guardian

[hazy mural]

let others do the aoe ccs, and u have roar for one cc anyways

[trim plaza]

yep THE worst tank healer

[oblique badge]

i insta died anyway

[hazy mural]

yep, thats a kiting/bad defs issue

[trim plaza]

u just have to track ur defensives to react with kiting

if ur defensive drops and u are still facing them, ggs

[hazy mural]

does ur UI allow u to track all ur cds easily?

[oblique badge]

i do.. but im pretty sure i was under BS

but maybe just depleted then os.

[hazy mural]

for sure

[left lantern]

BS isnt good on pull

[hazy mural]

u want to be kiting when the bs runs out

[left lantern]

as you can see in your deathlog

the far pack has 3 battle axes

they are all synced on pull

you get turbonuked once and then its fine

[jovial mauve]

Btw if they aoe stop casts all the battleaxes can sync on same time

[left lantern]

use SI on gather, then BS after

[hazy mural]

basically dont wanna be meleed if u dont have a substantial defensive up

either is fine, I just abuse matted fur

[oblique badge]

Just one SI ? Or 2 ?

[hazy mural]

LB and then BS makes a hell of a defensive with a huge absorb too

[left lantern]

i doubt you will have 2 up after you just came out of a pull with 4 battleaxes and a ravager

[oblique badge]

Because if i need to use one SI to enter the first pull, then connect to the second, i will need the other SI right ?

[still locust]

I mean, kind of... It probably (fairly likely) is better, but the impact either way probably isn't enough to make or break a key

[hazy mural]

I would rely on having LB and BS for the gather tbh

its long and will cooldown fast

so by th e time ur SI version runs out, BS will almost be back up

so wont kite for long

[still locust]

Also barkskin on pull is definitely a strong tool

Given the short CD

[hazy mural]

and if its still alive after that, u kite for a lil bit and then something back up again

[oblique badge]

I do BS to opening yea

Because tbh, if i enter in a pack w/o any CDs, it's oneshot

[left lantern]

not strong enough to tank 3 synced battleaxes unless you have cocoon with it

[still locust]

Sure

But I'm just clarifying since some people might tab into the channel and just see this

BS isnt good on pull

[hazy mural]

only a 19 AA but this is the bridge area + the pull u died to healing with mitigation

[still locust]

Which might give them the wrong impression without context

[hazy mural]

BS is stupid strong, esp when u have LBs running

[jovial mauve]

The problem with that pack is ppl aoe panic stunning every 2 sec because they think books are going to kill them

[oblique badge]

i mean, i'm doing first pack pretty easy

And this pack, i'm perma dieing

i dont know

[jovial mauve]

I always do triple pack so we burn all cds and aoe stops

[oblique badge]

It's IOAJZDIAJD.

[jovial mauve]

Kite

[left lantern]

because pugs have still not figured out how to play these packs correctly despite Naowh doing a video on it

just mash aoe stops for no reason

[still locust]

Not everyone follow content creators

[left lantern]

they should though

[still locust]

No they shouldn't lmao

[left lantern]

especially when it comes to tech like this that makes the pull free af

[jovial mauve]

I tell em before the key start

That triple pack is really doable

Every tank can cancel the channeling

[left lantern]

its 4 kicks on Surges that 1 melee kick each can handle on their own and then sync up books and let tank do 1 cc when the channel starts

[jovial mauve]

The problem is to make pugs use their single kicks on every sourge

Also having to charge mele to kick as guardian druid xd

[left lantern]

ask ppl to take a focus with mark before you do the pull, see 4 marks up, go start the pull

fairly doable

although it has never once worked in pugs so far because someone is always too smart to let the channel go off

and stops it last millisecond

[jovial mauve]

Btw i usually have incarn up for the pack before

[oblique badge]

Okay, will try to manage better then.. and prob kite more.

Other question, how do u manage that pull ?

[jovial mauve]

No bro never pull 6 ravagers

Ur dps will die

[oblique badge]

I mean, on 18/19 was pretty easy, on 21 not the same sh*t.

[jovial mauve]

If 3 jumps the same person its oneshot nothing to do and cant react

[trim plaza]

6 worms, jisus christ

[oblique badge]

pugs sent me taht

😄

[nocturne widget]

pugs are dumb

[trim plaza]

i mean, if they wanna die sure

[nocturne widget]

none tank pugs are dumber

[jovial mauve]

Everytime ppl tells me “do this route” i leave the group

[oblique badge]

Ok, we agree. I delete that shitty thing.

[lucid arrow]

then they sent a route where its just one pull from start to last boss

[still locust]

1 heal, or...?

[oblique badge]

?

[still locust]

Common dps phrase after they die

[trim plaza]

xddd

[oblique badge]

xD

Do you mind to share ur routes for AA21+ ?

[lucid arrow]

check threechest.io

[hazy mural]

[jovial mauve]

Check +22/23 videos

Yoda, squish, andy..

[oblique badge]

They are playing on team, it's not really pug friendly.

[jovial mauve]

Im doing the 4 knights pack with lust before last boss

[oblique badge]

Most of things cant be done with pugs

[jovial mauve]

Nah bro the only non pug friendly route are skyreach and maisara

[trim plaza]

u should be used to these maniac pulls

[hazy mural]

wiser words have never been said

[oblique badge]

That one ?

[hazy mural]

my pulls are buttery smooth

[trim plaza]

thats basic one yes

[jovial mauve]

And maybe spire if ur dh doesnt have the cage binded and ur monk dont know how to paralysis+ring xd i can relate

[trim plaza]

but i should go for full room in vexamus

if ur dps has cd:s and u can live ofc

[hazy mural]

hells no

[jovial mauve]

Skip stairs if u have an evoker or wl in the party

[hazy mural]

hate triple pull without full confidence

[oblique badge]

so you play the first ravager ?

[trim plaza]

buys so much time

[jovial mauve]

Also triple vexamus pack i guess is mandatory

[hazy mural]

it does... buys me a lot of time to abandon the dungeon and think about my life

[jovial mauve]

I mean on the last part before last boss

[left lantern]

pull 14 should be 4 echoknights, not 3 - pull 13 removed completely
pull 9 + 10 in one (triple pull) and the ravager pack into pull 12

get 2 more smallies into pull 8 and 1 mob from the patrol to last boss

thats the common higher key route

you said you play 21 - i imagine 21 with that route is very tight on the timer... if doable at all

[jovial mauve]

3 knights are kinda impossible without lust and a waste of lust

[hazy mural]

also for 21s I imagine u just need very good dpsers

no matter the route

[trim plaza]

nah, easy if u just desync smashes

[hazy mural]

1st 3 pulls are a good indicator for the run

[jovial mauve]

U have two options, do more ravagers before vexamus or chain casters into last boss cc one, kill the 1st and the 2nd will snap when u kill the 1st

[jovial mauve]

Too long without lust

[trim plaza]

i have just realized in my runs, doing that 1 more ravager pull takes just so much time

[trim plaza]

yes, but also lusting last boss feels kinda useless

[oblique badge]

What about that ?

[jovial mauve]

I mean if u are going to last is better to pull 4

And do 3 without last is risky af

[oblique badge]

Hmm

[jovial mauve]

Add upstairs knight

Add 2 ravagers on 9 instead of 12

Pull 10 big guy into 12

And triple vexamus pack

I never play the pull 8

[trim plaza]

no need

its 100% without it

[jovial mauve]

But pull 8 feels really bad

[trim plaza]

i mean, its kinda good cause u need to wait ur incarn come back before big pull

if u are sending incarn in boss ofc

[oblique badge]

Can do that too i guess

i'm pretty afraid of 3 packs , mostly because i'm here because i'm dieing on them ahahaha

[trim plaza]

this is my route, no chance of skipping stairs in my comp so ye

[jovial mauve]

U can cc one caster and do 2knight-2knights

[trim plaza]

ik, but this has been working fine in 20/21 xd

[hazy mural]

why not add 2 adds into 3rd boss?

[trim plaza]

and what exactly that does?

[hazy mural]

some funnel

for t he 1st part

[trim plaza]

really minor

[jovial mauve]

They die before the overlap

[hazy mural]

depends who u have ig

[jovial mauve]

So its free funnel and more shields for u

[hazy mural]

but can save some seconds if ppl really appreciate it

[trim plaza]

i mean, im not dying to vexamus anyway

absolute free boss for tank

[jovial mauve]

And why dont u do pull 7 and 10 together?

[trim plaza]

7 is for recovering my icnarn before big pull

[jovial mauve]

But u should pop incarn the the end of bird so no incarn for next pack after boss

[trim plaza]

im not using incarn to the end of bird no shot

its not that big of a dmg boost for no apex

[hazy mural]

u dont use in fire phase?

[trim plaza]

i use it in pull and call it a day and save it for the pull 6

[jovial mauve]

Boss should die just when ur incarn ends

[hazy mural]

I mean its like saying u wont use it for luura or corewarden

an amp is an amp xD

[trim plaza]

if im playing apex then ill send it burn phase, but with no apex i have liked more to save it for that pull 6

worked like wonder

[jovial mauve]

U always use for amp unless u have it up just for haste balls because u couldnt incarn on pull

[trim plaza]

but why would u bl pull

[jovial mauve]

Sorry

I mean incarn

[hazy mural]

its more damage to kill that birb quicker

think of ur poor eels

[jovial mauve]

If u can pop incarn on pull u hold it for stun

[trim plaza]

ik, but bird has died easily

my dps does the job

[jovial mauve]

If u cant incarn on pull u can hold it for haste orbs phase and then in the pack after boss

[hazy mural]

then can trust em to do the job after the birb too

remember incarn has cdr so its wasted if u dont use it as much as u can

[jovial mauve]

But if possible u should pop incarn on pull and stun

[hazy mural]

thats what I do too yh

incarn on 1st pack birbs

and its back for boss

same with hotw for 2nd birbs

[jovial mauve]

Y but 1st boss and mini boss kill timer varies a lot depending on the group

[hazy mural]

yh

if its not back for 1st birbs, I dont use it till boss

[jovial mauve]

So sometimes i incarn 1st birds wave, sometime 2nd..

U can even incarn 3rd wave if its up

[hazy mural]

if i use inc on 2nd birbs, its never back for start of boss

then its delayed for the burn =/

[jovial mauve]

And incarn on haste orbs phase

[hazy mural]

if I cant incarn the burn then wont use it after burn

[jovial mauve]

I saw andy incarn on orbs phase in the 23

[left lantern]

yes because you want incarn after boss

and if you use on burn you wont have it

so you basically just send once that fight, whenever its up

[hazy mural]

u can get incarn for it later

[jovial mauve]

Nah i never delay incarn more than 30 sec

[hazy mural]

LB and BS is op

ppl really sleep on that combo

[left lantern]

yeah because a pull lasts 60 seconds and that combo lasts 10

[hazy mural]

not having incarn on pull isnt the end of the world

lb bs, lb si, kite if incarn still not up

[cloud pebble]

Yo guys! I’ve played through all 16 with mastery stats, switched them all to Versatility, and started trying level 17, and it feels much tougher now. Shouldn’t Versatility be the priority?

[hazy mural]

worst case u kite a bit more so u have it for next pull instead

[jovial mauve]

It doesnt matters

[jovial mauve]

Not even 1% dmg or survival

[hazy mural]

only stat that makes u feel tankier is more ilvl tbh, apart from that u wanna play ur cds better and that will matter much more

[jovial mauve]

Anyway u must kite every battleaxes pack on some moment

[hazy mural]

haste feels good to have cause everything is faster, but ru dont wanna try and think of stats as the reason ur t anky or not

[hazy mural]

yep

[cloud pebble]

Cheers guys. So 17 really gets to me

[hazy mural]

my trick is to ignore the number

[jovial mauve]

Versa could be a bit better for the start of packs

[shut jasper]

mastery is marginally better than vers defensively, idk where this global gaslighting that vers is what you must stack came from

[lean jacinth]

Hey, I hope i'm in the right place for this question, don't know where else to ask. How hard is it for guardian to take innvervate? we have to do some swaps and our tank will be our last innervate. On Archon it says, that some have it in talents but are removing some def-skills for it. (Tank isnt used to guardian, fight is crown mythic if it matters)

[hazy mural]

play the dungeon for its mechanics and the number ur doing it on is irrelevent

[cloud pebble]

Haha nice advice 👍

[hazy mural]

❤️

I bet u can do a 20 rn if u ignore its a 20 and know what is gonna fuck u up either way

everything just lives longer and tickles more

[jovial mauve]

Really ez, the choose between fluid form, symbiotic and a bit more healing are really minor. If u can coordinate innverate is a good choice

Is almost free to take

[lean jacinth]

Ok tyvm. On archon it says that they mostly swap natural recovery and matted fur for innervate and raw cd. Could not assess how much harder it would be for new guardian druid.

[sharp gale]

looking at archon 🫵 😹
hard to tell what to swap without seeing the talent build anyway

[trim plaza]

Thats what happens to me everytime, shit dies so fast that i will never have incarn for the first waves of birds

[hazy mural]

do u have that on a macro?

[sharp gale]

no its more satisfying to type it out manually

[hazy mural]

xD

[hazy mural]

I just treat the dungeon with zone maps, and the burn is a red zone

means I must do everything in my power to finish it off asap

the pull after is like yellow cause its up to me to pass or fail it

[sharp gale]

but yea hard to give suggestions for what to swap if we dont know what build they're playing
per dreamgrove there are some talents that are easy swaps but idk if nopex slop takes any of the talents anyway (in case they're playing slop)

[minor nest]

occasionally mobs gets pulls from super far as soon as i target them without pressing any abilities while trying to chain pull in m+; is it some kind of bear passive/ability that does this?

[edgy merlin]

If waking nightmare is out you will pull mobs by just targeting them

[minor nest]

and....afaik they cannot be tracked except for squinting at your screen looking for ghost bears?

[smoky kestrel]

Did you have calcul or web site that prove this take please ?

[trim plaza]

Yup

[hazy mural]

ghost busters?

[trim plaza]

U can always talent it away but ye xd

[jaunty dragon]

What makes gloom-spattered a trinket alot of people go for? the absorb shield doesn't feel that great is it the stat? or for threat

[lucid arrow]

all of the above

[trim plaza]

Almost only reason i use it is for snap threat

[solar spruce]

Any recommendations for videos/guides for tanking the left side of NPX? Im working my way up into the 16 level and feeling like maybe I could position the circuit seers better

[fiery yew]

Could anyone please share a +21 MT route with me? Preferably one that doesn't require an evoker

[trim plaza]

For what u need evoker, skip?

[trim plaza]

As long as u dont tank them close to barrels its all good

[fiery yew]

Kira route also requires evoker with dreamwalk to pull extra mob after 3rd boss

[trim plaza]

Hmm interesting, i have not seen that single time but tbh i dont watch streamers that much

[slim tinsel]

In MT, if I'm pulling the left side trash with the first boss, is there a particular moment it's safer to pull them? So ignition doesn't line up with something nasty

[fiery yew]

Make sure to pull pyromancer and boss at the same time and there will be no overlaps

[slim tinsel]

And any good timings to pull the other wyrm pack? I'm guessing like 10-15 secs before weak phase?

Or do you usually pull that right before the boss

[fiery yew]

I recommend pulling the big wyrm pack after the first tankbuster that boss does after first transition to make sure u don't get clapped

U can also pull it a bit later if u expect the wyrms to die instantly

but care with tanking wyrms + tankbuster

[slim tinsel]

So pyro right on boss pull, pull the other left pack whenever pyro is dead, and pull earns after first buster after first intermission

[fiery yew]

Yes exactly 🙂

[slim tinsel]

Cool, thank you sir you are a gentleman and a scholar

[fiery yew]

Hahaha np!

[slim tinsel]

Think should be fine, generally if I press bark + pre Regen I take 0 actual DMG from the buster on a 19

[fiery yew]

Ye true this boss is scarier for dps/healer

[terse heart]

if i were to start a fresh lvl 90 guardian in M+, with all bonus rolls available, which dungeon would be the best to use them and gear up?

[forest flume]

windrunner spire

[half surge]

WS into npx for rings

ws all but feather is good for u (actually feather is good if u dont have any trinks)

and npx rings is kinda good if u are after minmax for dps

[sly plume]

Hey guys
Since tall speaking of AA
Any tips for the big vexamus pull ?
I usually incarn the pull before so incarn is not up
And I’m mostly getting clapped 100-0 by the scepter in 19-20 when bark > SI fade.
Is there a way to désinformation scepter or anything ?

[forest flume]

you don't really want to be in melee if you have nothing, you can run in a small circle to try to have only a couple of mobs hitting you at once, can use your typhoon/vortex to create distance (prob still need to get your interrupt, or incap roar for the books) its a tough pull

[half surge]

i would highly recommend split it if u dont play as 5man in voice group

cuz if ppl spend all the CC in one go... ur cooked

same goes if every1 thinks like "im gonna cc after XXXX does it"

and eventually no1 does cc and... F

[solar spruce]

What would yall consider the best pair of trinkets that arent from raid? Heart + Feather?

[half surge]

heart+puzzle maybe? for big burst

feather works too i guess

but in general i know i know i knooow.. i would recommend u try to pug mythic chaemerus

[solar spruce]

I mean, I have several chimaerus kills including purple parses on mythic on my Pwar, so its not out of the question, its just a big time investment

Puzzle box just feels so bad to play with idk if its just me

It seems based on the archon data that the best dungeon trinks are indeed heart + feather, with solarflare prism at #3 and puzzle box at #4

[forest flume]

puzzlebox probably has higher value if you don't play the brain dead build

not sure if its worth it with the thrash/moonfire one

It does big work with apex/dotc, since most of your damage is condensed into a small window burst

[solar spruce]

thats fair, but also, braindead or not, it IS the meta build

[forest flume]

doesn't change the fact that it's brain dead but yes

[solar spruce]

Its probably gonna get more nerfs though

So looking for longer term isnt necessarily bad

[forest flume]

Yeah hopefully soon (likely not)

[solar spruce]

Idk I think after the whole 30 guardians doing heroic Lura they might haha

[forest flume]

Need a group of 5 bears timing a +22/23

so we get more nerfs, come on people get on it!

[solar spruce]

Tbh im enjoying the Elune build. Theres just one thing I dont like about the DotC build and its the talent that basically means you never spend rage below 80

[forest flume]

You don't really care about that in M+ tbh

[solar spruce]

Oh well thats cool

[forest flume]

The important one is to try to spend your raze/ravage at 60

you get more damage (and thus more absorb through UF), but Harnessed Rage (I think that's what its called?) the one that procs at >= 80 rage is more like "Nice if you have 80, its fine if you dont"

in raids/st you prob want to do it but in aoe nah

[solar spruce]

The way I understood it was that the guaranteed gore procs from mauling above 80 were basically necessary for DotC to have enough rage generaton

[fallen robin]

Thought that was old news from beta and the theorycrafters decided it wasn't worth it

[forest flume]

In aoe you are never really rage starved

[quaint pond]

Its not guaranteed

Youre reading the tooltip wrong

[forest flume]

Ya I fell into the same trap during beta, gore has a 15% chance (I think?) just means using spender at >= 80 rage brings that to 30%

[solar spruce]

Ah okay that makes sense why you dont have to play around it that hard then

[raven flower]

Not sure which trinkets to be using for push keys, I've been rolling double defensive just because dps isn't our groups problem but we are blasting through key levels and eventually I want to swap to an offensive trinket. What combo would you use? I have the following:

298 Puzzy B
298 Solarflare
285 Plume

want to use in conjunction with a 285 Dreadscale potentially, unless theres good reason to run another full offensive combo.

[half surge]

good both defensive and offensive trink is alngaze, primary stat it gives from proc is nice for both dps and survivability via absorbs and armor on IF, and passive mastery ofc

[left lantern]

plume + solarflare for now
gaze + plume/solarflare/dreadscale for later

[olive hare]

I'd go for double statstick aswell (or statstick+dreadscale if you really need that extra defensive in your keyrange). I'm not one of those pbox shitmypants type of tanks, but it is annoying to use, especially for no apex were you want dont want to waste any of the uptime (for apex builds its already worth it if you just manage to buff the two wigu mauls).

[tawny totem]

For keys do we take mark of the wild to use once or twice a key.

[olive hare]

You mean improved mark (the extra vers for you)? Yeah its a mandatory talent.

[tawny totem]

Heart of the wild my bad

The do more damage in cat talent

[sharp gale]

i dont think that's really like gonna matter as much as timing a high key with 5 bears
i wouldn't be surprised if any tank could do alleria as 30man tank only

it'd be a first global nerf if it was alleria on mythic tho i think

[olive hare]

Yeah its too good to pass, and you should be able more than once or twice a key. Its not that hard to use it on cd on whatever prio mob is present at the time.

[left lantern]

use in bamkin form when youre about to pull a pack for free starfall damage, use in catform on ST or bosses, use in bear for offhealing on bosses when your healer is struggling

many different usecases, definitely more than 1-2 uses per key either way

also a very good button to press on the big pull in academy since it helps with keeping aggro on all the smallies while gathering

[trail prism]

hey! new guardian player here. How can i make it so i only cast regrowth when i have a proc in bear form? i was doing a key last night and thought ihad a proc, but didnt, hit my regrowth and it shapeshifted me out of bear form and i died. Is there a macro or something i can do to avoid that?

[sharp gale]

you can talent into dream guide to make it sorta automatic cast but have no control over it, the macro that prevented shifting out got killed a few expansions ago or so i think

[trail prism]

i tried looking up macros and stuff but couldnt find anything. That's unfortunate that you can just instnatly die if you hit the wrong keybind

[sharp gale]

if you have persistence talent you should be a little safer against accidental shifting but in high keys and big pulls and so on it'll still be rly bad

but some of the nopex slop builds iirc don't take persistence so

[trail prism]

yea it was a 12 AA and it was the double book pull and i was panic'd cuz i didnt have incarn up and hit regrowth and shapeshifted out and insta died ☠️

[sharp gale]

[trail prism]

[sharp gale]

whyd u hit regrowth without having a proc anyway

[trail prism]

cuz im bad and i thought i had a proc

i only swapped to druid 2 weeks ago. i started tanking a month ago as a prot paladin and yea you can imagine how that went

doing more dmg at 270 il on my guardian than my 285 prot pally

https://tenor.com/view/musediet-spongebob-clown-gif-16546910490839978655

if i take dream guide is it a terrible loss in HPS for me/survivability?

[vivid aspen]

need some help on when to use sundering roar.. it often desyncs with incarn if i try to get a use between.. Should i hold for incarn or just send or what are the general priorities? Also how bad is it if i use it before im on five stacks?
cant find any info on any guide for how to use this spell and i see it in most m+ builds.

[trail prism]

good coms i also have no idea when to use ts

and lots of times i feel like i cant get anywhere close to 10 stacks, like maybe 7

(outside of incarn)

[vivid aspen]

indeed. which seems like a big drop off. im leaning more and more towards only sending it with incarn

but i dont know. need someone smarter than me to tell me

[trail prism]

i dont know the exact incarn cd cuz ofc it varies with our rage spending but i feel like it's around 2 ish mins? so i try to go for 1 no carn 1 with carn but im still learning so dont listen to me

but its also weird cuz it looks like an offensive ability, but we heal from thrash damage, so really it is kind of a defensive as well? interesting spell we def need an expert

[vivid aspen]

its lower than 2 mind typically in my experience

which desyncs

also have to ahve 5 stacks before usage (i think), which makes syncing even harder

[trail prism]

right

and on certain pulls by the time everyone is at 5 stacks they might almost be dead

[vivid aspen]

you get me

[trail prism]

yea i got nothing it's a weird ahh spell. It would make more sense if it was like "instantly apply 5 stacks of thrash to enemies around you"

[brazen tinsel]

Legit just use SR on CD with thrash on CD

[trail prism]

regardless of current stacks on mobs?

like run into pack, thrash instant SR thrash like 1 --> 2 stacks?

but then you arent even going above 5 which i thought was the whole point

[vivid aspen]

you telling me the cd reset is the most important part of the spell? 😄

[trail prism]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-meme-stan-twitter-buckspendragon-funny-awkward-gif-11781965830001468430

[brazen tinsel]

Yep

[brazen tinsel]

If it's up, yup

Ideally LB before if it's up

[trail prism]

:/

[fallen robin]

The spell has an identity crisis that we can't solve

[forest flume]

using your brain with this build is not what you want to do

button not on cooldown -> press button

[fallen robin]

There is no optimal way to use it that is not suboptimal in another way.

You can even shift out of bear form to instantly blow up the stacks over 5 for burst damage.

(I don't know why you ever would because the burst damage is nothing)

[lilac oxide]

sorry to interrupt im confused on when to use heart of the wild

[fallen robin]

No it's just passive.

[fallen robin]

In Cat or Moonkin form

[trail prism]

ok ty ty

[ivory salmon]

Single target adds that won’t kill you the 2 seconds your in cat form

[fallen robin]

Cat for ST damage and Moonkin pre-pull for AoE

[ivory salmon]

Screw the boomkin stuff. Get fluid form. Raze into cat, heart of the wild, mangle back into bear.

[lilac oxide]

ty

[solemn crane]

Leaving bear form resets rage?

[raven flower]

Thank you for the feed back and @olive hare , Were resil 18 as a group workign on 19s, the scale is really nice when the healer needs to catch up so I'm considering it a mainstay rn. The sims prefer umbral plume, I guess I moreso wonder if crit or mastery as a stat stick will give more value. I suppose mastery could be seen as having some defensive value too.

[olive hare]

I mean crit aint pure offensive either. Dodge is big, especially in this season with loads of melee damage and nasty shit on top of those hits. Also big crits = big shields. Tbh I'd just go with whatever the robot suggests. But yeah plume is a very desirable one. And sims usually downplay it, by assuming 100% combat uptime. In M+ youll have a higher average stack count.

[heady ingot]

I got Myth Solar Core Igniter last night. Should I use it in place of Hero Emberwing Feather?

Currently using Myth Heart of Wind and Hero Emberwing, wondering if I should replace Emberwing with Myth Solar Core Igniter w/ Leech

I'm pushing 19s right now - don't really feel like I'm dying or need an "extra" defensive button

[solar spruce]

the feather will most likely be better for you because it usually lines up nicely with Incarn

[rustic kestrel]

solar core igniter is complete dogshit

It gives you a tiny tiny shield, and you will never ever get the vers

[still locust]

AFAIK the only moderate-or-better defensive trinket is the one from dragons

[heady ingot]

Cool, that's what I thought, thanks!

[still locust]

If you want to be sad, look at jelly replicator

[rustic kestrel]

Jelly replicator kept my pug ret pally alive more last night in a 10 seat 😎

[forest flume]

i tried it on my ppal, I don't think "sad" would be the accurate word

[fallen robin]

Honestly would run igniter over jelly.

[solar spruce]

Defensive trinkets just arent really worth it tbh, the one from dragons is an exception because it deals not horrible damage and gives us another way of generating snap AoE threat, thats the only reason its viable

[forest flume]

when you think about it, someone designed that jelly trinket, and someone approved it, and it made its way into an end-game loot table

there might be reason to believe that one of those people also thought buffing thrash by 200% was a good idea

[half surge]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[rustic kestrel]

the thing is, its like, so incredibly easy to even do a baseline test if a trinket like that will do anything useful

like do a single dungeon with it

I guess thats time consuming to test, but they've got to be doing full dungeon runs at some point to test them anyways right?

[shut jasper]

have you guys seen the caster trinket that's a 3min cd and loses stacks in a couple seconds

[rustic kestrel]

lmao yes

zeppe this is new snake

[shut jasper]

same one, new pic

[rustic kestrel]

nice

[shut jasper]

I do have more but that's a different story

[forest flume]

you'd think so

maybe they just use the tank training dummies, they invested time into those at some point

gotta get that ROI

[red knoll]

Which one of you did it

[rustic kestrel]

ive seen a few different clips of this happening

[vivid wadi]

it happened to me once and I was confused af what happened..

since then I don't charge on that bridge

[shut jasper]

I had it happen and @hazy mural was laughing feeling vindicated about not spec'ing into charge

[red knoll]

Hfc is stupid for not speccing charge

[shut jasper]

also hi suzsie, been a while

[sly raptor]

just double-checking, theres never a reason to click swipe, right? i can safely unbind this spell?

[shut jasper]

hope the murlocs are doing well

[red knoll]

Theres no practical use for tigers dash in keys as a bear

Its a dead talent

[vivid wadi]

Hey Zeppe, yeah we're fine, struggling to get people at this point for mythic as usual 😂

Some people got their myth gaze and fucked off

[shut jasper]

oof, yeah recruitment for that level of progress looks like a nightmare

[vivid wadi]

Instead this time I'm trying to push m+ see where I can get with it

[red knoll]

Im just gunna wait for .7

When we are actually full power

[shut jasper]

the warframe bug bit again recently so have basically just been raid logging for a month

[red knoll]

Had a group crash out on me for going right first instead of left in the first room of seat

And just fucking done

[shut jasper]

still at a the same schedule as you guys or I'd offer an alt to help occasionally

[red knoll]

Dps are the most entitled pieces of shit i swear

In m+

[vivid wadi]

yeah still wed-sun

[shut jasper]

eh on the flipside you get some m+ tanks in pugs that are the biggest fragile princesses ever

any kind of negative comment and they flip the fuck out

[red knoll]

Thats mostly because its all they hear

All day

Backseat tanks and toxic Andy's

But yes

[vivid wadi]

I rarely pug m+, the few times I do I only do 12-13, and often I'm beating 2 dps in overall for the dungeon..

as bear

[red knoll]

You pull one mob out of order in a dungeon and make them walk an extra 5 feet and its the end of the fucking world

Its so infuriating man

[shut jasper]

sometimes the pugs are the affix, regardless of role

[red knoll]

Its not just pugs doing it to me at this point

Guildees are doing it to and I just gave up

[vivid wadi]

if any of my guildies did that I'd rip them a new one

[red knoll]

"Well my last tank did x,y,z, and its better for me" mid pull

After I posted the fucking route

And asked for comments

[tall basin]

This is my Favorit 😂
You post the route before start.
And mid key you pull something they never saw.
„wTf iS tHiS pUlL“ 😂😂
Dafuq for what did i post the route? 😂

[red knoll]

"Is this all youre pulling?" Then proceed to whine when they dont have aoe pad on boss

Not every pull can be a giant pull tanks have cds too lol

[placid blaze]

Did anyone from here participated in this event? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmE8qUfP5YE

[red knoll]

No

But its also not out of the norm f

They've been doing it since cata

[high path]

no it's totes new and revolutionary

the ytotally didn't do it

with tanks

literally every time

[tall basin]

And the best part is… you got flamed 24/7 as tank.
But when you check logs:
0 darkness
0 amz
0 zephyr
And ~ 20kicks (18 from you as tank)
😂

[red knoll]

Im just shocked this is first time people are seeing something like this

Theres entire guilds dedicated to doing this shit lol

[tall basin]

Wait until people see that 1 random dk tank solo the raid (like in every other season) 😂

[red knoll]

"Omg bear gunna get nerfed" brother you can clear heroic with a fresh group of 90s

[high path]

or a hunter that clicks all his abilities

[still locust]

And when you point that out they just only reply "why didn't you do it then??"

[high path]

cause i have better thinds to do

like napping

or doing classes in the corridor due to 35° classroom

[tall basin]

„Ye but last time bear got nerfed because 5 bears timed a key!“
Mhm it was because of this and not because druid needed litterly 0 heal and did dps dmg 😂👍

[red knoll]

Napping is bis

[high path]

except when it's 30° and my cat decide my body is her pillow

[devout goblet]

On my alt I only have trinket slot to fill

is this terrible to craft?
Playing all four specs

maxlvl*

[half surge]

i would not recommend crafting this

just spend coins in windrunner

get 2 A tier trinkets of mythic track

and call it a day

[forest flume]

mythic crests are infinite

it does not matter what you craft really, if yo dont have an alternative for now its fine

[half surge]

if hes starting.. i would still prefer upping the myth track gear to 289

[forest flume]

my lock alt crafted this because I couldn't get anything else :(

[still locust]

Pretty sure if you're crafting a trinket, alch one is a bit better

But simmable

[olive hare]

Hunt is a decent statstick, but agi classes have tons of decent statsticks avaiable. As oxez said, its okay as a temporary thing, but you shouldnt make just for the sake of having two embellishments rolling.

[devout goblet]

thanks, I'll craft it and hope windrunner drops next week

[forest flume]

Yeah that's possible, was more saying that at this point its not a total loss crafting anything to fill a slot, you get the crests back quite fast

now that you said this, why did I not consider alch trinket on my lock

[still locust]

It's been meh for so long

Solid mid tier but never really worth considering

[forest flume]

tbh I usually do it on alts in prev seasons when crests become infinite

I just thought Darkmoon Dominion sounded too good maybe

[outer cave]

Looking at 12.0.7 patch and there isnt any spec tuning?

[quaint pond]

no the game is perfect wait for 12.1

[outer cave]

[solar spruce]

still weeks away so likely they are still focusing on content, very likely changes will come down the line

[rustic kestrel]

if they even do tuning it will be very minor

[solar spruce]

Yeah as far as balance goes this season is essentially over

[rustic kestrel]

maybe theyll increase Warrior thunderclap damage by 600%

[outer cave]

Lol i wish

[forest flume]

[solar spruce]

Id rather they actually buffed them in a way that helps as well as damage

[forest flume]

every tank must be 2 button rotations now

Or else, jail

[rustic kestrel]

what if they make throw weapon reduce the CD on shield wall

[cloud pebble]

Haha, it was best advice ever! Finished 5 +17 in a row, cheers

[forest flume]

You're thinking about using your utility to save your group? That's outside the rotation, straight to jail

[rustic kestrel]

then you just throw weapon throw weapon thunderclap, throw wepaon throw weapon thunderclap

that seems good

[solar spruce]

Also make Tclap a 30 yard radius so you can just infinitely kite and throw weapons

[forest flume]

Why not make thunderclap automatically cast throw weapon?

[solar spruce]

No wait guys

every throw weapon casts a thunder clap at the targets location

Someone get me a job at Blizzard

[rustic kestrel]

just make sure you dont press revenge or shield slam

only throw weapon and thunderclap

[solar spruce]

If you press revenge even 1 time too many there are already people in the Pwar discord who are looking through your logs

[outer cave]

Pwar rotation: shield slam, thunder clap

Ppal rotation: shield throw, judgement (consecration auto cast when casting shield throw)

Dh rotation: demon vomit, spirit bomb

Bdk rotation: death strike (this is upgraded only require 1 button)

Bear rotation: Thrash, moonfire

[forest flume]

Might as well make thrash autocast moonfire on all targets it hits, and remove its cooldown

less confusing for new players

[rustic kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/runescape-runescape-classic-rsc-openrsc-runescape-classic-2001-gif-12458442137522800688

[solar spruce]

Get rid of moonfire altogether and just remove the cooldown on Lunar Beam

[cloud pebble]

lol, I reckon that’s the most toxic channel; I got banned there before I’d even had a chance to post anything—I just thought ‘zug zug’

[solar spruce]

Idk if its the most toxic, but its definitely the most toxic out of the Pwar, brew, and guardian channels

[outer cave]

Genius

[forest flume]

this place is fun when bear is bad in keys (relatively speaking), because people coming here playing the spec do so because they want to - unlike now, where they "" have "" to

[outer cave]

After my brew got declined on 18s for 5 straight min I just logged off and continued to gear my fresh 80 bear

[still locust]

It's just never fun being a fotm spec

Because you'll have people that watched a youtube video or twitch stream suddenly become "experts" on everything to do with the spec

[forest flume]

i wouldn't mind if the "meta" build was to press our buttons as they were originally intended :p

[forest flume]

but this would prob happen anyway

[still locust]

I only mind because we always get 50 people each day come in here and say "VERS IS STACKED BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU LIVE"

And similar statements

[odd cave]

Why get mad now we haven't pressed swipe for 10 years

[outer cave]

I read one of the moon hero talent and saw it read something with maul and stopped reading bc I dont even have that on my bars

[still locust]

And then when you inform them of how it actually is, they froth at the mouth

[still locust]

You probably should have been

And some points

[rustic kestrel]

especially as dotc lol

[desert pecan]

O

[rustic kestrel]

I need a new title/nickname

[desert pecan]

What do you recommend? Or is there a decent way to judge a stats value to survivability

[still locust]

All 4 secondary stats are EXTREMELY close defensively

And because of that, the recommendation is to just gear for damage

Because you still get 99.99% of the survivability, but measurably higher dps

[desert pecan]

Ah

So I got Rick rolled

With haste/versa stacking

[still locust]

I mean it's fine

Haste is good

All 4 secondary stats are good

If you want you can stack vers

It's very low impact

But stacking vers because it makes you live is a mistaken premise

[solar spruce]

Vers is good because bear makes good use of all 3 benefits

damage, healing, and damage taken

[desert pecan]

Anyone know Dr on stats off the top of their head?

[solar spruce]

its whatever rating equals 30% from stats

[forest flume]

it has "damage reduction" in its tooltip, how dare you argue with them

[still locust]

Raidbots does and handles it without you having to ever think about it

[desert pecan]

Diminishing returns

[still locust]

This is a fairly weird statement

[desert pecan]

Not dmg reduction if I didn’t clarify

[rustic kestrel]

Crit is good because bear makes good use of all 3 benefits
damage, healing, and damage taken

[forest flume]

Bulok, Thrash Enjoyer

[still locust]

As showcased by Bulok

All 4 secondary stats increase your damage, your healing, and reduce your damage taken (or rather, EHP in the case of mastery, but same difference)

[torn depot]

Mastery is good because bear makes use of all benefits
Damage, healing and max hp

[rustic kestrel]

You can only judge the secondaries for tanikyness if you are looking into specific situations

In keys theres hundreds of situations

So its relatively pointless, unless theres specifically 1 or 2 situations you want it for

[forest flume]

No but you see the top player plays vers, so thats the only good situation

(/s of course)

[rustic kestrel]

but even then, its so little a factor

[still locust]

A good example is that crit is BY FAR your best defensive stat if you just look at a m+ key very very VERY broadly

Because such a large amount of your damage taken is auto attacks

[forest flume]

I prefered when the discussion was TnC vs EW

[rustic kestrel]

crit is actually really good this season because SO MANY mobs do bonus effects on auto attacks

[wary hearth]

Is there a way to sim stats in raidbots to give the perfect percentages of each stat for maximum dps?

[rustic kestrel]

So technically yes, but as soon as you change one piece of gear, your entire sim is dead

You can only get the best outlook from simming specific pieces of gear

Theres a reason raidbots has hidden the stat weights sim behind a menu

[still locust]

Not in the way you're asking for, but a mix of top gear and droptimizers are what you want anyway

[forest flume]

its not in a menu, its just below the big buttons

[still locust]

And the closer you get to the gear dps increase being equal to the sim margin of error, the closer you are to being done gearing

[rustic kestrel]

sir this is a menu

[still locust]

Sir this is not a menu

[rustic kestrel]

oh

okay

[grim shale]

hello friends, i got knocked on my ass in a nexus 19, can someone help me understand why I died?:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9jFzrtM1Lh2vY7mg?fight=8&type=healing&start=16956842&end=16964416&source=481

I was mashing frenzied trying to overcome the heal absorb, but it didnt budge even a little for a full 3 seconds and it felt like i withered away

[rustic kestrel]

my raidbots bookmark is apparently a gear compare link

so i haven t seen that menu in forever

[still locust]

A WHAT

[rustic kestrel]

You are using Dream guide and only 1 point in reinvigoration, so your self healing is significantly less from FR

[rustic kestrel]

i dont even use it, its just how i get to raidbots LOL

[grand plinth]

I am running super high haste crit and ive absolutely dropped aome of the Skyreach stacks natty this week

[rustic kestrel]

yeah, haste crit especially for dotc seems sick

[forest flume]

so it is both a menu, and not a menu

everyone wins

[rustic kestrel]

Im only like 3 keys behind you brybear

[still locust]

It's likely the heal absorbs just overwhelmed you and your healer. Like Bulok said, if you're running reinvigoration you kind of want to be dream of cenarius instead of dream guide

[rustic kestrel]

im coming for your ass

[still locust]

Reinvigoration will consume dream guide stacks without giving the +100% regrowth healing

[grand plinth]

I timed 2 22s last night

[rustic kestrel]

fuck

[still locust]

Wheras it will do the same to dream of cenarius and get the +120% regrowth healing

[outer cave]

Brybear is the guy who is making dotc look good on archon?

[grand plinth]

DOTC IS GOOD

I PROMISE

[grim shale]

how come so many people using dream guide in murlok - just for my understanding

[solar spruce]

are those his 41 parses

[grand plinth]

This is stupid

[rustic kestrel]

because they probably don't know about the bug/ dont give a fuck

[still locust]

It's passive and almost as strong as dream of cenarius

[grand plinth]

Unironically yes

[still locust]

If you're not reinvig, dream guide is arguably better

But if you're running reinvig you should be DoC all the time

[solar spruce]

Thats awesome haha

[desert pecan]

Does raid buffs get DR from being over 30%
Like if my versatility from gear is 30 and MOTW adds 6% does it DR the 30 from my gear?

[rustic kestrel]

SOME OF THEM ARE MINE

[still locust]

[unique leaf]

thx a lot for help in s1, i have the the achievement 😎 🎉

[solar spruce]

flat increases dont count for DR

[desert pecan]

Word

[solar spruce]

DR is only from stats

[desert pecan]

So basically if I’m hitting 30ish it’s Usually better to restat my next best, and the raid buffs pushing me past 30 is just a nice bonus

[grand plinth]

DOTC literally does the same overall. Better prio ST and burst, more build flexibility and tankier

[still locust]

I really wouldn't think about this tbh

[outer cave]

Dotc require more brian power though

[still locust]

Like I said, the gains you get from manually thinking about this stuff vs. letting raidbots handle it is basically nonexistant

[forest flume]

do you play raze ?

[still locust]

Just gives you a headache

[still locust]

@rustic kestrel There's your new title

[grand plinth]

I've swapped to playing on reinvig one NR but Its mostly just for the ability to apply forestealk and the extra fr durations

[still locust]

How much brian power do you have?

[still locust]

Tbf DG still frequently applies forestwalk

[hazy mural]

Big! gz!!!

[grand plinth]

You don't need it

[rustic kestrel]

like this?

[still locust]

Good enough for me, Brian

[rustic kestrel]

ok

[forest flume]

gotcha, yeah I know it was not needed was just curious what you ran in your keys

[solar spruce]

Sort of yes, but also this season you shouldnt be too concerned about hitting cap from stats because of the overall lower amount of secondaries. My Pwar is at over 1200 Haste and still is like 100 points off hitting DR

[rustic kestrel]

Idk how you run dotc in NPX tho Bry

that shits aids

[grand plinth]

Unironically no raze DOTC was close to being better before the changes anyways

[trim plaza]

With all respect, DotC raze does so shitty dmg its not even funny anymore

[grand plinth]

Idk how people play EC in there

You can't tank pull 2 either way

[rustic kestrel]

God I've never been so in love with someone

[forest flume]

Yeah, was thinking about that

[grand plinth]

LMAO

[forest flume]

brybear is the hero we need but that we don't deserve

[grand plinth]

Pull one DOTC kills faster pull 2 you're perma kiting and then no more Shadowguards

[forest flume]

going to singlehandly flip the stats on archon

[grand plinth]

Its also not really more beanpower

There is some stuff I do that is big brian

That I might make a guide on

But its not necessary

[forest flume]

Even when I try to play brain dead build, I end up using mangle 150+ times a key and press maul anyway

I play no-apex ec like I'm dotc

[brazen tinsel]

in what world are you perma kiting pull 2 as ec lmao

[grand plinth]

When I play EC I play a maul Raze build

And its the same

[grand plinth]

In NPX? On 22?

If you dont have incarn you can't tank that many shadowguard mobs natty

[forest flume]

I've only done (or rather, tried) NPX on 20, and I haven't had to kite pull 2, but l expect it might be needed higher

[brazen tinsel]

idk

ive done it on 22 with barely any kiting

LB and bark are enough each by themselves

so is SI

space out FRs properly and dont panic use it at low stacks

and anyone that plays with a mw (i dont) can facetank it really

[forest flume]

mw makes those pulls way easier 100% lol

[brazen tinsel]

y mw is fucking broken

[forest flume]

the constant trickle healing removes stacks soon as they are put on you

[brazen tinsel]

the diff in playing with a mw and any other healer is ridiculous from a tank pov

dunno how it's for the dps

[still locust]

You think dps notice anything not on the damage meter?

[forest flume]

HEAL ME IM DEAD

[brazen tinsel]

well i meant is more as in

[grand plinth]

Idk in my experience trying that key as ec i get one shot

By the stacks

[brazen tinsel]

idk how safe they feel on the harder bosses with a MW compared to other healers

but obviously it's more than capable lmao

[still locust]

||Have you tried stacking vers?||

[grand plinth]

Lmao

[trim plaza]

Im almost 0 maul using, mby bosses but still 250+ mangles as no apex xdd

[still locust]

But for real though, mastery is insanely strong for dealing with those heal absorbs

But that goes without saying

[forest flume]

crit as well, its the typical "if you dont get the mechanic, you dont have to deal with the mechanic" situation

[grand plinth]

Yeah I think my stats are like high haste crit then mastery than verse

And then I usually just gem and enchant verse

Also i did that 22 NPX with a frost DK

[brazen tinsel]

yea just checked the vod

[grand plinth]

And he like one shot pull 2 randomly

[brazen tinsel]

i left melee for a total of 2s

when i had nothing up

[trim plaza]

Idk, i have worst time with rsham, they do absolute 0 tank healing

[brazen tinsel]

yea it's basically only random aoe splash heal on you

but in most pulls bears also dont need anything

[grand plinth]

Rsham is booty anyways though

[forest flume]

on my rsham i will throw unleash life on the tank and that's all they get

[grand plinth]

Not even for you they just cant heal your team

[brazen tinsel]

wat

[grand plinth]

Unless you play all melee

[trim plaza]

Let me guess, froststrike?

[grand plinth]

Yep

Hes a cool guy

No pun intended

[still locust]

I started gearing my fdk for roster purposes

And man is it fun

[grand plinth]

I'll tell you what tho having control is so OP

For Windrunner last section

He controlled an axe thrower

[still locust]

Death grip is insane and basically no dps use it unless you tell them

[trim plaza]

Hes a menace and like better dk player than 95%, of dk players

[grand plinth]

And it make the last big pull easier

[still locust]

Oh, you mean control undead not mob control

[grand plinth]

And that gave us a second target on boss

Which gives the evoker like an extra breath or two in the fight

[grand plinth]

Yeye

[trim plaza]

U can also control undead the pulse mob in pit last boss

[grand plinth]

He said dont do that

Oh wait no I'm dumb

[rustic kestrel]

You dont pull 2 mobs onto that boss already?

[trim plaza]

I mean, i have not seen any reason not to

[grand plinth]

I guess not where do you get them from?

[brazen tinsel]

previous room

[trim plaza]

The goated dps spec, my long time main with bear xd

[grand plinth]

Oh you just like skip

[rustic kestrel]

yeah theres just a wolf and a spinny guy

and you pull em onto angry orc man

[grand plinth]

I guess that makes sense yeah

[brazen tinsel]

ya what bulok said

[still locust]

I've been in love with 2h obliterate for the longest time, but man. While gearing up I was DW and frostbane just hits different

I don't know what it is

[trim plaza]

Also to note, fdk visuals are like best in this game

[rustic kestrel]

I guess though you could mind control one until last boss

that would be nice to have a 2nd target on

[trim plaza]

It does crazy funnel dmg

[grand plinth]

That might be too risky

[still locust]

It just does crazy damage period lmao

[grand plinth]

Yeah he pulls aggro from bosses off me

If I'm not careful

[rustic kestrel]

psh probs cuz dotc smh

[grand plinth]

Like its mostly been on first boss Magisters

[still locust]

If you mean from the boss itself, that's thankfully not even remotely a problem with new taunt

[grand plinth]

During the knockback

[trim plaza]

Reapers mark+frostbane spam is guarantee aggro if tanks sleeps

[grand plinth]

Yeah I just have to save my taunt for right before it

I just was super not ready for it the first time it happened

[still locust]

I mean you can probably just use 2 taunts on pull with damage and the 800% aggro mod x2 will carry it

Genuinely no reason to not just taunt on CD on bosses in dungeons tbf

[grand plinth]

Fair enough

[still locust]

Not something you'd normally consider but

[rustic kestrel]

i play with a ret pally

and if i dont know what mob is execution sentence is on

its always a little birthday surprise

[still locust]

The one you don't have aggro on

[rustic kestrel]

i told him to macro skull marker into it

[still locust]

Macro divine shield into it

[brazen tinsel]

ES in big pulls is fucking crazy

[grand panther]

Guys can we incarn be4 key?

[brazen tinsel]

mfw the prio mob suddenly loses 50% hp in a single global in a 23 key

[grand panther]

likw in seat

[brazen tinsel]

yes

you can even pre apex if you play that

[trim plaza]

I have seen ret yoinking aggro from graveblade middle of tank buster cast->ret went straight to heaven

[brazen tinsel]

[still locust]

Rets are your best defensive tools

You take 0 damage

[solar spruce]

I thought they patched that out a while back?

[still locust]

You can't hold apex

But you can pre-apex

IIRC

[brazen tinsel]

yea

[solar spruce]

I dont think im understanding the difference in what you mean

[brazen tinsel]

it doesnt remove the 1 min you have on the buffed spells

[solar spruce]

ah

[brazen tinsel]

but it would remove you being able to press WiGu

if you were to only incarn

like what people did on beloren

[solar spruce]

This is why I dont play apex

[grand plinth]

Also part of the tradeoff here is it makes second boss super free

You carry over the apex frenzied and that plus NR makes you giga ultra safe agaionst the busters

[still locust]

Just time the apex right so you have 4x apex for damage amp

[grand plinth]

I thought about that in some places

But IDK if I was doing something wrong but when I tired it on Crawth I lost the WIGU

when incarn came back up

[still locust]

Yeah that happens if you misstime it

You only have until incarn is off CD to press WiGu

[grand plinth]

Yeah so probably still possible on crawth

If you press the wigu a little bit in

and the 1 min carry over

[still locust]

Any time you know there's ~2 min for damage amp

[grand plinth]

Probably not possible on NPX

[still locust]

Because once you press WiGu you lock yourself out of maul until you want to do it

So ideally you would wigu 1 sec before incarn is ready

But no WA, so not possible outside of you keeping track

[grand plinth]

Yeah theres not a way afaik to track them seperately

[still locust]

If you absolutely wanted to min-max it and you have a completely steady m+ group

You could time it

If you just know when it's roughly 1:50 before damage amp

Then incarn, wigu after 1:50, and hold wigu for 10 seconds until incarn (and damage amp) is up

But it's very complex

[grand plinth]

Yeah that might be worth for MC and maybe NPX if you could time it

Crawths amp doesn't last very long

[still locust]

NPX it would be insane if you could

[grand plinth]

so either you'd have to send Mauls into it

Or get insanely lucky

Especially if you're also FF on that anyways

[still locust]

Just don't mangle until the damage amp

[grand plinth]

LMAO HUGE

[still locust]

For surely worth

[grand plinth]

Usually I just hold a proc

IDK I've been trying some weird stuff there to gain an incarn

[still locust]

Yeah. The real reason 4x apex worked so well on Belo'ren is that you had a very strict timer on when you would have the damage amp

[grand plinth]

Like I incarn mid boss and just hold Wigu

and then I ff pruss wigu the amp

That way I have Incarn at the start of the next pull

and then I get it back for the triplle vex ish

[forest flume]

alright, copy paste brybear build, we're so back

[grand plinth]

The stuff I do in kinda dungeon dependent now

[forest flume]

I just need to feed an addon to my team so that when they inspect me, it shows as no-apex

[grand plinth]

I would say these green are my 4 flex

[forest flume]

I'm mostly going to use my default dotc build and move raze into NR lol

[grand plinth]

IDK if the 5% mastery is better dam than Moonless or not

im not a nerd like that

[trim plaza]

Wouldnt DoC be better in that?

I mean who am i to tell

[grand plinth]

so I just have been running Monless in more single target dungeos

I think the abillitity to wog your entire team in one global in a big aoe is big

So I keep Dream guide

I used to be of the opinion that NR and Reinvig were overkill

I have since gotten to the key level where sometimes you just need the extra EHP to live some things

But I still think that you dont need the extra 30% from DoC

[forest flume]

the only diff between what I had and yours is I had raze/5% mastery instead of reinv and NR

[grand plinth]

Yeah I run the 5% mastery in most keys

[still locust]

It's less about that and more that you just lose 50% (or more) of a talent

[forest flume]

do you drop reinv for it?

[grand plinth]

This was just what a ran in Windrunner

[still locust]

DG is fine by itself, but if you press a decent amount of FR it just nukes your DG charges

[forest flume]

I'm kind of sold on NR I abuse it

[grand plinth]

I'll have to look back at the vod and see

[still locust]

And even if you don't plan on manually casting with DoC, you still benefit from it as a pseudo-DG by just letting reinvig consume all your charges

[grand plinth]

The talent I dropp are Beam and Moonless

to move stuff around

[still locust]

And that should be better than having half of DG

[grand plinth]

it looks like the DG is still getting pretty good value

Like I hear you

But IDK if I wanna give up the team healing

or maybe its not that big of a deal

I guess it really is just on the evoker lmao

[still locust]

Lots of breaths through aoes I bet

Idk it's just something to consider

[grand plinth]

My captain?? Never XD

I will try it

[still locust]

DG is still better for group utility

[grand plinth]

for sure

I might drop reinvig

[still locust]

But you do nuke a lot of stacks with FR

Which sucks

[grand plinth]

Now that you've told me that

[still locust]

And DG not being consumed by FR means you also have more charges to fuel potential forestwalks

Albeit random ones

"random"

You'll get a proc every breath of eons

[grand plinth]

LMAO

Honestly I've considered running Symbiotic

I know its not that good

But it does an OK amount of healing

[still locust]

It's also fine, but we have a decent amount of "just fine" talents in the class tree

[grand plinth]

yeah

Thats more or less my take

there's a bunch of just w/e talents

SO it doesn't really matter that much

[grand panther]

Guys i made it to 3.4 k im proud of myself on the 1st tanking season ever

my question is

how many % people are at 3.4k

[hazy mural]

gz!

[hazy mural]

9 pct or so in EU at least

[forest flume]

for NA

https://raider.io/mythic-plus/cutoffs/season-mn-1/us

[hazy mural]

weaklings

[forest flume]

they should separate US from the rest of NA

[hazy mural]

such a British thing to say

[forest flume]

is it though

im in canada, in these trying times being clumped up with the US feels bad

[hazy mural]

England is great when its doing well... if other British countries are doing well then England suddenly becomes Britain xD

[hazy mural]

ooooh

fair

seperate Canada from NA

u can be part of EU

[grand panther]

Nice anyways 9% is really ok for me
Glad that I chose guardian as a tank this season

[amber ocean]

Finally killed mythic crown - 98 overall, 99 for ilevel, I really can't complain 😄

[midnight locust]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/caN2Z4rwL9dDbRzp/9-Mythic++Windrunner+Spire+-+Kill+(29:10)/4-Fuzzý/standard/statistics

+18 - my l;og is so bad, is there anything that stands out? I know i swipe 2 cpm that could have been thrash, but theres a vast difference between me and the top end and i was wondering if others could give me some much needed insight. ty for looking ❤️

[steel maple]

I am level 54

I am so close

[lucid arrow]

theres not much to it other than more thrash

more thrash less mangle no swipe

and food buff ig

like bc you used swipe too much you were missing moonfire/thrash lunar beam cd reductions and you got like 30 LBs less than you should have throughout the dung

[steel maple]

From what I have seen it really is just moon fire and thrash

Basically just cast them like mad

Get high haste

[fallen robin]

You cast those spells so you can cast LB more.

Cast Sundering Roar more and sequence it with Lunar Beam better. Less Moonfire during Incarn.

[steel maple]

Truth nuke

[earnest anvil]

Hey anyone got any idea why my Valeera level 40 doesn't do any damage as DPS in delves?

[merry kraken]

She's intimidated

[copper hornet]

Make sure she actually had a role + curios

[earnest anvil]

Is this ok?

[copper hornet]

looks fine, just sometimes she doesn't have a role especially on alts

[amber elbow]

valeria scales with your level, the delve level, and your ilvl

[earnest anvil]

Ooh, I'm level 80 just got into Midnight, that could be it then

[amber elbow]

100%

[earnest anvil]

Any tip for clearing delves faster? if I'm 80 and DPS valeera isn't helping

[amber elbow]

I wouldnt do delves for leveling purposes, just do a world tour on a 1 for the delve quest at the entrane of each one (and dont turn them in untill 88/89). They heavily nerfed xp

but if you do want to, i recommend using the mandate utility curio as it gives you a big damage proc

[earnest anvil]

I'll give it a shot, sad to hear they heavily nerfed the xp tho

[amber elbow]

theres an addon called follow the arrow that has a good route for 80-90, even has profession crafts for when you run out of xp. thats what i use

[earnest anvil]

How long does it normally take for 80-90?

[amber elbow]

like 6-9 hours depending on effeciency, if you ahve the xp bonus from having other maxed dudes iirc

but dont quote me on that

[earnest anvil]

Sheesh that a lot, well better get to it, I really want to try guardian out, seems kinda strong rn

[grave vapor]

Generally speaking world quests give you the best xp/hour

And I say that with 10 90s

[safe echo]

Any tips for phase 2 of guardian druid mage tower in this patch? Got em down to 3%.

[rustic kestrel]

sounds like you have it figured out tbh

[grim verge]

sim, this sim that...any recommendations on the amount of crit to shoot for?

[red knoll]

on mythic paladins...

that depresses me

[real cedar]

hey team, is solarflare prisim a decenmt trinket for m+

the only other trikets I have is puzzle box and gaze

[daring mortar]

do we go boomkin side for hotw pulls? i'm not seeing any builds with it but saw a few tips on youtube about it

[wary hearth]

are nebulous cores dissapearing? I bought them and did some runs without using it, now I went to the dungeon I want to use, and they are no where to be seem

[solid rain]

With the trinkets you have I’d def run gaze and prism, I don’t like stopping what I’m doing as tank to cast puzzle box

[vagrant ocean]

guys possible to drop ursols warding for double reinvigoration?

[forest flume]

whats your season total in currencies

(this)

[wary hearth]

yeah, it is 12/12 on main and alts, but I didnt roll on main and they are gone, but not that I really need to roll them anyway haha

[forest flume]

idk I'd check your loot history (if you are in a guild you can check there in the history)

bonus rolls cost 2 coins in raid so maybe you used there and forgot, havent heard of anyone just losing their rolls like that

[wary hearth]

Thanks, I will give it a try later

[real cedar]

yeah it feels really awkward

[olive hare]

UW is anything but mandatory, its just a top key choice and a debatable one. Its a flex point. Put it into 2/2 reinv if you want more healing to feed NR with, or put it into SOTF If you want more prio dps.

[vagrant ocean]

NR caps at 250k no?

also is it possible to like

flashing claws like

infinitely

with enough odds

or no

also @olive hare

people running NR are runnign DOC instead of DG

is DOC better there?

[forest flume]

I feel most people taking it do so without reading the tooltip. "10% magic dr that sounds awesome!"

[vagrant ocean]

Yeah

It needs to be like 50%

Or would that be broken

[frigid coral]

I mean sure. A bit of yes and no tho. What is it again 20% chance? Just do 0,20^x for how many times. 5 times would be 0,00032 so like 0,032% effectively no chance and ofc odds get exponentially worse

But surely you'll see 5x when you play enough

[frigid coral]

I just started doing 20s and am mostly in boomy gear. Haste a bit low, vers very low and a lot of mastery/crit. Would I notice any diff when swapping? I'll prob quit boomy soon anyway no dragon trinkey

Just wonder if I should feel more tanky/see more dmg or sth after a massive stat swap (few recrafts and catalysts/gems etc)

[left lantern]

yeah you will take significantly less damage to the point where you won't even need to press defensives anymore and you will probably start outdpsing your damagedealers if you go full versatility

(this is a sponsored post)

[frigid coral]

Hmm you fr or messing with me

It'd be like a significant swap to vers and haste

[left lantern]

my crit vers and mastery are all around 400-450ish, haste around 1.1k

[frigid coral]

Yeah most seem to be around that

[left lantern]

as long as it has haste you are fine

else just sim it

[frigid coral]

I got 900 haste

[left lantern]

there is no magical stat that makes you tanky, it wont even make you "feel" tankier

it all comes down to pressing your buttons

[frigid coral]

Nah but like the haste diffy maybe

In dmg or sth Idk

[left lantern]

i guess haste is noticable to some extent, yes

[frigid coral]

Would drop about 400 mastery and 300 crit towards haste/vers I guess

[left lantern]

just go full sim mode

do big dam

[frigid coral]

Yee I will after sunday probs my last boomy raid day

Would be nice to gain 400 haste drop some mastery

Prolly down 300 crit to vers too. Likely same/more dmg

From crit to vers. But the 400 haste I'm hoping will bump the dam up

[south badger]

Yo guys i played this class for like 3 days now, I did a 20 Skyreach and apparantly i performed terribly. Any log experts that can give some pointers

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QxHKmhycGMFTAfDV?fight=17&type=damage-done

[abstract raven]

Damage seems low but you timed it and at the end of the day all that matters

[brittle inlet]

is it still true that guardian doesnt press mangle? kira's video from few weeks ago says so but some high wclogs seem to press it

[left lantern]

more thrash, less moonfire
my log from a 20 has 15.3 cpm on thrash, yours has 13.1 with roughly the same casts of lunar beam -> moonfire spam with lunar beam rdy is useless, press LB then continue moonfire spam

on bosses press more mangle

my feelycrafty rule of thumb for mangle on bosses is:

if thrash not rdy and if i dont have a GG proc and if I have a gore proc, i press mangle, else continue with moonfire spam - improved my ST dps by a lot so idk if that is the play but it feels correct

[wintry hill]

I am not sure if I can stomach another char in chimaerus pugs, I assume for Keys up to 21 maybe 22 (end of season) heart of wind and solarflare prism are completely fine? (I am not a big Fan of puzzlebox)