We don't know
#resto
bright swift
gaunt willow
Oh
grizzled seal
Maybe drop last apex for tv/1min convoke
somber sequoia
owo whats this
gaunt willow
Seems reasonable but the loss of talent points elsewhere is going to be painful
bright swift
Maybe drop last apex for tv/1min convoke
That was a really big loss too
grand herald
Yeah those extra blooms seem way too good
grizzled seal
I believe 1 tv is better than 4th apex
grand herald
Even at 3
gaunt willow
Being able to spend those 4 talent points elsewhere like ND and 2/2TV isn’t something I want to lose now
bright swift
grizzled seal
TV literally makes the entire spec work
marsh prism
oh h lura kinda fun
bright swift
5 min fight
grand herald
Yeah
grand herald
Whats prosp SM cpm look like
bright swift
He had 85% lb uptime only
Just not enough logs
I had this in mind for something like Beloren
or shorter fights
for Lura i have no idea, i guess you drop embrace and get MS
vivid peak
you play prosp with that right?
grizzled seal
Idk about apex doing way more
grizzled seal
I can't calculate TV from that
boreal karma
new apex looks even harder to Balance ngl
grand herald
Watch this all end with photo eating a nerf somehow
boreal karma
I guess you can tune down numbers to the Point it barely beats the other possible options
vocal musk
Hi guys, for M+ do you think harmonious blooming is a good talent to take ?
bright swift
photo+apex4
boreal karma
photo+apex4
Based healing for 5 points
grizzled seal
More like 6
boreal karma
I guess yea
grizzled seal
Cuz you need either embrace or liveliness with it
boreal karma
But you currently pick one of the 2 always
grand herald
Though, if they already messed with the apex balance without notes
boreal karma
Or Both even
grand herald
Wonder if we missed any other changes
grand herald
Lifebloom blooms didnt eat a coefficient nerf without us noticing did they :^)
boreal karma
The worst Part is it’s so Little effort
boreal karma
42k hps with using legit 2 Brain cells
grizzled seal
Need a 30% rejuv buff
grizzled seal
Why
boreal karma
still Need 1
grizzled seal
We aren't playing mw
oak garnet
42k hps would beat my rejuv btw
That the PTR testing for apex change?
bright swift
That the PTR testing for apex change?
what
grizzled seal
Oh paladins
oak garnet
Whats 42k hps
thick scarab
Guys is there a macro for fast shift to bear form and then back to human form ( for example situation in seat for chains chains
bright swift
that's what apex would do if I played it on that log
grizzled seal
There is only 1 Guild that killed it without mw
Yes I thought alleria and brain farted. You are right
bright swift
There is only 1 Guild that killed it without mw
how the hell
boreal karma
Surely can’t be that Hard
distant birch
Bind sheiluns gift
bright swift
not now
oak garnet
Got it
bright swift
you do on paladins
distant birch
I think it depends if u are main absorb healer
grizzled seal
On paladins you do
boreal karma
Why is that
distant birch
Idk why exactly tbh, i just know it pipes absorbs
grizzled seal
You heal absorbs
median marsh
Not sure how much all points contribute toward their HPS %
boreal karma
Don’t need MW for paladins
Ye if you wanna have a miserable time go for it
boreal karma
You heal absorbs
But why is sheilun better for that
Doesn’t make sense to me maybe I’m stupid
grizzled seal
Idk it heals ST more
median marsh
Ye if you wanna have a miserable time go for it
We got 14% with no MW, dead this week without it we just have people dying to hammers late
grizzled seal
Do not ask me
median marsh
Defo do-able without
boreal karma
Ye but why would you make a fight so much harder
distant birch
Can bring 2 holy palas to replace mw
boreal karma
Just a time waste
median marsh
All MW does is revival
distant birch
But they will oom at 5min
median marsh
Which you can manage with proper dispels
boreal karma
Which you can manage with proper dispels
How many pulls are you in
And what’s your healing comp
grizzled seal
Don't you need MD for that shit without revival
bright swift
not playing a MW on paladins is complete grief
boreal karma
not playing a MW on paladins is complete grief
Ye I agree
It’s just making a fight way harder for no reason
boreal karma
You can gear up a mw in 1 Weekend up to 270
grizzled seal
Yeah that's insane, man
median marsh
You can clear the dispels quite easily without revival
Depending on your raid race / comp
grizzled seal
I geared mine to 274 in one weekend
thorn whale
There is only 1 Guild that killed it without mw
Paladin?
boreal karma
I geared mine to 274 in one weekend
Ye
thorn whale
Surely more than 1 guild has killed it without mw on the roster
median marsh
But nah you rather Play Double md + dwarf + 3 warlocks and take 30 pulls more
That’s same as having revival
boreal karma
It’s doable but the time Investment for a mw is just way easier
median marsh
If everyone gets dispelled
Within a couple seconds
It’s only 2 occasions you need it
boreal karma
Surely more than 1 guild has killed it without mw on the roster
When I checked there was 1 Guild
Was Like 3 days ago
thorn whale
Which guild
torpid shore
I think I get cancer reading this chat atm
bright swift
@grizzled seal
thorn whale
Cause we did it without
bright swift
no germ is here again
thorn whale
And that was Sunday
grizzled seal
<@154983601769938945>
Niko on alt account?
boreal karma
Which guild
Actually was 2 Guilds
bright swift
Niko plays 2 min convoke
boreal karma
Im on Phone so I can’t Check it
grizzled seal
Niko plays 2 min convoke
Based
thorn whale
I think you might be right yeah
bright swift
wtf
thorn whale
(I’m from revoke)
bright swift
why would you play 2 min convoke
grizzled seal
Second point is 4-5%
boreal karma
(I’m from revoke)
But why would you do that
grizzled seal
1 tv is much stronger
boreal karma
You can gear up mw in 1 weekend
boreal karma
It’s legit Upgrade your Main
bright swift
ok what if you play tree though
grizzled seal
Don't play tree
bright swift
thorn whale
That is exactly what I’m doing next week haha
I’m done with hero on next reset on Druid
And then I send the monk
Which is 270 rn
bright swift
can't cast tranq with convoke either
boreal karma
That is exactly what I’m doing next week haha
And if You have a leather Stack with 2-3 leather people You are geared in 30 ish keys
grizzled seal
can't cast tranq with convoke either
Big woop
thorn whale
And if You have a leather Stack with 2-3 leather people You are geared in 30 ish...
Yup
We just didn’t do it
I asked to do it
Was told no
boreal karma
It’s just a huge time waste on the Boss imo
grizzled seal
I panic geared mw back when there were 8 dispels
thorn whale
And then after we kill paladins we said yes
grizzled seal
Also we 5 healed yesterday and it was piss
boreal karma
I rather spend time outside raid to make this raid easier over wiping on that boss for no reason
boreal karma
Also we 5 healed yesterday and it was piss
still with mw or
thorn whale
I rather spend time outside raid to make this raid easier over wiping on that bo...
I agree for sure
I’m just saying surely we’re not the only 1 of 2 guilds who managed
Maybe we’re the only 2 guilds stupid enough idk
boreal karma
I can see reclear being a lot easier even very much doable with out monk but progressing is just grief imo
boreal karma
I’m just saying surely we’re not the only 1 of 2 guilds who managed
When I checked was 2 guilds
vivid peak
i think we're going to it without mw
boreal karma
It’s for sure doable I never doubted that
But it’s just making a fight harder for no reason 
vivid peak
we have 3 priests so should be fine with mass dispells i guess
boreal karma
It’s 6 heal for Progress anyway a mediocre mw is making the fight easier then any other spec played on 100% probably
median marsh
Tbf you only need revival for 1 point in the fight, the 3:30ish AoE shield
The 1 minute one does nothing
bright swift
it's 2 times
median marsh
Yeah, double MD + warlock + DK = 12 dispels covered + 6 healers + any dwarves + turtle etc
Easily coverable
bright swift
boreal karma
Never Said it’s not doable yet there is a reason only 2 guilds have done it without, some guilds just enjoy doing more pulls
median marsh
What’s average pull count for paladins atm
tough portal
🐽
median marsh
Probably cause they already had a MW in comp or put one in just for paladins to make things easier
Will probs get much more come through in the next week or so
tough portal
You found a new "probably" really fast
After deleting the old one you made up on the spot to justify the opposite viewpoint
Cuz you misread what naenia was saying
median marsh
Didn’t deleted anything, phone glitched and posted 5 times on my phone so deleted one so it didn’t spam 😁
median marsh
Point stands, few kills without MW because people just put one in to make it easier
Even tho ways around to to keep difficulty similar
boreal karma
Point stands, few kills without MW because people just put one in to make it eas...
That’s all I’m sayin
median marsh
Instead of the reason for few kills being without MW cause it can’t be don’t without or pass the pull count
boreal karma
I never said it can’t be done
You wanna spend more pulls on it cause you enjoy the fight
median marsh
Well that’s what I mean
Does it add more pulls
If you can cover it the same way
Just 1-2 GCDs of time later
median marsh
Most deaths seem to come from improper defensive usage during soak + shield overlaps + just DPS being hit by hammers
In my experience
Rather than not being dispelled within an instant during AoE shields
thorn whale
Honestly I think we had no influential deaths from lack of revival
It’s more the absorb slamming
That is really good from mw
Just SG blasting 75% HP in 1 global on repeat
unreal mantle
What do a lot of builds take fluid form but not take master shapeshifter in m+ is it just for that 1 global?
thorn whale
Fluid form and master shapeshifter is not connected in usage
You don’t take master shapeshifter because you don’t need mana regen
And you take fluid form to save the globals yes
boreal karma
Just SG blasting 75% HP in 1 global on repeat
Isn’t druid also fine healing absorbs with apex?
Guess it’s not as good
thorn whale
I think so yes, but monk is for sure better and easier
bright swift
Isn’t druid also fine healing absorbs with apex?
it's very good
median marsh
Yeah chilling with it
boreal karma
it's very good
I thought so aswell
bright swift
thorn whale
You should soak all the shields you can as rdruid, but the issue is you need the mastery amp on the absorb takers as well
Which can be a bit random
thorn whale
Did he play SG build?
bright swift
who played what
median marsh
Since you know the 5 that are taking the absorb each time can double rejuv + regrowth them so they all got 3 mastery stacks
- on yourself your are turbo safe
thorn whale
who played what
Did your monk play sheiluns gift build
thorn whale
Since you know the 5 that are taking the absorb each time can double rejuv + reg...
This is not how it works in our guild
median marsh
We just have double Rdruid, Pres, HPal and Hpriest take it all
thorn whale
There’s 2 I think
And that requires your healers to sprint through hammers
To get there
vivid mountain
hello guys, i have a question, i see on murlok.io some players play with star fire, mookin form AND rake and rip, my question is why both ? usualy i though that was either one or the other someone can tell me why and how they use this talent ?
thorn whale
I do that, but still someone else will get 2x absorbs on them in the meantime
median marsh
I do that, but still someone else will get 2x absorbs on them in the meantime
Yeah, usually double devourer in that set
Since they’re in the closest soak
tough portal
hello guys, i have a question, i see on murlok.io some players play with star fi...
Answer "why" would put me in a position of agreeing with it, I think it's stupid
These players are sitting down to drink for 2 mins per dungeon and 80% of the mana they need to recover are from Sunfire
thorn whale
Yeah, usually double devourer in that set
And mw’s heal those better I think
tough portal
It's nonsense
thorn whale
The random absorbs
bright swift
I'm timing 17s with 5 min spare with me doing 5k dps
vivid mountain
i agree with u but, this talent is litterally used by the top 1 RIO resto druid, so i assume that it must have some sens
bright swift
dpsing is irrelevant
bright swift
i agree with u but, this talent is litterally used by the top 1 RIO resto druid,...
rule 1 of m+ players
they are clueless talentwise
let me guess, he's playing harmonious blooming
vivid mountain
i mean, i assume, he know his job xD
bright swift
m+ players 
thorn whale
You assume wrong
spark river
let me guess, he's playing harmonious blooming
this is stupid
bright swift
let me guess, he's playing harmonious blooming
@vivid mountain confirm this for me
spark river
every m+ druid is playing hb
tough portal
HB is better than NB
spark river
Ever since beta
ok mb
vivid mountain
yeah he plays that talent
median marsh
And mw’s heal those better I think
Ye no doubt
spark river
i am an idiot then
vivid mountain
what does that mean?
spark river
doesnt matter when you re sw rejuving your group on cd
tough portal
doesnt matter when you re sw rejuving your group on cd
Right so dont do that lol
bright swift
I played without ND for a while
and then swapped back to it
it's a world of difference
it's insane how I got baited by m+ players to unspec this
tough portal
ND is undroppable
spark river
agree to disagree I guess
bright swift
what else are you playing though
spark river
what else are you playing though
2 tv
tough portal
Vrocas said healer dps is irrelevant
Not me
Learn to read mate
The question stated these are builds that dont drop cat spells also
versed fiber
deja vu from the other day
spark river
photo, hb, germ, liveliness, shorter convoke, 2 tv, abundance
thats my lower part of tree
versed fiber
Actually
bright swift
I agree prosp is better
versed fiber
hes right tho
bright swift
and it's not close
bright swift
am I
versed fiber
Im gonna go out a limb here and say for the 1 mil time, following top +s or china style is not the play
versed fiber
but whatevs
spark river
Vi is superior in both
bright swift
disagree
versed fiber
Also I never thought I would have to defend Face to butt
gaunt willow
They add both good. Stop arguing 🙈
polar lichen
no, keep arguing
versed fiber
you know what a useless talent is.....hair.
polar lichen
I gotta know
oak garnet
The thought of multiple talents being viable is frying some brains
versed fiber
its a good thing
bright swift
when is prosperity good?
it's very good to burst heal with
tough portal
And you think I'm so wrong that you can't even defend the position with your own reasoning, instead you make up that I said shit I didn't say
So instead of answering you I have to clarify that you are making shit up that I didn't say
little briar
Why wouldnt you auto lock in both ND and NB on any key
tough portal
Cuz I can't enter the conversation under this framing that I said shit that I didn't say
little briar
sudden rover
it's very good to burst heal with
i mean im only 3.1 rio but ive never seen a situation where I went "if only I had 2 swiftmends here" not a single time
wise galleon
Why are you all saying ND is so good but not explaining why
oak garnet
Either 2nd TV or ND but I really like ND in m+
oak garnet
Yeah this
bright swift
i mean im only 3.1 rio but ive never seen a situation where I went "if only I ha...
yeah you made your argument yourself
polar lichen
i mean im only 3.1 rio but ive never seen a situation where I went "if only I ha...
not even "if only I had 2 sotf here"??
oak garnet
I play this but take imp sm not rh
bright swift
Why are you all saying ND is so good but not explaining why
rejuv good, longer rejuv better
tough portal
Why are you all saying ND is so good but not explaining why
Vrocas did, it generates a ton of Rejuv uptime t hat you turn into pressing other spells instead of Rejuv more often.
polar lichen
I want more sotf all the time ;_;
tough portal
It's a difference of keeping the same Rejuv healing but casting it fewer times = gain healing by casting other spells without losing Rejuv uptime
sudden rover
not even "if only I had 2 sotf here"??
no
spark river
At the end of the day, its just what works best for you as a player. The talents I ve listed have worked the best for me ever since beta and I dont see a reason for change. Prosperity felt awful for me in m+ and nd was just a non factor in keys. Nb is arguable as some players take it and some dont, I ve opted out of it as I ve felt I didnt need the splash in a 5 man group.
sudden rover
but then again im only doing 14s and 15s so it might be considered "low keys"
oak garnet
Rejuv is always my top heal in keys by a Longshot. No way hb is worth more than ND unless I'm missing something
bright swift
I don't understand why prosperity would feel awful
wise galleon
Vrocas did, it generates a ton of Rejuv uptime t hat you turn into pressing othe...
But thats the same argument for HB being better? Do we even care about uptime on fully healed targets? It means there are no big istances of damage going out
versed fiber
"felt"
polar lichen
I'm doing lower keys so eh
versed fiber
"feels"
bright swift
eat a regrowth on someone that needs healing directly
versed fiber
not actual data
bright swift
the extension effect has little value
because you don't need to extend
everyone already has 2 rejuvs
tough portal
But thats the same argument for HB being better? Do we even care about uptime on...
It only needs to tick on full HP target, but they may drop in the extra 6s of duration right?
Rejuv uptime also gives you the benefit of Abundance.
spark river
95 out of a 100 players prefer vi over prosperity, actual data.
sudden rover
idk im noob i follow what vickman says, his reasoning is sound for vi/prosperity thing
bright swift
what does vickman play
sudden rover
vi obviously
bright swift
interesting
sudden rover
not a single top druid plays prosperity
wise galleon
I do play prosperity with HB and without ND C:
sudden rover
in keys i mean
bright swift
that makes no sense to me
slow pasture
Tbh prosp has some good use if you want to force Apex to funnel on some targets
bright swift
I don't see the value in VI in any capacity
tough portal
Tbh prosp has some good use if you want to force Apex to funnel on some targets
Right, that is the way you play the spec
Apex and SOTF heal are massive pick ups
bright swift
back to back apex sotf procs is insane healing
sudden rover
but if u need 2 souls to top group, does it not mean that your group played bad? again im only doing 15s, but the damage is not that high
tough portal
The only way to actually heal in arena is swapping LB constantly to use the Apex and SOTF heals effectively
spark river
Most of the time you dont swap
sudden rover
not swapping has nothing to do with the discussion of vi/prosperity lol
slow pasture
With VI you have to use SM on CD or you are losing most if it’s value
bright swift
like double glaive in MT
tough portal
Once again it proves true that arena is the highest demand of healing in any mode of this game
bright swift
not swapping has nothing to do with the discussion of vi/prosperity lol
ofc it does
are you not swiftmending to extend your lb?
sudden rover
idk :/ 99.99% of top druids play VI, I will play vi
spark river
You are
bright swift
that's a real number for sure
spark river
You always have 5 hots on a person and extend
bright swift
what's the hardest healing check then
tough portal
And what is VI doing to help you heal your hardest healing check?
thorn whale
Damn you just countered yourself
bright swift
the aoe from voidcallers, prosperity is massive there btw
tough portal
There is a very easy argument here to be made that Vrocas is defending ND while VI does the same thing as ND but he's disregarding it but all yall can think to say is THE TOP PLAYERS PLAY VI
thorn whale
Prosp is more healing
tough portal
It's so funny
wise galleon
If we are in a situation of the MT glaives and you have VI, you put lifebloom on a target and reju sfiwtmend them it wont increase the spot healing of that situation it would be the same as prosperity, except for prosperity you have another swiftmend cast you can use
It literally spot heals more
bright swift
last boss MT you are correct VI is probably better there
but that's not a common thing
tough portal
So we just tell people asking what talents to play that glaives are easy to heal cuz the whole group plays nelf yeah?
sudden rover
we should also judge a person's argument based on their ranking, once again I'm only doing 14s so I KNOW in this level of keys I don't need two swiftmends
spark river
You dont need prosperity on 18s either
distant birch
I cant even time a 10 with lb
slow pasture
What is LB ? I only know Regrowth
sudden rover
i also feel like they made midnight too easy, and we are jerking ourselves off theorycrafting while it's quite useless
it's never been that easy to push
thorn whale
That’s relative lol
tough portal
i also feel like they made midnight too easy, and we are jerking ourselves off t...
Just the baseline is lower, that only means title keys will be 4 key levels higher than last season
Sure pushing 18s will be easier, but 18s wont be title keys
sudden rover
You dont need prosperity on 18s either
back to this
if u dont need it why would u play iyt
better to take vi in my view
vivid peak
Prosp is just better
vague gyro
should I be casting innervate on another healer - heard it still gives 50% of the bonus to you but i cant see any talent or spell that would be doing that
oak garnet
VI frees up more gcds to spam rg or shit out more rejuvs. Can't convince me prosp is the way in keys
bright swift
That's what ND is for
sudden rover
VI frees up more gcds to spam rg or shit out more rejuvs. Can't convince me pros...
exactly
oak garnet
I take ND too
tough portal
should I be casting innervate on another healer - heard it still gives 50% of th...
It doesnt, that's an old effect that doesnt exist anymore
vivid peak
Nd + prosp you have giga heals for the whole pull
bright swift
I just don't see the upside of playing VI
you don't need to make your lifebloom target stronger
you want to use sm to spot heal
and to have more flexibility on it
sudden rover
its not about the upside of vi, its about the downside of playing prosp
atleast thats what i think
bright swift
what is the downside
oak garnet
Consuming hots also feels bad
oak garnet
It's wg but still
bright swift
consuming a wild growth or a regrowth does not matter man
you insta cast another one on them
sudden rover
ye it does for mastery
bright swift
spark river
Playing prosperity for sw spot heal but not is?
spark river
Still bark cd
thorn whale
I think you oneshot healthbars anyways with prosp no?
bright swift
not really
midnight niche
For Mythic plus, is Litany of Lightblind Wrath something that is worth running over some of the other trinkets I have like my emberwing feather or Volatile Void Suffuser. When looking at logs I don't see many people running it but in my head it would be a great trinket of some of dungeons this season. Can anyone help me understand why not more people are running this in keys?
bright swift
I think I will swap to imp SM
tough portal
For Mythic plus, is Litany of Lightblind Wrath something that is worth running o...
It needs damage globals to proc the shield, so you're either using it to cover piss healing and generate more damage uptime, which is fine, or you have to press damage spells instead of healing if you want it during an actually hard moment, which is counterproductive.
oak garnet
Rh is prob better w prosp bc you get rejuvs out quick at start of damage and they are all pota rejuvs
But I like imp sm
spark river
Check ironbark cd. You arent getting near enough casts for rh to be broken.
tough portal
@grave notch thoughts on dropping Lifetreading
bright swift
Check ironbark cd. You arent getting near enough casts for rh to be broken.
yeah I agree
thorn whale
What
That is not how damage works in m+
Unless all damage profiles are completely changed from last season
bright swift
yes
boreal karma
is it doing more?
magic lion
hi whats the bis for tbc?
boreal karma
hi whats the bis for tbc?
go to the druid classic discord
oak garnet
Ask minpojke
boreal karma
its the wrong discord here
bright swift
i guess with good placed efflo 2% ish?
was only 3% on crown
i've seen it do more though
boreal karma
was only 3% on crown
with lifebloom on yourself or?
bright swift
on the mage
magic lion
its the wrong discord here
i figured lmao its all midnight, thx
tough portal
i.e. the evoker
boreal karma
on the mage
i guess any good range target is always better then yourself if they stand in group
deep glacier
Hey guys I have a question, does tree incarnation buff our convoke or tranq? or is it wasted if we proc it and tranq and convoke?
bright swift
Impossible to get value from Efflo in last boss MT
can't you just have the 3 ranged on one side stack on each side
tough portal
And that's a pattern
boreal karma
was always playing UG but i felt like i need a change
bright swift
and they move out to soak
boreal karma
bright swift
i guess any good range target is always better then yourself if they stand in gr...
without apex yeah
mages are so squishy
boreal karma
ye with apex i would stack on myself
deep glacier
Hey guys I have a question, does tree incarnation buff our convoke or tranq? or ...
anyone have any idea?
tough portal
I'm a Lifetreading hater I think
Efflo is a big mana hoggy but
I aint casting Sunfire anyways
midnight niche
It needs damage globals to proc the shield, so you're either using it to cover p...
Correct me if I'm wrong but would it not be kinda good on bosses that boost your damage output like the right side of nexus, which could cover the whle damage amp phase.
sudden rover
For Mythic plus, is Litany of Lightblind Wrath something that is worth running o...
I have it, I use it first gcd on bosses with hotw
then im done with it
basically im just waiting on actual good trinkets to replace it with
trim bluff
Does the bonus healing from efflo into lb make the lb cleave healing bettee
vivid peak
Correct me if I'm wrong but would it not be kinda good on bosses that boost your...
It's not enough to solo heal that part in nexus
spark river
Lifetreading is non negotiable
boreal karma
was only 3% on crown
do you play VI or prosp on crown cause if you play VI how do you get to abundance etc
bright swift
VI ofc
midnight niche
The reason I'm asking about this is bc I have it sitting in my bag and this aug is telling me its apparently really strong for them but when I look at logs no one is using it on augs so idk, is it good and its just because a lot of augs are losing it to healers?
tough portal
Btw those 4 MT's I posted the Degentrius Efflo from:
229k mana on Sunfire - 233k mana drink
279k mana on Sunfire - 266k mana drink
453k mana on Sunfire + Moonfire - 521k mana drink
180k mana on Sunfire - 100k mana drink, shoutout to this guy, lowest Sunfire casts
tough portal
"Nobody is drinking from casting Sunfire"
bright swift
the diference is small
boreal karma
but i guess you gotta do what you gotta do
bright swift
i feel like swiftmend heal is kinda shit with vi
yes but you gotta path
boreal karma
ye exactly
cause you dont usw swiftmend as spotheal anymore with vi
and i hate it
spark river
But thats a stupid argument. Sacrificing 25% of healing on efflo just because its bad on one boss?
tough portal
But thats a stupid argument. Sacrificing 25% of healing on efflo just because it...
You pick up another healing talent tho, and you get better Efflo in more than 1 boss
tough portal
Not if it isnt healing people...
spark river
On one boss
tough portal
I mean I @ rainon with it cuz they said you talent for the hardest part of the key
And strictly pointed out Degentrius
And I agree with it
spark river
You talent to time a key
tough portal
I dont think you lose 25% effective healing on Efflo
spark river
The reasoning is shocking
tough portal
You lose potential healing on Efflo and gain it back from having it more effectively heal 3 people, or more and hitting the 3 lowest people more often
You lose on gcd opportunity cost
I was trying to discuss it
I didn't say you should do it lol
Insane, 0.8% talent
deep glacier
Hey guys I have a question, does tree incarnation buff our convoke or tranq? or is it wasted if we proc it and tranq and convoke?
can anyone please enlighten me with your holy presence knowledge ❤️
tough portal
Hey guys I have a question, does tree incarnation buff our convoke or tranq? or ...
It buffs all your healing by 10% I think, which is minor. But you want to proc Incarn when you're gonna Convoke cuz both are meant to be healing the biggest damage windows and you'll have ramped up Rejuvs for it
Not synergy between Convoke and Refo necessarily, just they both should be timed to the same window after a ramp
deep glacier
It buffs all your healing by 10% I think, which is minor. But you want to proc I...
Thank you so much sir ❤️
tough portal
🐽
pure nymph
The main key to playing resto druid now for raiding is just basically put swiftmend on cooldown at all time yes? then apply 2 rejuvs after ?
oak garnet
3!
tough portal
6?
oak garnet
But sometimes a pota rg when lots of people are low and you got a bunch of rg out hits
In general it's rejuv bc then you're regrowthing more 🫡
fair shadow
in single target do we just keep up rip and rake or do we need to moonfire and thrash as well
tough portal
Mangle -> Thrash is better than Moonfire for your downtime on energy, but spending energy is more important in this case and otherwise you probably have to heal
sinful hound
I have a potentially silly question. If I proc incarn with 4 swiftmends but need to shape shift during its duration, is there anyway to go back into the procced incarn?
tough portal
No, not without the regular Incarn button
sinful hound
Gotcha thank you 
untold perch
Some of these abbreviations are hurting my brain 😂
bright swift
@tough portal my main issue in m+ right now is not being night elf to drink in combat lol
tough portal
I'm also close to pulling the plug on haranir
But for pvp
Meld is so broken man
bright swift
the pots from last expansion don't work anymore for some fucking reason
bright swift
meld pots ye
grizzled seal
Yeah I wanted to use them for m0 and figured then
untold perch
Do any of ya all have good tips or vids for raid heals? I’m solid in M+ but struggling in raids. The tree feels so clunky
untold perch
Sweet
thorn whale
Elsewise I would watch vods from Torty and Vrocas
It’s not guides, but it’s really healthy to watch a good player and think to yourself “why are they pressing these buttons here”
untold perch
I’m trying to understand tree proc. When to use it etc… I haven’t raided since Vanilla/BC and oh man it’s a completely different game now for Restos lol
thorn whale
@grizzled seal Do you just clip your twitch vods for kills?
thorn whale
Because I was thinking of uploading mine, but I don’t know which program to use to cut it
I’m IT stupid like that
thick scarab
Guys is there a macro for fast shift to bear form and then back to human form ( for example situation in seat for chains chains
thorn whale
Guys is there a macro for fast shift to bear form and then back to human form ( ...
Press your hotkey twice
bright swift
Because I was thinking of uploading mine, but I don’t know which program to use ...
windows photos lol
thorn whale
windows photos lol
Damn
spark river
Mangle the boss to go into bear with fluid form and then just throw a hot on someone to get out of it
Or just hit the hotkey twice
grizzled seal
Because I was thinking of uploading mine, but I don’t know which program to use ...
If you save vods to your PC then you could use VLC
I do that
thorn whale
Imma do that on Sunday
bright swift
photos app is easier
grizzled seal
Or you cut from twitch vod and upload that
thorn whale
I think I played really well on some of the kills so
thorn plover
Back in the day there was a 1 press root break macro, but they broke that long time ago
grizzled seal
Not gonna argue but it's literally just press record in VLC
thorn whale
Alright wp
thorn plover
You guys don't use Warcraft recorder?
bright swift
I do
thorn plover
Do you play wow on a toaster?
thorn whale
Gameboy
thorn plover
Ah ok well then I get it
thorn whale
I used to use Warcraft recorder tho
thorn plover
I just like it because it separates it by pulls
thorn whale
Honestly I’ll install it again
thorn plover
I love the cloud upload thing
"I didn't stand in the thing"
Yes the fuck you did
thorn whale
I just use twitch vod for that usually
untold perch
wild lol do you use rg? I gotta watch your vids
untold perch
I didn't see it on the bars
bright swift
it's not on my bars
bright swift
Clicked actually
grizzled seal
Could be
radiant geyser
Are we spamming regroth's in tree form now? Comparing my logs to top parsers, i have WAY less regrowth casts. Just curious
thorn whale
We’re spamming regrowth when it makes sense to do so
Doesn’t matter about tree or not
quiet wyvern
if vrocas can use regrowth why is he still bald
spark river
We re spamming regrowths so we have mana for the fight
untold perch
Sorry if it was a dumb question..
quiet wyvern
the mystery deepens
thorn whale
Sorry if it was a dumb question..
Dw
thorn whale
the mystery deepens
Hmm… you’re onto something here
radiant geyser
We re spamming regrowths so we have mana for the fight
oh okay, working with Abundance, cool
thorn whale
Just meld
bright swift
everyone is
thorn whale
Idk I’m just bored on public transport
flint void
is there any specific stand-out m+ oriented trinkets i should know about? QELIVE only has settings for raid-enviroment
spark river
Heart of wind is a strong one
thorn plover
QE Live has settings for both
If you're on the trinkets page, at the very top there's a raids/dungeon button
flint void
oh, it doesn't change much. so it's still ribbon + gaze
thorn whale
I want a silk trinket again
untold perch
Sorry for another possibly dumb question. What triggers abundance?
thorn whale
No flame - have you read the wowhead guide?
untold perch
I've been trying to read and watch everything I can. My friend let me know about this discord and I thought it would be fun to join.
spark river
First read the guide
Then read the talents
Then come ask questions as these are very basic
worldly urchin
Reading is for nerds. Talent through vibes.
flint void
Recommendation:
- step 1: open your talents
- step 2: mouse over the skill at the top
- step 3: read the tooltips, all of them
- step 4: go to dreamgrove.gg
- step 5: read the website you just opened.
untold perch
Ah ok. I'm sorry I thought ya all would be cool to chat with and I was excited to play again. Didn't mean to bother you.
I'll go back to googling ❤️
flint void
not trying to be mean, we're not Grok/DruidGpt/...
untold perch
Recommendation:
- step 1: open your talents
- step 2: mouse over the skill at t...
ty for this
it's cool
thought a question here and there wouldn't hurt
flint void
generally questions do not hurt
worldly urchin
Questions cause irreversible agony
untold perch
ah ok well I am sorry. Have a good day ya all
rapid radish
Would I ever take hero gaze of alnseer over a myth item from vault?
flint void
while i'm at it for recommendations, and genuinely trying to be helpful, go do some content once you've read the guide and log yourself, take the log and bring it here 
worldly urchin
Depends on what the myth item is. Gaze is super good
worldly urchin
Also worth considering because its going to be hotly contested always
onyx trail
Questions cause irreversible agony
earnest moth
hi everyone, can you help me plz ? would like to play Resto and I don't know the haste cap plz 🙂
flint void
hi everyone, can you help me plz ? would like to play Resto and I don't know the...
what haste cap
versed fiber
let it fly
untold perch
while i'm at it for recommendations, and genuinely trying to be helpful, go do s...
I just wasn't as familiar with kotg for raids.
spark river
hi everyone, can you help me plz ? would like to play Resto and I don't know the...
no cap
as much as you can
rapid radish
[Sim thyself](https://questionablyepic.com/live/topgear)
Ty for sim link :)
flint void
just use some brain with the sim thyself angle, sim your vault pieces at max ilvl they could possibly be
simming a 1/8 myth piece vs a 8/8 hero piece for example...
earnest moth
as much as you can
Thank you 😉
worldly urchin
Unless that piece of loot looks really cool and completes a transmog outfit. Vastly more important
flint void
I just wasn't as familiar with kotg for raids.
MRT or some other addons can automatically turn on advanced combat logging, this makes it so you get logs you can upload to warcraft logs, than you get something like this: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aR6CYb3FTL4hK2Qx
and so nerds in here can tell you you're doing everything wrong \jk
or have a robot tell you you're doing everything wrong at https://wowanalyzer.com/, whatever you prefer (/jk on the everything wrong, it's just that everyone will try to find anything wrong, because that's the useful bit in terms of improving)
i msyelf have been trying to get this to be perfect:
flint void
it works well-enough
spark river
Not really
worldly urchin
Uptime is funtime
flint void
but yeah, wowanalyser thinks you're doing a 30 minute fight in m+
untold perch
ok so I knew about logs but not the analyzer.
flint void
and it takes in account raid-specific things like how wild growth should hit 5 people and have like 4 be very injured,...
shut barn
Does the hot tracker track regrowth? Feels like it is
spark river
If you re talking about the addon, it doesnt
main timber
Haste is very good in PVE and I have no idea what they do in pvp. Different channel for that
flint void
the hot on regrowth is not really that useful?
grizzled seal
Would I ever take hero gaze of alnseer over a myth item from vault?
Depends on the item
flint void
oh, if you sim items, don't forget to also sim the catalysed versions
grizzled seal
the hot on regrowth is not really that useful?
Huh
worldly urchin
Going fast > going slow
grizzled seal
Hot from regrowth is the cornerstone of the spec in raid
main timber
It also heals for an insane amount nowadays
flint void
oh, old knowledge than
i remember green leaf being good spell, but the hot being garbo
shut barn
Hmm, well it was more than i was trying to use the glow at certain stacks to guide my eyes without having to always focus on frames, but i felt like count was raising on rg
sudden rover
Haste is very good in PVE and I have no idea what they do in pvp. Different chan...
ty. yeah i'm just mentioning pvp because they used to think haste is bis too in arenas, but turns out going mastery/vers is better now. So thought maybe in pve it could apply too
grizzled seal
Pvp has different scaling for spells and 2-3 targets
What does that have to do with raids
Obviously mastery is insane there
Don't need to be a genius to figure this one out
sudden rover
I never talked about raid, I'm mainly a m+ player
flint void
practically speaking pvp is a different game
grizzled seal
Mastery has been the best healing stat for m+ since legion
Are we talking about druid still?
sudden rover
yes i'm aware
I mentioned versa, just thought going maybe a bit of versa and dropping a bit of haste could be good?
grizzled seal
This is not some hidden arcane knowledge, we had this in every guide
spark river
in m+, you would drop a little mastery if you want a bit of vers
sudden rover
My main question was regarding consumables, I initially wanted to drop all the haste buffs for mastery or vers ones, was just wondering if it might be better (for keys)
main timber
You can just go haste / mastery on most slots in m+ and do very well
flint void
mastery is a flat % more healing for every hot you have on the target, if you have 2 rejuvs and a regrowth, you're already having everything on that target, including the hots, do +/- 3x mastery% more healing, that is huuuge
grizzled seal
You are not going to be capped on the number of spells castable in m+ as opposed to pvp
grizzled seal
And more spells scale from haste there (wg)
grizzled seal
In raids yes
flint void
for healing, not for damage
grizzled seal
In m+ it's fine, but obviously just worse than haste and mastery
flint void
right, because you cannot keep up constant 10-12 abundance in m+...
untold perch
so M+ - more master than haste and raid - more haste than mast?
flint void
you balance both, because there is diminishing returns on substats
untold perch
mmm ok
flint void
untold perch
Debating swaping one of my ring enchants
flint void
once you go > 1320 haste rating, any extra haste rating will only work at 90% effectiveness
untold perch
oh interesting
spark river
You dont care about dr for haste on druid
you just spam as much haste as humanly possible
If you can have every single item on haste/mastery you go for it
untold perch
that was kinda what my goal was
flint void
the correct answer to anything gear related is to Sim thyself
tough portal
ty. yeah i'm just mentioning pvp because they used to think haste is bis too in ...
Vers isnt better than haste in PVP either, it just has defensive benefit and resto druid occasionally is the most vulnerable healer vs swaps. Haste is absolutely better healing.
Mastery in the past had a negative PVP modifier, it was nerfed in PVP by 20%. Since then, the modifier was removed and the mastery % per rating was buffed 3 separate times.
flint void
simming thyself also works for enchant choices
flint void
my substats are absolutely F'd right now so don't look too much at it, too much crit.
https://questionablyepic.com/live/report/hdrfwivdxfdw
but see how it shows you specific enchants on your gear in the top?
sudden rover
Vers isnt better than haste in PVP either, it just has defensive benefit and res...
idk man, when I was fully haste/mastery I could not heal my mates' hp bars, they would die through healing. Now with only 10% haste but full vers/mastery I keep people alive
tough portal
Vers isnt better than haste in PVP either, it just has defensive benefit and res...
You'll see lots of good resto druids dropping some amount of vers via crafted for pvp with haste mastery. Vers is just on every conquest item.
flint void
look, ti shows gems & enchants
tough portal
idk man, when I was fully haste/mastery I could not heal my mates' hp bars, they...
The spec has got 2 or 3 major pvp buff passes this season
I also had a much harder time healing people 3 weeks ago lol
The game exists in context yes? Not a vacuum of your 2ndary stats
flint void
oh btw, someone told me 12.0.5 is buffing the apex talent for rdruid because blizz is madge we don't use it in raid?
untold perch
lol this is my third week as Resto
sudden rover
I was talking about resto druid during the same week, yes I know we got buffed
tough portal
How did you completely shift your 2ndary stats like that from haste to vers heavy in pvp btw?
Conquest is capped
sudden rover
when we were full blue gear, I was full haste/mastery and could not heal through shit; felt horrible
recrafted every piece with blue herarldry
and suddenly I was healing
i mean look at #1 druid in shuffle
untold perch
I've been kinda following the methodgg rdruid guide lol
tough portal
Kubzy?
tough portal
I rly dont care for arguing over whether X good player is using Y or Z mate
But I think the whole stat discussion was well laid out atp yeah?
Bless up
Happy friday
harsh quail
Im pretty sure V made it already in the m+ discussion clear that they only care about the top player without thought
sudden rover
w/e the discussion went so far off the starting point, I was talking about using mastery consumables in pve 
untold perch
I started with mast and now I use the haste ones
tough portal
w/e the discussion went so far off the starting point, I was talking about using...
Sure, I was just responding to your misunderstanding
whole horizon
i just always stack haste bc ive played for 20 years and i know better
unless they completely revamp how secondaries scale it will always be bis
untold perch
My character is over 20 years old lol does that count 😂
whole horizon
for sure
errant frost
Guys can someone please help and explain. Yesterday I was on heroic paladins and got extremely weird amount of pacify by the http://wowhead.com/spell=1250812 Aura of Piece, which is extremely unlikely as I was barely doing sufficient healing, definitely didn't spam Moonfire, but the logs are saying that I was doing moonfire damage throughout the whole fight. But the casts tab says nothing about that. Is it a brainfart from logs? or am I missing something. Here is a log itself https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pqvmtnPfKMJb1NFC?fight=19&type=casts&view=events&source=6
untold perch
I am going to try for more haste and see how that goes
spark river
Guys can someone please help and explain. Yesterday I was on heroic paladins and...
Treants cast moonfire
icy delta
Guys i have 2 shoulders same ilevel and track. One is haste,crit and one is versatility,mastery. Which should i equip?`
whole horizon
Guys i have 2 shoulders same ilevel and track. One is haste,crit and one is vers...
sim it using QE Live
grizzled seal
Use the ones with enchant on them
spark river
lol
errant frost
Treants cast moonfire
Whyyyyyyyy
Ok that makes sense thanks
So how should I approach this fight? remove treants lol?
grizzled seal
Don't stand in moonfire range
untold perch
I like to be further away on that fight so when the big puddle comes I am close to the edge and can heal the peeps running out of it
We run counter clockwise
whole horizon
there's a massive colored circle that emanates from the boss whenever they do their ultimate
you're not supposed to just stand in it
you move out of it
you dont get affected by aura of peace
problem solved
grizzled seal
I actually never had this problem with treant moonfire
stable aspen
is just the scaling of valeria complete garbo? Doing tier 1 delves while leveling at level 85 and she is worthless as a tank (literally dies to nothing) as dps she does like 1/5th of what I do as resto and obv i dont need her as healer
grizzled seal
Did you cast convoke?
stable aspen
i can solo the delves easily ofc but wtf
tough portal
is just the scaling of valeria complete garbo? Doing tier 1 delves while levelin...
First character? She isnt very good at low levels no
untold perch
I do delves as boomy and her as healer. She moves so slow.
stable aspen
I've got her at level 28
errant frost
So always maintaining at least an aura distance from bosses should be enough I guess
stable aspen
yes im thinking it might be level scaling?
spark river
Tank valeera with guardian is peak
stable aspen
im 121 / lvl 85 so
spark river
Its definitely scaling
sinful hound
I do my delves as resto with tank valeera idk
Same. This is the way. My valeera does 150k dps and I just chill in the back and keep lifebloom up lol
grizzled seal
Yeah
errant frost
Did you cast convoke?
Nope, got a tree build
untold perch
damn I gotta try that then lol
stable aspen
At 85 I need to have all hots on her and toss in the occasional regrowth just to keep her stable
dense lantern
First character? She isnt very good at low levels no
She is also kinda bad as tank specifically
tough portal
I've got her at level 28
Not sure, she does great damage for me on any character
sinful hound
damn I gotta try that then lol
What lvl is your valeera? Low lvl valeera tank gets one shot but once she’s like 30+ it becomes pretty chill in 11 delves
tough portal
But lvl 45
stable aspen
Not sure, she does great damage for me on any character
pre 90?
spark river
Not pre 90
untold perch
I've been slacking on delves when I started M+
whole horizon
So always maintaining at least an aura distance from bosses should be enough I g...
did you actually receive the Pacify debuff during the fight, or did you just notice this in logs? it doesn't look like it was applied to you.
all of your group's pets got it though, those ppl are terrible at micro
sinful hound
lvl 41
Yeah you’re big chillin. Try tank Valera with you on resto. The delves are pretty free. There’s one or two bugged mobs this week hitting her way harder than they should but for the most part it’s easy
untold perch
Yeah you’re big chillin. Try tank Valera with you on resto. The delves are prett...
def going to try that
icy delta
What is the best tank to get for a +15 seat of triumvirate?
dense lantern
What is the best tank to get for a +15 seat of triumvirate?
One that knows how to play
sinful hound
What is the best tank to get for a +15 seat of triumvirate?
I think it’s pretty subjective but I like healing brewmasters and warriors the most. Assuming they’re playing their class right that is
icy delta
I think it’s pretty subjective but I like healing brewmasters and warriors the m...
Yeah warriors are fun to heal. Paladins are the worst
untold perch
blood dks 😭
errant frost
did you actually receive the Pacify debuff during the fight, or did you just not...
Received a lot of stuff this fight, can't remember if this exact one really happened, but wipefest says I'm the worst on that mechanic during the pull
sinful hound
I know in my heart the blood dk doesn’t need healing (usually) but seeing their hp bar yo-yo still makes me panic every time lol
untold perch
lol or DH when they do feign death or w/e
whole horizon
Received a lot of stuff this fight, can't remember if this exact one really happ...
its definitely just some kind of bug
you didn't receive any applications of the Pacify debuff
somehow every logged event from pets hitting War Chaplain Senn while she's channeling Aura of Peace were attributed to you
errant frost
Probably it thinks I'm an archdruid commanding all pets
whole horizon
but i can see on the replay you didn't have a single debuff active during this window
errant frost
Thanks for your help!
whole horizon
np
tell your warlocks and hunters to learn how to put /petattack in their macros
thats insane they just leave them up doing zdps
errant frost
Lol they are not mine, pugs who then kicked all the people not from their guild on the last boss, hope their pets die in agony!
whole horizon
in aessina's name, amen
violet pagoda
Question: how do you track Incranation duration which you get from reforestation if you dont have Tree of life speced ? the buff tracker doesn't show it since it's not speced
whole horizon
i just don't bother. other people managed to get it working using other CDM addons.
violet pagoda
i am tried using better CDM it broke my UI completely sadly and now i am only using Centered CDM
slow pasture
Well if you dont have incarn you kinda can’t track it
whole horizon
bettercdm was always fine for me, i use Ayije now though
violet pagoda
Thanks for the tip about Ayije haven't heard about it before
slow pasture
ArcUI trackit well talented in ToL.
But as soon as i go convoke. I can’t track incarn duration
thorn plover
ArcUI trackit well talented in ToL.
But as soon as i go convoke. I can’t track ...
You can kinda track it, it's a bit janky but better than nothing
You make a custom bar, timer, that triggers when you lose refo buff, for 16 seconds (or 10 if you don't have the talent)
But if you cancel aura it shows the bar like you're in tree. Doesn't extend if you tranq etc
violet pagoda
wow that sound hardcore thanks for the work
slow pasture
You can kinda track it, it's a bit janky but better than nothing
Oh yeah that’s a way to do it
thorn plover
Credit squishes on that one
wide rose
im trying to compare the healing requirements of normal vs heroic vs mythic of the same fight atm, get a rough estimation
is there a ressource for the raw damage on the party somewhere, or should i keep going through logs and trying to compare damage casts to the party?
proven phoenix
wide rose
logs it is