resto

[edgy basalt]

and I wish I could ge tthe mouse cooldowns again, I had those from weakauras

But Grid2 is so much better than default ui for clarity

[sonic mason]

Thanks you

Very bad tooltip FR

[plain steeple]

The german version of the game also has some horrible translation errors a lot of times.
That’s why I switched to an English client.

[static tiger]

zz now if you cast reforestation too early in a pull aka like 2 seconds in sometimes it doesn't register

[quiet wyvern]

raid ?

[thorn whale]

Yeah it happens on paladins quite a lot

Sometimes even more than 2s

Was great

[urban kestrel]

they might have set it to 'combat' instead of 'raid combat' which also might mean you can stack it by taunting a critter, will play around with it and check

[quiet wyvern]

you mean the stack gained or ?

[thorn whale]

Yeah I figure that's what they mean

[quiet wyvern]

best to clarify but yeah i assume so

[polar lichen]

Rétablissement slaps as a spell name, damn

hell yeah. i imagine croissant sausage a french kind of hot dog.

[spark river]

You should see german logs

Verjüngung goes hard

[severe radish]

Hey guys, any good trinket from firelands?

[primal cargo]

so best is to wait the vault after 2 days and if no wep i craft wep right ?

[thorn whale]

Yeah sure might as well wait at this point

[sudden rover]

sup guys, can someone review my logs on crown hc and tell me what im doing wrong? I'm only at 102k hps on the entire fight (we killed) but surely I can go higher? really eager to learn how to get more hps out

[half timber]

Does anyone use ElvUI or do you stick to the Blizzard UI or use other UI Addons like ToxicUI, Muleyo UI etc?

[spark river]

Send log

[thorn plover]

👀

[spark river]

Im so ready

[sudden rover]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x7n9jpC2fXy8MYND?type=summary&fight=30

[spark river]

42 cpm

You re not clicking buttons

[thorn plover]

On quick glance I'm feeling you got ripped off

[spark river]

Yeah its a decent log, he just doesnt press enough buttons

[sudden rover]

idk im pressing buttons like crazy

but ok it might be this

[grizzled seal]

If you have less than 50 cpm you are semi afk

[sudden rover]

i had the arrows to do etc, lot of shit to do

[spark river]

We all do

[grizzled seal]

You can cast while doing arrows

[spark river]

And still hit 55 cpm

[grizzled seal]

Everyone does this

[sudden rover]

ok so thats my issue got it

ty

where do u see cpm btw

so i can check later

[thorn plover]

Casts tab

But you have to subtract germ casts, as they double count

[sudden rover]

k ty

[lament river]

Got this trinket its bis right?

[sudden rover]

how lucky are you

i would say very lucky

[thorn plover]

Me rocking my hero delve trinket 👍

[real carbon]

Be honest, did you pay to have someone give you the trinket?

I'm just being facetious, congratulations

[lament river]

Nope won it

[sudden rover]

i've been playing with only one embellishment on my gear this entire time

fucking stupid mofo

[real carbon]

Then you are blessed by the RNG Gods. It is better to be lucky than good, so the saying goes.

[spark river]

Me too lmao

[crude nebula]

for the bgs weekly

for the neck

is it faster to do normal bgs

or the training grounds against bots

[tough portal]

Not sure, there's no overlap between people that did it in regular bgs and people that did it vs bots

Presumably vs bots you dont run the risk of losing a game so it's prob faster if you arent winning much in regular pvp

Man this is just a supremely boring part of the race innit

[thorn whale]

It was crazy exciting last night

I’m guessing it will be again tonight

[tough portal]

Nothing happening for 3 hours

[thorn whale]

If it’s killable

[thorn whale]

Yeah it’s just chain wiping atm

Honestly those star constellations are such a bad mechanic

Visual is horrible

[primal cargo]

whisper of duskwrath from nexus does something good

?

[exotic quail]

Hi, for our two gear crafts we use in both of them arcanoweave lining for embelishment right?

[normal jetty]

As someone new to both Druid healing and running M+ in general, would it be better to run the Keeper M+ build and get comfortable healing and possibly transition to Wildstalker down the road?

[spark river]

No

[storm kettle]

No, you should always play ws in dungeons and keeper in raid

[spark river]

Its the same gameplay

Wildstalker just does more healing in smaller groups

[sudden rover]

darkmoon sigil hunt on weapon + one arcanoweave lining on belt/wrist/whatever

[primal cargo]

haste stacking is mainly for dps or healing in m+?

[exotic quail]

i got myth weap haste/mastery from vault so i will be crafting two gear slots

[cinder pike]

can Crucible of Erratic Energies appear in the vault since it's a world drop?

[sudden rover]

then yes both arcanoweave lining

[exotic quail]

cool thanks!

[thorn whale]

Both

[primal cargo]

i just think something if u have hero wep 6/6 and 2 arcanoweave isnt intelect buff same as mythic wep ? i mean till u get from vault wep or get sparks

[normal jetty]

Ok thanks. Wasn't sure how much the hero talents would make a difference. I don't want to plan on doing any DPS untill I know i can keep my group up

[sudden rover]

am I the only one that finds master shapeshifter quite useless in raid?

[limpid jacinth]

You can gear however you like but having a myth weapon as early as possible is really important for pushing

[spark river]

Debatable. On shorter fights it isnt of much use. You ll also have less mana, the more you press the buttons.

[vivid rover]

Hey guys is there any way to track incarn when you haven't talented incarn but are triggering it through reforestation

[sudden rover]

yeah I mean i was oom on crown hc at the end but the other bosses not a chance

so yeah I think I have to change depending on bosses

[thorn whale]

It’s useless until it isn’t

👍🏼

[mellow mauve]

how are you guys dealing with mana during raid? I use lightfused mana potion but on heroic fights go on and mana gets real bad

[spark river]

Abundance usage is vital

[primal cargo]

at what point dps of healer is important in current m+ state

[thorn plover]

Shouldn't need to use mana pots, they're very bad.
If you're having mana issues you are likely rejuving too much when you should be casting regrowth

[mellow mauve]

ok thank you I did think this was the issue - i just auto cast rejuv when there ia ny down time

need to stop that in raid but in M+ its good as we're on to teh next pull so works nice

[tough portal]

It never is and it always is

In a great flawless run you'll always feel superfluous

And there are many runs where if you healed more efficiently and were able / willing to contribute damage, you could save a brick into a successful key with 20-25k dps

[sudden rover]

we have shit damage anyway as druid

only thing we can do to increase dps is use convoke offensively in keys but I don't like doing that

[sharp silo]

does lifebloom also bloom when the duration is extendet by swiftmend at 4.5sec or does it require to cast recast lifebloom for the bloom?

[thorn plover]

Yes read the spell tooltip

[tough portal]

This is a tiny portion of your damage

You should use it as a heal 9 out of 10 times really

[wise galleon]

Hello, how do you guys heal Runed Spellbreaker's glaives before Seranel Sunlash in Magister's Terrace? There are 2 packs before that they hit hard and other then applying all hots on both targets I was wondering there was something more advanced to do

Also doex the apex talent where 30% of Lifebloom's healing splash to 2 allies withing 30 yds. What is the Lifebloom's healing in this istance? Its total healing it can do in the duration or just the tick? Does VI increase this healing splash? (because lifebloom becomes longer thus making 30% of its healing bigger?)

Like it heals 14,827 over 15 seconds for me, with VI it would be 15+8 seconds, I assume that heal is longer

Therefore making the splash bigger? Idk i clueless

[primal cargo]

u can check ur lifebloom splash healing as : Everbloom i think in details

i dont thin that u care much about passive healing of lifebloom

it's about blooming stuff that does real healing

[tough portal]

No you're looking at it wrong

[wise galleon]

What do you mean

[tough portal]

It just splashes the healing, it's a heal over time, the total number duration means nothing

It's not splashing the number of the total max duration heal

Just the healing done, each time it heals

[spring fractal]

Increasing the duration just makes you heal for longer it doesn't change the amount it ticks for. A 10k heal over 10sec would turn into 20k heal over 20 sec.

[wise galleon]

Oki thanks, was just wondering

[primal cargo]

lifebloom healing is vital and with apex u can control it.
With Photosyntesis tallent it has 8% per hot tick to bloom - that means if u want to bloom passivly more and heal more ST or Aoe blooms from Enfloence or Splash from apex u need to have max hots on ur tank or whatever the target is .

With swiftment u control when u want it to bloom and it gives u option to predict or prepare for big aoe holing ur soul of forest buff

u dont much care for ur passive splash healing its all abot synergy u make with blooms and splash

[wise galleon]

yeah so verdant infusion does not impact any of the things you listed right? Like it just increases time in hots but it doesnt proc some talents that would increase the healing because the healing is longer

[primal cargo]

its just increasing duration of ur hots on target saving ur mana overall and keeping hots alive to make lifebloom bloom more and heal more from mastery

[wise galleon]

Are the blooms and splashes that meaningful that is considered over prosperity?

I know its a playstle choice, just gaugin the + and -

[primal cargo]

if ur grp is stacked on enfloence

and u need big aoe healing it can boost a lot

its not something u can't control its RNG

its like a bonus u cant wait it to save ur grp or keep it alive

thats why u have apex - swiftment u control when u want it to force bloom

[vivid owl]

Hi! I really miss my sound queues for when lifebloom needs refreshed/about to fall off. Has anyone made anything like it? x.x

[thorn plover]

Add-on in my bio

LifebloomAlert

[lavish night]

Is it worth to macro the use of the Emberwing Feather(trinket) just before casting convoke the spirits?

[tough portal]

Everbloom healing is bigger with Prosperity

VI is not considered cuz of Everbloom healing

It just adds more hot uptime

[main timber]

I've decided we need a longer base duration on lifebloom

[tough portal]

Man this spec doesnt need to press different buttons less often lol

It has 5 spells total it's already crazy

[main timber]

This spec is definitely seen as the most difficult healer now

[thorn whale]

It for sure is

[sudden rover]

isnt evoker more difficult? I always struggle healing with dragon

[main timber]

Also every time they increased LB duration in the past the spec QoL improved massively

[sudden rover]

his kit is so fucking horrible

[thorn whale]

Nah honestly pres feels very smooth rn I think

[main timber]

It does depend on content type obv. I'm mostly talking about raid

Druid in M+ is not that hard because you do 999k HPS at all times

[tough portal]

Does that mean it needs to be easier?

[dense lantern]

please no

[lavish night]

I've tested using convoke the spirits with and without Emerwing feather and the DPS did not change. hmmm

[main timber]

When we talk about making it easier everyone assumes it'll be a 1 button spec

[dense lantern]

leave me a crumb of skill expression...

[main timber]

Even though many specs came out of the reworks playing way better

[tough portal]

And many came out way worse

[red dew]

its already easy, dont see how much easier it can get

[tough portal]

I mean

[tough portal]

I'm not saying that

Idk what other people say

But is there a benefit to an ever revolving door of 'hardest spec' getting made easier over time?

[main timber]

No, but they had an objective this expansion of making specs more accessible and I don't think they succeeded with druid

[red dew]

its weird cause it feels basically the same in raid as its always been. but i wouldnt be opposed to longer lb duration, though i somewhat doubt they do it

[tough portal]

I also am not sure that makign LB longer is just a net gain or loss in ease of play

Having a severely limtied toolkit is difficult

[dense lantern]

my friend just started playing resto, and hes very capable, and he still says its the hardest class he ever pllayed

(and he was doing mythic prog with arcane in df)

[tough portal]

Resto is much harder rn in pvp than it was in TWW largely BECAUSE it lost a bunch of buttons

[main timber]

I think the Abundance cycle + keeping up lifebloom and pressing WG / Swiftmend on CD is already quite a lot of room for skill expression

[red dew]

once you get the ramp raid gameplay loop its just not that difficult

[tough portal]

So idk if moving our Rej+Reg from 80% to 85% of button presses

Is accomplishing much positive

[red dew]

think the main difficulty is maintaining lifebloom in raid

[dense lantern]

we're talking m+ btw

[tough portal]

Right, dont bundle what I'm saying with cyon

Idk what he's talking about

[dense lantern]

He was, sorry

[red dew]

i thought voulk meant raid

[lavish night]

Just for future context if anyone interested, the number of spell of convoke nor the cast time changes based on ur haste. So it's not worth using a haste trinket just before casting it!

[red dew]

liek voulk said m+ you just shit out healing

[dense lantern]

yeah i guess were talking different things

[main timber]

M+ the skill expression is just in other areas

You're never bored really are you, even with infinity healing

[light swan]

Yet... I see all these people rerolling to it.

[red dew]

infinite mana infinite healing weak damage

[main timber]

These are all separate topics. People are rerolling druid for M+ where it is very easy to succeed as Druid

[thorn whale]

This is certainly not true for most people

[chilly dawn]

Hello there.
In raid, how much time before Convoke should i start to ramp my Rejuvs?

[thorn whale]

And also saying “once you achieve the difficult part it’s easy” doesn’t make sense either

[light swan]

If Brew wasnt so amazing... folks would be rerolling to MW

[pulsar kettle]

doubt

[main timber]

Not sure about that one

[red dew]

i think the difficult part is actually learning the boss timings

[thorn whale]

You have an addon telling you that

[distant birch]

My druid is missing the infinite mana perk

[light swan]

Master Shapeshifter

[red dew]

and you have a guide telling you how to play

idk your argument

[thorn whale]

Are you trolling or

[main timber]

You've seen the average druid log. Face even wrote an article of common mistakes

[red dew]

difficulty is obviously subjective i just think once someone knows how a ramp healers gameplay loop goes its genuinely not that difficult

[frosty tree]

?

[thorn whale]

There are also written books in Astro physics, doesn’t mean most people understand it? It’s very different having an addon in your ear saying “convoke in 10” compared to reading, understanding and applying a guide

[red dew]

idk youre saying you have an add on to tell you the timings but people are afk during a boss fight.

[thorn whale]

What?

Alright buddy

[red dew]

I just dont think what i said is wrong the wording may be off but its certainly not wrong, once you learn something you get it

[pulsar kettle]

[thorn whale]

Once you understand astro physics you get it

You see the issue here?

[red dew]

yes actually

[pulsar kettle]

make lb perma like beacon

[red dew]

bring back double bloom too then

[distant birch]

pls dont

[limpid jacinth]

Hired

[tough portal]

Ftr I'm not disagreeing that it's a difficult healer in raid rn @main timber but I think that comes from ambiguity of decision making and very strict emphasis on Abundance stacks

[main timber]

I look at very well received QoL changes like Lifetreading and I wonder if more of those can make the spec more approachable without losing much

[red dew]

what if they made it a choice node on lifetreading

[tough portal]

And sure removing LB globals would help, but I really would rather not?! Idk I feel like a more clearly defined ramp goal (if Abundance wasnt also a mana management tool, for instance) and benefit window (Flourish) would make the spec more straightforward to understand and perform on

[median marsh]

Does life bloom duration even matter for raid, if you send swiftmend into the LB

You very rarely ever have to refresh LB manually

With VI

[grizzled seal]

You can already play druid in raid with barely casting lifebloom btw

Just use VI

[main timber]

If you play VI it's fine yeah

[red dew]

what would you say if they made ironbark like earth shield

[main timber]

No I wouldn't like that. I think ironbark is perfect as-is

[median marsh]

I think VI is just better for all content

[red dew]

oaky good im just checking on you

[tough portal]

Yeah I think we just have different ideas of what is fun to lose

I dont like Lifetreading one bit

[red dew]

i didnt at first but its grown on me

[silk ice]

It’s such a VI-able talent point

[tough portal]

And yk my idea may be wrong or not in line with Blizzard's goals or the larger playerbase desires

[main timber]

I like Lifetreading because many fights are high movement. Otherwise I doubt I'd care

[low yoke]

Hi guys, I am using Danders for my healing, one of my challenges is that my keybind for Target and Target menu (Left and Right mouse click), are being overridden because of my healing keybinds.

In the old days I just used Healbot and could have normal mousebutton actions outside of clicking the healbot charcter portraits.

Any smart way of going about it?

Ideally I'd like a way to keep the default mouse buttons and then only use the healing keybinds when intending to heal.

[dire quest]

I heard someone was lecturing on astrophysics in here

Sitting my white ass down and listening

[silk ice]

Takes here are known to be out of this world

[main timber]

Yeah and I know this is a cursed topic for the channel because everyone in here is already a proficient druid and they obviously like the spec as-is

[red dew]

you are out of this world

[silk ice]

[red dew]

I think the only change i want is i want my original flourish button back and not baked into tranq, otehrwise im pretty content rn

[median marsh]

I think RDruid actually just gets easier the higher you go, anything below mythic and it’s rare people are damaged enough to incentivise pressing regrowth

But the core fundamentals of Druid are very simple imo

Especially if you just Lb and SM yourself in raid perma

Or one person, doesn’t have to be yourself

Plays very very similar to MW in early / mid TWW

[tough portal]

Like I think the spec got harder because they moved a lot bigger of a performance burden onto Abundance by removing other spells that would fill globals or define the playstyle better

Their simplification of the spec (button count drop only really) made it harder

[silk ice]

They remove buttons to make it easier for the console port next xpac

Also because they can’t code their cdm worth a damn (see: lifebloom pandemic alert) and want less buttons to manage

[median marsh]

I think it’s made it easier, I would’ve never touched RDruid in raid before because there seemed to be too much going on

Now it’s like 5 buttons tops

And as long as you can chase Mastery on frames and track your Rejuv’s properly / when first will expire

[flint flax]

Hey guys, I got this 1h in vault. What would you guys recommend, craft an OH? Or still craft a 2h staff?

Only had 1 item in the vault, because I was out for pretty much 2 weeks, and that 1h was the item.

[median marsh]

The mana is very easy to manage

[dense lantern]

druid in raid was 5 buttons even before

[tough portal]

I understand the idea that it's more approachable

[dense lantern]

I dont think it changed that much tbh

[tough portal]

I'm saying it's harder to perform on

The delta from a median resto to the best ones is very large rn

More than maybe any other spec in the game

[spark river]

Yeah

The average druid is struggling a lot

[red dew]

always been like that

[median marsh]

I think that’s just because the damage patterns of the fights and the strength of Pres/disc on some of these earlier fights

The damage is very spiky

Not rotty

[red dew]

and whats funny is the spec has mostly remained the same in raid at least

[median marsh]

Even tho they said they wouldn’t do that

[tough portal]

Raid fights have never been rotty

[cyan minnow]

any spec that has a lot of power in being able to position well and plant to get a lot of throughput tends to have a large variance in performance

[median marsh]

What makes you think it’s harder to perform on RDruid rn?

[cyan minnow]

most people would be better off playing tol since you don’t have to line up refo procs or worry about movement for regrowth windows

[median marsh]

If you slam SM on CD with VI, you tend to allign with convoke without much thought

[tough portal]

Only if you dont slam SM on CD

[gentle nova]

Ehm

No?

[thorn whale]

Not true

[gentle nova]

We playing a diff game ig

[median marsh]

Not every single convoke

[twilit barn]

Is that pandemic alert just broken or am i losing my mind

[thorn plover]

It doesn't work.

[frosty tree]

im not smart what is VI

[thorn plover]

LifebloomAlert on curseforge

[thorn plover]

Talent top left resto tree. Makes SM extend your hots on the target

[median marsh]

On dragons atm

From lowest % pull yesterday

Could probably have gamed for ToL on the others as well, but this is just slamming SM for the most part

[twilit barn]

Thanks a lot!

[tough portal]

This is, for one, distinctly not all Convokes in Refo
And 2 of these are also just barely cast as the last GCD of a Refo proc.

Or maybe 3

[grizzled seal]

And what's your SM cpm?

If it's below 5 then you aren't casting on cd

[median marsh]

From that pull

[gentle nova]

Show rhe log

[tough portal]

Haranir enjoyer

[median marsh]

Unironically that racial does some decent healing

[tough portal]

Yeah it's not bad

[silk ice]

This is heroic (bulk of players) all percentiles data for the current tier, everyone shifted right for clarity, the median and the top % aren’t much further off compared to prevoker disc or mw

[median marsh]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WYgaB9vqFMCQyKjn?fight=38

first tier on Rdruid so no doubt things that can be done better

But I dont think it’s been hard to pick up with the changes

For heroic, there just isn’t enough damage

To play properly

[silk ice]

In manaforge rshams, hpriest and hpal had more variance

I think those got narrower rather than rdruid getting wider

[thorn whale]

You also came from MW right?

If I remember you correctly

[median marsh]

Yeah, it plays very similar

[thorn whale]

Exactly

[median marsh]

But same fundamentals

And Mw I would say is very simple

[thorn whale]

Don't think MW was that simple last tier / Undermine but yeah

But anyways you obviously have experience in something similar

And you're not the average rdruid

That's the issue with this conversation right

Most of the people in here are not the ones getting to decide if it's simple or not

[gentle nova]

You held sm cd several times

[main timber]

This is always a doomed conversation in here because there are a lot of very good druids and all of them see any change as risk they'll get resto shamand

[plain marsh]

[gentle nova]

Like you are sending sm separated by 15 seconds a lot of times

Thats why its lining up

[red dew]

Sorry for your loss

[tough portal]

Doesnt this just ... exclude the top 25%?

[red dew]

Is murlok io still good for PvP talent builds

[frosty tree]

I have a confession to make.
Ive rolled a healer last 2 expansions at the start. Pres evoker for DF and resto druid for war within. Never actually pulled through with playing Healer for the expansion. Now im at the same point that ive gone with my Resto druid. How does one stay healer and not ragequit back to dps x)

[tough portal]

Using this as an argument assumes the 75th percentile player of these specs to be hitting the ceiling

[main timber]

Healer is just way more fun. Can't imagine playing DPS full time

[median marsh]

Has been ever since they adding Rushing Wind Kick, puts the spec down to 4 buttons for the most part

Would say the same for Rdruid imo this tier if you break it down to the main fundamental buttons

But again just scuffed in lower difficult

Cause there isn’t any damage to heal

[tough portal]

I'd just copy one player that you know is reasonable and competent

Instead of murlok aggregate

Most specs rn dont even have enough good players for a top 50 aggregate

[thorn whale]

It was more the lining up proper usage of sheilun's etc I was thinking of but yeah

Press things on cd is kinda the same

[plain marsh]

I find dps terribly boring

[tough portal]

Murlok pages for a bunch of specs are like 30 people

And that's going into 1700 rated players

Sometimes

[red dew]

I will screenshot this and post it next time you send me a screenshot of a ele shaman lust pull

[lament river]

Is there a addon out to see peoples cooldowns like omni cd?

[frosty tree]

hmm

[red dew]

Ty sir

[plain marsh]

the ele first pulls do go hard

[tough portal]

It's fundamentally not complex, mostly fragile, the Abundance gameplay is very fragile and restricting

Without a tool to properly extend that Abundance window like Flourish
You can treat Convoke as that, but then your Incarn uptime is much worse and the sheer amount of turreting you gotta do with hardcast Regrowth spam is very rough to figure out in a hard fight with movement

[grizzled seal]

You can keep relatively high number of rejuvs these days by just pressing SM on cd

[thorn whale]

Actually if SM worked like RWK

Extending all your hots every time you pressed it

they would be similar

[grizzled seal]

Ok but that'd be stupid

[thorn whale]

Yes

[grizzled seal]

Rems are not the same as rejuvs at all

[median marsh]

Soul of the Forest I think makes it much easier to maintain abundanc stacks

[silk ice]

Same result, aligned by the dot

Which is the max

[median marsh]

I would imagine the average Druid isn’t tracking when their first Rejuv is going to fall off

[grizzled seal]

The only way to simplify the spec is to completely kill all the fun parts

[median marsh]

So they don’t properly utilise their regrowth windows or know when to rejuv again

[grizzled seal]

It already has very few buttons

The difficulty is what everyone struggles with: casting spells

[wicked gale]

Am I missing something or is everbloom not working as intended?

[thorn whale]

I just don't know how you simplify it without killing it

[grizzled seal]

And healers especially are fucking awful at casting spells

[tough portal]

Yeah this was my point to Voulk earlier

I dont think the spec needs to be simplified just cuz it can be considered 'the hardest' rn

And if I would go that route, it wouldnt be by reducing button count further

[silk ice]

Is it the hardest? Apparently mw is harder (though I’m not sure why)

[grizzled seal]

It's kinda funny that adding nature's bounty probably widened the gap between bad druids and good

[median marsh]

Defo not, even easier now

[silk ice]

That top and bottom quartile gap is huge

[median marsh]

They remove Sheulin’s and %! Healing amps

[grizzled seal]

MW has a rework every fucking tier, man

That's why nobody can play it

[median marsh]

Probably the most
Simple of all healers atm MW is

[grizzled seal]

I don't have the energy to keep up with that shit

[thorn whale]

I think it's the energy lacking and not the complexity there torty haha

[median marsh]

It’s been the same playstyle since they added RWK in Nerubar

[grizzled seal]

Druid had the same playstyle since BFA

[thorn whale]

Wouldn't know I started playing in Nerubar

[grizzled seal]

Maybe shadowlands, depending on where you wanna start counting

[silk ice]

You’d think that, but the data says otherwise. If it was easy, then everyone would be performing insanely well and the gap between the best and worst mw players would be the narrowest

[tough portal]

Yeah MW plays different everything every couple seasons it's very funny

[silk ice]

But it’s the widest

[patent seal]

i feel like without convoke i cant push my healing enough, tol doesnt feel impactful enough as a cd

[grizzled seal]

We press rejuvs, convoke and spam regrowths since 2019-2020

[gentle nova]

Nick is getting gapped by rycn lmao

Rycn 80% mana starting p2

Without playing ms

Gg

[grizzled seal]

Rycn plays well on every healer I've seen

[main timber]

Rycn is great, but also Echo have biggest skill falloff in 4th healer slot for RWF I think

[median marsh]

Well, it’s just the same as every healing spec

The worst players just don’t press their buttons

And miss like 10 CPM or more

[grizzled seal]

More like 20

[median marsh]

Yeah

[grizzled seal]

[median marsh]

There were MW logs last tier where people were 40 CPM asking what they were doing wrong when the average was 60 CPM

[silk ice]

Did you see the graph? It’s comparing the best and worst players for all specs and druid has about the same as disc pres and better than mw

[median marsh]

If it’s not mythic, doesn’t matter

[graceful belfry]

Wait most players are not good because they dont click buttons enough?

[silk ice]

We’re talking about bad players, people going into mythic aren’t bad players typically

[graceful belfry]

That sounds unbelievable 😛

[silk ice]

But the same trend shows up in mythic

[grizzled seal]

There are plenty of bad players in mythic

[median marsh]

A lot of them

But in Mythic you’re actually incentivised to not just rejuv spam because people actually drop below 95% HP

So you feel the need to send regrowth

[thorn whale]

I really wish he streamed this race

[grizzled seal]

I have the same issue when playing monk

Can't make myself press vivify on players at 99.8% health

[reef zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/who-me-hubie-dubois-adam-sandler-hubie-halloween-look-around-gif-18724170

[odd heath]

is it pointless to stack whole raid with rejuvs on ramp, is it better to 8 stacks and then spam regrowths? prob better on mana

too used to the old flourish rotation

[hearty coral]

Is fistweaving still a thing that could be something skewing that. I know plenty of people that would do fist weaving in raid even though it was bad. MW also has the widest DPS variance in your logic as well so that could be why

[median marsh]

I still think it’s insane you can slam several regrowth in a row and actually gain mana back in that time from regen

With proper abundance stacks

[eternal bough]

hello guys on dender frame in m+ i can't see some of the debuffs i mean non bosses debuffs

[reef zenith]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=207383/abundance

short answer is 12 gives best return, long answer…depends a bit more.

[silk ice]

Fistweaving is not a thing in raid, and dps variance can be down to if the monk aimed their rushing wind kick at the boss or just threw it to oblivion because it doesn’t affect hps

[wise galleon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mjzw9qp8yWDtMfJR

Hey, learning resto this season, can anyone take a look? There are two pulls because my buddy who was logging had to change talents. I feel like im having trouble very much on Saprish (the pet boss) (lots of mana consumption) and right after with Destoyers.

[odd heath]

aye know about the abundance part, I was just wondering if I should stop at that 8 ish rejuv and spam regrowths earlier for ramp

cuz of nature's bounty

[vivid peak]

where did you hear the number 8?

[tough portal]

Probably niko

[hearty coral]

I mean it wasn't supposed to be used on raid in previous seasons and yet it still was.

I'm looking at some of the highest DPS MW logs and they literally aren't casting healing spells

So it would seem that could be skewing your data like I was thinking

[silk ice]

You get the same thing looking at the highest dps resto druid logs

At least the dpsing mws would heal passively

[hearty coral]

Yes but it's more likely for monks to do it than druids because you get more out of it

Exactly

Which is why I think that would be skewing those ranges wider

Since it is so wide on both ends

[silk ice]

The box and whisker graphs ignore the bottom quartile

[hearty coral]

And not just on healing

[odd heath]

somewhere in there, cba find it xD
https://youtu.be/wLq-BPYhO9k?si=-bMAL7NL6VLoYgyl&t=254

[silk ice]

Because they die or are dps parsing

[hearty coral]

The 100 DPS log on heroic for the first fight gets like a 35 for healing

[grizzled seal]

Dude you watched a guide by MrCrazyCows

[hearty coral]

So it's not in that bottom quartile

[grizzled seal]

That's on you

[odd heath]

https://klipy.com/gifs/shrug-dexter-morgan

[vivid peak]

is this the same video that was being flamed few week back :D

[odd heath]

it's the only up to date video guide out there

[bright swift]

MrCrazyCows has done irreparable damage to the resto druid community

[odd heath]

unless u have some for me

[grizzled seal]

There is no such thing as up to date video

[odd heath]

or just any

[main timber]

You just yourself confirmed that isn't the case

[grizzled seal]

That's like saying the best tasting shit

[hearty coral]

Up to date on bad gameplay

I'm gonna do a video about how I 98 parsed chimereus by using 35 rejuvs per minute

[odd heath]

alright alright I get it xD

[silk ice]

So they did better than many parses of Mw that died, how many logs are full dos compared to the 110,000 parses? These are just outliers

[graceful belfry]

Sadge I watched that vid and hoped it had good info

[tough portal]

The top 200 mistweaver DPS log on heroic paladins did 28k HPS
The top 10 (ten, not 100) resto druid DPS log on heroic paladins did twice as much healing as that. Anywhere beyond the top idk 30, resto druids are just healing majority of their globals and doing regular heroic healing.

I think there are a lot more MWs doing shit healing to parse damage than there are resto druids

[hearty coral]

That is what I was thinking also

[silk ice]

Okay, so 200, out of 110,000

[hearty coral]

Anecdotal evidence I've had more guildies do fistweaving cause that's all they know

Sure it's not for sure

Just was a thought to add to the discussion

[median marsh]

Still pointless looking at anything but mythic logs

[tough portal]

12400, 1/10th of that actually

[grizzled seal]

You do firstweaving on an alt in a split

[tough portal]

But this indicates a pattern

[grizzled seal]

Cuz nobody cares and you are just open mic yapping

[tough portal]

Much more than trying to be a comprehensive number

[silk ice]

Huh? There are 108,964 mw parses

[tough portal]

I was indicating the pattern of behavior, damage builds and damage parsing is just a lot more prevalent for MWs than resto

[tough portal]

I was talking about one fight

Do you want me to sum up the parses in each and every fight that press healing spells less than 30% of their time or

[silk ice]

Yeah, I’d prefer data over feelycraft

[jaunty drum]

Hi. Anyone know how to get debuffs from first boss to show as dispellable like this:

[wide rose]

is a macro for bear form -> heart of the wild a decent idea. i havent tested any macros yet

[silk ice]

Variance in rdruid performance in mythic is larger, but still less than mw

[frosty tree]

wouldent tehy both be on gcd? so that wouldent work?

[tough portal]

HOTW is off global

[wide rose]

yea that's a cd not a gcd

[frosty tree]

the know you more

[graceful belfry]

Can someone tell me what is some flatout inaccurate info from that mrCows video? It would help me understand the spec a lot better I think

[tough portal]

But idk I wouldnt bother with that, I think you're better off just having 1 keybind that you know by heart for HOTW

And pressing it when it's appropriate to press it for you

[main timber]

I think you are asking a lot by requesting someone watch a 20 minute video and take notes for you. Just every time someone comes in here having seen it, they have some really inaccurate notes on the spec

[wide rose]

i'm still getting used to best practices for keyboard play because i've always raided on controller in other games lol
i think i'm gonna need an mmo mouse the amount of important utility keybinds at keys 10-12 is way too high

[main timber]

I did watch their original video and it did not understand some spec fundamentals like Mastery DR. I have not watched this new version

[proven phoenix]

believe it or not keybinds went down

but it really is just a matter of comfort

I position my keyboard in a reall weird way so that alt rests on my thumb

[graceful belfry]

MB, I thought people maybe discussed the takes in the past

[proven phoenix]

the only modifier I use is alt

[wide rose]

my pinky hurts after a few keys cause left handed and so many binds are on the middle of the keyboard yea

[silk ice]

Smol hands

[wide rose]

i have small hands as well ya

i cant reach past 1-5

[silk ice]

Get a drum pedal

Get your feet involved

[tough portal]

Have you tried moving away from WASD in this case?

[wide rose]

i wish this game had proper controller support

[tough portal]

Or idk where your movement is and your hand is resting

[wide rose]

what's the alternative?

[proven phoenix]

I have pretty big hands even

I tilt my keyboard

[silk ice]

Mmmhmmmm sure

[proven phoenix]

??

[wide rose]

my hand rests on wasd

[reef zenith]

I have small hands and I’m left handed but cluster around wasd (qertfg) or use eg mouse clicks

[tough portal]

Arrow keys or the keys close to right Shift, so you touch that with your pinky for a modifier

Basically same as right handed people but mirrored

P as your new W I think is what I'm thinking of

[wide rose]

so like, shift everything to the left

[silk ice]

PL:’ doesn’t have the same ring as wasd

[wide rose]

instead of being against the caps lock and losing key space there?

[tough portal]

Yeah mirror it from the left side

[wide rose]

yea on this part

that could help but it might feel weird on muscle memory

[silk ice]

Is that a weird spot for M or is that just me

[wide rose]

its not an american keyboard

but that is the layout we have here

[silk ice]

Everything else is in their usual spots tho

[tough portal]

Like this

[wide rose]

wait

what about the mouse?

do i have to swap back and forth

[frosty tree]

yes

[tough portal]

Wait

I mean

Arent you left handed?

Oh

Bestie

[silk ice]

No they just have smol hands

[wide rose]

yea i use the mouse with the left hand

?

[tough portal]

I'm not telling you to keybind BOTH red and green there

[silk ice]

Oh

[wide rose]

OH

[tough portal]

I'm showing the usual resting spot for right handed people in red

[wide rose]

gotcha

[tough portal]

And what I'm suggesting you as a mirror in green

[wide rose]

yeye

having the big shift key for modifier would be nice

[proven phoenix]

tiny hands

[wide rose]

i end up clicking a lot of cds atm because i physically can't hit them otherwise. the rarer ones

i know it's not ideal

[tough portal]

Yeah if you arent using a modifier cuz you're pressing WASD with right hand and your fingers dont naturally rest around the modifiers is a big L

[wide rose]

yeah

technically i could use CTRL with the thumb

its very frustrating for me because all my mmo raiding experience has been on controller and i never had to figure out this keyboard stuff

so i feel so behind in muscle memory

[grizzled seal]

Dude that is wild

LMAO

[wide rose]

people do world racing on controller in ffxiv

[azure talon]

what should be our 2nd craft? because I'm thinking about neck for mastery, but I read that our neck is versa > haste from windrunner so... I'm so confused because I'm a new Rdruid 🙁

[wide rose]

[hearty coral]

Lots of FF raiders on controller

Yeah

I figured lol

2.5s gcd makes it reasonable

[wide rose]

the game is designed for it

[hearty coral]

Can't imagine trying to do wow GCD on controller lmao

[wide rose]

we have smaller raid groups

[tough portal]

Wow will be too, give it 3 more years

[wide rose]

true

im gonna ask john blizzard to slow down the gcd

[tough portal]

Have you ever seen drainerx hit 3k in solo shuffle as holy paladin on a controller?

[hearty coral]

...

[tough portal]

The most psychotic shit

[wide rose]

i remember when liquid tried ffxiv

[hearty coral]

I feel like this is deju vu

[tough portal]

I ever witnessed in this game

[hearty coral]

I feel like you've said that to me before XD

[tough portal]

Probably

[wide rose]

and max laughed at people telling him to use controller

"i don't bring a toy to raids"

but it's like a very serious thing

[tough portal]

Thats whats up

[wide rose]

some top players, especially in japan, use controller

[jaunty drum]

Is this where they faked it being blind prog

[wide rose]

i was top 20 astro world with controller it doesn't matter it's just about muscle memory and comfort

thats what people say idk the streams were very fun

unironically

a lot of ff world racers / big raiders in my friend groups got into wow after liquid and echo tried the game

theyre all following the race rn

[lament river]

Anyone tried the addon "minicd" should work as omnicd

[next owl]

If you want a mastery neck there is a hero track mastery>haste neck from the pvp training series of quests given out by Aethas Sunreaver near the bank.

[nova torrent]

For m+ do you guys have only dispellable debuffs or all? I only have dispellable now. Was starting to push 12s finally. Perfect AA then mobs before vex do a bleed stack right? I felt like mates were getting one shot and group fell apart

[pulsar kettle]

all

[nova torrent]

Gotcha thank you

[clever cipher]

Does anyone know what addon it is that lets you add sound alerts to your cooldowns/buffs (that isn’t blizzard cdm)

I saw someone talking about it recently and I can’t for the life of me remember it

[nova torrent]

Right click and add the alert that is on normal blizz cdm is nice

[clever cipher]

No

Specifically not Blizz cdm because that shit is broken

[nova torrent]

What’s broken on it?

[silk ice]

Lifebloom pandemic and duration at times

[tough portal]

There's LifebloomAlert on purrformance's discord profile

I just use weakauras for LB

Otherwise ArcUI for CD manager stuff

But it breaks often

[clever cipher]

It’s none of those unfortunately

Someone was talking about it in a discord recently and I couldn’t remember if it was this one

[whole horizon]

ayije has sound alerts built-in but fewer default options than any other voicepack ive seen

probably a way to import custom alert sounds tho

[blissful apex]

is there an addon that would track lifebloom and yell at me

asking for me

[plain steeple]

Your bio says you‘re a wowdev.
So I have to expect you wanna kill that addon/feature.
answering might harm us.

[blissful apex]

I work on the server team lol

I need to keep my lifebloom up 😭 I promise

[grizzled seal]

LMAO

[blissful apex]

THIS IS SO TOXIC

LOL

[grizzled seal]

I mean it is answered like one scroll up

[blissful apex]

idk what im lookin for

im a dumb baby

[proven phoenix]

purrformance lifebloom tracker

[blissful apex]

[proven phoenix]

There's LifebloomAlert on purrformance's discord profile
I just use weakauras for LB
Otherwise ArcUI for CD manager stuff
But it breaks often

[plain steeple]

New deal: we share the Addon once Ashran is free of lag in fights.

[blissful apex]

new deal

I fix the client performance issue that keeps bricking my m+ keys

and you accept that bc thats what im currently workin on

😭

[gentle nova]

Whats the issue

It freezes mid key?

Cause im having a lot of that

[blissful apex]

don't know, client is just quitting

[plain steeple]

Highly appreciated that you work on it - thanks in advance!

[eternal bough]

in m+ symbiotic relationship with tank always ?

[blissful apex]

sent logs to the team today to look into

im off though

[graceful belfry]

Does NS swiftmend Regrowth do it on all 3 regrowths? And if so, do you think it's worth it to swiftmend regrowth after NS convoke?

[plain steeple]

My client only freezes when I step on a ledge. Or any kind of small step.

[gentle nova]

Enjoy your resto druid day off

[blissful apex]

thank you

[grizzled seal]

Nah unless it's the end of the burst

Just always use on rejuv

[graceful belfry]

tyty

[blissful apex]

i'm seeing a lot of lifebloom at like 15% on parses and rejuv spam, is the ideal range for lifebloom uptime still like 90%+?

am i missing something

[grizzled seal]

In raid?

[blissful apex]

yes

[grizzled seal]

Nobody has 15% lifebloom and a good parse

[blissful apex]

saw a heroic belo kill with 13% uptime

#1 rdruid

[bright swift]

didn't he solo heal

with 1 phase

[blissful apex]

did he?

[rustic copper]

Do you know if pota works with nb?

[grizzled seal]

Stop looking at heroic logs

[rustic copper]

I don’t get as big of a burst heal when I press it as I’d expect

[blissful apex]

well if there were mythic logs for moq

[bright swift]

?

you don't think so?

[grizzled seal]

Don't see any reason why it shouldn't

[blissful apex]

told you im a dumb baby

[grizzled seal]

Ok but are you pulling mythic belo

There are like 5 guilds there

[blissful apex]

no but I'm trying to learn!!!

for tonight

[grizzled seal]

Check mythic voidspire log

[rustic copper]

Going to be 200 pretty soon if they don’t nerf it

[bright swift]

surely they nerf upcoming reset

[blissful apex]

[grizzled seal]

After 1 week heroic logs turn into dogshit

[bright swift]

Like what are we gonna do next week otherwise

[rustic copper]

It’s so much harder than crown it’s crazy

[grizzled seal]

I mean yeah that raid is getting nuked

[rustic copper]

If we kill crown tomorrow and they don’t nerf belo I think we’re mythic splitting voidspire

[plain steeple]

Blizz shall bring 12.0.5 asap. I need that apex talent change!

[blissful apex]

would anyone be down to like.. coach me.. in rdruid (I know big ask) like log review n stuff

[grizzled seal]

Beloren unnerfed is like 400-500 pull boss for us

[bright swift]

tomorrow?

[rustic copper]

Splitting voidspire next week

[grizzled seal]

Just post logs, we do reviews for free

[blissful apex]

oh sick

[grizzled seal]

Isn't your reset tomorrow, Niko

[rustic copper]

I meant tonight mb

[blissful apex]

just in here ig?

[tough portal]

He hasnt slept

[grizzled seal]

That was my followup question @tough portal

[rustic copper]

I didn’t sleep good

I’m ngl I’m fucking cooked

[whole horizon]

yup, full send

[grizzled seal]

We don't even have a comp for beloren

[bright swift]

@rustic copper You have vantus on Alleria?

[rustic copper]

No

[bright swift]

yeah might be rough then

[rustic copper]

We had some almost clean p2 pulls though

[bright swift]

We keep pushing too early

and i'm supposed to tree start of p3

and it's never up

[rustic copper]

tree

[bright swift]

Tree owns

RWF plays it?

can't be bad

[grizzled seal]

Very true

[bright swift]

there is a lot of movement on that fight

[grizzled seal]

Tree has to be good for me cuz I am stacking haste

Any truers in chat

[blissful apex]

I only have heroic logs

• vanguard: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Kk1vdWAaVLbmZ6N2?fight=28&type=healing
• cosmos: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Kk1vdWAaVLbmZ6N2#fight=39&type=healing
• saladbar: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Kk1vdWAaVLbmZ6N2?fight=16&type=healing

[gentle nova]

True

[rustic copper]

False

[blissful apex]

I play tree

[grizzled seal]

I'm yet to pull off a good tree log

[rustic copper]

Haste is good for convoke because convoke spams regrowth more

[gentle nova]

Wclogs is dying

[grizzled seal]

Idk how people do it

[blissful apex]

yeah

it wouldnt load cosmos for me

i had to copy link

[grizzled seal]

Maybe you can work on wcl during rwf?

[blissful apex]

ok i brb i need to walk dog but i will be here more if anyone has any more client crashes if you zip your log file in your retail folder and dm it to me i would love u forever

[grizzled seal]

That shit didn't work during our raid yesterday

[blissful apex]

but do it before you relaunch

please n ty

[grizzled seal]

Cuz a bunch of rwf watchers were on wcl

[thorn plover]

Try disabling sound. It seems sound related and I'm not sure why yet

If it freezes and you hit Ctrl s to disable sound, it comes back and it seems fine after that

Some memory leak related to sound. Also noticed after some hours TTS sound becomes static

[glass fulcrum]

Raider Io/ wowhead talents always shows me 1/4 apex talents. You go 4/4 right?

[main timber]

4/4 or 0/4, never anything else

[whole horizon]

i like hc nexus king logs bc its a very linear, do-nothing-but-heal boss and exposes most of your basic mistakes

swiftmend cpm is low overall, remember it drives SotF and your apex proccing so we press it on cd basically. since youre playing apex, lb uptime is also huge and yours was 63%.

[violet pine]

Why is everyone on raider io swapping to moonkin/resto now did I miss something?

[pulsar kettle]

huh

[whole horizon]

SM cpm from 3 -> 4 and LB uptime 63 -> above 90% will be big gains for you @blissful apex . when i have time in a bit i'll look over the rest.

[violet pine]

Roughly the top 10 raider.io reato druids are running moonkin weaving instead now. We're the damage buffs they got that much of an increase to swap

[pulsar kettle]

i mean they arent moonkin weaving

theyre taking sunfire and starfire to pad on some aoe pulls

[thorn plover]

Taking Sunfire Starfire for aoe, rip rake hotw for st

[violet pine]

Is that build doing good now then? For m+ in general

Im behind quite a bit but im running like 10-12s

[thorn plover]

Its w/e our damage is piss either way most the time

It's not going to make you better healing

[tough portal]

No I wouldnt say that it's good or worth it

[thorn plover]

And if you're struggling healing, adding more damage buttons won't help you

[tough portal]

Especially Sunfire, crazy thing to do in 2026

[oak garnet]

Why do so many healers in m+ think the reason they are not timing keys is their 8k healer dps?

How down bad are your dps

[tough portal]

Fighting ghosts lol

[oak garnet]

Anything short of pushing like 17+ is just heal better

If your dps watch their health less they do more damage

[violet pine]

I've been parsing in the 80s so I could definitely be doing better. Its not us not timing keys its just the added assist w/ dps if possible

[main timber]

Don't worry about your M+ parses, those are meaningless

[oak garnet]

Parses don't matter how many skull icons in the top right and timing are all that matters

[main timber]

Maybe but there's nothing to do half the key anyway so may as well press DPS buttons

[haughty ibex]

jw but isnt key % log somewhat a decent indicator of how good ur dps/healing/watever is?

[oak garnet]

Play more pugs @main timber you'll have plenty to do 😂

[main timber]

I pug a lot!

[oak garnet]

The random pulls, the random stand in fire

[main timber]

Nah, I'd never look at that

There is no HPS number that = you healed the key well

[thorn plover]

1. did you die
2. did you time

That's it

[main timber]

Your M+ healing parse says more about the group overall. Just not a metric you can use to improve

[haughty ibex]

makes sense ty, was clueless about it so

[wise galleon]

bump. can anyone take a look?

[tough portal]

Wclogs is down for me

It's been down / slow for a while now

[violet pine]

So you would recommend the rake on everyone still? Or MF/SF

[wise galleon]

oh true

[main timber]

Yes, it's just more damage

[tough portal]

Posted by thevinter

[tough portal]

Sunfire and Moonfire grief your healing cuz they're mana hogs

Especially Sunfire

Malware talent

[violet pine]

Do you guys check murlok or just archon?

[tough portal]

Neither

[oak garnet]

If all you did was ff on cd into rip. That's like 40% of your damage

[tough portal]

Maybe of yours

Like 10% of mine

[thorn plover]

Both are garbage

[violet pine]

Neither?

[main timber]

Both of those sites are terrible

[violet pine]

This is so much news to me. Where are you going for build ideas?

[thorn plover]

Only actual logs are worth looking at

[tough portal]

Guides if you dont know what you're looking at

[pliant copper]

thoughts, voulk?

[main timber]

The guides are good and are custom designed for especially people at your key level

[thorn plover]

Ban

[tough portal]

And actual logs to see what people actually did with those builds instead of a data aggregate site, if you do know what you're looking at

[silk ice]

He’ll want innervate on eVoulkers

[main timber]

Don't play Holy Paladin

[pliant copper]

[wise galleon]

is it worth to ferocious bite a mob on 1 combo point to explode the vines?

[rustic copper]

I would innervate the hpal if there were any in my raid

[violet pine]

Im not great at creating my own synergies with talents thats why ive always looked it up. However ive been a resto main since legion. So wowhead/icyveins. And raider.io/warcraft logs reviewing the tops players and go from there would be better?

[rustic copper]

[main timber]

Looking it up is fine, just use the guides instead of weird data aggregates

it's also fine to look at specific logs of top players but you're unlikely to get a gain really

[tough portal]

No definitely not

[main timber]

And you will lack the understanding of why they might be making tech choices

[dense lantern]

[thorn plover]

Top players are often trying weird shit or making specific choices for comp or mechs. You need to know what you're looking at

Wowhead guide build will do you just fine into decently high keys

[violet pine]

i was really debating this before i was looking up guides and builds if i saved a talent point and took ursine vigor instead of x2 matted fur what would i put the 2nd matted fur point into

[gentle nova]

How do you make that swap

When one is a tier 2 and the other is a tier 3

[thorn plover]

If you're dying in +10s, ursine vigor or matted fur aren't going to save you

[violet pine]

honestly was just looking into it and have been debating about it, didnt think about the talent tier difference i would have to sac a different t3 talent for it

[gentle nova]

Thats how it works, you cant swap a lower tier talent for a higher tier one

[main timber]

These kind of swaps are just doing nothing for you. Just need to get more gameplay reps in

[silk ice]

Sometimes you just need a placebo to keep you going

[proven phoenix]

just play the game challenge

if I could change 1 talent to give me some secret 250k hps mojo I would do as well however that does not exist

sadly

[main timber]

You also just won't need bear form anyway at that key level

It's almost definitely a worse decision than just pressing a heal spell instead

[wise galleon]

i pulled a random top log and I did the same amount of rips and rakes but he also did a lot of damage with the vines exploding. way more then me

looked at it yesterday

[blissful apex]

thank you!! any advice for timing lifebloom/managing it better?

I was just using a self target macro last tier but I feel like keeping it on tanks is huge now bc of efflo

[tough portal]

And were they doing 1cp bites?

[wise galleon]

i dont know...ill check myself

was just rando assuming

[thorn plover]

LifebloomAlert addon helps a lot 😉

[thorn plover]

Tank is only a good target on some fights. Self is usually a safe choice

If you're standing with people

[wise galleon]

Self on vorasius and drakes imo is pogu

rest is tanks

(for me)

[tough portal]

Main thing I could infer from your log on the dogs boss is that you took multiple globals to start healing up the target of the Shadow Pounce

Almost like you were just reacting to their HP visibly dropping and not being aware that they got targeted and had the debuff

[wise galleon]

Could be likely because its only at thi m+ level im noticing those bleeds

[tough portal]

And didnt match cds with the Overloads for instance

[blissful apex]

Where do I find it btw I couldn’t find it on curseforge (hello blessed addon dev)

[wise galleon]

Is wild growth + rejuvs enough for that?

And big cd for clearing balls?

[wide rose]

Should be linked in his discord bio!

[blissful apex]

Ty ❤️

[wide rose]

Its super helpful

[tribal agate]

this one? LifebloomAlert

[woven vessel]

trying to decide what to craft im seeing a lot of guides suggest cloak or wirsts but im sorta thinking why not craft a big item like the chest?

[dense lantern]

Considering that Overload is the thing that does more damage...

[woven vessel]

lifebloom alert is nice, verbal remind its dropping off did help me a lot 😄

[wide rose]

Youd think keeping track of it is very easy but with the chaos of pugs

[tough portal]

Thats what Overload is

No?

[wide rose]

Having a reminder is great

[thorn plover]

It's on curseforge or in my discord bio

[waxen ingot]

Do we know whats the gain on Liveliness?\

[dense lantern]

There are no ways of having any trackers for trash abilities, right?

[rustic coyote]

Because you can drop bis chest from vault

[spark river]

definitely not suggesting cloak or wrists

its chest/belt/boots

[pulsar kettle]

no guides are suggesting this as an early craft

afaik

[thorn whale]

Chest is good

[waxen ingot]

U can see casts ig

and have them tts

mythic dungeon casts is the addon name

[molten gull]

Taking a look at top M+ rdruids on raider.io, it seems like a LOT of them have wep and cloak crafted

[pulsar kettle]

did you stop and think as to why they did that, look at their other gear, infer what their first vault was?

[molten gull]

i did stop to think that. thanks for the condescending response, though. many of them are in heroic chests

[pulsar kettle]

[spark river]

[pulsar kettle]

might be a shock but the front page of raider io isn't the bible, they make weird gearing choices and some fairly blatant mistakes

[rustic copper]

They crafted cloaks?

[pulsar kettle]

yup

[rustic copper]

I hate m+ers

[molten gull]

ok. but if my goal is pushing m+, i don't think it is the worst place to look for guidance.

[waxen ingot]

They also have like

[pulsar kettle]

guess the io

[waxen ingot]

38% mastery

[rustic copper]

That is fucking crazy lol

[pulsar kettle]

hey man hes 3720 io he must be right

[waxen ingot]

I dont think crafting cloak is the worst thing ever tbh

[molten gull]

I don't really care one way or the other. Just pointing out that very high level players are doing it, and not just some one off player. They're likely doing a lot more challenging content than most people asking for advice on here

Which basically just leads to... it probably doesn't matter that much to most people

[rustic copper]

Its pretty up there

I’m ngl

[rustic copper]

It doesn’t matter that much, you’re like maybe .5% weaker

It’s just stupid though

Bis list reader type shit

[molten gull]

.5% if you're in the absolute worst setup, maybe. probably more like 0.1% otherwise

[rustic copper]

No

[thorn plover]

Chest is way huge stats over cloak

[rustic copper]

If you crafted a chest and spent the hero crests on other slots and wore a diff cloak you’d just be mathematically more powerful

[wide rose]

whats the most common control schemes among high performing healers? full keyboard or keyboard + mmo mouse

[thorn plover]

No correlation

[waxen ingot]

You have so little buttons that it doesnt really matter now

i have everything on my mouse

[wide rose]

ofc no correlation

but i'm asking whats more common

[waxen ingot]

this is what i use

[thorn plover]

I have no heals bound to my mouse

Lol

Convoke on thumb, tranq on middle mouse

[wide rose]

should i look into mouseover? i clic for everything rn

[thorn plover]

I use mouseover for everything

[wide rose]

dispelling really fast is particularely difficult mid very big pull in a 10-12

atm

[wide rose]

this is interesting

do you never zoom then?

just max zoom all the time

[rustic copper]

I rebound zoom to alt + scroll wheel personally

[vivid peak]

can i get the healable crystals on danders?

[molten gull]

Mouseover is gamechanging

I wouldn't heal if I didn't have mouseover

[wide rose]

i'll look into it i never had to consider it before

(because controller tab target was so good)

[wide rose]

is this a plungin to help manage keybinds? or just a different ui

[whole horizon]

an audible pandemic reminder or some indicator when LB is down

[opaque frost]

I use danders and bind everything to that.

[whole horizon]

i track it on raid frames, have a cdm buff bar, a big red flashing alert when im in combat and no LB is active, and an audio pandemic reminder

[waxen ingot]

this is danders

[spring crow]

is coach whistle still good? cant seem to find a trinket tier list thats not raid bis

[wide rose]

oh ok ty

[molten gull]

can anyone fill me in on what this QE Live recommendation of Forgotten Farstrider's Insignia trinket? Is that just some bug?

[opaque frost]

@waxen ingot can you see the fear debuff on dragon boss with danders? I’ve run into that issue of not seeing dispels on the dragon boss with danders.

[main timber]

Can you reword your question

[molten gull]

This trinket is said to be my biggest upgrade, but I don't see anyone using it?

[whole horizon]

do your other trinkets suck really bad?

[molten gull]

yea of course but thats not the point. better trinkets should be better

[main timber]

Isn't that just the world boss trinket?

[whole horizon]

its comparing what you have available in your bags...

[molten gull]

Perhaps. QE Live says its from 'leatherworking' but that aint right

[whole horizon]

you used top gear when you wanted upgrade finder?

[main timber]

I thought i fixed that. Make sure you refreshed your page

[molten gull]

Yeah I know, but it has this trinket above things like myth track heart of wind, emberwing feather, etc

[whole horizon]

paste the link to your report

[molten gull]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/upgradereport/yvblttdxsimi

does that work?

[whole horizon]

yeah its just a scaling issue on that trinket

it doesnt go to 285

you can ignore it in that report

[molten gull]

Ah I see

Thanks!

[waxen ingot]

Yeah i do

[main timber]

I need to put version number on upgrade reports too

[molten gull]

You're the developer for QE Live?

Thanks for your work!

[main timber]

[molten gull]

That's probably a well known thing, but I'm not a person in the know so excuse my ignorance haha

[whole horizon]

are there any logs from RWF so far or nah

[spark river]

Its not over yet

So probably a no

[whole horizon]

i figured they might release the early bosses but i never follow rwf really

just curious about specific talent choices

[unreal swan]

how hard is resto to learn if i swap from balance

i just want to push high keys...

[opaque frost]

@waxen ingot ok must be something messed up in my settings then

[gentle nova]

its easy in dungeons

[opaque frost]

@unreal swan it’s not hard per se but it’s learning when abilities are gonna happen so you can pre hot before them

[spark river]

We kinda know what rycn is playing

[waxen ingot]

my good raid friend

made sure i can show u how it looks

[tough portal]

Damn

[rustic coyote]

Is there a way to have fix hot position like old WA?

[blissful apex]

okay that actually is helping a lot @thorn plover

[wide rose]

its a good addon

[proven phoenix]

has to be danders

any time someone posts completely bricked raid frames

its danders

[pulsar kettle]

holy

[rustic copper]

I’m very jealous

I prob don’t even kill that boss this week

[proven phoenix]

surely its worth to do at least 1 luura kill

what are u guys doing

[rustic copper]

crown prog

I mean we spent time on chim splits

That’s just like 10x more time efficient for gear

I’m like the only person that wants items from that boss

[drifting timber]

we want to be sending our swiftmends on targets w/ the most hots right?

[thorn plover]

Lifebloom target if you're playing VI. And ya ideally they have more hots than that

[rustic copper]

If you play vi you want to extend a lb and 2 rejuvs

[drifting timber]

and prosperity i can send on whoever has hots and is low for spot healing?

[thorn plover]

You want to pick a wg to consume if you're using prosp, ideally

[urban kestrel]

wait it keeps the leech when we convert it?

gd

ty for confirming torty

[empty agate]

apex talent vs no apex talent on vanguard is just if we struggle on heal absorbs to get health up faster? i feel like no apex is still good

[spark narwhal]

hello blooming friends, I still have issues measuring item "performance" ? or utility ?..
Like, is a 6/6 champion with perfect stats is better than a 6/6 heroic with half good stats ?
Do I switch wrists if i can get it higher than 2/6 ? If yes at which level should I consider it's worth swapping them ?

[rustic copper]

Use qelive to compare items but hero wrists should be one of the last slots you spend hero crests on ideally

[primal cargo]

int is ultimate stats so item level > all other stats but if difference is small like bracers i can take stats in consideration

bis slot gear and bis stats is considered for end game gear , so til u get max item level put item lvl > all in most cases if not its super shity one

[spark narwhal]

my gear is kinda messy rn, I have full set as champion bc I wanted the achievement U_u
ok, it roughly depends how much intel I get from the peace..