? (shhh)

[rustic copper]

Yeah more healing

Get real

5 man content hasn’t been about hps ever

[molten gull]

would be cool if they could reduce cooldown on barkskin and ironbark

[plain steeple]

When did this happen?

[molten gull]

kekw

[plain steeple]

There was no bluepost.

[fervent mica]

its ptr...

[flint temple]

Does the cdm pandemic alert work for lifebloom?

[bright jolt]

wowhead is slow

[molten gull]

i tried it and it wasn't working so i switched back to 'on expiry' or whatever

[bright jolt]

dunno

[molten gull]

i wish pandemic worked, could keep better uptime probbaly

[bright jolt]

they've changed the ptr version without a blue post several times now

[plain steeple]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[bright jolt]

this looks to be close to where they want it to be, it's still significantly stronger than live

[urban kestrel]

if the dev knew what he was doing he wouldve already made a blue post or reworked our apex

[bright jolt]

napkin math wise

[urban kestrel]

back in beeta

the only thing thats really grim is next tier or the one after we're going to have an apex oriented tier set

and thats when things get dark

[bright jolt]

non square root has more of a chance for overhealing otoh

curious to see where it ends up

definitely makes the apex "harder", I guess, to correctly use

since timing sotf is slightly more important

[plain steeple]

I think it’s good that they changed it this way. It was too overpowered before.

[bright jolt]

yeah, the original one was just absurdly overtuned

obv feelycraft incoming, but I don't particularly like that photosynthesis seems like extreme value for the talent point spent now though

[fierce isle]

First all allies, then 8 allies, now 6 allies before you know it we will be at the revolutionary number of 2 allies!

[molten gull]

there is a lot of imbalance in talent tree. sucks. feels like you can't make real choices

[waxen ingot]

if its not all allies, im 100% sure we wont use it in raid

and classic spam rg

will be better

[bright jolt]

I highly doubt that

[tough portal]

The splash also hits the target of LB tho, so it's 4.5x Blooms from 5, not much worse

[waxen ingot]

doesnt this happen every time there is a diff build

[main timber]

The previous version was a 20% healing increase or something and Lexa would have dropped because it only hit 8

[bright jolt]

yeah the original version was like 300% ish stronger in raid than the current apex

lmao

[tough portal]

Well, in M+ I suppose is what I'm thinking of here, since in raid it still might not hit main target

I'm not sure

[urban kestrel]

I just dont believe any version of this thats blatantly overpowered doesnt get neutered by next tier release back into being useless

[bright jolt]

the likely outcome is it will get hotfixed if it's extremely out of line, or it will get lumped in with their balance changes (which they originally stated would be monthly, but who knows)

it's changing almost daily on ptr

so

[urban kestrel]

but at least ill have an op talent while im working on lura I guess

[fervent mica]

i'm just happy they're looking at the class. better than some other seasons when it just felt like whatever was going wasn't changing

[urban kestrel]

also with the whole voidforge thing, does anyone whose been on top of ptr know if I need to loot a real weapon or will there still be stuff for crafted weps?

[gentle nova]

I dont see this apex lasting another season

Rejuv apex soon

[thorn plover]

it works for crafted weapons

[urban kestrel]

tyvm

dont worry the apex tier set will save it, just like the hero tree tier set 'saved' kotg

[fervent mica]

lux soil apex <_<

[urban kestrel]

kill me

[fervent mica]

lolol

[urban kestrel]

cant wait to get nerfhammered cause my class is op in bloodlust again

actually we're still fucking broken in bloodlust/pot

but like we dont have much else going on

my paladins kill is just like 'wow guess where he pressed potion?'

flourish when

[grand herald]

coulda pressed potion twice smh

[urban kestrel]

yeah our priest tried to have me do it on pull, but the 3 min one was just working out better

especially when we were 5 healing, then we went back to 6 heal cause it turns out a sub rogue on that fight is marginally more damage than a holy priest and PI on a hunter

no wonder dps hate council fights

the balance is always so atrocious for them on em

[thorn plover]

added regrowth tracking to HoTTracker, credit to Mattiu

no you cant have my icons

[pulsar kettle]

gib icon

🦉

[thorn plover]

so pretty

[waxen ingot]

@gentle nova

do you have any number of rgs

you aim

soft aim

[glossy rose]

yall ever just keep lifebloom on yourself during a whole prog fight

[thorn plover]

yep

[glossy rose]

ok word

[thorn plover]

depending on the fight

[rustic copper]

Do you maintain a number of rg

[polar lichen]

does astral influence add range to the extra hots from sotf?

[thorn plover]

12 just like rejuv 😏

^ this is not serious btw please dont

[fierce isle]

How does tracking number of regrowth hots benefit?

[molten gull]

just positive feedback to make ego go up

[thorn plover]

its for when they rework our apex to give us regrowth version of abundance

[pulsar kettle]

[polar lichen]

im gonna add a counter for the total number of blooms since the start of the fight

[thorn plover]

it will be called redundance

[grizzled seal]

Yeah I don't get this part

Unsure how the number of regrowths will impact my decision making at any point

[thorn plover]

its been asked for a couple times so i built it, i dont ask questions

[fierce isle]

Very noble of you

[waxen ingot]

Im just curious if he does since i dont see the point of tracking them otherwise

[thorn plover]

nice to know only

[old pollen]

so you can juice the tranq

[molten gull]

If you need help in the future, I'm quite a graphic designer myself (I made my own profile pic here)

[thorn plover]

Impressive

I'll have my people reach out to your people

[versed hemlock]

It doesn't really change how you play, but it technically means your regrowth is slightly more efficient due to Nature's Bounty. I can see why people would track it, even if it isn't all that impactful.

[thorn plover]

Bounty Maxing

[wide rose]

is there a way to edit the size and position of the number in that addon btw? i've been looking for it. thanks for making it

for the rejuv counter

[stable iron]

QELive is saying the ones on the right sim higher if I put the same gem in. Am I just getting messed with?

[fervent mica]

look at the number...

0 hps increase?

[rustic copper]

It’s important to get feedback on the effect of how you pressed your buttons I think. Same way you read a breakdown and it influences your decision making and what buttons you press between fights, you can hit the fatty 12+ regrowth sotf ns rg heal

[thorn plover]

Yes if you type /hot it's all there

[twin rock]

did they change being able to stack up reforestation before pull? Not sure if im bugged but i cant seem to get stacks before pull anymore

[rain oyster]

yep its not possible anymore, they changed that a few days ago

[urban kestrel]

You can do it with critters in like vorasius's room because it's not even a boss combat check.

[fervent mica]

it was a bit extra to begin with...

chasing critters is nuts

[urban kestrel]

Taunt a critter press swiftmend the devs can't stop me

[molten gull]

yeah you're gettin messed with.

insert 'they're the same picture' meme

[main timber]

I dont believe anything without a report nowadays

[wide rose]

oh ok thanks!

[hardy canopy]

i miss targeted spells on frames so much

[dusty cargo]

@polar thicket hey man

[polar thicket]

leave me alone

[split knot]

guys qq - my guardian druid friend falls over on the first 4 guys in maisara cavern +12 - hes 269 ilvl, as a resto druid, i ironbark, lifebloom and soothe one of them - is there anything else i should be doing?

obviously rejuv, regrowth, etc. during the pull

[grand herald]

get a better tank?

[gentle nova]

Can i have your icons

[gentle nova]

Its useful when its chaotic and youre gonna tranq

Aka egg

I have to look at frames and at floor

[split knot]

jokes aside, is there anything else i should be potentially doing?

[grand herald]

nah i mean if your tank cant survive a pull on a 12

its a them problem

[split knot]

ok cool

[thorn plover]

i heard @molten gull has nicer ones

[gentle nova]

Nah this is mostly for cds

And when i have to move a lot

And tranq

Mostly last bosses i guess

Having couple rgs out makes a lot of a difference

[reef zenith]

If I ask for when the regrowth tracker gets to 12 it just reads “Niko” and plays pedrolust?

[grizzled seal]

How do you not have couple of rgs running constantly though

[thorn plover]

sure

[reef zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/la-fawnduh-napoleon-dynamite-napoleon-dynamite-nerd-gif-5762334

[gentle nova]

Between color swap and waiting for gate for egg all my regrowths fallnoff and im ramping rejuvs

Then i want regtowths out too before my tranq

And i gotta watch the floor

Its a mess

[urban kestrel]

All the bear guides rn give terrible builds for tankiness, get that man on some bristling fur scintillating moonlight type shit

[gentle nova]

Sometimes i flourish 8 rgs sometimes i flourish 2 and that makes for 100k hps difference between pulls

My bounty healing is pretty insane .

[grizzled seal]

Yeah I noticed that too with regrowths

I think I started valuing regrowth ramps more

[warm mortar]

I have Myth track Heart of Wind, Hero track Alnseer and Hero track Litany of Lightblind Wrath. Which combo is better?

[grizzled seal]

I'd rather go into tranq with 10 rejuvs and few regrowths than 15 rejuvs and no regrowths

[grand herald]

throw em in qelive and itll tell ya

[gentle nova]

Thats what im doing

And look at this

Holy nb

[grizzled seal]

Convoke or tree?

[gentle nova]

Voke

[grizzled seal]

I kinda struggle with this cuz alleria has way too much movement

Constant bait, back, forward, bait, back, forward

[gentle nova]

Yeah it sucks when u move

[grizzled seal]

Maybe I just send tree there

Play tree just to spam regrowth

[gentle nova]

Playing this way is worse than wwr

[north fiber]

are we catweaving this season or playing with moonkin? i haven't played since dragonflight, for m+

[gentle nova]

Literally 0 mobility

[grizzled seal]

Yeah the mobility issues are insane

[urban kestrel]

is it worth it to just play incarn on alleria? ive only had time to pull it like 5 times and die in p1? or is convoke still good for the shields and p3 breaks?

just for the mobility mostly?

I tried it on dragons farm and really liked it

[dry moon]

for those that have done mythic paladins, did you run convoke or tree? just curious. looking over some, it seemed like a ton were still using voke, just wondering if anyone felt one was better specifically for paladins.

[urban kestrel]

I ran convoke, it lines up really well with senn's ticking damage

you can convoke every searing radiance

but if you're just getting more casts in with tree then run tree

[hardy junco]

nexus 2nd boss (right boss): This happened, how to dodge that shit? Is that on tank or on us?

[gentle nova]

Convoke is too much mana

[grizzled seal]

Are you playing MS or what

[thorn plover]

looks like you stepped into the yellow beam early

[gentle nova]

It can just give 5 rejuvs for free

[tranquil palm]

What do I take here ? 🙂

[grizzled seal]

It never gives 5 rejuvs, that's one in twenty convokes maybe

[hardy junco]

@thorn plover should wait a while?

[gentle nova]

2 from natty, 3 from a random lucky sotf rejuv

[urban kestrel]

Im not even sure I get 5 rejuvs while ranging bosses with convoke

[thorn plover]

you cant step into it until its like glowing

not as soon as the add comes down

[gentle nova]

It will cast 1-3 sm in average and its 1/2 chance it will spend it on rejuv

[warm mortar]

@grand herald I just input my simc into QE, select Healing Focused and press Go? I'm mainly thinking about best combo for M+, not for Raid. Does it take this into account? Any way to know for M+?

[gentle nova]

Check you abundance when yoy convoke

[urban kestrel]

also you still get plenty of mana discount with incarn, just they arent cast for you

[thorn plover]

theres a button at the top dungeon or raid

[gentle nova]

Im not sure if tree is more mana than convoke honestly

[warm mortar]

@thorn plover oooh, thanks, I didn't see that one

[gentle nova]

Just for the rejuvs casted by it wvery min

[grand herald]

catweave

[gentle nova]

So if convoke is 2 sm average, 2 rejuv average and 2 rejuv average

Wouldnt that average 1 sotf rejuv every convoke?

[grizzled seal]

Apex looks kinda shit here btw

[gentle nova]

I swear it casts 4

Yeah

[grizzled seal]

Like what, 10-11%?

[gentle nova]

10

[grizzled seal]

Might be a drop angle

[gentle nova]

Ill try going no apex

But i think i need to stop casting that many wgs

The mana is too much

[grizzled seal]

Spec MS

[gentle nova]

So embrace would still be shit

Or that

[grizzled seal]

No apex MS is fine

WG is crazy powerful too

Spawns a treant

[gentle nova]

Yes or a bloom

For us .5 ws enjoyers

[grave oak]

Are you guys talking about raid builds?

[urban kestrel]

it still spawns a tree even as WS, just not a good one

im genuinely not even sure what the difference between our hero trees is, they feel like they just do slightly different amounts of borderline invisible healing

[gentle nova]

Spec 2 ug instead of a treant

[rotund geode]

if haste is already your main stat, what do you pick for m+ here

[gentle nova]

[thorn plover]

left ez

[gentle nova]

The difference is

Convoke is unplayable on some fighrs without control

Thats the worst part of all

[urban kestrel]

oh god then you still need trees for the incarn refund dont you? lmao

[gentle nova]

Convoke on bird is unplayable without control unless you just hold it 300 seconds

[warm mortar]

Litany sims better than Gaze by 298 HPS (0.21%). Seeing as there's no way that I'll be able to get perfect play like a sim with Litany, would I just be better off going with Gaze?

[grizzled seal]

I mean ws vs keeper now is a meaningless difference

Both are completely passive

[gentle nova]

I like that sometimes while on a regrowth spam target i just hit a 80k regrowth because it had 1-2 blooms

Instead of a 50k one

[urban kestrel]

thats actaully pretty poggers

[gentle nova]

If you spend the NS on yourself rg as ws does 150k

And that hits for 25k on everyone

[grizzled seal]

Yeah that's pretty powerful

[gentle nova]

Instead of 10

[urban kestrel]

honestly paladins and alleria have me really loving my ability to throw up a 40% healing amp on myself

im down for that

[fervent mica]

thats simming dungeon... so the damage value is whats putting it ahead.

[urban kestrel]

theres probably some poor guild out there asking a a dps druid to talent into forestwalk on those 2 fights

[warm mortar]

@fervent mica yeah, I'm trying to figure out which trinket would be better for m+ mainly

[fierce isle]

how often are you plaing WS in raid?

[gentle nova]

if you play ws theres pretty cool minmax you can do

[warm mortar]

(I'm a noob at resto, first time maining it this season)

[gentle nova]

But its too much for my brain

Honestly

[rustic copper]

do I learn WS

[gentle nova]

Ill give it a shot next bird night

[rustic copper]

show cd timings without control

[fierce isle]

cool

[gentle nova]

Yeah thats fucked

Im convoking all of the color swaps

Thats impossible without control

[fervent mica]

litany is a pain to use now... gaze is more healing overall.

[hazy spoke]

Is Embrace still holding up? It feels strong, but not sure

[gentle nova]

You dont think new apex just makes ws the go to?

Implant for the mastery stack, 20%+ on vigorous creepers on you plus passive 24% healing amp everytime you vi yourself and proc the apex

Plus whatever rootnetwork does

Plus if we play phosy its another hot to proc it

Pretty damn sure ws is the play

[fierce isle]

with all the changes they've been making to our apex rework it could be 99% weaker by release

so who knows

[thorn plover]

they got 10 days

so we should know soonish

[fervent mica]

i expect the notes a week from now...

[gentle nova]

My lbs bloom for 25k each doing what i said btw

[fervent mica]

then it should be locked in

[gentle nova]

Non crit

[fervent mica]

err

shit.

does that playstyle make crit good?

[gentle nova]

I dont know

Prolly not

Or maybe?

[fervent mica]

better, for sure

[gentle nova]

It def doesnt make it shit

[fervent mica]

but... maybe not good

[thorn plover]

so thats 360k healing every SM

with new apex

raw

[gentle nova]

Break down the math to understand

[thorn plover]

25k * 60% * 8 people * 3 blooms

[fervent mica]

112,500 ?

oh you've missed some changes

[thorn plover]

new ones today?

[fervent mica]

50% and 6 people now

[thorn plover]

ah

[gentle nova]

Oh wait what lmao

[fervent mica]

so 225,000 ish

[thorn plover]

when did that change, last 10 hours?

[hazy spoke]

Where’d they post that?

[fervent mica]

people on ptr

[thorn plover]

none of this is posted, were seeing it on ptr

[gentle nova]

Atp just make it proc off convoke to have a realish cd

[fervent mica]

linked earlier.

[hazy spoke]

Ah

I’ll scroll up

[thorn plover]

ya 225k per sm

[fervent mica]

its all still changing

[gentle nova]

225k is still a lot

[fervent mica]

yeah

[gentle nova]

For a gcd you need to use anyway

[fervent mica]

the splash wouldn't be effected by mastery, right?

like having hots on the people it heals won't double dip?

[gentle nova]

Idk

Is the new apex even a buff

From old one

At this point

[fierce isle]

it probably won't be by the time they stop fiddling

it'll be weaker in M+ and about the same in raid imo

[fervent mica]

i'm expecting them to lower the splash value and increase the targets

[gentle nova]

Thats ass

Im tired of my heals hitting 20 Targets but for 10k

[fierce isle]

they've already severely cut down the target twice since their proposed change, why do you think they'd reverse that?

[fervent mica]

its the only way they can really make it better in raid without buffing m+ to the moon /-:

[gentle nova]

Yeah or just rework it to lux soil apex

[thorn plover]

wait how big did you say your blooms were

[gentle nova]

Still useful in both content

[tough portal]

Definitely is. I think the main difference is it makes the 4th point fully locked in, but it's definitely better numerically rn.

[warm mortar]

@fervent mica Sorry for the late response: how is it a pain to use, specifically? Just want to understand

[thorn plover]

how are you getting 25k blooms

[fervent mica]

fully stacked mastery bombs