resto

[slow pasture]

My heart

Is beating so much

More than on a Mattiu pp

[hardy junco]

inb4 resto dudu nerfs after

[thorn plover]

pulling exact same time rn

lets go

[primal cargo]

oi was going to craft 2h staff

but got from skyreach the staff with haste/mastery

m10 one

[grand herald]

Myth track?

[primal cargo]

so now what ?

[thorn plover]

myth or hero

[primal cargo]

hero 3/6

[grand herald]

Then it doesn't matter

[thorn plover]

you still craft

[grand herald]

Craft staff

[primal cargo]

ok

[thorn plover]

why dont they just run 5 blood dks

[tough portal]

Need raid buffs

[primal cargo]

2h wep still req 90 crests?

[thorn plover]

yes

[bright swift]

80

[cosmic bison]

just trying to get someone else's opinion. i have a champion legs that i can convert to tier and a heroic tier chest. would you recommend just crafting a chest or one of the off pieces like belt/wrist or wait till heroic legs to convert?

[thorn plover]

get 4 piece asap to start getting more catalyst charges

[cosmic bison]

sorry didnt mention but i do have 4 set

[thorn plover]

then get the piece youre missing and craft chest

[cosmic bison]

ty

[icy hatch]

hey guys anyone have addon with reminder to use trinket's like whistle from algathar academy? there is no way i will remember about it without wa xD

[thorn plover]

Buff Reminders

[hardy canopy]

god swapping some haste for mastery did wonders for how i feel about my healing in keys

it was pissing me off that double rejuv regrowth wg was not enough for some shit

[storm kettle]

Anyone else having an issue not getting reforestation stack when using SM right after pull? 100% after boss was already pulled, like 2-3 sec into the fight

[hardy canopy]

its hotfixed

since friday

[storm kettle]

The hotfix is for pre pull

[thorn plover]

hes saying after pull not getting stacks

[hardy canopy]

maybe you were not in combat when the gcd kicked in idk

[icy hatch]

thank you

how much mastery is optimal for keys?

[thorn plover]

theres not really a number, you want as much haste and mastery as you can get

[thorn plover]

heres the settings to add whistle

[whole horizon]

like every season, there will probably be a reasonable amount of haste/mastery where you feel like you can comfortably heal the content you want to do

at that point its vers for dmg

[main timber]

For most players just send haste / mastery all season

[hardy canopy]

☝️

can we start bombarding feedbacks about the soul of the forest range

it is noticeably annoying

[thorn plover]

yeah its pretty awful

[stoic sentinel]

hey do you guys take resto druid loot spec or can you play around and choose balance ? idk about the loot table atleast that's what we mages do (take frost spec as arcane)

[thorn plover]

search in here and youll find a spreadsheet

[stoic sentinel]

cheers

[bronze meadow]

on QE, what do I put my secondaries on the bottom left?

[main timber]

Haste / Mast

[bronze meadow]

okay thank you, I thought that was what it was but I didn't know if secondaries meant like ur 2nd stat prio other then haste mastery, tysm!

[muted thicket]

is there any chance to avoid the 4 sec stun on chimaerus if youre assigned for the heal swap?

Any tech

[lapis grove]

people are using this on mythic raid

when do u use that?

[grizzled seal]

you use it in cat for 5 combo points, then dumb on FB

and shift out

[hearty coral]

To get mana back from master shapeshifter

[grizzled seal]

if you are using this Master Shapeshifter in the resto tree

[rigid mirage]

pretty big dot too atleast in pv

pvp

[cerulean stratus]

how was paladins

[grizzled seal]

complete piss, we 6 healed

[cerulean stratus]

i'm conflicted right now if i play tree or convoke

[grizzled seal]

our healer parses on the kill

[thorn plover]

😴

[cerulean stratus]

or apex non apex

[grizzled seal]

I did apex

[cerulean stratus]

too many choices

[grizzled seal]

but I also bottom fragged

[bright swift]

I'm playing tree on Alleria

feels very good so far

[grizzled seal]

apexless?

[bright swift]

yes

[grizzled seal]

I did a few pulls in the start

do you guys have any vantuses on alleria?

[bright swift]

no

like 1

[grizzled seal]

I feel like we fucked up vantusing healers on paladins

[bright swift]

We had to since we had a healer afk today

so we had to kill thursday

[cerulean stratus]

i guess ill try convoke apex

played tree non apex and felt good but im oom min 5:30

need the handicap ms

[thorn plover]

how do you go oom playing tree

[cerulean stratus]

idk im healing

[bright swift]

i cast ff on pull

and then again at end of p1

so much mana

[grizzled seal]

reck pots too

[bright swift]

ofc

is that paladins

[grizzled seal]

yeah

[cerulean stratus]

gamer

[hazy spoke]

Is wildstalker better in raid now?

[grizzled seal]

yeah but I mean thats no MS

[grizzled seal]

no, it's pretty shit

[bright swift]

We keep missing obilisks and arrows in P2

just fucks the entire phase

we phase too early

[cerulean stratus]

jsut goes down LOL

[bright swift]

parses 50

[hazy spoke]

167k vs 151k

[bright swift]

50 parses

man

[grizzled seal]

on what?

[lapis grove]

u want to cast starfire always right? its instant and have more dmg

[grizzled seal]

in raid no

[main timber]

I'd avoid looking at brainless data

[hazy spoke]

So those 50 people aren’t onto something?

[main timber]

If you must, I wouldn't share it publicly

[grizzled seal]

link their logs

[main timber]

HPS is heavily tied to which boss you play it on

And with a small sample size, you can't make any useful conclusions

[cerulean stratus]

this to my ss?

[bright swift]

maybe I unspec photo

[thorn plover]

probably the ws logs

[bright swift]

for Alleria

[grizzled seal]

no, to the wildstalker fanboy

[cerulean stratus]

ah

[lapis grove]

why not? I just want to understand, starfire have more damage and is instant

[bright swift]

I need a UG module man

[grizzled seal]

you go oom if you dont cast regrowths

[grizzled seal]

in raids you need to play like a vegan

[main timber]

Look at the mana cost

[grizzled seal]

if a spell is not a leaf you do not cast it

[hazy spoke]

Wild growth is grass lol

[thorn plover]

grass is a leaf

[bright swift]

[hazy spoke]

I guess technically

We don’t really have non-leaf spells then

[thorn plover]

starfire and wrath

arent leafs

[proven phoenix]

@main timber how do you actually record

im so lost

what do I even do....

[main timber]

Do you have OBS

[proven phoenix]

yes

[main timber]

I start my vod of the kill, then start OBS and talk to a black screen until fight ends

[proven phoenix]

lmfao

I see

[main timber]

Then I just drag the video and audio tracks together and render. I use a free app called Kdenlive that's very easy but you can do that part in a ton of ways

And since you are just talking over a vod you need minimal editing

[bright swift]

We only have 5 melee lol

I need to lifebloom a ranged

[oak garnet]

Use obs stream labs and stream to twitch then just re-watch your vod.(Can do this in real time). Won't waste any space on your desktop stores on twitch cloud for like 60 days

Alternatively can stream w obs and capture w third party program and save to computer

[balmy spire]

Echo Done for tonight?

[thorn plover]

break

[lone moat]

hiya! im kinda new to wow and resto druids in general so got a lil question...
i decided to try out the cat build because my friend insisted it's better for keys and in general as well, and i found these talents on Archon
is taking this talent instead of shapeshifter worthy? i have some troubles with mana (especially when overall dps is low and the fight's taking forever). my first thought was that it's better for higher keys since there is more damage = need more and quicker heal, but wanted to ask for advice from resto druid mains out here

and yeah, the cat build is actually so much fun, i've been playing grove druid ever since the season started so it's a nice change of pace :)

[thorn plover]

dont use archon, go to wowhead

if youre having mana issues, youre using too much rejuv

[grand herald]

Also wouldnt say wildstalker is better in general

Keeper is still the way to go for raid

[rigid frigate]

How are rdruids doing mana management on mythic paladins? I’m taking liveliness, instead of ms, since I’m taking incarn over convoke. Pretty much 10% at 5:30 mins. Can link a log if need be

[grand herald]

Can just take MS?

[thorn plover]

cast more regrowth

[grand herald]

But maybe your tree uptime is shit

Or you are spamming rejuv too much

[rigid frigate]

Should regrowth casts be more than rejuv ? Or is it an issue of I’m not just casting regrowth enough at high abundance stacks ?

[grand herald]

They should be about equal

[cerulean stratus]

bro secret phase

[thorn plover]

SECRET PHASE

HOLY FUCK

[grand herald]

Lmaoooo

Max was already pretty sure thered be one

[gentle nova]

nick has been oom since min 7

he cant heal another 2 mins lmao

gg for rejuv spammers

[cerulean stratus]

yea

ms angle question mark

i think boss was on 20% and he had 5%

no innervate no pot

[frosty tree]

wait i missed the secret phase D:

[cerulean stratus]

boss goes to a billion

[gentle nova]

he presses too much rejuv

[lone moat]

welp, just looked through my logs - literally 2x more rejuvs than regrowths, literally 296/154 in 23 mins nexus 10
noted

[grizzled seal]

they had a massive dmg increase there

Lip was hitting for like 500k

[thorn plover]

in a 15 seat i cast 375 regrowth, 353 rejuvs

in 31 mins

[haughty ibex]

would u ever be down to share ur logs? im doing 15s too and tryna improve cuz im a bit clueless 🫩

[lone moat]

it's just a bit stressful not to press it when there's a gcd window because of germination and overall feeling that it would help somehow, but turns out it's only making it worse :(

[thorn plover]

my logs arent the right logs to look at

there are much better druids than I that you should be looking at lol

[grand herald]

M+ is different from raid

You arent supposed to heal every gcd

Know when damage events are, and prepare accordingly

Dont just perma hot everyone all the time

[frosty canyon]

I assume haste/Mastery for crafted chest?

[fervent mica]

yup

[haughty ibex]

lmao ye i get it and i do that 2, i was just curious to see tbh

but thank u

[thorn plover]

theyre public if you search my name on there

[lone moat]

i'm trying out the cat build and the playstyle is helping me to stop this healbotting i'd been doing which is nice actually, starting to find those moments when there's no reason to heal more easily

thanks for advice y'all, asked about talents but found out it's not them but spamming hots here and there XD
i started logging only yesterday and had my doubts about the amount of rejuvs, and they turned out to be true
gotta work on that :)

[thorn whale]

L'ura HC intermission goes hard

[wide rose]

hit 2k rating, maxed my 10s vault for my first week playing.
it's baby stuff but i'm pretty happy with it considering i started playing wow last week. thanks for the resources here and answering the baby questions.

man the gearing system in this game is hard to wrap your head around first time

[rich hamlet]

good job! Onwards and upwards!

[lone moat]

same!
it feels good seeing you're getting better
i was so happy to finally complete the voidspire for the first time it being my first ever raid

[wide rose]

now to work on damage

i think i'll stay at 10s for a while and try to slowly push damage as i get comfortable with the damage output

[proven phoenix]

working on damage is w/e

healing first damage later

[whole horizon]

@thorn plover my friend is using danders and cant see certain debuffs, any ideas? the Eruption cast by Void-Infused Destroyer won't show up as a targeted spell, the debuff from the circle doesn't display, and the debuff from the residual DoT doesn't show up either.

[thorn plover]

i dont use danders targeted spells, never did get them reliable

[whole horizon]

well he can't see the debuffs either

and those arent private aura

[thorn plover]

go into aura filters

and set to blizzard

then in debuffs, theres a checkbox for only dispellable debuffs

[uncut nimbus]

Hello everyone! As I see Dender's Frame pics, and I'm having a little trouble configuring my interface. I'm hoping someone might know how to fix it.
My problem is this:
As you can see in my two screenshots, one has a single aura (Cd Def Auras disabled) and the other has two of the same Cd Def auras (Cd Def Auras enabled).
What I'm trying to do is simply move the glowing aura to the right. It seems simple, but I've looked everywhere and haven't found anything.
I'm starting to think it might not even be a Dender's Frame issue... Any ideas?

[thorn plover]

that looks like another addon making that glowing one

[vivid peak]

Minicc makes glowing defensives

[uncut nimbus]

That's what I thought. I thought about EQL but I didn't remember how I seted up xD

[uncut nimbus]

Aight got that one too let me check

[green basalt]

Was watching a couple of the few high recorded Rdruid keys on M+ and it may be obvious, but the amount of comfort the player had to just leave a rejuv or two spread on anyone other than the tank and sometimes nothing at all seemed nuts. Idk if it's a pug thing or maybe since he's got an aug, but it seems like if I don't have hots rolling on everyone at all times, they are getting absolutely blasted.

[vivid peak]

play enough and you just know when and what damage comes out

you start noticing that you dont have to heal some things

[uncut nimbus]

And somone know how to remove this red border of frames ? in which Denders menu ?

[vivid peak]

is that when you have aggro or you're targeting yourself?

[uncut nimbus]

Yeah i'm 1v1

[thorn plover]

indicators > highlights

[uncut nimbus]

You mean, when i'll be in M+ only tank frame will be red border ?

[vivid peak]

yeah and if a dps pulls aggro you will see it

[uncut nimbus]

Aight well thank you all ❤️

[pastel dragon]

In +14/15s ive swapped out swipe for Frenzied Regeneration, do you think it's also worth taking Ursines vigor, maybe moving 1 point out of matted fur?

[inner sonnet]

Swipe?

When do we use swipe

[thorn whale]

I don't think you need Ursines Vigor in 14/15's

[inner sonnet]

https://not-even-close.com/
Check to see if you live certain mechanics with/without ursine at x key level

[edgy basalt]

Difference between dps players that know whats up and the risk of a random pug taking damage and exploding

[pastel dragon]

oh thats a cool resource, thankyou

[inner sonnet]

Matted Fur allows me in many cases to get one extra gcd out before having to worry about myself tbh very worth not dropping a point into it unless mechanics starts really hurting, which it wont at 14/15

[gentle nova]

3+ targets when everything is raked

[inner sonnet]

I aint got swipe money, these pugs are taking too much damage

[pastel dragon]

that's a good point

[main timber]

I'd be a bit cautious with Frenzied. It disappears if you shift out of bear and you dont want to spend too many healing checks not pressing buttons

[proven phoenix]

watching nick play incarn on this fight has kinda convinced me to default incarn ngl

he is just holding almost 200k hps for all of p1

[pastel dragon]

that's true, i find it nice to just click any time i bear form for a known incoming hit even if i just get a second or 2 of it but I'll learn not to lean on it

[hasty blade]

Wait, I never knew this. You lose the hot if you shift out of bear?

[proven phoenix]

yes

frenzied regen only works in bear

[hasty blade]

good to know

ty

[main timber]

It was a change at some point. You could do it in Legion era

[inner sonnet]

Incredibly strong in legion

for pvp atleast

[torn thunder]

except for the one you proc form the talent

that one works out of bear

[thorn plover]

also has crazy gear, and is going oom at like 5 mins

[proven phoenix]

does he have crazy gear

his trinkets are a void suffuser and some other bs

[hearty coral]

Damn I have a void suffuser

[main timber]

Yeah his gear is not what you would expect given infinity splits

[hearty coral]

I guess I'm rwf ready

...

[proven phoenix]

liquid is perma dead p1 and i1 now

lmao

[thorn plover]

yeah im sure that fucked them mentally for a bit

[hearty coral]

What happened ?

[thorn plover]

secret phase

boss hit 0, they thot they won. revived with 1b hp

[hearty coral]

O_O

[thorn whale]

I don't like what you're saying rn

[proven phoenix]

hey man im just the messanger

[bright swift]

It's good on rot fights

like Alleria too

I'm playing Tree on Alleria

[pastel dragon]

when learning when to start ramping and when to pop off with regrowths do you look at logs to identify where the periods of high raid damage are for any given fight?

[bright swift]

no

health = low? regrowth

health = high? rejuv

but I obviousiy know where the damage is

since I made all the cds

[edgy basalt]

Hi so, custom raid frames, what's recommended? So I can place lifebloom on certain corners or such. Used to use Grid2, but stopped cuz of addon changes

[main timber]

Grid2 still good

There are others but if you already used and like that one then may as well continue with it

[edgy basalt]

Right, I was just concerned over it tracking magic debuffs well or not

or health absorbs

[main timber]

Yep it can do all that

[edgy basalt]

Do u have to like go out of your way to add debuffs and stuff

or is it just doing it automatically

like if I go onto Cosmos itll just work?

[main timber]

You do have to set up quite a bit of stuff but you can also just yoink a profile that has everything already and then customize appearance if you like

[thorn plover]

grid or danders both solid options, grid if you were already used to it

[edgy basalt]

Thank you guys

[main timber]

There's a profile on QE to get you started if you need one

[thorn whale]

big overheal %

rank 1 overheal gg

wtf is disc priest btw

[thorn plover]

pretty average

[wraith herald]

dont you love 6 healing

[thorn plover]

6 parse and basically same hps

lol

[edgy basalt]

Looks like my Grid2 settings are saved from last xpac which is nice, ill check QE live for the import thing ty Voulk

[fervent mica]

i had a mid purple parse on some boss... and the dragon was above me with a gray...

felt great

[thorn whale]

I don't mind whatever gets us world ranks but

the gameplay I have to drop to just barely get above him

is crazy

[fervent mica]

yes. boss dead = 100 parse for everyone

[edgy basalt]

God Using Grid2 is so much sexier I wanna cry

my hots are in different corners and larger adn I can see everything super easy

[little briar]

whats the addon called, to track the sigils on midnight falls?

[thorn whale]

You don’t have access to it.
I think northern sky has just published one today

But it’s only for mythic

[edgy basalt]

on heroic pug we just had someone click 5 buttons that said the shape in chat + clean raid calling

[little briar]

ahh

[thorn whale]

You killed it on heroic with a pug???

[edgy basalt]

I SURE DID

[little briar]

pugs so aids

[thorn whale]

What the fk

[edgy basalt]

It was like the only pug listed for several days

[thorn whale]

Did you go on voice

[edgy basalt]

yeah of course

[thorn whale]

Ah alright makes more sense

[edgy basalt]

ye

Otherwise it's cooked

[thorn whale]

Yeah we fked around on it for a while

And we’re not a pug

[placid flax]

ya i pugged H march yesterday no voice

[thorn whale]

Link logs

I wanna see what kind of players does that

[edgy basalt]

well u only invite people with 95%+s for a start :^)

half kidding half serious

[placid flax]

let me see if buddy who was with me has em

[rustic copper]

let me at march

I need the helm

and we aren't doing it

[little briar]

im struging to find a decent pug for h march

[placid flax]

ya i wanted neck or ring but nothing

[thorn whale]

We were waiting for one of our priests to come home

So we decided to just do march

Spent 45 minutes getting cooked by last boss

And then went back to spire

Gg

[edgy basalt]

Look yourself up on website

[little briar]

anyone got a decent talent build for the raids, like smash healing

[thorn whale]

What does smash healing mean

Wowhead recommended build is good

[little briar]

rhmm

[rustic copper]

those are good for a lot of people

afaik the helm is only good for rdruid that don't play 4p

which is like only 5 people

[thorn whale]

Are you on crown rn?

[rustic copper]

yes

well

we are splitting chim at this second

[little briar]

which one no apex or

[rustic copper]

but we killed paladins

[thorn whale]

Convoke or tree

[rustic copper]

I'm playing apex convoke

[proven phoenix]

splitting chim

[rustic copper]

on everything

[main timber]

Just catalyze it anyway or

[rustic copper]

it destroys the leech

right?

[proven phoenix]

no one knows

[rustic copper]

ok

well I haven't tried it

[wicked veldt]

somebody told me it doesnt

[thorn plover]

it shows you in the preview

[placid flax]

every piece that ive cata'd that has leech on it it keeps it

[thorn whale]

Also Niko is allergic to setpieces

[thorn whale]

same on paladins

[wicked veldt]

historically, pieces with a fixed leech stat (rather than a proc) have lost it when catalysed

[placid flax]

ah

[main timber]

Keeps it

[placid flax]

god this website is taking forever to update

[main timber]

Notably this is not a fixed leech stat

[rustic copper]

[main timber]

It's applied via bonus ID

Like proc leech

[rustic copper]

holllyy molyyyy

[thorn whale]

Back on 4p?

[rustic copper]

no

[thorn whale]

[rustic copper]

I don't even have the helm and I'm not playing 4p

[proven phoenix]

you need to be killed

[rustic copper]

do I craft shoulders?

[bright swift]

it doesn't

[fervent mica]

i got one from box last week on dh alt... ez check

[thorn plover]

thats wild

better put that in the bis list

lol

[cursive pilot]

3rd carries over

[placid flax]

i keep getting an error on all my kills this week

when i look on raiderio

[cursive pilot]

check back tomorrow

[placid flax]

ya was gonna check wclogs to see if its the same

nah even there only shows first 3 this week and rest aren't showing wtf

[thorn plover]

then you didnt upload them

stopped your log or restarted your game during live log

[placid flax]

oof

[rustic copper]

I was talking about specifically the item that comes with leech

these items historically can proc a 2nd tertiary and when catalyzed only carry the procced one and they delete the one that comes with it

but this item is different

[main timber]

I have no idea why they didnt just attach the leech to the item itself

[fervent mica]

very weird... yeah

[whole horizon]

can you proc leech on the leech helm and catalyze 2 terts over

[fervent mica]

was surprised that it could get a 2nd tert with that way

[whole horizon]

holy

[main timber]

I'd assume not but any other tert should work

It uses the same ID as regular leech proc

[fervent mica]

i just linked earlier so we know its possible

[main timber]

Yeah I saw that, sorry I just meant Speed will work too

[fervent mica]

yeah

[whole horizon]

imagine if the leech just stacked and rolled into a single stat

just casually having like 120 leech on your helm + the enchant

[rustic copper]

you should be able to get double leech helm I think then

[main timber]

They use the same ID so I suspect not but you never know

[fickle garden]

how tf did you get two terts

i didnt even know that was possible

[fervent mica]

that helm has baseline leech, normally you lose the base tert when you catalyze... but not with that one

[hardy canopy]

how where

[fervent mica]

its the helm from march... has leech baseline

[fluid shadow]

Is there a way to sim in QE what the best crafting piece would be to make?

[fervent mica]

add each item and set them as vault

or just use the upgrade finder

and look at numbies

[hard loom]

is everyone just slammin no apex for raid now with 4 set

[velvet prawn]

Hello!

First post here, thanks in advance for any help/advice.

Getting back into WoW after a break, and I'm wondering if owl weaving wild stalker is viable.

I've noticed several of the highest ranked rdruids on Warcraft logs do spec into moonkin form, but none of them take Circle of the Heavens, or Dream of Cenarius.

Are these trash talents?

Searched here and seems people do owlweave (at a DPS loss).

And based on people on logs taking moonkin form seems it can be a thing, just curious why they'd take CotW over CotH.

Any advice is very appreciated!

[marsh prism]

we do better damage by doing damage directly, and we do better healing by healing directly. regarding doc

the spells it works off are just beans

[fervent mica]

feral frenzy is insane single target...

owl stuff is really only good at padding on trash... but even then you're doing nothing compared to the dps

[velvet prawn]

Ah ok so doc just isn't worth the throughput, waste of talent. What about CotH vs CotW?

And do these top logs players that don't take swipe just use the boomy for aoe and cat for sing targ?

[grand herald]

your circle is just dependant on what damage you intend to do

[pulsar galleon]

guys, anyone can help me to undertands what the other druid do in the log?

[fervent mica]

you just don't really use swipe

[marsh prism]

i literally do not know what talents you are talking about

oh

[fervent mica]

just more kitty dots

[marsh prism]

is it the choice node?

[grand herald]

the +phys or +magic dmg node

[marsh prism]

oh yeah its just whatever

[fervent mica]

yeah, phys is just way stronger

mostly due to the hotw spell feral frenzy

[pulsar galleon]

https://br.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/92Zg4YJBM8wHD6cQ/self?fight=44%2C44&type=healing&source=1%2C135 please guys, whats solarbynho do

[grand herald]

what do you mean

[pulsar galleon]

the diferent

healing much more

[grand herald]

compared to?

[grand herald]

we dont need to compare your logs to someone else to tell you what you are doing wrong

[proven phoenix]

who is solarbynho

[fervent mica]

its a guy asking what the other druid in his group is doing better than him

[pulsar galleon]

this

[grand herald]

are we comparing two different fights

???

[fervent mica]

its the same pull

they just put it in twice for some reason

[edgy basalt]

@main timber Hi, earlier you said I can get profiles for Grid2 on QE, i assumed QElive, where can I find these?

[marsh prism]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/user-interface

[grand herald]

you can just post your log instead of this mess and we can tell you what you are doing wrong

[marsh prism]

i found the log

[grand herald]

for future reference

[marsh prism]

i could not figure out how to get out of that view and language

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/92Zg4YJBM8wHD6cQ?fight=44

[edgy basalt]

Thank you!!

[pulsar galleon]

sorry

[grand herald]

cast more RG, cast more SM and WG

you have 20% lifeblooom uptime

it should be 90% +

[marsh prism]

everything they're saying ^

[velvet prawn]

Ok cool that makes sense. Thank you all for responses, very kind of you!

So the reason to spec into Starfire/Sunfire and not take swipe is maybe just for large group aoe?

Like, 3 target or less just rip/shred and maybe booming for larger packs?

[fervent mica]

even then sunfire isn't worth hitting...

[edgy basalt]

So I just import and itll work with what I already have and not mess aynthing up ezpz yeah?

[marsh prism]

should

[grand herald]

is your SQW fucked?

[fervent mica]

sunfire is literally... i want it to make like i'm doing something

[grand herald]

cause downtime everywhere

[velvet prawn]

Lol heard

[pulsar galleon]

what is sqw?

[grand herald]

spell queue window

[marsh prism]

spell queue window

[main timber]

It'll replace whatever you already have to be clear (but you will be able to swap back to it if you prefer your old setup)

[edgy basalt]

Yeahh im seeing this

i want to just import the debuffs

[grand herald]

type this in game /dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow")

[pulsar galleon]

one sec

[edgy basalt]

Default UI tracks peoples defensives well by default and the raid debuffs, but its ass for visual clarity and positioning of hots :<

[pulsar galleon]

return 300

[grand herald]

type /console SpellQueueWindow 400

[hard loom]

Everyone playing no apex in raid now with 4 set hey?

[pulsar galleon]

did

[grand herald]

that should give you less gaps, but yeah work on the other stuff mentioned

[pulsar galleon]

i will try, thanks Azurelen

[fluid compass]

what about 67

[grand herald]

begone you boomkin traitor

[fluid compass]

[soft dagger]

What is you guys Mastery doing M+ at 14+ keys? I am at 31 haste but only 24% mastery I feel fine until 13 but 14 and up it takes more effort to top people up while I see some doing 18+ and they top up their party quite faster than me. This is given that I do correct healing

[dense lantern]

He swapped with me

We're good

give one to get one type of shit

[soft dagger]

Normaly I only push to 3k io but this season since M+ are more roburst in term on players its easier to find group so I decide to push for 3k2 at least

[dense lantern]

It's not like haste doesn't contribute to healing

[crisp mauve]

think im 21% mastery @ 3400 io

i havent tried to stack it tho

[dense lantern]

I wouldn't worry too much about individual stat % and focus more on the execution

[soft dagger]

thats good to know mate. That means i will just have to play more 14+ keys to get used to damage profile. Cheers!!!

[crisp mauve]

thats pretty much it. just keep practicing. try to get some recording software to watch back too where you're not sure what you did wrong but a wipe happened

[dense lantern]

Just to clarify, this is as long as you're simming with qelive and generally speaking prioritizing haste/mastery

[crisp mauve]

i use 'insights', which clips the last 5 minutes when i press a hotkey

[soft dagger]

M+ this season feel much more roburst and the numbers backed it up. Currently there are more than double people running M+ compare to TWW Season 1. Its insane number!

[crisp mauve]

rdru is a proactive healer, so if people are taking heavy damage and you don't have hots out you are probably already fucked

which might explain why you are having trouble topping people

[soft dagger]

Thank you guys! I am just want to put those stats worries aside and focus on self improvement. This has been very re-assuring.

[fallen pagoda]

are yall using convoke or incantation?

[soft dagger]

depends on the content and play style, also the encounter.

[fallen pagoda]

whoops for raid

i mean

[soft dagger]

I am lazy and my guild only do heroic raid so i just run convoke

[fallen pagoda]

whats ur hps w/ convoke?

[soft dagger]

cant really compare but Rdruid can do quite alot of healing depends on your healers comp in raid as well. from 70k-120k and more is possible

[fallen pagoda]

w/ convoke in m+ im getting easy 60k-80k ((ilvl 260)) but w/incantation im struggling at like 55k max.

[soft dagger]

m+ convoke is much better, ofc you can run tol of not recommended at all

[fervent mica]

they're similar. some better on different fights

your hps shouldn't change much between them in raid

[fallen pagoda]

weird

wonder why im struggling so bad

[soft dagger]

hps is not really a good benchmark in M+ since it varies so much esp if you pug. Last i have to do more hps helping a guildmate do an 8 compare to the same key at 12 i run earlier with pug.

[thorn plover]

playing poorly

[nocturne dock]

hey there, doing some log review after our raid, is anyone free to look at some logs, trying to see if our rdruid is low because others are pumping, or some other factor.

[thorn plover]

sure post logs

[soft dagger]

People doing 18 just doing 80-90k hps while with pug you have to the same at 13-14 keys

[fallen pagoda]

i probably am playing poorly lol this is my first time ever playing healer

[fervent mica]

they've stated they're talking about raid.

[nocturne dock]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/c2jgy6qAvm1fzrWb?fight=21&type=healing

[soft dagger]

I was answering emjuw he mention his M+ hps

[thorn plover]

too much rejuv, not enough regrowth
lifebloom uptime is low (74%, should be north of 90%)
swiftmend cpm is a bit low

[fervent mica]

"whoops for raid"

[soft dagger]

what key level you are doing right now?

[fallen pagoda]

i was doing a 7 but that is slightly irrelevant lol, im wondering why my raid healing is low

[nocturne dock]

cheers! more or less what i could see through wowanalyzer but ain't played rdruid in a long time ^^

[thorn plover]

additionally, tree uptime is crazy low.. more swiftmend will help with that

[soft dagger]

in raid what healers you have in your team. If you play with good fast healer and your groups geared you will do less healing. Just pop a log in here people will help you analize. Since nothing can be said to much effect if you dont provide logs

[thorn plover]

tell them to switch power of the dream talent to control of the dream

[fallen pagoda]

true, will do. thank you!

[thorn plover]

your other healers are also pumping, which makes it a bit harder, but the druid is underperforming

[fallen pagoda]

where do you guys drop lifebloom in raid? just to whoever is taking the most dmg at the time ?

[thorn plover]

depends on the fight

[fallen pagoda]

doing vanguard rn

[thorn plover]

self is usually pretty good

[fallen pagoda]

self makes sense now that im thinking about it

[nocturne dock]

Ye exactly, me and the pres usually blasting, she didn't do as bad on our chimmy kill tho. What about verdent infusion vs Prosperity, the swiftmend choice node?

[thorn plover]

somewhat personal preference

i like VI, but i know others are playing prosp

but she isnt making use of prosp at all

shes sitting on swiftmend for a LONG time

swiftmend is like our most important ability to push

[fallen pagoda]

is swiftmend a use on cooldown spell?

like every time?

[thorn plover]

yes

[fallen pagoda]

even in period of low dmg??

[thorn plover]

yes

[fallen pagoda]

gotcha

same with wild growth too right?

[thorn plover]

yes

[fallen pagoda]

gotcha thank you for the advice it's much appreciated

[nocturne dock]

Yeah i was comparing with another rdruid and although they had same casts of rejuv his was heailng way more, i assume because of soul of the forest rejuvs hitting multiple, and she isnt hitting swiftmend enough to proc it?

[thorn plover]

correct

[nocturne dock]

awesome, well thanks alot for help!

[gentle nova]

echo has to win

2 rdruid

[soft dagger]

thanks to secret phase that make it possible. Liquid must be a bit dissapoint to see the boss go back up to 100% after they brought it down to 0%

[thorn plover]

i think echo more disappointed that they stayed up an extra 3 hours for nothing

hope theyre getting a horrible sleep

[frozen prairie]

ngl blizzard cooked with this one.

[thorn plover]

why are we in space all the time

[gentle nova]

hows sylvannas stronger than xalathat

[thorn plover]

i dont know anything about any lore, ill be honest

[red dew]

sylvanas has a bow and a bird, xalatath just has her feet

[cerulean sonnet]

what would be causing me to accidentally go into moonkin form during combat

[gentle nova]

wrathing with fluid form

[cerulean sonnet]

ahh i see

i appreciate it

[onyx trail]

[lavish herald]

Anyone know how to make bleeds show on dander frames?

[soft dagger]

yeah they basically went sleep 80% accepting that they lost the RWF but somehow secret phase saved them. Its more fun this way though since Liquid has been dominating the whole TWW and even before that they were already feel stronger but has some unlucky world 2nd.

[drifting timber]

whats a good amount of healing for a full tranq cast in raid? i just did one and it was around 600k

seems low

[hardy canopy]

now count flourish

[drifting timber]

well i used it again on a pull and got 1.18 mil

trying to better undestand how to mix/max that big cd.

[hardy canopy]

you want as many hots up as you can before you press it

[frozen prairie]

In Aura Filters set to Blizzard ( default) or run setup wizard on direct API and set what you want to see.

check this also in Debuffs uncheck it

[lavish herald]

Ty

[dry valve]

Goth mommy > emo mommy

[gentle nova]

this boss

LMAOOOOOOOOO

[dry valve]

Plus sylvanas cooks better fried chicken (night elves)

[gentle nova]

fucking beam of hell

lmao

[dry valve]

Learn your shapes

[limpid jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/idiocracy-dumb-gif-22939957

[stoic sentinel]

Is it more healing-intensive than the last expansion, meaning healers have less time to deal damage overall? talking about 14+ or higher anyone can share their experience

[thorn whale]

Don’t know yet honestly

It’s hard to know when you haven’t put in the time to learn the dungeons properly

[fervent mica]

it seems similar...

though the dmg to gcd ratio feels much worse

[thorn whale]

Would say similar as well yeah

[limpid jacinth]

Definitely feel like I have similar DPS windows to TWW but not as much as DF.

Basically every boss has some significant downtime in it

[stoic sentinel]

makes druid hard to master i guess compared to other healers

cheers for your input

[limpid jacinth]

how so

[stoic sentinel]

just thinking about switchig forms while planing ahead to get hots rolling + doing damage or is that not a big deal at all?

[fervent mica]

its just dungeon knowledge... druid has to plan more than a reactive healer... but it heals for such crazy amounts that its fine

[stoic sentinel]

glad i chose this class as a toon

[thorn whale]

Druid is harder to master when it comes to dealing damage yeah 👍🏼

[stoic sentinel]

afraid that this is more fun than playing dps

[gentle nova]

Weird take

Theres 0 dopamine in healer dps

[stoic sentinel]

but in healing

[frozen prairie]

Haven't watched Echo last night. But i remember they had two rdruids. Now they switched one rdruid for disc. We are cooked.

[gentle nova]

They want the damage

And pu

Pi

[grizzled seal]

They swapped out a druid that was being gapped by Rycn

[frozen prairie]

[thorn whale]

Torty what you playing on Crown

[gentle nova]

Swapped to the same player in a diff spec

[grizzled seal]

Not decided yet

Maybe tree

[gentle nova]

This jack of all trades guy kinda sucks ye

[thorn whale]

What do you mean?

[grizzled seal]

I mean Rycn is a known priest too

[thorn whale]

Thinking about it too

[gentle nova]

Not fair to compare the other druid tho

He had diff tranq timers and wasnt getting paradox on intermission

Druid goes up 50k hps there

[tacit trout]

is it ok to swap germ for regensis in keys? I'm struggling to keep x2 rejuv up and deal with people taking avoidable damage as a new resto

[thorn whale]

Nope

That would be a top 2 worst choices I've seen haha

[tacit trout]

I just don't know how often I should keep x2 rejuvs up I get caught up in maintaining it

[thorn whale]

You're not supposed to keep x2 rejuv up on people all the time

Think of the 2nd rejuv as a "I know this person will take extra damage"

Elsewise 1 is all you need

[tacit trout]

so it's not for the entire party or the dps? Just the guy that makes oopsies?

[thorn whale]

Not oopsies. It can be having a dot on them or something like that

You can't predict oopsies, so you can't really know who to double hot

[tacit trout]

I see

what about party wide pulse dmg?

[grand herald]

ramp as much as you need

if its double rejuv levels of ramp, so be it

[thorn whale]

As Azurelen said, it really depends how much damage people are gonna take

I don't think I ever needed double rejuv ramps last tier

[grand herald]

most damage in M+ is predictable

[thorn whale]

but idk I haven't gone above 15 in this tier yet

[tacit trout]

I see. ok thank you guys

[grand herald]

and the non predictable stuff.. one shots people at any decent level

[reef zenith]

Would also agree with Donby. From my experience, 14s this week at the 260-275 ilvl start to feel like mistakes cannot be outmuscled. People will die to poor choices be it poor pulls, missed interrupts, standing in bad etc.

Lower down the totem pole - weekly keys absolutely can be outmuscled. If your aim is to time 10s more reliably for weekly vault and be less stressed doing it, I'd argue following eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxafmIieFQ is more likely to succeed at that level than trying to play like Vickman at that level.

Caveat of it being a different playstyle that you're fitting to a level and being open to the idea that there isn't just one optimal. Be aware it may develop some habits you then consider needing to break later.

double HoT ramps is an outmuscling, just in case that wasn't clear

[wicked veldt]

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[plain steeple]

In the 14s I play I can still outheal many mistakes or missed interrupts. Not all mechanics, but many.

[tough portal]

What does 'play like Vickman' mean here

Rejuv is his most cast spell every dungeon

[edgy basalt]

How do I make Grid2 show raid debuffs T_T

[edgy basalt]

I managed to manually add one, gotta make it show better tho

[midnight depot]

If I play convoke build, and I have a reforestation proc but have to swap form (exemple : bear for defensive or cat for sprint)

Do I have a way to get back into tree form ?

[grand herald]

No

[midnight depot]

Sad, hoped for a secret macro

Thanks tho

[muted thicket]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qz7VTkfaj3X9b4RB?fight=32&type=healing

Any tips to improve here ? Did wowanalyzer already but overall it looks okaish. ( cursed to do the healer swap and stunned for multiple seconds )

[thorn whale]

@gentle nova Your worst nightmare

[spark river]

no wg build

huge

[graceful belfry]

A degenerate question. But I've set up my grid2 in a way I love but I suddenly don't see the names of players in my frames. Seems like the easiest thing ever to solve, but I can't find the option anywhere. Anyone that knows?

[thorn whale]

it's not my log

fyi

[livid hearth]

im not max lvl yet but looking up stuff like delves because me and my friend is almost there and will be there tonight

ive heard doing delves solo is easiest, but if we wanna do stuff together, how hard is doing delve as 1 healer and 1 dps?

like 8+ stuff im readin atm, bountiful delve etc, i havent understood everything yet

[polar lichen]

still super chill

[livid hearth]

ok awesome, about delves or about weekly should be done stuff (chores). What should be the stuff i should do. Like how should i do my delves + weekly m+ and/or raids. From videos on first week ive read about hunts or nightmare stuff. Were those neede only becasue we didnt have m+ yet or are those still should be done stuff?

[spark river]

Lb uptime is kinda bad for a mythic player and you re using the wrong combat potion

[polar lichen]

you might not be able to get to nightmare prey in week one, i think the prey journey is timegated. imo doing hard preys for 2 guaranteed veterans items is still worth it since it's fairly quick, but since m+ is uncapped amounts of champ items you're right it's not strictly needed anymore. idk if delves are worth it if you're happy to get into m+ asap

[tough portal]

Hard is veteran track

Ok you edited

[muted thicket]

Still learning. Came from MW TWW to restro Druid. Anything else ?

[polar lichen]

yeah i did confuse it at first

[thorn whale]

I think recklessness is better pot

[livid hearth]

ok so delves are m+ replacements? And because m+ and delves are there, those nightmare preys arent needed as well? Im glad to hear we dont have much chores, but reading about delves system seems semi-fun. Just thinking we arent rly locked in m+, can do both like 50/50 maybe?

[thorn whale]

But elsewise it's looking fine yeah - the LB uptime is the biggest outlier

[livid hearth]

And the hard prey should be done after gearing up a bit through m+ or delves?

[polar lichen]

if youre a healer and a friend you should be able to do hard prey in leveling gear easily

[spark river]

As Donby said, its mostly alright, just small improvements now. Reck pot is way more influential than lights potential for us.

[muted thicket]

Hmm yeah QE said I should take this. But yeah that’s a bit more haste in my case

[snow dome]

Even with m+, prey is still worth it for initial gearing up. Guaranteed gear for very low time invested. (Hard and nightmare)

[runic spire]

Any of you druids using double Swiftmend in 13+ keys? It feels strange for me

[polar lichen]

id hit level cap, maybe check world quests for easy upgrades, and see if you have fun in delves

[livid hearth]

ok is it once per week thing? How do i choose the harder one? Its probably a choice option when im there? Oh there is nightmare one too? But as Lirnil said i can do hard one with lveling gear, im guessing i should wait with nightmare one for later then?

[spark river]

Most are using vi, but Im sure you ll find people play with prosperity also

I ve tried both and vi makes more sense to me

[livid hearth]

Is delves unlimited like m+? Like can i spam lvl 3 delves to gear up first or something like that? Saw that bountiful ones or stuff like that are weekly

[polar lichen]

actually you probably need to do a bunch of normal prey to unlock hard prey too

[livid hearth]

I see, i should look it up as well

[polar lichen]

bountiful delves at t8+ rewards champion track gear based on how many coffer keys you get from other activities (particularly caches from weekly quests and world quest special assigments, some other bits), up to 6 per week, and 1 hero track item per week if you get your hands on a trovehunter's bounty. apart from that delves repeatably reward adventurer track gear

(it goes adventurer < veteran < champion < hero < mythic track)

[grizzled seal]

Go healer with tank valeera in delves

Pull a lot and watch the show

[tough portal]

Bountiful Delves - highlighted delves that you need a Coffer Key to open chest - you get up to 6 Keys per week
Nightmare Preys - 2 per week

You also can get once per week an extra bounty thing in Delves that gives you 1 Hero item

Those are the main ones

Everything else you'll do at least once and by that time you should be swimming in Veteran gear and then it wont be needed anymore

[livid hearth]

how time consuming is it to farm those 6 keys? I remember no lifing visions of nzoth 6 keys every week. Not that it wasnt fun, just dont have that much time nowadays xD

[livid hearth]

I see, but until im there with tons of veteran gear, i can maybe spam lower level delves for adventure gear then maybe?

[polar lichen]

it's probably not worth it unless you really enjoy delves

[grizzled seal]

Doing low level delves is pointless

[worthy pasture]

Hii, What is the haste and mastery cap for high stones?

[grizzled seal]

Just do 8 with tank valeera as I said

[polar lichen]

adventurer gear is also from world quests and probably just level cap quests in general

[grizzled seal]

She will do the dmg, you just heal

[livid hearth]

I see. Im guessing there are better ways to farm adventure gaer and stuff instead then

[polar lichen]

it's also just possible to get veterans/champion gear without farming adventurer gear first

[grizzled seal]

Yeah just skip useless parts

Legit just do bountiful delves at lvl 8

Then do m+

If you have greens then fill with wq/rare gear

[livid hearth]

i was thinking i would probably be undergeared for lvl 8 delves as new lvl 90, so i should spam lower ones to gear up a bit for it xD

[grizzled seal]

It doesn't matter, you aren't reading what I am typing

[tough portal]

That feels a little pointless, I think the max lvl chapters of the campaign are gonna get you hooked up maybe

And yeah WQs

[grizzled seal]

.

[polar lichen]

if you bring a healer to a delve you're basically already putting more effort in than the difficulty scaling is prepared to handle

[livid hearth]

even as new lvl 90 after all wq gear and stuff?

[primal cargo]

i just started m8-10 from 210 now im 230 slowly geting there and laarned druid in hard way

[grizzled seal]

You aren't doing dmg there

Valeera does

It's not gonna be fast but you will skip pointless gearing and save a shit ton of time

[primal cargo]

im pretty sure u can heal m5 with 190 item level btw

[grizzled seal]

Anything below champ track is completely useless, don't even look at those sources of gear

[tough portal]

When you hit max level there'll be a World Tour quest, you do that content and you'll have your Bountiful Coffer Keys

[polar lichen]

now that i think about it doesnt the latter part of the level cap campaigns reward a full set of adventurer gear anyway

[static tiger]

is soul of the forest changed?

i can't get stacks out of combat anymore

[spark river]

You cant stack reforestation pre pull anymore

[static tiger]

zzz

[spark river]

But that doesnt have anything to do with sotf

[static tiger]

when did they change that?

that's what i meant

[spark river]

Recent change

[livid hearth]

I see, so bountiful coffer keys arent that hard to farm every week

[tough portal]

Yeah no they're chill

[snow dome]

Keys are quick. Just a few world quests n stuff. Especially the weekly or semi weekly zone weekly activities. Nowhere near as painful as the nzoth shit lol

(I nolifed that shit too)

And yeah, only items for first 2 levels of each prey per week. You’ll have to do a few to level up to reach the next level, but they’re quick- just pick up the traps on the ground

[livid hearth]

ok so if i unlock the harder level later the week, it still count the easy level i did at the start?

[snow dome]

For gear, the levels are independent. So first 2 normal, hard and nightmare all drop gear. Tbh the wowhead prey guide is pretty decent

[livid hearth]

I see ty

[urban kestrel]

weird question, but why did echo wait til like pull 300 to swap out a resto druid for disc

I feel so bad watching ftm fail to relearn this fight

[night granite]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GzCFXxLa214nNg7y?fight=6&type=summary Any tips for a new resto druid,

[thorn whale]

They didn't know there was a secret phase

so they moved bloodlust

and an additional PI helps them deal with some of the mechanics that Bloodlust elsewise did

[urban kestrel]

wait they're really planning to lust p4? thats a hell of a crazy play

[thorn whale]

No

P3

[urban kestrel]

oh lusting p3 I thought they already did

[thorn whale]

I don't think they did

[urban kestrel]

the lust at the 6min mark is really good for a lot of dps I like it

thats what liquid has been doing

[thorn whale]

Yeah I think they moved their BL as well

(to the 6 min mark)

right after p2 ends I think?

[urban kestrel]

liquid had been doing shit like just yolo lusting on bad crystal round in p1* tbf

[thorn whale]

But yeah I think that's why an additional priest

over rdruid

but there are so many small things that we don't think about

so there might be more reasons idk

[urban kestrel]

2 deaths to standing in stuff 1 healable looks ok to me

[thorn whale]

an additional pain supp

more execute damage (very minor but still might matter?)

[livid hearth]

question about item upgrade system. If i got set piece item on champion tier. I need to turn hero tier gear into tier later on because champion gear cant be upgraded to hero tier?

looking up about gear upgrade system atm

[spark river]

They just got easily into p4. It was a difference definitely.

[tough portal]

Right, the item in Champion upgrade track cant be changed to a different one

That's just the item

[livid hearth]

whats the strat for tier pieces for new characters?

Save the tier peice tokens until maybe hero track gear?

[polar lichen]

most important thing is to get 4 of the set asap, no matter which track, because that unlocks getting more charges

[livid hearth]

Then if u start getting myth track much later, turn them into set again?

[livid hearth]

ah ok

so dont save

[polar lichen]

save catalyst charges until you know spending them will get you 4pc

[grizzled seal]

You save until you can get 4pc

[livid hearth]

ok I see

[livid hearth]

I can check now but do all classes want 4 sets then?

I remember in df or sl? when it first got introduced, 4 set was bad on half the classes they rocked 2 sets

i mainly played pvp back then so it was normal to do that

because pve effects was bad in pvp

[polar lichen]

i havent heard of anyone not wanting it but like. i havent talked to every class and i dont pvp

[thorn whale]

We do have a resto player or two inhere who doesn't want set

[polar lichen]

should probably get the 4pc just for the achievement to unlock getting more charges anyway

[livid hearth]

them having set stats and pvp players needed vers for example

ok i see

[tough portal]

Dude

The secret phase moment for Liquid was great

But also like :( both teams coulda made it there in the same concurrent pulls

Last night

[grizzled seal]

We were watching it with my guild on discord after the raid

[polar lichen]

that woulda been sick

[tough portal]

That woulda been better

Echo got so close but Liquid was collapsing

[thorn whale]

Same, it went hard

[tough portal]

Then they got it together after Echo went to bed

[grizzled seal]

Liquid got that phase before echo went to bed

[tough portal]

Ah

Ok idk I was in bed

[thorn whale]

Echo went bed after seeing there was a secret phase yeah

[tough portal]

Only watched the vod today

[polar lichen]

im fully sold on mythic phases now. they should have mythic phases for everything.

[thorn whale]

Secret phases you mean?

[polar lichen]

yeah

[thorn whale]

It takes away the hype of one

If everything is special nothing is special

[polar lichen]

delve on t11 -> theres an extra guy popping out of your bountiful chest with mechanics youve never seen before

[dense lantern]

Yes but also it took Echo 100 more pulls to reach the secret phase today

Sure there's an element of having to readjust to the fight after sleeping

[thorn whale]

And changing comp

[dense lantern]

But 100 pulls is kinda a lot

[grizzled seal]

P1 on Lura is insane

[polar lichen]

how many pulls have they done today?

[thorn whale]

And moving lust

[grizzled seal]

If it was only p1 boss we'd take 300 pulls just to get through it

They will need to completely nuke it

[urban kestrel]

p1 lura got nerfed so hard with the glaives and it's still like a sub-50% success rate after 400 pulls

let alone the 3 dks

[dense lantern]

That said I think p4 is kind of a fake phase idk

Seems more hype than anything

In the sense that it's very low hp and Echo got it to 50% the first time they got there

[urban kestrel]

p4 is just dance around do stack and spread and run from laser, but it's a neat little burn/mobile healing phase I like it

[tough portal]

Cuz they readjusted stuff knowing there is p4, no?

Like lust timing?

[grizzled seal]

It will probably be minus one interrupt per add and +33% cast time on them. Reduced crystal health, reduced damage of everything

[urban kestrel]

better p4 final burn than jailer p4 imo

jailer p4 was just learn 1 funny bait and 1 funny dispel and you win

[dense lantern]

Yeye I wasn't aware

[grizzled seal]

What if they need lust for p4

That'd be extremely funny

[thorn whale]

Then they need week 3

I think

[tough portal]

They were making it consistently into the single digit %s last night

[urban kestrel]

I dont think heaven or hell stacks? just the ticking damage?

[thorn whale]

They're not hitting the dmg check without a lust

I think

(Reaching secret phase)

[urban kestrel]

but it was ticking like 100k every 2s on the whole raid at the end of liquid's best pull (heaven or hell 4 I think?)

[dense lantern]

Yeah they seem to be missing 10/15% based on enrage

But also hard to tell

[thorn whale]

I meant going into P4

[urban kestrel]

yeah though p1, p3, and p4 all really sold me on incarn looking like a really solid choice just for mobility and mana in that fight

[thorn whale]

Hard to judge damage in p4 yet because people are still confused going into it probably

[dense lantern]

yeye I agree

[urban kestrel]

I wasnt entirely sure if he'd keep playing incarn after the first nerf

[thorn whale]

Prepull refo is not what makes or breaks incarn

so

[urban kestrel]

I meant teh glaives nerf

just cause there's now much less p1 movement

not our nerf

[thorn whale]

Ah - I don't think the glaive movement is the heavy movement part

[urban kestrel]

pre-nerf p1 was kind of a horror show by the end of p1, now its alright

like I legit dont know how they killed a single round of crystals or memory game

pre-nerf

shit was absurd

[dense lantern]

End of p1 is insane without incarn

[thorn whale]

Intermission? or before intermission

[dense lantern]

The part before going into p2

Where they dodge stars

[thorn whale]

yeah that is why I would assume they play incarn

also it's been generally favored by RWF players anyways

pin it

rn

[grizzled seal]

Dude I'm in the trenches

[thorn whale]

I am blessed by cursed healer setup

[grizzled seal]

I will need to rewatch my paladins

Felt fine but did no healing

[thorn whale]

Double shaman double paladin

[grizzled seal]

What even

[thorn whale]

I'm looking forward to 5 healing this fker next week

[grizzled seal]

Yeah I think we'll need to as well

Our comp was double disc, evoker, mw, paladin, druid

[thorn whale]

yeah gl

I would do 0 healing if we had double disc, evoker and mw

[grizzled seal]

How are you 274

[thorn whale]

0 mythic pieces awarded

other than vault

[grizzled seal]

Crazy

I'm almost 278

[thorn whale]

They're holding me back to not make the other healers feel bad

that must be it

right

Our shaman got this

[grizzled seal]

I'm hoping for gaze in the vault

Otherwise I'm never seeing that shit

[thorn whale]

Well yeah I did get that

so that was nice

[grizzled seal]

We dropped 2 gazes in mythic yesterday

We are splitting now so hoping I will get one eventually at least on heroic

[thorn whale]

I think we just don't have time to split it

But idk

We are going back down to 2-day after today

[grizzled seal]

Yeah we raid too much

I mean it is kinda stupid cuz you can't prog without vantus

That shit needs a nerf

[thorn whale]

Birdie?

[grizzled seal]

No, vantus rune

[thorn whale]

Ah

[grizzled seal]

5% vers is way too much

[thorn whale]

Yeah it's too impactful

[slow smelt]

I can't wait for farm this week, I will finally get 1 item (I hope)

[grizzled seal]

Popping vantus gave you more than spending 400 crests

[urban kestrel]

didnt they giga-nerf vantus last time it was this big in bfa?

but I guess the story of wow development is new devs learning previously-learned lessons

[tough portal]

Wtf vantus is 5%

It used to be much less right?

[urban kestrel]

270 vers is crazy

[tough portal]

Like 2% maybe a couple xpacs ago?

[urban kestrel]

yes, it used to be 2-3% depending on the xpac

[grizzled seal]

Yep

I think it was a bit more than 2 in tww

Not sure

But you can imagine not having vantus on a boss vs having one

Legit like a 4 ilvl swing

[urban kestrel]

especially since everything from paladins onwards has relevant dps checks too

[slow smelt]

I think if we played 6 healers on palas still we wouldnt kill without vantus

[grizzled seal]

What does that mean

[slow smelt]

I believe our dmg is hella ass this season

[grizzled seal]

Next week I'm pretty sure we have to 5 heal cuz without vantus we won't have the dmg

Even with vaults and crests and shit

[thorn whale]

I think ours was pretty tight too

[urban kestrel]

yeah poptart corndog is baiting people with that strat, but I get the point pre-nerf if they couldnt come up with more warlocks

[thorn whale]

Baiting with 6 healing?

[grizzled seal]

We weren't really close with 6

Had a ton of time left

[cobalt fog]

When did the prevent pre-casting for reforestation? did i miss something?

[polar lichen]

recent hotfix, blame rwf

[cobalt fog]

man feels bad

[grizzled seal]

Yesterday at some point

[plain steeple]

Didn’t Blizz also mention that they wanna adjust addons for that fight specifically?
Most of all groups will have no chance on that fight, if the symbol positioning addon will be blocked.

[sonic mason]

Hi

I have a question, i M french player and the translate of one talent is bullshit.

Talent for spread 20% healing from Retab.

The spread is on the Hot from retab or on player next to ?

[bright swift]

Retab?

[urban kestrel]

he definitely means natures bounty

[edgy basalt]

ya just go into treant form

[urban kestrel]

but yes anyone with the regrowth hot gets healed by a new cast of retab

[tough portal]

Any player with the Retab hot up gets spread from direct Retab healing

The hot doesnt replicate on all, only direct heal

[edgy basalt]

Spreading brain damage to everyone

[toxic zephyr]

Pre nerf?

[thorn whale]

random box challenger spawned on my frames (danders)

any1 knows what this is

[urban kestrel]

pre-nerf you HAD to play 6 healers unless you could come up with 3 warlocks

but I think they just got it this weekend

[toxic zephyr]

Ye we played 6 healers prenerf , i watched the boss die 7 times without proccing the achievement cuz we lacked dps , then extended for 40 mins and got it , was really tight

[edgy basalt]

So is danders new?

[thorn whale]

since start of this expansion yeah

[urban kestrel]

newest virally marketed by automatic jack healing frames to surpass cell

(everyone already forgot cell)

[toxic zephyr]

I miss it :/

[edgy basalt]

i see

Should I be looking to make a change?

[thorn whale]

Grid2 or Danders are both good

[urban kestrel]

who knows lol, working on my Ui feels like actual work instead of gaming so I hate it

but the more you experiment and adjust you'll probably make something better and play better

[edgy basalt]

from last year, nerubar

but now I need to learn to import debuffs and stuff onto grid2

been playing with default ui this xpac until today

but debuffs werent showing up in raid