resto

[grand herald]

a stun would be a stop, incap would be a stop

[wide rose]

oh "incapacitate" sorry

oh and do i use soothe at any point in the current m+ set

i havent found a valid target

[grand herald]

there are a few enrages

the shamans in windrunner lust the mobs

some of the trolls enrage

[sinful dome]

So I thought I was doing good as resto in M+, went into the first trash pack of WS on a +13 or 14 idr which, they pulled all the trash there and heroed, and everyone died from the dot and other trash mechanics - can only dispel once every 8 seconds and was but don’t know what I was doing wrong, they all died through all of my CDs

[gentle nova]

Kicks are interrupts which stop spellcasts from that school and locks them for a couple seconds but mobs keep attacking or casting other spells from other schools/spells that cant be interrupted

Stuns completely shut down mobs

Incaps, knockups, knockbacks, disorients,blinds just stop the spellcast but it doesnt lock them down or lock the spellcast because these break on damage

Silence are like kicks but they also prevent any spellcast from any school to be casted unless its an uninterruptable cast

[grand herald]

you should be able to just heal through that

no cds necessarily required

(outside of getting lust of course)

[sinful dome]

I thought so too - it has been effortless in 10s but everyone was somehow taking far more damage than I could heal, which is where I’m confused

Has preloaded group hots going into it at double rejuv, lifebloom on tank, bark on tank, convoked and tranquil and they still died

[grand herald]

did tank have aggro

[gentle nova]

What did your hps look like

[wide rose]

and out of all of this we're able to just incapacitate, we don't have "kicks" then

wild charge doesnt count either that's just a movement slowdown right?

[grand herald]

most healers lost kicks

[sinful dome]

Pretty sure tank had aggro but it was a ton of group wide damage with 2 DPs dying almost instantly, hard to say what my hps was I wasn’t able to look and it got a bit scuffed in the meter with us die - run back - die, which at that point the second we ran in we were getting sniped by some trash spell

And tank was determined to survive and not reset

[grand herald]

did you look at the deaths in the logs?

[gentle nova]

Yeah

[wide rose]

soothing the trolls seems worth they hurt

[gentle nova]

The berserkers yea

[sinful dome]

Lemme check, been a hot minute since I’ve had to skim logs

[wide rose]

i'm just getting used to curing dots frame 1 now

makes things smoother

i like the wow utility minigame its a shame healers lost kicks

wish ff had more utility but when they add esunas to raids parsers complain

🥀

[gentle nova]

I dont i like when you have to pull 300k hps every pull

[sinful dome]

Logs are kind of jumbled from others keys and it was just a trash pull so struggling to find which part I need, looking at damage taken it seems to all just be Arcane Salvo for the most part and soul torment

[grand herald]

click deaths

[wide rose]

do people avoid removing dots to inflate hps numbers

sandbagging...

[grand herald]

i mean

sometimes i dont dispel just cause im healing

yes the 1 gcd would be better used dispelling often

but i can also just heal through it

[wide rose]

i guess its a cost opportunity thing for weaker dots

[grand herald]

for sure

[sinful dome]

this is a few of the deaths

[grand herald]

stuff like in xenas

where the dispell is just x% more shadow damage taken

you can ignore

[wide rose]

but like the tank dot on magisters last boss

i tried leaving that one on once that pull didn't go well

live and learn

[sinful dome]

So Spirit Bolt seems to be the main culprit, paired with salvo and the dot, which idk what to do about the dot only being able to dispel once every 8 sec is awful

[thorn plover]

spirit bolt cast isnt the main issue, its all the dots

lifebloom 1

iron bark

dispel

[sinful dome]

The problem is with pulling the whole room everyone in the group had the dot on them at once, I'd dispel one and 2 more went out

[thorn plover]

what pull was that

1st pull spire?

[fervent mica]

its the first pull

[sinful dome]

The very first Windrunner spire pull, the fountain area

[grand herald]

def still healable on a 13 tho

[thorn plover]

yeah thats gonna be normal, youll have to figure it out

[fervent mica]

everyones dotted, do think the spirit bolts are more of the issue. its extra burst when you're already going full out

[gentle nova]

Spirit bolt is a kick

[fervent mica]

but you can't expect the dps to do their job

[sinful dome]

It was either 13 or 14, and for sure, I don't doubt it being a skill issue on my part, which is why I'm here :3 trying to improve and learn

[gentle nova]

I mean no one will save a spirit bolt cast in a higher key

Thats on the dps

[grand herald]

logging your runs is good to do when trying to improve

[ebon obsidian]

does anyone have a way to show the remaining duration on ursols?

[sinful dome]

I do have them logged, might need to separate them moving forard, for some reason it didn't save the log of the dungeon I just did, group started at 23:18 and my last log I see is 23:11

I do feel I still need to up my HPS, this is the 13 caverns I did prior, that ended up falling apart on the last boss. We were going to kill boss in time, boss was low, tank got yeeted off the platform, reset, 2nd wipe, then things just fell apart after that

[fervent mica]

i'm guessing you didn't complete? you never know when they're gonna get confused

[sinful dome]

Yeah - after that trash pull disaster they pointed out my lack of skill and kicked me

And since then I've been in here and researching on how to handle that all

[gentle nova]

Druid aint that hard to heal with in dungeons, for max hps on that pull all you do is keep maximum mastery stacks on everyone and extend your lb on cd then spam regrowth

[sinful dome]

So the way I've been healing is typically keeping double rejuv up s much as possible since mana isn't a problem, lifebloom and ironbark on tank usually unless someone else is taking heavy dmg, keep up wild growth, keep rejuv at as many stacks as possible and spam regrowth

[gentle nova]

You can also add a throughput pot

[sinful dome]

and swiftmend on cd

[gentle nova]

I wouldnt lb the tank on that pull but other than that thats it lol

Show me your build

[gentle nova]

Yeah for aoe healing you should swap to implant and root network

Twin sprouts is weaker for healing purposes

And resilient flourishing is better when you need to focus heal few peopne but root network is better at spread healing

Implant is a lot stronger

[sinful dome]

Ooo, awesome! Thanks for that!

For heavier keys until I’m more comfortable with healing them I should probably swap some of the catweaving talents to healing talents right?

And maybe swap like heart of the wind for typhoon for casts that can’t be uninterrupted?

[gentle nova]

All your other talents are fine theres nothing you can swap to get more healing

[sinful dome]

Ah, gotcha

[gentle nova]

You can drop the movespeed talent for typhoon

[sinful dome]

That works- thank you!

[gentle nova]

You can also drop innervate if you are ok with mana

[trim bluff]

Why isn’t the three lifebloom mastery point taken often in mplus

[grim garden]

Hello I have a question! In m+ should I be using Lifebloom on tank or squishy DPS?

I thought that in big aoe windows I need lifebloom on a dps, and in rare cases where tank pulls big and no aoe coming soon I put lifebloom on tank.
Am I doing it correctly or no?

[hazy spoke]

How come the wowhead guide still says use the apex talent, without Embrace, in raid?

[gentle nova]

Why not

[main timber]

The talents page talks through all of this

[woven mango]

[robust badge]

Realistically it depends on who is taking more damage

And where your group is standing

You don’t want to swap too often but you can change it up during the key

Usually on bosses I won’t have it on tanks, but for large pulls I have it on tanks most of the time

They seem to get really wrecked this season besides BrM

[grim garden]

okay thanks, I had a brewmaster complaining about lifebloom on a 15 skyreach so idk

I used it on him in some big pulls towards last boss

[thorn plover]

reading is impossible

[hazy spoke]

Keep getting told by other Druids they’re just following the guide, me and I guess the others saying it didn’t realize there’s the meta build on the talents page.

[main timber]

There is not much of a throughput difference between the two builds

[soft dagger]

For me if i play properity I tend to move LB a bit more since with 2 SM you can ultilize the apex talent so much more. If i play VI LB is mostly stay on the tank, i do sometime switch to a DPS if he/she tends do die during pulls.

[opaque edge]

I use danders frames to track my lifebloom and tend to try keep it on 3 stacks with the tank unless we’re in a stacking situation and then I might move it over to the dps.
It gives a surprisingly good amount of healing if you can keep it active

[grim garden]

Okay I will keep using it on dps since tank didnt die he is ok

Its a skill issue after that

[white sentinel]

do we ever take moonkin and sunfire for m+?

i see some dudus taking it

[grand herald]

nah catweaving is better

[strange wren]

Yes catweaving can be better… if you can handle being in melee, avoiding mechanics and healing. Personally I always just take ranged damage talents and do fine- heal dps doesn’t make much difference until you get to like +15s

[thorn plover]

heal dps doesnt matter at 15s at all

lol

[strange wren]

15s is as high as I’ve gone in any season so is all I could count up to 😂😂

[weary tusk]

If you check the +20s they have sunfire

[proven phoenix]

I can only count to 12

[thorn plover]

vitalitie is running sunfire/starfire build

i think they only one doing 20s

keeps rake rip hotw for st

[trim bluff]

Healer aoe damage is so kitten maxxing

[weary tusk]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VdYFJrLNBp1GvX2x?fight=4&type=casts&source=5

Contributes 23k DPS

[thorn whale]

I hate having this conversation every day

[grand herald]

I mean you should be in melee regardless, not like melee is that much harder

[marsh prism]

make peace with it

find zen

[plain steeple]

Even better if you preshapeshift. Then you cast any spell that brings you out of bear form for example.

[stable iron]

So I learned today if you Swiftness before Convoke, every Regrowth gets the Swiftness buff. Anyone got any other neat tips like that that might not be readily apparent to new druids?

[marsh prism]

that's pretty much the one

[stable iron]

Does it work for improved Rejuv off of Swiftmending too? Like if I hit Swiftmend > Swiftness does my Convoke send out a bunch of improved Reg/Rej's?

[proven phoenix]

no

sotf gets consumed by convoke spells

convoke can both generate and consume sotf depending on the spells it casts, having a sotf buff on convoke cast does not buff every spell

[stable iron]

Well someone tell Blizzard I said to change that

[thorn whale]

Will do

[robust badge]

Did they ever fix it so that NS+sotf buff stacks on regrowth hot

It used to not

[proven phoenix]

no idea

[subtle osprey]

Is there a haste soft cap i should aim for?

[proven phoenix]

no

[marsh prism]

no and also delete this add-on

[proven phoenix]

I've never seen that addon in my life

wtf is that lmao

[rustic copper]

Is that 220 ilvl

Or am I out of touch with how much stats we are supposed to have

[subtle osprey]

Um, no... @proven phoenix it's Narcissus, @rustic copper I'm 268 so your out of touch

[rustic copper]

[marsh prism]

ignore this part of the addon

you follow qelive top gear for stats and you don't really have to think about those numbers individually

[marsh prism]

I have but I didn't know it reskinned other stuff like this

it's like neutered gpose

[sudden junco]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but how do you get those grove guardians out without having casted neither swiftmend or wild growth yet on the timeline?

I'm tired so I might be missing something extremely simple again

Is it done by holding the previous SotF until ramp?

[fervent mica]

go back to the previous expansion

[primal cargo]

guys prot paladin havoc dh or blood dk is best of 3 ? any of u have idea ? Or experience from healing them in high keys ?

[muted harness]

What would you recommend to play Paladin in Mythic? Convoke or Tree? 🙂

[sudden junco]

Ah i might be looking at a slightly outdated version then

The ramp gameplay is the same luckily so i'm learning some handy things

[primal cargo]

Razle do u still have mana problems ?

i did some m+ and never went under 80k mana

[proven phoenix]

grove guardians are not an active

anymore

that is super outdated wherever u got it from

[marsh prism]

I think qe is now up to date ? Wowhead and icyveins def are

but yeah it's the same pretty much

[sudden junco]

I've learned to use my abilities more smart

still finding the sweet spots in keys for ability usages but getting there

raid ramping is probably my biggest nemesis, i tend to play reactively and not setting up much

So i'm reading through my talents again and looking at the pinned guides for help

[untold inlet]

Hey, sorry new to rdruid. I am a bit confused about the lifebloom bloom. Once you consume your soul of the forest, does it bloom on the target you have lifebloom on or is it the person you target with a rejuv/regrowth?

[primal cargo]

it bloom on targer and u have other tallents that make it AOE

[urban bone]

The target with lifebloom already on it

[untold inlet]

Ah ok thanks

[primal cargo]

if ur grp is stacked near ur lifebloom target it will do big aoe to them too

[sudden junco]

You might know this already, but i discovered here that you can sometimes move lifebloom to targets that are gonna take some burst damage to maximize the bloom spam heal that happens after SotF if you're running the apex talents

i've been doing that more now and when done right it's pretty helpful

[tough portal]

I feel like wclogs is down more than it's up lately

[marsh prism]

right?

[untold inlet]

Ah nice, thanks mate

[crisp mauve]

does anyone know if there is an addon to replicate the "targeted spells" weakaura? it used to show who was being targeted by a spell on the party health frames

[untold inlet]

Danders frame does this I think

[tough portal]

There is an addon called

Targeted Spells

[crisp mauve]

perfect, thank you

[gaunt willow]

Vickman was doing this on beta - very effective healing

With prosperity you can heal any damage this way

[sudden junco]

Aye

In keys like Seat, pre slapping a lifebloom on a dps has been saving me some brainpower as well

For the chain mechanic i mean

[storm kettle]

wclogs down?

[tough portal]

Yeah for a while now

[storm kettle]

Ugh

[tough portal]

Everyday this happens

So much for that Archon money

[crisp mauve]

mmmm i just went into a skyreach but targeted spells wasn't showing on my party frrames

really wanted it for solar flame from the constructs

[hybrid tangle]

It works good in danders

[marsh prism]

@gentle nova the hyrax is the closest living relative of the elephant

?1?!?!

[wicked veldt]

what about the elephant's mum

[fallen torrent]

I've looked through a bunch of resources and add-ons/UI improvement topics, but was curious what you guys were using for raid frames and seeing HoTs/tracking. I've tried Danders and Grid 2 so far and I keep having to readjust positioning and still "setup" my frames before actually raiding. Any way to just make them bigger on default frames?

[marsh prism]

the slider in edit mode can go up to 200%

though you shouldnt have to continually re-set up your frames with either of those addons

[fallen torrent]

I didn't think so. Probably just a setting I did wrong, but when I joined raid it like reset them to the default settings. You can make the HoTs bigger on the frame? Not the frames itself just my buffs? I just started playing Rdruid in Midnight.

[marsh prism]

yeah you can, if you go into edit mode and click on the frames one of the settings is a slider for the buff size

[naive chasm]

I have grid2 but it definitely takes some getting used to

Or rather, some set up

[fallen torrent]

Omg ty so much. I thought it was weird you couldn't but I guess I just overlooked it.

[marsh prism]

i would implore you to set some time aside and troubleshoot one of those frame addons though

[fallen torrent]

Also I normally use just mouseover casting, but everyone yells at me about Clique or click casting. If I did use click casting what spells would be recommended?

[marsh prism]

i was ok with default but they literally just did not fix a bug with the layout i preferred

[marsh prism]

generally people click for rejuv and maybe also dispel

(i dont so i cant advise further)

[fallen torrent]

Yea I will try. I liked Danders icons and numbers on the buffs but I liked Grid's look and feel more overall

[marsh prism]

voulk has his updated profiles for both linked on the qe blog: https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/user-interface

they would be a good place to start

[fallen torrent]

That's what I was thinking as well, ty

[fallen torrent]

I'm blind I think. I didn't notice this before. Thank you! 🍃

[marsh prism]

not blind, all good :3 you're welcome

[fallen torrent]

I'm NGL I thought QElive was just a healer sim tool. Didn't notice the blogs and other stuff before.

[marsh prism]

it did also just get updated, i think, should be good for this patch

brocc also hosts her raid guides on the qe blog too

https://questionablyepic.com/season-one-raids/

[fallen torrent]

🙏

[marsh prism]

i try to keep these and other overwhelmingly useful pages linked directly on dreamgrove.gg/resto as a sort of bookmark tool

[tough portal]

These are the same thing, 'click casting' is just using a mouse click as a keybind, it's nothing magical or extraordinary

Nance are you a grid user rn?

[marsh prism]

yes

they didnt fix the buff focused default layout :)

i modified roibens profile a little https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2738691734

[glossy gazelle]

Whats next to craft after the 2h staff?

[marsh prism]

chest or belt

generally

[glossy gazelle]

belt with arcanoweave linng?

[marsh prism]

yaa

[glossy brook]

AND THEN?

[spark river]

Feet

[glossy gazelle]

the waist with haste mastery right?

[marsh prism]

yes

[glossy gazelle]

i dont wanna mess anything up, is that correct?

[graceful ermine]

What’s wrong with boots or bracers this season?

[wise galleon]

Is there a decision going on choosing chest/belt next craft other then simming it? Wouldnt it be better to get belt if chest can be tierset?

why not wrists?

[zealous scarab]

Chest tier has bad stats

[glossy brook]

Its a sim angle, if you have a myth chest even if it's tier you're obv not crafting chest

[zealous scarab]

Belt and boots also have bad stats

Bracers are very minor as far as immediate power

[glossy brook]

Similarly, I crafted cape because I pulled only belt as my usable vault item,

Like your own character and it's current power will decide what you craft

[urban bone]

Loooooooks good

[covert bramble]

I took boots as there are two haste/mastery chests from m+

[real carbon]

yeah there's an amazing chest from M+ as well, so I was reluctant to craft it

Although I'm 20 runs deep and so far it hasn't dropped for me, rip

[zealous scarab]

You will have an over abundance of sparks in time so placing your decisions on a maybe is a little silly

[plain steeple]

Boots can also have a single stat doubled, if you craft the engineering boots.

[wise galleon]

but I assume you can't arcanoweave line them right?

[plain steeple]

No, but you can put arcanoweave on another craft.

[crude quarry]

what spell is best to macro an on use trinket like feather? i find i forget to press it or know whens best to use it for the haste

[lost crypt]

i use it with with wildgrowth

[grizzled seal]

Why not chest

You can't farm a myth track chest

And even if it drops it will be m1/6

Which means you haven't wasted crests on the craft

[glossy gazelle]

i have a myth track chest from vault

with haste mastery

[grizzled seal]

Oh wow

Everyone hates you

[glossy gazelle]

naurr

luck was for once on my side

[wise galleon]

i want to eventually pug crown hc this week, how do you guys prepare MRT or NorthernSky timers for yourselves? Is there a resource from where I can import the reminders for popping cds or I should watch rrlogs and create them manually?

[marsh prism]

absolutely the worst piece of shit kill pull of all time

uh oh i dont know paladins

[cerulean stratus]

you will not have fun on paladins with that comp

[marsh prism]

i havent generally been having very much fun with this comp regardless

[cerulean stratus]

u gonna be the mvp on heal absorbs

[marsh prism]

thats the goal

[bright swift]

What's your 5th and 6th healer

[marsh prism]

just trying 5 with a mw for the rest of the night

[bright swift]

5 is doable but it's hard

[marsh prism]

we have 30 more min

so just going with this, also have to see what dps we want in for kill

we have 1 more raid night before reset after this too

[grizzled seal]

Press convoke on first radiance

Then on each radiance after

You got this

[grizzled seal]

I'd advise doing 6 if you have only a few pulls

You'll just die to dmg without cd prep

[marsh prism]

we have cd prep

[grizzled seal]

Holy fuck

I'm tuning in

[marsh prism]

mein gott

[tough portal]

Tell these people to fuckin cook up on the bonfire

Rez and stay low for 40s waiting for healers to waste mana smh

[wide rose]

Are there streamers / vods you guys recommend to learn resto druid from

Im sure id learn from experienced players povs but i really dont know anyone

[grizzled seal]

Vrocas and me stream

If you are talking about raids

[bright swift]

I don't stream

[sonic mason]

I tuned into torty stream to learn rdruid on paladins and he was a monk

[bright swift]

Bg

[marsh prism]

im fuucking around on paladins right now

big secret tech

[grizzled seal]

I'm druid now

I've been reformed by the debuff reduction and my inability to play monk

[limpid jacinth]

nature is healing

[sonic mason]

probably won't be resto anymore after first kill

[grizzled seal]

You?

[sonic mason]

I did half the raw? hps of my prevoker

yes...

[grizzled seal]

Resto seems good for this tier honestly

Ok but raw hps is useless

Just look at real hps

[sonic mason]

idk it looks ugly but I dispelled and healed the absorbs

0 parse still means kill

[crude nebula]

In the 14-15 key range, all yall finding much time to DPS in trash pulls?

[wide rose]

I meant m+ but raids povs are valuable too

[grizzled seal]

There is almost no overlap between m+ and raid gameplay

Besides keeping lifebloom and using swiftmend on cd

[wide rose]

Hmhm i do want to get into raiding eventually

[marsh prism]

ok hang on

this fight and 5h is kind of fun

[grizzled seal]

Yeah there are some very cool parts

[wide rose]

Just cutting my teeth and gearing in m+ for now

[grizzled seal]

Evoker doesn't look good on Lura...

[sonic mason]

if I have to main heal my guild is doomed
think we have a backup healer so it'll be ok prob

[thorn whale]

I think resto druid is in a good spot

i think everyone that says otherwise is coooooked

[half timber]

might wanna see a doctor

[sly storm]

Hey, just started healing after a long long break.
I just heavily struggled with the first boss MC. I had 3 squishy DPS in a [phone]ilvl, cloth) and I just couldnt heal the barrage. I had all hots up on them, used convoke the first barrage and tried Ironbark the second. But people still died. I tried Tranq and that felt super stupid.
Also not sure if I am supposed to dispel first and then spam heal or leave the dot.. what ever it is.

[wide rose]

Its an idiome

[bright swift]

What makes you say that? The fact that Echo is running 2?

[real carbon]

Fellas, Wildstalker or Keeper for raid healing?

[limpid jacinth]

yeah, definitely. There’s time to weave in some dps in almost every pack and lots of time on bosses (I’m only breaking into 17s so someone better than I can give more in-depth)

[half timber]

How would you buff resto druid and not make it too strong for both raid and dungeons tho

[bright swift]

Why do you need to buff rdruid

[thorn whale]

The fact that we have 900000 players inhere saying rdruid is shit

makes me certain that it's good

[marsh prism]

im dead. on the floor

buff me

[half timber]

but checking last season´s spec popularity, rdruid seems like one of the most played healers overall next to rshaman and priest probably

[grizzled seal]

That is generally a good indicator that a spec is good in raid, isn't it

3 druids out of 8 healers in rwf race

[bright swift]

Yes that was my point

[half timber]

idk if that is sarcasm tho

[grizzled seal]

On the hardest boss

[tough portal]

Mid dab animation

[grizzled seal]

Rycn is doing very well too

[tough portal]

Method erasure

[limpid jacinth]

sarcasm? In dream grove???

[grizzled seal]

They stole our warlock before the tier

[half timber]

😔

[turbid ether]

are my stats too low? feel like im not healing enough in +12 keys.
ilvl 268

[cursive pilot]

Mo key mo masery

[limpid jacinth]

they’re fine for 12s

[thorn plover]

Stats don't mean as much as you think they do

Your stats are fine

[limpid jacinth]

worry about optimizing stats when you’re mostly mythic’d out

[wide rose]

As a general rule its worth channeling tranquility as much as possible right?

[turbid ether]

my healing is shit even tho im only punmping heals tho. everyone just takes too much DoT and cant seem to catch up

[limpid jacinth]

I say this gently, it’s 99% a skill issue

You need practice more than stat optimization

[tough portal]

You'll want to learn what the damage is, if it's casts or debuffs making sure you can see that information in your frames, for instance

Otherwise you could link some logs

[storm kettle]

Provide logs? 99% you're ramping wrong/bad LB uptime

[tough portal]

Probably bad Swiftmend usage

[turbid ether]

let me see if i have a recent log

[wide rose]

I need to get the plungin that screams at me when LB falls off
I thought i would never drop it but under high pressure it happened at times

Rarely but still bad

[limpid jacinth]

I mean, even the in game CD manager can track it. It takes 3 seconds to set it up. Stop slacking and get something- anything- to track it.

[wide rose]

I have a tracker

[turbid ether]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DYqKh4Q7rJByc8dm?type=healing&fight=1&source=2

this is the latest one i had

[wide rose]

Just not that plungin purr made

[tough portal]

What happened in that log

Between 10 mins and the end?

There's nothing there

[storm kettle]

This log is missing 70% of the info

[turbid ether]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wqpWZbNH9cfM2zmy?type=healing&fight=1&by=ability&source=5
oh it auto logged. this one is the recent one. but looking at it i think LB could have been better

[limpid jacinth]

Got it, misunderstood what you were saying

[wide rose]

yea i have the lifebloom bar tracker right under my cd tracker

[turbid ether]

some of my logs does that sometimes. not sure why too...... maybe cause i died?

[wide rose]

i meant the plungin purr here made that gives you an alert and a sound cue when it falls off

i thought i didn't need it but many things can happen in a run and the timer is more variable than i realized with swiftmends etc

[dense lantern]

Why is VI in M+ still a thing and why are people recommending it

We don't even have CW anymore

[limpid jacinth]

That’s… a lot of rejuvs. You need to lean into Regrowth way more. Also, 3 tranq in a full dungeon is awful. I have a feeling you’re holding most of your CDs wayyyy too much.

(Working on something so can’t dig in too much)

[limpid jacinth]

Because I feel bad for the HoT that gets munched 😤😭😭

Poor lil guy

[turbid ether]

i think thats one prob i have. ill work on it

[turbid ether]

hey thanks for taking a peek ❤️ appreciate it

[real carbon]

Convoke spirits or Incarnate: Tree of life for raid healing? And why?

Obviously having Tree at the ready in certain key moments is probably a game-changer, but convoke's short 1 minute cooldown feels so good.

[tough portal]

Good talent

Prosp also good talent

[storm kettle]

Both builds are viable atm so really depends what you feel more comfortable with + what your raid team needs the most

[cursive pilot]

1 iron bark usage

[storm kettle]

Convoke has more burst obviously

[dense lantern]

I feel like the actual value of prosp is still miles ahead

even if its technically less hps

[real carbon]

So do you want to use convoke reactively in a raiD?

That's the question then, do you use convoke reactively after a big wave of damage, or do you use it preemptively if you know a big wave of damage is about to hit the group?

[tough portal]

Dont do this

[spark river]

Im in pain

By looking at that picture

[tough portal]

You also didnt cast a heal on the Hunter on the Crawth death for over 20s before they died

This is casts per target in the last window of 2 Deafening Screeches, lots of self healing

Most of the rest are just one shots and mechanical failure

That fight is rly easy for people to split up in a horrible way for our kit

But you need to cast more Regrowths in general to heal people during damage events

[turbid ether]

gotcha

[turbid ether]

for this i took too much dmg with no convoke and tranq up i think but i might have missed it cause i was panicking

thanks for the indepth analysis

[thorn whale]

Why?

[dense lantern]

More swiftmends overall, more targeted healing

It gives you more flexibility to heal exactly the people that need healing and fits damage patterns better

Pooling 2x mends for specific moments is incredibly helpful

It just gives you more options

[thorn whale]

You just trade on demand healing for useless globals imo

[verbal apex]

Hey all — built a tool called Flourish that analyzes your WarcraftLogs reports and breaks down how much healing each individual resto druid talent contributes. Paste a report link, pick your fight/player, and see which talents are actually pulling their weight.
I set out to try and prove that Keeper isn't that much worse than Wildstalker in M+, my the conclusion from parsing a bunch of logs is that its acceptable to play but not close enough to be considered for high keys (like 7~8% less increase to your healing throughput than Wildstalker).

Fair warning: it’s experimental and was vibe-coded with AI, so take numbers with a grain of salt. Would love feedback — especially if you think a talent’s attribution looks off vs your theorycrafting. That’s exactly what helps make it better.

https://flourish.fly.dev (Source: https://github.com/rubensayshi/flourish)

[thorn whale]

You need to press LB more often

and honestly I think we already have enough healing as is

[plain steeple]

So who’s numbers are more reliable? Yours or those on WoWAnalyzer?

[verbal apex]

WoWAnalyzer is more focused on your playstyle, I tried getting all talents in there to compare Wildstalker vs Keeper, and as a side effect also have all the regular talents implemented xD

oh lol I never noticed they had more talent breakdown stuff as well, now I feel stupid 😛

looks like the only thing they really miss is attributing the mastery bonus from have the Wildstalker bloom on targets (which is actually huge and roughly the amount that Wildstalker outperforms Keeper)
guess I have a new project tomorrow to contribute that piece to WoWAnalyzer 😄

[tough portal]

A number of these effects arent being calculated the way they work or the most accurate way to infer it (imo)

From a usability perspective, some features would make it more helpful
Picking up the fight and source from the URL
Filtering for specific time frames or pulls within a dungeon run

[verbal apex]

thanks, will at least fix the url part. filtering to time frames is hard though, but I'll put it on the list of things to consider if I have the time 😄

[tough portal]

Thriving Vegetation is also ignoring half the talent, if not more, for instance

The Regrowth extension

[verbal apex]

yea I chose not to implement that part cuz it's a pain and I expected the HoT part of Regrowth to be minimal

[tough portal]

You chose not to ask claude to implement it you mean?

[verbal apex]

haha, I do have to review w/e code it writes so I instruct it to not implement very complex logic that wouldn't have significant effect
but that one might be worth it considering its one of hte nodes people vary on if they take it 😄

[pulsar kettle]

[dense lantern]

[tough portal]

Vigorous creepers for instance is also undercounting it, since it's 20% per stack

[verbal apex]

for real?

[tough portal]

And in general lots of this is double counting talents

[verbal apex]

I couldn't find that online anywhere

Claude thought it was per stack, but I fixed it

[tough portal]

Especially if the goal is comparing KOTG vs WS

Counting the healing amp of something like Vigorous Creepers including its buffs to WS's own healing + adding Symbiotic Blooms fully as well

I mean actually

Where is Symbiotic Bloom

[dense lantern]

Useless globals outside of damage patterns are largely irrelevant

[limpid jacinth]

Who is this Claude, he sounds hot

[verbal apex]

its under Thriving Growth

the name of the talent xD

[plain steeple]

The hot part of regrowth is half the total healing of Regrowth. (With 2/2TV)

And has a big influence on Natures Bounty ofc

[verbal apex]

ah you might be right about Vigours healing increase should be excluded (or decreased from) the other stuff in WS tree

[plain steeple]

And gives a longer duration mastery stack for rejuv for example

Or with prosperity the opportunity to consume regrowth at a later point.

[verbal apex]

true, but that last part is impossible to express in numbers

[plain steeple]

I agree, you cannot pull this out of logs.

[verbal apex]

but I didn't consider that it was a significant part of regrowth healing, guess I'm still living in 2020 when it was like 0 xD

[tough portal]

You'll ultimately run into the same crossroad as wowanalyzer, you either show an effect's isolated value or you try to compartmentalize it into groups with synergies. You're ignoring every synergy but summing up % of individual effects to show a broad % share of contribution that doesnt exist

[plain steeple]

Interestingly Convoke shows half the healing of WoWAnalyzer. And even there its missing out on any abundance/mastery values iirc

[verbal apex]

I discounted the first 3 rejuv/regrowths from convoke

cuz you could have casted thsoe in that time window

simplified approximation but better than counting 100% of it imo

[tough portal]

[plain steeple]

Hard to calculate that, since some of the rejuvs/regrowths might also be buffed by a swiftmend during convoke and the regrowths are also all buffed by NS.

Also the swiftmends casted by convoke reduce the remaining CD on your own swiftmend.

But you're right, that usually you'd fit in 3-4 regrowths instead.

I'm just seeing that WoWAnalyzer also has an offset on how much you actually healed.
Does anyone know why the analyzer does it?

[thorn whale]

Disagree

all your globals matter

and why optimize for hp throughput when you already have infinite healing

[dense lantern]

10 lbs vs 10 rakes

crazy

[thorn whale]

or rejuv? or regrowth? or incap? or roar? or typhoon?

[spark river]

Analyzer pulls numbers from details i think

[dense lantern]

you're not missing a roar cast because of VI what are we talking about

[spark river]

Pretty similar when I compared

Logs are always lower

[dense lantern]

like VI saves you a couple of rejuvs and allows you to cast a couple of rakes

Let's be honest here

[thorn whale]

Sure if you think so

I guess the only thing you can ever trade ur LB casts for are rakes

Right?

[dense lantern]

You're not getting an extra cast of anything meaningful

And VI saves you globals outside of damage events

[unborn sand]

Hey guys, when playing higher keys (16/17s) i seem to be struggling when 3 people tend to take big amounts of damage( usually 3 is like the weird number) or when there is a big heal absorbed applied ( for example nexus point ) . Is the healing profile in such way or do I just suck?

[dense lantern]

Like what are you trading your LB casts for? It's not like you get an extra cast of typhoon wtf

You just have more globals in which you can cast it

[thorn whale]

Sure if u don't think extending LB and hots on an important member gives you more free time

i dont see any point in discussing it

[dense lantern]

You know what else gives you free time?

[unborn sand]

For example second boss in skyreach is DRAINNING me

[dense lantern]

Healing more efficiently during damage phases

[tough portal]

This varies a lot with positioning. People that arent in Efflo are taking less healing, we have shorter cleave radius on some important stuff than would be ideal, so might be worth discussing positioning with your group.

[thorn whale]

In damage phases where u already heal 1.000.000.000 too much

[dense lantern]

Why are we even having this discussion if you think there's nothing to heal

[unborn sand]

Oh alright, got it. Tbh I ve mainly played with ranged pugs

[thorn whale]

Yup that is exactly what i said

[dense lantern]

"u already heal 1.000.000.000 too much"

Am I going crazy?

[thorn whale]

Yes?

[dense lantern]

Am I dyslexic?

You're literally saying that we overheal anything regardless

Idk this whole discussion is stupid

gl

[thorn whale]

Thanks gl to you too

[pulsar kettle]

[minor void]

Would you guys mind taking a look at my log ? Probably not good but i'd like your take on it https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ka6PgDG7m4vcwZRn?fight=last

[tough portal]

Yeah I'm just assuming a baseline level of competence ofc, you're doing 17s so I reckon you know what buttons to press

[shrewd jay]

Hi guys is there a trick to dispel on Averzian

I can see nothing on my interface really

[somber sky]

there is nothing to dispel on that boss?

[plain steeple]

First boss ofc has dispells.
Also i can see them on my UI properly.
Might just be a UI settings issue.

[somber sky]

oh mythic debuff. sry i had brainlag 😅

[hasty blade]

Doing some log review this morning and have a question. Is there any value to Nuturing Dormacy outside of what is indicated in wowanalyzer? I've gone through logs and havent seen anything above 3% HPS. But 95% of druids are running it on Mythic paladins. Sometimes over talents like embrace the dream or reforestation

[plain steeple]

It gives about ~5s of bonus duration for your average rejuv cast.
This duration results in more abundance stacks and therefore more Regrowth healing, that is not shown in WoWAnalyzer.

And ofc more mastery stacks as well.

[white sphinx]

Is there a bug or something with convoke?
Sometimes I use it and its channeling is just cancelled as soon as it starts (ofc I don't use any hability after I press convoke)

[dense lantern]

Do you have it macroed with something?

[white sphinx]

#showtooltip Convoke the Spirits
/use 13
/use Fleeting Light's Potential
/cast Convoke the Spirits

13 is Emberwing Feather

But it works most of the times, so idk the reason of it

[dense lantern]

Macros aren't always processed in order

[white sphinx]

Ohhh

[dense lantern]

Add /cqs

At the end

[white sphinx]

U mean this?

#showtooltip Convoke the Spirits
/use 13
/use Fleeting Light's Potential
/cast Convoke the Spirits
/cqs

[gaunt willow]

It’s very good for raids to ramp up into regrowth spam but not so much in M+

[dense lantern]

Yeah, should work

[white sphinx]

kk will try a couple of dungeons, ty ❤️

[coarse nimbus]

Hello fellas is there someone that can help me analyze my friends logs? I know nothing about rdudu apart from it bein healer

[dense lantern]

You should probably tell your friend to ask insteasd

[coarse nimbus]

Yea i know, trying to force him to join and do something but meanwhile this is best i can do , i hope that once i tell him what he is doing wrong he will be more convinced to come here

[dense lantern]

I'm not sure i'd be happy if someone posted my logs without my permission asking someone to analyze my gameplay but you do you. You can post here and someone will review them if they have time

[main timber]

Yeah ideally ask them to bring it here themselves

Even if they are shy

[quartz storm]

hi, how do some people have staff AND wrist crafted with only 5 sparks available atm ?

[whole horizon]

we have 6 sparks

[quartz storm]

aah

[coarse nimbus]

it not about him bein shy, its more about him bein stuborn af , he acts like he know his class and doesnt need to to analyze logs or some special tipes, and then he does 35k hps in raid .. me posting his logs is fine, it worked before when he played dps

[whole horizon]

7 on tuesday

[gaunt willow]

Website basically doesn’t work on mobiles (iPhone) but I’ll look later on computer

[quartz storm]

??

4/5 ?

[tough portal]

1 is a quest reward

Not part of the 'seasonal cap'

[quartz storm]

ah ok

I just got it

[tough portal]

From the world tour with Lorthemar in the middle of the city

[whole horizon]

go to wowanalyzer.com, paste his log link in, then send him that link to the wowanalyzer report

get a robot to review his logs, maybe he'll be more impartial

[coarse nimbus]

is wowanalyzer up to date for resto ?

[main timber]

ok now it sounds like you definitely shouldn't post it lmao

[quartz storm]

I did the question with all world events to get it

I spam M+ since 3 days no other sparks spawned

[main timber]

Yes

[coarse nimbus]

i get your point but trust me, i know him and this is best for him , however bad it sounds, but yea i would prefer to revies his logs in DMs if possible

but since wowana is working, ill try that first, thanks fellas

[quartz storm]

ah the second is from world boss quest mb

[tough portal]

The current week (the last one in your cap, so 5th in this case) comes from the Apex Cache quests

[quartz storm]

yep exactly

[whole horizon]

5 sparks have come from weekly quests, those can be thru catch-up but you still have to do the current weekly to get the current spark. 6th spark from world tour quest like face said.

[quartz storm]

ty bud

[dense lantern]

||this is incredibly antisocial behavior||

[wind night]

is NS+convoke still a thing?

[whole horizon]

in raid yeah

do it

[coarse nimbus]

yea i know, but as of now i have no other options than see him strugle untill he just quits cuz hes not doing it right, and he is too proud to ask for help , so yea , this might seem harsh towards him but its the best way , but dont worry, gotta use wowana and then try and force him to come ask for help

[odd heath]

did they just nerf pre-stacking on ur mini tree of life ? I'm not getting any stacks when swiftmending

[whole horizon]

just 2 days ago, yes

[odd heath]

damn

[crude nebula]

Is 22% mastery bad lol

[shrewd jay]

When you see you see the dispel as a filter on your UI or just a small icon on your UI ?

[tough portal]

@main timber why cant I make a dispelable overlay thingy in grid2 am I stupid?

[royal wedge]

why cant i stack any reforestation stacks anymore before pull? i tried to respecc and reload 3 times already 🙁

[tough portal]

I cant add a debuff status to a bar indicator

[thorn plover]

Is this real life

[tough portal]

It's funny the random limitations of grid

[plain steeple]

I made it an icon in Grid.
One Status is "Debuffs from Blizzard unit frames" and i got one slot for private-auras.

This debuff should be shown in Debuffs from Blizzard Unit Frames.

[pale hare]

Is there a guide to tell what to craft?

I have all equal level wrists/boots/belt and already crafted my staff

[shrewd jay]

I see.
I think mine show the dispel that way too.
I just don’t know how I can make it easier.
I’ll figure it out.
Thx.

[thorn plover]

Pins

[thorn whale]

Purrformance you use danders right

[pale hare]

For your second craft, likely candidates are chest (our tier off-piece, high budget slot)

What does tier off-piece mean here?

[thorn whale]

Off piece = the piece you don't want to have as part of your tier set

[pale hare]

ah interesting bc secondaries?

[thorn whale]

Yup

[pale hare]

word ty

[thorn plover]

Ya

[thorn whale]

What settings do I have to touch to make the crystals stand out on last boss

idk if you've seen Nick's stream

so they have a frame of their own

[thorn plover]

The crystal holders or the crystals themselves

[thorn whale]

Crystals themselves

[thorn plover]

That's not danders

[sharp silo]

is there still the rule of thumb to recast lifebloom 3 secs before it expires to cause it to bloom? sorry i was always so bad on resto not my main

[thorn plover]

Unhalted does them really well, but I've only pulled on normal

[haughty warren]

At which % we are going to go in versa instead of mastery?

[thorn plover]

Under 4.5s

[thorn whale]

Oh yeah Unhalted

I use that too

Help

Plez

[thorn plover]

When you start getting 1 shot in bear form

Just click boss frames in unhalted and put them where you want. I didn't have to set anything special up

[sharp silo]

is it possible to track it with the standart cd manager?

[main timber]

There's never a healing reason to do that

[thorn plover]

No. LifebloomAlert on curseforge

[sharp silo]

thanks

[coarse nimbus]

just a quick question , in wow analyzer in dropdown menu on tranquality is says " rejuv ramp 7hots active" and is marked as bad, how many is considered good? cant find any explaining to this

[thorn plover]

More

[thorn whale]

@thorn plover these right?

[thorn plover]

Yes

I can show you how mine look, I have video. Sec

[thorn whale]

I swear after working in esports for 4 years

I should know how to setup a ui

but fuck me this is the hardest part about the game

[sharp silo]

did you do the ui yourself? looks nice

[whole horizon]

look at the section on Abundance in the wowhead guide, and look at this as well
https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes

[thorn whale]

Mostly just copied Roiben

[coarse nimbus]

ty bro

[thorn plover]

Ok I lied my wcr doesn't go back that far apparently

I'll show my settings

wish i had how they look during the boss. its super obvious

[thorn whale]

Do I need their castbar for anything

[thorn plover]

no

just hp

[thorn whale]

oki nice

thanks

[lucid terrace]

I am at the Point playing 13/14s the amount of people getting hit by everything is still very high. Sometimes i cant dps at all and end around 7-8k Overall

Should i still run Cat stuff in the Talent tree or is moonkin and sunfire better option

[main timber]

Keep cat stuff and just DPS when able. A lot of bosses don't do much damage and you can contribute a decent amount there

[worthy yoke]

Does anyone here actually do decent dps in restokin? Moon/sunfire doesn't activate Fluid Form, and it seems like a bunch of heals take you out of moonkin, whether intentionally or not.

[smoky grove]

I got one tier set token and 3 catalyst charges. Should i basically get my 4 piece insta on whatever pieces to get the free drop chance for more? or should i wait ?

[thorn plover]

yes

send it asap

so you start getting more catalyst charges

avoid chest if you can help it

[smoky grove]

why avoid chest?

[tough portal]

That is all 'intentional' but also pretty meaningless. Moonkin form only matter for Convoke and HOTW usage, outside of those 2 spells it doesnt matter.

[pulsar kettle]

worst stats

[smoky grove]

got it thanks

[thorn plover]

craft a chest

unless you pull myth chest from vault

[lethal lotus]

hey guys, is there a bug with wildgrowth? My every cast seems to be instant right now as keeper

[pulsar kettle]

pvp talent

[lethal lotus]

ah thanks, I was losing my mind. That explains it

[worthy yoke]

I see. So FF not even worth it I guess?

[tough portal]

Hm?

Oh Fluid Form

[queen quarry]

is dropping liveliness for master shapeshifter going to massively nuke my throughput (for m+)? i dont feel the need currently but i can see mana becoming a problem outside of perfect play as i get higher and want to avoid innervate

[thorn plover]

i went MS once i hit 15s and honestly it feels awesome

probably get shit on for that, but do what works

[main timber]

What did you feel the benefit was? Mana seems infinite

[queen quarry]

yeah im only doing 12/13s now but i am considering swapping soonish. i just wasnt sure what the throughput loss would look like

mana feels infinite but i have so much haste now that if i play poorly theres been a few instances i wanted to sip briefly

[thorn plover]

livliness is about 2%

[queen quarry]

ty ty

[main timber]

2% healing and significant damage

[thorn plover]

honestly i think its a confidence thing, i go in worried im gonna go oom on a pull, this way im just always full. idk its working for me

[queen quarry]

yeah i probably dont "need" the mana either most of the time

but i hate going into a boss with 50%

[cursive pilot]

Only time I’m dpsing is during tree

[queen quarry]

or a big pull

do you take UG at all for keys purr?

[thorn plover]

no

[queen quarry]

me neither but it feels tempting with the 4set

probs a trap ig tho

[main timber]

There are way too many points you'd rather have

[queen quarry]

2 talent points is ruff

yeah

i tried the no apex build in raid that was p fun tho

[tough portal]

Someone linked a log earlier playing Sunfire

Lota drank for 600k mana in the dungeon

And spent 500k mana on Sunfire and Moonfire

[thorn plover]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Lyhj8zfMabqQ1DNV?fight=10&type=damage-done&source=4

[plain steeple]

How long did he have to sit down

[thorn plover]

so many of the top rdruid keys are running something like this rn

[plain steeple]

to drink 600k mana

[grizzled seal]

Yeah 600k mana is an unhinged amount of time to drink for

Surely you realise it's a DPS loss at that point

[plain steeple]

In the 14s i run i got to heal my tank on every pull.

So are they waiting for the resto to finish drinking?

[thorn plover]

same, this is why i switched to MS lmao

[queen quarry]

i had the first instance where i used call of the wild (whatever the cd is for specific forms) and the boss moved away during it. didnt know that could happen. do i just lose out on the combo points or does it apply the dot based on the combo points gained

i was too dented to investigate

[thorn plover]

the dot is seperate from the combo points

[queen quarry]

massive

[thorn plover]

you just hotw > rip

and carry on

[queen quarry]

ok last question sry

[cursive pilot]

Iron bark every pull

[queen quarry]

is there still interaction benefits to convoking with 5 combo points/ natures swiftness or is that not a thing anymore

[tough portal]

Yeah drank for 243k mana and spent over 300k on magic dots

Idk

[thorn plover]

natures swiftness yes, but you shouldnt do that in keys

[tough portal]

It's a little counterproductive innit

[prime ridge]

QE Live always shows me crucible as the best trinket among the ones I own. Is that trinket really that good for a resto?

[tough portal]

The other day someone was in here arguing these keys required every bit of healing uptime

But then that happens

[thorn plover]

yeah definitely is

[tough portal]

[cursive pilot]

U gon need that swiftness in keys

[grizzled seal]

In m+ especially, ye

[queen quarry]

5 combo cat convoke doesnt make bites hurt more?

[grizzled seal]

It just gives a shit ton of stats if you unlocked 3 points in the console

Very hard to beat unless you have really good trinkets from the raid

[thorn plover]

i actually dont know this answer

someone here will

[pliant rose]

Hi friends, what does a typical ramp look like in a 20 man raid environment?

[pulsar kettle]

convoke bites are always cast at 5 combo

[queen quarry]

i just remember those interactions from dflight so i was curious

oh shi

ty

[thorn plover]

read the wowhead guide, explore some logs

[pulsar kettle]

bite does zilch damage so convoke feels pretty wet noodle rn

[tough portal]

Doesnt matter for Convoke, no

[queen quarry]

but NS still cranks for regrowths during it?

[thorn plover]

yes but in m+ you want to save NS to actually save someone or brez possibly

[queen quarry]

we are learning

[thorn plover]

you dont want to send it with convoke

its overkill

[tough portal]

Yeah I agree with varu, heal Convoke if it looks any close to needed always

Just more efficient/useful that way

[grizzled seal]

Convoke applies a shit ton of symbiotic blooms. It's already insane in m+

You get like +5-6 symb blooms from implant in convoke

[queen quarry]

okay ty ty i will probably struggle to implement these fixes to my play for a while but we start training

[tough portal]

Convoke is an omega healing cd

[queen quarry]

whats the mob count where swipe spam > rake spread? or does it also depend on how long they will live i guess?

[tough portal]

Never

[queen quarry]

never swipe unless all raked?

[tough portal]

Ideally in AOE you'd start prioritizing Thrash weaving

[queen quarry]

ooooo

thanks for all the tips i must be social now on this holiday. good luck friendos

[tough portal]

[thorn plover]

starfire for aoe, rake rip ff for st 😗 👌

with the starfire bug man it hits hard

[bright swift]

I unspecced starfire : D

[cursive pilot]

What bug 👀

[tough portal]

I'm not dumping a talent on that

[strange sonnet]

Anyone know how i fix Danders frames for the debuff that is on Chimaerus HC? not sure how it looks as I'm new to danders

[thorn plover]

fair

[cursive pilot]

Chim has debuff?

[bright swift]

the private aura dispell I assume

[strange sonnet]

the magic dispell I mean

[thorn plover]

lol yeah you gotta dispel people in the yellow to clear the pools

[cursive pilot]

I just eyeball that

[bright swift]

Crazy that people this many weeks in still don't show private auras on their frames

[cursive pilot]

Big blue circle too easy to see

[lofty sage]

Can anyone help me with some addons... trying to figure out what addons Nick uses from Liquid. The main CD bar below his health, the MoTW tracker, Sym relationship, and I've see on the right, a box that tracks number of active rejuvs.

[hearty coral]

Well if they are showing it it's not very private now is it

[cursive pilot]

Top one is buff reminder

[teal jungle]

Right one is probably some Liquid weakaura for reminders

[cursive pilot]

Bottom is just cdm

[teal jungle]

Bar is either CDM or just actionbars skinned

[lofty sage]

cdm?

[cursive pilot]

Cooldown manager

[tough portal]

Is it tho

[teal jungle]

Options > Gameplay Enhancements > Cooldown Manager

This is the rejuv tracker I use:
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/rejuvtracker

[lofty sage]

Ohhhh this is where all the addons got replaced. Never opened that menu... ty so much

[bright swift]

what have you been doing the last 2 months

what

[lofty sage]

lol. using DMB/Clique/etc... but looks like I can mostly remove them

[drifting timber]

What’s the setting in danders for that? Just double checking I have it lol

[sharp silo]

is there a amount of abundance i always should have up or is it just whatever depending on the pull

in m+

[thorn plover]

dont look at abundance in m+

pretend it doesnt exist

you use whatever is required to keep people alive

[lofty sage]

Yea, going to keep HotTracker disabled in M+... it's far too easy to have all 5 players maxed out lol.

Appreciate the addon tips. Think I have them all setup and ready to rock

[thorn plover]

theres an option in the settings to hide in dungeons etc 🙂

[lofty sage]

🙂

Whew... got scared.. Just popped back into Echos stream.. thought it said 03% on luna when its actually 83 lol.

[frosty tree]

why u got scared?

[lofty sage]

Rooting for Liquid 😉

[ornate cloak]

anyone have issues with click casting not saving your dispel

[tough portal]

I've been enjoying the Echo broadcast so I'm rooting for them this race

[frosty tree]

they have the better broadcast for sure

[thorn plover]

I can't stand the non stop eurotrash music on their broadcast lol

[wide rose]

Predotting wont pull aggro right

[thorn plover]

Hotting?

[wide rose]

I had a tank tell me to not predot and i was so confused

Oh yea hot

[thorn plover]

Yeah it can if your tank is shit

[vivid peak]

if he's body pulling and takes damage you get aggro

[thorn plover]

If he is just body pulling everything you will have aggro 100%

[wide rose]

Oh that explains

Everything

Ok he needs to actually aoe

[vivid peak]

you can prehot and go stealth

[wide rose]

Fair enough

First pull algathars for context

So very long pulling / mob gathering

He body pulled

And i died confused

[vivid peak]

yeah send hots on tank when he's waiting for the partrol to go past and then prowl

[buoyant ruin]

IDK exactly what I am doing wrong or if it's just a lot of little things. I should have healed more than the hpal on heroic crown but I was awful

[wide rose]

I could stack rejuvs on other people though i could have done that

For next time

[thorn plover]

that will still pull aggro

it doesnt matter who they are on

[wide rose]

Damn

So just LB, prehot, then stealth for that pull

[cursive pilot]

For what

Tree boss?

[thorn plover]

i cast 2 lb, 4 rejuvs, swiftmend, stealth

[wide rose]

Algathars first pull yea

[thorn plover]

all on the tank

max duration

[wide rose]

Thanks

Makes sense

[thorn plover]

then i have sotf ready to go if shit hits the fan

and i can go straight into normal healing

[cursive pilot]

What I do is, iron bark tank and use vortex into roar then convoke

And then I kick em

[thorn plover]

i save IB for the tail end of that pull

when the tank has a bunch of stacks

maybe enough time to cast it twice there idk

[wide rose]

Thats my thinking early iB so you get a second one late

[cursive pilot]

You ironbark on cd before pull on tank

[vivid peak]

also if you still get aggro just shadowmeld

[thorn plover]

that pull isnt scary til late so ive never even thought about ib on pull

[thorn plover]

night elf 🤮

[wide rose]

[haughty ibex]

not rly worth till he gets some stacks

[wide rose]

Do dots snapshot dr in this game or is it dynamic

[thorn plover]

there is no snapshotting

[wide rose]

Ok thats big

Im so used to snapshots

[soft silo]

treebros, I just installed midnight but I'm dreading the addon purge. Has anyone compiled a list of addons for higher m+ healing?

(and mind sharing)

[wide rose]

Danders, cd manager, bartender

Rejuv and LB trackers are nice from purrformance

[soft silo]

have we or blizzard solved the "spell is being cast at an ally" problem we were solving with WA before?

[thorn plover]

what do you mean

targeted spells?

[soft silo]

yes

[thorn plover]

yeah we can do that

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/dungeoncasts

[tough portal]

Yeah danders frames has that feature or if you use grid2 or elvui or vuhdo you can download a separate addon

[soft silo]

❤️

[tough portal]

Targeted Spells

[soft silo]

thx

[tough portal]

Is also the addon I was thinking

That one not bad ofc

[thorn plover]

yeah theres lots that all do the same thing

i think i like my UI better now than before midnight lol
i wish dispel highlighting was more consistent, but other than that im not missing much

[tough portal]

Same lowkey

Except debuff handling

And arcui randomly breaking or re-ordering my shit

[pearl oyster]

I noticed looking on archon that for heroic people are running the apex talents but mythic they aren't. Is there some logic behind that or the build just not filtered through to heroic just yet?

[thorn plover]

dont look on archon for anything

[cursive pilot]

Scamchon

[pearl oyster]

Prefer not using it, keeping LB up and in a good place constantly in a raid is a pain

[tough portal]

There's no relevant different decision making for heroic vs mythic here.
Apex vs no Apex are both close and you put talents into slightly different healing spots with those builds.

[thorn plover]

no apex does not mean you dont cast lifebloom

you still need 100% lifebloom uptime with no apex

[pearl oyster]

Yeah I know but looking at the better logs and they aren't aiming for 100% uptime or anywhere near it

[thorn plover]

i highly doubt that

[plucky flare]

for AA, is it better to grab haste or mastery?

QE seems to sim mastery enchants in dungeons for me

[main timber]

Take Haste because IIRC the mastery AA buff is quite a bit worse

[plucky flare]

ty

[neat lintel]

due to this talent, do we need to catweave?

[carmine mountain]

Öhm...is our Reforestation buggy?
I have talented it...but i did not gain any stacks after using my swiftmend...

[pulsar kettle]

doesnt work out of combat

recent hotfix.

[carmine mountain]

oooooooooooooh

Thank you 😄

Was preping for pull and was a little shocked xD

[haughty ibex]

whats the problem? i dont play raid but my grid2 displays that quite well, wat do u use?

[tough portal]

The dispel overlay type of indicator

Doesnt work from private auras

So many raid boss debuffs that are dispels only show icon, no color change overlay

[haughty ibex]

that’s so weird, is it cuz is not a magic/poison etc typed dispell?

or just cuz is a private aura

[tough portal]

Bro @main timber story modes arent up in PTR?

Wtf

[main timber]

Even follower dungeons weren't available to me

[tough portal]

Crazy

PTR is untestable

[thorn plover]

yeah none of the private auras show as magic/poison etc, just makes for poor visibility. its usable, just not ideal

[tough portal]

Man I dont wanna be in a raid with 2 resto druids popping 5 blooms on 20 people at the same time

Isnt that the type of event spam they got rid of a paladin talent over?

[small estuary]

Feel like im doing shit this tier, any godlike resto that can notice if i do something majorly wrong?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8hrA3V2qzXxQKmJc?fight=last&type=healing&source=19

[wise galleon]

i saw megasett using some sort of omnicd

but its incompatible on my machine hmm

[tough portal]

I hit 7 healing dummies, 9 total targets with treant and me but we're 100% HP, and it's still 60%
Got baited by Training Ground BG queue existing, but it never finds a match

PTR sucks

[thorn plover]

miniCC

[wise galleon]

ty

[patent seal]

Race to world first top guilds put some resto.druids in the rooster any toughts??

[quartz storm]

why did a lot of people including top players crafted wrist ?? dont understand

[fervent mica]

they are used to wrists being one of the worst value slots and want to have the embellish there...

but its just kind of weaker early

[gusty wasp]

Hi, Can't you prepare this spell before the boss pull yet?
Thanks

[fervent mica]

hotfixed out this week.

[gusty wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/oopsies-ohno-gif-25793283

sure ty

[wise galleon]

is it normal that it tracks for example barkskin usage AFTER it expired and not when pressed?

[dawn mason]

Is casting NS before convoke still a thing?

[cursive pilot]

Still a thing

[dawn mason]

awesome thanks

[tulip thicket]

Hi guys, i alway use Rejuv, after Soul of the Forest, or am i Lost?

(Raid obv)

[thorn plover]

almost always

[vivid peak]

is it possible to see healing done to the absorbs on crown?

[proven phoenix]

go to healing done > absorbed healing

on any log

[vivid peak]

thanks

[lofty sage]

WHat are these icons on Nicks UI?

[cursive pilot]

Built in buff tracker

Just sized bigger

Check CDM then edit mode for size

[vivid peak]

reforestation and abundance

[patent seal]

He is playing tree or convoke?

[cursive pilot]

Tree

[gentle charm]

right next to ironbark is the incarnation icon

[opal hare]

is it possible to track the ToL buff timer you get from reforestation when playing convoke?

[thorn plover]

with arc ui yes

[opal hare]

dang im using better cdm atm

[thorn plover]

maybe possible in there but im not familiar. can it make custom bars?

[opal hare]

not sure but dont think so when i look thru it

[lofty sage]

1.9% Liquid lol

[thorn plover]

echo just had 4.1% right after too

its so close

[rigid mirage]

How much harder is it to heal in pve compared to pvp

When knowing 0 mechanics of pve

[thorn plover]

completely different things

not really comparable

theyre each hard and easy in their own ways

[rigid mirage]

How in depth are mechanics in m+

Scared to try it because don't wanna be screamed at

[thorn plover]

watch some videos

idk how to answer that

before you go into pve you should prep yourself with guides/videos to know the mechanics

you will wipe your raid if you do them wrong

[plain steeple]

Healing and mechanics are often independent from each other. Sometimes related.
Sometimes the mechanics deals dmg that you have to heal. Or ppl fail the mechanics so you have to save them.
You just cannot give a general answer here.
But knowledge about the mechanics and often about the dmg patterns is required.

[rigid mirage]

Is there a yter or website you guys recommend to figure out m+ mechanics

[thorn plover]

tons of youtube guides

for every dungeon

[rigid mirage]

Ye but do you prefer any channels

[fervent mica]

as long as you don't try to jump into +15s, you'll be fine

just grab an m+ build from one of the pinned guides

[thorn plover]

for healer perspective, automaticjak is decent

tactyks is another one

ready check pull is good

there are tons

[hazy spoke]

Just run them. Do 8-10s to learn, or if that’s too hard just do lower. You can also read the dungeon journal to see boss mechanics.

[fervent mica]

class guides in video format are generally bad.

they go out of date basically by the time they're posted...

[thorn plover]

were talking m+ guides, not class guides

[fervent mica]

exactly

trying to say to avoid looking for class specific guides

[thorn plover]

ah ya definitely

[hazy spoke]

Also best to get an organized group. Sometimes pugs make it unhealable, a good group lets you actually see what all the mechanics are

[thorn plover]

sometimes pugs are better

lol

some of my worst runs last expansion were full guild groups

[spark narwhal]

hey, I heard alot about Crucible of Erratic Energies, is it worth equipping ? If yes under which conditions ? Please :0

[thorn plover]

yes if you have it fully upgraded (ilvl and the console)

and dont have better trinkets

[spark narwhal]

At which point a trinket is considered better ? When it's heroic or mythic ?..

[thorn plover]

look at the guide on qe

[tough portal]

IS IT HAPPENING

Wow

[thorn plover]

lmfao

that was crazy

[tough portal]

My fault

I jinxed them

[thorn plover]

dimmy .5% vibes

[tough portal]

Is liquid on a lunch break?

[spark narwhal]

oh, ty ! I never used this ressource, those raid trinkets looks insane.. ! I wish I had those D:

[thorn plover]

nah just 2 min bathroom

[tough portal]

Lmao yeah it's over might as well just hand Liquid the trophy

[gentle nova]

Aksjually

They have 1 extra day to get rank 1

[tough portal]

This boss is so funny

[gentle nova]

Since liquid started 1 day earlier

[thorn plover]

lol

[tough portal]

Hm but Echo has more wipes

I want both kills concurrently

[thorn plover]

kills on same pull would be awesome