guardian

[daring nymph]

cause boss/prio damage is important

[still locust]

There's been a huge influx of borderline obsession with getting LB as low CD as possible

And while it's okay and sometimes even good

It's HEAVILY overvalued over other rotational gains

[trim plaza]

Build confidence and dont scare my brother, u will rank up

[daring nymph]

and heres another 22 mc but with no apex

200+ mangles

[still locust]

Mangle is just insanely valuable for rage gen, which is more ironfur, which means you stay alive better against physical damage

I would mangle over a non-GG MF any day

On any target count

[tall basin]

ye and then check andys AA 22
he did 11k dps moreoverall and use mangle 11 times. and 436 trash casts. gnome did only 419 trash casts.
with you theory he should have more inc uptime and more trash casts
but gnome was 30:54 in it and andy 28:01 min. and gnome did less trash casts?

[trim plaza]

I can bet my asss 95% of rerollers doesnt even full value the full MF spam, they just do it cause streamers says it

[quick schooner]

Im feeling this season, im just like 1 month of keys behind cause of internet provider issues but the goal is to try or to time some +20 if i will complete that i wont ever be this good in t his game lol

[still locust]

Can up that to 99% probably

I haven't watched any, but I get the feeling some streamer said "your top prio is to get LB as low CD as possible"

And people just didn't question it

[daring nymph]

11k more pad you mean

this also requires onctext

because andys group is just insanely good

comparing runs 1 to 1 is just dumb dude

[quick schooner]

Also out of the bat as im preparing for some harder keys, is there any fuckin way to auto mark targets for interupts with addons or something? I'm playing with 1 friend so we are 2 to 3 with randoms, i will try to profile minicc to know where i can go big etc but other then rotational stuff i want to make as easy to manage as possible with pugs

[trim plaza]

More overall doesnt do jackshit if its all pad dmg tbh

[tall basin]

we compare mangle or no mangle in no apex build

[daring nymph]

yes but each run is fundamentally different

[lethal elbow]

we have hunters mark skull macro for our Hunter, and Focus macro's that assign moon and circle to kicks when assigning focus

[daring nymph]

with different teams

with different routes, different kill times

ect ect

[lethal elbow]

there's no "auto assign" style weak aura addon anymore though

[daring nymph]

i only pulled out my log to show you that its okay and kinda better to press mangle in the long run

[still locust]

I mean, it's not unreasonable that needing to press mangle for rage resulted in missed thrash casts, and it can still be the correct choice to do so

You can't see that from looking at a cast overview

[daring nymph]

and you can still time keys by pressing mangle

[still locust]

But for the majority of the time pressing mangle does not interfere with your thrash casts

Only MF casts

[daring nymph]

while increasing the smoothness of your rotation due to increased rage generation

[bitter storm]

For those that play both Feral and Guardian, how bad is the stat imbalance when swapping? Is it just a few pieces that I'd need something for either, or is it essentially a whole swap besides tier slots?

figured I'd ask here as well, just in case

[still locust]

Gear for feral, bear don't care

[daring nymph]

stats doesnt matter

[still locust]

We have people stacking vers, people stacking crit, people stacking haste and people stacking mastery

It just doesn't really matter that much

[bitter storm]

Unfortunately it's the other way around, I've been gearing as Guardian and I'm pretty sure trying to play Feral will be subpar DPS until I get new pieces

[still locust]

Ah, I think feral also enjoys multiple stats

But in general optimal gear isn't that big of a difference for most specs

Like of course there's a gain

But it's like at most 10% difference in a sim usually

From worst to best stats

[strong portal]

interesting you brought pad up, doesnt gnomerender moonkin hotw to pad on the lashers on first pull?

[still locust]

And you probably don't have worst stats

[trim plaza]

Its for early threat

[still locust]

It's not pad if it's to establish threat, and FF doesn't provide meaningful prio damage on a pull with 3 prio targets

[daring nymph]

its not pad

its threat

kele i feel bad for you and catha and lakers

[strong portal]

thinking you need that for threat is crazy comms

[trim plaza]

AA firs tpull there is always 1 dps miss positioned and blasting mobs from narnia

[daring nymph]

i hope this spec stops being fotm

[still locust]

[still locust]

It's a safety net because if a dps gets aggro in melee from a few lashers they probably die

And that's probably the key lost, no?

[trim plaza]

And that pull is cooked if dps dies

[still locust]

And also prevents healer aggro

[daring nymph]

i hope you get nothing but ddh and rets in your groups now

[bitter storm]

Gotcha gotcha, so it's more along the lines of "ilvl is most important, substats won't be the best but also won't be the worst"

[still locust]

Ilvl is by far the best "stat" for every single spec in the game yeah

And secondary stats are neat but shouldn't be your focus over ilvl, except maybe on jewelry

[ionic rune]

Quick question, as a new guardian druid what dungeon is it best to bonus roll knowing that I have 0 myth pieces so far?

[trim plaza]

Laughs in fdk and their mastery scaling

[quick schooner]

Also, its my not my route or something but i almost fucked this 17 i timed. Could some1 look it up and tell me what the less riskiest pull there i should add? My party mid key decide to skip the bridge pack after 2nd boss and i've lost cvount and i dont want to do this mistake ever when i will go for 18 or 19 of AA https://keystone.guru/route/algethar-academy/VdXCcJV/algethar-academy-temporary-route/edit/4

[still locust]

Adding to this, starfall is stronger than FF on like 5-ish targets as EC with lunar beam up, you could argue that killing the 3 big mobs and fliers means Starfall has more value

[still locust]

Fdk prefers crit though?

[bitter storm]

Thankfully the rings I'm wearing are also Feral's BiS lol, there are a few other differences but by and large I should be fine

[still locust]

Yeah should be fine then

[ionic rune]

I was thinking of bonus rolling seat so I get all the pieces and no duplicates. did anyone go with that strategy as well?

[trim plaza]

Crit and mastery, but more mastery these days cause frostscythe/obliterate scales with mastery after it got changed to frost dmg in tww

[still locust]

Yeah but crit is more KMs

More KMs more good

[stiff phoenix]

I know the answer is normally sim but just a quesiton around haste. What % is bis roughly or feels good?

[still locust]

Well you have the answer to the first question

Feels good is entirely personal

I'm fine to play with 0 haste for example

[stiff phoenix]

Maybe, is most effective/optimal is better question?

[still locust]

Well that's a sim question

Can't really give you a number to aim for

It depends on for example your build and even what trinkets you're running

[daring nymph]

anywho

imma do some sleepy keys, remember to press mangle

[stiff phoenix]

is patchwerk okay for bear

[agile portal]

Good morning folks. Quick question.

I am playing druid bear tank, Elunes Chosen build.

I am struggling quite a bit in Skyreach +17 key, the platform right before the 1st boss, where there are 3 packs together.

I am using bark and iron fur spam, but they still seems to nuke me. Incarn is not available as it's CD after clearing the first few packs + 2 ravens.

I have no issues surviving other 17s keys, ilvl 278. Any suggestions?

[tall basin]

did you reset the stacks from these mobs?

[cinder nacelle]

If you roll all the items in Windrunner and all the items in Nexus point you will get every single slot on Myth except head and wrist, and wrist is a solid crafting option

And you'll get 2 acceptable trinkets which really is all you need to think about trinket wise

[tall basin]

adept of the dawn cast fiery talon.
this stacks...
after 10 stacks it deals alot of dmg.
you can reset this easy moving backwards, stuns, knockbacks

ah before boss

my bad

[trim plaza]

Those elemental mobs does magic dmg with melees so IF doesnt help with them

Also the tank buster of blade talon is magic dmg too

[agile portal]

This platform

[trim plaza]

Yes

Those smallies left side

Elementals

[latent oracle]

IM ON IT THANKS MEYRA

[trim plaza]

Does magic dmg melees to u so ironfur doesnt help, also bladetalon buster is magic dmg, but u should have walls ready for this pull cause first pull u are pretty much fine with only incarn

[agile portal]

Blade rush of blade talon is lethal... I cannot survive it when it is x3 in 2 seconds.

Walls? What do you mean?

[trim plaza]

Survival instict

Big defensive, they are often called "wall" xd

[trim plaza]

Nah the bleed is not the problem, its the melees from mobs when u have armor reduction from bladetalon

Also pretty sure that pulls has enrage mobs with crazy attack speed

[tall basin]

aye

[stiff phoenix]

A lot of lingo is from early classes ability names

Wall - warrior shield wall
Lust - horde shaman bloodlust
Kick - rogue int

[trim plaza]

With first pull u survive with only barskin and incarn,u should save all defensives into that next pull before 1st boss

Sure u can always split it if u wanna play that pull safe

[tall basin]

i'm not sure but maybe in a +17 there can be the pre incarn enough so you have incarn for next pull. but not sure don't wanna test this XD

[trim plaza]

Well that works too, abit coinflippy tho

[tall basin]

aye.
for next pull you will have 2x walls + skin + luna up + you can typhoon them and outrun them or use vortex. only bladetalon will follow you.

ye i know meeles hate typhoon. but they hate a dead tank more XD

[hidden bone]

is the apexless build still viable after the nerf?

[tall basin]

some people timed 23-24keys with it. so i would say yes^^

[hidden bone]

Yippee

[trim plaza]

Yes it is

And the most viable build is the one u are most confident with

[hidden bone]

thats true, thank you 😄

[sharp kiln]

Why are we taking convoke > Incarn in the EC Raid build currently?

[agile portal]

Perfect. This.

Thanks folks, very much appreciated.

My mains are Pally Prot and Brew Monk, so a couple of days ago I levelled up a Dudu from level 1 char to key +17. Still no idea what I am doing tbh.

Weirdly, it's just Skyreach that caused me issues so far 🤣

[stiff phoenix]

Aren’t the top keys being done with apexless or am I tripping

[stiff phoenix]

When you say this does that mean you’re not using FR either?

[lucid arrow]

ofc you use FR

i precast that mf on pull with the shield talent

but you use the incarn no cd FR and save 1-2 stacks for that next pull

[stiff phoenix]

Idk the way it was worded made me question it, ty

[patent bramble]

is it bad to cake ur iron fur into thrash and moonfire?

[still locust]

It does a bit more damage if you're fine with playing around layering CDs correctly

[trim plaza]

Ofc u use, its also spammable in incarn, my point was about defensive usage

[still locust]

Frenzied regen is not considered a defensive

It's a rotational self-heal tool

With a very short CD

[still locust]

It is not recommended to macro IF into any other button, no

[stiff phoenix]

Yeah I get you, it’s a healing button not preventing damage. Like WoG for pala

[sharp kiln]

So like Beserk into Convoke into WG?

[olive compass]

There is a talent that turns some of its excess healing into a shield but i wouldn't call it a defensive

[still locust]

It's something like making sure to line up lunar beam and red moon, while also trying to fish for extra red moons from convoke

So the CD sequence on pull could be

Start cat
Lunar beam
HOTW
Berserk+WiGu to enter bear form and CDs
Convoke
Red Moon if you didn't get it from Convoke, continue with normal rotation if you did until red moon is in the pandemic window

If you do get red moon from convoke, it gets a bit more difficult because that means your lunar beam and red moon "desync" from the normal 30 second timer

This is also only a build you would play in raid on fights where you want to use red moon (meaning twin moons is less value)

If you can play twin moons on any given fight, I would just play that instead since it's a less confusing rotation

Convoke is still an option for that build though, since EC doesn't actually care about incarn but only cares about the talent point after which reduces the cooldown of berserk regardless of if you have incarn or not

And without redmoon you just play lunar beam on a 30 second timer, convoke on a 60 second timer and berserk on a 120 second timer, lining them up when you can

[sharp kiln]

Yeah okay, Im pickinmg up what you're putting down.

Makes sense

Love rng dmg haha

[stiff phoenix]

I am baby bear only starting 14s

Baby brained too

[round niche]

out of the no apex stuff on dream, is there a steady go-to if im only going to be doing up to 15s for a bit?

[still locust]

Not really, they're all similar enough that it comes down to your thematics/playstyle preference

[summer hatch]

how does one live adepts in skyreach

[still locust]

That the 2 second bleed mobs?

[summer hatch]

those dont even hurt brew usually

ye

do i have to perma kite

like resetting every 10stacksish

[still locust]

Any short CC and a brisk walk 3 steps away is enough to reset stacks

[summer hatch]

gulp

ok

[still locust]

It feels worse than it is, the debuff is only like 2 seconds long so you can easily reset whenever you feel in danger

Well preferably before you're in danger

But

[summer hatch]

eh the pulls after third boss feel sketch resetting

cause theres so little space as is

[unborn dock]

Incap roar and take a step back, ursol vortex and kite, push back with typhoon

[summer hatch]

ya just feels bad

gucci, ty

[still locust]

Yeah but you don't really need a lot so it ends up fine

[hazy mural]

they are very mean on bear cause they stack up fast unless u have really good dodge rng, can reset em and they stack up quick again, best way is to have good dps just mow em down fast tbh

anytime u have 2 of em, thats the real danger, 1 is ok but 2 just stack up super fast even with the resets u do

[white sentinel]

I'm only pushing 14s so I may be wrong but folks talk about tank anxiety and healer anxiety because if you mess up you brick the key. Although at a certain level of play isn't it if anyone messes up the key is rekt?

[summer hatch]

not really

you can time title keys with a wipe or two

and a lot of silliness

[olive compass]

1 will solo bolo you in high keys

actual fuckass mob design

[olive compass]

like full party wipe ? most often not

[summer hatch]

title keys are 20s

you can def time a 20 with a wipe

[olive compass]

20s arent title rn bud, at least not on EU

[summer hatch]

uhhh idk then gg

last i checked it was like mixed

its resil 20 and like a single 2`1

2 21s ig

on na

unlucky

[olive compass]

i can guarantee that right now unless you have an actual team of people pushing 22s-23s, your key is absolutely over if you have a party wipe in every key except maybe pit

fuck in AA if you get 2-3 random deaths key might be over already

[olive compass]

increasing by 10io/day on EU

[jovial mauve]

with EC hero talents our thrash is magic dmg and get buffed by dh instead of monk? also thrash stacks?

[tall drift]

Yet most times its the dps that screws up…

Had it happen 4 14’s in a row

Maisara Seat Maisara and AA

[lucid arrow]

its always dps not pressing defensives or something like that

[tall drift]

I had a rogue eat 25 hits on the last bridge of maisara :)

[lucid arrow]

my last 18 ws hunter didn't hook on duo boss

[tall drift]

Was an experience and a half

[lucid arrow]

and then even tho timer was chill the dh went full tilt mode and stopped playing

which is the worst dps mechanic to fail

just failing mental cus someone dies on a 18 when it's easily timeable

[tall drift]

This already happens in like 12’s

[lucid arrow]

it happens in every key range

[hazy mural]

EU just too good

[trim plaza]

Bro this shit happens way too often, idk how dps players gets their rating, from lottery?

[lucid arrow]

idk i was more tilted by the dh

[hazy mural]

yep

[lucid arrow]

cus that shit was timeable even tho hunter fkd up

[hazy mural]

u rng into a good group, collect ur rating, gg

[lucid arrow]

but this dh decides when he decrees the key is not timeable then it's not timeable

[hazy mural]

its a pet peeve of mine... ppl who dont know simple maths

could have 99 mins left on timer and they will say, guys its gg

[summer hatch]

i mean

tank io is pretty fake too

v easy to get boosted as bear at least

[hazy mural]

depends what lvl

[summer hatch]

this class requires basically no thinking i cant lie

[lucid arrow]

we were over 11 mins left after killing derelict

[hazy mural]

tanking is more about dungeon knowledge

[summer hatch]

actually go from using too many braincells as brew and dying to like 3 champions to just living infinite champions on bear

spec is so silly

[olive compass]

as someone who picked up tanking and m+ for the first time

and who's basically resil 21

[tall drift]

3.1k rio and 12/13/14 keys are hell, you need to literally inspect ppl to check if they didnt buy boosts beyond +10

[olive compass]

tanking is boosted af

[wind sedge]

We got a cap for how much haste we want?
currently got:

580 Crit
1164 Haste
486 Vers
437 Mastery

Thinking about losing some crit for Hast/Vers

currently doing resil 21

[olive compass]

until you hit the very high keys where your dps become the boosted ones

[summer hatch]

yes

dps is easily the hardest role

then healer then tank

to play perfect

[olive compass]

healing is harder than dps

by a lot

[summer hatch]

uhhhh

to play perfect?

idk about that

[lucid arrow]

keep in mind not all tanks are the same

[olive compass]

check how many good healers there are compared to dps

[summer hatch]

maybe i haven't healed to title

[lucid arrow]

some tanks have to actually time defensives well

[tall drift]

Yes, because if your dps fuck up, theyll always blame u :3

[summer hatch]

i think thats bias tho

[lucid arrow]

and can't just bear keyboard mash to 3600

[summer hatch]

as in more people play dps

[olive compass]

any tank can mash to 3600

[hazy mural]

if u want to min max it, only way will be to sim all ur gear, if u dont wanna sim, u can just have haste for fun and not so much that its detrimental to ur ilvl

[summer hatch]

idk if ppala can mash to 3600

vdh can bear can brew can prot war can

[lucid arrow]

ppala cannot mash to 3600

[fiery jolt]

which build should I choose for M+ from the link above?

[summer hatch]

thats like the only tank tho

[lucid arrow]

ppala around 15 keys you're in mortal danger if you don't time defensives well

[olive compass]

im sure with 290 it can

very easily

[summer hatch]

i doubt

[hazy mural]

healers are the most subjective

[summer hatch]

ya healing is a pass fail

[hazy mural]

can be easiest or hardest depending on ur group

[summer hatch]

theres def right/wrong with dps

but i also have not healed very high

so i couldn't tell u

tanking is def boosted tho thats not an argument

[hazy mural]

nah, its the opposite

[summer hatch]

wdym

u live or u dont

[hazy mural]

u can have a situation where ur the best healer and ppl die

or the worst healer and ppl live

because ppl used defensives well or not

[summer hatch]

i mean ya but that’s not ur fault then

yeah

like healing in a vacuum is a pass fail

can’t do anything abt others

[hazy mural]

im just saying its the least black and white

[tall drift]

Take a look at the logs of my disc priest for the funsies “hesmypookie-silvermoon”

Nearly every key is dps dying to failing mechanics or standing in crap

[hazy mural]

cause a good group helps u so much u dont even have a pass/fail

like in pit, if ppl curse dispel, u hardly have anything to heal

[tall drift]

Healing doesnt have to be hard, dps just make it extremely hard

[hazy mural]

just sit there doing damage

[lucid arrow]

heal difficulty is largely dictated by grps ability to use their defensives

[summer hatch]

i mean idk if ur bricking 12-14s like

consistently

that might not just be a group issue

[tall drift]

Bold of u to assume ppl will dispel

[summer hatch]

some, sure but most/all?

[hazy mural]

1st boss, if ppl freedom the debuff, its easy af and ppl defensive the stomp etc...

[summer hatch]

ya but like in real keys if you dont you die

[hazy mural]

oh I assume they dont xD

[summer hatch]

in lower keys its just a healer issue

[hazy mural]

but when they do, I just parse dps

[summer hatch]

so the problems kinda solve themselves if u just push higher

[lucid arrow]

nah the problem just becomes they die

[hazy mural]

they solve emselves by ppl dying faster

[tall drift]

It is in fact a group issue, 4x14 bricked in a row, which of, 2 assa rogues who were just jerking and dying to basic mechanics

[summer hatch]

yes

[summer hatch]

idk

u can like 3man a 14

[hazy mural]

but I have a meme I like to spam a lot

[tall drift]

After than i started crying and stopped playing

[hazy mural]

https://tenor.com/view/ivan-drago-rocky-mad-boxing-gif-12740361343431073274

[olive compass]

im gonna be real bricking 14s is kind of tough work

[summer hatch]

im sure that like

maybe 10% of natty 14s are truly bricked

but

it takes effort to brick that level i feel

[tall drift]

Check the logs, it was infact not a healing issue xd how can u fail the iceblock mechanic on first boss maisara

IN A 14 BTW

[hazy mural]

not really... its quite effortless

[summer hatch]

LOL

[olive compass]

did you PS him$

[summer hatch]

that doesn't even kill in a 14 surely

[tall drift]

Im about to sponsor an eyetest for him

[summer hatch]

unless ur giga undergeared

[hazy mural]

had a friend who had a boomie fail the la st boss pit mechanic

[tall drift]

Bro was 265

[hazy mural]

and wiped em in 18

🙃

[tall drift]

390hp

[olive compass]

im sorry to say but if you didnt PS him when you saw he wasnt going in it's your fault

[tall drift]

390k

[hazy mural]

nah... if they die they die

[summer hatch]

meh

[olive compass]

if you brick you brick then

[summer hatch]

bad mindset imo

[tall drift]

Why do i have to babysit if a dps is gonna do a mechanic in a 14 to begin with?

[summer hatch]

bad players exist everywhere

u wanna time the key or complain about bad players

🤷

[tall drift]

He didnt do mechanics for the entirety of the key btw

[olive compass]

because thats whats in your control, its how you time keys and improve in literally any game ever

[summer hatch]

^

[tall drift]

Not just that boss

[hazy mural]

that PS can go on the arrow thing that slows u

[olive compass]

im not saying that guy wasnt dogshit lets be clear

[lucid arrow]

there's nothing else to ps in a 14

[olive compass]

but if you could have saved him and you didnt

then you're 50/50 to blame

[lucid arrow]

other than horrible misplays

[hazy mural]

I odnt agree at all

[olive compass]

its not really an opinion thing

[summer hatch]

idk about blame

[olive compass]

its just a fact

[summer hatch]

but like

[hazy mural]

if they wont do that simple mechanic right, then its already a lost cause

[summer hatch]

if theres something u can do to make the key timeable

then u do it

its a 14

[olive compass]

that doesnt matter, what you want is to time this specific key in this instant

[hazy mural]

coordinated assult is a fail mechanic

[olive compass]

the rest is their own issue

[summer hatch]

u can brute force the entire key

[lucid arrow]

yeah you're not doing charity you're doing the key because you want to complete it so you kinda try to complete it

[summer hatch]

^

[lucid arrow]

even if you have to carry other ppls slack

[summer hatch]

bad mindset if u just blame others

[olive compass]

yea

[tall drift]

Just look at the entirety of the logs and tell me how it was remotely close to playable when dps are floor pov’ing like a daily business

[summer hatch]

will be stuck perma at that key level then

[olive compass]

blaming others will never result in your own improvement and progression

[summer hatch]

void shield more idk

[hazy mural]

if ur expecting to ps someone for that mechanic, im not even gonna wanna do rest of the key

[summer hatch]

its a 14

[lucid arrow]

yeah it's a 14

[olive compass]

im not sayin g its normal

[summer hatch]

i think u walk into a 14 expecting not a single mech to be completed

[hazy mural]

cause then u will suck the higher u go and dont have the proper things needed for the unavoidable mechanics

[summer hatch]

people do not know mechs in an 18

[hazy mural]

cause ur too busy tryna what if

[olive compass]

i walked into my 20s expecting people to be apes and i was right

[summer hatch]

yes

actually

[olive compass]

you always assume

[summer hatch]

my first skyreach

my first 20

skyreach

absolute bis players

[olive compass]

that you do not trust your group and that they will fail

[summer hatch]

op warrior op feral

[olive compass]

so you prepare in consequence

[summer hatch]

🙏

[tall drift]

Oh yea and then get a whining tank cus he has to wait for my mana and says im the problem we didnt time😂😂😂 do you have any idea how expensive pw shield is, to press xd

[hazy mural]

if u save em somehow, cool, but putting it on urself that u should have saved em is gonna make u feel bad when its not ur fault

[olive compass]

if you see the guy get in the trap, you don't press PS, if you see him run away, you press the button

[olive compass]

but it is, because you wouldve timed the key if you did

[lucid arrow]

it's just a game why would you feel bad

[summer hatch]

this is just a mental issue

its a game

play to succeed

done

[hazy mural]

cause its a team game

[lucid arrow]

it's just that if you're trying to improve there's literally only one thing you can affect and it's yourself

[summer hatch]

i mean like sure

im not blaming you

[olive compass]

wrong

[summer hatch]

people play at diff skill levels

but in a 14 if u wanan go higher

[olive compass]

its a team game if you're playing with an actual team where you're coordinated

[summer hatch]

its very easy to just brute force the key

if u cannot brute force a 14 u cannot heal something much higher

[olive compass]

but the second you queue into keys, it's a solo game where you try to do what YOU can and do with what LFG has given you

[summer hatch]

etc

[hazy mural]

as in ur not the 1 person who will get the key timed

everyone needs to participate

[tall drift]

Mind you this rogue ate 25 fist hits on the last bridge maisara and refused to stand on the snap

[summer hatch]

u can do a lot more than the avg person tho

[olive compass]

barely true

[lucid arrow]

even if everyone is failing every single mechanic and slobbering on their keyboards, and you're playing at 99% efficiency, it's not like you can take your teammates to a mental institution. you can only improve your 1%

[summer hatch]

if u contribute more

sure

[hazy mural]

and if 1 guy isnt participating enough and they wanna blame u for it, then thats not gonna sit well

[summer hatch]

u do as much as u can

if thats not enough

[tall drift]

Sorry at that point its best effort and not a lot more

[summer hatch]

it is what it is

i guarantee bricking a 14 is not doing as much as one can tho

like

consistently bricking 14s

[hazy mural]

if they dont go in the ice, then its 100 pct their fault, none on healer there

[summer hatch]

an occasional one sure

sure, but healer CAN save them

[hazy mural]

if u save em, thats great

[tall drift]

And u def underestimate how garbage ppl their dps is in a 14 xd

[summer hatch]

is waht im saying

[hazy mural]

but its a cherry

not an expectation for me

[olive compass]

dps still dont do damage in 21s bro, thats just the game

[summer hatch]

ele sham 💀

i know like 2 good ele's

fries in bag type ordeal

[lucid arrow]

i mean i do expect people will press cds to cover fuck ups

[olive compass]

bro knows 1 more good ele than there is in the world damn

[lucid arrow]

they're inevitable

[summer hatch]

ggs...

[tall drift]

Im talking 75k overall

[solar spruce]

Yeah I mean most competent groups should be able to 4 man 14s at this point

[trim plaza]

Not only in 14, there is absolute garbage dps players even in 18's

[olive compass]

yea that number natty goes up the higher the key level because mobs have more hp

[summer hatch]

u can time a 14 with ur tank being top dps

can literally 3 man a 14

[hazy mural]

ppl generally suck at dpsing

[olive compass]

i literlaly did that week 1 as brew

[summer hatch]

u did 75k week 1/

at 220?

susge

[hazy mural]

and even worse, ppl suck at living

[summer hatch]

ok living is hard

[olive compass]

we werent 220 week 1 of m+

we were like 275

[summer hatch]

i was 🙁

[hazy mural]

u werent 220 1st week

240 min

[summer hatch]

a guy may have started 5 days late

and subbed on monday

just perchance

[olive compass]

after sending crests and crafts for the week my monk was like 275

[hazy mural]

yh but most ppl were min 240

[summer hatch]

fair

[olive compass]

i was pulling 80-90k overall in 14s

[hazy mural]

a lot more like 250+

[summer hatch]

bro bear overall is tilting

[olive compass]

all pad no substance

[summer hatch]

the only thing keeping me sane is the cope that its prio is cooked compared to moh

ye

the st lowkey not bad tho with heart

i cant be too mad on boss

[tall drift]

To be honest, if you’re aware that your damage is gonna be under 100K in a 14, you shouldn’t queue a 14

[olive compass]

im pretty sure it actually doesnt matter which mob you're targetting because your cleave will be 100% the same as your prio

[hazy mural]

do u wanna know the sad thing?

[summer hatch]

woah woah

[lucid arrow]

you can just not invite them

[summer hatch]

moonfire prio damage...

[hazy mural]

a lot of the time, my ST/prio is similar to 1 of the dps

[tall drift]

So I have to smell if someone doesn’t do damage?

[olive compass]

agreed, but if you know taht you cant time it with someone like that then you shouldnt queue either

[summer hatch]

this is kinda a crazy statement idk

[lucid arrow]

logs exist

[olive compass]

i check logs

[lucid arrow]

for this reason mostly

[tall drift]

not every person logs keys

[olive compass]

in a group of 5

almost always

one person will be

[hazy mural]

the higher u go, the more u check ppl's logs

[lucid arrow]

so if they don't, don't invite them

[olive compass]

its 100% chance the higher you go

[lucid arrow]

if you want to be sure people will dps, invite people with logged high dps keys

[hazy mural]

or else ur asking for boosties to be in ur group

[summer hatch]

20 skyreach

i will never forget

pure pug

[hazy mural]

the amount of grey I see when im checking logs is insane

[summer hatch]

actual bis players

but idk

being hardstuck 14s is not a group issue i promise

im not trying to be mean

[hazy mural]

im almost convinced most ppl have bought boosts to get into keys easier

[summer hatch]

a couple, sure

[olive compass]

they have

[summer hatch]

friend + resil keys

= ggs

[olive compass]

when you post a resil key in higher keys you get spammed with "200k if timed bro"

[summer hatch]

eu diff

50k here

[hazy mural]

like 4/5 dps I check have a blue parse dungeon at best and rest greys

[olive compass]

i mean that was 2 weeks ago

idk about now

[hazy mural]

gonna get worse

for 1 pct achieve

[summer hatch]

eu lfg is actually built diff bro

[olive compass]

1% is so easy though

[hazy mural]

those 20 resils gonna be lucrative

[olive compass]

its gonna be like 3800

[hazy mural]

near 3.9 I think

all 20s min

[olive compass]

not min

no way

[hazy mural]

for sure

[olive compass]

title will be close to resil 22 i think

[hazy mural]

maybe some 21s

we still have 2+ months to go and more power to come from .7

[tall drift]

The people I like best are the people that look at general parse, instead of key parse, or ones that bother to even look at the parses for keys to begin with. They be like ‘oh I’m so good’ while their parse in the key itself is like a 3 or something.

[left lantern]

old man yells at clouds

obv first-time-completition parses will be shittier the higher you go because ppl eventually spam their resil keys often enough to time the next higher level and therefore improve routes, cd timings and their general gameplay

[hazy mural]

wcl has a feature about that now

so u can see the proper parse

[left lantern]

a blue-ish parse is already more than decent for a dps if you actually care about it

[hazy mural]

and it is sad

[lucid arrow]

how many dungeon runs would u guys say it took u on avg to time 18-19?

per dung

[olive compass]

that was like a month ago

sub 280 ilvl

so i'd say

[tall drift]

Can you show me in DMS? I haven’t seen that yet. I’ve been at work a lot lately.

[olive compass]

2-3 runs on average

[hazy mural]

its 1 blue parse in a sea of grey

[olive compass]

one banged a lot of keys and took like 5-10 for AA/SEAT

[hazy mural]

and it seems crazy to have a sea of grey

[hazy mural]

sec, will get an SS or link

[lucid arrow]

cus I'm moving slow but i wanna see if it's a me skill issue or just not doing enough dungeons

[olive compass]

now i one banged resil 20 on my bear after 1 day of playing it because of gear inflation

[lucid arrow]

i prolly do one or two a day at most

of the next lvl

[left lantern]

grey is a skill issue of some sort, anything above that is legit irrelevant

[olive compass]

some days you'll time nothing others you'll one bang most

[left lantern]

even greens can have so many different things impacting it that arent even in your hands as dps, why bother with it

[summer hatch]

lowkey there’s a lot of shitters at that level

now

if ur behind curve it’s exponentially harder to come up

[olive compass]

yea

[summer hatch]

and making friends is huge

[olive compass]

when you're in/ahead of the curve its nice because you play with people that match your skill level assuming you didnt get lucky and are that good

[summer hatch]

being social is easy io

[tall drift]

I gotta say tho, I mostly do my own keys because getting into keys on le discipline priest is harsh bro

[hazy mural]

like for me, green means u did enough but theres room to improve easily, whether its route or just bad button presses

[summer hatch]

disc is a fine healer

[olive compass]

ive done a few keys with disc in my 21s actually, i dont hate it but i dont love it either

[tall drift]

People are so FOTM horny

[hazy mural]

holy priest

[summer hatch]

eh it’s kinda not really fotm even anymore

mw takes 2 brain cells and bear takes 1

so

[left lantern]

the thing is that routes alone make a parse go from low green to low purple with the same button presses

[lucid arrow]

braincell optimizing

[tall drift]

If you get your hands on a bad discipline priest, your key is just bricked. They won’t be able to estimate in incoming damage and stuff. But that’s not something you will encounter in higher keys

[tall basin]

depends...
normally for 18-19 you would need 2-3 runs/key and timed.
BUT. somes days are losing days. on my bear i wanted MC 19. we prick around 20 keys. ~5my bad. 10-15 RIP keys on second boss (ye idk why people die here in a 19 but they do XD) and ~5 RIPs for something else

[hazy mural]

yep... I never look for like op dps ppl, I just dont want a sea of grey on ur logs thats all xD

[olive compass]

it is, trust

[tall drift]

Because in order to get to those hierarchies, you need to be able to estimate your incoming damage really well

[tall drift]

I feel that’s more like a distraction mistake than them actually being clueless

Or just someone who has swapped specs after doing 20s on a shadow priest

[olive compass]

you really overestimate people who are doing keys in that range

[lucid arrow]

one class being easier than the other is a pretty valid reason to prefer it imo as an inviter

[olive compass]

yea

phys comp is op because its giga easy to play

[summer hatch]

like why take frost mage if an unholy exists in queue

literal 3 buttons

[olive compass]

you dont get punished nearly as hard for having deaths etc

[lucid arrow]

frost mage

you mean death mage?

[olive compass]

also 3x the dps xD

[summer hatch]

kek

yes

and u live

[hazy mural]

damage solves all issues

especially deaths

[olive compass]

yea

[summer hatch]

kill mobs before mobs kill u

ez

[olive compass]

it also helps you get away with being bad

[tall drift]

I miss the good old days where discipline actually rewarded. It took some time to learn but the healing you could do it. It was insane, and now it’s just press for shield and you’re done.

[olive compass]

bad uh > bad mage

[summer hatch]

good mage = bad uh

[hazy mural]

mage gotta press defs

[tall drift]

not literally by the way, don’t come for me, it’s an example

[hazy mural]

UH is the def

[left lantern]

and hope for good rng and if you dont get good rng you are fucked no matter what

disc is just terrible rn

[hazy mural]

if disc is terrible, what is holy?

[summer hatch]

uh lives first boss sr frontal for free

[left lantern]

in shambles since shadowlands s3-4

[summer hatch]

disc isn’t terrible i think

idk much abt it tho

i hear smth smth shadowmend end

[tall drift]

They actually brought out an add on for that so you don’t have to manually count anymore

[summer hatch]

rng

[trim plaza]

I had disc asking for mana in 18 whole run, that was last time disc was invited to my keys

[left lantern]

it legit is

its the only healer that actually has mana issues rn

on top of just being meh at best

[hazy mural]

thing is, holy is sleeper good, not as good as MW... no where near, but its as good as sham

[lucid arrow]

there are some specs that for some reason have crazy utility for the grp that no other class has

[summer hatch]

rdruid 💀

[hazy mural]

if u play it right

[lucid arrow]

looking at dk and evoker

[tall drift]

That’s just a discipline priest who only spam void shields the entire key, I can promise you

[left lantern]

it does nothing well or better than other healers rn, it is squishier than legit all other healers and it has mana issues

[tall drift]

People underestimate how expensive void shield is to actually cast

[hazy mural]

but why play holy when u can

[lucid arrow]

dk comes with magic soak, group wide magic dmg reduction, grips and huge dps

meanwhile frost mage comes with +death counter

[summer hatch]

woah

boss damage!

frost does marginally more!

just ignore overall

[left lantern]

invite frost mage and your dungeon timer decreases by 2 minutes by default

[lucid arrow]

challenge mode

[trim plaza]

Tbh i dont mind mage being bad, they had good fun for 20years, let them suffer

[hazy mural]

invite a priest to ur seat and timer gets better by a min!

[lucid arrow]

god i hate this yoyo balance mentality

[left lantern]

how

[hazy mural]

yep! but they are the shonin main character... just watch em get back up by the power of friendship

[hazy mural]

MC tech on 1st boss

[summer hatch]

ooze

[left lantern]

MC tech on 1st boss just to do MW baseline dps

[summer hatch]

🙁

[hazy mural]

u mc one, shackle other

[summer hatch]

mw does like 30k st there i think

[hazy mural]

holy can do like 20-30k dps there too

[summer hatch]

holy…

[trim plaza]

Well first of all thats cleave fight, not st

[hazy mural]

holy needs good players for it to do damage

or else gotta babysit too much with flash heals

MW just punch kick and gg

[summer hatch]

?

[olive compass]

just bricked sky 21 because my 3 dps and my healer literally died to every single pack and boss randomly to not pressing cds

told you this happens up here

[trim plaza]

maisara first boss is cleave not single target

xd

[summer hatch]

…

reading comprehension is a skill ig

a learned one

[trim plaza]

ohh shit u talked about mind control still

lol

nah 1hour of sleep and 9h of work is hell of a combo

[summer hatch]

unlucky

talking abt seat

[tall basin]

yep i got brainf* too XD
MC old: mind control
MC these days: maisara Caverns^^

[hazy mural]

1 heal?

[olive compass]

clearly he was dying to his lack of self heal as well

[trim plaza]

is it only me but last 2-3 days, every devourer who has been in my 19/20 keys does absolute negative dmg

[olive compass]

dh players dont know how to play

you'll get used to it

also its probably the spec where the route matters the most

[hazy mural]

1 DG regrowth?

[olive compass]

wasnt enough

fuck man idk if this is the best or worst comp in the world for that key

[hazy mural]

the position of the healer tilts me

why isnt he 2nd on screen?

[olive compass]

idk

default blizz frames man wcyd

[hazy mural]

think u can change it in settings iirc

[olive compass]

show

[hazy mural]

or maybe im dreaming it

lemmie see

[trim plaza]

u can

[olive compass]

find it and enlighten me

[trim plaza]

click party frames->show by role

[hazy mural]

hmmmm cant see it... maybe was dreaming it and its just an addon version xD

I remember always having to make tank lead but thats when I was healing so I was always 1st or 2nd

need like 100 more crests this week for my crafts

[olive compass]

my ret died twice 30s into first boss

gg

[hazy mural]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-pink-floyd-the-wall-music-hammers-gif-16095604628153468604

[latent oracle]

[still locust]

Those are hammers

[olive compass]

what

can you screenshot this i cant find it

[hazy mural]

yh but that song is amazing!

trippy video too

[still locust]

Yeah but now you have to recreate the video with walking bricks

I don't make the rules

[hazy mural]

https://tenor.com/view/toshi-cat-brick-wall-brick-bricks-gif-6571537012887815472

is this better?

[round path]

isn't it just edit mode, click party frame, sort by role?

[olive compass]

oh

i thought it was in options

i forgot edit mode was a thing

yea figured it out ty

[trim plaza]

y edit mode->party frames and u see all options xd

[olive compass]

cant wait to brick skyreach and seat 21 again but this time healer frame will be next to mine

[trim plaza]

that takes skill

[hazy mural]

ooooh

was editmode?

[olive compass]

ye

[hazy mural]

guess I was half dreaming xD

[olive compass]

dies to chakram, gets cr, doesnt look and gets chakramed immediately on spawn

[clear lark]

Hello does anyone know if Hibernate can be used instead of Paralysis at the end of Academy for the patrol casters to play them 1 by 1 on boss? Will the mob actually come after? Sometimes our group doesn't have a monk so trying to find a good way of doing that. Thank you for any info! ❤️

[olive compass]

can just entangling roots

[clear lark]

Hmm 2x roots is 40 like Hibernate so I guess that could be fine

ty

[subtle cypress]

TEAM!

I need a working focus target macro with target marking.

preferably one marks with mouseover because mine doesnt target mark, but does the focus part

[brazen tinsel]

i recommend you to get the FocusMarker Assistant addon; you can easily change your mark there and it will announce your kick marker on readycheck

[subtle cypress]

Interesting, I'll get it, thanks for the suggestion

[olive compass]

does it automatically assign a mark or do you have to manually do it ?

like during a pull*

[brazen tinsel]

it just creates and changes the macro for you with one click + the announcement thingie which is useful for pugs

you still have to focus the mob yourself

addons cant do that

[subtle cypress]

This one works great

[steel vault]

Can someone recommend some good bear nopex video guides? I saw awoos, that was great. any others?

[tall drift]

psst

apparently some people in +16 do press defensives

[trim plaza]

gz

[tall drift]

i think i can now say that quadriple deplete i had on 14 wasnt my fault 😭

[lethal elbow]

why do I keep getting punked when doing Cat-HOTW ? Seems like every time I do it I get smashed but should persist shouldn't it?

[olive compass]

only thing i see is the worst name ive ever had the displeasure of reading in my life

[rustic kestrel]

as EC if theres too many mobs it will still hurt pretty badly

[trim plaza]

i have seen worse

alot worse

[still locust]

Make sure you're specced persistence, a lot of popular builds drop it for no reason at all

[lunar galleon]

hello guys, im new to bear druid, is there a way to disable the gore proc visusal from my screen? it keeps blocking my vision. thanks in advance

[rustic kestrel]

settings > spell alert opactiy > 0
Note this also hides your GG procs, and your tier procs, and will turn off similar types of procs on all of your toons without an addon

[lunar galleon]

figured as much sadge

[oblique adder]

Is it too hard to get fel bear ?

[rustic kestrel]

thats completely subjective

its still easier than shadowlands release

[proper slate]

Nah just might take a few tries

[lethal elbow]

Thanks, yea it seems to kill me half the time! I've taken to popping a defensive then do it now. (17 keys atm)

[cold ocean]

I prob suck but it took me about 15 tries lol

[oblique adder]

All i needed to hear lol

[lethal elbow]

yep I checked that myself lol but it's there!

[tall drift]

well if it makes the displeasure a little less, its not some edating xd we infact live 8 min apart

its just a meme name

[cold ocean]

And just watch some videos of how to do it / mechs

[burnt sandal]

I’m having such a fun time with the 4 battle axe pull in 20 AA

[proper slate]

There's some good vids on YouTube showing how to do it

[long barn]

Hey question, is double moon firing a pack from far away usually generate enough threat for the mobs to walk towards me and not anyone else?

[still locust]

That really really depends on what else is happening

[trim plaza]

if dps doesnt touch them, yes

also to note healer hots rips aggro from u with only moonfire

[tall drift]

not even just hots, a pain suppression during the pull is enough

[stiff phoenix]

Yeah same, watched a video when I started in DF and I reckon 15-20 got it. I think darkmech video was the one I liked.

If I can get it anyone can

[long barn]

Right that is what I’m noticing. I see a nice pack from a distance and want to pull it with moon fire then they start walking to everyone but me lol

[fallen robin]

You only grab aggro on the two mobs that take damage

So if you have a healer/DPS pressing buttons they will get aggro off you quickly.

[cold ocean]

Try to position yourself so you can thrash when they get near

[long barn]

Yep, that’s exactly what I’m thinking. I noticed the healer getting aggro when I try to pull the first 3-4 packs in Seat right as the key starts, if I only use moon fire, say on the right pack then move left.

[forest flume]

you have incarn rolling when key starts and that means a very low thrash CD, you can pull all 3 packs quite fast running into them and thrash'ing

[olive compass]

lies

[rustic kestrel]

Especially for pulls like first pull of seat you should be using moonkin hotw

issue is instantly fixed

[forest flume]

but then you're in moonkin form for one second

sadness

[rustic kestrel]

you do it as the key starts

oh nvm i get it

[forest flume]

yes

[rustic kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/boomie-boomkin-dancing-druid-photo-gif-2397901215767459390

[hazy mural]

I want a dungeon where everyone is a moonkin

so we can kill em all

[long barn]

Do you use macro for that or just press moonkin -> hotw -> bear form

[hazy mural]

200 pct route every time

[rustic kestrel]

no macro

[tall drift]

okay bro xd

[lucid arrow]

you can macro it, i have a macro that does cat -> hotw -> bear

can just make it one macro and hve a modifier to do cat hotw otherwise moonkin hotw

tho moonkin hotw isnt required and not often taken in higher keys

but sometimes you get adhd DH in lower keys and you need it so they dont instantly blast and die

[noble ledge]

Is Mythic Raid prog harder as Tank than a DPS?
I know this is a subjective question but I'd like to be part of a Guild for Mythic Raid for the first time

[trim plaza]

tanking a raid is free as f

[forest flume]

In general it's easier to get into a guild as DPS, and transition to tank - not a lot of mythic guilds are recruiting tanks

[trim plaza]

its like being on a vacation after doing keys

[lucid arrow]

ye recruitment is the hardest part

[half surge]

Tanking is easier as play part but harder on learning part, cuz theres bosses like salhadaar and paladins where tanks do 90% of job

[lucid arrow]

tank is a binary thing, you will wipe the grp until you learn the mechanics

[rustic kestrel]

If you aren't raiding ce within the first few weeks, then the hardest part about raid tanking is staying awake most of the time

[lucid arrow]

and then when you know them they're simple

[trim plaza]

this

[noble ledge]

📝 🐛

[lucid arrow]

tho keep in mind any guild looking for a mythic tank rn is extremely sus

[half surge]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-rizz-rizz-gif-11157824601050747846

[half surge]

why tho?

[lucid arrow]

bc rosters are filled start of season and 2 tank slots very rarely change

[rustic kestrel]

Its end of tier farm for a lot of guilds atm, its perfect time to look for new recruits

[half surge]

and if tank left.. means some drama might have accured

[lucid arrow]

best case the current tank conveniently has to stop raiding due to RL or wants to go dps

[half surge]

and... means something might be sus yeah...

[forest flume]

"You guys suck at damage, let me show you how it works"

2 weeks later: Alright I'm going back to tank

[half surge]

i mean... tank is not hard

its... overwhelming to ur mind

esp when u see ppl do mechanics wrong

or try to overcomplicate SIMPLE mechanics

[trim plaza]

nah, its just funny

[half surge]

when u dont care.. exactly

[lucid arrow]

tank spots are hard to gain/lose in general so ya at this point

[half surge]

but when u expect to progress

[forest flume]

the trick I found to not fall asleep while tanking for my previous CE guild, was to be the raid leader / gm / everything guy - no time to fall asleep

[half surge]

and u can do nothing about ur guild

cuz u are just humble tank

u cannot solo the boss

[trim plaza]

tbh im just "progging" raids for loot, CE is like second thought lol

[half surge]

im not a raid leader but as 2nd tank i always try to help, and most of the times ppl listen to me after few wipes

paladins good example

and executes here

our guild tried the tech with marks and to put soaks on same ish spots

which made mechanic harder...

i tried to convince them in opposite that we dont need to send ppl in exact marks, just spread accordingly

they understood it after 1 day of wipes...

u can imagine my face ye?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

(btw literally, cuz i was there as bear)

worst in raids is

when RL/other RL friends

try to convince ppl for mechanic that overcomplicates it

and dont care that they are not liquid or methods, they are casual dad gamers (or else) that do casual 2 raid days per week

[olive compass]

im about to lose it

4th wipe in SEAT 21

key is resil but i dont know how long the group will hold 💀

[lucid arrow]

i mean..

i was doing resi 18 for 3-4 hours the other day

seat

[forest flume]

Seat is my group's weakness, it seems everyone gets hungry for good old void balls on 3rd boss

[half surge]

not just boss huh

ppl get tired at the moment 3rd boss happens

[lucid arrow]

ye 3rd boss void balls someone always eats it

[forest flume]

we got into the 3rd boss area with 14 minutes left on 19, and then badumtss

[olive compass]

i would yell slurs at this

[lucid arrow]

1-2 people dying to orbs is a staple

i always expect it

[forest flume]

the fun thing is if we swap roles because we play w/e, and I go dps, I will also eat orbs

so we are just cursed

[olive compass]

bad*

sorry brotato

someone has to tell you

[forest flume]

damn

[trim plaza]

hot take, seat 3rd hardest boss this season

[lucid arrow]

no way

[forest flume]

there are no burn centers near me IRL

[olive compass]

not even a hot take

[rustic kestrel]

that takes colder than the north pole

[forest flume]

north pole is getting warmer and warmer though

[lucid arrow]

cold take seat hardest dung

[forest flume]

that's only 3rd boss, rest is pretty ezpz no?

[lucid arrow]

in general it seems the most difficult to me at higher keys

1st boss is also not easy

2nd is ezpz

[trim plaza]

overall it might be hardest, AA is just hard cause of tight assss timer

[forest flume]

bringing a warlock to seat reduces the overall difficulty by a metric ton too

[half surge]

how bad this pull is...

[trim plaza]

cooked

[lucid arrow]

what is this suicide pull

collect life insurance ahh pull

[half surge]

im theorycrafting

its either i do pull7 above

[trim plaza]

thats the "if we brick the key, we do it with style" pull

[half surge]

or add pull 8

[lucid arrow]

why like that

yo cursed route

[half surge]

whats cursed about it

[trim plaza]

adept +champions->jail u go

[half surge]

generic route

[forest flume]

eh you can wild charge fast enough if you time it right

[lucid arrow]

5 7 8 seem cursed to me

[trim plaza]

exactly thats the key word, IF

[rustic kestrel]

lmfao

[lucid arrow]

9 also kinda cursed

[half surge]

the whole fucking dungeon is kinda cursed huh

[lucid arrow]

ye

cursed dungeon

seat

[half surge]

every pack is deadly'

either bleeds

[lucid arrow]

buy boost lvl 22

and never run it again

gg

[half surge]

or aoe

or else

[trim plaza]

5 and 8 are fine, 7 on the other hand

[half surge]

7 is fine too if im not doing wrong stuff

[lucid arrow]

ive never seen a route go do 8

[half surge]

if i press the kick charge

[lucid arrow]

is it to skip the 2 before 3rd boss?

[half surge]

yes

[trim plaza]

i have done it many times xd

[half surge]

either these 2

or the pull8

[trim plaza]

yes

[lucid arrow]

lock skip?

[half surge]

lock/aug

[trim plaza]

like doing 2x destroyers in high key is giga hard

[rustic kestrel]

You can skip with Lock/Aug/Warrior/DH

[half surge]

im just kinda lost

[trim plaza]

or atleast it makes healer hate u

[half surge]

where to get count

if skip 8 pull

[lucid arrow]

packs

in first room

[half surge]

u either make other pulls harder

[lucid arrow]

everything in ther

e

[half surge]

still not enoughj

[trim plaza]

subjugator+champion pack before walking into 2nd boss room

hits tank kinda hard but without adept its fine

[half surge]

these?

[trim plaza]

no

or i mean yes those three from left

[left lantern]

illegal in many different ways

[trim plaza]

but left pack close to it

[rustic kestrel]

bro is there a magnet in your head looking for the deadliest combos

[hazy mural]

[half surge]

this pack is worse than subjugator

due to elemental...

[left lantern]

1 banish

[trim plaza]

just cc it

simple as f

[trim plaza]

ye this

and done

[half surge]

banish huh... wish every class had banish

[hazy mural]

it also dies fast

[trim plaza]

u just said u have lock

[hazy mural]

and the elemental dosent start hurting straight away

[left lantern]

subjugator packs arent even bad, they give good count and are relatively easy to play aside from the heal absorb

[half surge]

if ppl actually had brains to fkin focus it

[hazy mural]

it does a debuff 1st, and then has light aoe

[half surge]

nope, i have aug+rsham friends

we push as 3

[hazy mural]

then it does the sharp big aoe hits

[trim plaza]

well then just invite one

xd

[half surge]

makes sense

anyway still need to tinker the route

[trim plaza]

idk, i just dont pull a single adept

fck those

[half surge]

what about this...

[trim plaza]

expect the 1 patrol

[hazy mural]

my latest cook

[half surge]

subjugator+adept

[trim plaza]

kinda basic

[half surge]

but other than that its tank pull and nothing to worry about

[left lantern]

bad pull order

[hazy mural]

wtf... thats rude

[left lantern]

you want gatewarden > any other pull > gatewarden

[hazy mural]

I want shock and hate

[left lantern]

idk if they are called that, you get it

[trim plaza]

idk, pull 4, explosive adds, 2 rift stalkers and warden is kinda yikes

[hazy mural]

gatewarden? which pull?

[half surge]

those explosive ones is just for dh mostly

[trim plaza]

warden+riftstalker bleed already blows ur group

[left lantern]

4 5 7

[half surge]

to make him buffy

[hazy mural]

oof rift guys

[left lantern]

you want it like 4 > 6 > 7 > 8 > 5

but not with exactly the mobs you have tagged

[trim plaza]

the only difference is i wont ever do that subjugator+adept combo xd

[half surge]

why the high lvl routes so hard maaaan

[hazy mural]

it works well due to chain

[half surge]

thus tanks shortage

[hazy mural]

u dont want to be ooc

[half surge]

is there

[lucid arrow]

r8 my route

ignore skip

[half surge]

basic one

[hazy mural]

u dont fight Laura

I hate it

[half surge]

its the basic one i used

[lucid arrow]

ye we wipe on 3rd boss and gg

[hazy mural]

fair

[lucid arrow]

its all i nthe route

[forest flume]

do the tentacles one shot people in higher keys

[hazy mural]

which ones?

the big ass ones or the boss ones?

[forest flume]

the ones that knock you in the air

[lucid arrow]

3rd boss tentacles

oh

[hazy mural]

yh

[half surge]

kinda... do

[hazy mural]

u go enar em, ur toast

near*

even tanks can be toast

[forest flume]

we were messing around trying to find ways to skip thre last 2 destroyers, and on M0 you can get knocked over the wall

[left lantern]

1st area could be 2 pulls and then packs with bosses instead of 3 pulls

no recovery pull between 7 and 8 just means 2 very rough pulls b2b for healers + elemental and riftwarden together is very sus

pull 12 sus