resto

[primal cargo]

u will optimize stats with max end game gear , at the moment just put everything for max item level and wait vaults or better drop to come

[rustic copper]

Thats mostly outdated, rdruid stats matter quite a bit this season

Depends on a lot of factors but stats can be an entire track difference

[solemn lily]

Hey whats the best water to use in M+ atm

[primal cargo]

maybe if u do mythic raiding or push m15 , but if he is playing m10 i dont see diference i managed to heal m10-11 with 220 item lvl no enchants gems and everyhing

[spark narwhal]

I think yall would be horrified after inspecting me, 2/6 champion set part as legs, 285 ilevel crafted belt but Hast poly staff x)

[primal cargo]

i dont see stats doing anything at that level its super min/max for 0.1% end game

u dont inspect me bro i went from fresh 90 to m10 farm still have green 180 item level items xD

[spark narwhal]

D: madman

[primal cargo]

if u have 2 items mythic tier u always drop CRITICAL

[thorn plover]

Sanguithorn tea, 8%

[primal cargo]

otherwise go for item level

[tawny laurel]

Is there any trick for shadowmeld->food in m+? Sometimes I can get out of combat and sometimes I cannot, not quite sure why

[primal cargo]

u dont have to oom in m+

[solemn lily]

thx

[mystic pasture]

GGs can keep you in

[molten gull]

sure, if the people you are playing with know what they're doing

[blissful apex]

why is healing tree easier in m+

😭

[tawny laurel]

Like not even after for example 1st pull on ws?

[gentle nova]

its always just funny to me how are all these in the same category

[tawny laurel]

Where they pull whole room

[mystic pasture]

I can imagine burning some mana but with lust, that pull is quite short, it shouldn't take your entire mana pool

[molten gull]

mana management isn't super hard a lot of the time, but if you're blasting inefficient spells because your team is trash and taking a ton of avoidable damage, it can happen

[primal cargo]

well it req healing experience tbh , u cant spam like mad 24/7

but grp plays big role too

[tawny laurel]

I mean, it was 12 and I was really struggling, can I maybe post logs here?

[fierce isle]

We are all world first class according to blizz 😉

[primal cargo]

i host my keys and i take ppl that have done at least 20 keys timed on m10+

[blissful apex]

Was it seat

[rustic copper]

There are going to be so few characters that get that achievement from myth raid

It will be my alt

[gentle nova]

compete with world first raiders, do pvp with r1 players or time all 10s

[thorn plover]

10s are end game content

[spark narwhal]

Doesn't sanguithorn overwrite your food if you have one and drink for more like 10s ? Is'nt tranquility bloom better ?..

[thorn plover]

No it doesnt

[fierce isle]

Think they’ll nuke L’ura after the race?

[gentle nova]

no

[spark narwhal]

That's a great new ! I don't use my sanguithorn..

[gentle nova]

they wont nuke bosses until a while

they will nerf sure

but i remember tindral wasnt significatively nerfed in the first wave of nerfs and it was a 400 pull boss

[rustic copper]

What is elite, 1800?

[gentle nova]

2400

[rustic copper]

Oh

[dapper juniper]

can resto dispell the Chimaeron dot?

[rustic copper]

They have to nuke it, they will nerf it I think once so that HoF guilds can kill it in a normal amount of time

[gentle nova]

they need to nerf beloren first

[rustic copper]

Yeah

Beloren is the big problem

[gentle nova]

not sure if nuking is the word tbh

[rustic copper]

That’s a ovinax level wall

[gentle nova]

arenjt we getting 4% next week

[rustic copper]

wtf 4%?

[gentle nova]

whatever the raid buff is

[analog fog]

yep

[rustic copper]

Yes

[rustic copper]

Do they usually nerf it once or twice before HoF close

I actually don’t remember

But that boss is not reasonable for wr 250

[gentle nova]

wasnt the big tindral nuke after hof

the one you could step on seeds and not wipe the raid

[plain steeple]

Is it reasonable for wr 50 if they‘d even kill the positioning addon?

[gentle nova]

its not reasonable for any guild

these guys have 36 hours on lura prog

[dapper juniper]

which ability tho?

[plain steeple]

36 Holy
How many tries?

[gentle nova]

thats 12 days of prog for normal guilds

400

[blissful apex]

450+

[cursive pilot]

The blue ring

[plain steeple]

Ok that’s not abnormal for an Endboss though.

[dapper juniper]

nono, which druid ability can dispel it?

NC?

[cursive pilot]

Cure

[gentle nova]

what was last 400 puller

[blissful apex]

I saw kj quoted

[rustic copper]

No I don’t think we can kill that boss

[dapper juniper]

does he need to talent anything specific or does it work with baseline NC?

[blissful apex]

Which seems real

[rustic copper]

400 pulls on terminate kicks at least

[plain steeple]

Idk I stopped following that after MoP.
And cataclysm had fun fights with ragnaros and spine/dragon.

[gentle nova]

cataclysm XD

im crine

[spark river]

ansurek had 400+

[cursive pilot]

Can’t remember if it’s magic or curse

[rustic copper]

Ansurek gets infinitely easier with gear

I don’t think you can out gear Lura p2

For example

[cursive pilot]

If magic then base

[rustic copper]

That phase looks insane

[spark river]

Every phase on lura looks kinda crazy

[primal cargo]

last time i played mythic raiding was in legion and i gave up after my guild had to test me 1 week in application and set me minimum hps per pull and max 2 fails per night and i had almost no right to miss any raid durning first weeks of progress and we went straight to mythic with normal gear , now chilling with m + as old veteran and life is amazin 😄

[gentle nova]

im looking back and most end bosses have been 400 lmao

fyrrak was 460

[cursive pilot]

Were they saying they can’t get blue ring off you for piss pools

[primal cargo]

KJ was good fight

[gentle nova]

dimensius 390

gallywix 100 XD

[rustic copper]

[rustic copper]

The gear is insane though

[gentle nova]

u mean they did mythic splits?

[rustic copper]

Yeah

[primal cargo]

654 wipes kil'jaeden that was good stuff

[rustic copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497163777431699467/1490484804163207259/image.png?ex=69d4e265&is=69d390e5&hm=6a0edbac86d04d719ccf0a1867b9a89d73f21415c757ab637a4e084a0f695344&

[gentle nova]

yeah they are usually a bit less undergeared

[rustic copper]

Max’s chat yesterday

[gentle nova]

lmao

[silk ice]

Was this from halondrus or before that

[rustic copper]

Idk I just saw his chat spamming it after Lura secret phase and thought it was funny

[primal cargo]

Holandrus is massive haha

but wait didnt blizz said sorry to world first guilds for making bosses hard and promised to make them esier for them in future before 2-3 expansions ?

[rustic copper]

Based

[primal cargo]

Echo going for the kill soon

[pulsar kettle]

6% wipe cuz gingi is a bald idiot

gg

[silk ice]

Who wiped them on the 11% pull that didn’t stand out with the star

[sudden rover]

is there a resto druid pov of the race pls?

[silk ice]

https://www.twitch.tv/nickc1

Nick looks completely exhausted

[primal cargo]

Bro healing wf from his bedroom like a true old school veteran

[sudden rover]

ty

[silk ice]

No guarantee it will be winners pov, echo has a couple of amazing pulls

[sudden rover]

ye but echo the druid is rycndetox and he doesnt stream on twitch sadly

[primal cargo]

the real question is with weak aura and other addons would it be dead by now ?

[daring summit]

they can 21st man it

would any people who play for fun want to do that though

i doubt even the sweatiest of gamers would want to sit out on a fight to 21st man it

[slow pasture]

Classic gingi dead

[sudden rover]

imagine this boss in pugs

[rustic copper]

No one is pugging this boss

[daring summit]

its always been a dream of mine to never look at any of the fights and then after turbo boost go in blind with a bunch of other dinguses who also want to do that and see how many pulls

[silk ice]

In 2 major patches it’ll be pugged for the mount

End of xpac type shit

[rustic copper]

[silk ice]

[daring summit]

[silk ice]

[tawny laurel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TyXnfkh7NGQYWaq9?fight=last&type=healing

Can someone take a look at this and give me some tips? I'm talking about 12 spire only, I see there was massive overheal, so that probably is not that great? Also, I was OOM like 2 or 3 times this run

[blissful apex]

Bullying my bestie smh

[molten gull]

I could see it being more interesting now than like.. back in classic. Gear/character progression is just so much less interesting now, so like.. who cares if you get drops really

But.. also wouldn't want to do it for a 100+pull boss in a raid haha

[lethal lichen]

can anyone yap about my myth logs? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/106272134
idk what need to do tbh

[thorn plover]

Read the common mistakes pin

[spark river]

Stop abusing your rejuvenation hotkey, press some regrowths. Lb is at 82%, should be over 90%. Swiftmend cpm is 3.7 which is low.

[lethal lichen]

thanks

[spark river]

You should also 2x potion of recklessness and not use mana pots in mythic.

[blissful apex]

Is this off rip and off cd?

[sudden rover]

is wowanalyzer legit regarding the analysis it produces?

[molten gull]

is abundance ramp + regrowth spam any less relevant in m+?

[grand herald]

Its pretty good yeah

[molten gull]

and does rejuv+germination add 2 stacks of abundance?

[thorn plover]

For raid yes

[grand herald]

You dont care about abundance in m+

[plain steeple]

Yes

[molten gull]

ok cool, do you not even take it?

[grand herald]

You do take it

[molten gull]

kk good

[thorn plover]

Yes you take it but you don't track it

[plain steeple]

Germination counts as a normal rejuv

[molten gull]

gotcha

thats what I've been doing.. obviously trying to keep up rejuv/germ before damage events, but i dont really pay attention to abundance

[grand herald]

Yeah thats pretty much overkill

Which is fine if you are learning

[molten gull]

SOTF procs are the big burst to pay attention to

yeah first season playing rdruid, played rsham in tww

[main timber]

If you press Swiftmend on CD during downtime you can have a ton of rejuvs just out for minimal investment

[whole horizon]

when you would press pots normally, lust or burn phase and then plan a 2nd usage if the fight is longer than 5 mins

but mana pots are still fine

[sudden rover]

can I have 95% uptime while letting lifebloom bloom? cause I was keeping it up the entire fight in raid, so that talent was useless. I just realized.

[molten gull]

Yeah I'm always a bit stressed that my sotf proc is going to run out. i feel like it shouldn't have such a short time limit

[grand herald]

That shouldn't even be a worry

You should be insta spending them

[main timber]

Just spend them on rejuv

[molten gull]

i mean sometimes its nice to 'bank' a sotf proc at the end ofa pull, no?

im talking m+

[wide rose]

swiftmend should go on the LB target the vast majority of the time right?

[grand herald]

It blooms from other sources than timing out

[main timber]

You can if it's in between pulls but just cast rejuv before it runs out

[wide rose]

that's something i forgot to ask

[whole horizon]

objectively you want stat pots if you know you can end the fight without running oom or if you planned ahead, but i bring mana pots for prog because you don't know if you'll need them or not

[main timber]

Rejuv lasts for so long - especially if you're playing wowhead build

[grand herald]

Its gcd efficient, yes

But if someone is about to die...

[wide rose]

i use it sometimes if someone is gonna die

yea

on non LB target

[molten gull]

Gotcha, so just send it. I'm really just worried that I'm going to forego the apex talent bloom that I might need to top a tank at the start of a pull

[whole horizon]

you're more likely banking it at the beginning of a pull, not the end of the previous one

[main timber]

You have plenty of options for tank healing anyway

[grand herald]

SM is pretty low cd

[whole horizon]

if youre ending a pull with sotf just use it to pre-hot your group going into the next

[main timber]

And yeah SM is up very often

[wide rose]

yea it is.

[molten gull]

I think my barkskin use needs improving

[wide rose]

i'm working on using it closer to cd

[daring summit]

Voulk I just wanted to tell you that you inspired me to make a discord bot that poop emoji reacts to everything

[main timber]

Very easy to get 100% crit chance on your regrowths on tank if that's your concern

[main timber]

kk

[wide rose]

sometimes like, i have to scramble my thinking and stop worrying about the perfect hps / gcd rotation and do whats absolutely needed to keep people alive right now

because if i dont regrowth the fuck now someone dies

[main timber]

If you are pressing a lot of buttons it's very unlikely you will lose anyone to healing until very high keys

[molten gull]

Yeah most of the time I lose someone it is because they a) did a stupid pull with 4+ debuffs going out and people aren't helping clear (freedom, tigers lust, etc), or someone stood in some bad

[main timber]

Remember to use Nature's Swiftness often too

[wide rose]

ive been working on that yep

it's a short cd too

[main timber]

If someone gets one shot, not much you can realistically do

[wide rose]

i realized i should be using every pack essentially

[main timber]

Debuffs you often can brute force through for quite a while

[molten gull]

had a tank pull 2 groups on pit the other day, and 2x slow debuffs and 2x curse goes out instantly and no one hits defensives.. yeah I can't do that

[wide rose]

another thing is dispells, some dispells aren't worth the gcd

but some are 100% worth

[molten gull]

meanwhile we had a monk and a ret pal and neither used tigers lust or freedom 🙁

[main timber]

Every wipe won't be your fault, but still fun to see how much of it you can carry with more healing

[wide rose]

i try to get most of them unless things are sketchy

[thorn plover]

Have you ever read your lifebloom ability?

[wide rose]

that's exactly why i love healing

i don't get frustrated when people make mistakes in mmos

[molten gull]

Yeah for sure. Fun to save pulls that someone did something catastrophically bad

[wide rose]

its more opportunites for skill expression for me

unless they are giga trolling or having a bad attitude or smt

[molten gull]

had a terrible group yesterday that I couldn't save and then a fantastic group who praised me for 'saving them when they made x mistake'.. im like yo you guys made my life so easy compared to my last group lol

[wide rose]

but recovering someone elses mistakes and keeping the run alive makes me feel like i bring more value than just the bare minimum to time the run

[molten gull]

100%

[gentle nova]

easy

[molten gull]

feelsgoodman

[thorn plover]

🐐

[frosty tree]

teach me da wae

[wide rose]

yea getting "yo good healing" after recovering a scuffed run is so nice

[frosty tree]

once gotten that as Dk from a tank "Thanks for the grips, made it easier for me". Im a dk player. Aspiring to be healer Welcome.

[whole horizon]

thank blizzard for allowing rdruid to do that 10x easier than every other spec

still just raw healing in 16s when every other class is pressing cds

[wide rose]

i need to study tanks to understand their kit better, who has what kicks etc

i wish danders frame had an option to have the class icons in the frames i don't know the colors LOL 🥀

[sudden rover]

Yes ty, please don't be patronizing. Is refreshing at the last second considered like a bloom?

[gentle nova]

yeah verdancy is a useless talent

but you cant path without it

so

nothing you can do

[sudden rover]

aight ty man

[molten gull]

Its tough when there is so much skill disparity across tanks. When played well, there are certain things to help you understand how they will need attention.. but then you play with a blood dk or monk who just falls over and you're like... I thought you aren't supposed to need that much attention ...

[wide rose]

yea i try to recover the worst performing tanks to the best of my ability but fuck its hard rn

[molten gull]

I'm thinking of dusting off my vdh with the slight buffs coming in. I know they're still not likely to be in a great spot, but vdh is so fun

[sudden rover]

that's why I'm asking if wowanalyzer is legit, because it says I should let it bloom to make use of Verdancy talent. Hence the question: if I refresh last second, yes I get a small heal on top, but is it considered "bloomed"

[wide rose]

the worst ive had is balance druids not pulling aggro

and my dps taking tons of autos

[molten gull]

Can't do much about that!

[wide rose]

just multiple runs of that in the same day idk

[molten gull]

Tell those dps to shadowmeld

[blissful apex]

Tyty

[main timber]

Yes refreshing in the last 4.5s is considered a bloom

Definitely give those guide rotation pages a read up because this is well covered

[sudden rover]

Aiiiight it all makes sense now, ty sir

Yeah tbh it's the first I'm hearing about wowanalyzer. Dope website

[wide rose]

i've been doing my best to refresh in the 4.5s window yea

[molten gull]

I always feel like when learning a class its fun best (for me) to read the basics, and then play it for like 5-10 hours, and then go back to read it since I have a better feel/understanding

[wide rose]

yea u gotta mix practice and theory

[thorn whale]

@grizzled seal @bright swift you played tree tonight?

[molten gull]

all the interactions of a class are fairly complex. its hard to grasp it all before you put it to work

[wide rose]

a lot of theory doesnt make sense until you hit a wall or have context

[molten gull]

Yeah, I think some people are better with that style of learning, but not me

[main timber]

Definitely agree it can be useful to skim -> play class -> read guide properly

[wide rose]

like if you dont get key information that will plateau your progress but also all the muscle memory comes in instance

[main timber]

There are just a lot of people that'll never do 1 or 3 and then ask 10 questions that are in the guide

[wide rose]

the real pressing button ability

[molten gull]

I need to work in real dps rotations now that I have that muscle memory

I have 3 macros for cat dps and i just press those lol

but i dont even know what they do, i just read imported them from a wowhead guide or something

[proven phoenix]

literally just playing the class a lot is the best u can do if u have the very basics down

[thorn whale]

phased u pulled Alleria with tree?

[proven phoenix]

yeah

[thorn whale]

how does it feel?

[wide rose]

i have to go back to work after a weekend of grinding keys and all i want to do is improve at resto lol🥀

[thorn plover]

I wasn't being patronizing... I'm telling you to do the most basic thing for your class in reading our abilities lol

[proven phoenix]

I think tree is very good on alleria

I will prob play tree on every boss now

[thorn whale]

I'm probably gonna do the same

[spark river]

tree supremacy

[sudden rover]

same. I was stupid playing convoke but those days are gone

[thorn whale]

it just feels wierd when I've only played for 2 tiers and it's only been convoke

[molten gull]

Yeh I'm at work right now being half productive lol

[grizzled seal]

I still have 15 mins of raid left

tune in

[thorn whale]

Tuning in

we got to 54%

I'm playing convoke rn tho

[whole horizon]

tree feels good but convoke still feels better

[wide rose]

im watching the race and artemis / yapping more than getting shit done

[whole horizon]

i dont think ill swap unless there's a gap in throughput

[sudden rover]

anyone got a raiding cooldown manager layout to share pls?

I only have mine for arenas

[grizzled seal]

we are bad tonight

[thorn whale]

I think we were too

[grizzled seal]

our best is 69

[thorn whale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aY9QqZ7r2dzfJpF6

We've had a few "Why am I dying with absorb on me??"

Idk bro maybe cause you have arrows + absorb and you're not saying anything

my frames are dogshit

welcome to midnight

[wide rose]

how hard is healing compared to the last few expansions would you guys say. im just curious

[pulsar kettle]

in keys its a joke

spec plays itself

raid is just different

[high hawk]

i think theyll be more resto nerfs in 1205

[pulsar kettle]

more? we didnt get nerfed at all

[thorn whale]

prepull refo nerf gg

[silk ice]

They’re nerfing the apex for m+ but buffing it for the real game mode

[wide rose]

i mean in general ignoring how strong resto is rn

[pulsar kettle]

apex change is a buff in keys

[wide rose]

because that might be patched yea

[silk ice]

Oh it’s a net positive for 5 people? Yikes

[pulsar kettle]

its an absurd buff

[high hawk]

going from 5 blooms to 3?

[silk ice]

Going from 2 targets to everyone

[pulsar kettle]

r4 isnt changing

2/3 splash is changing

[primal cargo]

where do u saw those changes ?

[high hawk]

i thought i saw frenzy was being reduced

[tough portal]

If the target scaling is split, it's probably a bigger buff in M+ than raid, if anything

If it's sqrt scaling then prob bigger buff in raid

[fervent mica]

.5 ptr notes

[rustic copper]

Sqrt smart healing

[waxen ingot]

Aint no way i got mythic hands 2nd raid week

with no splits

[rustic copper]

Ain’t no way

[waxen ingot]

[grizzled kayak]

watching the race to world first and noticed gingi friendly nameplates show name with colors. Blizzard default is a bar (like a health bar) and platter wont allow to customize in dungeons. anyknow know what is he using ?

[waxen ingot]

logged 22 on the kill as well

[waxen ingot]

[tough portal]

This is just a console variable

[grizzled kayak]

what is that

[tough portal]

nameplateShowFriendlyClassColor

Type in game
/console nameplateShowFriendlyClassColor 1

And uh there's prob another one for name-only

[oak garnet]

You can use better blizz plates to make nameplate text Class colored, make the healthbar hidden or 0 alpha and do this @grizzled kayak

[grizzled kayak]

so basically have to run that every time I log in ?

[oak garnet]

No

[tough portal]

Plater should have in the settings the Cvar options for base nameplates too

[grizzled kayak]

will this work in dungeons ?

[cyan minnow]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/harreks-advanced-nameplates this addon is good

[tough portal]

Shouldn't need a 2nd nameplate addon

[oak garnet]

It will be small ish so you'll need to play with the scale a bit

[grizzled kayak]

platter change it yes but not in dungeons

[oak garnet]

I use class colored names no nameplates like this for m+ yes

[grizzled kayak]

would like to look like this

[strange wren]

Plater does do this- I use Jundies profile and it has name colours like this

[tough portal]

Right, addons cant apply their customizations in instances, but they can set console variables, Plater probably has those options.

[oak garnet]

Yeah just do this imo

[tough portal]

Downloading a 2nd nameplate addon just for this would create errors/conflict

[oak garnet]

Use jundies profile that's prob easiest and it'll make Class colored names

[bright swift]

I'm a 3 day gamer

Wed/Thur/Sun

[oak garnet]

I use platynator and bbp and have 0 issues

Or conflicts. But I basicslly just use bbp for the friendly nameplate font changes

[undone linden]

what addon is that

for ur party

[craggy blaze]

so probably a dumb question, but i just accidentally did a key in raid spec (keeper of the grove) and it felt super nice

[tough portal]

Probably MiniCC

[craggy blaze]

it was just a weekly 10 though, does grove do worse in higher keys?

[oak garnet]

Pete defensive history

Petes defensive history

[tough portal]

It wouldnt be a lower or higher key thing, it just adds less healing in 5-man groups

[oak garnet]

@undone linden

[high hawk]

for 1205, will the changes to the rank 2 apex talent still be a buff if rank 3 is nerfed?

[grizzled kayak]

would you mind to share a cpiture of your advance options in platers

[main timber]

How can we say without knowing what size a nerf they'd do?

[craggy blaze]

i felt like everyone was so comfy when i was a tree

and i was always a tree lol

[undone linden]

tyyy

[craggy blaze]

not panic healing like convoke, but i didnt need it

[tough portal]

KOTG doesnt change anything regarding your Incarn uptime

[oak garnet]

Don't thank me thank yoda I got it from him

[thorn plover]

What does keeper have to do with being a tree

[craggy blaze]

gotcha, so maybe i just prefer incarn lol

[tough portal]

If you played differently by just perma casting heals on people then that's different than the hero talent swap

[rustic copper]

Incarn ._.

It’s cool to be able to move while casting regrowth

[thorn plover]

Incarn in keys is definitely a decision

[rustic copper]

But it doesn’t boost your healing output by as much as you’d expect

[craggy blaze]

ok, iunno what it was but it just felt easier

[thorn plover]

You probably just had a less shit group

[craggy blaze]

very possible

does it do anything for rejuv uptime?

[slow pasture]

Tree doesnt has that much in m+ only mobility

[craggy blaze]

bc it just felt like i had a way easier time keeping up my abundance stacks

[tough portal]

@grizzled kayak It's in the first page, top left, Hide Blizzard Health Bars and Class-Color Blizzard Names

[high hawk]

say going from 5 to 3

[slow pasture]

Just less mana cost. Nothing with duration

[craggy blaze]

weird

well good to know

[strange wren]

Will when o get to the pc- won’t be for a bit though- organising kids breakfast n stuff

[grizzled seal]

I liked tree on alleria @thorn whale

idk about convoke

[rustic copper]

That does tree do

[bright swift]

How far did you get

[rustic copper]

Which parts specifically does it help for

[thorn whale]

Convoke felt fine to me

[gentle nova]

intermissioN LOLLLLLLLLL

[proven phoenix]

yeah I think im just playing tree as well on that boss

[grizzled seal]

did a clean p2 and died in the start of p3

[grizzled seal]

nothing specific but neither does convoke

[thorn whale]

Same

but idk both feels fine honestly

I'm not smart enough to know difference

[grizzled seal]

we had 3 people literally crit error on the jump

was a nice end to the raid

[wise eagle]

incarn bugging for anyone else? just doesn't let me cast it

[thorn whale]

our setup is

rsham, hpal, disc priest and me

i am not having a great time

but also having a great time

[fervent mica]

SAMEEEEE

except theres also a dragon that cycles in...

[graceful belfry]

gg's liquid

[grizzled seal]

blizzard is so lazy they dont even bother putting numbers on nerfs

what the fuck is this man

"greatly reduced"

[pulsar kettle]

wait did this literally just get pushed

[thorn whale]

Next reset no?

[pulsar kettle]

oh ok

[grizzled seal]

yeah next reset

[pulsar kettle]

i thought they timed the article with liquid killing it

[rain oyster]

how high is the chance they push it early for eu again?

also is the hp nerf not really annoying? dont you push shortly before 2 minutes right now?

[grizzled seal]

useful for the second phase

[rain oyster]

yeah true

[grizzled seal]

can also just not use cds and push too

[gentle nova]

Echo needs new talent

Gingi is so washed

[grizzled seal]

They are splitting talent between themselves and method

Sorta

If they just pooled the best players from both they'd have a much higher floor

[slow pasture]

Mattiu new mage of echo

[spark river]

yeah I have no reason why gub wasnt the mage on this boss

[slow pasture]

If they came as 20 during the 6% pull

[spark river]

or arxes

[slow pasture]

Could have been the kill

[spark river]

Both are better than gingi

I feel like hes in the raid only because scripe is used to his pov now

[urban kestrel]

Hey they poached cere for some insane amount but I'm still not really sure why they lobbed Phil, but they've been doing p good regardless

[slow pasture]

1.1

[thorn plover]

They don't even know, they just pushed buttons and sent it

[gentle nova]

The other disc is just gapped in every class he has played

Get zaelia

[fallen compass]

They had him a lost him didn't they?

[thorn whale]

Lost him is not really correct

Kicked him

[gentle nova]

Xdd

[fallen compass]

He's gone, I wasn't being specific.

[thorn whale]

Idk Liquid just always finds the numbers in the end

[gentle nova]

Spitting?

[pulsar kettle]

[spark river]

well zaelia getting kicked is controversial to say the least

And not for echo btw

[gentle nova]

For whom

[spark river]

Well for himself

There were some personal reasons

[deft smelt]

Those that raid on MW monk as well, which do you feel is more complicated?

[spark river]

monk literally has 2 buttons now

[deft smelt]

Aside from the gift build lol

[thorn whale]

Plays kinda similar to rdruid, but is less punishing if you fuck up

so Rdruid I would say

for sure

[grizzled seal]

Druid has to hard cast more

Maybe in that sense?

[deft smelt]

Due to no hard hitting single target heal?

[grizzled seal]

Monk can do it on the move

[urban kestrel]

Monk has 4 buttons you press em about equally.

[thorn whale]

No it's more about how you jungle your abundance stacks and set them up for a solid plant where you RG spam, without being able to move

[grizzled seal]

80% of your globals are single target heals lol

[thorn whale]

so much more positional awareness while playing well

[deft smelt]

The main issue im having on monk compared to tree is monk hot has charges lol

[blissful apex]

Zaelia sucks full stop.

[thorn whale]

What about that leaves you with issues?

[blissful apex]

And I don’t mean as a healer

[gentle nova]

Hes one of the best wow healers imo

[deft smelt]

Feels like its harder to prep for incoming damage windows

[blissful apex]

Too bad he’s a terrible person 😮‍💨

[thorn whale]

That's probably a monk discord kinda issue

I don't think it's harder

To answer your original qeustion

[deft smelt]

Yeah im in there, just wanted druids perspective

[urban kestrel]

I think try and conduit and yulon are much easier to line up to prep for dmg, you have a lot of choices with mw

But both are practically always be sending classes atm

[deft smelt]

Yeah

[daring summit]

is the race over

[urban kestrel]

If you wanna prep go to a gay bar or go disc

[hardy canopy]

💀

[urban kestrel]

Yeah liquid kill then echo 1% wipe 10 min later

[lethal pumice]

Is there any macro that allows you to swap to cat form (or any form) and back out without using 2 globals? Looking for the fastest way to break chains of subjugation

[thorn whale]

Rake and rejuv

[fervent mica]

just cast a heal from cat

[thorn whale]

Fluidform

[scenic magnet]

Just cast rejuv from cat?

[fallen compass]

Canceling a form doesn't use a global does it?

[gentle nova]

Its one global yeah

[hardy canopy]

just be in cat form when it goes out

then wild growth rejuv

[cerulean stratus]

so lame we didnt kill paladins today

[blissful apex]

Cancel form doesn’t use a global but cast form does?

I think

[lyric surge]

Correct

[rain oyster]

depending on the situation you can prevent that gcd with fluid form

[urban kestrel]

Yeah if you're just casting Starfire or w/e anyways or throw incap

[maiden flicker]

hey guys blizzard basic healer buffs tracking is awful, what addon are you guys using for tracking those on frames?

[scenic magnet]

Most peeps are using grid2 or danders

[maiden flicker]

was checking on danders but on curseforge there are many complaints about it

[hardy canopy]

any addon you check is gonna have complaints, mostly from user fault / ppl who can't read

danders is the easiest to setup imo

[waxen ingot]

Any tips for paladins

feels like dmg phases last so long

u just have to stop healing at some point and cast rejuv again

[torn thunder]

the countdown on screen for CDs that echo and liquid has in raid - is there any addon public for that? Was it Viserios the WA used to be named?

[thorn whale]

What answer are you looking for

@waxen ingot

Raidwide coverage or

[torn thunder]

I want timers for my own CDs

So I can make notes and then have it show up when I get to them

[tawny laurel]

Is this good for heroic Chimaerus or is it worthless if it's not mythic?

[whole horizon]

you can use MRT or NSRT to display CD timers using your own notes, or import notes from others

[waxen ingot]

Honestly im unsure do i just not heal absorbs

and ramp up

[whole horizon]

NSRT works with Viserio/wowutils, MRT works with other things. lorrgs can export to either.

[thorn whale]

Nooo you definitely want absorbs

[cerulean stratus]

whats ur comp

[waxen ingot]

im kinda in this spot

and im already down to 6 rejuvs

and been healing from like a 24 rejuv ramp + tranq

and SOTF Rejuv off cd

[whole horizon]

anything > 95 generally indicates you can play your class decently. that's it. it can also be an indictment of your skill because you can parse high and still play poorly.

[thorn whale]

Mhm my vod might be public

One sec

I’m in bed so

[ember folio]

Cohealer parse buff

[thorn whale]

I sent you the vod @waxen ingot

[waxen ingot]

ty ty

[thorn whale]

I took a shield to the face and my treants moonfired the boss and got me silenced

But elsewise I play semi ok

[ember folio]

Lol, treants are agents of the enemy

[waxen ingot]

idk this has to be my worst tier so far

well parse wise

[pastel dragon]

after more playing in 14/15s i think i do prefer harmonious bloom over natures bounty or two TV, especially when procing apex talent blooms it feels so good

[thorn whale]

I’m gonna run it down with tree next week

[waxen ingot]

Is tree less hps if not perfect play

Or well

[thorn whale]

I just feel less comfortable

So I heal less

[waxen ingot]

is it harder to play it

idk i played tree whole night

and idk am i trollingor not

[thorn whale]

Nah I think tree is perfectly fine

[waxen ingot]

so hard to even tell when my HPS / my co healers hps change so sfucking much between pulls

i cant even tell

[vivid peak]

I've never played tree so way worse for me :D

[thorn whale]

Same

[pastel dragon]

playing tree in raid feels more difficult for me when i dont know the fight as well, but feels great on some fights when i have a solid plan

[thorn whale]

Hmm idk just different

[cinder pike]

any recommendation for how to get a sound alert when lifebloom enters the pandemic window?

[pastel dragon]

LifebloomAlert on curse forge

[waxen ingot]

would u be down to look at my vod / log since tbh i cant tell whats making me heal so little

compared to before

[thorn whale]

Yeah I can look Wednesday

Or maybe tomorrow

[ember folio]

Check out wcl compare feature lexa

[waxen ingot]

its not that

[cinder pike]

ty

[ember folio]

I used to find it handy for spotting clues

[waxen ingot]

my casts / ramps / cpm bla bla is very close to like "top druids". Or well im not good enaugh to find the actual mistakes

even looking at my vod

[ember folio]

Ahh

[cerulean stratus]

r u sure thats true

[ember folio]

When in doubt, blame cohealers sniping (not real advice)

[waxen ingot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6g82YbMCDhNnatJW?fight=28&type=casts&source=215

[ember folio]

[cerulean stratus]

why do you never spend sm sotf on regrowth

[waxen ingot]

Extending the abundance window ig?

should i do it

during rg spam

[thorn whale]

Depends on how long of a rejuv window you have left. Rule of thumb is rejuv but RG can be good

[waxen ingot]

Sometimes i do it

but its like

[cerulean stratus]

you have plenty of ocassions for sm rg

absorbs

aoe hit

[waxen ingot]

90% - 10

ill try going for more SW RG

[cerulean stratus]

rejuv is good but

i started leaning more towards regrowth lately

[thorn whale]

I’ll look more Tuesday/Wednesday if you send me a log/vod

I don’t lean towards RG

[cerulean stratus]

this was my 7%

[gentle nova]

Youll never do healing with that comp

Pretty unlucky

[waxen ingot]

:(

[thorn whale]

Mattiu the doomer

[thorn plover]

Realist*

[cerulean stratus]

what udoing mattiu

[thorn plover]

I've never see mattiu say anything doomer

[cerulean stratus]

i haven't seen u in the top for abit

[deft oar]

are there any vods of aleria healing as rdruid? a kill or decent prog if possible

[peak charm]

What comp and why ?

[gentle nova]

Im casual now bou

[thorn whale]

No

[deft oar]

[cerulean stratus]

naenia went casual

now you

[thorn whale]

If you just want movement I think mafre from FSY has a really good vod

[waxen ingot]

btw ill be honest mattiu was so nice and helpfull towards everyone since midnight started

[peak charm]

Druid buffs when ?

[waxen ingot]

like every msg i saw from him for so nice

[thorn whale]

When you grow hands

Ragebait type shit

[cerulean stratus]

mattiu helped me get a 98 on tindral

[thorn whale]

I need sleep

Alleria 54% shit boss

[waxen ingot]

all i have left in my life is going heroic log runs with friends and chasing that 100log

im a dirty green logger in mythic

[thorn whale]

I hit a rank 2 on Vaelgor… rank 1 was 3 healing

I just can’t get it

It’s impossible

[gentle nova]

Theres just not enough damage in the first bosses

And evoker disc will just soak it all

😹

[cerulean stratus]

might suggest my rl to 3 heal some bosses

[thorn whale]

Just beat em when it matters

Wind chime

[gentle nova]

Youll do good on paladins by padding all the healing on yourself

[cerulean stratus]

more vault slots for dps

[gentle nova]

: )

[thorn whale]

Definitely do this

[cerulean stratus]

lowkey i been beating my mw on heal absorbs

[gentle nova]

Spec is just trash this tier

Not relevant at all

Just go next

Maybe the tier bonus next tier will make us op

[thorn whale]

Alright mattiu time for bed

[waxen ingot]

but what did i do soo different here to have extra 30k hps at 4 mins

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6g82YbMCDhNnatJW?fight=10&type=healing

ah nvm i see what i did

i mind controled my priest

[thorn plover]

.5 apex

[waxen ingot]

into not clickign buttons

[gentle nova]

Like i was doing m chim and i thiouhjt it was gonnabe a cool fight for drui

Got paired with disc

The raid hp didntmove

Between me and him spamming

Just not fun

[cerulean stratus]

i managed to beat my disc

[thorn whale]

Honestly I hate alleria, but it’s also kinda fun

[cerulean stratus]

my purple parse was a green one for him

[thorn whale]

Paladins were okay too

[gentle nova]

I can beat him but theres just no damage to parse high

[cerulean stratus]

#crazy

[waxen ingot]

as i said

80% of the fight is 2 heal

and than 20% of the fight is 3/4 heal

so u just endup not healing shit for 80% of the fights

[gentle nova]

Yeah healing design this tier is shit

[cerulean stratus]

yea unless your comp is formed of

[gentle nova]

Not even beloren looks fun as druid lmao

[cerulean stratus]

hpals rshams hpriests

[waxen ingot]

i watched nick play

[gentle nova]

Lura looks fun and even then rdruid isnt the greatest thing

[waxen ingot]

he looked suicidal

[cerulean stratus]

hope convoke ends up being better or equal on that

i cant play without ms

[gentle nova]

You go up on details on intermission just because theres healing absorbs and it double counts in details

[thorn whale]

Hmmmm

[gentle nova]

Honestly the most fun fight to heal this tier has to be nexus king 😹

[cerulean stratus]

i think its paladins

[gentle nova]

Lura looks fun

I havent done it yet

But in paladins you are just padding hps on you

[cerulean stratus]

class does what class does best

[gentle nova]

Doesnt seem fun

Pad?

[cerulean stratus]

self

[gentle nova]

Also the fact that u can 6 heal a boss without punishment is so dumb

[cerulean stratus]

tru

[distant birch]

Paladins will be fun as 4 heal

[cerulean stratus]

guilds starting to move to 5 rn

[gentle nova]

They should just lock in the comp to 2 4 14

The moment a boss looks challenging and fun to heal it can just be brute force healed and still meet the dps

[wide rose]

ok i found my wowlogs, i cast wayyy too many rejuvs i need to regrowth more. i think im concerning myself about mana too much maybe

or trying to keep up full dots on everyone too much

its just nice to have that layer when packs do huge degens on the whole party

[distant birch]

Yeah it is annoying tbh

[grand herald]

if you are concerned about mana youll cast less RJs

not more

[wide rose]

yea i guess with the mastery

[distant birch]

Why am i even upgrading my gear if we will 4 heal a boss that was 3 healed 3 weeks ago

[wide rose]

rejuvs end up being more than regrowths

[gentle nova]

To heal the damage faster than your disc

[grand herald]

not mastery

[cerulean stratus]

he is

[grand herald]

you mean abundance?

[cerulean stratus]

the disc

[wide rose]

yes

that's what i meant

the passive

[grand herald]

our mastery is more healing on someone the more hots we have on them

[gentle nova]

To leave the other healers nothing to heal

[wide rose]

yea sorry not 100% on all the wow terms

i meant abundance mana cost reduction on regrowth yea

[grand herald]

but also, RG is going to be more relevant healing than RJ often

so even with smaller Abundance numbers

you want to rely on RG more

you are often losing a lot of value in RJs from overhealing

you only need enough RJs to get the mastery/healing you need for a damage event

[wide rose]

yea most of the value of regrowth is upfront too

[grand herald]

like, you can often rely on just your Swiftmend SOTF rjs

to give you the oomph you need

[wide rose]

thats a way to put it that makes sense yea

[deft oar]

allo tem can i have a log review if anyone could be so kind, kinda new to the spe still so unsure at what times to start ramps so im kinda always ramping lowkey (probs a big issue i know)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4tnLk187V2cbBGq6?fight=13%2C13&type=healing&source=14

[wide rose]

i have like 2:1 rejuv to RG ratio rn, ill work on that

i think i have a reflex of using instant casts for movement too

from ff

im not sure if wow has slidecasting seems like you cast or you don't in this game

[grand herald]

looks like you just arent casting enough

a sum total of 30 CPM of RG/RJ is kinda low

your SM/WG uptime is decent tho

same for LB and ToL

[deft oar]

my stats are a bit fucked atm, only 24%

[deft oar]

as in theyre good here or bad

[grand herald]

your LB uptime is solid

your ToL uptime is good too

you should also be using recklessness pots instead of mana pots

with ToL build you shouldnt be having mana probs

and recklessness is a ton of thoroughput

[deft oar]

my mana is kaput this fight tho

maybe i need to go MS

[grand herald]

cast more RGs

[wide rose]

how far is a yd in wow?

[grand herald]

you should have an almost equal amount of RG casts as you have RJ casts

[wide rose]

this is wowanalyzer's wild growth tooltip

i didn't realize there was a short range to it

[grand herald]

its not a short range

[cerulean stratus]

if ur new to the spec

whyd u untalent ms

[grand herald]

the short range is on sotf spread

[deft oar]

good question tbh

[grand herald]

WG spread is pretty big

[thorn plover]

go to a target dummy

[wide rose]

i guess i have a lot of red casts from overheal

[thorn plover]

and see when you cant hit it anymore

[wide rose]

fair enough

[waxen ingot]

nick is the one of the best healers in the wrold and he is also having issues with mana sometimes ngl

[grand herald]

are you using wow analyzer on m+ logs?

[wide rose]

is that bad

[grand herald]

its not really meant for M+

[wide rose]

oh i see ok

[waxen ingot]

its hard to check m+ logs with it

or in general

since so many things can go different

depening on pull / cc / defensives / classes / etc etc

[wide rose]

hmhm i'm comparing my log to what people do a few tiers above that run

[grand herald]

even then

each m+ run is so unique

that you cant 1 to 1 compare

[thorn plover]

its not meant to analyze dungeon content

[waxen ingot]

Well it should look simmular in some spots

like u can do it

but do it with a grain of salt

[thorn plover]

like dont take advice from it in m+

[wide rose]

like clearely i have too many rejuvs lol that's already useful i didn't realize

also i wanted to check LB uptime

[waxen ingot]

i wouldnt say

[wide rose]

but in dungeons its weird?

[thorn plover]

is that an m+ log?

[waxen ingot]

u have too many rejuvs

[wide rose]

yes

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a7bY8T3JGf46Bzwh?fight=2&type=healing&source=164

ill just link it

[waxen ingot]

this is the gihest timed academy by a resto druid

[wide rose]

what does that mean

[thorn plover]

keep in mind half those rejuvs are fake

[wide rose]

ohh

[waxen ingot]

your germination rejuvs

count double

[thorn plover]

only on the casts tab

on healing tab its correct

heres mine on a 16 pit

[waxen ingot]

but like you can heal a dungeon by clickign differently than others to a decently big extent

like a druid can meet the heal check in many ways

[wide rose]

you have to react to whats happening anyway yea

[wide rose]

wdym by gihest?

[grand herald]

highest

[waxen ingot]

oh sorry

highest

[wide rose]

ohh

i was like fuck more wow lingo

ok yea i guess i shouldnt take conclusions

i mean i timed it nobody died

[waxen ingot]

unlike raid

u r not competing with anyone

but a timer

[thorn plover]

yeah youre over analyzing it a bit'

[waxen ingot]

and if you manage to beat the timer you did fine

the higher key you do the less mistakes u will be able to make

[wide rose]

hmhm i really want to improve and i took a break today after slamming m+ all week

[waxen ingot]

so ngl the best way to imporve is just to play

[wide rose]

so i was looking over things im doing, control scheme, understanding spells better etc

[wide rose]

for sure

[waxen ingot]

im currently progging 18s with friends

when i look at my vod

people die cause i made 1 gcd mistake

and i learn from it

[wide rose]

im grabbing some friends who also are pushing

[waxen ingot]

and go again

[wide rose]

i dont mind pugging because its like

a good teaching space

[thorn plover]

ya vods seem a lot more useful than logs in m+ to me

[wide rose]

i found someone streaming resto druid finally

[grand herald]

the only mistake that really matters is letting someone die

mana efficiency and dps is just minor improvements

[waxen ingot]

there is a few very good ones atm

[wide rose]

she's in 15s 16s already learning stuff

arifae?

[waxen ingot]

https://www.twitch.tv/lairas_

i recommend her ngl

she is very chill

and helpfull

[wide rose]

and vick's vods

[polar lichen]

you cant watch streamers who are too good. youll tune in trying to see how they handle a tricky damage phase and when you get there they're in cat form while messing with their plater config at the same time and it just works out

[waxen ingot]

and well she is also top 5 EU

[wide rose]

thanks

[wide rose]

YEA THEY CAT FORM SO MUCH

[waxen ingot]

thats the fun part of the druid

not healing

[wide rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuFufdVOQLc&t=730s

[waxen ingot]

:P

[wide rose]

that first pull

[waxen ingot]

those are very easy

u just clikc stuff

random buttons

very little to fuck up

the smaller packs where u cant burn all cds is the hard part

[wide rose]

bro i have seen tanks do terrorism on that pull

i started putting hots and shadowmelding

[waxen ingot]

well its a hard tank pull

[thorn plover]

first pull AA is so fun

[waxen ingot]

they need to kite

the bleed

[wide rose]

ppl were body pulling

[fervent mica]

only ever having to heal the tank is meh

on that first pull...

[wide rose]

i always hate to jump to blame a tank im trying to see what i can do to fix the situation

but like at times

[thorn plover]

can just dps that first pull

[fervent mica]

lol... or you can spam reg on the tank cuz they're just dying. smile

[grand herald]

its ok blaming tanks is a wow player tradition

[thorn plover]

if a tank dies its their own fault

[wide rose]

it's funny because there has been at least 1 run where i KNOW i fucked up and the party flamed the tank instead

[waxen ingot]

first blame the tank

than look at your own mistake

life is easier that way

[wide rose]

[fervent mica]

i wouldn't complete a single key if i subscribed to that

[waxen ingot]

he ment

on 1st pull in aa

and tbh its dps mistake

and not tank

since if dps dont focus 1 lasher

[wide rose]

do you guys mean the pull doesn't hurt much

[waxen ingot]

tank just dies

[fervent mica]

bad dps means that pull lasts forever

[waxen ingot]

only thing that hurts in tha pull is bleed tank gets

[wide rose]

i dont rly know what to do that pull because my experience varied so widely

[waxen ingot]

and it stakcs up

[thorn plover]

that pull doesnt hurt at all except for the last 10 seconds of it

[waxen ingot]

and most tanks cant tank over 4 of them

[wide rose]

ok i see

[thorn plover]

if the dps doesnt focus the lashers its gg

[waxen ingot]

so tanks have to kite

[thorn plover]

and usually they dont

[waxen ingot]

to lose the stakcs

but if the pull lasts too long

they just cant kite anymore

and thats usually dps issue

[thorn plover]

kiting sucks too because they arent self healing etc when theyre kiting

[waxen ingot]

best thing u can do that pull is

[wide rose]

i wish i could see my tier 11 run logged but the actual log doesnt show

the tank did insane pulls on that

[waxen ingot]

cat convoke + feral frenzy 1 lasher

that everyone is focusing

u can do like 2 mil dps to it

and it will help alot more

than overhealing people "just in case"

[wide rose]

ok i'll try to do that

still prehotting the tank and LB swift prepull right

like ofc

[waxen ingot]

eh

u dont have to

u can just LB - REJUV - SW - REJUV - RG -RG - WG

and get everzone 3 + mastery stacks

in 6 gcds

after tank gets agro

[wide rose]

ok

[waxen ingot]

( dont follow the exact buttones i told u)

[wide rose]

i think i'll be more chill with experience

[thorn plover]

i lb lb rej rej rej rej sw stealth

lol

[waxen ingot]

u can do it in any way

[wide rose]

why lb twice?

[waxen ingot]

u can stack i tup

[thorn plover]

extend it

and stack it

[wide rose]

[waxen ingot]

u dont want to do that very often tho

it stacks on its own

its the apex telent

[wide rose]

i thought it overwrote?

[thorn plover]

i only do it on that and seat pre pulls

[wide rose]

thanks for all the tips yea im prolly over analyzing at this point
maybe i'll log and find the logs where i couldn't keep the tank alive and analyze thoses

[waxen ingot]

these birds are demonic

i hate this pull

[thorn plover]

pull everything up, and when they start doing that run back down

ez pull

[waxen ingot]

kappa

my dk dies

[wide rose]

was that just damage or he got yeeted

[waxen ingot]

in 2 seconds

if he does that

[thorn plover]

dks cant die

quit lying

[waxen ingot]

dmg

[waxen ingot]

[fervent mica]

literal paper.

[thorn plover]

i get it, my tank is a dh

might be worse this season tbh

a good brew makes the run so easy

[bright swift]

that last boss cranks

I swear

that dot is not ok

[waxen ingot]

I ran out of mana

on every boss

[bright swift]

lol

[opaque maple]

if i have to roar mid reforestation proc theres no way of getting back into tree right?

[waxen ingot]

yup

[waxen ingot]

i find 2nd boss

lasers

to be very hard too

[bright swift]

That too yeah

[waxen ingot]

i dont know how do non druids deal with that

[bright swift]

Druid feels so good for m+

Proccing apex 4

we call it a big boom

[waxen ingot]

imagine

12.0.5

[bright swift]

I'm imagining

[waxen ingot]

but if i saw it right

bloom = everyone gets healed

even in raid?

[pulsar kettle]

ye

scaling down past 5t

[fervent mica]

bloom bombs

[waxen ingot]

can u stil tringer it

with SW

sotf

[fervent mica]

should be? nothing shows a change in that

[gentle nova]

in .5 the build is gonna be so werid

XD

[peak jay]

For mythic vorasius, thoughts on lb vs no lb build?

[fervent mica]

every build uses lb <_<

if you mean apex talents... its close enough that you can do with whichever you prefer

[peak jay]

I meant apex yeah

[bright swift]

yeah and that without MS

wtf do you drop for MS

[gentle nova]

embrace

[bright swift]

oh you have embrace

nice

oh no reforest

uh yeah I can see it

but with tree?

[fervent mica]

make one of your dps reroll owl and take innervate... <_<

[gentle nova]

i think tree is dead, convoke will proc 5-15 blooms

lol

[wide rose]

oh yet another question, should i be looking to refresh LB at sub 4.5s left to proc the extra heal, ive been consciously doing that

[bright swift]

oh yeah

that makes sense

[wide rose]

or is it more situational

we want maximum uptime anyway

so refreshing between 0 and 4.5s seems ideal?