yes
#resto
wide rose
i do slam SM on cd on LB
fervent mica
(in raid)
rustic copper
liveliness photo 2 min convoke 2 tv
bright swift
stop
rustic copper
fuck it go ws
rustic copper
pressing wg without ms 
gentle nova
or tol
rustic copper
I don't even think tol is better for mana than convoke
bright swift
You have some cooked takes this tier man
rustic copper
it saves you from casting rejuv ever
proven phoenix
niko and mattiu are just the goon squad
spreading propaganda
I will be playing incarn
rustic copper
unlucky we private log
I'd kill bosses with shit builds and r1
for the love of the game
gentle nova
dragons
gentle nova
yea its chill af
gentle nova
wear those 2
grand herald
I dont know how to sim stuff im not gonna lie
simming is very easy to learn btw
nocturne vortex
whats the name of the addon?
grand herald
simulationcraft
nocturne vortex
damn 47m downloads lol
grand herald
very useful tool
nocturne vortex
imported my gear playing around with the website
grand herald
for telling you what gear to wear, youd use top gear
select the gear you want to compare
then press sim
nocturne vortex
i think i did it right, it shows i lose -135 hps if i equip this pvp cape instead? (same ilvl just different stats)
fervent mica
yeap
grand herald
yeah
nocturne vortex
thanks all
blissful lion
thoughts on another druid spec
get all the abilities of malfurion and we nap to gain resource
nocturne vortex
ive always though we should get a support animal summoning class
grand herald
shoulda played when GGs were op
nocturne vortex
difference from beast master is that ours are temporary animals and we summon spirits of nature
blissful lion
just hordes of cute forest denizens
death by 1000 rabbits
so somewhere between lock and hunter?
nocturne vortex
yeah its what keeper of the grove SHOULD be
yeah except its a support class like augmentation
like summon a spirit of bear to grant health to allies etc
blissful lion
i see i see
nocturne vortex
i hate keeper of the grove cause in theory it sounds cool but its just treants. at least they added dryads tho
im thinking like the lemix groverunner ability thats the vibe
blissful lion
i mean them treants do be keeping the groves tho, same with the deer centaur
you play D&D at all?
nocturne vortex
i agree but we need MORE
yes i do, and the vibe im thinking of is shephard druid
perfect way to explain my vision
blissful lion
lmao i was about to say shep druid is exactly what i am envisioning
summoning a bunch of wisps to give a decaying shield does seem sick
i could see a lot of plant related area denial too
walls the brambles
lean into the connection to nature in all its aspects not just entangling
nocturne vortex
see that'd be sick
that's what I wanted for keeper of the grove
like a mini summons class
grand herald
unfortunately hero talents arent meant to change specs that much
blissful lion
i mean i still ove the class
grand herald
thats more of a new spec type thing
fervent mica
everybody just wants to be a druish princess
blissful lion
duh
fervent mica
blissful lion
theyre jamming the radar
nocturne vortex
some tecs do change the way the spec plays
like elune for balance prevents solar eclipse
grand herald
sure, but you are still doing the normal class things
a resto druid is never going to not be a hot healer
nocturne vortex
well yes ideally i want a new spec
but they could've easily centered keeper of the grove around different animals
the dryad one was actually one i provided on the beta feedback. Ironbark causes a beam that heals. they actually added that
another example, When casting stampeding roar birds fly overhead speeding you along an extra 10% etc stuff like that
grand herald
sounds like youd be happy with just a visual swap
nocturne vortex
yeah my issue with keeper of the grove is you dont notice anything visually different
unlike wild stalker
grand herald
i dont notice anything visually different with wildstalker either :^)
nocturne vortex
wild stalker causes flowers to bloom everywhere its one of the best visual hero specs in the game
its like flowers on crack
less noticeable for feral
glass crane
ok I'm trying to catch back up on rdruid raid shit, are ppl not trying to sync convoke and reforest anymore?
vivid peak
i dont think its worth it if you lose swiftmends
fervent mica
a lot of people cbf cancel auraing...
vivid peak
yeah that's probably optimal
peak charm
fax
modern meadow
Does anyone know if they did somethign with stacking swiftmendd casts before boss fights?
Mine isnt working currently
lunar sun
Yep they patched that
modern meadow
nice fun ruined
cursive pilot
pre tree swift go bye bye 
lunar sun
vivid peak
you can stack it on adds next to boss rooms
modern meadow
thanks I thought I was going crazy
vivid peak
the just meld the mob
sacred wasp
any way to track the cds of enemy abilities (m+ trash) or does blizzard no likey that
potent prairie
can anyone with enough experience exaplin to me the difference between running double vs single swiftmend in high keys. I have sort of hit my limit a little on + 17s and i am currently playing double sweiftmend, i see that rank one keys are timed with both builds but i was just wondering why you would chose one soul of the forest instead of 2. This is my first season as resto druid
gentle nova
can anyone with enough experience exaplin to me the difference between running d...
more gcds saved for abundance/mastery/regrowth spam
when you extend 3 hots you save 3 gcds that can be regrowths
potent prairie
but you give up double sould of the forest should you need it, i think i will try run it so i get a feel for it, i currentyl like having an emergency soul, but i get why that is more pefrective
rotund cargo
when you extend 3 hots you save 3 gcds that can be regrowths
Regrowth feels incredibly weak sometimes
drifting timber
I need some creative motivation; anybody using danders aura tracking? What hots are yall using / what effects? Borders, pulsing, highlights or solid colors?
potent prairie
i recommend traking mostly all defensives and all incoming casts on your danders. the hots are just a given, i have not yet figured out if you can see aoe defensives on danders like darkness or amz buff but that would be great too. Another thing i used to have las season is an animation for healthstone and health pot use which i do miss.
vickmantwo made this
drifting timber
I’m new so I need the hot notifications. My goal is to not waste mana over capping rejuvs and knowing by some color association whom has full hots rolling so I can max my tranq in raids.
drifting timber
vickmantwo made this
These aren’t bad.
marsh prism
I’m new so I need the hot notifications. My goal is to not waste mana over capp...
if colour is your aim i recommend not class colour health bars. thats a lot of visual noise. can do class colour names instead
gentle nova
Regrowth feels incredibly weak sometimes
you need to buff it with mastery
marsh prism
also there's a lot of greens and a lot of greens in our hots, making it a bit difficult to distinguish
gentle nova
or else its weak
marsh prism
rotund cargo
or else its weak
I'll have every HoT out on the player sometimes and regrowth spam because they have a crazy strong dot and it just feels ass
gentle nova
get more mastery
main timber
Anyone know a way to get incoming spells working in Grid instead of danders
potent prairie
whats the name
marsh prism
targeted spells
potent prairie
What about traking cooldowns? I saw minicc but i didnt manage to get it to work horizonatly and YodaTV has been pushing PetesdefensiveHistory but its rly buggy, icons double and double
marsh prism
thats not functionality we have any longer
potent prairie
this is what i mean. this is currently in the game but its bugged af
marsh prism
yeah i know
it's buggy because it's not information blizzard want us to have any longer
or more specifically it's information they want to restrict from us
marsh prism
i keep scrolling through this vod trying to find moments where people are actually in danger and there's hardly any ever
oak garnet
i keep scrolling through this vod trying to find moments where people are actual...
rdruid life
play holy priest theyll be in a lot more danger
marsh prism
i shant be doing that.
oak garnet
but holy priest is high octane
big prayer of healing crit basically tops whole team. u just fall over its super squishy
hardy canopy
Anyone know a way to get incoming spells working in Grid instead of danders
i'm pretty sure everything related to targeted spells is broken since mob cast bars are returning secret
exwind stopped working too
main timber
You mean in the patch that dropped 30 mins ago?
mental isle
had someone tell me resto druid has good synergy with brewmaster monks, why is that? (im still learning)
potent prairie
hots + stagger, which is like deaths dance in league or like permanent evoker external, that gets healed over time rly well
inner sonnet
i'm pretty sure everything related to targeted spells is broken since mob cast b...
absolutely no fun allowed and no advantage over future console introduction
god damnit
marsh prism
i'm pretty sure everything related to targeted spells is broken since mob cast b...
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embed???
hello???
pulsar kettle
pepelaff
marsh prism
its so fucking over for me
pulsar kettle
📸
marsh prism
singlebungle
hardy canopy
You mean in the patch that dropped 30 mins ago?
ye
lavish sage
i like resto druid
bronze meadow
when does haste cap out at? whats the number
grand herald
there is no number
bronze meadow
I mean diminishing returns
grand herald
they dont matter
dont need to think about gearing more than stack haste/mast or run top gear on qelive
drifting timber
can rdruid remove bleeds from party membersE?
marsh prism
no
drifting timber
didn't think so
marsh prism
thats just pres
grand herald
nah, bleeds arent dispellable by pretty much anyone
drifting timber
some dude was trolling me
whole horizon
yeah, aug gets it too. idk about dev.
bring back wool luffas man
your first aid level used to mean something 
marsh prism
holy
wicked veldt
👴
thorn plover
gaunt quarry
thorn plover
♥️
polar lichen
how are yall not permanently crashing out over how bad party frame debuff filtering options are
thorn plover
you just get used to it
fervent mica
how are yall not permanently crashing out over how bad party frame debuff filter...
they're better than they were before midnight... its all buffs for me <_<
edgy basalt
Grid2 question, someone know which/if of these check boxes will get me all the dispels showing up properly
thorn plover
ive been slowly going through and deleting / recoloring icons of random debuffs too to hide or make more obvious
painful process
polar lichen
it looks like my options are either a) all debuffs either, including like forbearance and the thing on my tank saying he's about to be horrified by his trinket, or b) i don't see the bleeds in algeth'ar
thorn plover
sounds about right
fervent mica
see everything, brain parse info
night sorrel
Is there anyone that can help me improve a bit by takin a look at my log? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Hz4t9kZPAqfLQgpn?fight=last&type=healing
grand herald
Is there anyone that can help me improve a bit by takin a look at my log? https:...
more WG, SM, RG
more LB
holy wrath usage
thorn plover
Is there anyone that can help me improve a bit by takin a look at my log? https:...
too much rejuv, not enough regrowth (should be 1:1 ratio, youre almost 3:1)
lifebloom uptime is 28%, should be north of 90%
why are you casting wrath so much?
press swiftmend way more
grand herald
bad ToL uptime
night sorrel
So wrath was getting mana back when needed
thorn plover
your mana wouldnt be gone if you didnt press rejuv so much
thorn plover
check out this link, and come back if you still have questions, were happy to help https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes/
night sorrel
awesome, thanks
edgy basalt
I was running out of mana - maybe shouldve had 4 healers?
10-12 Rejuvs Abundance stacks = cheap/free Regrowths, Innervate close to on pull and on CD efficiently with a wildgrowth in there, u can use a mana pot when u get full value and itll be up later
You can swiftmend your lifebloom target to extend it, and sotf proc into rejuvs, or regrwoths in tree form
u also only tranq'd once when you coulda had 3
grand herald
I wouldnt use mana pot or Sotf on RGs in tree form
at least, dont use sotf on rgs in tree form as a rule
edgy basalt
I wouldnt use mana pot or Sotf on RGs in tree form
but u can hehe
pulsar kettle
mana pot over lust pot
undone anchor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JRMvfjngdQtwZ214?fight=25&type=healing&source=16 Here's another one. Don't be gentle. XD
My Lifebloom uptime is ass, and so is Swiftmend, I already see that. I just started this character this season and pretty sure I understand zero of the mechanics.
I will also review the link that was posted above by Purrformance. Thanks guys!
marsh prism
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JRMvfjngdQtwZ214?fight=25&type=healing&sour...
if you struggle with lifebloom uptime you might want to just drop the apex points and swap to the other build shown on wowhead/iv
edgy basalt
you can do a lot of things
I meant to say the only time you would use SOTF procs on anything but rejuv, might be in tree form if it's efficient, which it will be sometimes :))
undone anchor
Noted Nance. I'll see if I can get it up and if not, I'll experiment with the other build. Thank you.
marsh prism
thorn plover
dropping apex does not make lifebloom any less important
marsh prism
no, but having shit lifebloom uptime while also taking apex points is way worse
grand herald
I meant to say the only time you would use SOTF procs on anything but rejuv, mig...
why would you want to do it in tree form tho
you get more value out of rjs in tree form
marsh prism
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JRMvfjngdQtwZ214?fight=25&type=healing&sour...
are your binds comfy, notably rejuv? you have low cpm but rejuv is instant, you can definitely be doing more of those. make sure you can move while regularly spamming rejuv
edgy basalt
why would you want to do it in tree form tho
Just thinking Nature's Bounty burst healing shenanigans
or not wanting to hit rejuv with that global
grand herald
yeah i mean thats good reasoning, just dont see ToL tying in to that decision
undone anchor
Yes, I use click casting for rejuv. I feel like spamming more rejuvs is just eating my mana though. I already get kinda low with the low cpm that I currently have.
marsh prism
Yes, I use click casting for rejuv. I feel like spamming more rejuvs is just eat...
you def dont
edgy basalt
it's a burst window of opportunity where having regrowths uptime can be good idk
grand herald
Yes, I use click casting for rejuv. I feel like spamming more rejuvs is just eat...
did anyone mention that your Swiftmend and Wild growth casts are really low?
undone anchor
This was also only my 2nd kill, so still making sure I stay alive. That fight didn't feel as bad so I may have misremembered that fight. It was last wednesday sorry lol
marsh prism
they mentioned it
grand herald
ok cool
undone anchor
94% WG is low?
undone anchor
I may not understand the metric then. Does it not mean that it was up for 94% of the fight?
grand herald
correct
thorn plover
cast it more tho
grand herald
but you have 3.8 CPM
thorn plover
get it on more people
undone anchor
ahh, I see. thank you.
edgy basalt
I may not understand the metric then. Does it not mean that it was up for 94% of...
Basically, use the Casts feature, to see what you're casting compared to what the top dogs are Casting, and see the gaps
undone anchor
My friend showed me this website for the first time tonight. So, I will need to research the functions and usage of the site. Just wanted a quick "hey, your doing X wrong, don't do that." I will learn to compare with some of the top dogs and take all of your notes for improvement. Thanks everyone.
marsh prism
dude
edgy basalt
use more things on cd tends to be good
marsh prism
asking for help puts you miles beyond a lot of people in terms of improving
you are very welcome
never hesitate to ask
marsh prism
ping me ill put him in his place
marsh prism
gg.
undone anchor
we're a pretty casual guild and usually get into some mythic pulls by the end of the season. I just want to give us the best chance by being useful. lol
marsh prism
grand herald
did u pay the other 3 to sandbag
gentle nova
im using sotf rg a lot
grand herald
are the other healers healing sub 100k
gentle nova
ig thats it
marsh prism
that was also like the scrappiest worst piece of shit kill pull of all time
vivid peak
Soft rg is so good
gentle nova
im also playing apex, it so comfy
marsh prism
theres no wya they have their monitors on
gentle nova
rustic copper
show NB
gentle nova
im playing OUTTA my mind
rustic copper
NB NB NB
gentle nova
yeah i think this is the way to play except the wg
im oom at 7 min max
and have to mana pot
rustic copper
sotf rg ever?
gentle nova
a lot of em lol
rustic copper
haste pot is op
gentle nova
yeah i used 1 haste pot
then i had to mana
maybe i cast less wg
oh i didnt have mage buff either
grand herald
rip
edgy basalt
haste pot is op
if the fight is long enough to make u go oom, can it be better for the kill to just use mana pots throughout
gentle nova
no
u shouldnt oom
if you oom its bad play
you have to find the sweet spot for wg casts
rustic copper
if the fight is long enough to make u go oom, can it be better for the kill to j...
no
grand herald
both give you more healing, but one has a chance of doing nothing
edgy basalt
yeah we have wraths so fair enough
grand herald
and one gives more healing :^)
gentle nova
no we dont play ms
rustic copper
it is better to cast less wg and less sotf rg
grand herald
less sotf rg?
rustic copper
swiftmend rejuv + casting 3 regrowths costs much less mana than 3 rejuvs swiftmend rg
gentle nova
sotf rg i like to use it when i convoked and i have ns up and a lot of rg hots out
gentle nova
edgy basalt
Regarding Swiftmend, the goal is just 100% of the time on lifebloom target that's got two rejuvs on them?
edgy basalt
If it's the button that can save the non life bloom target from dying potentially, do ya press it on them? or leave it to fate?
edgy basalt
sup
gentle nova
thats not what it says
edgy basalt
o
rustic copper
I don't think I've done that a single time ever
gentle nova
still not what it says
whole horizon
makes apex lame
gentle nova
it says the SM that convoke casts and trigger SOTF dont proc apex
but they did
once
that shit was hotfixed
thats so lame
rustic copper
do you have sound on?
thorn plover
danders can track symbiotic blooms on frames now if anyone cares
inland terrace
I’m just now learning about wow analyzer… does that actually help us? Crazy how I didn’t know about it
marsh prism
yes
thorn plover
in raid yes
inland terrace
danders can track symbiotic blooms on frames now if anyone cares
wtf I care! This is great news
marsh prism
make sure you're familiar with all the sites on dreamgrove.gg/resto
inland terrace
in raid yes
And what about in m+?
inland terrace
make sure you're familiar with all the sites on dreamgrove.gg/resto
Ty!!
thorn plover
its not useful for m+
inland terrace
Ah. Damn.
gentle nova
anyone wanna do a key
inland terrace
Trying to see what better I can do. It would be nice if they could make it useful for m+
Tracking blooms is gonna be great. That’s exciting
thorn plover
too many variables in m+ for a tool like that to give you useful information
inland terrace
too many variables in m+ for a tool like that to give you useful information
A Druid can wish though! I’ll keep knocking at it. Keys are getting harder for me around 8
marsh prism
@grizzled seal evokers have been banned from absorbs and I am now back on the torty tech
inland terrace
I guess if I’m keeping everyone alive, I’m doing my job right?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VQ149Hz3XNg8CmGT?fight=1&type=healing&source=4
thorn plover
pretty much
youre definitely going to want to work on lifebloom uptime, and using regrowth more
swiftmend usage looks low too
inland terrace
Yea I noticed I don’t keep lifebloom as much as I should. I panic and it drops off
thorn plover
just swiftmending that guy on CD will go a long ways in keeping it up
inland terrace
just swiftmending that guy on CD will go a long ways in keeping it up
Thank you! I’ll work on it
edgy basalt
Purrformance, will danders by default show Voidspire Raid debuffs/dispellable things?
thorn plover
probably mostly
i think you just have to change the aura filter from Direct API to Blizzard
edgy basalt
ty
thorn plover
throwing lua errors like crazy since the little mini patch tonight, but it works fine otherwise. just have bugsack installed
inland terrace
danders can track symbiotic blooms on frames now if anyone cares
Any idea why this is just now possible? Did blizz take it out of the box?
thorn plover
Any idea why this is just now possible? Did blizz take it out of the box?
its been out for a long time, they just finally added it
its not exactly important to track
inland terrace
True. I do like seeing it.
Last question before I leave you alone - Is there a way to have a notification when lifebloom drops off? One more layer of indication so I can work on my uptime?
marsh prism
every time anyone watches a discord stream while i do keys they are always baffled by how big vines are on enemies
thorn plover
LifebloomAlert addon on my discord bio / curseforge
marsh prism
i just got to class but i am updating my wow on campus wifi
gentle nova
you will know mattiu moonkin
alr
i got invite to a 16 aa
and i ahve 2400io
wtF?
marsh prism
should i aim to do lura normal or no need to taint vault
oh that doesnt matter if i dont do heroic nvm
false alarm...
marsh prism
huh
limpid jacinth
damn, son. I’ve got better gear and haven’t set foot in raid. 😏
gentle nova
well i dont do 100 keys a week
thorn plover
i did 57 so far this season
limpid jacinth
gentle nova
limpid jacinth
I’ve spent more time in keys than doing my true passion, bullying gay people
thorn plover
wow just noticed im the top ilvl healer in the guild by a fair margin and ive gotten 1 piece from raid only
thorn plover
im 275
marsh prism
our healers r all like 273
im missing some hero pieces that ive just been unlucky with
thorn plover
yeah i still have champ wrist and cloak
myth boots, myth pants
kinda makes up for it lol
marsh prism
ok brb shape and colour class starting
thorn plover
limpid jacinth
yeah i still have champ wrist and cloak
I finally went back and spammed tens until I got a hero neck. Feels icky doing that when you’re literally capped on every crest but 😫
thorn plover
I finally went back and spammed tens until I got a hero neck. Feels icky doing t...
why wouldnt you just get the free neck from the pvp quests.... lol
arent the m+ necks not even haste mast
limpid jacinth
because PvP makes me nerd rage
thorn plover
queue into the minecart one on training grounds and afk in the corner til you win
10 mins a round
limpid jacinth
I just mentally black-out when the word PvP is mentioned
lament river
Whats the bar called where you Can see durability and gold ?
edgy basalt
LifebloomAlert addon on my discord bio / curseforge
Hi I just got your addon. I like the mouse feature. Last xpac I had a WA for LB and Swiftmend on the mouse, is there a way I can get Swiftmend one now?
plain rampart
guys, is your bloom timer on party frames also being covered by debuffs? (using grid2)
edgy basalt
Theres several addons for what I asked for I see
edgy basalt
guys, is your bloom timer on party frames also being covered by debuffs? (using ...
Not for me, I have lifebloom in top left corner
plain rampart
Nice, I just haven't found out how to move the timer yet
inland terrace
Hi I just got your addon. I like the mouse feature. Last xpac I had a WA for LB ...
Did you find a good swiftmend one? Because the lifebloom one is perfect
edgy basalt
Did you find a good swiftmend one? Because the lifebloom one is perfect
I am going to look at the addon options to pick a good one now in a minute
edgy basalt
Did you find a good swiftmend one? Because the lifebloom one is perfect
I just putting Cooldown cursor in the searchbar on curseforge
okie
edgy basalt
Nice, I just haven't found out how to move the timer yet
Go to indicators, create one for lifebloom, then u can adjust size stuff on layout
ill dm u to not spam here
thorn plover
Whats the bar called where you Can see durability and gold ?
EnhanceQoL
lament river
EnhanceQoL
I might ask stupid but where can you add that in EnhanceQOL? im using the addon
thorn plover
It's called data panels, I can't remember where exactly in the settings. Likely under interface
Then you add them in edit mode once they're enabled
nocturne vortex
is there a way to make deadly boss mobs only announce/show information relevant to resto? I dont remember it being this obnoxious before but its like every 3 seconds in raid it says "BEWARE now". Like idc if adds are spawning thats a DPS mechanic not healer
i just want to filter some of this information out to make it easier
proven phoenix
yes you can do that
go to dbm settings > the specific boss you want and then you can enable or disable whatever alert you want
although I will say that any boss that spawns adds, those adds are also relevant to healing
nocturne vortex
ah so there's no one click button kind of just gotta customize it?
proven phoenix
yeah
proven phoenix
sure you can change that too
you can change it to whatever audio you want or no audio at all if thats your jam
but its all specific customisations
no template button
nocturne vortex
ill play around with it thanks. I only want the sound ques to happen when something I need to do ASAP happens, like dropping off a puddle at an edge or moving dragon breath etc
ive actually been healing without it this whole time but it was hard for me to do the dragon breath mechanic in voidspire without an alert that it was on me. Default UI was just not helping
marsh prism
ritualise personalising your boss mod notifs every tier
it helps you learn the mechanics too
edgy basalt
This danders looking pretty neat
proven phoenix
every 2 days someone posts a screenshot of danders completely breaking somehow
and every time its in a different unique way
makes me want to not even recommend the addon
vivid peak
i logged in and started getting errors for danders :D
frozen prairie
i have no issues with danders? what kind of problems you guys have?
broken socket
Sorry if this has been asked before, but I cannot find the answer in wowhead/iv. When crafting an item, which stats should we use? Mastery/Haste?
plain steeple
Haste and mastery for PvE, yes.
broken socket
Thanks!
night granite
Anyone elses danders frames giving lua errors
deft oar
How well does rdruid heal the absorbs on aleria? Do you slam all hots on both and regrowth or do you just focus on one?
grand herald
Anyone elses danders frames giving lua errors
So many
night granite
is there a way to fix it, or just wait for update
plain steeple
How well does rdruid heal the absorbs on aleria? Do you slam all hots on both an...
You got one of the best absorb heals, if you play with Apex.
proven phoenix
I dont think apex is good on alleria
absorbs dont stay on one target long enough to warrant apex
if you have a mw or paladin in your raid they can do 90% of your absorb healing
oak slate
is there a way to fix it, or just wait for update
From the danders discord. Not sure where exactly as i'm not on my pc, but maybe this helps you
balmy spire
is convoke still the pick on raids since the prepull refo fix?
proven phoenix
prepull reforestation has nothing to do with convoke or incarn
its a completely meaningless change
proven phoenix
is that what i was getting a bug for from grid2
shouldnt be because grid2 doesnt have built in targetted spells like danders
hearty coral
I have the targeted spells addon thingy
balmy spire
atm we lined up convoke while tree
now we need to wait for like 30 secs for tree
thats why im asking
hearty coral
But I noticed the "your add-ons are causing error" message kept popping up when the icons changed on the arty frames
proven phoenix
yes but if you were convoking literally right on pull with a prepull reforestation
hearty coral
But reloading fixed it so idk
proven phoenix
that is basically a useless convoke
proven phoenix
I have the targeted spells addon thingy
yes that would be affected but then the errors arent from grid2 but from that addon
regardless for the prepull reforestation thing convoke is still good and so is incarn
hearty coral
Oh yeah I didn't know for sure if it was grid I just noticed it was when the icons happened so I assumed it was one of those things
I wonder what they broke
proven phoenix
I like incarn more these days but esp if u are only doing heroic or early bosses where particular cd usage isnt important you can just use convoke anyway
the reforestation change is complete nothingburger
proven phoenix
u dont have to ask...
marsh prism
who the fuck are all these people in guilds who have apparently been let them doing prepull tree shit
coming out of the woodwork upset about this
there is no way they have actually been doing this
proven phoenix
its just one of those things that has no real impact on healing whatsoever but people do it because they think minor optimisations like that are important
same as swapping out one 1% hps talent for another
I dont even prepull ramp much these days unless its a fight that has damage literally on pull like alleria or beloren
marsh prism
I just genuinely don't believe this many people have been doing it I think we are reading like speculative outrage
any normal person who actually does it does it once and is like wow I'm never doing that again
sorry for bit tox I'm absolutely ravenous rn
my tram stop for school is right next to the most fragrant smelling Korean fried chicken place I've ever experienced in my entire life
proven phoenix
wtf happened to trinkets on qe live why is litany so far down and void suffuser so far up
is this right....
I really hate this style of tuning man why do they shake up trinkets so often when its so miserable actually obtaining any of these
frozen prairie
From the danders discord. Not sure where exactly as i'm not on my pc, but maybe ...
its in auras
naive ore
iam looking for a good and clean Danders Unitframe profile (focus on m+). anyone got some tips?
frozen prairie
I think you have some profiles on wago.
thorn whale
I just genuinely don't believe this many people have been doing it I think we ar...
Hahaha I was doing it
I’m the soulstone person so I insta sm
Ress -> SM again
And then usually it takes 30 seconds for us to pull from ress
But I am happy it’s gone
thorn whale
It was good on chimaerus
clear oracle
Is there any good way to track LB on a party target with the CDM or an adjacent addon? The CDM only seems to track the duration if it is on me and using the raidframes for it kinda blows ...
marsh prism
Is there any good way to track LB on a party target with the CDM or an adjacent ...
use the buff tracker tab instead of the cooldown tracker tab in default, but there is also no default pandemic alert so i recommend either making one for yourself using m33kauras since it's now unsecret or using the lifebloom alert addon
midnight niche
anyone know where I can get a dungeon timer like this
errant haven
MPlusTimer addon
midnight niche
thx x
gentle nova
ppl are doing +20s at heroic raid item level
xdd
blizz did a really great job with these
clear oracle
Anybody know why it is only chinese teams doing 20s? Are they just not raiding or what is going on?
storm kettle
who the fuck are all these people in guilds who have apparently been let them do...
I did it for a single night before it was patched, my tranq is assigned for 0:12 on paladins and it was actually giga. And I never asked the guild for more time to set it up, just SM once as soon as I res (usually soulstone) and do it on cd twice more
deft oar
Anybody know why it is only chinese teams doing 20s? Are they just not raiding o...
Most of the main m+ teams from EU and NA consist of a lot of raiders who don't start pushing till raid prog is over. As far as I understand many of the Chinese team pushing don't prog mythic raid and just get the loot eventually from the guilds that do prog raid
dry blade
hey guys, I might have to reroll from hpal to rdruid and prepare for last two bosses, may I ask why rdruid is the choice for mythic lura and what's the advantage compared to a preservation evoker in that fight?
gentle nova
I dont think druid does anything that a disc or a mw cant do on that fight tbh, they brought druid for motw but after guardian did 150k dps on it probably not the play
Druid is good for healing small groups and the raid is split in small groups for a lot of the time but it didnt really seem like it was extraordinary or anything
dry blade
got it! It seems that bear would be a better motw provider and bring more damage than other tanks.
pallid magnet
Where can I find general timers for raid bosses so I can plan out my cooldowns per boss fight? The only thing I can find via google is obsolete addons and guides that either aren't up-to-date or require a subscription to view
gentle nova
This class doesnt really work with specific timings, you kinda just send everything on cd. press tree/convoke on the first damage event and tranq early so you can get 2-3 good tranqs
reef zenith
Where can I find general timers for raid bosses so I can plan out my cooldowns p...
Lorrgs io and the very top bar is the boss abilities
gentle nova
But yeah.
pallid magnet
Lorrgs io and the very top bar is the boss abilities
tysm this is exactly what I needed
scenic knoll
hey i am trying to setup a new ui, but i've got this bug where this isnt selectable anymore..., anyone got any experience with it? (middle bar)
errant haven
If you're talking about CDM(cooldown manager) you prob have an addon that manages CDM position on itself
scenic knoll
holy thank you
its better cooldown manager
the problem i am having is
i cannot move it
as soon as i go into edit mode
it merges then again..
errant haven
i don't use this addon so i can't really help you on this maybe try asking in #general
soft dagger
I have decided to push to 3.3io or at least 3.2 next week(currenly 3k). wish me luck guys. This is the first time I venture into the 3k+ territory. Normally I only push to 2.5-3k and thats it.
grizzled seal
Yeah this is like an entire average tier
I think we had something like 25 hours of combat time in MFO
gentle nova
Dimensius only?
Oh i reread it
Torty did you know convoke swiftmends dont proc everbloom
I swear they did before
grizzled seal
They did on beta
I tested that
So they just stopped at some point after release?
gentle nova
I dont know but this sucks for the next change
And theres no notes for it either
I think it did on beta also
I swear it did lmao
Maybe its a bug
gentle nova
Apex is fine now
balmy spire
you would rather play apex instead of non apex wg ?
balmy spire
niko ?
frozen prairie
Nick you mean or ?
gentle nova
No niko is better than nick
slow pasture
Niko
balmy spire
who is niko? O_O
marsh prism
No niko is better than nick
Lol
nick is a national treasure
what cant he do
do NOT say heal or play rdruid
gentle nova
Basically you play around your abundance a lot and cast wg estrategically so you dont oom because you dont play ms
So you cast fewer wgs
frozen prairie
watched him other night just blasting at 5am like he just woke up. After 15h of raiding.
spark river
2 cpm wg goes hard
frozen prairie
😄
tame creek
Guys, can you link me Cooldown coursor that works currently?
spark river
it would be nice if niko would unprivate his logs
marsh prism
gentle nova
rycn played better. And you could tell that by just looking at the mana gap
marsh prism
it would be nice if niko would unprivate his logs
the guild wont lol
iirc they had some parselords
grizzled seal
I don't even think you should be dropping wild growth by that much
Especially inside tree
gentle nova
Playing voke
frozen prairie
If your mana above 5% you are good
grizzled seal
I am also playing without MS and with zero external mana
balmy spire
still not getting the point in playing photo
grizzled seal
All our external mana goes to holy pala
grizzled seal
still not getting the point in playing photo
Procs verdancy
grizzled seal
iirc they had some parselords
Yeah like Niko
marsh prism
i dont know if he was the one who had the logs shut down because of it
but you are also not wrong
grizzled seal
It was a tongue in cheek joke
I don't know if disc is beatable on alleria
So many adds, they just farm swd for free
Also I'm gonna say, the tranq windows are hilarious this tier
marsh prism
it is very funny to see people not like zar get his swd off or whatever the hell is going on with that
he wants to kill people on chimerus
marsh prism
Also I'm gonna say, the tranq windows are hilarious this tier
ability fucking sucks ill be real
we need a lower cd
or something
hard bear
or *something*
Make tranq talent a choice node between tranc and flourish? 👉 👈
marsh prism
no i want both
grizzled seal
grand herald
ability fucking sucks ill be real
It would be cool if they separated it into multiple cds, like we could make the hot extend part its own cd, and hey maybe even give it a lil oomph with some hot speed
hard bear
Tru but if they dont want us to have both, making it a choice?
marsh prism
Make tranq talent a choice node between tranc and flourish? 👉 👈
i want tranq to flourish innately if they really wanna go with that and then i want to additionally have the dreamstate/inner peace choice
grand herald
Flourish was such a good cd
grizzled seal
I started just running tree on alleria
I'm unable to plan convokes with control the dream
grand herald
Like i get tranq is classic WC3 ability
But man flourish just fits rdruid so much more
grizzled seal
With vantus?
marsh prism
yes
marsh prism
gentle nova
I go from 20% mana to 50% just from all the 0 mana rg casts after tranq
Its pretty stupid
grand herald
Do we really passively regen that much
grizzled seal
Ok that's a pretty good comp
grand herald
Thats what, 30 seconds of free casts?
polar lichen
what order is that list in?
grizzled seal
Do we really passively regen that much
Not that much, but you have like 30 seconds of ~0 mana expenditure after tranq
marsh prism
tank heal dps
grizzled seal
You only spend mana on 3 swiftmends and 3 rejuvs there
gentle nova
And i have source
gentle nova
I guess its little, its 10% mana over a fight
grizzled seal
10% max mana
You regen a lot more naturally
It's slightly more useful when you don't play MS but not by much
The real gain is 3% healing, not mana
gentle nova
No one has seriously tried wildstalker
grizzled seal
Why would you?
gentle nova
I have a vision it goes wild with implant and a big fat sm ns regrowth with a lot of rg hots out
grizzled seal
Implant procs from WG
grizzled seal
A lot of regrowth hots don't scale linearly for the symb procs
gentle nova
Sure, the proc is low but im thinking about the rg window after ramping
grizzled seal
Idk man keeper has 1s lower swiftmend
spark river
There is a guy playing wildstalker in logs, but his other healers are questionable to say the least
grizzled seal
Sure, the proc is low but im thinking about the rg window after ramping
Does that beat keeper?
gentle nova
I dunno
gentle nova
With more haste it procs more
grizzled seal
Marginally
grizzled seal
One convoke spawns 5 treants
That's more modifiers than convoke from WS
Idk, that tree just doesn't look as good to me
They are both completely passive
gentle nova
Sometimes i do a fat sotf ns rg and move a chunk of the raid health bar with keeper
Im thinking a implant sotf ns rg just tops everyone
Like you implant yourself and hit the rg
grizzled seal
With self LB?
gentle nova
Yea
grizzled seal
Do you have a log of swiftmend into regrowth?
gentle nova
Keeper?
hard bear
Is nurturing dormacy better than liveliness?
gentle nova
Yes
hard bear
Oh cool
twilit galleon
so convoke it is? everybody use it on hc crown / mm raid
sadge i liked tree
gentle nova
You can play both
grizzled seal
Liveliness is dogshit for healing in raid
30-40% of your healing is regrowth and its derivatives
It's like a 2% talent
grizzled seal
so convoke it is? everybody use it on hc crown / mm raid
sadge i liked tree
I'm playing tree on alleria
It's a lot of precise movement in p2, just felt safer doing mechanics with tree
hard bear
Yes
You're also taking longer refo rather than 9% more regrowth/wildgrowth healing, is that better too?
gentle nova
Its better qol
You can cast while moving and gives you extra seconds to cast convoke inside tree
gentle nova
I think convoke with 9% is better throughput tho
grizzled seal
Dragons and paladins don't have dmg events as long as alleria
gentle nova
But
grizzled seal
I think convoke with 9% is better throughput tho
Yeah I think so too
gentle nova
Short tree sucks
bright swift
Yes P1 it's good
grizzled seal
But after that I just self bloomed
gentle nova
Do you have to do anything special with the obelisks that spawn 3 arrows on you other than aiming away
I dotn understand that mechanic
bright swift
Yes in P2 you have to hit adds
gentle nova
With the obelisks or the arrows
bright swift
Obelisks
gentle nova
Hmmm
bright swift
It was the main reason we were wiping
gentle nova
I saw people just aiming it away from the raid idk
bright swift
If you miss you just fall behind on healing
gentle nova
What does hitting the adds with em do
bright swift
Because the add perma pulses massive aoe
It's not the little ghosts
2 Alleria copies spawn
gentle nova
What adds also, is it like an alleria image
That have no health
Like an alleria ghost no?
bright swift
Yes, they only die with an obelisk
grizzled seal
They are somewhat transparent images
bright swift
1 spawns far away
grizzled seal
1 is always on another platform
bright swift
On a different platform
gentle nova
And how do you hit it
bright swift
Aim
gentle nova
Is the range infinite
bright swift
Yes
grizzled seal
They only do damage when they start pulsing damage, it's on a timer
bright swift
And in p1 is that mechanic meaningless?
And P3 too
grizzled seal
It's easy to snipe someone in p1 if your group movement is shit
We had deaths to that
zealous osprey
Prosperity vs Verdant Infusion is my biggest dilemma for m+
I've done more with prosperity, as while verdant infusion may provide more value directly, but being able to use more swiftmends when it matters spawns more guardians of the grove and all the corresponding bonuses. Thoughts?
bright swift
Prosperity is a clear winner in m+
zealous osprey
I felt like that, but guides like wowhead do favour verdant infusion
bright swift
It's easier for +10s
stable verge
It's not like VI is bad or anything, but been able to chain turbo blooms is monkey strong
bright swift
You cant play VI in keys because you constantly swap lifebloom to whoever has to get massively healed
Extending it has no value
grizzled seal
You cant play VI in keys because you constantly swap lifebloom to whoever has to...
I don't do that
bright swift
Nah what
bright swift
I don't do that
You do 10s
grizzled seal
Yeah because I'm based
stable verge
Sometimes you have to switch it
zealous osprey
I don't shift lifebloom from tank too often tbh, as it costs a GCD every time - I may refresh it on a new target that it's better used but I almost never shift it when it has lots of time left
stable verge
Even then, some overlapping dots or so creates super high damage. Can be mitigated with good defensive, but I'm pugging so fuck me
That and some ppl play in goddamn antartica 200m away from the efflo which doesn't help either
bright swift
Then they're playing wrong anyway
Double swiftmend on aoe mechanics is very strong too
That's just so untrue
stable verge
Then they're playing wrong anyway
Ofc, but doesn't mean I'm not gonna try make the key work either way
bright swift
MT first boss
Are you really lifeblooming a non tank?
Tank is the only one taking real damage on first boss there
The slams hurt
zealous osprey
there are groups that don't play monk / warlock/ dk / evoker / druid you know
why are we talking like that is 'the comp' that is a given 😄
bright swift
True lol
You say we
But I disagree
Any heavy dot
I swap lifebloom
Instantly proc a sotf
And they're fine
zealous osprey
it makes sense where 2 people get a high dot and you can only dispell one to put LB on the second target immediately after dispell
I think
waxen ingot
It makes sense in any spot
bright swift
Yes
polar lichen
someone needs to coin a punchy term for "two people get a dot and you can only dispel one"
grizzled seal
True
grand herald
It has been around for quite a while
snow dome
Dispel gambit declined
tough portal
Imagine Method snatching world 2nd
grizzled seal
Imagine Method snatching world 2nd
That's gonna be hard
tough portal
Yall rly need to start ignoring this guy
teal bluff
Can i not build reforestazion stacks out of combat?
grand herald
Nope
plain steeple
Can i not build reforestazion stacks out of combat?
No, that got fixed a few days ago.
tough portal
It's just never a productive conversation when someone's only point is "these people do X so X it must be"
Over and over throughout any topic
All the while ignoring when those people dont even do the thing they say people do
marsh prism
No, that got fixed a few days ago.
only in raid
polar lichen
do you lose stacks when zoning in or.....
tough portal
For all the talk about high keys and whatever ppl do at 19, most of these logs dont need to do more healing than a bunch of logs at 13, 14 level.
marsh prism
me when rains about to get rio checked
tough portal
You should look at the stuff you're gonna look at to formulate your "but look at this 19" argument before you type
waxen ingot
tough portal
It looks silly when you edit your messages
waxen ingot
why did this #1 druid
cast lifebloom
on 3 different targets
back to back
in skyreach 20
?
tough portal
Mfw it's not the first time they make up random reasoning about keys and what other people did in those keys but they didnt even do that
onyx trail
He was really *reaching*
HAHAHHAHA NICE
grand herald
Thankz
spark river
me when rains about to get rio checked
No one here plays m+ so the discussion is kinda silly
marsh prism
idk im literally justr healing absorbs rn
tough portal
Me when I'm going to rio to get checked
onyx trail
Ive been converted to a pres player now
blissful lion
Ive been converted to a pres player now
What lead you to pres
onyx trail
What lead you to pres
healing loop feels very similar to druid and its scratching my itch for learning something new w a lot of outplay potential 
blissful lion
Ah makes sense, ive been itching to try something new aswell. I rotate between priest and druid depending on what I want to do as a healer.
Honestly ive thought about switching to tanking
marsh prism
Ive been converted to a pres player now
miss u.
onyx trail
Ah makes sense, ive been itching to try something new aswell. I rotate between p...
i like disc too but tanking always cool love all the tank specs 4 sure
blissful lion
I just dont know if I should stick with bear or try something else
onyx trail
I just dont know if I should stick with bear or try something else
bear is what i started learning tank with but played them all a fair bit in legion ^_^ big fan of vengeance personally
blissful lion
Lmao I was looking at BDK if I was gonna stray away from comfort
onyx trail
bdk very fun too 
blissful lion
I'll probably start with bear since I know its core identity and learn via pugging
wise eagle
Does anyone else's incarn not show as going on cool down after it expires? Mine often bugs out and shows as available and the cool down manager doesn't show the cool down either
grizzled seal
Druid can do the same on healing absorbs btw
silk hamlet
Is something wrong lately with danders frames?
thorn plover
Blizzard broke the API for targeted spells. Should be an update out to fix
silk hamlet
Any other addon that works properly now that you would recomend?
thorn plover
They're all affected exactly the same
silk hamlet
oh i see
plain steeple
Do you really try to tell a single resto druid, that this guy has to heal a lot? He got 40% of rejuv healing. Do you even play the class, Rain?
radiant narwhal
shrewd jay
Guys talking about build and M+, will a buidl without Apex will struggle at some point in keys ?
Is start to heal only 12-13, it feel quite conformtable atm.
I'm trying to understand if I should somehow start to learn playing with it.
I also don't play Apex in raid.
bright swift
Guys talking about build and M+, will a buidl without Apex will struggle at some...
Apex in m+ is insane
there's no reason not to play it
thorn plover
Guys talking about build and M+, will a buidl without Apex will struggle at some...
There's no question, apex is insanely good in m+. There's no "learn playing with it", nothing changes. You push the exact same buttons at the exact same times
mighty wigeon
There are no big change on your gameplay with apex in mm+ .
lifebloom& efflorescence uptime just get a lot more important
bright swift
that's not really true
shrewd jay
I hear this, but I feel Three of life via resforestation so responsive.
I'll do more research about this.
I guess some ppl will die in M+ for my research xD
bright swift
playing around apex 4 is important
thorn plover
You can take refo with apex
shrewd jay
I put all those points for more WG power tbh.
bright swift
I think refo is just shit in m+
shrewd jay
Three of life is not that powerfull ?
bright swift
no
shrewd jay
Might be a noob take to play Three of life then ><'
grizzled seal
In dungeons
mighty wigeon
Its Ok to play i guess, convoke/ToL w/e
But dont skip apex talents in m+
grizzled seal
The benefit in raid is lower mana costs and 2 targets to wg
Neither are useful for m+
mighty wigeon
You get movement on regrowth spam :c
plain steeple
High hps yeah. But can’t be so bad if you have 9cpm on Regrowth and 7cpm on cat abilities. 🤷♂️
thorn whale
plain steeple
I‘m questioning what Rain is trying to argue. 
bright swift
Idk I started pushing keys this season for the first time in years
One of my first keys I did was a 17 Maisara
was easy
i check
it's a top 400 key in entire season
what are key pushers doing man
grizzled seal
what are key pushers doing man
Not pushing
bright swift
the 1 thing he always complains about
grizzled seal
Why would you push now
bright swift
is rdruids not healing
grizzled seal
My guildies always complain about healers too
thorn plover
Do you tell him we have infinite healing
bright swift
Yes he knows
thorn plover
And they're just bad
thorn plover
Good
tough portal
is rdruids not healing
I'd never assume a DPS's opinion on a healer's performance is any valid
bright swift
I stepped into a 16 seat and I had to ask every pack what the mobs did
distant birch
.5 patch is when u start the push on g
bright swift
I'd never assume a DPS's opinion on a healer's performance is any valid
he is a very good healer too
tough portal
Players are demons and every key is different
bright swift
played healer for many years
thorn plover
Lots of tanks playing like shit too, it's not just healers
bright swift
Tanks have been kinda fine for me
hybrid tangle
Lots of tanks playing like shit too, it's not just healers
too many thinking pulling the whole corridor before 2nd boss in MT is a good idea