resto

[bright swift]

it would beat my regrowth

[rustic copper]

yeah but what do you cast with the rest of your spells

[tough portal]

What are you showing here?

[rustic copper]

[bright swift]

8 targets

[thorn plover]

thats just the bloom cleave from 1 sotf

[tough portal]

You tested that it splits only after 8?

[thorn plover]

it only hits 8 now

they changed it again

[bright swift]

keep up Face

new apex 2 and 3

[tough portal]

Listen man

I have been out of commish in wow

Blizzard hates me and I hate all of them

Ok so 8 targets yeah its gonna force Photo

[thorn plover]

hits 40% of your raid for 15k each per sm

[carmine glen]

I dont think there were any notes about it in your defense

[pulsar kettle]

yeah there wasn't

[carmine glen]

I found out trying to get exact spell wording for the last rework version LOL

[bright swift]

there's no way you don't play apex 4 too

[carmine glen]

and was like wait a second...

[bright swift]

this apex 3 is cope

[tough portal]

I did test that it healed the same up to 8 targets 3 days ago actually. It was just dummies and not players

So ofc not real testing. But it was real.

[bright swift]

Still no procs from convoke

[tough portal]

The cleave is scripted so ig it makes sense it wouldnt be caught in a spell data update

[gentle nova]

gimme a tldr

im in belorelos

or whatever hte fuck

[bright swift]

it does a fuckton

[gentle nova]

its called

apoex 4?

[bright swift]

no way you don't play it

yes

both

i'm checking on an apex log now

[echo token]

should i use myth crests to transfer to heros?

[grand herald]

no

[echo token]

ok

what's the lowest keystone that still drops them?

Alot of my gear is still hero :/

but i've been doing myth level stuff

[grand herald]

just max your myth crests

then they drop hero crests

[echo token]

oh ok

[bright swift]

On a fight like this. I calculated apex healing based on 10% overhealing (same as efflo).
It would have done 11M healing

[turbid venture]

What are the priority targets to put lifebloom on in m+?

[grand herald]

crazy

[grand herald]

whoever is hurtin

[turbid venture]

That comment is beyond unhelpful

[marsh prism]

tank

[marsh prism]

the tank do be hurtin

[bright swift]

he's right though

you swap it to whoever is hurting

[marsh prism]

[bright swift]

most of the time that will be tank

[weary moss]

Just let with vines guide you

[bright swift]

@main timber can you confirm that i'm somewhat close at least?

176 bloom hits all for an average of 19.6k healing totalling in 3.4M (overhealed) blooms
60% of that is 2M, times 8 targets is 16.5M
16.5M overhealing for 10% is 14.9M

(Im very bad at math)

[main timber]

No I am in raid

[marsh prism]

literally hold the pull we are important.

[bright swift]

It's 3AM on a thursday I need to know this NOW

[marsh prism]

he doesn't care about u.

(i also cant do math)

[bright swift]

Build for Beloren

thoughts

or any fight that isn't 10 mins long

[bright swift]

I messed something up

I'm assuming apex 4 did 5 blooms here

when it does 3

[grand herald]

is that log running photo tho

[weary moss]

What is it y’all are talking about? Is this a change coming? Or has someone already talked about this? / where in the thread can I find it.

[bright swift]

yes

It's 11M healing instead of 14.9M

[fervent mica]

.5 patch

[bright swift]

@thorn plover

[thorn plover]

hi

[bright swift]

So 11M would still be top on that fight

[grizzled kayak]

how do you guys chose between tree or convoke in fights

[bright swift]

how it lines up fight per fight basis

long rot is good for tree

[thorn plover]

yeah apex is wild

I checked quick on another NK log and it ended up almost identical

as far as %

[bright swift]

36.4k HPS on that fight. While the everbloom the log used was only 16k HPS

[thorn plover]

100% buff to apex

[main timber]

Still in raid but are we going to get shot

[bright swift]

yes

lol

[main timber]

What do we want to exchange for this power

[bright swift]

make TV 1 talent point

they want to buff embrace but we can't ever take it

[main timber]

ok so you want even more buffs

[bright swift]

[rustic copper]

make it 5 points 3s per point

[bright swift]

[rustic copper]

we killed crown and I got legs

[bright swift]

We lose some stuff running this though

[rustic copper]

I have haste mastery offpiece shoulders and legs

and crafted chest

holy moly

[bright swift]

You're a fiend

show breakdown on alleria

[rustic copper]

only 163k

had some insane pulls last night

[main timber]

Thinking of exchanging Apex buff for -20% on regrowth

[bright swift]

yeah and you're basically a turret

[bright swift]

[thorn plover]

Niko might kill you

[bright swift]

wait you played apex

[rustic copper]

[bright swift]

[rustic copper]

thoughts

playing this on every boss in every raid

[bright swift]

you're like the most immobile character in the entire raid

[rustic copper]

yeah

but just play better idk

[bright swift]

meanwhile I spent 60% of my kill in tree

[rustic copper]

most immobile character

I heal intermission without clearing at all

[bright swift]

yeah you can just shift it

lol

[rustic copper]

i don't shift

I proc tree and I leave tree

[main timber]

After patch or now?

[bright swift]

yeah that's what I mean

[rustic copper]

I don't even look at the arrows unless they hit me by accident

[main timber]

PhoSy is just an absurd amount of Apex power

[rustic copper]

now

I think 9% regrowth is better for healing and tree duration for movement

[bright swift]

in this log I just looked at.
Photo: 130 blooms
Apex: 69 blooms

[main timber]

Yeah Photo is outrageous

[bright swift]

wait

no i'm wrong

Photo: 61 blooms
Apex: 69 blooms

[main timber]

Is that a live log?

[bright swift]

yes

[rustic copper]

I think you want liveliness too

[bright swift]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ck82mtxPRrvjyzbG?fight=54&type=healing&source=696

[main timber]

Yeah ok, in Beta we had PhoSy and Apex similar value for blooms

[bright swift]

Problem is only 85% lifebloom uptime

[main timber]

But now Apex will be nerfed

[bright swift]

But there are very few photo + apex logs

[main timber]

And they also shot the convoke interaction

[bright swift]

i had to look

convoke will give you more swiftmends, more apex 4 proc

prosperity too

but prosperity nerfs photo

so I don't think that's worth it

[main timber]

Make sure the log has Symb on the lifebloom target

[bright swift]

he has self lb

[main timber]

Oh yeah sure

[bright swift]

Which will make even more sense now

with the increased healing

[main timber]

Baiting WG onto yourself is a lot of procs too

[thorn plover]

how much is this maneuver going to cost us

[cursive pilot]

surely i can hop off renown now

[thorn plover]

crucible sims higher than cosmic im pretty sure

[cursive pilot]

yep

[blissful wing]

You wouldn't believe it

[radiant narwhal]

@main timber @marsh prism

[proven phoenix]

wow

good job chimp

[rustic copper]

@gentle nova @bright swift are you guys trying to soak a lot on beloren

[marsh prism]

yeah this the kinda shit my logs look like this tier

good hustle

[main timber]

Good job chimp

[radiant narwhal]

you know whats even better?

(its heroic)

[proven phoenix]

very proud

[thorn plover]

who lifebloom on lura

[bright swift]

Pulling Sunday

[rustic copper]

I need people to copy

[gentle nova]

no

[rustic copper]

who lb?

[bright swift]

Mage

But

If this apex shit goes through

Yourself

[gentle nova]

just me i think

this boss

does like

0 damage

except in 50 sec intervals

kinda dogshit

[thorn plover]

why mage

[bright swift]

They are squishy

[gentle nova]

i need more haste

this is so slow

[rustic copper]

%?

[gentle nova]

40

[rustic copper]

same

[gentle nova]

Its slow af

[fervent mica]

i miss machine gun regrowths

[half pine]

is litany bis for raid or just kinda pointless?

[buoyant gull]

Hi everyone! Does anyone have a good build for Vanguard Mythic please?

[hasty blade]

Yall talking about data mined stuff?

[bright swift]

It's not data mined

It's just on ptr

[hasty blade]

Anything on wowhead about it?

[bright swift]

No

[thorn plover]

look at trinket sim on QE

[gentle nova]

im at 200k hps

after first intermission

is that good

[waxen ingot]

what boss

[whole horizon]

rookie numbers tbh

[gentle nova]

burd

nb tranq goes absolutely isnane

[waxen ingot]

wadafak is burd

[fervent mica]

birb egg birb egg birb egg.

[rustic copper]

yep

[bright swift]

You don't tranq first intermission surely

You use somewhere P1 and then 2nd intermission

[peak charm]

Is there a way to get crystals on danders frames for midnight?

[thorn plover]

no

my unhalted frames shows them nice tho

[peak charm]

were is that

[bright swift]

They show up as boss frames

[peak charm]

ah bet ty

[rotund geode]

learning resto here, main tank, just did a +12 AA the tank told me my hps was too low, but from my end his tanking was just not appropriate most of the time, whats the expected HPS in a pug +12 where people are playing moderately ok

[sharp mantle]

Question, if I want to use the balance dmg side do I still go Wildstalker for M+?

[proven phoenix]

yeah

wildstalker is very good healing its not just damage

[sharp mantle]

so I get rid of rip swipe rake and grievous for starfire, starsurge, moonkin and sunfire?

[thorn plover]

if youre going to do that, probably just starfire and moonkin tbh

then put the other 2 in like astral influence and starlight

[sharp mantle]

and where would the 2 other points go?

[thorn plover]

unless you hate your mana

[nova torrent]

i copied vitalies build with it and it felt a lot easier, low keys tho just doing 12s

[sharp mantle]

starlight?

[thorn plover]

starlight conduit

[sharp mantle]

oop I see it

[thorn plover]

it does fine on aoe

but your single target will be trash

you should really take starfire, moonkin, rake, rip

and send hotw single target

cat hotw*

idk cats just better

[sharp mantle]

hotw?

[thorn plover]

heart of the wild

[sharp mantle]

shapeshifting feels laggy to me

Idk how to explain it

maybe laggy isn't the word, maybe clunky

[lunar sun]

Almost impossible to give an hps figure since it depends on how much damage people are taking. Where were people dying? Trash or bosses? Was the tank falling over

I think in AA the hps check is the bird boss. Vexamus and the dragon are you topping people up quickly between damage events rather than a raw extended hps check at least on a 12.

Even if people make mistakes you should be able to keep them alive through those boss fights with less than 80k hps

[sharp mantle]

I'm still low level so I don't have the level for that ability yet

maybe I just suck it up and still take cat abilities

[rotund geode]

he died one time late into the big tree pack before boss, then from the multiple bleeds from the first bird packs stacked as hell, then later i died from uninterrupted cast one shotted from the big pull before vexamus

i did not find it too problematic to heal through the tree or bird boss

[torn roost]

Do these ratios seem mostly good? I am learning and doing +2s just practicing:

[thorn plover]

NO

press regrowth

like a lot

and wild growth

but +2s arent a good gauge, theres nothing to heal

[rotund geode]

my recount was a big fucked so i couldnt check my hps for this AA but i had 58k hps on the previous key that went fine (maisara)

[thorn plover]

hps doesnt mean anything in m+

1. did you time the key
2. did people die

[rotund geode]

honestly it felt like just another sore loser because he didnt set up good packs correctly from my end but since his sole argument was my hps and im new to resto i was keen to inquire

[lunar sun]

What are you doing during those pulls? If you keep life bloom and rejuv on him and just blast regrowths that’s all you can do outside of ironbark and cc to help him kite

It’s not an hps issue at all

[sacred wasp]

witht he smoothing of damage this season like you can genuinely outheal most bad play granted they're not getting oneshot

[rotund geode]

yeah well the bird pack i dont know, it took me by surprise but i didnt feel like i could do anything he had just too many stacks

[steady lily]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2j3nRhWzfyqCcYLA?fight=last

anything i could do better but dps.

[rotund geode]

the pull before vexamus i couldnt do nothing ijust got killed by uninterrupted mechanic

[lunar sun]

If his sole argument is hps

And it was mainly him dying

Then yeah ignore

[rotund geode]

and the tree big pull, maybe i could have handled a better rotation of soothe and healing buttons but idk, it felt a bit messy to me he was a paladin

[lunar sun]

Hps is silly

[rotund geode]

he just died pretty quickly suddenly

[lunar sun]

That’s paladins

If they run out of defensives they’re cooked

[rotund geode]

yeah

well

thats what happened

[lunar sun]

And you’ll use bark to fill in the gaps

Vortex to help kite

[rotund geode]

my first day of +10s and more with resto was very instructive, i healed a dk a dh a paladin and brewmaster across 4 keys

4 very different experiences

yeah i need to use vortex better prolly

try to adjust it for tank

but some tanks just dont want to kite

they want to tank

i guess i need to track tank CDs what do we have for that without weak aura

i took a huge break

[thorn plover]

you cant

[rotund geode]

oh

well

how am i suppsoed to fill the gap

i guess i need to feel the gap then

LOL

[steady lily]

any help

[plucky flare]

hello! Do we know the spell ID for Abundance?

[thorn plover]

207383

[plucky flare]

ty

[plain rampart]

dps

[unique wren]

whats the first thing i should look into when i have really big mana problems as a resto druid? whats the most common thing i do wrong?

[thorn plover]

too much rejuv

[hardy canopy]

regrowth spam with no abundance too

[unique wren]

so u think i just overreact in casting to much? or i heal the wrong way?

[main timber]

If you have a log it's usually something we can answer quickly

[abstract tulip]

lifebloom uptime, regrowthing without enough rejuvs out

[haughty ibex]

u can acc with minicc

[untold perch]

Does anyone have any good videos for raid heals? I can crush an M+ but raids are rough

[marsh prism]

vrocas povs on YouTube idk who else is uploading this tier

[thorn plover]

im uploading but im trash

[untold perch]

Awesome thank you!

[marsh prism]

how well does it function be honest

[haughty ibex]

actually really well for me genuenly, they fixed lots of stuff, u have options to decide what spells to show etc and they glow on use

its been quite consistent past couple weeks

[narrow ruin]

are we gonna have Dinar this tier?

or is that ded

[thorn plover]

not dinar, we get bonus rolls

[narrow ruin]

🤔 Bonus roll?

like extra item from raid drop?

[thorn plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/bonus-rolls-are-returning-in-patch-12-0-5-with-knockout-system-380757

[narrow ruin]

sweet thanks

damn 1 try a week in raid 😮

[abstract tulip]

why dont the dispells show up on raid frames for the 1st mythic boss in voidspire?

[thorn plover]

because blizz hates healers

[abstract tulip]

gotcha

[thorn plover]

they show up, but they dont highlight like a normal dispel

[narrow ruin]

it should show up in the corner where you setup private auras

[thorn plover]

make sure youre showing boss debuffs

[steady lily]

thanks dude

[thorn plover]

make them huge

[abstract tulip]

okay i have bliz default raid frames ill look at the options do you know where it is at?

[urban kestrel]

is there much of a rundown for cosmos prog?

[thorn plover]

if you search dispel in the options

[marsh prism]

nsrt can add

for some reason I can see everything else but not that one

I was in for the first time on that boss last night

[thorn plover]

that and chim they left private for some reason

[marsh prism]

I can see chim

so I have no idea

I need to get more familiar with grid2 for troubleshooting

[mystic crater]

Take lessons from @lyric surge

😛

[lyric surge]

wait what'd I miss?

[mystic crater]

Grid 2 troubleshooting, you’re good at it

[gentle nova]

[thorn plover]

lol what fight

niko would be proud

[marsh prism]

nah nothing i just made the swap to grid2 so i need to get more familiar with it in general so that whenever i run into any issues i can quickly take a look under the hood so to speak

[gentle nova]

niko is proud

[marsh prism]

cant do that now yet

[abstract tulip]

i made the icons bigger thank you i see the dispels now its in the left hand corner

[gentle nova]

my mana is kinda evaporating tho

[radiant narwhal]

should I be swiftmending lifebloom or refreshing in the pandemic window

[thorn plover]

yes

[abstract tulip]

after you swifmend the next rejuv or regrowth will proc the lifebloom to bloom so you want to make sure you have 3+ seconds left on it so it doesnt fall off before the blooms

[lyric surge]

feel free to hit me up with any questions!

[abstract tulip]

my guild is procrastinating mythics bc they dont want to make a 20man roster so i decided to jump into a mythic pug to learn a little bit and maybe get lucky

[gentle nova]

druid so weak on this boss

its gg

[proven phoenix]

grid2 is goated

everyone should swap

[gentle nova]

[primal jungle]

VAL REMEMBER THIS

https://www.twitch.tv/bluehouse/clip/HeartlessViscousGazelleBlargNaut

coolest move i ever pulled off

cant believe we did that fight without a priest to yoink us

[rustic copper]

you need to sotf rejuv more on bird

there are a lot of points with 0 dmg

sotf rg for 3 rg hots is bald

[gentle nova]

i only sotf rg on the aoe

oh nvm

i do it for the absorbs

xd

but yeah im dropping to low on abundance

[silver flame]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/LBxDN8ZjG91gwzCH/79-Heroic+Crown+of+the+Cosmos+-+Wipe+32+(4:48)/10-Drrekt/standard

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LBxDN8ZjG91gwzCH?fight=last&type=healing

Can someone critique me? Trying to grow out of gray blue wondering what I should focus on.

[gentle nova]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes/

[silver flame]

Oo this is helpful!

[fervent mica]

finally killed salad and beat the disc! its a Christmas miracle

[gentle nova]

grats!

[clear oracle]

How much haste are we looking for in M+ right now? I have 32% wit 29% mastery and unsure if I should still go for a haste flask or if mastery or versa would be more beneficial (15-16 key range)

[little lava]

why do people primarily run convoke on crown?

[fervent mica]

more haste more betterer

[gentle nova]

i need liike

60% haste

[peak charm]

Elaborate vs danders ?

[west topaz]

grid2 doesn't run like shit

and also isn't vibecoded

I like both but I can't deny that

danders has definitely just broken midpull before

[proven phoenix]

literally the only reason why I wouldnt get danders is because every 2 days I hear about someones danders completely exploding

and I have never had that with grid2

[west topaz]

danders is also just a worse Cell so that feeling of disgust is still there lmao

a sadness

[clear oracle]

The only weird thing with danders I have is that it sometimes decides to switch the order of players in dungeons if I have two ranges or melees

[wide rose]

I wish danders let me show role / class icons

Unless im just unaware

Scoured the options

[clear oracle]

No clue how to activate it but mine shows role icons. Class I am not aware beyond class color on health bar or player name

[inner sonnet]

Use the search function and search "role", should popup

[wide rose]

Will try

[abstract tulip]

you are so silly root

[thorn plover]

I've had very little issues with danders since beta. Nothing that's ever made me feel the need to switch

[abstract tulip]

is the natures bounty the regrowth heal that heals other people with your regrowth?

[thorn plover]

The setup and ux is super

[abstract tulip]

i got this other druid in this pug and their natures bounty is like their 5th heal and mine is way lower

awe they left the pug now ill forever be bad

[steady lily]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ptGgJTxawB36AVP8?fight=last

what can i improve just in terms of healing and not dps

[gentle nova]

its a lot of hps

[abstract tulip]

i have convoke but thinking about swapping to treeee

all the druids with tree are beating me by a lot

like 35k more

[proven phoenix]

convoke and incarn is just preference on most bosses tbh

[thorn whale]

I’m starting to feel performance issues honestly

But the setup is very easy, even for me

[proven phoenix]

I think if u play well fundamentally u can do god with either

[rustic copper]

The gap between them is smaller than gameplay

It’s not even possible to tell which is actually better I think

[abstract tulip]

okay well then i dont push the buttons properly then 🙂

[rustic copper]

Press regrowth harder

[abstract tulip]

i just make bad decisions lol

[gentle nova]

i would play tree here but then youre just useless for 5 out of 6 mins

[abstract tulip]

doing the 1st boss on mythic

but its a super pug so im just tryin to do my best

[gentle nova]

press regrowth

[empty wind]

any cell profiles ?

defult beta seems abit cooked, cant get it to show dispells in m+ ?

[atomic sierra]

I got a gear question for my healers...

I can upgrade my Echo of L'ura from a 3/6 Hero (266) to a 1/6 Myth (272), or... I can swap my shoulders out Champ 2/6 (250) for Tier Shoulders, Hero 1/6 (259)... That'd save me a catalyst charge, but I DO have enough NOW to get my 4 piece off the pieces I have, so it's not NECESSARY... Though it'd allow me to save a charge, in case I get a replacement.

Pushing my trink into Myth sounds nice, but I don't think it's THAT good of a trinket (I could be mistaken), and I'd almost rather play it safe with my catalysts, as I'm running mythics pretty consistently, high enough to get Hero gear.

And, I've heard mixed reviews on getting new charges, once they hit their 4 set.. So it could be 2 dungeons back to back, or 20 more for 1 charge.. Lol

[frozen prairie]

That's not good trinket imo. Also when you have 4p you drop extra catalyst charges from m+,raids etc

[atomic sierra]

Right right. I mean, sure it's pure int, but the gain is fairly small, even if I upgrade it from myth 1/6 to 6/6... Which I probably wouldn't do anyways, cos I'm using myth crests for crafting RN.

Hate to see a 272 go to waste. Lol

[frozen prairie]

well you can look that other way and say i hate to throw mythic crest on not good pieces 😄 do QE sim and see what it says. You can post results here so we can see all your geear

[rustic copper]

Shoulders or a socket Imo

Don’t take that trinket it’s rly bad

[atomic sierra]

Yeah, it's showing bottom half.

Aight, cool

That's what I wanted to do anyways. Sometimes it pays not to chase the iLvl. =X

Thanks guys.

[frozen prairie]

they buffed that trinket recently and its still bad

[atomic sierra]

Kind of a strange activation window IMO.... 45 sec uptime, 2 min 15 sec downtime.. Just feels odd to me.

[vocal hinge]

wrong discord?

[frozen prairie]

top 4 for trinket

bottom 4 does not matter

[atomic sierra]

Damn, QE is really simming the Crucible trinket like 2k+ points above that l'una one, even 6/6 hero

Guess I underestimated it.

[frozen prairie]

Yeah its really good if its upgraded

until you get gaze/ribbon/Stare or HoW its good one

or even litany but just for m+. But I hate it tbh. Annoying to use.

[gentle nova]

big cock honestly

@rustic copper

[rustic copper]

Big nb holy moly

[slow pasture]

Holy

[balmy spire]

Vorasius sucks as resto imho >_<

[still crystal]

does anyone know how much % of healing does liveliness do?

[abstract tulip]

i died on the kill but our 3% wipe i stayed alive. i still so far down on the heals compared to everyone . i think i dont time the heals with the damage properly https://wowanalyzer.com/report/W6zJd7D8j3xq4rQB/49-Mythic+Imperator+Averzian+-+Wipe+17+(7:16)/635-Valvals/standard

[pallid glen]

Why do you use lifebloom so often? I always aim to just swiftmend the lifebloom target to keep it at 3 stacks, when it would expire i try to refresh it in the pandemic window and just swiftmend after, keeps it up almost all the time and i can spend my gcd on more valuable spells (take that with a grain of salt tho, just started healing this expansion)

[gentle nova]

2%

[abstract tulip]

ive been trying to refresh it in the pandemic the addon announces when its time but i think i still push it too early. i think swiftmending the lifebloom is a good strategy

[pallid glen]

do you use it on the same target all the time? i honestly just lifebloom myself and swiftmend myself

[abstract tulip]

yeah i keep it on the tank unless i miss click

but it says i only used 22 lifebloom casts in a 7min fight

[frozen prairie]

LB on yourself and position yourself for efflo

[abstract tulip]

i have a log where there was another resto druid in the group but they were using treeform

[pallid glen]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/Qc6zYXKGJ19NPm2b/6-Mythic+Imperator+Averzian+-+Kill+(6:37)/155-Cimlin/standard here is my imp kill not perfect at all, but as i said i jsut started out

[abstract tulip]

are you convoking on cd?

i feel like im waiting for the damage but it usally isnt justifed so i hold it

[pallid glen]

yeah, its in my opinion never worth the keep it, unless you know in the next few seconds you get blasted. i usually try to keep everything on cooldown while maintaining 12 abundance stacks and spamming regrowth on targets that dont have the buff if no one is low.

Usually i try to convoke when i have tree of life from reforestation, but the first convoke would get delayed to long so i just use it as soon as possible

[abstract tulip]

yeah i dont think i react to the damage properly the other healers heal it up so fast and im just slow

[gentle nova]

u shouldnt react

[pallid glen]

well resto druid is not a spot healer, you cant compete with them. just keep your hots up on as many ppl as possible and you will top the meters

[abstract tulip]

🤷‍♀️ maybe im just old and slow

off to bed ty for the tips 🙂

[mystic crater]

Don’t get hit by the rocks on the way to bed

(Sleep well)

[abstract tulip]

Yeah maybe I can stream again and @primal jungle can tell me what I’m doing wrong haha

I still stand in puddles I’m notorious

[spare sand]

If i dont need mana from ms do i switxh it to liveliness or is sonething better? No Apex raid build

[urban kestrel]

yeah if you dont feel like you'll go oom, grab liveliness or regenesis or reforestation or photo or something

[lyric otter]

Should I take mastery or Haste for +13 acadamy?

my stats

[rough patio]

Any advice on healing through the Void-Infused Destroyers eruption + cleave in Seat of Triumvirate in 14+ keys?

[lyric otter]

going from a 10 to 13 now in this pug

guessing mastery

[fervent mica]

more haste more betterer

[coral pagoda]

crit/hase neck 289 or stick with mastery/haste 276, there's no int on neck, i would rather stick with mastery/haste? 9%crit/27%haste/29%mastery/9% vers

289 would give me +40 haste but - 200 mastery

[primal jungle]

PUDDLES HAPPEN CLICKING IS PREVENTABLE

[fervent mica]

WUT

[slow pasture]

Wild take

[vivid peak]

If you're not at 60% haste take haste

[distant birch]

If i get more haste ill oom fasterer tho

[weary lantern]

rdruids can oom?

[balmy spire]

Explanation?

[distant birch]

Looqd can

Idk about others

[balmy spire]

Where you get those infos from with breakepoints?

[fervent mica]

just wrong...

no such thing as breakpoints.

[weary lantern]

I think he means diminishing returns

[balmy spire]

thats also bullshit

sitting at 38% haste

no dr

[distant birch]

Also important thing is that just because u hit a dr, doesnt mean the stat isnt still your best stat

Depends on many factors

But 90% of haste can still be better than 100% of other stat

[balmy spire]

you prio haste > mastery at all times, if you are at 40% you still prio haste > mastery

[thorn whale]

You don’t prio anything

You put it into QE

And it tells you what to do

[fervent mica]

"no one"

[thorn whale]

It’s wrong

[weary lantern]

dps mindset

you aim for even numbers cause of ocd ofc

[thorn whale]

Makes sense

Thanks

[lyric surge]

It doesn't matter if it's less efficient if it still gives you the most throughput

But determining what gives the most throughput is what qe live is for

[thorn whale]

Do you understand what people are telling you in here

@glacial echo

[dense lantern]

there is, but it doesn't matter

[thorn whale]

Even if the value of haste is lowered because of DR, it is still numerically the better stat (even if lowered!) for your healing throughput

So saying “go to 31 and no more” doesn’t make sense, cause it’s not correct

[slow pasture]

By numbers (not the true one)

If 1 haste = 1 hps without DR 0.95hps 1st breakpoint 0.90hps 2nd breakpoint and so on // 1 mastery = 0.8 hps

Even you go deep in breakpoint, your haste has still more value

That's an exemple, not actual numbers

[steady lily]

Any help please

[gentle nova]

hmmm

what

this cant be right

like

wildstalker hero talent is just 30% hps if you add all of it together?

• a mastery stack

this doesnt even come close

i need an explanation

like quickly

ok i need to be back when the cool kids are awake

u guys are boring

[vivid peak]

what is there to explain?

[primal jungle]

SRY WE WENT TO PUBLIC SCHOOL & AREN'T RUSSIAN

[gentle nova]

why is wildstalker showing its 15% more hps

[primal jungle]

Why did they name a talent after my ex

[gentle nova]

LMAO

[primal jungle]

see u said were boring which is wrong we just dont know the tc

[gentle nova]

ur not boring root

[onyx trail]

love u root

[gentle nova]

@cyan minnow is this module working correctly? seems pretty insane

wait i can check that

[inland mountain]

What's the play in ToL form if I already have 12 abundance, spam regrowth or push more rejus or?

[lyric surge]

Love you @primal jungle glad you're still around

[gentle nova]

yes it is

so that talent is just 8% hps okay

okay wildstalker is bis

im going to bed

gnight

[lyric surge]

Sleep well @gentle nova

[proven phoenix]

I will not be playing wildstalker

[gentle nova]

you will

look at that shit

[narrow monolith]

Fuck yeah we love wild stalker

[gentle nova]

that aint even counting 5% from symbiotic bloom healing and 3% from bursting growth

its just the talents

wtf?

[proven phoenix]

I want wildstalker to be good tbf

I didnt even look at that ss

[gentle nova]

• free mastery stack

[proven phoenix]

strateginc infusion looks way inflated

in that ss

theres no way its that high

[gentle nova]

• all this

wtf?

yeah seems fishy

[proven phoenix]

symb blooms adds another layer of gameplay where you need to prio them for healing too

I cba

bro

[wary belfry]

its probably double counting

[gentle nova]

https://github.com/WoWAnalyzer/WoWAnalyzer/blob/midnight/src/analysis/retail/druid/restoration/modules/spells/Wildstalker/StrategicInfusion.tsx

look at it

i dont understand it

[proven phoenix]

working with crit chance in wowa is complete ass

for one thing

let me look

[wary belfry]

Strategic infusion shouldn't even be higher than 4% with 100% of ur healing benefiting

[proven phoenix]

yeah

I mean it looks fine

but it is just double counting because of how wowa gets crit chance

most likely

its just super fucked, I remember there was a tier set that buffed hot crit chance or smth that I implemented

and it was just ass

[gentle nova]

ok so its 3.7

still

all the other shit does more than kotg combined

thats with convoke tho not tol

maybe with tol kotg shows more

[proven phoenix]

yeah tol will be a lot more

[plain steeple]

Always haste, since the buffs bonus is multiplicative.

[sudden rover]

am I trolling if I start using mastery consums

I swear I have the feeling haste is useless in midnight for resto

in arenas I was going haste build and I was not healing. I switch to mastery/vers and instantly my buttons were healing again

[plain steeple]

Does it count the critchance for all direct heals as well maybe?
The value would make sense if it counts the direct heal of Regrowth and maybe even double counts it via NB.

[gentle nova]

I wss thinking it may have to do withh rg hot

Since it crits 90% of the time

But idk

[sudden rover]

@main timber would love your input on this pls

[gentle nova]

Maybe counting how many hots critted is how the modules evaluates it

[plain steeple]

Well it works for the RG hot. But even with a 2.6 factor for crits there, it won’t do much. The hot of Regrowth is only somewhere around 1/3 of the total Regrowth healing.

[balmy spire]

playing wildstalker is complete bs

[gentle nova]

Yes but its guaranteed crit

[next blaze]

Is there some folks that have yt videos or vods of higher keys i can watch. Can't find any

[gentle nova]

Why? Its same shit

[plain steeple]

It will provide you the easiest and most mana efficient playstyle in 12.0.5
Not the highest hps though.

[sudden rover]

vickman on youtube he has a bunch of 18 19

[plain steeple]

But for people who are new to the spec I’d probably even recommend to play WS in 12.0.5

[gentle nova]

Wildstalker next patch is gonna be busted

[plain steeple]

Kotg will still be better (with prosperity). But much harder to play IMO.

[gentle nova]

Stack all hots on you and implant then proc the sotf

[plain steeple]

And many ppl fail with the current iteration of resto druid.

[gentle nova]

I dont think kotg is better with how we are playing

[plain steeple]

We will have to play differently to optimise the apex talents.

With how we are playing now, WS will be better. Hence why I’m telling that I’d recommend it for many players.

[gentle nova]

What does kotg do tho

For apex symb bloom is just better

Vigorous creepers and a mastery stack

Plus another hot for phosy

[balmy spire]

So we really play ws with 0.5?

jesus >_<

[gentle nova]

Idk

If you have 30 rejuv cpm prolly not

[balmy spire]

i mean we dont change the playstyle

[proven phoenix]

no man theres no decision

[balmy spire]

but for real, we got alot more hots/blooms

[proven phoenix]

just chill and im sure you will know

[thorn whale]

Most people should really mute this channel and just get their info from guides that get updated in due time

[gentle nova]

But i dont see the value of kotg when i have 3 wg cpm and 13 rejuv cpm

Except the cool shit like sm cdr, control and longer refo

[grizzled seal]

Why is patient custodian so low on wowanalyzer

Should be higher, no?

6% hot healing

2.41% from that means only about 35-40% of your healing is from hots, that can't be right

Rejuv, wg, lifebloom hot and regrowth hot are more than that

If you do nature's bounty attribution correctly too

Also wildstalkers power needs to be higher too

[gentle nova]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bzHqXy47wpFjZ3TR?fight=6&type=casts&source=8

[grizzled seal]

10% rejuv, efflo, lifebloom can't be 1.76%

[gentle nova]

That was the log

[balmy spire]

does implant counts for all WG targets

or only one?

[grizzled seal]

One

[gentle nova]

That was a bird pull i did

Rg is 40% of my hps

[balmy spire]

doesnt make twin sprouts more sense then?

[grizzled seal]

No, implant generates way moreb

[gentle nova]

Plus it procs from convoke

[balmy spire]

ok that makes sense then

[grizzled seal]

You press wg and sm more often than twin sprouts will proc by a large margin

Maybe WS will be the play if apex gets buffed

[gentle nova]

Its also nice to have a symb bloom on someone when you are in your rg window

[grizzled seal]

But keeper buffs rg and wg by more

[gentle nova]

It just does 40% more hps

[grizzled seal]

Or am I wrong?

[gentle nova]

I donno but the way we are playing

Meaning optimizing bounty healing

If you press too much wg u will oom

Can always swap livelinees next patch for ms i guess

[grizzled seal]

Liveliness is shit anyway

Idk why you are playing it

[gentle nova]

For phosy too?

[grizzled seal]

Embrace is just better

[upper inlet]

Hi! Any macros for a resto beginner druid ?

[gentle nova]

No, i mean for phosy next patch

[grizzled seal]

I doubt it will make a dent

[gentle nova]

Im playing 4 apex

The thing is control of the dream is too good

[marsh prism]

holy fuck i thought niko was just randomly japanese now

[gentle nova]

It sucks not having it

[marsh prism]

im going to get tanked and try to heal heroic lura

ok wait ill answer your question fr sorry

[upper inlet]

xD Its my real name but in Japanese version, due to one of my best friends teaching me the meaning of my name. Practically Nikko is ray of sunshine in Japanese and spelled like this.

[marsh prism]

there's one for convoke you might want, gimmie a sec

[gentle nova]

The thing with druid rn is it feels very weak imo

[marsh prism]

/cast Convoke the Spirits
/cqs```

[gentle nova]

Like on convergences im solo healing the third one and its just so sus

[marsh prism]

@upper inlet use this, otherwise sometimes convoke breaks

[gentle nova]

A convoke does nothing

[marsh prism]

channels can be finicky

[gentle nova]

Nb does a lot of healing but spreaded out

So its not like its topping the raid

Like one nb tick is 10k

[grizzled seal]

Shouldn't WS be better now and keeper better later with the changes

If we are considering WS

[upper inlet]

Huh, did not notice, wdym by it breaks

[gentle nova]

Why keeper better with changes?

[grizzled seal]

Because keeper buffs regrowth more?

Just looking at the tree

[marsh prism]

sometimes the channel cancels depending on spellqueueing

it does functionally nothing additional it just protects your channel

[upper inlet]

Oh wow that sucks xdd

[grizzled seal]

Like if you are just mashing rejuvs old-school then WS is "better"

[naive chasm]

Depends what your stat distribution already is surely? I can only speak for pve though but assume pvp isnt so different. If you already have 1000 haste from gear and only 200 mastery then a mastery consumable is probably going to be better. You can "sim" this stuff on QE live also

[grizzled seal]

Maybe I'm looking at this wrong

I just don't believe this everbloom change will go on as is

[gentle nova]

Oh

I dont think you are updated are u

[upper inlet]

ty ❤️

[grizzled seal]

On what

[gentle nova]

Xd

[sudden rover]

right, that is the value I'm looking for. what is the treshold for haste that I can go and then go full mastery/vers?

[balmy spire]

but its nerfed from 5 to 3 times ?

[naive chasm]

Tbh I am not sure on that. I have about 29% haste without any consumables at the moment and when I simmed on qe live it said go mastery consumable

[gentle nova]

It heals 8 people now full stop

[naive chasm]

As I only have like 400 mastery otherwise

Versus 900 haste

[gentle nova]

And yes they nerfed apex 4 to 3 blooms

[balmy spire]

so they allready changed smth

but 8 ppl is fine with full bloom

instead of 5 and flattening beyond 5

[gentle nova]

Its op af

[naive chasm]

I have seen some people say that around 30% haste is sufficient but not sure if thats true

[balmy spire]

so we play 4/4 apex and 2 min convoke then as it seems

or 3/4 apex and 1 min convoke

[sudden rover]

ye im 30 haste 32 mastery atm

[gentle nova]

Or 1 tv

[naive chasm]

Damn I am jealous you have that much mastery

[grizzled seal]

I've seen that

[gentle nova]

You still think it doesnt go live?

[balmy spire]

it will

[grizzled seal]

Nope

[proven phoenix]

it wont

its not going live in that state

[balmy spire]

its allready nerfed wtf

[grizzled seal]

It might go live but gets nerfed in 1 week

[proven phoenix]

yes

people are going to lose their mind

[grizzled seal]

What do you mean "nerfed"

[proven phoenix]

@grizzled seal have you played a lot of crown yet

how far in are you

[grizzled seal]

This is an insane buff for the best healer in m+ and a healer that was used in rwf

It will not remain like this, trust me

[grizzled seal]

30% best pull

[proven phoenix]

oh we're like exact same prog then

[dense oasis]

😮

[proven phoenix]

the p3 chain breaks are actually destroying us

[grizzled seal]

We had 40 mins yesterday

[proven phoenix]

and we miss a ton of arrows in p2 randomly

[grizzled seal]

We still have 2 full raid days left so

[proven phoenix]

our next raid is sunday so I think it just dies after a full night

[grizzled seal]

Idk how hard beloren is now

[proven phoenix]

yeah we have 1 full night

I've heard its doable

not easy but doable

[gentle nova]

P1 and intermission 1 is easy

P2 gets chaotic

[grizzled seal]

Do you mean alleria?

[gentle nova]

No im in bird

Lmao

[grizzled seal]

What the fuck is intermission

[gentle nova]

Egg

Whatever

They love kyveza esque intermissions

[grizzled seal]

It's called p2

You just rotate p1 and p2

[balmy spire]

from 5 to 3 blooms on 4/4 talent, and 8 people getting 60% instead of 15 people with hard reduced amount of bloom

[gentle nova]

Its just so hard to play druid now

One pulls i completely fuck up

And do tank hps

[balmy spire]

I hope and i think rdruid changes will go live like this, maybe they nerf the amount to 50% instead of 60%, still should be fine

[gentle nova]

And one pulls i pull this

So inconsistent

[gentle nova]

Will apex make me feel relevant

Probably not

[naive chasm]

So resto sucks in raid atm?

[balmy spire]

No

[gentle nova]

It doesnt suck its just hard

[naive chasm]

Why

[gentle nova]

And its flat profile

[balmy spire]

Apex gets buffed anyways, maybe just not as heavy as it is right now on ptr

[marsh prism]

other classes can do more with less thought and cpm

in addition to it being hard for why matt said

[gentle nova]

Idk other classes but i doubt they require this level of thinking

[marsh prism]

mistweaver presses one button

[rustic coyote]

Because it is a pro active healing class. It is not just healing rain, chain heal spam and some totems here and there

[gentle nova]

Real? Its not like yulon into enveloping into vivify anymore?

[marsh prism]

zar sent me sometinh g i cant remember what page and i am getting tipsy

[proven phoenix]

I think the whole reactive healing thing has gone kinda out the window recently

[gentle nova]

Its not only that like its proactive sure but its just not as scripted i guess

[thorn whale]

1 sec let me show you

[proven phoenix]

some specs lose more by being entirely reactive and some lose less but every spec loses something

[thorn whale]

There are 2 builds for mw @gentle nova

It’s what you said and a stupid SG build that will get nuked

[west stag]

hey all! just a quick (maybe stupid) question: why dont we pick yseras gift anymore? I know its two talent points (with buff), but it seems like a solid choice bcs we always aim to have at least 12stacks of abundance with reju

[thorn whale]

Lemme send you a healing breakdown

[gentle nova]

Whats sg

Fistweave?

[proven phoenix]

its not a solid choice at all

that talent is awful

[gentle nova]

But i swear everyone is playing yulon

[proven phoenix]

sheiluns gift

[grand herald]

Its in the final section now and competes with other very strong talents

[proven phoenix]

its juts the spot healing build

you play it on healing absorb bosses and sheiluns people for their entire absorb value

[median marsh]

Yeah that build is only good on paladins

Cause you just turbo blast healing absorbs

Highest HPS is the standard build

[thorn whale]

I think RWF mw’s played no apex sheilun build as well

Not only on paladins

[west stag]

it seems good though 😄 sad thing it isnt that good compared to other talents - i wont pick it, dont worry 😄 just curious

[balmy spire]

just play disc and blast

like every tier

xD

[gentle nova]

True

But

You move at 5mph

Good class

[balmy spire]

maybe less

on vorasius

[marsh prism]

they have like perma movesoeed or some shit

every time someone mentions priest movespeed they gain 10% more

[gentle nova]

Okay but do they have tigerdash

[marsh prism]

hps loss

sorry im being beligerent

i may stream aotc

[gentle nova]

Strom it

[marsh prism]

is it hard should i even try if im blitzed

should i also eat a gummy about it

[gentle nova]

Its like mid tier mythic boss

According to nikolas

But he always exaggerates

[grand herald]

Its 6% of your max HP healed every 4 seconds at the cost of 2 talent points and only getting that much value when you have 12+ rejuvs

[marsh prism]

is there addon or weakaura i have to get

that is functioning

[gentle nova]

Northren sky added the map

For the memory game

[marsh prism]

nice

[grand herald]

Thats 1.5% max hp per second, thats what, 3k HPS at the cost of 2 talent points in the final gate?

[gentle nova]

Just update it

[marsh prism]

oh i see

[grand herald]

I don't actually know how big our healthbars are rn :^)

[marsh prism]

i see it, and it's got the link to the icon replacement runes display thing

[gentle nova]

400k hp

Thats why i feel weak

Im doing 200k hps with bountybonly after a tranq

But its 200k/20

[grand herald]

Ok so its 6k hps for 2 talent points under optimal conditions

[gentle nova]

Because all my fucking heals heal for 10k

[grand herald]

Yeah yseras aint that great

[gentle nova]

Ysera is a 3% talent

At most

Thats what it was before

Shouldntbhave changed

So completely useless

[knotty goblet]

Is the pinned message about crafting advice still the general consensus?

[vivid peak]

yes

[knotty goblet]

Was thinking of jumpstarting my chest slot with a 285, since it's high budget and offpiece tier. Not many use crafted chest tho, looking at Archon page.

Mythtrack 1h + crafted 285 OH with hunt I might add, so 2nd craft is what it would be.

[grizzled seal]

People crafting 1h this season are morons

No flame ofc

[knotty goblet]

I didn't craft it, vault drop. Paired it with crafted OH.

[gentle nova]

Its too many crests

180 vs 80

For the same item basically

[grizzled seal]

Why would you pick it from the vault

[knotty goblet]

Only viable item :/

[grizzled seal]

It's not a viable item

[simple rivet]

what is else in ur vault

[grizzled seal]

A socket is better than 1h

[knotty goblet]

I screwed up then, ill advice. Not much to change it.

269 duskwraith trinket @simple rivet

[gentle nova]

Chest is common second pick

[knotty goblet]

Only defence I have is spark-budget, but yeah. 2H would have been the right pick it seems.

[simple rivet]

i would take socket hunt is more powerfull, even if u craft chest next week by my char 1 hunt + arcanowave is slightly better than 2x arcano

[humble kiln]

hey guys, what's the usual crafter fee for a 2H weapon? Not trying to get ripped off

[vivid peak]

free + optional tip

[bright swift]

@grizzled seal Did you see the apex changed again

[grizzled seal]

Yes

It's getting nerfed more bro

[bright swift]

I did some calculations

[grizzled seal]

People need to stop coping

[marsh prism]

i yam

[grizzled seal]

You'll have to drop something for photo

[bright swift]

Reforest maybe

[grizzled seal]

One more

[bright swift]

1 Tv

[grizzled seal]

Fuck that

2 min convoke

[bright swift]

That cannot be good

[grizzled seal]

TV completely nukes all your healing

[old pollen]

Wtf that's me

[bright swift]

@old pollen yes it is 😄

You were one of the only logs that played apex with photo

It's very rare

[restive latch]

Hello i have a question which addon is the best for ui resto druid ?

[bright swift]

That's a very broad question

[restive latch]

Yes, I imagine it's relative to each person, but since I play with the default Blizzard UI, I think there are better options, but I don't know what they are. ^^

[lost crypt]

Danders frames for party/raid frames is great

[grand herald]

Speaking of logs, feeling good about mine rn cause i parsed higher than people i recognize from here on dragons tonight 😄

Now i dont feel like a fake rdruid player

[lost crypt]

Ive used elvui for years

[restive latch]

Thank you Beerdyman i will check and try these two 🙂

[lyric otter]

umm i just got a piece of gear very unexpectedly

why?

was from a random weekly that just has the chance to give a spark. 6/6h alrdy. fulll haste, 2 sockets, and a special equip effect? this is actually a big upgrade. It came out of nowhere tho. Is this normal

[shut barn]

Where did you see this by the way?

[bright swift]

They just changed it on ptr without making any notes

[shut barn]

Ah i see, will await notes

[lyric otter]

anyone know why i got this ring and if its normal? its not some bug that will be taken from me when i wake up after gemming and enchanting it?

[grizzled seal]

It's an item from Lura

Gz

[somber sequoia]

thoughts on my guild wanting to give the hpala my innervate and SOM

[bright swift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/121880955379122176/1491960650082025472/image.png?ex=69d99822&is=69d846a2&hm=1bafda757e79ae7d30976e50d1717483a795a8f8db73ce817addf7d4f88dd2b5&

[somber sequoia]

for alleria

[grizzled seal]

SOM does nothing mana wise

[lyric otter]

I can get a heroic max lura ring from the weekly quest?

[grizzled seal]

People are coping

[bright swift]

Yes

[lyric otter]

The stupid chest that usually gives either a spark or veteran piece..

[grizzled seal]

You can get any raid item, you just happened to get this one

[somber sequoia]

ya but my innervate

[grizzled seal]

It's a dungeon event so it's heroic this week

[harsh quail]

it was the 4 dungeon quest, you are confusing things

[somber sequoia]

told them ya no you aint getting my innervate lads

[lyric otter]

ohhhhh

i didnt read the quests i took

[grizzled seal]

Is this mythic alleria or what

[somber sequoia]

yes

[grizzled seal]

Our paladin plays with moonkin innervate

Idk if you have another druid in

[somber sequoia]

yeah we have only me as druid and they want to give the hpala my innervate

[bright swift]

It's not needed at all

[somber sequoia]

and i said rather go mw rdruid or bench me and let the tank go guardian

[grizzled seal]

I mean you can play without one if you are good but so can paladin

[bright swift]

Exactly

[somber sequoia]

ive not seen anyone give pala innervate when a rdruid was in (vrocas log)

[grizzled seal]

Just play the game, optimizing dumb shit

Healing absorbs are a joke mechanic

[boreal karma]

I rather die then giving away my innervate

[somber sequoia]

well we had people die to it 🙂 so they wanna go druid hpala evoker priest

[bright swift]

Just dispell them if people are in danger

[somber sequoia]

yep

[boreal karma]

[grizzled seal]

Press dispel

[somber sequoia]

absorb healing

[somber sequoia]

we do

still got people dying

[grizzled seal]

If people die then you clearly don't

[somber sequoia]

[boreal karma]

Real and based

[somber sequoia]

well I said no innervate no me bench me or ill keep mine

[grizzled seal]

Absorb + mechanic is almost always a death without external or personal

[somber sequoia]

🖕

[somber sequoia]

ye

[boreal karma]

I mean just changing comp should make it easier

[somber sequoia]

i said that ya

[boreal karma]

So it’s Most likely gonna be fine with dropping one of the Priests for the best class at healing the absorbs

[grizzled seal]

SoM should go on the highest hps healer

It's not a mana tool

[boreal karma]

Even with no innervate on that pala

[grizzled seal]

Innervate does help a lot but it's not gonna make the boss easy

[somber sequoia]

we have other struggles imo but somehow the best fix is give hpala the innervate

their opinion not mine

[bright swift]

P1 is very easy to heal

[somber sequoia]

yeah think so too

[boreal karma]

How is innervate even a Debate in p1

[somber sequoia]

well we get the absorbs all fight no so

[boreal karma]

Just send all mana to get further it will adjust itself while getting more comfy

[somber sequoia]

ill have to say bye to my innervate whole fight and um no thanks

[grizzled seal]

There are no absorbs in p2

[somber sequoia]

yippie

anyway i told them no

[boreal karma]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1210794170990596187/1433101793646088292/rigby.gif

[gaunt willow]

When was that changed?!?

[bright swift]

We found out last night