guardian

[trim plaza]

most fun tank, come at me

[red knoll]

isnt sanlayn like

all haste

required

[void magnet]

yes just sim

that is how u win on bdk

[trim plaza]

i eman it needs alot more haste, DB doesnt

[azure ibex]

I find bdk deeply unfun to play but that is the beauty of wow having varied playstyles

[trim plaza]

yep

u are right

about that

but even sanlayn is not that haste hungry, ug et alot from sanlayn tree and boneshield already, but more the better

[red knoll]

i like db but i heard sanlayn is ridiculously far ahead

[trim plaza]

i have like 23% base haste with sanlayn gear, 14% with DB gear

[trim plaza]

DB is easier and better to manage boneshield, but yes sanlayn is 10-15% ahead in dmg

[red knoll]

i just like the scythe man

🙁

[trim plaza]

play it bro

its good too

[void magnet]

yea just play it

most of the SL players are inting

so they do the same amt of damage

regardless

[red knoll]

15%

[trim plaza]

sanlayn is good if u can handle to keep the buff

[red knoll]

is a lot

[void magnet]

yes 15% is alot but you make a mistake you lose it pretty quick

[trim plaza]

also db is a bit tankier, mby liek 4% XD

sure that makes difference with blood

[void magnet]

they removed all the fun parts of SL for keys anyways no more blood beast nukes no more infliction of sorrow nukes

[red knoll]

isnt it just full heart strike

as SL

[trim plaza]

naah

ds is ur main character

on sanlayn

it cranks

vampiric to keep buff going

[red knoll]

thought u wanted to hs for

[trim plaza]

and rp

[red knoll]

dance of midnight

[shut jasper]

idk why but I always feel a fair bit tankier than what the difference would suggest

[trim plaza]

i mean u do that in db too

[shut jasper]

I miss when my ugly child was strong on sl

no fun anymore

[trim plaza]

cause its easier to manage

[red knoll]

im currently 5th in damage on my bdk

in lfr

x.x

while talking to you guys

[shut jasper]

but haven't touched my dk in a while

[azure ibex]

the b in bdk stands for bear

[red knoll]

and afking fights

[azure ibex]

bear dk

[trim plaza]

on sanlayn, DRW windows u spam vampiric strike/death strike, outside of DRW u keep buff going and death strike ofc

[shut jasper]

death strike being your top even on large pulls is mildly amusing though

[trim plaza]

and blood boil cause it does shitton of dmg

[shut jasper]

that thing slams

[red knoll]

this my current loadout

[shut jasper]

wrong rune for sl

[red knoll]

ya

i know

[trim plaza]

i have done like 4x 350k DS crits back to back, feels good

[red knoll]

im db rn

[void magnet]

play sang even on db tbh

more importatnt damage

[shut jasper]

probably correct for db yeah

[void magnet]

ethical

[trim plaza]

ye sanguination always in raid

[shut jasper]

since it's a lot more st

[trim plaza]

fallen for DB in m+

[red knoll]

i mostly m+ on it rn

[vernal fog]

pls make bear suck in raid and op in m+ 🙏

[shut jasper]

hell I think last time I simmed sanguination was ahead on 5t

[red knoll]

WHY

[shut jasper]

but this was ages ago

[trim plaza]

cause death strike cleaves

u have perma 3 target DS

[shut jasper]

yeah but only 3t

[void magnet]

yes fc is better on db if you are padding and hate your group

[red knoll]

only time you you d&d is on procs right?

[oblique moat]

pls make bear suck in group content and OP in delves

[shut jasper]

thought the cleave would make the alternative pick up at 4t+

[azure ibex]

fc db sl ds d&d reeeeeee

[trim plaza]

nah u d&d even without procs for buff

u get dmg and healing buff inside d&d

[shut jasper]

you should start saying random prot warr stuff pasha

[trim plaza]

nah

[red knoll]

god i hate targetted upkeep spells

[trim plaza]

DB might get slight edge in like 20+ pad pull

[shut jasper]

are they still running the talent that makes dnd go kaboom sometimes?

[red knoll]

so i really need to upkeep d&d

every 10 seconds

ugh

[trim plaza]

nope it doesnt work anymore like that, it got changed because of UNHOLY

[shut jasper]

wait what

[trim plaza]

ye, unholy was op so it got reworked, now u play the other choice node, ggs

[shut jasper]

smh

[red knoll]

basse

[trim plaza]

yes

[red knoll]

why they make me spend a rune every 10 seconds

for upkeep

x.x

[shut jasper]

tbf the other option on the choice node does something defensively

[trim plaza]

i mean, its not that bad

[void magnet]

bc its good button

keep it up

[trim plaza]

5% dmg, 6% healing we take those

or was it other way

w/e

[red knoll]

when do you marrowrend as sl

[trim plaza]

also if u play DB u have perma boneshield anyway

[trim plaza]

if boneshields goes under 5 stacks

why? because of ossuary

[red knoll]

is DRW window still heartstrike spam

or did they change that

sorry vamp strike

[void magnet]

yes if you dont cap rp

you ds to not cap

otherwise its 1 bb

and all vs

[red knoll]

whats the 1 bb do

[trim plaza]

vampiric strike and send DS to not overcap

[trim plaza]

4 blood plagues

[void magnet]

applies the drw bb plageu copies

[trim plaza]

DRW copies ur strikes

DS, vampiric, Blood boil, marrowrend

[red knoll]

o right

[azure ibex]

tempting but nobody would converse back and i would simply look like a raving lunatic

[red knoll]

i knew that

[shut jasper]

understandable

[trim plaza]

i actually was this close to main Pwarr this season

but then i didnt even level that character LOL

idk what happened

[azure ibex]

I find it to genuinely be fun. The apex isnt all that exciting but its always satisfying to hit people with a shield and ignore physical damage as a concept

[red knoll]

is consumption a real button in raid

[azure ibex]

Plus you get a lot of strong mob control now

Having a ranged silence is giga

[red knoll]

can we talk about how

warriors get that

[trim plaza]

yes, after DRW ends, u send it at power level 3

[red knoll]

and no one fucking says anything

[void magnet]

its fake real man unfortunate

yo upress it

[trim plaza]

cause warrior didnt have anything for shit long time bro

[azure ibex]

Warriors needed something

[red knoll]

bears needed something

x.x

wheres bear utility

[azure ibex]

Its called 200% thrash

[trim plaza]

imagine if stampeding roar would still be only bear thing

fcking hell

[red knoll]

imagine if bear had anything unique

[azure ibex]

To be fair they giga nerfed the prot move speed util and its not worth taking for the speed

Its great for kiting though

[red knoll]

you have a roar now

x.x

[azure ibex]

We have a quarter of a roar on a longer cd that only effects people within like 8 yards

Sorry, 6 yards

[red knoll]

still a roar

its also 12 yds

cuz the talent u always take

that doubles it

[azure ibex]

Still pretty dog

[red knoll]

isnt that literally stampeding roars radius

[azure ibex]

15 yards for roar iirc

[trim plaza]

y roar is 15

[azure ibex]

and double the speed boost

[red knoll]

doesnt the capstone make it more

[azure ibex]

No

[red knoll]

importantly its also a snare

which is cool

[azure ibex]

Yeah thats what it gets used for

Very nice for adepts in skreach

[trim plaza]

d&d slow is fcking op for those

[azure ibex]

Though intim shout is also pretty strong and on the same node as piercing

[trim plaza]

and ams also immunes those melees

[azure ibex]

But intim also doesnt work well in some dungeons cuz its a fear and theres a lot of undead milling about

Anyways, Wrecking Throw is goated and i hope they never take it away

Ranged silence my beloved

[trim plaza]

how long cd?

cant remember

[azure ibex]

45s

[trim plaza]

yikes

i mean its better than nothing i guess

[red knoll]

45 second silence is insane

lol

when you have a melee kick

[trim plaza]

thats Rshaman for u xd

[red knoll]

on top of it

[azure ibex]

And its not a kick, its a silence so it doesnt work on CC imune mobs

[red knoll]

yeah

its good for what its useful for tho

which is grabbing shitters

[trim plaza]

giga good to get some rando caster close to u

[azure ibex]

Yeah its great. Grab casters the dps wont kick, or explode a shield on a mob

Its strong enough that it can be worth pressing just for DPS if you have to move away from the boss for any reason

[trim plaza]

hot take but the most recent ability they gave to Pwarr, shield charge is goated and makes so much sense for them

[azure ibex]

Not really a hot take shield charge is a beloved ability

I just wish it showed up correctly in logs

I'm glad they got rid of the nodes below it and just baked all that into the spell itself

[sweet pawn]

Tips for seat? Just did a +12 and it went very smooth. But I feel like a LOT of damage was taken. Using the MDT addon and trying to find where these guys are taking so much damage

The heals are so cozy though

[trim plaza]

seat is one of the heaviest for tank

champions hurt like crazy and u cant let them charge to u

[rustic kestrel]

remember when they took a part out of it and made it a tier set instead? 😎

[azure ibex]

⚰️

[sweet pawn]

What do you mean? Do you mean my responsibilities to position so they dont take damage?

[trim plaza]

ohh u mean ur group took dmg?

there is these mobs called champions and they are really heavy for tanks cause their enrage buff, also if u are range, they will charge to u and leave a nasty bleed

u pretty much cant never kite them

[red knoll]

my favorite when the boomkin or shaman knocks them away

so fun

[trim plaza]

or i mean, u CANT kite

them

[idle spindle]

Are there any legit good tanking trinkets? Or is it all dmg?

[red knoll]

this raid comp

[trim plaza]

dragons from raid is decent one

[azure ibex]

Soooo are they trying to feed cloth to the priest?

[idle spindle]

Dude mage is supposed to be popular but I don’t see many lol

Most raids I’ve done I’m the only one

[azure ibex]

and plate to the dk/warr?

[idle spindle]

Velgor?

[noble locust]

Needs more BAER

[trim plaza]

ye the duo dragon boss

everytime i go to raid, warlocks doesnt exist

[red knoll]

its lfr

[azure ibex]

oh

fair enough

[red knoll]

i just got 25 stacks on lura

x.x

[azure ibex]

Lucky priest then

[red knoll]

we just wiped

lmao

[trim plaza]

i still get ptsd from lfr dimensius

shit was rough

[sweet pawn]

Ya, sorry. I was fine w/ the damage taken the entire time on myself. The bleeds didnt happen often so I didnt even register that. Is there a way to cut down on group? Just stand on chapions pretty much?

[trim plaza]

no its a tank thing

[azure ibex]

I mean, theres only so much you can do to help other people not take damage. Keep mobs together, interrupt things, dont pull like a maniac, make sure your healer has mana, etc etc

[trim plaza]

warden just hurts group, kinda impossible to dodge, also if riftstalker bleed overlaps

[azure ibex]

Don't pull packs together that have multiple aoe damage events, etc

Otherwise, keep yourself alive and help kill shit and it'll work out

And pray your dps understand the value of a defensive

[red knoll]

those are the buttons you press after you hit 10% right

?

[azure ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10311420692458175149

[red knoll]

we have wiped twice on lura to an evoker holding the crystal hovering into the void

.....

[hazy mural]

Subjugators do a channel where they put a circle and slow and do big damage on people, any snare removal removes the circle... conjurers have an elemental next to em that does a lot of aoe damage whilst its up, when it dies they eventually try to summ another one... if u got a lock in the group, they can banish the elemental. The 4 big portal guys doe medium aoe damage then they do a big slower but nastier aoe damage. The Riftstalkers also bleed ppl for a lot. 2nd boss does big aoe when the circles pop and then when it does overload, its an aoe dot... also has the cat that bleeds random ppl... void infused destroyers put a circle on 2 ppl and it does big damage and a strong dot after. shadow weavers suck someone off for a few secs and that does a lot of dam, 3rd boss does a suck on 3 ppl and then summons tentacles that also sucks ppl till they die or hard cced, then he does an intermission where he closes up the room and does more aoe... last boss just does tons of aoe the more adds that are up and whomever gets the lines gets big damage when lines go off on em... That should be all the nasty damage bits of the dungeon

[frosty flax]

hey, heard something about a moonfire macro when playing Guardian? is that something that exists or so haha

[red knoll]

it exists

its not very good

or proper

[lament blade]

so aoe is just thrash and moonfire. is it the same on ST?

[red knoll]

rather

[frosty flax]

okii, any special macro for iron fur? or just click it on it normaly? 🙂

[violet holly]

no macro

[cloud hinge]

legit gonna take me a week to do this mage tower my god dsjfghskdjfghkjsdfg

I know why asmon slammed his head on his desk now

[violet holly]

learn the mechanics

[cloud hinge]

I know them I just keep getting caught by one of the 300 things going on

[violet holly]

ah

so dont get caught then

ez

[cloud hinge]

I wish

[violet holly]

like practice one thing at a time

during krull practice avoiding the infernals frontals

practice insta mf the eyes

dodging the beams etc

kick on krull

start moving as he starts the jump thing

etc

[azure ibex]

Mage tower was designed to be a test of game sense, not a turbo pushover. Just practice and you'll get it in due time

[cloud hinge]

Well practicing it is hard when I only get there 1 in 20 pulls

[novel fern]

are they calling for bear nerfs

[cloud hinge]

and ive spent like 50k on this fight

[violet holly]

first guy is easy just need to not let the shit stack infinitely

[novel fern]

[rustic kestrel]

how have you spent 50k

what could you possibly be buying

[violet holly]

some random ass consumable from some list

[lusty forum]

100 drums :^)

[novel fern]

make sure u buy the knothide enchant for gloves +stamina

[lusty forum]

200* drums

[violet holly]

for buffs actually

[cloud hinge]

some 6000 gold consumable

Not really sure how much 25 main stat helps but

[rustic kestrel]

id stop doing that

and just practice the fight

the consumables arent gonna carry you through it

[red knoll]

@copper hornet

[copper hornet]

Heck yea another bear 20 screenie has hit the chat

[cloud hinge]

I mean ive done this like 100 times at least. Its just not getting golemned off the edge

[violet holly]

make sure u understand what each mob do and how you have to counter it

and yeah dont use consumables if you are dying in p1

or like is confident you know how to do everything and is not getting randomly killed by something you dont expect

[red knoll]

wdt are these raid comps

[violet holly]

paladin meta

[zealous nacelle]

what is this eyes thing

i want it gone

[covert valley]

hi just heard from some guildies that druid is op af with last patch in m+ is that right?^^

[red knoll]

you're like a week late bruv

find another fotm

[covert valley]

?

[violet holly]

yes after the recent buffs bear stocks went up

[red knoll]

we gunna get nerfed

[trim plaza]

gore proc

[violet holly]

because it allowed a stupid strong build to be viable

[zealous nacelle]

how to get rid of, it's constantly up.

[red knoll]

then use mangle lmao

[zealous nacelle]

in bear lol

[red knoll]

use mangle

[violet holly]

and because of that we are expecting nerfs at some point

[red knoll]

????

[zealous nacelle]

we're not using mangle tho tf.

[red knoll]

....

is bro ragebaiting

[zealous nacelle]

was literally told not to use it with this new build

[red knoll]

who told u that

[zealous nacelle]

all the guides lol

[quaint pond]

it's spell alert opacity or something in options

[violet holly]

change spell alert opacity to 0 if you dont want to see it

and you should press mangle

[red knoll]

no guide should be telling you to not mangle when you have a gore proc

tf

[violet holly]

but is probably doing low enough keys that it doesn't matter anyway

[zealous nacelle]

sike

doing 15s

[violet holly]

but if you want to play better then you should

[zealous nacelle]

idk swear everone said waste of a gcd now

[mortal perch]

I ve seen the log of it

[red knoll]

anyone saying that is trolling

[mortal perch]

All razeless apexless

[violet holly]

its not a waste of a gcd, they are wrong

[zealous nacelle]

its back on my bar now lol

[violet holly]

even in a 15

[red knoll]

literally generates so much rage

like what

[trim plaza]

pls tag crazy again

[violet holly]

you can be pressing maul even

dont need to spend all rage on ironfur

[red knoll]

@copper hornet

[green roost]

bro on big keys you literally can t tank the bosses without rage gen from mangle, you need stacks of IF

[trim plaza]

XDDD

[copper hornet]

Not quite a screenie but close enough. First time its been posted here actually

[burnt sandal]

5 guardians doing a 20 is fucking hysterical

Yikers island

[lament dock]

What are we considering big keys? Because you absolutely CAN tank a +18 boss without Mangle. Should you? No. But you can, for sure

[trim plaza]

mangle is the shit

[lament dock]

Agreed

[trim plaza]

gotta press it for feels atleast

[mortal perch]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1dC5A66Ehr/

There is your 5 bear run

[zealous nacelle]

damn was i trolling myself

wtf

lol

[violet holly]

yep

[zealous nacelle]

guys

be real

do i have a brain problem

[trim plaza]

also not pressing mangle in single target atleast is like

dum

[zealous nacelle]

I amy be dennted guys

[violet holly]

idk now that you know that you should be pressing

[mortal perch]

[violet holly]

its up to you to improve or not

[zealous nacelle]

I put it bnack n my bar lol

[trim plaza]

we have been saying for days for new bears that use mangle

[zealous nacelle]

I'm not even new, I just could have sworn the guides were saying waste of gcd in aoe

[trim plaza]

"BUT NAAH GOTTA MOONFIRE"

like cmon

[red knoll]

watch watching awoo streams does to a mf

[green roost]

idk, i feel tankier to mangle gore procs than not to

[trim plaza]

in aoe u prio moonfire if u proc galactic guardian, but i would not press it without it, better to use mangle instead expect if u really need that cdr for lunar beam

[lament dock]

I didn't say you shouldn't press it. It will absolutely make you tankier and you should slam it off CD. But you don't HAVE to, in order to live an 18.

[trim plaza]

but more mangle->more rage->more incarn

[mortal perch]

So Guardian is gonna be nerfed again actual comedy. You get better balance in ChatGPT

[violet holly]

it is what it is

[green roost]

Claude working overtime in order to get the balance right

[mortal perch]

We re looking at like 5 6 balance passes for guardian alone this season

[trim plaza]

who would have guessed we become immortal after 200% to trash

[mortal perch]

Like what are they doing

[trim plaza]

lol

[violet holly]

not the guy that did it lol

[trim plaza]

LOL

[mortal perch]

They re gonna have to cut like a third of it

Probably

[trim plaza]

200%->100% minimum

[red knoll]

did anyone check out the io scores

on the bears who did that

one was 1.7k AFTER timing a 20

lmfao

[zealous nacelle]

heard dat

[zealous nacelle]

okay, and so still not pressing maul or I am?

[violet holly]

prob an alt tho

[mortal perch]

3 fairly big bears and 2 small cubs

[trim plaza]

u can use it in single target if u want, its a bit more single target dmg

[green roost]

i guess its a feral main since it has meow in name

[red knoll]

still shows you how stupid fucking easy this spec is

[violet holly]

ah yeah, that is true

[mortal perch]

Yea 200 to 100 will prob have to happen

[novel fern]

it is the new tower

[red knoll]

I think a lot changes if they just put the thrash buffs into the apex

but they wont do that

[novel fern]

they will probs nerf arcane leech and UFR

while keeping thrash aggro and some of the damage?

[trim plaza]

that would be so stupid

[violet holly]

they could have just buffed thrash initial dmg to 100%

[red knoll]

why would they nerf arcane leech

[mortal perch]

Then what was the point of the last tuning pass when it s pretty clear too much damage was baked into apex

[trim plaza]

to nerf UF, thats straight slap to raze/ravage

[red knoll]

????

Too much burst was baked into apex

[novel fern]

because MDI bear pulls, they hate fun afaik

[trim plaza]

the thing we need is revert these baseline raze nerfs and nerf this trash buff to 100% and we chillin

[mortal perch]

When raze combined with apex doea close to half your damage we have a problem

[trim plaza]

thats better than trash doing over 60% lul

[red knoll]

????

No

[violet holly]

good thing now thrash and moonfire do 75% of our dmg then

[red knoll]

Raze should be a lot of your damage

lmao

its your spender

[mortal perch]

It s a shit spender

[red knoll]

....

Yeah it is now

[novel fern]

one of my main issues trying to play bear was having to sacrifice ironfur for raze other tanks don't have to sacrifice tankiness for damage

[red knoll]

because they nerfed it to shit

[mortal perch]

It always was

[red knoll]

okay buddy

your opinion

not the majority

[trim plaza]

warrior exists

[violet holly]

you didnt tho, raze also had defensive value

you can easily maintain ironfur and press raze

[red knoll]

Not every tank has to play the same

[lament dock]

Warrior doesnt have to choose

[red knoll]

and you dont have to sacrifice much

Warrior does

SB costs rage

[novel fern]

what is the prot war rage spender that does damage? revenge?

[trim plaza]

u can always maintain 2-3 stacks of IF and still press raze for dmg and UF shield

[red knoll]

IP costs rage

like

[trim plaza]

i mean idk how much it does dgm but same shit,

[red knoll]

wat

[lament dock]

SB is a dps increase and MT doesn't deal damage with rage spenders

And Colossus doesn't use IP except to prevent overcapping rage

[trim plaza]

like we generate so muhc rage in aoe that u can always maintain 2-3-4 stacks of IF and still keep razing, in bosses u are fine with only 1

[novel fern]

only colossus uses that a lot but that's not played now

[trim plaza]

adding to this, raze gives defensive also especially with apex

so ye

[hazy mural]

tbf, 23s done without mangle too... its just a choice on how much buttons u wanna press

[violet holly]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[trim plaza]

sadly it hits now like a wet paper because all random nerfs to it but it is what it is xd

[red knoll]

Yeah, you can time 23s as bear while being a dummy

its fine

[trim plaza]

DotC with apex slaps still tho

[hazy mural]

it is really werid I know... been going through a lot of logs tryna see the difference but there hasnt been any xD

the gain of more LB uptime been making it equal to playing around with mangle at the least

[trim plaza]

im just waiting how they are gonna fck up bear tuning next time

buff moonfire by 300%?

[left whale]

Yeah

just moonfire spam

[red knoll]

itll just be flat nerfs

[trim plaza]

or no i have better, swipe by 1000%

[red knoll]

mark my words

[hazy mural]

dw, they got a whole 2 months or so to think about it

[red knoll]

flat nerfs no nuances

[hazy mural]

surely they get it right on the 99th time?

[red knoll]

theres no way they leave this for 2 months

no fucking shot

[trim plaza]

u sure they wait that long looking this mess?

[red knoll]

after seeing 5 tanks time a 20?

no fucking way

[hazy mural]

probably, yh... if they feel bear is too op, they snip thrash... but no wholesale changes yet

[trim plaza]

they might give it 1 more week to see after tank buffs does anything happen

[violet holly]

need to wait for the wowhead post lmao

[trim plaza]

its 100% coming

[violet holly]

yeah

[red knoll]

yeah they might wait a week

but like

[novel fern]

they already saw the MDI bear pulls I'm sure

[red knoll]

theyre probably trying to figure out how to fix it

without breaking bear

[hazy mural]

yh but MDI makes a lot of specs look good

[red knoll]

but will just fucking end up nerfing everything

[hazy mural]

like 2m ele sham dam xD

[red knoll]

ele shaman is good

wtf

average hfc take

[violet holly]

mdi not really great optics because everyone is max gear etc

[trim plaza]

ele is good if u play around it

but in basic pug runs its absolute shiet

[violet holly]

and like pro players doing the stuff

[novel fern]

just pull all trash between 2nd and 3rd boss in one go on a 17 magister I think that's an outlier

[deft compass]

mdi makes aug look really good

[violet holly]

lots of practice and coordination

[novel fern]

also the last pull of skyreach

[red knoll]

yeah

[violet holly]

they already banned snapping

[hazy mural]

bet monk can do it too

[trim plaza]

tbh vdh did this for a whole expansion in mdi

[red knoll]

and devourer

Guys MDI makes Warlock look good

[novel fern]

and see how they removed 90% of VDH defensive layers in midnight

[deft compass]

tbf ele sham doesnt have the same impact without aug

[hazy mural]

and monk can do it faster too

[deft compass]

ele sham in a bubble is pretty useless cuz resto is good

[violet holly]

not as vengeful anymore

[hazy mural]

I am not a big fan of resto healers

they do fuck all in tank healing

MW is where its at

[trim plaza]

u still got my point, its not new for a tank pull half the dungeon in mdi

[deft compass]

such a weird state for melee comps when enh isnt good

[trim plaza]

atal dazar, prot warriors did that dungeon in 2 pulls

[novel fern]

I thought they used to be on lower difficulties relatively but I didn't watch any in dragonflight. I did watch a couple in TWW and they made them run super low keys in MDI for some reason

[willow moss]

Ive not seen a good argument in the periods I've looked tonight what's gonna boil people's blood tonight 😞

[hazy mural]

think its relative

season is so easy they need to up the key lvl to have chances of wipes

[trim plaza]

y

[hazy mural]

if no chances of wipes, would be soooo boring

just whomever made best route wins...

[novel fern]

I remember seeing an 11 city of threads I think in MDI, that was boring

[hazy mural]

and in that whomever does most damage wins

never who is more consistent

[trim plaza]

city just didnt work for mdi, not at all

[hazy mural]

title was 17s for that season iirc

[deft compass]

mdi is best when theres a lot of risk v reward gameplay for crazy routes vs standard play and clean

[hazy mural]

u got to +12 and got ur ass kicked back down xD

[deft compass]

well yes but first season of tww was crazy difficult key level wish

wise

[novel fern]

kira on protwar still managed to chain die

[trim plaza]

THE worst tank season

period

[deft compass]

still have nightmares of that first boss man

yeah it was awful

grim batol was a nightmare

cot was

[hazy mural]

overcorrected for the DF crimes of VDH

[trim plaza]

"we nerf tanks but smooth dmg taken" my asss

[deft compass]

literally tank buster season

so boring

[novel fern]

in tww season 1 I tried a couple 12s, got oneshot by anima slash, and quietly went prot war to just spell reflect it and spell block it

[hazy mural]

the mists maze was so fun to watch as a healer xD

[deft compass]

guardian felt so good until u got past 10

felt like such a wall

[trim plaza]

and the funny part is they stated in tww start that they only nerf self heals cause they want healers to have more role in dungeons->proceeds to nerf all tank defensives and mitigation, ggs

[hazy mural]

oh and also we made 12s crazy hard

ENJOY!

[deft compass]

soothe value in grim batol was awesome though

[hazy mural]

I liked it tbh... was way too much, but u got good quick if u learned to understand what killed u

[trim plaza]

grim batol

[novel fern]

just heal the dps that's out of defensives and gets the bleed into ball explosion in Seat

[trim plaza]

absolute nightmare

[hazy mural]

havnt felt like that a lot since but SR on a higher key making me feel same vibes

[deft compass]

season 2 tww was def toned down but it still had some difficulties

tbh i dpsed that season so it was really easy for me

[trim plaza]

ye in SR its fun to pull 3 mobs, THREE MOBS and almost instantly explode

[deft compass]

i miss cinderbrew hope they bring it back

[novel fern]

fr skyreach bleeds and academy battleaxes and little bird bleeds made me rediscover kiting

[trim plaza]

if Priory comes back ill take a season off

[novel fern]

now if only I could kite the Seat champion charges

[deft compass]

skyreach is def my mental block key

seat gives me legion nightmares too sometimes...

iykyk

[trim plaza]

everything else is fine, but i cant stand skyreach

everytime that key starts, i want it to be over

[deft compass]

i will say

doing the mdi first pull is fun

[oblique badge]

What level of key?

[deft compass]

was practicing it with guildies on a 17

were almost able to get it down

[outer cave]

https://youtu.be/rmLocis9tJ0?si=onCcAsNKJN1lj_o1 what in the fck is this

[violet holly]

oh youtube video is there

wowhead post is close

[brazen tinsel]

why are people pretending like 5 tank stuff is new

idgi

[deft compass]

guardian is the new blood dk

[novel fern]

every time in skyreach my premade healer starts typing in chat about the upcoming boss mechanics while I'm fighting for life, it's a cursed dungeon

[outer cave]

But timing a 20 is unheard of

[hazy mural]

whats worse is u cant kite forever... honestly I might start begging for augs in that key... need those ccs so bad

[outer cave]

With 5 tanks

[oblique badge]

Or pal

Same shit

All times, nothing new

[hazy mural]

they do that in every 20 and gg they are title range xD

[deft compass]

that would be epic

[hazy mural]

no other 5 tank has ever done title range keys

[novel fern]

it might have to do something with overall dps

[deft compass]

yeah its obnoxious

[novel fern]

and the nonexistent target cap

[trim plaza]

i mean if u can pull half the dungeon, u have all the time fight with bosses

[hazy mural]

I mean everything that makes that dungeon dangerous is negated by bears

[deft compass]

season 2 guardian bout to be generationally bad

[outer cave]

Cant wait for the 5x +23 bear key. Wonder if blizz will keep putting their head on the sand once that comes out

[hazy mural]

poisons, magic dot, random backstabs etc

[trim plaza]

thankfully i have 3 other tanks ready XD

[hazy mural]

well I can play bear brew and prot pala without throwing up

as long as they are fun

VDH and BDK never getting touched

[deft compass]

i only have warrior ready so hopefully its good

[trim plaza]

my beloved bdk ::(

[novel fern]

master of harmony is super fun, I would enjoy going back if bear gets put to hibernation again

[hazy mural]

how I feel about SR is how blood would play

nty xD

[deft compass]

season 3 war within master of harmony...

take me back.

[trim plaza]

just ams the dawn attack->free

[hazy mural]

1st pull AA... id die from a heartattack

[trim plaza]

ill take it fine +18 with blood, 400k hps

didnt even lose purgatory, was funny as f

atleast it got good buffs

[hazy mural]

my heart isnt what it used to be tho... I legit cant play BDK whilst its very much yoyo

even if u know ur fine

[trim plaza]

its fun xd

[novel fern]

I would trade half thrash damage for thorns of iron

[unborn dock]

It's stupid that blood can t negate the vile bite with ams ...

idk if maybe he can parry it

[trim plaza]

cause its not magic

bruh

[hazy mural]

bleed

[deft compass]

no dude we don’t want thorns back

[trim plaza]

but u can immune the poisons in first boss of AA with ams

[novel fern]

turtle build should be a right

[trim plaza]

but tbh blood is also knows being the best tank against bleed dmg

[unborn dock]

It is a right, but it shouldnt do the same damage as raze builds

[trim plaza]

dont, Fotm rollers will attack u

[novel fern]

it never has, it was just comfy but it did also break my mouse side button from too many Ironfur spams

[deft compass]

i would like to see them lean more into bleeds. i like bleeds.

[hazy mural]

Bear is just fucked, communitywise

its very polarized in how ppl wanna play

[deft compass]

yeah

[unborn dock]

It is doing more damage atm, i get beaten by 3 buttons press guardians while i play raze in ec.

[trim plaza]

yep

[novel fern]

I loved how they changed bleeds to ignore armor and didn't care that it affects each tank in a different amount

[trim plaza]

funtimes

[deft compass]

i think dotc is so fun

too bad its only gotten nerfed and nerfed

rightfully so

[trim plaza]

yep, but thats blood niche been always, its been godtier against magic dots and bleed dmg

[deft compass]

ravage awesome button

amazing sound

[trim plaza]

we are gonna get hammer->brew untouched->other tanks buffed->we are back to Ftier, go next

[merry quest]

they've tried to give us the hammer for one thing or another a total of 4-5 times this season

[outer cave]

Blizz hotfix "guadian agility increased by 500% for each guardian in party"

[merry quest]

we'll see if they're even remotely succesful next time

[lusty forum]

I think they give uo until at least .7

[lament blade]

do we mangle and maul in st?

[outer cave]

Can't wait for world first keys to be 5x guardians

[lusty forum]

Definitely not happening lol

[outer cave]

5x guardians already timed a 20 only 3 levels off

[novel fern]

with 30 seconds to spare atm

[lusty forum]

That 20 was barely (bearly lol) timed, and they had resi for it

[outer cave]

For the memes I want it at least 1x before blizz nerfs (if they ever decide to)

[lusty forum]

Any dungeon with damage amp bosses you can forget too i think

[outer cave]

You say that but we will see. Guardian is legit immortal and with its high skill floor i can see it

[lusty forum]

High skill floor is not how i would describe this iteration of guardian 😛

And its the dps loss thats the problem

The dps you gain from having a tank over a healer is massively outweighed from losing the 3 dps

[outer cave]

Lunar beam thrash invarn thrash reset thrash moonfire moonfire thrash moonfire moonfire thrash. Mouse wheel rotation

[lusty forum]

Then you nean low skill floor right

As in, easy to learn

High skill floor means hard to learn the basics of

[novel fern]

5 bears is a classic

[outer cave]

Hmm but isnt the "floor" (worst thing can do) very high?

5 bears world first keys please. Blizz still won't do any tuning for another 3 months bc they have outsourced tuning to AI

[lusty forum]

Low skill floor means it's very easy to play at a decent level

[copper hornet]

Another has hit the channel

Wait thats a 15 nvm

Low keys smh

[novel fern]

did you know there is a whole discord server about 5 bear runs

[outer cave]

Oh yes. Then its a low skill floor

[lusty forum]

Also from shadowlands lol

[outer cave]

A 15 in sl is like a 10 now

[copper hornet]

true...

[novel fern]

discord CCNYweYk

the official 5 bear discord

[copper hornet]

I did a 4 healer 15

[lusty forum]

Then i agree, but bear, as op as it is, still doesn't do dps damage

[copper hornet]

In sl

bear-rdruid-rsham-mw-hpriest

[lusty forum]

Good dps damage*

[outer cave]

Dont need massive dps if nobody can die and tou can pull the entire dungeons.. or do multiple bosses at the same time

[copper hornet]

Yea you can just do way "riskier" pulls to make up the time

[novel fern]

still valuable to at least do good dps damage on certain pulls

[outer cave]

Lol 2 bears on 1 one and 3 on another perfectly balanced

[lusty forum]

Yeah but you're still limited by cc and interrupts

You obly have roar/typhoon kick, which are gonna DR fast

[copper hornet]

Are you though

[novel fern]

you can let all casts through no tank is dying to a bolt

only in halls of atonement we did

[copper hornet]

Yea these are tanks not dps

[outer cave]

Omg this screenshot

[copper hornet]

dmg check is at least a concern eventually probably

[lusty forum]

It'd be very funny to be proven wrong, but I'm pretty sure no world first 5 bears keys are happening this season

[novel fern]

yes they don't do enough damage for that

[copper hornet]

Might get nerfed before they get the chance

[lusty forum]

You cant outpull the ST needed on bosses for example

[outer cave]

Do you think it'll get nerfed?

[novel fern]

in fellowship they did a speedrun of a dungeon with 2 tanks 2 healers by splitting up

[sturdy cairn]

any ideas its bug or what? dream guide doesnt proc at all

[copper hornet]

That 20 they timed with plenty of time to spare

[lusty forum]

38sec?

[sturdy cairn]

or i can see healing from dream guide only at wc logs?

[lusty forum]

That's not even 1 key level

[copper hornet]

And 3 deaths yes

[novel fern]

1.38 million

[copper hornet]

One of them was like 1500io

[sturdy cairn]

oh

not much

[outer cave]

Why did blizz not include guardian changed in the tuning they announced 3 days ago

[lusty forum]

Average ilvl was 286 or something though lol

[trim plaza]

i mean looking at this video, pulling half the dungeon buys ALOT of time in bosses

[lusty forum]

Not exactly some random noob joining

[novel fern]

they're only buffing non-meta this time

[copper hornet]

They can absolutely find way more damage with better players and more practice

[outer cave]

So at least another 3 weeks of bear as it is now?

[rustic kestrel]

what does dream guide say it casts

[olive compass]

what are the best dungeons to bonus roll as guardian

cant decide

[lament blade]

nexus ig

[copper hornet]

A 20 is only 2-3key levels behind on a gimmick run

[trim plaza]

new char?

[lusty forum]

Sure, but you realise how mucb extra boss health 3 key levels is right, that was a 20, current max is 23

[olive compass]

i mean no but this character hasnt been touched since week 1 so he has everything avalable

[trim plaza]

spire

100%

[copper hornet]

Yes I'm aware of how key scaling works

[outer cave]

Rumor has it that those bear are going for wf dungeon keys

[trim plaza]

weapon, few good trinkets and tier slots

[lusty forum]

Gimmick run they tried 13 times over 5 hours though

[copper hornet]

so 1 day?

[olive compass]

im hesitating between spire and nxp

[copper hornet]

Less than a day for a lot of world first keyers

[trim plaza]

spire more worth, nexus only has rings

[outer cave]

Blizz would have to nerf it if 5 bears did top keys?

[olive compass]

has hands/chest/feet too

only "bad" item is cloak no

[lusty forum]

Not trying to be snotty, I just don't think they'll have the ST for 23s, especially on bosses like lura with damage amps

I phrased poorly

[outer cave]

Can MDI do 5 bears?

[merry quest]

its a fresh alt?

[copper hornet]

Yes im sure you dont

[rustic kestrel]

if only there was a way for bear to talent into some sort of really strong bursty ability

[trim plaza]

spire still 100%

[olive compass]

not touched since week 1

[rustic kestrel]

that excels on damage amps

[merry quest]

then spire is 100% the better option

weapon, two solid trinkets, 3 tier pieces

[trim plaza]

XDD

[olive compass]

n ot touched since i rerolled to brew kek

[merry quest]

exhaust the loot pool, there is nothing bad there at all and it gives you the most potent slots

[outer cave]

Why need tier pieces as moon bear?

[merry quest]

high stat budget

[lusty forum]

But then you don't have the big thrash aoe needed for the trash i assume

[outer cave]

my bear only 87 but once it gets up there I'll do ws

[trim plaza]

can we not forget that 200% buff exists for DotC too

[novel fern]

the biggest items are chest, legs, helmet, shoulders and gloves and they happen to also be the slots that can be tier sets so we just call them tier pieces even if they're not

[copper hornet]

Can't you literally zone out and back in for lura

[olive compass]

whats the ideal non-tier item

[novel fern]

yes someone said that on YouTube and suggested porting to housing and back

[copper hornet]

Just dreamwalk

Dont need to port to house

[lusty forum]

Even if all this tech works, it's not gonna be close to unholy dk or devourer burst with an aug

[left whale]

I bet 2 of the bears can just play DotC and be fine in AoE and have more st for the bosses

[lusty forum]

Bjt yeah, we'll see soon enough

[novel fern]

yes it wasn't a bear specific video

[copper hornet]

Keep in mind 5 bear doesnt have a healer to tank group dps

Doesn't need to be 1bear=1dps

[novel fern]

so EC is the tank bear and DotC is the DPS bear

[left whale]

yeah

[lusty forum]

If it's as viable as you say we'll see very soon i imagine

[trim plaza]

Well now the 5x bear spire is a wowhead new too, saw it coming lol

[copper hornet]

main concern is it just getting nerfed before it happens

[left whale]

discord full of bears. I'm sure 5 peaple can get it done lol

[lusty forum]

If it was a viable comp, you'd see it done by tonorrow lol

[mossy sundial]

so on algethar i died through barskin and frenzied on the bridge pack is there anyway to outheal spell bound weapons ?

they do like 250k + hits

[copper hornet]

nah, m+ meta is notoriously slow

[novel fern]

tanks are shy it's rare to get 5 in one group

[copper hornet]

People gotta gear up bears too since brm has been meta tank this season

[brazen tinsel]

half the top keys are already bear

[novel fern]

you can kite a bit if you run out of defensives

[versed jacinth]

which weapon should we target in M+? is it the AA one?

[merry quest]

gonna be fun when bears gutted in .7 and everyone has to flock to the next new spec

[mossy sundial]

@novel fern i died in defensives though

the pack contains 4 spellbound weapons

[copper hornet]

Yea its only a matter of time

[mossy sundial]

and im fresh out of incarn due to bird

[novel oar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/4WSeK3kBbS

[merry quest]

dont get my hopes up

[novel oar]

I mean 5 bears is the best comp

[mossy sundial]

theyll be doing 6 minute boss fights

[novel fern]

barkskin is not everything, there's also moonfire on everyone, 5 stacks of Thrash, Ironfur stacks, lunar beam.. the less of those you have the more you can consider using survival instincts or kiting

it is one of the few super deadly pulls

[novel fern]

heh I haven't noticed the post text before

[quiet kite]

Yo, is there a cheat sheet for gems / enchants / what to bonus roll?

[lament blade]

do we mangle and maul in ST in m+

[uneven flame]

yes

[lament blade]

so on how many targets we swap to only moonfire and thrash

[uneven flame]

u prob want some mangle in AOE still

but i guess in theory u can do the 2 button stuff and just always do that

i dont think its too bad of a DPS loss

[quiet kite]

does dungeon slice provide accurate results for bear?

[lament blade]

wowhead says it too but seen people saying its only thrash and moonfire

[lament blade]

dungeon slice works only for rogues iirc

[uneven flame]

yeah... you can do only thrash + mf

dungeon slice is iffy for almost any class

[quiet kite]

for ele i know ppl landed on doing both a 1 tar 5 min and 5 tar 5 min

[uneven flame]

most people sim Patchwerk or whatever

[quiet kite]

what do i sim for my bear

[uneven flame]

or actual m+ routes

[violet holly]

same as this should be fine

[quiet kite]

ty

[lament blade]

just sim st

[quiet kite]

dude thats what im trying to do

[uneven flame]

if something is +dmg in ST its gonna be +dmg in AOE

oh then sim patchwek

5 minutes

[lament blade]

huh

then why youre here

[quiet kite]

dw about it 🙂

[lament blade]

i can also maul thats not a problem jsut want to know whats optimal

*mangle

ig we never maul in multitarget since were not specced into raze

[uneven flame]

gonna be honest and say i dont even know

im DOTC pilled

i cba playing nopex

[quiet kite]

if you dont have raze tallented dont maul

iirc

[glacial yarrow]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/5-guardian-druids-timed-a-20-windrunner-spire-midnight-season-1-381577?utm_source=discord-webhook

Gg bears

[uneven flame]

anyone know how to set up a better way to track BL?

i have ultrawide monitor so haivng all my buffs on the top-right or left corner of my screen makes it not very easy to see lol

[sleek lintel]

Meh, the all tank keys in SL were better lol

And no one should be shocked an all tank key is only 1-2 key levels behind

[glacial yarrow]

Well they better not kill bear cause i just hit resil 17s and my monk just has resil 16s

Ill be so butthurt

[sleek lintel]

If you fotm reroll that's the gamble you take if all of a sudden prot warrior is best on Tuesday

[olive compass]

is guardian in m+ really just thrash + if and sometimes mf

[hazy mural]

[glacial yarrow]

No its thrash on cd and moonfore nonstop

Lunarbeam on cd and all rage goes to iron fur

I just have a monk and brew at same ilvl and both with myth gaze im not swapping off those two lol

But I di want the 1 percent mount

[outer cave]

Estimated timeline on bear nerfs?

[sleek lintel]

PopTop is by far my least favorite news writer at wowhead right now though lol.

Its clear he hasn't paid attention to Retail in years

[forest flume]

Nice wowhead article about bears, hopefully that sends the nerf bat our way

[noble ledge]

Earliest they slide in quick hotfix next reset

Latest next patch

[sleek lintel]

It didn't in SL or DF that I can remember

[noble ledge]

Is my guess

[forest flume]

who cares about what happened in SL and DF, thats 5 years ago

things have changed

[sleek lintel]

Not that much

[forest flume]

well, for one we have had completely new talent trees

[sleek lintel]

And the background is similar that the roadblock to keys is survival and not damage just like SL

[forest flume]

and they have been reacting faster to class balance, still too slow depending on who you ask ofc

let me cope in peace that they are gutting thrash damage tonight ty

[sleek lintel]

And +20 isn't a world record key for WRS anyways even

[outer cave]

doing 5 bears 3 key levels below the very top key levels should = automatic nerf imo

[forest flume]

well there's context

they have tried the key 13 times I think, so it was not just a walk in the park

[worldly turtle]

maybe someone knows but is it worth keeping up Iron fur for the 5% mastery over pressing raze I assume so right in raids for Lu'ra mythic more so

[forest flume]

But if it can anger healers who still play the "I'm playing the decoration role!" card that'll help

[sleek lintel]

So tanks need nerfs every season? Haha

[forest flume]

No, but we never had a 2 button tank doing what bear is doing right now

[outer cave]

dont think in any reason in tww any tanks did 5x 3 keys below top

bears are the most OP tank in M+ (given their rotation) ever imo

[sleek lintel]

SL was probably more OP

[forest flume]

???

[red knoll]

theyre not more op than df right

vdh?

[forest flume]

SL venthyr being broken, xymox trinket being broken, and jailer mace being broken

sure

[trim sundial]

how should i be pressing sundering roar? feel like without incarn im never getting 10 stacks, is that normal?

[noble ledge]

Blizzard will do what they see fit, but I feel like looking at the Design of multiple talents and our tierset, I am confident this is unintended gameplay loop in Blizzards eyes, especially for top performing tank on a +23 key

[olive compass]

no mangle ?

[forest flume]

You'll need to be extremely lucky to reach 10 stacks outside incarn (even inside it..), I wouldn't worry about that part. For me I just use it as a trash-cd reset button and nothing more, so I can do thrash->sr->thrash->incarn->thrash (incarn resets thrash cd as well)

[sleek lintel]

It's not even the first time we've been thrash maniacs and ursoc's being bonkers but who knows. The lack of apex probably bothers them more than thrash but they haven't fixed MW and they knew in beta that MW wasn't using apex

[noble ledge]

They even tried to address us not using our Apex, after we already started to use it

[lament blade]

were using hotw only on bosses right

[noble ledge]

I feel like MW is just bit more forgotten this season

[lament blade]

and we just hotw in cat and straight back to bear or spend the combo points or w/e?

[sleek lintel]

The bite is nothing really

[mortal wharf]

tuesday

was fun while it lasted

[quiet radish]

Can’t wait to see how bad the nerfs will be

[odd mica]

https://tenor.com/view/curbstomp-gif-698109369917669339

[mortal wharf]

thrash will be hit for sure

[odd mica]

blizard wondering why bear wont die

[mortal wharf]

and the elune healing

[odd mica]

for the 10th time nerfing them by 20%

[noble ledge]

I am still always happy when I see people enjoy something ofcourse
So our current state is not only negative in my mind as I like seeing people have fun in a game, that's after all what it is for

[lusty forum]

So many doomers, i bet no changes till .7

[mortal wharf]

feel free to screenshot me

[primal wedge]

well they like to make quick changes when any fun is detected

[lusty forum]

You realise tuesday is tomorrow

[mortal wharf]

yep

gonna come along with the other tank tunining

tuning*

[lusty forum]

You think unannounced changes, or super late?

[forest flume]

i keep thinking at 9:43 PM est today

[sleek lintel]

I mean I guess they could slap a 3% aura nerf, because buffing raze and single target reintroduces the raid issues

[forest flume]

How does buffing raze bring back the raid issues

[lusty forum]

Blizz goes for lowest total fun possible, and rn there's 5 tank specs having 0 fun lol

[forest flume]

the issue was with the apex and ravage, not raze

[mortal wharf]

naw they clearly overshot the thrash buff so they will just lower that

[tender frost]

spare keys sir

[mortal wharf]

along with the healing i think

[tender frost]

spare some keys sir

[olive compass]

where can i find the m+ rotation

[sleek lintel]

I doubt it'll be a full revert or even a big nerf. They'll slap the back of the hand a tad to shut people up

[tender frost]

i know you

[sleek lintel]

Because people were whining just as much about Brew til Friday lol

[tender frost]

you're the european guy from my hall of fame nullaeus kill

[olive compass]

maybe

[mortal wharf]

brews didnt time a 20 though

[tender frost]

ur chillin

[olive compass]

what

i mean yes i am but

[mortal wharf]

youd need like 10 of them

[olive compass]

are you the guy i helped

[tender frost]

ya

[olive compass]

oh nice

[tender frost]

small world

[olive compass]

tank world

[tender frost]

tank world

[sleek lintel]

I forget what the highest all tank key in SL was in s2/3 but 5 bears in DoS was a sight to see.

[primal scarab]

I feel like they probably could tho

[midnight flint]

Lunar Calling has been redesigned: Thrash, Mangle and Maul now deal Arcane Damage ( 12% Thrash mod removed)

Lunation now reduces Lunar beam CD by 2sec every time you deal arcane damage, down from 3.

That would probably set them up for an aura nerf should the issues still persist.

[mortal wharf]

be back tomorrow when things are on fire lol

[tender frost]

I just need every other tank to do a 20 with 5 of themselves in time

Except blood

Then blood will get to be good for a week

Until it goes back to the grave

[sleek lintel]

Blood is getting some juicy buffs already

[midnight flint]

You could probably do 20s with a blood dk and 4 devourers imo and be faster.

[lament blade]

whats our tier offpiece

[lusty forum]

They're not as big as they look 🙁

[sleek lintel]

I mean the anger is "dps are useless" so a healerless key wouldn't bother them

[lusty forum]

Healerless keys got a bunch of hybrid abilities nerf and pruned over the years tbf

[forest flume]

Healers are the ones crying when they're relegated to the decorative role lmao

[midnight flint]

The game is only healthy when bad dps get dunked on by tanks.

[lusty forum]

AMEN

[tender frost]

21.05% damage taken in the last 7 seconds is healed becomes 23.15

5% parry buff during the cooldown where they already cant die but tbh its a good buff

Two double downs on the shittiest apex talent known to man that provides like zero throughput let alone agency behind it

And then a buff to the talent that everyone makes fun of because EHP :xdd:

ALL THAT BEING SAID

its BETTER than a 5% armor buff

which is nice

[next pier]

Awww man, finally was having fun on the bear again.... just grinded 600 myth crests this week.

Damn you blizz

at least the nerfs seem to be mainly ST, and a small chunk of burst dmg.

[short nest]

where is this

[errant spade]

hmmm

[olive compass]

i told you im the goat at brew

[errant spade]

guy like brew this brew this

brew this

[uneven flame]

nerfs posted somewhere?

[brazen tinsel]

No

[outer cave]

when will they be posted

[fallen robin]

🔮

[limber current]

True

[red knoll]

um

[tender frost]

Guardian
Thrash direct damage reduced by 25%.
Elune’s Favored now heals for 15% of Arcane damage dealt (was 25%).

thats it?

OK

[outer cave]

where u see this

[tender frost]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/additional-guardian-tuning-may-12-2305161#29474291

[open trail]

Oh damn

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/2305161-additional-guardian-tuning-may-12/

[tender frost]

yea

thats it

[outer cave]

"Thrash direct damage reduced by 25%." baby tuning

[open trail]

LOL

[red knoll]

lmfao

[tender frost]

bear is safe as the best tank for another month

i guess

[red knoll]

bruh

[tender frost]

blood still 7th place behind garry

[outer cave]

why did they even make patch notes with 25% LOLOLOL

[primal wedge]

damnit, I just started messing around in delves

[sleek lintel]

Are y'all shocked? Lol

[tender frost]

no

this is the usual level of incompetence

[sleek lintel]

Blizzard was never gonna gut thrash