resto

[fervent mica]

now that its 260 nothing deals damage

[hearty coral]

Maybe that's what I need

Mine is like 248

Think I was 242 for my first 10

[west dove]

Is it worth upgrading necks/rings over armor that isn't in one of the tier slots?

[fervent mica]

sim the options in qe

set the upgraded items as vault items so it can only pick one

[soft dagger]

the higher key i go up the more LB.RG.REJ become closer with each other. I am doing 14-15 atm and 3 of those spell do the exact same healing for my last 3 keys 😄

[gentle nova]

do u also play with a mw?

theres literally nothing u can

do

[soft dagger]

I find NB is no required in M+ but defintely very nice talent to carry. It just make some situation easier so you can do more things. 1 point in TV is enough esp if you are not in cat all the time doing dps TV lose its value abit.

[placid flax]

ya i removed it

[pastel dragon]

I do like harmonious bloom in places like WS and PoS where I want to burst heal a target with apex talent

[placid flax]

ya i take hb with 2/2 in tv

or 1 in tv with 1 in RH

[narrow monolith]

Bro I wish my co healers were like this

[gentle nova]

proof this game is too easy

imagine playing like that guy and being 7/9 mythic

how is this play a 43

62 cpm

43

trash ass game

[bright swift]

Yes but it's an alt

[gentle nova]

healers too strong raid is too weak

[wide rose]

macroing light of cosmic crescendo with convoke isn't a terrible idea right

so the convoke procs most of it

[proven phoenix]

thats a passive trinket

[thorn plover]

theres no on use on that trinket ?

🤨

[wide rose]

oh

?

[gentle nova]

hea means litany

[thorn plover]

that is litany

[wide rose]

OH litany

i hovered on it and ui was weird

and showed me the other one first

so yea macroing litany with convoke

[sand spruce]

Hey Im having an issue with the HotTracker addon, it keeps resetting its position when I move it and lock it in place. Any chance anyone knows how to fix this?

[unique frigate]

Quick question about Abundance in raiding environment: How many stacks should oyu have before you can swap from rejuv to regrowth casting? I've been trying to be capped at 12 usually when I regrowth, but in comparing logs I notice that my rejuvs are very high and regrowths are low compared to top logs. I also tend to get very low on mana towards the end of a longer mythic fight.

[worthy spindle]

Does anyone have a good addon for tracking a blood DK's runic power? I have a hard time keeping them on focus from cat weaving. Or would that be more into weakauras territory?

[gentle nova]

you want as manjy rejuvs as u can for when you are convoking/tranquing and then in between that just play around 6-8-12

[tough portal]

You want to ramp up to 12 and occasionally more than that
But you can and should stay Regrowthing while your Rejuv count dwindles below that, down to 7-8 and then you pick it back up
Juggling between 2-3 Rejuvs to maintain 12 constantly and getting 1 or 2 Regrowths in between is bad.

[unique frigate]

Gotcha. That helps. Thanks!

[tough portal]

7-8 isn't a hard set rule, Rejuving this much is more mana intensive, play it by ear with your mana ofc, you want to last the whole fight but leaving mana on the table when the boss is dead doesnt help

[minor bloom]

So what is the tradeoff between keeper of the grove and wildstalker? Why is one used for raid and the other M+

[bright swift]

Wild stalker is just much better in small groups

Because of the capstone

[drifting timber]

Can you pre stack your ToL stacks to have it shortly after pull?

[pulsar kettle]

no

[drifting timber]

@bright swift how do you have ToL so early on pull during that chim mythic video you posted?

[gentle nova]

he prestacked it

it was nerfed a week ago

or some days ago

[tough portal]

KOTG has 2 strong healing amps that affect your healing on all targets equally
Wildstalker procs with diminishing returns as you add more targets, so it's stronger at small groups, but eventually gets outpaced

[thorn plover]

myth nk

[gentle nova]

your nb seems low for that many rg casts

spread them out more

[vocal hinge]

wait, how do you tell that its low?

[gentle nova]

by looking at a lot of logs and including my own

and also by looking at the cast proportion

[thorn plover]

yeah i think i favor 1 side of my frames lol

[rustic copper]

reformed regrowth presser sometimes pressing wg

holy moly

[gentle nova]

how much hps

[rustic copper]

185k

[gentle nova]

in crown?

[rustic copper]

paladins

[gentle nova]

how is your overheal so low

[rustic copper]

our mw dced halfway through

it's definitely not low

[gentle nova]

is that the comp youre playing in all reclear

well

[rustic copper]

no

[gentle nova]

whats the comp for early bosses

[rustic copper]

comp for early bosses is who we are gearing for later bosses

we are playing rdruid mw disc pres for crown

no idea for march

one of our healers is dpsing though probably

[gentle nova]

idfk how u have that many rg casts with a lot of rejuv casts also lmao

[rustic copper]

my haste is a little lower

than last week

still rly high though

[gentle nova]

my stats are shit ig

[rustic copper]

insane defensive usage

.3 cpm

[gentle nova]

40 haste 29 mastery

[gentle nova]

oh thats not that bad actually then

[rustic copper]

better question is how many other stats

[gentle nova]

im at like 20-19

[gentle nova]

a lot

[rustic copper]

83 crit 71 vers rn

is all I have

[gentle nova]

96 crit 140 vers

[rustic copper]

every item I have equipped that is not haste/mastery has leech

[gentle nova]

so youre just not wearing 4p

[rustic copper]

no

[gentle nova]

im fucked cuz i got myth tier shoulders in vault

had to take it

[rustic copper]

cata this is a crime

[gentle nova]

yea

[fervent mica]

have 38 crit rating... is too much

[gentle nova]

thing is tho

is there a hjaste mastery gloves

i dont think so?

so its kindapointless to not wear 4p

just for the shoulders

[fervent mica]

he wants a double leech myth helm

obv

[rustic copper]

personally I think haste is better than mastery

for how I am playing

I'd much rather have h/v than c/m

mastery prob goes crazy if you are spamming rejuv and wg

[gentle nova]

it pretty minor tho

40 haste is 1% for me

[urban kestrel]

does anyone have a number on around how fat of an FR I can rip on paladins?

[rustic copper]

gloves are 80 haste

[urban kestrel]

so I know how many absorb stacks I can clear

[rustic copper]

so 2% haste vs the equivalent mastery

[urban kestrel]

I think its liek 500k

[rustic copper]

do not FR the heal absorb

[gentle nova]

this is not worth

[rustic copper]

that is a crime

[gentle nova]

its over 3 seconds

[urban kestrel]

500k healing for 3 gcds doesnt seem bad

[gentle nova]

and every tick is the same healing as a rg cast

[rustic copper]

it is bad

[urban kestrel]

I guess if you're high abund stacks its objectively bad

but if id be rejuving id hate it more

idk im usually barked there too though, do those healing multipliers stack?

or are they the same one

[rustic copper]

lb yourself, max hots, sotf rg etc.

[urban kestrel]

and you cant have both

[gentle nova]

yes but so does the rg cast on u

[rustic copper]

you are taking stonebark?

[urban kestrel]

no stonebark

just verdant heart?

w/e the one from the class tree is called

and forestwalk 2/2 of course

[gentle nova]

3 rg casts does about the same healing as the whole fr

and you just lose all the benefits of the rg casts

[urban kestrel]

copy

ty

[gentle nova]

Maybe if you cheese it

With ursine vigor and hotw

[thorn plover]

killed it finally

got nb up 3%

[gentle nova]

see

great job

[sturdy swallow]

is there a reason why reforstation does not work pre-pull stacking on some bosses.

[bright swift]

They made it not work in raids

[sturdy swallow]

oo snap okay

[gentle charm]

okay guys progging crown of the cosmos and man does it feel like this fight is just made for us?

its so fun to heal

[gentle nova]

okay i think it might be worth to do with HOTW

lmfao

how big is the absorb? im getting 200k ticks of fr, and its 4 ticks so 800k healing for 3gcd

[viscid zenith]

I got eternal void breaker neck. Anyone for us to deal shadow dps?

[rustic copper]

stop healing yourself and heal others

get reeeel

[bright swift]

Ring set from Nexus point

[viscid zenith]

Ugh

I got it in box 6/6 heroic huge for ilvl

[fervent mica]

you don't care about that proc... you care about having a neck with 4 billion haste <_<

[willow flare]

im not seeing the dispell aura on my danders raid frame on imperator, anyone else?

[proven phoenix]

do you have private auras enabled

like in general

[thorn plover]

casting it on a dead priest

[willow flare]

in general on danders?

[proven phoenix]

yeah

its just a private aura debuff so if you cant see private auras you wont be able to see it

[willow flare]

dont see that anywhere

[proven phoenix]

I'm not familiar with danders settings so I cant really help there sadly but if you use northern sky raid tools there';s an option there to anchor private aura debuffs to raid frames

[still topaz]

how many stacks of abundance do yall shoot for before regrowth spam

[cerulean shadow]

is casting lifebloom on everyone and switching between targets often without waiting for it to expire a thing?

[proven phoenix]

12 but if damage is happening and im not at 12 just send it at 7-10

below 7 you might be a bit cooked

[rustic copper]

[proven phoenix]

dont start man

I cba

[proven phoenix]

not really

[hearty coral]

I think that guy just doesn't care about abundance

Nikoni mean

[thorn plover]

feels like tree would be good on chim

[blissful apex]

new heroic saladbar log just dropped... @thorn plover my goat
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KP4TQYdyMgabWDqx?fight=22&type=healing

look at that lifebloom uptime

[thorn plover]

gj!

[rustic copper]

I have more abundance usage than anyone else in this discord server

don't think it's close

[hearty coral]

I was playing don't hurt me 😭

[soft dagger]

In M+ you can do that, in raid no. In raid I just make a macro that will cast it on myself. In M+ majority it will be on tank but you can switch it to other target for big spot heal in some specific mechanic

[cerulean shadow]

always the worst to play healers that have that aeo on ground like rdruid and rshammy, cuz no one in pugs stays in it, sad life

[soft dagger]

How much is Photosynthesis contribute to healing in M+, does anyone know?

[small wolf]

Get guys! Sorry if it's too much of a big qn but, I may have to do a last minute heal fill for my guild today for heroic cosmos raid!

I've pushed with M+ healing but have VERY rarely healed raids before.

I'm somewhat familiar with the raid mechanics as a dps, but what's the general tip for raid healing coming from M + haha?

I did cover heal a H dream rift once but it just felt very messy...

1. Debuffs are small AF??? I just can't really tell who are getting the important debuffs in my dancers frame

2. Im not sure how often I should be rejuving. Whas a good baseline abundance stack to hover at between big damage windows? I seemed to run out of mana at the tail end

3. Casting regrowth just feels weird. There's so much frames that I just don't know who I should prioritise healing during raid wide damage. I just click on a non full hp damage person and pray

4. What's a reasonable hps to hit for heroic raids?

I do get some other of the basics like SM and WG on cooldowns, and ramp rejuvs to 12 stacks before big windows tho haha...

[drifting timber]

this helped me:

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes/

[cosmic saffron]

Quick question... is reforestation a secret aura?

[small wolf]

Oooo thank you!!!

[drifting timber]

yeah GL

[sleek whale]

Is Lifebloom getting buffed in 12.0.5?

[last salmon]

My vault was terrible this is the only thing usable, should i take it or just take a socket? I dont myth raid on this character either

[sinful musk]

That was a good read thank you!

[thorn plover]

:/

tempting

[marsh prism]

idts because performance has his own means of tracking it

[thorn plover]

its secret, you can kinda track it with arcui

[marsh prism]

oh ok

[thorn plover]

you just start a timer when you lose refo buff

[marsh prism]

I didn't know how you managed whatever you have

lol

bro

[thorn plover]

but if you tranq or w/e its not accurate. its close tho

[marsh prism]

yes it's secret do not do what this guy just said

[thorn plover]

lol why not

[marsh prism]

because stacks are accurate and available on base CDM wtf are you doing

[thorn plover]

oh

stacks

i thought you meant the tree form duration

ya you can track stacks with arcui

doesnt matter if its secret

[marsh prism]

this fucking game man

I forgot duration was just fucked

[thorn plover]

ya

thats the only way i know of to track duration

credit squishes

[cosmic saffron]

🫡

[hardy canopy]

i just lost a key cus my treants pulled a patrolling pack 💀

it never occured to me that i'd have to dismiss a treant

[drifting timber]

how do i get my natures bounty higher on overall?

for raid

[thorn plover]

spread your regrowths more

[drifting timber]

damn ok, i thought i was LOL

[thorn plover]

make sure you arent hitting people who already have it

[drifting timber]

okay so dont worry about germination?

[thorn plover]

regrowths

[earnest abyss]

Can you still track raid cooldowns with something? What do people use ?

[rustic copper]

like do I just press more regrowth

regrowth doing way more healing per cast and most of my sotf are on rejuv

[gentle nova]

Well

If you just press rg you will have less mastery average

So they will do less healing

Do the math

[rustic copper]

I’m not trying to press only regrowth

Maybe shift 2 cpm more of rejuv to rg

[gentle nova]

You have to discount sotf rejuvs in that cpm

They count for 3

[rustic copper]

Does it count for 3 for regrowth too?

[gentle nova]

Yea

[rustic copper]

Ok then as far as I’m concerned I want to count it

It has to be better to cast more regrowth man

Look at that healing

[gentle nova]

But you said you dont sotf rg

[drifting timber]

do we prio rg's on Rejuv players?

[rustic copper]

I did

[clear oracle]

Does anybody know of a good DF setup for M+ that I can import? I tried to make my own but somehow with every update it breaks and either shows no debuffs, shows every debuff as dispellable etc ... I just wanna throw in the towel

[rustic copper]

Maybe 60% sotf on rejuv

I was playing insane today but we didn’t kill

[gentle nova]

I wouldnt know man

My guild killed cosmos today and im out for beloren

So i wont play for like 2 weeks

[rustic copper]

Gg

[wide rose]

are they having other healers for beloren

[rustic copper]

Beloren is a 3 heal

On mythic

[gentle nova]

Its a 3 heal

And2 disc is needed for pi

[wide rose]

oh ok i see

[rustic copper]

And most good guilds at our rank have 5

[wide rose]

yeah

so you literally dont get to raid for 2 weeks thats wild

[rustic copper]

It is what it is

[gentle nova]

Yup

Its chill tho i get to do stuff

Irl

[wide rose]

little vacation mid tier

[rustic copper]

We have a good player who got a ton of gear but we decided warrior is bad so they get bench

Shit happens

[gentle nova]

And then i degen on lura

[rustic copper]

Brother is like 282

[gentle nova]

We will do 2 discs 1 mw

2 discs for the pis on the egg, and the mw is very good

[rustic copper]

Is rdruid actually bad on that fight

[gentle nova]

So dont really need me

[rustic copper]

Also did you vantus crown?

[gentle nova]

I think its similar to the mw

Yea

[rustic copper]

Ok so beloren is unkillable

We did too

[gentle nova]

Yup

[rustic copper]

I don’t like vantus being this strong

It feels like if you don’t have vantus there’s no point even

[gentle nova]

Especially on the egg burn

Its true

[rustic copper]

We were doing pre nerf paladins without vantus

feels so unplayable

[gentle nova]

Yeah i also think its shit

I want an rdruid tier

So i just get to be perma in

It feels like it will never happen with how they redesigned it

Maybe we get an op set next tier

[rustic copper]

You joined a guild too good for you to always be in

[gentle nova]

Im afraid thats the case

I havent got to play yet tho so we will soon know

Well i did reclear but i literally had 60% overheal

[inner sonnet]

is the grid2 profile on dreamgrove.gg up to date?

[gentle nova]

I was aiming lower anyway so i could play more chill

But i realized getting a healer spot is literally impossible

Everyone and their moms play healers

[uneven narwhal]

Hey can someone explain to me the different cooldown builds that are common for resto druid?
Do you always run tranq/convoke/tree of life and what are their cooldowns / are the talents that interact with it?
Raid lead here looking for pro tree advice

[grand herald]

for raid you always run tranq with flourish

convoke and tol have different uses depending on the boss / on preference

[uneven narwhal]

oh I see

and you push flourish right after you tranq?

[gentle nova]

Only thing you need to know is that rdruid is a cooldown based healer, so you cant really assign the cooldowns or you just fuck the player over. If thats what you mean by coming in here

You want to press them as soon as possible as they are up

[grand herald]

convoke adds some nice burst on a small cd, ToL adds a decent amount of general thoroughput, mobility, and mana save

[gentle nova]

Flourish is baked int tranq now

[inner sonnet]

It's built into Tranq when you pick the talent

[uneven narwhal]

oh its no longer a button

the tree I know is gone 🙁

[gentle nova]

Druid is a very flat healer so you should expect that

It does steady hps for the whole fight except in the tranq windows where it can do a bit more

[inner sonnet]

yes but you wouldnt hold it for just upheaval

send on cooldown pretty much

[gentle nova]

You dont hold convoke more than a couple seconds

We are very good at fights with steady damage like that because of what i said, we have a steady healing profile compared to other healers

Unfort the raid only has a couple of those fights

[rustic copper]

I was also aiming lower

Only reason I am in melee mechanics is because Acro needed a healer

[gentle nova]

But youre good anyway so

[rustic copper]

3-4 day chill raids wr 100 is about right

[uneven narwhal]

so it looks like 3 min with flourish. 2.5 min without but you guys really hate going 2.5 min tranq, and then you choose 1 min / 2 min convoke or 3 min tree.

[gentle nova]

I just want hof

Like 150

3 day

Would be bis

[rustic copper]

HoF you mean 400

[gentle nova]

No real hof

I mean im here now so ill try my best

[rustic copper]

Time to stop standing in Ansurek poison

[gentle nova]

Im in for lura

[rustic copper]

Lock in

[gentle nova]

Yes

[gentle nova]

I could keep doing that in wr150

[rustic copper]

Don’t check paladins hammer dmg

[gentle nova]

😹

Bro ansurek was wild

I put RH on me the whole intermission since it was being wasted

Peak

[rustic copper]

wtf

Straight to jail

[gentle nova]

RH in poison

[thorn plover]

chim was fun

idk why we waited a week to pull it

easy

[rustic copper]

Chim needs to do 50% more dmg

I’m ngl

[gentle nova]

Yeah its fun until you get all the madness

Why does it have to stun you for 5 seconds

[rustic copper]

Who thought it was a good idea to make healers get this mechanic btw

[thorn plover]

MAN I GOT IT LIKE EVERY TIME

[gentle nova]

It literally breaks ur parse

[thorn plover]

holy pally got it like 2 times in all our pulls

[rustic copper]

Can’t wait for post turbo boost

This is going to be the easiest boss in wow history

People are going to 3 heal and kill it before intermission

And everyone and their mother will have gaze

[gentle nova]

Prolly 2 heal it with 2 druids

[rustic copper]

I think stunning your only healer might be a bit sus

[gentle nova]

Why does it stun man

[rustic copper]

You get the mechanic to swap sides

[gentle nova]

Lmao i know im just complaining

[rustic copper]

Did you split chim

[gentle nova]

Ye

[rustic copper]

I think we should’ve split it 3 times

Why even prog

[gentle nova]

Literally no reason to not split that shit

[rustic copper]

Might be worth to split voidspire too

[gentle nova]

Theyll probably nerf the bird more

[rustic copper]

Next week we vantus beloren and kill it

What else do we do for the rest of the week

[gentle nova]

Also next week is the raid buff

[rustic copper]

True

No need to nerf bird for a while

Then

[solar hollow]

which gem is best after using an indecipherable eversong diamond? Flawless Masterful Peridot or Flawless Quick Amethyst?

[thorn plover]

.5 out in 2 weeks?

[rustic copper]

No shot 2 weeks

[gentle nova]

The haste
Mastery one 😹

[gentle nova]

Maybe 3

[thorn plover]

Void forge thing is done in 2 weeks isnt it

[gentle nova]

Wtf is that

For the coins?

So .5 is turbo boost?

Ainnnoway its 2 weeks then

[thorn plover]

thats the turbo boost thing

[rustic copper]

I’m going to be insanely powerful in .5

[inner sonnet]

hide&seek in .5

[rustic copper]

Can’t wait

[thorn plover]

our apex is still broken af on ptr

[gentle nova]

Is it really that good

It will only proc on a swiftmend lol

In raid

Unless you give up 30k hps for photo

[rustic copper]

Drop reforest and 2 min convoke for liveliness photo

[gentle nova]

Play convokeless

Cooldownless

[rustic copper]

Yes man

I am cooldown less

Rwf is playing tree man

70% uptime

Flattest healing profile possible

[gentle nova]

Lmao

[rustic copper]

It’s good

[thorn plover]

its just broken, once they fix it maybe not

[gentle nova]

Explain

[thorn plover]

it does full healing to everyone right now, its not reducing beyond 5 targets

[gentle nova]

So it will hit everyone for 15k

[rustic copper]

I’m going to play the same way I currently do and gain 20% hps

And everyone else will not know how to play the good build

[gentle nova]

I will cause ill be dming you

[rustic copper]

I’ll sell you log access

[gentle nova]

Brah

[rustic copper]

[gentle nova]

How much does a lb bloom hit for

[thorn plover]

just under 16k

so basically 10k to everyone

[gentle nova]

And everbloom 2/3 is being changed to how much %?

[gentle nova]

Photo is gonna be broken as fuck

[thorn plover]

yah

[gentle nova]

Ok so wtf do u drop

[rustic copper]

Yeah so you photo max and then what do you do with the rest of your gds

[gentle nova]

You need 2 tv and bounty

[rustic copper]

Spoiler: press regrowth

[gentle nova]

Play no convoke

😹

[rustic copper]

My build minus improved convoke minus reforest

[thorn plover]

drop livliness/ms

[gentle nova]

Is 2 min convoke even better than refo

[rustic copper]

And talent photo how

[thorn plover]

embrace

[gentle nova]

You cant drop those

[rustic copper]

Idk

[thorn plover]

oh we need apex

durp

[gentle nova]

Man this talent tree is gonna become so bad

Imagine dropping your cooldown

[rustic copper]

What cooldown man

Have you seen our hps graphs

[gentle nova]

Yeah it doesnt really feel like a cooldown

[rustic copper]

What burst

We are not burst healers anymore old man

It’s not 2019

[gentle nova]

I want old flourish back

[rustic copper]

Yeah

[gentle nova]

Oh wait

You cant get bounty without convoke

Gg

[rustic copper]

lol

So there is 1 build that takes apex and photo

[thorn plover]

3/4 apex

[gentle nova]

Yea

[rustic copper]

0 other options

[rustic copper]

Isn’t the last one the op one

Can you get reel

[thorn plover]

not after the change

[rustic copper]

What is 4th

[gentle nova]

The last one will heal for 50k to everyone when you sm

[plain steeple]

Ofc it is

[thorn plover]

does the blooming frenzy count as a final bloom

[plain steeple]

Sure

[gentle nova]

Yes

[plain steeple]

Should be less due to scaling beyond 5ppl.

[gentle nova]

Its bugged rn and not scaling

But sure 50k to 5 ppl

[plain steeple]

[thorn plover]

im sure it doesnt go live like that

[gentle nova]

And then whatever the fuck to the others

[plain steeple]

Ok if that stays bugged I will do 200k hps with apex alone, lol.

They will fix it very quick.

[rustic copper]

Yeah that’s not staying

But it’s op still

Especially with sqrt

Which I think is likely

[plain steeple]

It is completely overpowered right now.

[rustic copper]

Ptr

[plain steeple]

But I really like it that way. I will play prosperity and have it my own small CD.

[gentle nova]

I was hyped it wouldve proced off convoke

[plain steeple]

Sadly doesn’t work with Everbloom currently.

[thorn plover]

cant even test it properly on ptr

they have story mode raids disabled

[unique frigate]

Is there a way to track Reforestation Incarn buff on the cdm? Rn i can't track incarn unless it's talented, and when I tried to manually add it I got a message saying the spell id doesn't exist. :/

[thorn plover]

no

you can kinda with arcui tho

[unique frigate]

Boo. That sucks.

Don't really want to change my whole ui to track one buff. :/

[rustic copper]

I heard that doesn’t even work with cancelaura

[plain steeple]

It doesn’t really matter anyways.
You would not change the playstyle of your SM for refo.

[rustic copper]

Yes you would lol

Post your raid prog

[plain steeple]

Killed only the first boss. 🤷‍♂️

[rustic copper]

Like just for starters

Have you ever casted a wg with tree active and it ended before it went off

[plain steeple]

But the only thing you can do is using cancelaura.

[rustic copper]

I change my stuff so often man

Especially with convoke rng resetting your sm

[thorn plover]

no it doesnt work

or with tranq

[lyric surge]

Yhea if you cancelaura, it pops the bar up

I jus tlive it with it cuz I do'nt wanna cancelaura anyway ><

[thorn plover]

^

[gentle nova]

Ive been wanting to cancelaura some bosses

But also with the new apex build it wont matter

[half timber]

back from the question no yesterday, i heard that you can apparently show private debuffs on the raid/party frame on Dandersframes. How exactly do you set that up and where can I find that?

[thorn plover]

Aura filters, change from direct API to blizzard

But that functionality is going away in 12.0.5 or sooner 🤷‍♂️

[half timber]

Oh okay I see

[graceful belfry]

Hii in the past I used to do mostly HC raid pugs. I would like to try my hands on a few mythic bosses this tier. Is the jump in difficulty between the last HC bosses and the first few mythic bosses very large?

[rustic copper]

Lura is much harder than crown

Mythic early bosses are going to be mechanically easier than lura but numerically much harder so

[balmy spire]

we play this with 0.5 ?

[graceful belfry]

Ty Niko!

[proven phoenix]

there is no chance anyone is playing 3/4 apex

[balmy spire]

we need rampant growth, dont we?

[lyric surge]

anyone know face's toon's name?

[gentle nova]

That

[balmy spire]

we could really start to snipe heals with the apex changes...^^

[gentle nova]

[boreal karma]

What’s the apex changes

[limpid jacinth]

butt2butt

[lyric surge]

really? XD

[gentle nova]

2 and 3 are now 60% splash on bloom only

But on everyone

Reduced after 5 players

[limpid jacinth]

Nah, I’m just dumb and snarky

[boreal karma]

But does that bring back apex for raid

I guess it does?

[gentle nova]

Probably yeah

[boreal karma]

0.5 should be soonish right

[gentle nova]

With photo, its gonna be pretty op i think

A month at most i give it

[boreal karma]

I mean it’s a good change they introduce apex as the thing in Midnight and some specs don’t play it

[gentle nova]

Yeah i agree

Or just rework it completely to another shit

Lifebloom pick is so weird

Why not just rejuv

[boreal karma]

True

They also buff embrace in 0.5 or?

[gentle nova]

Nah

[boreal karma]

Ah

[rustic coyote]

It is sad that we have to give up on WG talents, set bonus looks not so amazing for us.

[gentle nova]

Most tier sets are weak this season

[boreal karma]

Nah it doesn’t do that much

The wg talents

It’s legit whatever

We just pick best % gain and our current set is kinda boring

[frozen prairie]

[lofty zinc]

Happy for everything that doesn't force me to use reforestation/ToL. It's just doesn't give me the right tingles in my brain. That said as I'm forced to play tree on paladin boss rn. What's the real diff on tree vs convoke on that fight?

[neat dust]

for raid right?

[gentle nova]

Thats a potential build for next patch

[frozen prairie]

@lyric surge Taylorswift-Moonrunner

[neat dust]

why dont play the cenarius guidance? there is a reason?

[bronze meadow]

does ND change thriving's healing or

[gentle nova]

Theorycrafting phosy could be (and probably is) with new apex changes

Theres no points to pick everything

[neat dust]

okok!

[sudden junco]

I should generally try to remember to turn into bear for timed damage mechanics right? Like soaks and such

Or is that unnecessary hassle and shouldn't be bothered with unless i really want to min max damage taken

[gentle nova]

Depends if you will die if you dont bear or not

Else its a wasted global

[lyric surge]

[frozen prairie]

yw

[sudden junco]

Gotcha, yeah kinda thought it would be

can spend that global healing

[gentle nova]

I see bearing being necessary in some bosses as the keys go up

Like idk

First boss magister

The knockback will probably oneshot in 25s or shit like that

[sudden junco]

Yee

I'll keep it in mind that it's a tool i can use in desperate situations but shouldn't be used for funsies

[bronze meadow]

anyone know?

[gentle nova]

It does iirc

[sudden junco]

Sorry nope

[gentle nova]

But honestly i tested that thing 3 tiers ago

[bronze meadow]

7,530heals without it, 8310 with the talent

weird

[gentle nova]

Its not weird, thats how its supposed to work lol

[bronze meadow]

well you could guess it could work both ways, "when your rejuv heals a full heath target, it's duration is increased"

"rejuv instantly heals your target" could of gone out before the rejuv ticks

[gentle nova]

Read the whole line in tv

It says for 30% of the total duration

[hybrid elk]

I can craft 2 more items. 1 more item with embellishment. Wowhead says chest piece but not sure if its worth it.

[gentle nova]

Nd increases total duration

[gentle nova]

Mythic weapon

[fervent mica]

you mean weapon

[gentle nova]

Idk what you did but thats pretty fucked up

Unlucky

[hybrid elk]

What should i put on the weapon? 🙂

[gentle nova]

Wdym

Embelish?

Hunt

[hybrid elk]

yeah

[gentle nova]

Cant really change the past i guess

Your next craft after weapon should be chest

Unless you get a myth chest in vault

[austere cairn]

How do people have 4set already? it dropped on raid is it? because with the manaflux catalyst I was only able to get 3 pieces so far

[hybrid elk]

I crafted bracers because wow head told me 😛

[fervent mica]

vault/lfr/raid

[gentle nova]

Yeah

[fervent mica]

were you looking at last expansion?

[austere cairn]

Unlucky me I guess 🙁

[gentle nova]

Pretty sure wowhead says weapon first

[hybrid elk]

no, current. It says 2 items to craft. Chest and bracers?

[raven mason]

brother u craft staff on every caster since ever

[hybrid elk]

Thats early crafts

look at best in slot

[fervent mica]

so you just skipped the part

where its early

[hybrid elk]

yeah

[fervent mica]

and you don't have a myth track weapon

[austere cairn]

that's crazy

[fervent mica]

the "bis" is when you have myth track in every other slot

[hybrid elk]

right but i can create the weapon already no as well as bracers

i have 6 sparks

[gentle nova]

You should never look at bis in week 3 man

[hybrid elk]

plus i got hero weapon early on hehe

[gentle nova]

You craft early what gives you the most power early

That is high budget gear

Highest budget gear is weapon

[austere cairn]

I wish I could use my 6 sparks, no gold for the materials 🙁 lmao

[shrewd jay]

Btw what to do with Sparks, when you already crafted your 2 items ?

[balmy spire]

there are 4 items to craft

weap/belt/bracer/boots

[gentle nova]

wrong

[shrewd jay]

You can wear only two no ?

[gentle nova]

weapon, chest, neck and then belt boots

[shrewd jay]

Wait.
I should craft 4 Items ?

[gentle nova]

you can craft as many as u want

u can only wear 2 embelishments

but u can craft without em

[shrewd jay]

I know but I can have only two embelishment.

[gentle nova]

and?

dont put embelishments on the rest

[balmy spire]

there are no good boots with haste/mastery

[shrewd jay]

Still have the Ilvl 285 ?

[gentle nova]

yes

[balmy spire]

so you will craft those also if needed more mastery

[fervent mica]

sure there are... they're just boes

[balmy spire]

true

[narrow ruin]

3mil for Mythic haste mastery

[willow furnace]

guys does Nature's Swiftness still empower all our regrowths inside convoke ?

[fervent mica]

yup

[willow furnace]

ty ❤️

[gentle nova]

no

catalyst/first boss boots are fine early.

and so is chimaerus belt, and its pretty easy to get

You want early power. Crafting should be weapon-chest-and then a neck

there arent good necks in the game other than alleria neck

and u arent getting that ever

[junior ginkgo]

Hi everyone, need your help with the vault please. I'm in two minds and i just want to make sure i make the right decision. Vault wasn't fantastic but for resto, what is best value here?

Mythic boots the way to go?

would really appreciate the help

[gentle nova]

rough vault

but yeah id go myth boots

what are the stats on those

You can cata em for high haste boots

[lyric surge]

vers mast

[gentle nova]

thats decent

Everything else is useless, the neck is cool but

[junior ginkgo]

QE is telling me the neck

but i guess it purely because of the stats

[gentle nova]

sure but QE just evaluate whats best for you now with the gear you currently have

theres a high chance we craft neck next week imo, too

[junior ginkgo]

OK thanks! boots drop from first boss Mythic so i'll hold on to see if i can get those and catalyst

[random basin]

Whos are the best gamers to give link and life blooms to in a raid?

[vocal sage]

I lb myself

[random basin]

gotcha, eflo only heals 3 people at a time right? is it ever turbo troll to LB tanks? My groups one is like on brink always

[fading terrace]

Hey, anyone know why in danders frames, symbiotic relationship is giving me such grief? I can't blacklist it nor aura designer it

[hybrid tangle]

(Aura Designer) Temporarily disabled Symbiotic Relationship target tracking due to a WoW API issue. Restoration Druids will lose this indicator until it can be reworked

[frozen stump]

Hey Guys, when u play M+ or Raid how many stacks Are usefule ? And LB on Tank ?

[fading terrace]

Ah, thank you!

[open flax]

Guess i got lucky with a hero haste/mastery neck from rag quest😅

[radiant narwhal]

where is my favourite OCE resto druid

@marsh prism are convoke and tree the same rough hps and just personal preference??

I played rdruid in LoU and we just convoked ramp so

[boreal karma]

It’s fight dependant

[marsh prism]

what naenia said

can play pretty much the same or kind of not it's a little different since sotf is different

keep lb up and swiftmend and wg on cd

[radiant narwhal]

Wahoo

Zoning into H tonight with 145 ilvl

[urban kestrel]

convoke is a little bit more throughput, when you might want it, and tree is a LOT more mobility

but convoke also isnt substantial enough to actually heal a raid mechanic so it really just is a bit of preference

also incarn makes you feel bad when you take MS or innervate cause you really just barely shouldnt need it

[charred osprey]

m+ question, how do i do an emergency heal if natures swiftness is on cd

[small gulch]

Man I hate casting wild growth so much

[uncut mica]

Swiftmend and regrowth

[balmy spire]

everytime i try to cast wg it makes me feel like a little lag or delay until cast goes through dunno

[grave zephyr]

Good morning guys 🙂 what would you choose in vault? myth hands tier or hero trinket? QE tells me to choose trinket but idk, myth hands with avoidance is huge??? for m+ mostly

[honest cypress]

Hi there, is anyone using Cell for their party/raid frames? I cant get Dispells to Appear properly

[river holly]

Isn't crucible the one we get free??

[grave zephyr]

It's hidden in the image haahaha sorry, the left one is vault one

[honest cypress]

If not, what party/raid frames are you guys using?

[grave zephyr]

I'm using grid2, didn't like DandersFrames

[river holly]

Fuck me sorry lol. So if you don't have 4 set and don't have a catalyst then arguably myth gloves are better but as they say ... Follow the SIM

[green shard]

A tip is when you import the simc string you press upgrade equipped gear to max in the left hand corner on QE and you will get a better comparison

[marsh prism]

zoning into farm with this

[grave zephyr]

Yeah 😄 that's a huge one, I did that but the result is the same. Idk what to pick because in my mind I can farm hero trinkets but not myth hands? If I choose hands is 0.4% less than trinket, but maybe is a better long-term upgrade

correct me if I'm wrong 😳

[green shard]

I’d suggest to go for the mythic hands, you can farm the trinket from windrunners that’s equal to the one you got in vault

[radiant narwhal]

sheeeeeeeesh

[marsh prism]

you know it baby

i feel it

warbound heroic gays

[radiant narwhal]

okay what spells do I need to track on frames

lb/rejuv/regrowth/wg?

[marsh prism]

for raid lb will be on you so as long as you have some way to keep that up it can be anywhere

[onyx trail]

heroic gays?

[radiant narwhal]

yeah im just tracking on buffs

[marsh prism]

but yeah

[polar steppe]

hi friends drood 🙂 do you know why many resto play with this ? isn't crit "bad" for us ?

[eternal bough]

hello
For Symbiotic relationship in M+, do you guys put it on the tank only or do you put it on squishy people like a hunter?

[gaunt willow]

Tank unless DK then usually a squishy dps for me

[true laurel]

Is there a reason dander frames dont show certain targets that need dispells?

or is it a private aura thing

[gentle nova]

very interactive gameplay

[spark river]

i mean wasnt this the same case in tww

[gentle nova]

not as bad

cause u needed 12 rejuvs

now u dont

[deft oar]

Don't you cook your mana with less rejuvs or

[gentle nova]

no

the other way around

[deft oar]

Is this the tech

[gentle nova]

yes this is worse than wildwood roots

[deft oar]

I griefed our paladins kill so hard NGL

[gentle nova]

my fucking nb

is so high

rejuv a bit too high i think now

[spark river]

i swear i cant maintain abundance with that many rejuvs

[true laurel]

what build is this with 😄

[deft oar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n2yBvjKXGThpcJfN?fight=38&type=healing&source=55

I need to do more regrowthmaxxing, thoughts? @gentle nova

[spark river]

same build, you just play regrowth oriented

[gentle nova]

yeah you are playing like an aberrus druid

thats why you need 4 wrath cpm

[true laurel]

ok damn.

[spark river]

i ve been getting slightly more regrowths than rejuvs and its kinda comfortable, but i have no idea how would i even do 3x regrowths

[gentle nova]

this spec is literally so useless

like i feel so useless

i just

maintain the raid hp

but i cant top it

ever lmao

[flint void]

hey, dumb question... could anyone check what i'm practically doing wrong?
compared to TWW i feel like i cannot get the throughput and things i want out of rdruid anymore.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jLwtKPB7hk4Z2DTJ?fight=last&type=healing

[gentle nova]

like we do good overall hps but its just dogshit ticks spread across 20 players

[flint void]

and i cannot hide behind that my stats are a absolute mess, because it's not as terrible no more

like compared to TWW it feels like my spells are missing the oomph they had

and it feels laughable compared to my mw monk where i sleep through dungeons

[spark river]

druid is stronger than monk in keys

where do you struggle with throughput

[flint void]

in-general, i have my hots running, but whenever big chunks of damage comes in, i'm at like 8-9 stacks of abundance and still my regrowths are just flacid where i need to use 3-4 on each player in a row before any healing happens

[spark river]

Abundance doesnt matter that much in keys

[gentle nova]

idk i feel like ur casting too much rejuv

that was the first pull in spire

and its a big hps pull

[spark river]

Most of your healing will come from everbloom when you consume it with rejuv/regrowth

also use a wg before you convoke

[deft oar]

Utilise sotf regrowth

That shit op af in keys

[spark river]

Thats actually poor play

You should never sotf regrowth unless you re forced to by big damage

[flint void]

that was not the specific pull, i mained this through all of manaforge and from subjective experience it's like the relative healing throughput is like 25% of what i expect it to be

[thorn whale]

Sooo that's not poor play then

just situational

[spark river]

sotf rejuvs heal a lot with everbloom and also conserve more mana

[gentle nova]

manaforge

xd

in manaforge tier set did 40%+ hps

and it was all passive

[spark river]

Well it is when you should be sotf rejuving 95% of the time and you spend it on regrowth instead

[thorn whale]

sotf + ns RG

[balmy spire]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RDGzpTNmMFan9L7y?fight=3&type=healing&pull=1&source=1

[thorn whale]

goes hrad

[balmy spire]

thats my first pull

[gentle nova]

yeah honestly that looks better

[deft oar]

Which can happen a lot in keys

[flint void]

i know my substats are still fucked by a little bit, but even in raid scenarios, i ramp up and it doesn't pack the oomph it's supposed to

[gentle nova]

youre just not playing right

[balmy spire]

pre hot

and spam regrowth

if dmg spikes, sw and rg

[gentle nova]

thats you

[flint void]

I know to pre-hot, setup a flourish ramp and execute on a flourish ramp planned into cooldowns regarding damage spikes

[gentle nova]

thats that dude

granted the wrath casts are a bit sus

[thorn whale]

O.O

[gentle nova]

thats what you should be doing roughly

[spark river]

a flourish ramp in keys?

[flint void]

not speaking of keys for the flourish ramps, that's in raid scenarios

[balmy spire]

had time to cast some wraths out of the bubble 😛

[flint void]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CwfpqQN9RcGmh48Y?fight=23&type=healing

[gentle nova]

this is all just wrong btw

[spark river]

I mean 13 regrowths

[spark river]

What do you expect lol

[flint void]

i was pulling 10m hps last tier with "all just wrong" than

[spark river]

yeah

[gentle nova]

you have 35% uptime on lb, you lose 2 swiftmends per minute

[spark river]

you re playing poorly

[gentle nova]

i told you

last tier

the tier set did 40% of your hps and it was passive

you cast bnasically 0 regrowths

which is 40% of your hps

[spark river]

Zero regrowths, 2.4 cpm on swiftmend, 36% lb uptime

All of that is very very wrong

Read the common mistakes pin

[gentle nova]

so we just lying now

[spark river]

You were at 16% mana at 2 30

in the fight

[gentle nova]

you were actually playing better last tier

lol

that was from your last tier kills

granted you had WWR but still

[spark river]

rapid fire regrowths

cant count man

[gentle nova]

ok but it wont go from 3 to 16

[spark river]

true

Its kinda weird that he just slams rejuv now

The ramp didnt change much from tww

[gentle nova]

thats cause everyone is playing wrong

and im seeing the vision

[deft oar]

Question, I played disc before and it was kinda clear when you were in ramp Vs not in ramp. Now coming to resto it feels like you can always just be in ramp. You get rejuvs out, spam some regrowths until you drop stacks of abundance to a low enough amount, and then you just repeat? Or are there times you need to recognise where you don't start another rejuv ramp?

[gentle nova]

this was just so dumb

lmao

[flint void]

FWIW, i normally heavily plan with a timeline to setup ramps and execute them, something i have not yet done this tier.

[gentle nova]

yeah let symbiotic bloom (a passive proc hot) be my top healing

nice design blizz

[balmy spire]

your logs from last tier were showing you played also wrong on last tier...^^

[spark river]

That doesnt change your play

[gentle nova]

idont think the correct play is ramping now

its just cycling

[spark river]

Yeah its more of a cycle

[gentle nova]

and thus

your hps is flat

[deft oar]

What do you mean by cycling sorry

[gentle nova]

it doesnt have highs or lows

couple rejuvs, couple rgs

[balmy spire]

we wont spike on hps through a ramp

[gentle nova]

repeat forever

[balmy spire]

we got steady hps

[deft oar]

Do you have a specific log you can show just so I can see what it's like?

[spark river]

Any top log should be like that

[polar lichen]

ive never healed a (modern) raid. do you just go down the list giving everybody a rejuv? do you pick a group or two to keep rejuvd and let other healers handle the other groups?

[gentle nova]

they arent

ive seen top logs have 28 rejuv cpm and 10 rg cpm

top logs mean jackshit its just

who has the better healing comp for you to heal more

[spark river]

Sounds like a tree log

[deft oar]

Does the "cycle" playstyle happen less with tree? Do you rejuv more?

[gentle nova]

by all means this is just my opinion but i think niko is right

and if you are gonna play this way you play convoke

because convoke gives you free rejuvs

[spark river]

yeah

[gentle nova]

so you just perma spam rg

[spark river]

i like this playstyle

I do have to learn it tho

[thorn whale]

I'm not sold

[meager pasture]

Pretty much, you spam rejuv on different people and when you reach 12 abundance stacks you continue the same with regrowth.

[thorn whale]

I need to see a log before I believe it

[gentle nova]

hard because

[spark river]

surely niko shows the full logs after prog

[polar lichen]

once your dishing out regrowths is it just whack-a-mole, trying to snipe the lowest-health people asap? i have like no intuition for damage patterns in raid but healing raidwide damage with single target spells sounds so scary

[gentle nova]

every druid in here that is doing mythic raid is just playing the same way they have been for 10 years

[thorn whale]

That kinda defeats the purpose of private logging

[gentle nova]

like

this is a chimaerus 100 parse

[thorn whale]

WG op

[gentle nova]

must be nice

[thorn whale]

sure is

[soft dagger]

one thing about druid raid healing is you need to anticipate the raid damage, otherwise your healing will suffer greatly. But once you have learnt the timing its quite satisfying to watch.

[meager pasture]

You have to see it more as a set up. You need to wild growth/swiftmend/ToL on cd, you rejuv until you reach around 12 stacks of abundance and you regrowth until you fall down to 6 stacks and then you rejuv again while keeping your spells on cd

[polar lichen]

i guess i also have zero intuition what damage patterns look like lol

[thorn whale]

idk press buttons do healing

spec is hard to play but once you get the fundamentals down

[soft dagger]

its just experience, you will get it.

[polar lichen]

i have a vague idea from reading along here that you used to have like a schedule that says you gotta have x rejuvs running by this point of time in the raid and then everybody explodes and you regrowth them back together

[thorn whale]

Nope

[soft dagger]

if everyone explode its time to use your big cd, WG/NS/Convoke/Tol/Tranquil

[meager pasture]

No you don't care about that, you need to see it as a rhythm.

[tough portal]

We used to have spikier cd windows and the Abundance loop was less important for mana management.
Now you cycle between those modes a lot more often cuz you need it for longevity. Regrowths are free.
If you're ramping into a more demanding damage event, you can and should ramp more than 12 Rejuvs as your mana allows it.

[stone orbit]

hi any reason to craft 2h staff over mace?

[tough portal]

No

[paper harbor]

When we say rejuv to 12 and spam regrowth, do we spam regrowth even if no damage since it’s free?

[tough portal]

Yes

[paper harbor]

Like, just get the regrowth hot in?

[tough portal]

If theres just no damage rn but there will be in 5 more seconds ofc feel free to Rejuv more until then

But this is mana management

[boreal karma]

You’ve played with shit heads all the time how can you judge about that

Also if Mana is whatever you can still play the old playstyle

And Most early Bosses are free on mana

[distant birch]

Im always oom

[gentle nova]

I miss it

I dont like when all of us parse 50

[woven vessel]

i've been sort of doing mythic+ with grovekeeper, just been sorta lazy cause im more used to it from raiding with it, and its been fine but Ive been seeing a bunch of people saying I should switch to wildstalker for mythic+

[polar lichen]

they probably say that because of whats in the guides

[woven vessel]

can anyone give me a like tldr on why its better?

im seeing a bunch of guides saying it but im not really seeing any with a good explaination, im guessing its damage but would like to be a bit more confident in the "why" of it

[median marsh]

Any log without a pres and a disc should be instantly invalidated

[spark river]

Wildstalker heals more in smaller groups

We dont care that much about the damage

Its nice, but not something that will break your key

[ornate stratus]

Which one is better max upgrated for m+ ?

[woven vessel]

does it require the cat weaving to push the healing too? I gotta say I try to cat weave but on the harder ones often Im just spamming the heals

[marsh prism]

no

[spark river]

Sim it

[radiant narwhal]

holy

nance look at this shit

first boss of H

im gaming

[marsh prism]

bro

WG

[woven vessel]

alright nice, just go wildstalker and give it a go then cheers. I was trying to use grovekeeper hots/treents to keep the healing going so I can catwave but maybe just screw that and give it a go

[spark river]

Playstyle is the same

[radiant narwhal]

they hit everyone but just did 0 healing cause we have 3 mains in the run

[woven vessel]

sweet sounds a plan then

[median marsh]

What I’d give to have that healing comp

Swapped to RDruid and we instantly recruit a Disc and a Pres despite having neither for 4 tiers

[thorn whale]

I’m swapping monk next week

And one of the healers go rdruid

So heal comp a bit fixed atleast

[median marsh]

MW just as good at stealing the heals

Pretty much all smart heals

[thorn whale]

Yeah

Idk I’m playing mw all wrong rn but it will be fine next week

Or, all wrong is not correct but

My CPM is lower than it should be

[median marsh]

Since they removed all the healing amps, it’s much easier to play at the highest level

[thorn whale]

Yeah I can tell

Yu’lon feels weird

That I have to kick that much

[median marsh]

Chilling with RWK, before you’d chase Chi Harmony, Mending Prolif and Enveloping Mist with Vivifys, now all that’s gone you just Vivify an injured target, press RWK and ReM on CD

Orange parse completed

[thorn whale]

And make sure you have a good shaohaos lined up too

It feels easy to play indeed

[grizzled seal]

[thorn whale]

Idk how to find middle ground

Cause also if you have my healer setup

I feel like I have to do everything

Which is also not fun

[gentle nova]

Pres is not the problem

Its mw

[gentle nova]

This is so dogshit

[median marsh]

Tbf true