resto

[main timber]

Crafts must feel like such a mess if you're a new player

[wide rose]

its fucking ass dude

[main timber]

"Craft chest now, but then replace it with Wrists later"

[wide rose]

in ff i just go AH my entire set when i get back to the game

and i can raid

thats it

[main timber]

Craft a weapon, but only with Myth track crests

[wide rose]

it costs 1h worth of gil grind

and you can just do the content you actually wana do

[main timber]

That's good but we must stop mentioning FF every second sentence

[wide rose]

I KNOWWW

im sorry

[tough portal]

If FF was that good you'd be playing FF fr

The gearing process is the game in wow

[wide rose]

its just like

[tough portal]

Spending 1h and being maxed out in gear would kill the playerbase

[gentle nova]

Thats ass

[main timber]

This also sounds terrible fwiw. Just in the opposite way

[wide rose]

it is

[main timber]

WoW is convoluted but you do feel stronger every week

[gentle nova]

I wanna have the feeling of my char getting stronger

[rustic copper]

I was almost forced to take gloves instead of myth h/m shoulders from my vault last night it was scary

[wide rose]

i dont want to be annoying with it but its very difficult for me to adapt in some ways lol
and i dont think either are the better games

im playing wow because im bored of ff healing for the most part

[gentle nova]

But also if healers get stronger the game turns to ass

😹

[wide rose]

thats fair too

[wide rose]

i meant that as a "im fucking confused" not "i want wow to be like" this fwiw

[main timber]

Sure

[wide rose]

i appreciate the excitement of getting a gear piece in wow

[main timber]

I think WoW is kind of moving in the right direction but there are still a lot of little things that aren't obvious until you have played a season

[blissful lion]

i finally passed 1000 in M+ !!

[wide rose]

its way fucking better than last time i tried it in ShL

thats for fucking sure

[reef zenith]

At this point I’m willing to accept them not breaking my UI for a week and we can go from there

[main timber]

Gear was simpler in Shadowlands but everything else was worse

[wide rose]

last time i played in ShL my faction quest broke so my progression got bricked

and support didn't help

so i quit

[reef zenith]

S1 m+ wasn’t horrible actually

[main timber]

I hated it tbh. It was full "healer dps" mode

Good raid season though

[pulsar kettle]

tank kite meta was awful

[gentle nova]

Sinful season was cool for pvp and raid

[main timber]

Also you couldn't swap Covenant between raid and M+ yet

[reef zenith]

I enjoyed the dps meta. Kiting was…kinda meh but acceptable. Affix was great apart from pugging it and randomly bricking keys from ass pulls

[pulsar kettle]

s1 m+ was genuinely dog man

[tough portal]

SL just had some of the worst M+ dungeons of all time

[main timber]

Honestly this current season seems quite good in my opinion. Only issues are scaling (20s week 2 not ideal) and healer DPS is a bit too low

[grand herald]

Though does scaling on an infinitely scaling system matter that much

Other than the rewards being more accessible

[reef zenith]

A bit low is understating, I feel like I’m inting most times I dps in a pug and I don’t like that

[tough portal]

The gap is the part that matters tho
The game not being dull as a rock for people doing the reward cap key level
The gap between title range and the previous reward not being 15 key levels

[reef zenith]

Monk isn’t bad fwiw- the no apex key build feels fun

[thorn plover]

they really shoulda kept the 18s for max vault thing that was there in beta

[tough portal]

People that missed the boat on the playerbase playing at a high level will be in absolute hell progressing through the 14-20 key level range in the coming months

[wide rose]

i will tone down the "in ff its like this" i know it gets annoying and people dont actually care lol its just context for me

for the most part the gearing in wow is way more interesting and rewarding and for that to be true there has to be good and bad outcomes

[main timber]

It's just annoying because it means there are infinity key levels to work through if you want to climb, and weekly keys end up very boring

[wide rose]

im not sure if i like the vault system but ill give it time ig

[rotund geode]

S1 m+ is my fav of all time

[grand herald]

Maybe its cause i found doing weekly keys boring anyways

At least its faster with easier tuning

[thorn plover]

Using push keys as weekly keys rn

Lol

[grand herald]

tbh thats pretty much what ive always done

[wide rose]

sounds like the fun way to do it

[grand herald]

well

at a certain point you end up failing keys over and over and its a bit rough

[tough portal]

Only if you time them / have a group

If you're just pugging and bricking until monday night

[grand herald]

last season i kept trying to get my priory up and went through like 30 groups in 2 weeks

[wide rose]

were bricked keys always counted for vault

[grand herald]

if you complete them

[wide rose]

i feel the punishement for bricking a key is like, so not big of a deal, go again push the key back up

oh yea

i meant untimed completed keys yea

[grand herald]

but, most groups are just gonna insta abandon

if you are pushing

[wide rose]

fair

[tribal forge]

The main problem is that it shows on raider.io and people expect you to suck because you failed to time. It's still 10-12 myth crest and loot, though, so if it wasn't for the bad rep, people would finish the keys.

[grand herald]

most people pushing keys dont need the loot or crests

[main timber]

Is that why? I don't think so. It's just a waste of time to complete if you are only looking for rating

[tough portal]

Mostly it's a waste of time when you have big wipes early

But it happens a lot too

With bricks towards the tail end

And someone doesnt wanna have a brick in their raider.io

[wide rose]

do people still use raider io a lot when there's an ingame version?

[grand herald]

early brick keys are a blessing and a curse

[shut barn]

quick question, my vault is bad. chest piece is a slight upgrade if i put crests in it to 289 and would add 500hps... im leaning more towards gem slot

[pulsar kettle]

nobody checks this

[sacred wasp]

idt anybody i know has ever checked rio for bricked keys

[thorn plover]

ive never looked at someones personal raider io outside the rating that shows in game

[sacred wasp]

when scouting applicants the only red flag i look for is high score with low completed # of >(relevent level) keys which implies they're either boosted or an alt

[pastel dragon]

In windrunner spire, the cat mob that pounces and stuns, can you avoid that stun or just have to know its coming?

[proven phoenix]

the cat doesnt stun the traps do

pounce is just damage

[proven phoenix]

maybe some people care about m+ history

[pastel dragon]

Ohhhh ok so Just gotta watch my feet

[proven phoenix]

like how many keys you've timed and depleted etc

[trail yacht]

in like, the 12+ range for M+ how much more healing/focus/prio would you say goes on tank healing? It feels like in 10's the answer is like, barely any but suddenly tanks are kinda just popping, am I like not target healing them enough probably? or are tanks still somewhat self sufficient in higher keys?

[proven phoenix]

most people just look at the ingame score

[thorn plover]

i look at their rating, then their raid progress lol

[wide rose]

the traps have a glowing blue pillar of light iirc

[proven phoenix]

ya

easy to spot

[proven phoenix]

uh just depends on the pack and tank I think I dont really have tanks die but I can also judge how much healing they need

sometimes I heal them alot and sometimes I can just chill

[wide rose]

and u gotta kill the trapper mob but i havent seen people target him they just expect people to see and dodge the traps

ig

[pastel dragon]

Ok good to know thanks

[trail yacht]

im struggling to jduge and get in a rhythm cause I dont have like a consistent tank I play with, some tanks just take care of themselves and others need so much spot healing I dont have time to heal dps

[pastel dragon]

I think I learned im color blind

[proven phoenix]

you'll get a feel for it the more you play

[wide rose]

its all about knowing its a visual tell you need to look for

i know because i fucked it up and complained and my friend told me use your eyes idiot

lol

[tribal forge]

People definitely did before they added RIO in game. It's definitely why people would abandon a key right before last boss.

[sacred wasp]

idk ab that man usually it was just late enough in the season that nobody needed gear or crests from the completion

late season only reason i'd complete a bricked key is if the key holder wanted it rerolled to something less toxic

[sacred wasp]

one of the big parts of the start of a season is figuring out exactly which packs across all the dungeons require attention to the group, while there's a lot of group damage in the trash nowadays - it's won't always warrant the extra attention of lifebloom off the tank so it's kinda just a growing pain

like the left side of NPX is very much tank attention with manageable group damage coming in

[remote sentinel]

trinket vault - any suggestions for m+ ? 🙂 wowhead says Gaze, methos page says Vaelgor's and itemlevel says feather

[tribal forge]

Gaze for M+, Vael for all around

[primal cargo]

i got from vault super bad items
how good is vessel of tortured souls for us

[thorn plover]

terrible

[primal cargo]

the other option is shoulders haste/mastery

[thorn plover]

sounds like a good option

[primal cargo]

but should i use them as off piece or convert to tier set

[thorn plover]

tier

chest off piece

[thorn whale]

For the life of me I can't get a rank 1

[fervent mica]

it always depends what the rest of your gear is

[thorn whale]

it's not possible

[rustic copper]

Chest shoulders helm off pieces

[thorn plover]

also what galaxy said

[fervent mica]

the chest and shoulders are same stat when tier

[thorn plover]

i like the way you think

[rustic copper]

???

[primal cargo]

yeah well i have 0 tier set piece atm

[fervent mica]

they're both crit over mastery??

[rustic copper]

No

[primal cargo]

i will use them for now for stats cus my shoulders are 192 anyway xD

[rustic copper]

It’s mastery over crit for shoulders and crit vers chest

[primal cargo]

i think chest is crit/mastery

[fervent mica]

wtf am i thinking of then

[primal cargo]

but shoulders are bigger stats mastery

[thorn plover]

chest is crit mastery'

[primal cargo]

chest bigger stats is crit making it bad

[rustic copper]

[thorn plover]

shoulders are mastery crit

[rustic copper]

I’m still not wearing it

[river sable]

I need somone to explain this to me 👀

[thorn plover]

what

[fervent mica]

drums are quite good

they're basically the same as heart

[river sable]

Drums @ 276 is better than heart of wind

[fervent mica]

??

[thorn plover]

ya?

[rustic copper]

.01%

[fervent mica]

0 hps increase

[fervent mica]

its just not ever possible to get drums on myth track

those are showing highest possible upgrade in the stat allocations

[thorn plover]

at 276 theyre basically identical

[primal cargo]

weekly heroic chest what loot spec is best to open we aim trinkets right ?

[river sable]

i just never thought they were better than heart of wind

[fervent mica]

they aren't...

they're the same

[river sable]

sorry poorly worded

[main timber]

That's fine, you were just mistaken

[mellow pier]

Lol we god same trinkets wut

[mellow pier]

Gaze is on QE also higer for raid no?

[tribal forge]

Yeah it's also good it's just that Vael + blanket can solo carry a heals mechanic, whereas gaze is more rng

[still shore]

Hero Gaze ore myth boot with haste vers?

[main timber]

Feel like you are just saying random words

[tribal forge]

Or I'm not ego boosted, those are not really hard words or nonsensical 🤔

[main timber]

Gaze uptime is very high, it shouldn't feel overly RNG. Vael is ok but very niche and doesn't really line up well

Also RNG is much worse in M+ so why Gaze there if that's something you think is an issue

[plain steeple]

Ok i have no idea what happened with Blizzard.
Since today, i suddenly see a lot of debuffs doubled on Grid. But on different positions. Didnt change any setting. Also i am having severe framedrops everywhere.

Anyone got an idea why this could be the case?

[tribal forge]

Because people don't know use on use trinkets on cd, less management, so definitely better, at least to me, in terms of trinket value

[pulsar kettle]

[rustic copper]

[wide rose]

do people actually care about your HPS% parses on say heroic when recruiting, isnt that insanely manipulatable, just stack the healer role with people you know and do most of the healing?
i dont mean i would do this i mean why would you pay attention to a stat that's so easy to fake when recruiting

[fervent mica]

what else are they going to look at?

thats why trials exist... to find out if someone is what they say they are...

[wide rose]

casts and trials

and clears i guess

[main timber]

Well it is easy-ish to fake right. Sure you can 2 heal a 30 person raid and that'll be a great parse, but also you still 2 healed the big raid

Or underhealed M Vorasius or whatever the case might be

It's also common to check other stuff though like how they did on prog, how often they died etc

[wide rose]

i guess healing raids on few healers runs yea

[fervent mica]

the number isn't the only thing looked at in logs.

but it does get people to start looking

[rustic copper]

You need to look very closely at heroic logs and know the spec to tell if they’re playing good or not on a good parse

But you can definitely identify stinkers in heroic logs

[stoic sentinel]

just heal the fking grp either you kill it or not

[wide rose]

yea at casts, cd usage, LB uptime etc

that makes sense for me

[rustic copper]

Mythic prog is really the most accurate logs

After that it’s bricked

[wide rose]

when i was recruiting healers, 99s on a healer meant absolutely nothing for me is all, but we were at a level where it was all word to mouth, do you have experience with early clears + trial

[main timber]

Yeah

It also just depends on what level of guild is doing the recruiting

If they are a mythic guild that'll clear about half bosses then a high heroic parser would probably be worth trialling for them

[wide rose]

and putting them through hell in trials

[whole horizon]

lowkey most applicants to your mythic raiding guild will be people who are barely qualified to mythic raid

[main timber]

Obviously the trial is the important part anyway

[whole horizon]

so thats tbe

[main timber]

You just use whatever data you have to filter possible trials

[wide rose]

just trying to make sure i understand the culture

yea

[whole horizon]

parses gets them a trial, thats about it

[rustic copper]

The last 3 guilds I’ve been in was through friends

[wide rose]

i might have an in on a friends guild if i work hard over the next patch, i will see if i have time with work but im motivated. all that matters is improving right now i'm still bad

[whole horizon]

if they sandbag or dont vibe with the group then they play bench

[rustic copper]

What’s your raid prog rn

[whole horizon]

they usually end up leaving bc they dont want to

[thorn plover]

vibe is big

[whole horizon]

yeah i already carry my friends, im not carrying someone i cant stand to listen to lmao

[plucky flare]

Are there any interactions with swift mend similar to how ancestral swiftness works with shaman? Casting a heal and queueing a swiftness to go off on cast complete will spawn an ancestor and cast the heal you queued.

[thorn plover]

uhhhh kinda?

sm does a lot

sm buffs your next regrowth or rejuv, it also spawns a tree

[wide rose]

very new, like i said i am just asking what the recruiting culture is like and trying to find my goals right now. i cleared normal yesterday it was very easy

[rustic copper]

regrowth into sm uses the sotf on the regrowth

[rustic copper]

What is the hardest raid boss you killed was my question

[solar hollow]

Is Corespark Multitool the best Mythic 2H for resto druids?

[gentle nova]

yes

[rustic copper]

Or none at all?

[gentle nova]

parses are the first thing people will look when recruiting lmao

[wide rose]

normals

going into heroic this week

[rustic copper]

Get in the mines

[wide rose]

yessir

[plucky flare]

Great! This is what I was looking for, aside from the obvious talent interactions 🙂

[rustic copper]

We didn’t kill l’ura last night might be time for me to go to the mines

[thorn plover]

we didnt make it out of p1

[rustic copper]

P2 is our issue

[gentle nova]

is it harder than cosmos

[wide rose]

the normal party i went with skipped beloren unfortunately, thinking of doing another run in pf for that fight maybe

[rustic copper]

We kept missing the orbs

[thorn plover]

you guys using addon for memory game?

[rustic copper]

Yes and it’s not even close

[gentle nova]

XD

hahah

thats funny af

[rustic copper]

We tried our raid leader calling it and that worked like 80% because he’s also tanking off role so he’s not locked in

Best Strat we found was 1 person reads the memory game and another person places markers

[thorn plover]

yeah us too, hed call it as they go out, then repeat it in a different order lmao

[rustic copper]

We did like 3 p1 pulls in a row doing that

Without failing

Then we quit

[gentle nova]

ask roiben for the method addon

[thorn plover]

i see northern sky has it built right into their addon now

[simple rivet]

Tried with pugs maybe someone doesn’t have the addon but all I tried with them not working even saying function does not work in combat 😄

Saying through addon manually works

[rustic copper]

Mechanically its like a mid tier mythic fight, it hits like a mid tier mythic fight, the boss has no hp though

We have the addons it’s just not setup

And the memory game isn’t even hard

We just game

[wide rose]

its all long term stuff im gonna work on m+ in the meantime, work on my fundamentals, then pug heroic prolly

[fervent mica]

best strat i've heard is having 5 people assigned to put down a specific marker

so one person calls and they put their mark in that order

[wide rose]

all depends on work my job can be fucked

[rustic copper]

That’s a lot of people that can fuck up

[fervent mica]

sure

[rustic copper]

Work up to doing 8 10’s a week and then never do a key higher than 10

[wide rose]

i did that last week

not too bad to do

[rustic copper]

It’s easy this season yeah

[wide rose]

yeah thats what people tell me

[rustic copper]

Then if you’re trying to raid focus on raid

[warped belfry]

could some1 pls help me and check my log?

I have an insane heal deficit 🙁

[wide rose]

i got into the game to heal M+ with friends but doing normal was so much fun

[rustic copper]

Did you do beloren

[gentle nova]

i dont think ill see beloren for a while

[rustic copper]

heroic?

[gentle nova]

prolly not rostered for it

nah i joined a 6/9 guild

[thorn plover]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes/

[rustic copper]

6/9 heroic and you’re not rostered on beloren?

[gentle nova]

mythic

bru

[rustic copper]

I asked if you killed heroic beloren

[gentle nova]

oh no

[rustic copper]

I think doing that fight properly looks really hard too for heroic

We just sac every soak

[thorn plover]

just zerg it

[main timber]

I think they turbo nerfed those soaks already

[fervent mica]

it was a cluster in pug...

[gentle nova]

yeah theres a zerg strat

1 healer

[main timber]

Didn't feel like they did anything this week

[rustic copper]

It’s hard to 1 heal man

[fervent mica]

2 healed 25 man...

[gentle nova]

be better

[rustic copper]

Well we tried to 1 heal doing it properly and we couldn’t

[fervent mica]

close enough

[rustic copper]

Then we started 4 healing and letting every soak die

And we killed it

[sharp mauve]

do you guys macro trinkets with anything?

probably isnt the most optimal way but just ease of use for now?

[oak garnet]

I have vaelgaes macroed to convoke because I'm lazy but it's probably better to not do that for additional oh shit throughput cd

[brisk dome]

Hi guys, what's the reason of Owlweave talent builds popping up lately on sites like Archon? I've read in the pinned post that there's some bug that makes these worth it, but the people still take stuff like sunfire that's suposedly not worth it.

[oak garnet]

Not worth it don't take the bait

[gentle nova]

@rustic copper whats next craft man

ring

nekc

ok its neck

good comms

[rustic copper]

Yeah it’s probably neck

[gentle nova]

yeah ainnoway im getting cosmos VERY RARE neck

[fervent mica]

unless you can pull cosmos neck from vault /-:

[rustic copper]

There’s also a wrist cloak angle with the idea of soaking beloren weapon

[thorn plover]

because the chinese love sunfire, they pushed some high keys, and people copied them

[gentle nova]

xd

what vault mnan

heroic vault

?

[rustic copper]

Belt is a bad craft for us

[gentle nova]

[rustic copper]

Because chim belt is good and splittable

[thorn plover]

the spend 600k mana a dungeon casting sunfire for almost no damage, and drink a whole bunch because of it

[fervent mica]

<_<

[gentle nova]

so is catalyzed boots

[fervent mica]

just kill it and get lucky 4Head

[rustic copper]

What are cata boots

[fervent mica]

haste over crit

[rustic copper]

wtf

[gentle nova]

noob

[thorn plover]

get the boots from trash in raid

duh

[rustic copper]

We had leech boots drop and mw got it

[grizzled seal]

Vault

[gentle nova]

ok so same situation as chest

wait for vfault or craft neck

[grizzled seal]

Isn't it crit haste?

[rustic copper]

Do I open in guardian with cosmos dead for the gigachad cosmos neck max

[rustic copper]

Very high haste

[grizzled seal]

I opened as guardian this week

Don't need a weapon

[brisk dome]

I see.
When should i think about opting into Owl (without the sunfire) over Cat? Would AA be a good one since tanks pretty much always pull the full 1st room?

[rustic copper]

I think we obviously do guardian

I dont know about after crown is dead

I can be convinced either way

[ashen vector]

do you guys think there is a crucible trinket nerf incoming?

[gentle nova]

no

just get mythic trinkets

[thorn plover]

already did, so not likely

[ashen vector]

I got void suffuser myth track and it still sims higher than that

[thorn plover]

really? mine is no where near simming higher

[gentle nova]

where

[thorn plover]

ya that^

[gentle nova]

i assume this is for m+

[thorn plover]

even if you pick dungeon it doesnt change much

[plush wigeon]

Hi, according to your graph the best current trincket raid/mm+ for Rdruide is therefore Locus-Walker's Ribbon? Why is it so little used compared to the others then? Thank you in advance for your answer @gentle nova

[ashen vector]

guess i should have mentioned on my mw monk

[oak garnet]

crit prob worth a lot more xd

[thorn plover]

mw monk asking in resto druid discord

[ashen vector]

it's the most active of healing disc and i asked a general question tbf

[oak garnet]

ehh youre not gonna win this one brotha

[thorn plover]

🤨

[pulsar kettle]

what

😭

[ashen vector]

xd

[oak garnet]

^

[thorn plover]

xd

[gentle nova]

because

no one is giving a resto druid a locus walker ribbon when all dps need it

gearing process is not over

and people just gotta work with what you have

[plush wigeon]

I hope you're right but I don't see many people talking about this one that's why I'm very surprised, after I'm lucky to have it and I didn't really think it's so good @gentle nova

There is very little information about it compared to the others

[rustic copper]

Only way you get ribbon is if you get super lucky pugging or if you do lots of splits

[plush wigeon]

I was lucky to be able to exchange it for another loot in a raid, I thought I made a mistake but maybe not in the end

[daring condor]

So, guys, I need your help 😄

I know that I should be simming, and I am!

I'm very lucky, I've got Gaze and myth shoulders in the vault. I got Ribbon in the m+ chest. I already have emberwing in myth track.

Simming: Wants me to take on ribbon and keep emberwing. Should I then choose the shoulders in myth track rather than Gaze trinket?

[gentle nova]

ribbon is a raid drop

what ribbon are u talking about

[daring condor]

Locus

[grand herald]

he means from the weekly

[daring condor]

ye, the weeky chest for doing 4 myth+ dungeons

[oak garnet]

lucky dog

[daring condor]

Ye, I know

[plush wigeon]

@gentle nova thanks for ur information 🙏🏼

[gentle nova]

: )

[gentle nova]

i would take the shoulders tbh

[shrewd jay]

Guys will this work ?

#showtooltip
/cast target Lifebloom

[gentle nova]

they are harder to get and u already got good trinekts

[daring condor]

According to sim, these I the best trinkets

for m+ in high keys

[oak garnet]

/use [@target] lifebloom but all that does is what having lifebloom on ur bars no macro

so it legit has like no purpose

[agile geode]

how troll is it to get 2h weapon from vault when you already have a 285 crafted one

[west topaz]

i'm sad

tying efflo to lifebloom feels really awful

[agile geode]

only other option is falconer's cinch (haste/vers)

[west topaz]

maybe i should just decouple it after all

taking away my interrupt and lil grove guardian guys as a button feels awful too

[fervent mica]

if its well stated its not troll. you just wouldn't use it until crafting next week

[west topaz]

im using to casting shit at diff people like i got 8 arms

[agile geode]

its final grade, haste/mastery pretty well statted

[fervent mica]

yeah, you'll want one eventually. next week you can have 2x arcanoweave so you don't need the weapon embellish's value

[agile geode]

yea that's the line of thinking i ended up with aswell with next week's craft

just too afraid to commit to the choice xd

[fervent mica]

if theres something else thats extremely good in there then you could take that... but you can also set up the sim with would you could have crafted next week to compare

[shrewd jay]

i don't understand why this is not usefull ?

[hearty coral]

Except if you got Leech then it's still just better

By .2% 8)

[plush wigeon]

So, to pair with this Ribbon trinket, you recommend Gaze of the Almseer (263 iLvl) or finding a balance with haste using my Heart of Wind trinket (276 iLvl), mainly for Mythic+ dungeons. @gentle nova

[fervent mica]

without the macro it does the exact same thing.

thats just the baseline way spells work

[flint void]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CwfpqQN9RcGmh48Y?fight=last&type=healing first time back on resto since last december, can i get some pointers?

(my gear is bad and bad statted, that's being fixed over the weekend, but the general approach to convoke the spirits VI druid is still the same as TWW)?

[wide rose]

just want to confirm something i got told about heroic pug

its gonna be tough getting in because a lot of people demain AOTC to be allowed in their group
Prog parties dont really exist in wow to my understanding in party finder
if they do they are very rare
is that accurate is prog pugging the tier very impractical / something that doesnt get done in wow, get a guild for prog tldr? was hoping to just research the fights and pug them

[fervent mica]

late in the season it becomes true

[frosty tree]

the second week they already demanding aotc x))

[rustic copper]

You won’t get invited to groups that are trying to full clear the raid but you should have no problem getting into like first half groups especially depending on ilvl

It’s week 4

[main timber]

I am not sure what party leaders could see but I auto-got into any group I wanted on my alt this week with 0 raid xp

[wide rose]

ok so i should be fine

[fervent mica]

if its linked, they could see your mains prog

[flint void]

"warband score"

[hearty coral]

Are your characters on raider io?

[wide rose]

this weekend ill get my 8 m10s done asap and go into heroic pugs if i can

[flint void]

i get also insta0invited

[hearty coral]

They probably saw your 7/9 mythic or whatever you have

[flint void]

even on 260 ilvl

[rustic copper]

Warbound raid prog?

[flint void]

it also shows that yeh

[hearty coral]

No if your characters are linked to your main it shows your mains raid status

[flint void]

it shows warband x/y

[main timber]

Yeah

I don tknow if I connected them though

[frosty tree]

i cant even connect my alt to my main on radier io xd

[main timber]

I think you will have no issues getting into heroic groups if your ilvl is good anyway

[fervent mica]

just have to log in and resubmit blizz info

[main timber]

There are some AotC-only groups but they're a small percentage still

[flint void]

but yeh, before the chat scrolls off way to much.

help please ❤️

[wide rose]

oh and im 265, i can reach full 10-11s io this weekend too if it matters

[outer skiff]

not sure what to pick i did qelive and it said gaze would be the best option im pretty much fully hc geared from dungoens

[wide rose]

i assume thats enough to go into heroic

[rustic copper]

Yeah that should be fine

[main timber]

Link QE report so we can have a proper look

[tawny laurel]

Why does QE recommend for helm enchant leech instead of avoidance/speed?

[main timber]

Yeah that's 100% fine

[wide rose]

im like 2200 io only because i focused on the dungeons that drop heroic pieces i needed

[main timber]

It does more HPS. It's fine to go Avoidance if you want, it's trolling to run Speed

[rustic copper]

You could pretty easily reach 275 if you craft myth items and upgrade hero track though

[wide rose]

i just spend all my sparks

but i should get more this week

that 265 is me spending everything i had available, crafting weapon

[fervent mica]

you have to remember that you aren't queuing against an arbitrary minimum level to get in, you're against whoever else is trying to do it at the time. so the better you can make yourself look the more likely you get the invite

[wide rose]

yeah that makes sense

[outer skiff]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/report/knezjqypcmfx did a diff report now seems like the ring ?

not really into this qelive yet so i think i did it right ?

[main timber]

There is no RNG so Qe live result always matches your input

Honestly this is a really rough vault

Do you mostly raid or do M+

[outer skiff]

mainly m+

[main timber]

You ahve it on raid setting but didn't have much of a raid vault

[outer skiff]

just did lfr rest in m+ but i mainly do m+

[wide rose]

oh another thing (i know im spamming this discord with questions but i Lack information), i was told a lot of guilds expect you to be able to flex all the roles if necesary, is that super common?

[main timber]

No lmao

[wide rose]

ok

[main timber]

Very high end guilds might expect you to play multiple healing specs

[wide rose]

one of the guilds i talked to said they had too many healers but i could druid dps, but im good tho

yeah right

[rustic copper]

I will play resto Druid only

[wide rose]

im open to playing other healers

[rustic copper]

I’ve been banned from off role

[main timber]

But even at that level there are plenty of one tricks

[wide rose]

i'm not interested in dpsing or tanking tho

and my approach to any new game is to specialize in 1 thing and get good at that one thing and then maybe go horizontal

[main timber]

You can succeed in this game just by being a resto druid

[wide rose]

id rather become the best resto i can than split my attention rn

[drifting timber]

when you cast wild grwoth it's not a instand heal right's a hot? how long until the first tick?

[main timber]

Its tick rate is 1s before haste

[west topaz]

people do respect you a lil more if you are not a 1 trick pony, this much is true. but at least one can pick up Balance with the resto gear a bit

or unga bunga on some melee alt or w/e since feral is good again for instance

[drifting timber]

so it lands 1sec after it firs ttick and it goes faster w/ more haste

[wide rose]

yea at least the gear translates decently

[drifting timber]

ok

[wide rose]

i might need different trinkets

[fervent mica]

my 38 crit rating begs to differ...

[drifting timber]

so i want to throw the cast out just before incoming dmg?

[nocturne relic]

Im being asked to use my monk instead of druid as a main

Bing chilling

[wide rose]

main stat wise at least

[fervent mica]

for the first time in forever... owl is wanting crit /-:

[oak garnet]

this will cast lb on ur currently targeted friendly

why do u need a macro for that?

[weary void]

Anyone else having issues seeing who the Barrage spell cast from the 1st boss in Maisata Caverns is targetting? Dont see any specific indicator other than the dispellable debuff. If ppl stack its kinda gg

[west topaz]

they hid targeted spell stuff

like API-wise they hid all of it

that's why people's platynator doesn't show the names anymore

i think you can only know if any boss is targeting -you-

[weary void]

Rip

[half timber]

For HC (and possibly Myth) Chimaerus, how do you guys see what player has to get dispelled, since that info is hidden apparently, which makes it stupidly harder for no reason

[stray hedge]

blue circle around them

[calm dirge]

So i did a few tried on L'ura on Heroic and I can conclude that I absolutely hate the symbol mechanic

[waxen ingot]

click on a person

[half timber]

Thats the only way?

[waxen ingot]

ye

[stray hedge]

best way imo

that way u know they are in position as well

and not blindly dispelling

[half timber]

God that will be fun

[waxen ingot]

i mean its very easy

[stray hedge]

mouseover dispel is useful for it

[waxen ingot]

they have big cicle and are outside of the group

[stray hedge]

should be outside grp

😛

[fervent mica]

the debuff is on the bars

def not hidden...

[waxen ingot]

same as 15 other debuffs at the same time

and all private

[half timber]

Yea I know that, but was wondering why on earth its not showing on the raidframe itself. So I guess I have to click the person manually ans then dispell

They honestly dont have to be private

[waxen ingot]

cause blizzard wants to give everyone aids

they like it that way

[fervent mica]

thats your addons. the debuff shows on frames

[waxen ingot]

is this ragebait

[fervent mica]

no.

[rustic copper]

Yeah it shows and it’s hard as fuck to identify

The easiest way to tell who is to look for the blue circle and identify the player in the middle

[fervent mica]

being able to identify it is another thing... but it definitely shows

[half timber]

Im using Dandersframes like most healers

[waxen ingot]

he is ragebaiting

[rustic copper]

Or memorize everyone’s voice and raid frame location and have them call for a dispel

[lyric surge]

have to be sure you have private auras dispalyed on frames

[waxen ingot]

just click on a person

its way easier

[half timber]

so I guess it has to be a boss debuff then, than the basic dispell frame around the frame

[lyric surge]

but for this particular mechanic, it really is better to just look for the ppl with the blue circle and mouseover dispel their character model

[half timber]

Okay I see, hm maybe I should tweak my profile a lil more then tk make it bigger or so

[gaunt zinc]

Have we had a consensus yet if the sunfire silk lining embellishment is any good btw?
I only find very limited info on it.

[fervent mica]

why do you keep lying?

[waxen ingot]

Im pretty sure the person was asking if the frames show the dispell, separate from other debuffs so he can dispell it that way

not if he has 12 private aura overlays on his frames and 2 of those being dispells

[half timber]

private auras being displayed on raidframes sounds new to me

[waxen ingot]

if you are using danders just write AURA in settings

and click the setup

[fervent mica]

you likely have it disabled... this one is a blue/white swirl

[half timber]

Mhmm

[fervent mica]

it can get pushed to the side by the green dot that has no excuse to be shown... since it goes on everyone

[half timber]

yea i should probably take a look

Personally havent found any "decent" profiles for my taste on wago, so i did things myself abit

[undone basalt]

Hi, new to resto here... Iave noticed ive got 2 abilities on my bar... lifetreading and also lifebloom... they seem to do the same thing when i press them... Do i need both on my bar or doi i just use one?

[fervent mica]

lifetreading is a talent, it can go away

[undone basalt]

ah okay

[fervent mica]

it replaces efflo

[shrewd jay]

I changed it for Focus

[fervent mica]

#showtooltip Lifebloom
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead][@player] Lifebloom

[versed wing]

I am having trouble doing Windrunner Spire I keep doing 11s and 12s and Windrunner is my only real problem. Anyone have tips?

[undone basalt]

also im unsure why but ironbark seems to be bugged in dungeons for me... all other spells are working for mouseover casting but when i try to ironbark any of my teammates it just doenst work? It allows me to use it on my self.

[fervent mica]

thats the one i use in raid, so i don't have to mess with it if i'm doing different things

[unborn plume]

tranquility doesnt heal affix?

[fervent mica]

it would help to know what you're having issues with

[sharp needle]

anyone know why exporting a simc to QELive completely overwrote my grid profile with their version? and is there an easy revert?

[shrewd jay]

Thx, it workd already but I like yours already

[fervent mica]

you can use it as a self cast if you don't need it on someone else... or if they die

quite useful

[main timber]

This doesn't make any sense

[sharp needle]

i agree

[main timber]

QE has no access to your game

And simc is a separate addon created by someone not from QE

[shrewd jay]

Amazing even 🙂

[sharp needle]

i just ran a key with whatever profile i had, now it's showing this:

and all ive done is export a simc

[fervent mica]

seems weird that it could've selected that, but is there not another profile in that drop down?

[sharp needle]

there's like 100 lol

all random alts and such

[fervent mica]

time to go hunting

[sharp needle]

i think ive dug out the right one, but was wondering if this is something people have seen before

[versed wing]

@fervent mica It seems that to me its the DoT debuffs or the unstunned firespits that are getting the groups i go into. Look I make mistakes it just seems I dispell one only for the other to get nuked by the DoT and then a cast that didnt get kicked? im not too sure.

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/no-donkeys-shrek-gif-1107972158425297474

[fervent mica]

you can help with the firespits... but really its just a lot of healing when the dots are out. its the same as the one hallway in magisters, just assume people will take more damage than they should

[versed wing]

So I guess overheal the shit outta the group is the way lol

[fervent mica]

depending on the pull... yeah. when its just one of the casters you dispell one and lb should handle the other. if you're doing full room first pull you just send everything and hope people use defensives when they have dot during aoe

[tough portal]

Firespits are ccable

Incap one, typhoon the other

[haughty ibex]

lowkey firespits are unhealable on higher keys, u need to cc them

[fervent mica]

yeah

incap/typhoon/bull rush

[pastel dragon]

anyone know of an addon that puts a ring the center of your screen for visibility and moves with GCD/ spell casts?

[tough portal]

Not a haranir enjoyer eh

Your loss

[fervent mica]

bull rush is the greatest racial... can't make me swap

also

how can you say no

[inner sonnet]

[tough portal]

You cant, cuz of the implication

[gentle nova]

What implication

[inner sonnet]

implied implications

[proven phoenix]

the implication that u are a furry

[austere cairn]

I've started to do logs because a friend recommended me but looking at it I don't understand much
I have logs here for a Magister Terrace +13 I just did and felt my heal was barely enough to do it, you guys by looking at this graphs can tell me what to do better?

[fervent mica]

best thing to do is look at sections where you struggled and see if you weren't casting/casting the wrong stuff

[austere cairn]

Thank you

[thorn plover]

without being able to pre pull refo now, do i send convoke early to get it on cd or holding til first refo

[oak garnet]

prey weekly is uncapped hero correct?

[tight lance]

Anyone that can help me understand why i dont feel like I got any output in m+???

[whole horizon]

what do you feel like youre lacking

[tight lance]

I see all the top rdruid using wildstalker and i just feel weak

in raid I feel great with treeform and blasting but raid feels so slow.

[placid flax]

why do you feel weak

[fervent mica]

not anymore

[tight lance]

something just feels off when i changed to wildstalker

[placid flax]

like ur not able to heal well or what

[whole horizon]

you press the same core buttons in all of the same situations regardless of hero spec, so thats not the reason

if it feels off its likely because youre making basic mistakes and your other healers in raid are covering for you

[tight lance]

in raid it feels good but its in m+ somehow all seems so slow

idf

idk

[placid flax]

what do you mean slow

like the healing feels slow and low or like just doing keys in general

[tight lance]

like i dont have the same burst healing as it felt the first weeks. cant describe it really. like when I ramp and cast regrowths and output is just not there

[whole horizon]

youre likely consuming SotF too early and not getting value out of it proccing your apex talents when damage is going out

surely youre running apex build in M+?

[placid flax]

ya most likely not properly ramping and using cds or just don't know the dmg output of the dungeons

[tired widget]

http://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/sargeras/juicé/ thoughts on gear im curious on the trinkets mainly

[oak garnet]

U gotta prep before the dam

[whole horizon]

looks great but you could definitely go farm better gear

[solar hollow]

I accidentally chose the wrong embellishment for my crafted weapon. How much worse is primal spore binding versus dark moon sigil hunt?

[oak garnet]

usually as it lands or just before its slamming a wg and spamming RGs

[tired widget]

Yeah I need better chest

[oak garnet]

and u should already have ur rejuvs out

[tired widget]

I live in nexus point

[oak garnet]

if ur rejuvving a lot during big dam ur behind

[whole horizon]

(i didnt look at it but its always the correct answer)

[hardy canopy]

significantly worse, recraft

[fervent mica]

whisper is pretty bad /-:

[tight lance]

running apex yes

[fervent mica]

recrafting is quite a bit cheaper than making it new. shouldn't be bad

[whole horizon]

use QE to sim your best gear and upgrade finder to look for gear to target farm

asking ppl to look at your armory is like asking your neighbor to come check out your car

he's just gonna glaze you and go home and make fun of you to his wife

[fervent mica]

tbf... some of these neighbors could be mechanics

[tired widget]

🤣

[whole horizon]

yeah i mean

thats probably his best set of gear but we dont know what he has in his bags that he's not using

[tired widget]

Posting a armory while gatekeeping bis in bags would be crazy work

[thorn plover]

theres still a wow armory?

til

[tight lance]

like in a nexus point +10 before first boss the tank pulled quite a lot and i ramped up. all rejuved. NS + convoke. and ppl just falling hp.. should not be possible. so i used tranq and it litterally didnt heal any hp. hp bars standing still

[tired widget]

I mean it's a quick way to see gear and stuff

[oak garnet]

in this situation I would have WG at start of big pull and assuming u had a decent amount of RJs out it woulda been RG, SM /WG on CD and spend POTA on RG if multiple people are getting dicked down or RJ if were chillin

my guess is youre getting poor value out of your efflo and everbloom maybe?

[tight lance]

always on 3 and refreshing last 4 sec for bloom

[tired widget]

Bloom should make most classes pretty godly atm

[tight lance]

i just dont know

[tired widget]

Mines at about 5.3 every 0.7

[modern meadow]

@thorn plover been busy at work all day but I caught the tail end of a conversation you had this morning you had about not having convoke in healing CDs as it’s more of a rotational thing. My raid lead has mine as a healing CD and since the change with not being able to stack to get tree at pull it is throwing off my convoke and reforestation. I want to make sure taking it off healing CDs is the play before I got to my raid lead to get it changed

[tired widget]

So maybe 2ndary stats?

[tight lance]

wanna check my talents?

[thorn plover]

i wasnt saying it shouldnt be assigned, but it needs to be assigned where it makes sense. i worded what i was trying to say very poorly

[placid flax]

could also be talents, or gearing issue and not ramping

[thorn plover]

like you dont want to be holding it excessively

[vivid owl]

Hi! trying to understand this catalyst stuff. Do i turn this into tier shoulders?

[thorn plover]

assigning it is fine, but dont follow it blindly

[bright swift]

we're getting up there

[last hornet]

So i got a stupid question, our raid took 2 resto druid in raid today. Both of them are simalar geared and bassicly almost the same. Can rejuv overlap from 1 druid the the other because there seems to be a big difference in total healing output...

[thorn plover]

big

[placid flax]

how many cata charges you got and tier pieces already

[modern meadow]

Gotcha

[vivid owl]

i have 2 catalyst, and zero tier

[modern meadow]

Just trying to get a better feel for it

[vivid owl]

just came back

[thorn plover]

take a peak at lorrgs.io for your fight and see if what youre assigned makes sense

[placid flax]

i would run lfr and normal to try and get tier and convert after you got 2 pieces and 2 charges that way it can drop from delves m+ and raid

[modern meadow]

Thanks will do

[vivid owl]

ahhhh okay good idea!

[fervent mica]

they don't interact with each other at all.

[placid flax]

ya if ur lucky like me you will get gear shortly after to convert and some charges anyway

[hearty coral]

One was probably late to healing damage events and or not pressing as many buttons

[solar hollow]

Would you mind expanding on this? My guildees and I are having a discussion about this and one of them is convinced they are the same. I’m not home rn to look at my qe live page atm and if you could help me understand what makes the spores so bad that would be much appreciated 🙏

[hearty coral]

I'm going Pango just for the meems

[solar hollow]

Thank you so much. Are these numbers hps or what exactly btw?

And where did you find this?

Like what is being measured here and what do the colors and numbers mean?

[fervent mica]

hps, its on qe

[fervent mica]

some of them scale with ilvl, you can see that at the top

[eternal magnet]

Evening all, looking for some help on gear if possible! I have Arbortenders of the luminous bloom hands and phloemwraps of the luminous bloom legs in my vault, which would be better to take? Also, i have my next spark to use now, whats best to craft for 2nd piece (still dont have a 4 piece set)

[solar hollow]

Ty so much

[spark narwhal]

Socket I guess ? ._. ||if @.Phased do not say it's an awful vault, I eat my cap||

[reef sedge]

Hey all, can anyone explain why people recommend crafting cloak or bracers as 2nd item after a 2H? Isn't boots a more obvious choice looking at drop options

[fervent mica]

who is recommending that?

[main timber]

Those are late-game crafts really

Right now it is dependent on your specific gear

[reef sedge]

Best crafted gear list on wowhead https://www.wowhead.com/guide/best-crafted-gear-embellishments-for-all-classes-the-war-within

The option we have for boots is NXP the haste/vers one, those seem very mediocre no?

[main timber]

Eh they are fine

But crafting a Chest or something is more overall stats

[fervent mica]

thats last xpac? <_<

[reef sedge]

LOL

NVM homies

[eternal magnet]

This is for TWW

[reef sedge]

Not my brighest moment, sorry guys

[fervent mica]

i saw as ascension and went HUUH

[drifting timber]

can i get some log help? i'm having trouble breaking into that 120k hps for rduids. I'm stagnant at like 95-105k.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Cc3nwmYr9hKJxjVZ?fight=last&type=healing&source=38

[main timber]

This matches your log very well https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes/

You are undercasting Swiftmend, and heavily undercasting Regrowth

[worthy spindle]

Hey, does anyone have a way of adding trinket buffs to the CD Manager tracked buffs bar? I want to see when my Emerald Coach's Whistle procs, and how long it'll last.

Every addon that claims to be able to do this seems to not work.

[main timber]

Is that even possible? I dont know if thats possible

[worthy spindle]

It seems like it isn't, but I really want it to be

[toxic sentinel]

Just got enough to craft 1 weapon, is it best to craft Aln'hara Cane? I currently have 6/6 Champion staff with proper stats (i263)

[fervent mica]

yup, saves a lot of crests vs crafting mh/oh

[toxic sentinel]

awesome will do, thanks

[boreal karma]

Not possible anymore

Maybe for one of the wfr addons it’s maybe possible

But you will probably never get them

[worthy spindle]

That sucks. I suppose it's not the end of the world though. Thanks for the reply

[versed wing]

Update I tanked the +12 Windrunner and went off with no problems. So either I am a poopy healer or I just knew what to pull?

[nova torrent]

In the top of danders with jaks profile it has trinkets

If you paywall to get his

[worthy spindle]

I 'have my own scuffed danders. I only really wanted the bar, like I have set up for lifebloom, innervate and soul, like this. I don't need a reminder to use it etc.

[nova torrent]

Oh sry yea it’s not the bar just shows cd above the player bar my bad

[worthy spindle]

Nw, was a bit of a niche request

[tough portal]

Yeah any cd manager addon can show cd

[whole horizon]

Ayije CDM does this just fine

it doesnt actually add the trinkets into CDM but it tracks them separately and has options to display in-line with your other CDM cooldowns

[tough portal]

They arent asking for cd tracking bro

Trinket buffs to the cd manager tracked buffs bar

[worthy spindle]

Yeah I just wanted to track the buff from the trinket, when it procs

[tough portal]

How did both of you fail to read this

[worthy spindle]

tbf I'm sure I could've worded my request better

[tough portal]

It's honestly perfectly clear

Idk how someone can read a question about tracking coach whistle

And reply with cd tracking of trinkets

It isnt even an active trinket

[whole horizon]

ah fair, i did misread it

oh well

ill do it again tomorrow

[teal thorn]

Hello all. I am new to resto and I’ve started raiding but I’m struggling to keep up. Are there any easy guides or tips anyone can give me. If this is a stupid question then please let me know haha

[main timber]

This is a great checklist for you https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes/

[merry nexus]

question for you experts: Questionably epic shows sholders as my best item for upgrade. I currently have champion and its for mythic... but i also have a 2H [Umbral Spire of Zuraal] available on mythic... do i go with website suggestion? stats arent great on the weapon crit/mastery

[main timber]

If you crafted a 2 hander already then you aren't in a rush to replace it

[merry nexus]

i did craft

i also dont raid

i should have added that

[coarse hearth]

I am new to the discord too Alex, thanks for posting this Voulk! Looking at this now! I am sure I have some bad habits and misconceptions

[merry nexus]

btw: youre a champion for always respondding thank you

[main timber]

[thorn plover]

anyone notice the consume times in wowutils arent correct for p2?

[merry nexus]

sorry for the follow up. i should have added those additional notes before pressing send

[wide rose]

Swiftmend, when spell queued after a hard cast, will "calculate" the effects before the hard cast finishes.
good thing i read this again, i skimmed past that line last time

[main timber]

Shoulders do sound like your pick then

[merry nexus]

thx a billion

[hardy canopy]

@main timber is consecrated chalice still trash for keys after the hotfix

[main timber]

I'll review it when I get a minute

[teal thorn]

Thank you

[coarse hearth]

@teal thorn i direct messaged you

[drifting timber]

This will be very helpful thx! So how do I maintain this on every rejuv if ramping with rejuv is spam rejuv and swiftment has a cd?

Also is the max stacks for abundance? Is it 12?

[grand herald]

its saying all your SOTF should be spent on rejuv

not all rejuvs need sotf

[raw onyx]

Hey! im off specing as a resto - im at about 40k HPS 257 ilvl is that OK Or should i be higher? ive looked at top player logs and they are around 70k so i feel likts it OK but im just looking for a baseline number. if i need to improve.

[grand herald]

raid?

[raw onyx]

M+

[grand herald]

dont look at hps

look at if people are dying

[raw onyx]

Yeah that makese sense - So basically the same as guardian lol.

[thorn whale]

@distant birch u dropped a fat one on Crown

[drifting timber]

Gotcha ok ty

[urban bone]

Hey I noticed QELive slots in full mastery gems and mastery flask for me, where as I've been using h/m gems and haste flask, I guess the diff is minor but should I follow the robot?

https://questionablyepic.com/live/report/ldukahetappr

[main timber]

Yes it's correct to play mastery heavy in M+

If you raid a lot as well it's fine to use haste gems

[gentle nova]

damn

gj

[urban bone]

ah ok, yeah i basically only do m+, thanks

[gentle nova]

druid is sad

[thorn whale]

Do not look at that druid from their kill Mattiu

[gentle nova]

bring me back to aberrus

i did

lmao

[thorn whale]

I was looking at it

[gentle nova]

but i mean in general

[thorn whale]

And my eyes

[gentle nova]

this tier healing rankings

look exactly like amirdrassil

[marble brook]

should i open my vault in balance or resto?

[thorn whale]

this was a juicer

[gentle nova]

thats not bad

[thorn whale]

It's me

Not their druid

[gentle nova]

oh

what bsos

[thorn whale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R8v4ZGwhWLXqryTV?fight=23&type=casts&source=20

[gentle nova]

man must be nbice

not playuing with the fotm

[thorn whale]

I have bad news

[gentle nova]

i literally couldnt do shit last night with the disc and the mw

[thorn whale]

We have a returning resto druid player coming

And I'm going mw

After this week

[gentle nova]

mw is a weird choice

go disc

[thorn whale]

Don't think they trust me to full swap to disc for last boss

Which is fair

I never played it

[gentle nova]

i swear disc is always good

kinda unreal

[thorn whale]

And also we have one

[gentle nova]

this was my NK last night

and i did 135k hps

literally all 3 of us green parsed

xd

this game is so bad

[thorn whale]

you 3 healed??

[gentle nova]

4

but i meant with the disc and the mw

[thorn whale]

Yeah it's impossible

My logs are truly blessed from bad healer setup

just look at this

[gentle nova]

its either get bad comp or 3 heal most of the raid

yup

you can 3 heal everything

up to paladins

1st boss prolly is a 1-2 heal too lmao

with some priest for the md

no one will do that tho

I can probably solo heal my side on chimaeron too

[thorn whale]

until you get swapped

[gentle nova]

with the mw which can also solo

[thorn whale]

yeah

[gentle nova]

i need druid to be the op healer

soon or my interest in this game will go down

i dont even think the .5 change will make us op

i thought convoke still proced everbloom

and it doesnt

[thorn whale]

You don’t enjoy multiclassing?

[gentle nova]

no

[thorn whale]

That is what keeps me interested

I find learning a new class fun

[true quest]

This is a fantastic list. Thanks for this. I’m on mobile and struggling to find if there’s one of these lists for other specs (especially resto shaman)

[gentle nova]

i could probably play mw since its similar to druid

but eh

can barely keep up one char lmao

[thorn whale]

True 😂

[bright swift]

what?

[gentle nova]

they changed or broke it

[bright swift]

maybe to balance convoke/tree

[gentle nova]

because i remember early it was

[bright swift]

you mean on live or

[gentle nova]

but there was no notes for it

[bright swift]

on ptr

[gentle nova]

in beta it definitely was, early live i think it also was

no notes for it so i will assume its a bug for my own happines

[worthy spindle]

Do you guys use anything to count rejuve stacks in raid to maximise abundance? Or are you raw dogging it?

[gentle nova]

@thorn plover addon on his bio, but experienced players just eyeball it i bet

i kinda eyeball it too

[worthy spindle]

I eye ball it, but my eye balls fail me when I zone out sometimes

[gentle nova]

but if youre new def get that it will help get the mjuscle memory

[thorn plover]

i glance at it once in a while, but im not constantly checking it. i kinda know in my gut how many rejuvs i have out

[thorn whale]

I count the seconds from when I cast my first

[worthy spindle]

Guess I need to work on my 8 times tables

[drifting timber]

The abundance stacks show on your regrowth right? That’s the number on the spell?

[worthy spindle]

12 is max, right?

[thorn plover]

i cant count past potato

12 is max, but there are times its nice to know you have more than 12 out

[thorn whale]

I'm also not counting anything

I just play by vibes

[worthy spindle]

Yeah, I'm like 99% an M+ player, so I feel like a fish out of water in raid prog

good to know there's something to help my inability to count though

[thorn whale]

Yeah the healing loop is very different

but honestly I think I got a lot better from pushing high keys

[gentle nova]

i think keys just train your reaction time

because its nothing like raid

[thorn whale]

Yeah and your ability to play defensively

And live

[worthy spindle]

Thing with keys is, most of your value comes from the burst on lifebloom when you spend SOTF, in raid it's so different, you're playing around spamming low cost regrowth

[thorn whale]

Yeah it's 2 different classes almost

[worthy spindle]

It really is. I don't get to ruin the pull with typhoon in raid :(

[bright swift]

yeah Demo damage is definitely fine

[thorn whale]

You pugging?

[bright swift]

no lol

[gentle nova]

how much of ur healing was everbloom?

what if i just dont play it

[bright swift]

a lot

M+ players unspeccing ND is crazy btw

I did 1 key with it back on and my healing went up by so much

fuck Harmonious

[thorn whale]

How you finding the keys?

[worthy spindle]

Do you switch lifebloom target often? My lifebloom is always above regrowth in high keys

[bright swift]

yes i swap often

whoever needs spothealing

[worthy spindle]

Maybe I just don't regrowth as much as I should. Tbf I run with a blood dk, so he doesn't need much in the way of spot healing

[bright swift]

very good

[polar lichen]

ND is the one that saves rejuv gcds on people who don't need healing?

[bright swift]

this is how it's always supposed to be

[bright swift]

nurturing dormancy yes

it's so good

[thorn whale]

😂

[polar lichen]

damn i have tricked myself into thinking it's no big deal

[thorn whale]

My goat

I started gearing my monk

Look at this fking overall

[floral scaffold]

is tier the safest option here? sim wise theyre the same

[worthy spindle]

Do you run harmonious bloom? I've noticed a few people don't seem to

[bright swift]

for sure pants

[bright swift]

no i think it's shit

[worthy spindle]

Really? What are you taking over it?

[bright swift]

Nurtering Dormancy

I just said

[worthy spindle]

Oh sorry, I'm dumb

[floral scaffold]

ty!

[worthy spindle]

I run both, so I'm not sure what the main difference is

[bright swift]

extra TV

[worthy spindle]

aaah

[bright swift]

but that works

[thorn whale]

Think HB is just useless tbh

[worthy spindle]

Yeah, I like the extra mastery, but I can definitely see value in 2 TV

[bright swift]

mastery DR's very fast

[worthy spindle]

I don't think it's useless, but yeah the diminising returns hurt

[thorn whale]

Useless is hyperbolic obviously

But your LB target already gets mega overhealed

[whole horizon]

it covers a little for poor play or failure to prepare

[bright swift]

Yeah whoever has lifebloom is basically immortal

[worthy spindle]

It's nice for healing absorbs though, which there are a lot of

[bright swift]

even without HB

[distant birch]

Yeah, god bless my co healers for going oom at the end and execute carrying me

[worthy spindle]

is TV applying to the extra rejuv from SOTF?

[thorn whale]

What have you fed crusher

[distant birch]

I'm 10 crests away from hitting hero crest achievement and getting to 281 ilvl on priest this week tho ggs

[thorn whale]

He had 4 CPM of starsurge??

[bright swift]

is your druid afk?

[thorn whale]

I’m 10 crests away from getting it on Druid too. And theeeen I’ll swap monk

[tough portal]

Pvp playstyle

[whole horizon]

its a nice talent but it would be nicer if swapping your LB target didnt devalue 1st apex talent

[thorn whale]

Gorilla warfare on the boss

[distant birch]

he's letting me parse i think

[thorn whale]

What a goat

[bright swift]

I dropped this one today. Thank you new rerolled monk

Chimaerus

[thorn whale]

Did you see my salhadaar log

[bright swift]

no

[polar lichen]

have to respect the name tbh

[bright swift]

wtf

how even

[polar lichen]

also lol at parse % 0, ilvl % 100

good metric

[bright swift]

We had a healer dead the entire fight

and I did 30k less than you

ok I see the problem

[thorn whale]

Idk the music was pumping

[bright swift]

no disc

[pastel dragon]

last boss on +16 MC havent seen those 3 so close in values before lol

[bright swift]

disc completely ruins me

[thorn whale]

Yeah no disc helps a lot

[bright swift]

like

[thorn whale]

6k hps diff

Yup!!!

[spark river]

I have a 276 litany and the weekly gives me a 266 litany

you cant make this shit up

[naive chasm]

What are thoughts on nature's bounty vs 2nd point in TV?

[polar lichen]

what % healing do people who play correctly get out of nature's bounty in m+?

[bright swift]

for m+?

[naive chasm]

Yea

[bright swift]

I haven't seen NB do much

[pastel dragon]

in M+ ive been tending towards natures bounty just because it feels noticible in places like nexus and others where i have to regrowth spam

[thorn whale]

Why do you have to regrowth spam in that dungeon

[pastel dragon]

1: im bad 2: the boss with the damage/heal amp after i hit convoke or tranq

[naive chasm]

I have to regrowth spam when I get bad Vengeance DH tanks

Actually no, they just get one shot

Through ironbark

[polar lichen]

If you're regrowth spamming a single target like your tank do you still get value from NB

[worthy spindle]

I've never had a tank that I couldn't keep alive with just lifebloom + SOTF

[naive chasm]

You must play with good tanks

[worthy spindle]

The burst is quite significant. Are they cycling defensives? Only pack that comes close is first pull on Maisara, but I just external it and soothe the enrage

[naive chasm]

I am not sure they even know what demon spikes are

[worthy spindle]

Haha fair

[whole horizon]

whoever has a regrowth HoT active gets cleaved

[pastel dragon]

liek it doesnt sem to do much overall but when i do need it it feels good

[naive chasm]

I will experiment with 2nd point TV, I have just used the wowhead build til now

I am just thinking of how often I really regrowth spam on multiple targets at the same time

can't think of many times

[rotund cargo]

Any addons available that make it clearer to see if a mob has a dispellable enrage ?>

[hearty coral]

DH feels like BDK this season playing it even in like 10s if you don't have spikes immo brand spread and meta up you just fall over it's like 100% opposite of old Dh where you just felt invincible lol

[fervent mica]

thats how my dh felt when i was doing 10s at 240...