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I used once since nerf and went back to a passive trinket
Couldn't be bothered to play around it
I have hero litany and veteran heart of wind on my alt

As my 2nd trinket options
same, especially since I icould put my crests elsewhere so it was 263 delve trinket vs 266 litany. Juice not worth the squeeze.
oh so you can actually proc it then kk
i was like, but my feral skills doesnt proc it
and what do you guys think about this trink for mplus?
rake and rip do proc it, but I don't think it was proc'ing if I was tab raking
how do i fix this NPC namplates? Platinator?
Voulk I just wanted to tell you that you inspired me
That's what I'm using
I like trinkets I don't have to think about
it's ok, it's in the pack of decent trinkets. The big raid trinkets are obviously the best, then stuff like heart of wind or a couple of delve trinkets if you can get them hero track are a bit better than the average but not touching the big ones. Then the also rans aren't really that much worse
if i use feather on cd with convoke is it ok ?
or it is better to have as a separate cd?
why are they using r druid on the last boss for rwf
i dont raid, so the best trinket i can get is hearth of the wind
thniking about the best 2nd one
Won't line up well, you'll be sitting on it for quite a while waiting for 3rd convoke
if you're only doing keys, there's better than emberwing. The delve trinkets on champion or the voidstorm champ rep trinket for starters.
@gentle nova bro why is liquid and echo using a r druid
Because need druid buff
Definitely don’t macro it to convoke, convoke is not hasted so a good chunk of the trinket will be completely wasted on speeding up your casts while convoke is channeling
Rdruid is op
what about them is OP for that fight
seems kinda mid to me compare to other tiers i played it
good spot healing, triage, and rot healing
but like mw does it better imo
Split party
oh
They don’t
How often do they split into separate groups on lura?
No idea, havent been watching today
would you have expected them to play 2 based on how r druid feels for u so far this tier
Nah
based
What do I cast when I come outta convoke and still in tree form? Anything or are certain spells still buffed
is it normal lifebloom to be least healing hot ?
are u guys using your relationship on tank or weak dps
you should have full rejuvs before your voke anyway... so its regrowth time
ite
in magisters terrace, how many orbs on the first boss can you usually safely absorb?
the debuff falls off pretty quick, if you get a couple right away you can usually soak more
i've been taking 3 with bear and bark
non related question, but what ilvl is recommended for +12/13?
9001
it all depends how comfy you are... people were doing them day 1 in like 250 gear
Idk why but i often feel like i'm healing with a 70% healing less debuff, but sometimes it spikes crazy with crits(?) i think
new to the class and spec so i might be missing something really simple
that just sounds like you don't know how all of your talents interact
Most likely yeah
theres some good guides in the pins
So far I've been trying to consistently uptime lifebloom on tank with hots on top, popping swiftmend off cd to spread rejuvenation unless there's a big chunk of healing needed then i'll use regrowth
wild growth i pop just before damage aoe
Yeah I'll check those out and see if i'm missing something extremely simple that i managed to overlook
most of the time it is
theres no point in using it if theres nothing to heal
i usually pop it nearly off cd
and when u use soul of forest ur lifebloom start to bloom insanly
if theres even a chip of damage done to group
I've noticed that i never get a mana break in dungeons so i gotta play somewhat careful with mana lol
you should never have mana issues
so i rake everything then rip the prio target
i've had to drink once this season... in a 15 seat last week
i'm chugging potions so maybe im trolling
Eww mana pots
thats what im saying
you're most likely overcasting rejuvs
though i don't know how much of it is my skill issue and how much of it is not interrupted casts
This is definitely something i do
i tend to waste some resources sometimes
blaming it on the group just causes people to not try to fix their own issues... so just focus on you first
Yeah I'm not blaming my group, but considering it a small possibility
I'm definitely doing something wrong on my end
That's why i'm here ^^
check guides, will make it easier for you. then its just practice, learning how much damage to expect
im 206 ilvl atm and i will try to push some m+ keys to check how it feels
Pretty much practice yeah
do your weekly content... delves/preys and such... you'll get ilvl much faster there and can skip some key levels
You can get a fresh 90 to 235-240 in like 3-4 hours just by doing the weekly contents and your delves
yeah... its a really nice thing this season
My DH ended up at 239 and Paladin 242
Oh and grabbing your reknown gear etc
Which unless you are A newer player you should have those all up enough by now
one of the most common mistakes im seeing this season
lots of rdruids are pressing their SotF to spread rejuv before damage comes out
ignoring the fact that as soon as you consume SotF, your apex goes brrrr
I'm definitely trolling with reju
you want your apex going brrrrr when the damage happens, not before it
i tend to do "just in case" rejus on group
and not when i should
I also noticed by reading the wowhead guide that i'm not using innervate with spreading rejus
instead using it to spam regrowth
in keys innervate is a dead talent
you don't take it, you shouldn't be having mana issues with good play
theres nothing wrong with overhealing while you're learning dungeons either
feels kinda annoying holding sotf and not being able to send "just in case" rejus without wasting the apex proc
but just understanding how your talents work together will help a ton
#1 most common rdruid mistake is too much rejuv. Raid and m+
the apex brust i do understand and have been using it to heal burst damage
as it splashes
thats kind of the benefit of running Prosperity, you have essentially infinite SM charges
if you're holding a single SotF for longer than 6 seconds the cd has already refreshed
if you run VI then you have to manage that your own way, i don't play VI
vi is the way <_<
i can send SotF whenever i want
VI?
hate having to cast lb all the time
Verdant Infusion, it's the recommended talent
ah
the one that extends your HoTs when you press Swiftmend
It’s not so bad with VI either - you can swiftmend and just hold SoTF knowing swiftmend is coming off cooldown in meantime
its a choice node. both are good but require different play
And if you have some hots out that you’ve extended with the VI, you’re not caught pants down
ur lb is changing targets in keys constantly
you definitely have to refresh LB more often playing Prosperity
Thank you for the feedback though all, i'll definitely try and keep an eye on my rejuvenation usages and apex burst splash more ^^
lolno
Constantly is maybe overdoing it…you want to keep it relatively stable for stacks, but you do move it when there’s good reason so you can apex burst someone up
I have not utilized that at all
usually i only keep it on tank 100% of the time
and keep it refreshed
you're definitely missing most of its value then
It’s really powerful to move it on the cleave heal checks
ahh gotcha
the cleave portion is only 30% of the healing it applies to LB's target
if the raw healing is more beneficial to someone else, it shouldnt be on the tank
Eg the double magic effects that make you choose one to dispel and one to need to focus - dispel one and lb and apex the other
So you keep it on tank on pulls then move it to someone else once they are stable?
moving it someone when they need the apex healing that is
that's a better way to approach it than leaving it on tank permanently
Gotcha
thats extremely helpful
I've been letting it sit on tank forever
Does this apply to raid healing as well?
after playing VI for a while i have been swayed over by prosperity
this is what i do especially if i dont have any swiftmend or nature swiftness then into regrowth on demand
Different in raid especially with no apex build
Another good example is the corridor to 2nd boss in magisters terrace…2 people get nasty bleeds, you can see one of them get targeted so you move lifebloom there. You get to swiftmend and rejuve or regrowth the other person and it triggers the bloom on the first, giving both some throughput
Ahh gotcha
I don't think I've tried that yet
what's the benefit of going no apex in raid?
actually nvm
i found the section
it looks like w/o apex - you play around rejuv and regrowth more than lb
One last extremely noob question from me, is it nearly always better to SotF rejuvenation and not regrowth?
Situational
yeah
it's super situational i know, but I haven't completely figured out that one yet and sometimes i be hesitating
Rejuv is always safe
I guess when no damage is coming anymore then reju is better?
yes always have your hots up regardless.
If you have multiple people need topped send regrowth
Yeah that's how I've been pretty much using it
4 people got slapped with 60% of their HP i SotF regrowth
I tend to combo natures swiftness and SotF together
I do yeah
then i'm trolling lol
Seems like i have a lot to elarn about this spec still
I did gain some valuable knowledge from y'all so thanks ^^
I'll watch my rejuvenation/SotF usage and lifebloom swap accordingly
ns?
Nature's swiftness
what's the issue on NS regrowth with SotF active?
Is it like a waste of an emergency cooldown?
if you need that much healing, its fine
It's fine in m+, in raid you want to use ns with convoke
but odds are you don't
ahh now i see what you mean
What’s the interaction that happens, I do this but I don’t actually know why
is there a macro to go into tree form without canceling it if i spam the button
It buffs every regrowth cast from convoke
Oh that’s awesome
And doesn't use the proc. So you still have a free regrowth after too
damn... that's so many instant regrowths during convoke...
Oh btw purrformance I took your advice and dropped my ratio from 6:1 -> 2:1
For rejuvs and regrow the
👍
Got a rank 9 parse
So in raid you cast 2 rejus into 1 regrowth and repeat?
oh lmao i looked at that message and thought that what it was
No don't do that lol
What is that ratio change? I want a rank 9
You should cast as many regrowths as rejuvs by end of boss is what were talking about
ahhhhh makes so much more sense
Ah, yea i need to get better at throwing out regrowths, my achilles heel
Insane value
Is good Friday not a thing in murica?
r there any h/m necks in m+
No
no
wonderful
PvP neck best
can just get pvp neck
is that on hero track
yes
Yes
you have to win like ~7 bgs if you haven't done the chain at all
but you can do the bgs against bots
~200master/30 haste neck
yea i haven't played pvp at all
its a quest chain from one of the guys in the weekly tent
Usually companies that aren't government contractors or banks don't get it off
but it depends on the company I guess
same as normal
ah
is pvp neck worth going for if i have this
Sim it but probably?
What does the rotation look like with 2:1?
With my gear the pvp neck is stronger according to QE
pvp neck also takes like an hour to get if you just slam 6x bot silvershard BGs so it's a minimal investment of time
Why would you buy a ring
because ive done 50 dungeons and it hasnt dropped
M+ has good ones
may as well kill 2 birds with 1 stone
play pvp for neck and spend the currency on a champion ilvl ring
Not for that level
I see
80 vet crests and mats are cheap af. Easiest haste mast ring til you get m+ one
I’m on my phone so it’s annoying but my char name is ndrprsr if you wanna search it
yeah i had no idea it was free
am I bad or is mana a bit of an issue in raid
what does this ratio even mean
In raid you should have as many regrowth cast as rejuv casts
ahh ok
i only do m+ i switch to balance for raid
so nevermind
vet crests is crafting into 233
oh nvm
forgot to change quality
Very interesting ... 🤔
if you're running out of mana before the boss is dead, it's a problem
It's a you problem, not a druid problem lol
Convoke or Tree for Crown?
I am convinced prosperity over VI in raid now
Convoke
Both are fine but convoke lines up really well on most fights
at what point is it better to use mastery flask than haste flask if I have a lot of haste already and not much mastery?
Sim it. QE will recommend what flask to use
Haters will tell you something else but there is no such thing as too much haste
ok so I need simcraft addon to use qelive?
Yes
Gimme the tune
what is the tune
Blizz said tuning today
I dont think this spec is getting any tuning
I can't decide if I like this or not
Don't love losing my HotS and managing both charges strains my brain
prosperity is good but so is VI
Yeah think I'll stick to VI
the tune is the new angine de potrine - utzp
Huh
BANGER track
Insane right I couldn’t help myself and went in blind to drum to vol 2
I'm an english prof and I played it for my freshman class and they were BAFFLED
Hell ya
Did they just hotfix refo prepull?
no
How would they even do that
VuhDo is fully working for Midnight so no need to replace it unless you want to.
idk it just doesnt work out of combat anymore
was working until 10m ago
Time to find a critter and taunt it to be in combat
yes
You can't even get stacks anymore or what did they change?
big sad
cant get stacks out of combat
Bizarre. We have had this for years
bastards
What the fuck they did too
QE picks renown trinket, didnt that get nerf
Lmfao
Still really good
i'm getting stacks out of combat rn
just won locus heroic too so ig i run that w it
We don't need buffs lol
and its working now
ok good stuff
in raid?
yea lfr
testing ty
still didnt
hmm
Exiting raid to change talents relog and chang eback
try untalenting
Alright ty its fixed now
after leaving raid and relogging
and changing the talnets
and the moment i press the second swiftmend I no longer have stacks
at beloren
ya something super weird going on
Should I craft chest I have a 5p at the moment
yes
Ok
i pre stacked to 3, and then they disappeared
the reforestation issue is happening to me too
I came here to figure out wtf is happening
is it bugged in combat too?
seems fine in combat but these fights only last long enough for 1 refo
i'll report back
doesnt work in follower dungeons either
it would be really funny if this was a real change
is it just me or can you not pre-Reforestation on the Midnight Falls fight?
read that last 5 mins of chat
in combat seems to work
fuck any type of prepull honest to god
Liquid plays rdruid -> immediate fix to 3 year old bug
works in combat
L change
I don't know why that would be classified as a bug
And if they were on the hunt for something then maybe we get Symbiotic Blooms working with Flourish instead of this
I could imagine the philosophy is “anything that prevents you from just immediately pulling a boss is bad” but also there’s tons of that stuff
I think its a completely fine change but a very weird use of resources considering everything else
I mostly hate prepull shit too but the timing is weird
FWIW I agree with that philosophy, and think they should just implement a change. Anything that isn’t flagged as a raid buff is removed on pull period. No exceptions.
so
always the rfw guys ruinning!
Idk why they keep having this problem of stuff slipping through. It seems (famous last words I guess when talking about a complex code base) like it should be quite simple to just white list the core raid buffs and auto remove everything else
any1 else not getting refo stacks??
fr
Can't believe this
yikes
Just fell to my knees in the middle of the store
It comes down to what the leadership expects (money) and the vision (none)
Just cried in the middle of a Walmart
Idk their reasoning but it could just be they don’t want to play the other Druid specs and need mark from somewhere
small group healing
Oh are they still playing moonkin?
but I also wouldnt say he's blasting if he's just matching disc and mw hps
No, they have a bear
its literally just the fact that you need to heal 5 people that are holding crystals
Not a job for sheiluns? XD
they dont have one atm
O
however they "fixed" this, its wildly in consistent
its warri/dk atm
Oh they had a bear earlier
Yeah I thought I didn’t see bear when I checked in earlier but I only glanced
wtf where?
It’s over
its such a weird change
what an L change lol
I was eationg dinner and I lost my appetite looking at those notes
I cant believe they've done this
we need liquid to illustrate all the resto bugs to get them fixed, like the 12 rejuvs counting for 11 stacks bug:
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/druid-abundance-talent-at-11-stacks-despite-12-rejuvs/2121850
When you have exactly 12 rejuvenations on allies and refresh one of them, the stack count for Abundance drops from 12 to 11. Continuing to refresh the same 12 rejuvenations keeps the stack count at 11. Steps to reproduce (all add-ons are disabled): Start a follower dungeon as a restoration druid healer. Select both Abundance and Germination i...
Honestly I'm going to go as far as to say this is quite an inconvenience
how could you let this happen voulk
Would you say your day has been irreparably damaged?

I blame rwf
We should boycott limit until they pledge to never run rdruid again
nick isnt even pre refoing
It doesn’t matter
he must have at some point
Tell him to go Wildstalker and to Flourish his Symbiotic Blooms
that son of guy
I just wanted to casually wg into sm into reju like every normal player before pull for luls
you can still have it for 1st pulls but wtf
tree 1min into fight w vi
I dont even know what you are looking at there but also no
Archon is meme site, go elsewhere
lol
smh misbeliever
I APOLOGIZE
lol
Noob question, I only recently started playing resto druid , does Symbiotic Bloom benefit from mastery and increase the healing of other hots?
It acts like any other hot yea
blooms are the giga hot
let go of your chains (mandatory)
Small optimization fun detected
if you think a 45s prepull is fun
seek help
Stalling pulls for 30 seconds is definitely the most fun I’ve ever had in wow
Love delaying pulling bosses
any major prog boss where ive had to do shit prepull is the closest ive ever come to genuuinely crashing out in this game
and sometimes i did crash out about it
But my optimization! More power = more fun! If I got a 5% healing increase for stabbing myself in the leg I’d rage if blizzard ever removed it
the only people that will complain about the change are the same people that use it to flex hc parses over those who didn't know about it
and it was funny as fuck every single time
cod edit was way better
So why not fix every bug with the class
theres no nance official cod edit bro (yet)

Hows the fishing game btw
chat we're so close
pls wish me luck
my eyes are glazing over
VORTEX PINNACLE BLACKROCK CAVERNS VORTEX PINNACLE THRONE OF THE TIDES
its all I can think of
end times sylv fight is my favorite
end time where your group cant kill the sylvanas ghoul
we can no longer get stacks of reforestation pre fight?
how long?
Nick is 30% mana and boss is 75%
yes that is how early bosses work
why are u conserving mana for p2 when you are dying at the end of p1
follow the arrow is like 5h 
it is finally midsem break so im ready to slam it
I dont like follow the arrow because timewalking is brainless
fair
but doing it in one day would make me insane
glad to know you're doing fine
bro spec is bad what you doing
yeah...
disc right now seems giga boring
ohh..i dont play this game for fun. so
I had dpen playstyle
zar is having the time of his life in his enclosure
more healing is more better
how did you become so wise xippo of the mountains
sacrificed everything else
i didnt realized you mained dh
priest also has the problem of being literally straight outta tbc
in terms of survivability and movement
log tf in easch
Thats so lewd
?
lmfao
its laud not lewd
this guy does not respect working women
look this does not disprove the allegations but
this is what i like about priest
you have zero get out of jail free cards
if you want to get anwyehre the same time as everyone else
Nothing better than being packed around by evokers
you have to leave first
me when im an indigenous person on a remote island the nice christians come to talk about god but they also bring a shitload of food
i am the fastest priest on oceanic frostmourne
thats pretty true
Priest just need a palanquin
straight up gobbin it bro
And a fleet of evokers
xi po
xi poo
wtf
accept my friend request
typoo
ok ive literally not even had my caffeine for the day yet and im already acting like this
@ everyone show pits
the teas!!!
when playing apex and VI in raid, do you generally send swiftmend on your LB target to extend it?
ty for being useful swirl
you should be orange name instead of nance
im doing extremely important work in xippo's dms right now sorry
im a druid master actually
orange name incoming very soon
also please do not hate on nance
we love them
im gonna go vandalize nance's house
can they make me orange man
in the alliance district
tea
🐌
leaving me on read
@marsh prism can you put stuff in this room dude
it breaks my immersion
its nothing like outside
your house is in the middle of a forest!!!
I need them to add lvl 10 already
I had to go get coffee
you know what. me too.
I'm still there it's beautiful out
it's chilly and the coffee is warm on hand. best city in the world baby
it's midsem break I should be able to do some more to it soon
I thought you were in Australia not chile
is how i read that
just now
LMFAO
Question: If you're playing apex talents with VI do you send swiftmend on your lifebloom target to extend it?
Wouldnt that limit the number of blooms
Thanks
for raid are you guys sending WG on cd?
pretty much
is there a huge obvious choice if choosing between Mythic Tier Legs or Mythic Heart of Wind from the vault?
you cannot farm mythic heart of wind
does anyone know why swiftmend won't consume a germination rejuve and only eats the primary, even if it is stronger? Seems like bad design
Swiftmend eats hots in a certain order
It's preordained by the Titans themselves
Microsoft and Activision
ha. is there a guide somewhere? i feel like i lose a lot of healing with my rotation not taking it into account
I would suggest just running VI
even in M+?
Hm. What is considered "high"
high is relative.
im just doing 13's
I'm sure you can heal 18/19s with either talent
I'll give it a go. thanks for the tip
You're dumb
Same
its eats the shortest amount of time hot
you running ms in keys?

magisters is unironically kinda hard to heal tho
tbh
like the last boss doesnt require a lot of hps but everyone is so spread
you can never wg on that boss
lethal damage but not high hps if that makes sense
u can wg just fine if you target the boss for it
yeah i had to tell my guys to stand as close to the middle as possible
The hallway between the first and second boss is tough.
So question: Am i trolling by taking Reforestation over Hamonious Blooming? I feel like the ToL procs really come in handy for burst healing in keys.
not really trolling, if it works for you, run it
yeah play whatever feels good
Can anyone familiar with Aug evoker give me a breakdown of what exactly they’re doing in groups? I know this is the Druid disc
But I just had one in my group and I swear the group felt insanely tanky
I tried googling like a breakdown of what they did, and it just confused me more
Someone put it in like for dummies terms lol
Zephyr, bleed dispel, shifting sands buff (vers buff for dps after using empowered spells)
prob a few other things I'm missing but yea aug op
prayge it gets gutted again after rwf
Dude, I swear in my recent 14
It felt like I was barely having to heal
And I was unsure if it was the evoker or if it was just really good players
can be a bit of both
so the 3 stacks of harmony from hamonious blooming; is that just more mastery or?
means your heals hit your lb target for 2 stacks of mastery more
Is there any way to remove or make more transparent the debuffs on the bottom right corner of unit frames? It's hard for me to see current hp with how big they are.
what frames you using
default ui
should be able to make them smaller in edit mode
So, do we need to turnip pre pull in raid now for reforestation?
No
I probably could have put an /s on it…long term not having to rebuild 3 stacks between wipes will feel better. Having to adjust timings will suck though
sim it
Yeah I can help - there’s several barbershops and transmog npcs in silvermoon and you can fix that appearance in no time >.<
with 4 apex talent. Is moving LB around to take advantage of frenzy bloom when consome sotf benificial or stick it to 1/2 person for the 3 stacks of LB. I feel like in some case moving it around and with the proc from sotf its a very big instant top up on people. I am talking about 12-14 key level here. Gear at 268 2 pcs tier set
yes in m+ for sure
i was in a discussion a guildmate and hes quite strick to keep LB on tank or on a squishy dps only, not moving it around. I though its very situational. Does anyone know what is the apex talent healing to group if LB is stacked 3 time and frenzy bloom is activated?
reached m9 with 209 ilvl i hope i can handle to 10
this week affix 20% versa and cd red helps
hes straight up wrong
the 5 bloom on a person is insane single target
i see it like small cd u can use it to heal a person fast , not costing much
lol go do world quests man, you get like 240 ilvl for free
running mythic + right away is just not efficient enough for gearing. You get 2 loot per dungeon and might not be your loot at all. While spending 2-3 hours doing WQ, delves will make you 240 in a few hours. also more slot on vault
ofc if you guildmate that funnel gear to you then its another story
yeah it is satisfy to watch that health bar topping up while you put hots on others party members as well
how come world boss drops me agility 1h dagger for rogue while im in resto spec
warbound
I'm looking to find some indepth information on the math involved in the numbers in WoW? It's really hard to reverse engineer these numbers. Wowhead has all the coefficients listed, but they don't seem to sync up in game.
Is there a reason rwf is choosing to run tree over convoke? Just curious cause i was under the assumption convoke seemed to generally be the better option
asian realms just built different
yea these chinese are on another level
whats that
hey ive started healing resto after being a feral main forever, what trinkets should i be trying to get for m+
Optimize your healers gear using cutting edge math and theorycrafting.
TLDR the big raid trinkets are really good, heart of wind is best farmable. Can cobble together below that
The Chinese Druids all play sunfire.
Is there a secret they know, that we don’t?
u tell me chief
no clue
Ok they actually log a lot.
How do they have less hps output on a 19 than I have on a 12. 
less damage intake? idk
Bc their groups know how to play a key. You need less output than a 12 where ppl are sleeping on their keyboard trying to figuring out where they have bind their cc and kick
Yeah I know that. I just hate to look at high key logs because that shows me I have to heal my ass off in lower keys.
Honestly you can’t take anything from these current keys being run by 1.000 different Chinese players
Caster dps stonks rising in China...
All the good players are not touching keys rn
Ik you are memeing, but honestly if we come back to this at the end of the season, and any of these current “high key pushers” are in the top 10, I’ll eat my words
(I have no horse in this race I panic spam regrowth on hotless targets with every gcd anyways)
Hi guys,
I have my Resto druid, still 88, but my main spec healing is doing great.
One question though, should I just keep the same gear for a Doomkin OS to be able to do damage, or is it viable to also farm Guardian/Feral gear for a Cat OS that would also enable some tanking?
At max level you will likely be crafting a weapon unless you are mythic raiding,
The agility and intellect weapons are different crafts.
It's not that big a deal to craft an agility weapon after your intellect weapon, but it will put you behind the curve.
As well, you will need to change your loot spec on bosses that drop tank and feral trinkets in some cases
There is an opportunity cost but its doable.
because healer DPS doesnt matter this xpac so people will build whatever. Lota(one of Chinese top R.druid) is catweaving so its just whatever keep them busy.
You will also want two pairs of pants for agility/int enchant
I wish there was an enchant that was just a universal one for agi/str/int 
Tww got one in s2 I thibj maybe earlier
Hoping it shows up.
💀
I mean it's pretty real man, like what are people pulling overall in keys
I'm dogshit but I feel like even if I had 80percent rake uptime on every mob in yhe dungeon I'd be like 20k dps
It's so unfun
Only joy moment is catvoking
and hotw ff
Im doing like 60k overall as disc priest but with a build that can barely heal a 10 
I wish they made healer dps a lot higher tbh
but blizz hates that idea so wcyd
I just think it’s cope to say that your dps doesn’t matter
There is a big diff between doing 1 mil boss damage and 3 mill boss damage
i easily couldve done better to be able to time that key
Zero deaths Streeter?
That is not how you do that math
what does deaths have to do with it lol
Again you’re coping
iff i did like slightly better damage anywhere
we couldve timed
just like every other player couldve done something better to time it
Tbh its not like it doesnt matter at all since any amount of extra dps can help
but it definitely doesnt matter enough for me to care at least
That’s different
I'm not coping I'm relaying my anecdotal experience and vibe feeling that my dps is effectively so low that it feels like it does not matter.
sure, but thats what matters for players
any macro to always have tank on cast on lifebloom? without needing to change the name for every dungeon?
we can do good single target
and if theres 2 bosses or multiple
we can do a lot
with rake and rip spread
or on bosses with a damage amp
Like I still do it because I like to, and I like the good hotw catvoje moments
I’m not saying our dps shouldn’t be higher
.@party1 goes to leader i think
I’m just saying that it stiller matters
You can easily shave off 20-30 seconds off a key from doing good ST prio damage
Ya it still matters in niche situations. I'll tell you straight in my anecdotal experience with my keys this season
And if you miss time a key by those seconds (which happened a lot in priory and flood last season)
So far:)
Yes, so far.
I'll be straight again I do it because I like it, but I am not really mitigating against a 1percent chance it matters.
I'm just doing it for fun
And it isn't as fun as it once was.
Because it's impotent
I think there is no point in discussing it tho. You get my point so
Is there any cooldownmanager/buffmanager that would give a notification when swiftmend is off cooldown instead of usable? I mean now I get a sound warning if it's off cooldown and if global is not rolling and it annoys me
Yeah im with you val tbh
Well, i wont be bother doing keys until they make some changes at least tho
I'm not playing to be 1% contribution in a 5man team
My complaint with damage is essentially it’s felt like no matter what I would do personally it’s never going to be worth more than 1 less dps death, or the dps sorting their damage spread to pad less
Again I do it because I like to, it's cool, it's fun, I'm just not doing it to mitigate against 1percent situations.
Not always anything to press anyways and the catvoke hotw are fun
But ye
So whilst yes it used to be fun to do it, largely it’s safer to put those globals into overcasting rejuve to have a better safety net
Shrug, maybe.
At some point you hit a key level where you just have to do both
Keep people alive and do damage
When I timed 20 priory it was with 10 seconds left, and it was the best run I had played ever
Ya I ain't there so, again I think it's acknowledged that your danage can matter,
Just people relaying their different experiences at this point I reckon.
Fine enough.
I don’t disagree that I don’t find it rewarding
But the issue is that if your damage actually start to matter a lot
No meat
You’ll get the opposite reaction from a large portion of the playerbase
“I just want to heal. I’m a healer”
This. I did 17s before tapping out and at that point it was the 1% level. Damage didn’t matter at that level and I see far more discussion on it generally than somewhere 0.1 - 1% range
A large portion of a tiny portion of the playerbase is effectively irrelevant for the actual large portion of the playerbase, it's very flawed to think that many or most resto druids will ever find themselves in a key this demanding I fear.
I think the larger portion is the people that don’t want to deal damage
Like I said - that’s as someone who enjoys damage in healer toolkit…but I serve the key in front of me first and reality is I pug a lot and not at the cutting edge
Yes correct, and they will never be in a key that demands them to do damage.
I have never been in a key that demands I did damage ever, for instance.
So far.
(:
But again, your anecdotes are valid and interesting too, and I'm not disagreeing about your 20 key
That doesn’t stop you from wanting to do damage.
In the same way it doesn’t stop other people from telling you that you should do more damage in a key you don’t “have” to, if it was the “norm” that people should do a lot of damage
Ya.
I have timed keys within the time saved from my damage every season across every ley level range I ever played
Nice I haven't.
Yeah you just brick those
Think it’s just a balancing issue between making it rewarding and needed/vs not needed.
I think its importance is in a pretty fine state right now, but it could feel a bit more rewarding
dps are being carried can they please just have them do their job properly
Allergic to trying
so we dont have to
Good morning
Gumo face
Lowkey maybe? Most of my keys esp as resto have been either resounding failures or easily timed
I don't do it on purpose, sometimes it's not me etc.
I've definitely bricked a key because I was cat dpsing straight up, and low skilled
And I'll probably brick more.
So far have never saved a key by cat dpsing do far
Maybe 1 day, that'd be cool
Tbf the amount of keys where my dmg really matters are so few.
Either we have plenty time left or we wouldn’t stand a chance.
It’s maybe one in 100 keys that my dmg would be the difference between running intime or not.
If I’m honest though, I’ve also probably risked some by being in cat when someone got chunked and not quite saving the death
And so far in Midnight I had none of those keys.
"Risk" doesnt mean anything
Doing superfluous healing instead of trying to contribute more cuz you're afraid you'll fuck up is such a lame way to play and it's deliberately choosing not to try and play better
Yeah I'm not risk averse I've straight bricked keys with low skill cat weaving
Ok, I’ll be more direct - I can probably find some where we time if there wasn’t the unexpected death. Same as some without my damage we don’t time. But 4 other people could also have played differently too.
And I'll do it again
And sometimes I'll passenger princess 8 sec afk max in my weeklies
str8 up respect u mate

I used risk over just attributing to me since I’m 20% of the party. And my damage output is such a small amount of that 20%
I play for the brief second I've been top dps on boss pull before people ramp with hotw catvoke
Real
I play for optimizing every gcd and improving to the best of my ability to contribute to my group's success
Be real bro - How can you talk so much about talent optimization that will make a 0,1% HPS difference but refuse to acknowledge that your dps matters
I'm particularly a hater of the idea that optimizations of any kind or contributing more only "matters" if you're in title range keys, or HOF raiding, or whatever level
Why are players allergic to locus of control
Trickier in a team endeavour though - as anyone who’s ever played football at different levels may know if they’ve tried knocking it around at the back on a Sunday league pitch
Idk what the sentence you typed means
Ya I'm not talking on a philosophical level, I'm literally just relaying my experience which is that my dps hasn't mattered in terms of pass fail yet in my admittedly limited experience resto keys the last 3 seasons
But football is a great concept. Do you think a centreback should practice headers and like penalty kicks or is that just the attackers' job to score goals?
I do it for fun and have bricked keys over it wcyd
Ok, if you’re familiar with LoL then - you play bronze league differently based on the quality of the players around you
Yes you take more ownership
Huhhh
Bro's waffling now
And divert more of the outcome to you
Cheers mate happy saturday love the weekend
It’s legit the same lol
I think you play to your team. You don’t fizz a pass into a plodder to get them to play on half turn if they could trap a bag of cement
aint no way this is english
And you don’t trust a shitter dps to keep themselves alive because you’ve not raked everything yet etc
Not being facetious, csn you explain what locus of control means in this context? Genuine question.
reading m+ discussions makes me more depressed than the damage I do in keys
Makes perfect sense if you're English tbh, but it should be "couldn't trap a bag of cement"
Flaming DPS for a hypothetical death cuz you're too scared of how bad you are at the game to contribute more and you just deliberately play worse thinking it helps is crazy
What key level do you usually do mate?
I gotta do apartment stuff now, so imma just link this https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/locus-of-control#:~:text=There's a powerful link between perceived control,experience negative symptoms%2C like stress and depression.
All key levels mate
I can't understand a single word
I'm a democratic key leveler
Quick TLDR: Believing things are in your control
everything is in my control and I will personally exercise my free will to overcome any obstacles
It’s a trait that high level athletes score high on
Yeah it's quite funny language but it's very English and very amateur football / soccer language as well haha
Ty bud
Yeah great point
I had some great classmates and other friends when I was a kid
And some of them never panned out cuz they didnt try
Not like, didnt try to chase the career, but didnt try to do shit in the pitch
And I think that haunts players throughout all levels. It's gotta be really hard on people that don't naturally behave like that when they come into the public eye and read criticism of their play and shit
guys what is the go to: 2 charged of swiftment or the extention of the buffs talent?
I like 2 charge in keys
1 charge in raid but I think 2 charge is probably good there too
People play both, it's split.
They change your decision making with Swiftmend a little so it's just vibes maybe
I like 2 charge because consuming wild growth lets me get 6 rejuv
And blanket my party fast
https://raider.io/characters/us/moonrunner/Taylorswift?season=season-tww-3-cutoffs if this is you, then you were a key level behind me playing my shaman last season - https://raider.io/characters/eu/silvermoon/Parkin?season=season-tww-3-cutoffs. I don't think I need your psychoanalysis of whether I'm scared to dps. I'm saying at that key level it was far less important than the other holes in my game.

thx
Okay then I’ll flame you for it?
You’ll take that as valid or?
Damn m+ talk is rising cortisol in this channel
I'm happy to take feedback and fair is fair if it's the same tone offered both ways. I don't believe I've been rude to you though and certainly haven't intended to be. I absolutely intended to be sharper with face since he came into the conversation and was a lot sharper towards me, so I replied in kind. I went and got receipts because what he said felt out of line.
That just isnt the flex you think it was
But idk what you think I said that was out of line, that you're playing worse cuz you're scared to fuck around and find out by trying to help more and play better?
Ofc mate, I didnt sit there doing M+ every week for 3 months longer to hit 17s like you, shoot me I stopped in september and do other things with my time.
Is 1/4 of your Rejuv casts sent into the nether wasting time on early refreshes helping more than a little more damage or
Do you think that denotes that your overhealing is helping?
I apologise though Donby, it was rude of me to behave that way in a public channel when there's better solutions to taking issue with one person - which I've taken instead.
Holy fuck this tool would roll and smoke me what is this from
I don't even wanna fucking LOOK at what this thing would say about me is it wowanaktzer or whatever
Yeah wowanalyzer
I mean it could be worse, deciding to block and live on is better
True, it's a holy weekend we must live on fr
Me when I try to block some one but spam unhide their msgs and become more aware of them than ever before
Wish disc would full hide them
On the lowkes heart of the wild on cooldown and moon fire while in person form
Best of both worlds
Well you would have to download the discord evil twin to hide them
Healer dps is completely dog ass atm tbh
god I fucking wish
Evoker feels awesome
Idk if it’s good but
Don't be coy, you'd miss me.
Mw monk dmg is so cool in m+
Healers do the same % of group overall every season for the last 5 years

The only exception was late DF with the broken Amirdrassil trinkets
its not you i have blocked buddy
We'll get there.
Healer st feels good ape feels bad on the two I’ve played
Resto druid is just relatively undertuned rn but you still do 8-10% of ST/priority dps
why...
Tbh it depends on what spec is meta




