balance

[drifting nova]

424 emus ahead

[stuck cloud]

doesnt stand how cds work

[lofty depot]

It does if u click some dropdowns

[stuck cloud]

even there is not writting how to use incar and eclipse

since incar is double eclipse i would assume its incar then eclipse

[lofty depot]

I mean there is

[stuck cloud]

until incar is back up

[lofty depot]

There's all of this shit

But the useage can differ, especially in m+

[stuck cloud]

so i can just chill and play those 2 cds how i want without overcapping

[lofty depot]

The idea is to never have 2 stacks of either CD. U don't need to press incarn instantly when it's up

[stuck cloud]

playing eclipse in a smaller pull using incar in the big pull after

gotya

[pseudo merlin]

No it very clearly does

[paper ember]

Guys leave him alone. Reading can be hard sometimes.

[round field]

shut up piss name

[paper ember]

You leave the color of my name out of this

[lucid olive]

so whats going on in the yellow name paywall channel

[paper ember]

Just the usual cool secret stuff

[lucid olive]

i take that as a no

at least the orange name hidden channel has some sort of discussion going on..

[paper ember]

Yeah the last actual message that was sent was in February. Of 2025... lol

[lucid olive]

how far you gotta scroll there to find my last message

if its 2025 its probably visible on same page..

[paper ember]

Pretty far. But not as far as you'd thing considering it was in 2024.

[lucid olive]

hell yeah

[paper ember]

I've broken the silence streak though.

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova

[drifting nova]

🥄 wadafak

[pseudo merlin]

Maybe I should go IM, this game so easy

[drifting nova]

steady now

you got banned last time

[pseudo merlin]

💀

[drifting nova]

I just got blue moon legs so theres that

[pseudo merlin]

ey gz buddy

why dont you just get ahrims

[drifting nova]

not as good (probably idk)

[paper ember]

Blue moon has same offensive stats as ahrims with str bonus as well and weighs a ton less so unless youre taking off prayer hits blue moon is better

Easier to get too

[drifting nova]

ahrims never being useful, still want dh tho

[paper ember]

Its ok, with how anti dead content the osrs community is Im sure jagex will come out with some bis t90 mage gear that requires using ahrims and blue moon to make. So ahrims will be useful again.

[pseudo merlin]

I use ahrims for bursting

[drifting nova]

like masori

[pseudo merlin]

or barraging

[drifting nova]

think we have the ahrims legs idk

wished barrows had a dup protection like with moons

getting 3 torags hammers before any veracs piece is not it

[dim radish]

Question

What makes keepers of the grove the suggested hero talent for most raid fights as boomkin?

I know paladins is EC, which makes sense with 2-3 targets constantly

But I’m curious about the other ones

[drifting nova]

most of the important damage is st

we are forever stuck with 1 council fight a tier at best now

[lofty depot]

Casting Starfire is cringe

[drifting nova]

not only is it mostly st, its also higher burst for when something does need to die fastish

[dim radish]

And that burst comes from pressing trees just before the damage needs to be done?

Like adds spawning etc

[drifting nova]

yeah, turns out 24% damage is pretty good

[copper gate]

I would give EC a try on Belo’ren, does well both in and out of egg phase

[drifting nova]

and convoke if you're convoke inclined

[copper gate]

Also does well on Chim but that boss is a meme

[drifting nova]

ec is aoe kotg is st

every other class has damage profiles like that, druid is no different

[lofty depot]

Why does EC sim better than keeper on st then

[copper gate]

T R U E

[drifting nova]

bot is drunk

and you know full well

dont trust big sim

[copper gate]

How dare you doubt the clankers

[drifting nova]

I will be a tree hater til I die

I wish ec worked on st

but it just doesnt

[lofty depot]

It works

[drifting nova]

turns out I like raid less when kotg is the played spec

[lofty depot]

It's just unfun cuz of cast time

[drifting nova]

cast time be damned it just doesnt

its a shame hero talents devolved into st/aoe

suppose its better in the long term over blizzard trying to make kotg aoe

or ec st

and just bricking it all

[lofty depot]

Well or spec vs others kinda thing

Some specs play 1 for everything so u could be that way I suppose

[drifting nova]

if only therew as a way to have an aoe solar ability

[lofty depot]

Ours have been pretty steady 1 for each

[drifting nova]

like there is an aoe lunar

[drifting nova]

mhm given the only other spec I played this tier was warrior and both warrior st is balls

sure I guess

maybe an aoe solar ability to enable m+ kotg

instead of funneling both into starfall

[hasty mirage]

starfall is solar wdym

[lucid olive]

mushroom

[drifting nova]

thats solar?

never did try it in keys

shame

[hasty mirage]

replace starfire with grow mushroom

now we're onto something

[drifting nova]

there is a world where both (and this goes for every other dps spec) to be able to do st and aoe in the same hero talent

but we all know thatl never happen so they are forced into one

if only there was an opposite to pruning

but I dont get paid to think about the game so what do I know

[paper ember]

That sounds like a balancing nightmare

[fair pasture]

what the hell is this omnium folio bullshit

bunch of uninteresting buffs

more stupid shit to farm every week

game is already way too easy

(says the 2/9 mythic person)

[lofty depot]

Little orbs u gotta pick up for stat buff

[fair pasture]

...please no

like

the quest objects are orbs

or theres orbs on ground in fight

[lofty depot]

Orbs on ground in a fight

[fair pasture]

are you fucking serious

that is honestly the worst shit ever

why does anyone think thats fun

[lofty depot]

What the helly

It's skill expression

Get the orbs do damage

[fair pasture]

i will withhold my rage for now on your behalf but

im ready to rerage owlkin frenzy 2: return of the i dont wanna noooo i dont wanna no please

[lofty depot]

Meh I'm a degenerate so I don't really mind it

[fair pasture]

it just felt like the most brainless thing to add into like

path of exile and diablo and stuff

i haaaaaated it so much there

i get what youre saying but, i feel like they coulda have done something better

what? who knows

but

we will see

[calm wave]

starting beloren prog tonight, just seeing elunes chosen popping up in top logs, worth going for it? or just stick to the trees/convoke stuff

[lucid olive]

for prog i think more single target is better

[fair pasture]

ec convoke is an option

and a good one

[lucid olive]

top log plays ec with incarn starweaver

[fair pasture]

is that top log overall or top phase 2

[lucid olive]

i think they all do about the same egg dmg tbh

dont really have a good take on which is best

[fair pasture]

true

[lucid olive]

its not like egg phase has a dmg check anymore

[fair pasture]

yeah

[lucid olive]

and you want to kill the birds in regular phase

[fair pasture]

a bunch of people i know were saying pugging m beloren is way more of an option now

dunno how true that is but

might try that

[lucid olive]

might be puggable, but wont see me trying it

that boss is beans

[fair pasture]

mythic has the aoe on the quills and

if ball hits bird its super bad?

im thinking out loud nvm

[lucid olive]

ball hitting bird is bad every difficulty

[fair pasture]

do not have a hunnid milly on me rn tho

[lucid olive]

but yeha, there are 2 quills every spawn

[fair pasture]

ah okay, so coordinating who doing which one and not overstacking cause aoe dmg real bad i guess is a thing

[lucid olive]

you do both light and dark soak on top of each other and just soak it as raid

on prog you would assign immunities and shit

[fair pasture]

it splits?

[lucid olive]

very annoying

idk what that means, but the bird soak in regular phase can be soaked as a group yeah

[fair pasture]

im talking about quills

[lucid olive]

you soak the quills that are in your color and if you're the first in the line you get a circle around you

and it does dam

so good to make the quill line as long as possible too

and give room

[fossil hemlock]

Nah, it's only on mythic it does anything

[dense steeple]

Okay but theyre specifically talking about m belo so it checks out

So the generalization that ball hitting bird bad any difficulty just implies on mythic its way worse

[fossil hemlock]

Hmm yes "bad every difficulty" is mythic specifically

[dense steeple]

Context matters

By itself no. With the rest of the conversation they were having yes

[fossil hemlock]

?

I just corrected a minor mistake

Context doesn't matter if the statement is just wrong

[lucid olive]

i didnt know

thanks

[dense steeple]

[fossil hemlock]

And that's fair

[lucid olive]

i did heroic like once

[fossil hemlock]

Bet you're part of the cool kids club that didn't do heroic l'ure before mythic

[lucid olive]

no :/

i have 4 kills actually i lied

each one a meme

[lofty depot]

[fair pasture]

why do i never get completion for emerald frenzies D :

fine ill google it

[eager raft]

I’ll be killing Lura tonight and getting aotc and ce same time

[fossil hemlock]

[lofty depot]

Surely

[fossil hemlock]

Surely it dies

[eager raft]

We had a 7% p4 on Tuesday it would be ROUGH if we don’t

[lofty depot]

354 pulls

Prey it doesn't get to 400

[eager raft]

I don’t think there’s any chance it gets to 400

It’s a lot of pulls but I think it’s average ish. High end of the average at least

[lofty depot]

Non zero chance

[eager raft]

Definitely non zero

But probably fairly close to zero

[lofty depot]

350 avg tbf

[eager raft]

Yeah that includes pre nerf kills tho

The average has presumably gone down since the nerf

[lofty depot]

It hasn't gone down much

[eager raft]

But I’m ok with our prog time. Pull count isn’t really a great metric for this fight with how common p1 wipes were early on

[lofty depot]

Well everyone has those problems

Not having to deal with 10 glaives tho is likely far better

I haven't pulled it since nerf

[eager raft]

yeah p1 feels pretty free now

[lofty depot]

But we had some diabolical glaives on kill night

[eager raft]

Still get some tough glaive formations from time to time

But a lot less common

So we’re actually on the low end of the average for prog time and high end for pull count

So we def have had more p1 wipes than most

[robust vale]

in ec m+ is astral insight better or the light of elune ?

[lofty depot]

There isn't a consensus on that

[fossil hemlock]

Can you spawn one?

[lofty depot]

No

M+ is cringe and I won't be caring

[paper ember]

Pretty much always take insight

[lofty depot]

Why

[lucid olive]

why not

[lofty depot]

Me first

[paper ember]

Insight more damage. Elune is basically there for more ap which you're already pretty capped on in M+. Not to mention its rng.

[fossil hemlock]

Did you just ignore the main reason you would pick light of elune?

[lofty depot]

Could just be more exposure uptime

Capped on asp seems sus

[fossil hemlock]

Also isn't starfall still stronger than starfire in m+, which mean more asp is better than less asp

Unless you're literally GCD capped pressing starfall and still at max asp

[lofty depot]

But yea depends on the build

[paper ember]

I mean Im not saying you can never play light lol plenty of top io players use it.

[fair pasture]

the m+ build i copied from u takes insight

[lofty depot]

I play weaver

[lofty depot]

Yes ik

[fair pasture]

sick

just makin sure

i thought u were saying astral insight is bad

[lofty depot]

U don't need more asp with your free spenders

[fair pasture]

icic

so if u played rattle ud go light of elune?

[lofty depot]

Presumably

[fair pasture]

icic

makes sensicles

[atomic mantle]

Does anyone still play convoke for single target raid? Doesn't look like it on warcraft logs but I like the feel

[ruby badger]

Yeah you can play it, it's starting to appear a lot more now that anything to pad on with incarn is dying so quick

[atomic mantle]

fair

im consistently parsing like 80, so i am looking for ways to get over the ump

hump*

and was wondering if it would be worth to swap talents to not use convoke

[ruby badger]

I think Vorasius, V&E, LBV are all still good Incarn fights

but Convoke is pretty playable for everything else

[atomic mantle]

thank you!

[ruby badger]

Vorasius is just because if you incarn and start starfalling you'll get so much add damage before anyone gets a chance to touch them rofl

[atomic mantle]

lol i never considered that i only ever thought of it as a single target nuke

but i guess you have a big opportunity to get tons of aoe on all the ads

[drifting nova]

do you not BELIEVE?

[ruby badger]

Some fights are just a meme though

[craggy sonnet]

nobody believes you

[atomic mantle]

Is starweaver pretty much always better than rattle the stars?

[ruby badger]

The 100th person on "Damage done to bosses" for imperator averzian myth did 23m dmg to the boss
The rank 1 parse on damage for that same boss did 17m

[craggy sonnet]

other than this .. that i can believe

[drifting nova]

I'd shake up jimmy and the balancing too much if that were true

[craggy sonnet]

not with convoke, i think

[ruby badger]

Incarn will give you better parses usually with good CD padding usage but in terms of actually killing bosses and doing good dam, Convoke works

Damn there are actually people playing V&E with Convoke and doing really good boss dam

[inner pilot]

for mythic salad do you do singletarget spec?

[rare grove]

Looking to OS dps, what secondary stats do boomie use

Or prio

[inner pilot]

i looked up boomkins on murlok io and there was a balance between crit/haste/matery it was like all 20%

[craggy sonnet]

can look at the suggested builds on wowhead or whats actually played on warcraftlogs

[inner pilot]

i just didnt know if people switch specs for the different bosses

[craggy sonnet]

there are per boss builds

[inner pilot]

oh ill go look i missed that

[craggy sonnet]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/druid/balance/midnight-season-1-raid-tips

[lofty depot]

u can also look at logs and see it

and yes the builds change

[craggy sonnet]

crit good, mastery good, haste decent to good, vers poop

but sim your character

[inner pilot]

THANK YOU!

[rare grove]

Trying to peice a 2nd set for my os, my bear is haste > crit > mastery > Versa

So trying to see if feral or boomie works better without changing too much

[craggy sonnet]

i just linked them

[inner pilot]

i need a mentor can someone please help me? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j1JQa8DRNCBybGwq?fight=11&type=damage-done i only missed 2 eclipse procs, what else am i missing

[snow elm]

i am lots of haste and verse because i use my bear set because no one invs me to keys as a boomie

[fair pasture]

Don't use ur trees and trinket on normal eclipse

Use them on incarn

Don't refresh moonfire after trees and trinket before incarn

Trees will cast it

[inner pilot]

thank u

[fair pasture]

Your first incarn is at 45 seconds

It should be where that first eclipse is roughly

You can eclipse while building asp for ur first incarn

But also that first eclipse you cast one spender then four thousand wrathd

You wanna spend spend spend spend spend

Not build

In eclipse

Make ASP bar big and full --> hit funny space owl button, drain ASP bar

Repeat

(by funny space owl button I mean incarn and eclipse)

Trees and trinket with incarn

Macro berserking into incarn

I didn't actually look if you did that, navigating timeline on my shitty phone screen is impossible

Proper synced up cooldowns is huge, followed by proper build and spend

You can check a top WCL log o that fight, casts, timeline, compare what they do

U got this

[inner pilot]

this is helpful thank u i didnt realize incarn was more powerful than regular eclipse

[fair pasture]

Incarn is the goat

Eclipse is lil baby incarn

Also where did u potion

[inner pilot]

they said you dont "prepot" anymore

and last week i was using the wrong pots. so i switched to the light

[dense steeple]

you pot with all your CDs yeah

[fair pasture]

Yeah I remember that discussion, you misunderstood

You don't do it before the pull no

But you pop one very early

Wit your first big incarn very soon into the fight

Trees, then trinket+potion, then incarn with berserking

So in the end u usually use 2 potions a fight

If fury of elune is taken u do it before the trees

[inner pilot]

we are progging on saladbar right now. and trying to decide if its worth dotting up everything

at least starfiring

[fair pasture]

Don't decide

Someone else has already figured this out

Check logs

Even go back like a month if u want so u have higher chance of seeing progression logs

But it depends how long stuff lives

But I haven't really looked at that fight so like maybe arctic can tell u whenever he comes around

Or one of the other owl people

[inner pilot]

yeah i gotta find a mentor and i just copy what they do 🙂

[covert coyote]

is moonkin dodging buffs because of spread add cleave pad in raid?

its like all the top logs for spread pad fights are the moonkin with a 100 parse, and 19 shitter gray parses

[fair pasture]

Moonkin doesn't need buffs idk

[normal pilot]

ya it's not shitty enough to warrant buffs

[covert coyote]

it's like at the bottom of boss damage for almost every fight - not including the specs that nobody plays

[normal pilot]

well then ti's not actually bottom

and someone has to be last. these aren't enough reasons for blizz to care

pray for accidental overtuing in 12.1 is best you can do

[fair pasture]

You've arbitrarily removed a bunch of data points from the comparison

It's the best DPS in the game not including the overpowered monitor-off specs everyone plays

[lofty depot]

kk i offically hate lura

kill times are fucked

need buyers

i held my cds thinking we were doing enough

and we didnt phase for like 20 seconds :/

[fair pasture]

[inner pilot]

i guess playing without convoke is easier rotation. but then i dont get my little break where i get to breathe

and it looks like people are using fury of elune for salad. when your wowhead link had a different build. so i guess ill try to copy this guy instead

[lofty depot]

wowhead builds arent meant to be the "giga best omega parse" build

its meant to help u as a base

[inner pilot]

im just trying to not gray parse on everyfight but i only dps twice a week so im trying to figure it out. it makes sense i was wrathing during the eclipse but sometimes it seems like it takes a long time to build the power

[lofty depot]

i could play the worse build and not gray parse

press ur buttons more

[inner pilot]

i pushed so many buttons! i only missed 2 eclispse procs i was 100% on everything else and still gray

[lofty depot]

show

[inner pilot]

but its fine i found a log im going to copy this guys rotation

this was before they helped me with incarning at wrong time https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j1JQa8DRNCBybGwq?fight=11&type=damage-done

[lofty depot]

why we pressing trinket on not cds

and yea send incarn on pull surely

[inner pilot]

yeah i make bad decisions like i said. heres the 10% wipe on salad https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j1JQa8DRNCBybGwq?fight=36&type=damage-done

[lofty depot]

shouldnt be dumping asp prior to incarn

yea idk stop doing this

ur pressing a trinket during not ur cds

[inner pilot]

okay so i need to wait

[lofty depot]

u press it with incarn

spam casting sunfire

[inner pilot]

i think i was running

[lofty depot]

press wild charge

[inner pilot]

okay

im going to try to do what this guy did https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PxFzbwtNcDm2JWRn?fight=22&type=damage-done&source=459

[lofty depot]

i would say u should just macro trinket to incarn

cuz its just objectively bad

i would suggest trying to learn the movement

and preparing to move

[stone ledge]

macro it to trees 🙂

[lofty depot]

i need to see something

but i hardly ever slam into adds

should be starfalling on 2t

[inner pilot]

so starfall a lot more

i was like #3 dps on the adds in raid

[lofty depot]

u see how he has like 48 and 48 starfall/starsurge

and u have 12 and 71 respectfully

[inner pilot]

but the guy im going to copy he only starfall the adds he never wrath them or anything

[lofty depot]

yea

dot the far big add

starfall spam and dump surge procs into boss

[inner pilot]

that will make it easier for sure

[lofty depot]

thats the part about learning the rotation and not just copying what theyre doing

[inner pilot]

i feel like i understand logically but when i am in the fight its overwhelming

i probably just need to practice on a test dummy bc i only dps during raid

[lofty depot]

or on normal/heroic

[quick plank]

[inner pilot]

Holy! It’s a Baer!

[quick plank]

It's a "didn't know it was a gif" valval!

[inner pilot]

Hahaha 🥰

[stuck cloud]

how is owl dmg profile in m+? consistent dmg or are we bursty

feel like with incar it spikes a lil up but otherwise we have consistent dmg

[elder remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/signedearth-bear-beastmode-angry-bearcharge-gif-8868622409980691086

[royal zenith]

ramp + consistent

depends on the keylvl though

but in general that's true for the higher keys

[pseudo merlin]

So you would pick bear huh...

[severe hollow]

why is BAER stealing mushroom

[quick plank]

Because of Valval

[quick plank]

BAER put back

[severe hollow]

thank you!

poor shroom family

[quick plank]

You dont say poor shroom family when BAER posts in the secret food channel

[severe hollow]

im sure those mushrooms were already dead!

[quick plank]

You dont say BAER kills an apple when BAER picks an apple

BAER didnt kill the fungus, BAER only picked its fruit

[elder remnant]

one year with pumps yesterday ofc i do

[hollow mist]

grats gamer

[pseudo merlin]

damn gz

[elder remnant]

tyty

[fresh salmon]

hello, I'm looking at the top boomy on vorasius and he uses eclipse and 2 gcds later uses incarn, can someone explain why? Isn't he wasting an eclipse here?

[raven tangle]

If he have 2 eclipse that’s fine, u will get ur eclipse after incarn back

[fresh salmon]

right so hes using eclipse to proc the free damage since it will be back after

makes sense, ty

[blissful meteor]

I have a question I'm doing mytic raiding but my Dps is way off compared to other guildies with similar item lvl and gear can someone give me some tips on how to improve my output https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vQKT2V364c8zpCxb?type=casts&fight=19&source=9

[royal zenith]

You're hardly pressing any abilities

that do damage

this is your opener

after your opener

If you don't cast, you don't do damage

you're canceling pretty much every cast on top of that

it's time to go back to the basics of caster for you

random pot-usage, probably forgot about it on pull or 2nd use

and It's good if you read a guide, either wowhead or dreamgrove.gg

[blissful meteor]

Thank you I didn't knew I canceled all those cast, the not casting after the opening is because we are running back with for the mobs. I think it's back to the drawing board for me

[pseudo merlin]

Wdym running back with for the mobs? That whole portion of the fight there's basically no movement

It's equally important as a caster to preposition and utilise instant casts to stutterstep (make small movements during GCD lockouts)

You can get to the soak without interrupting what you're doing, same for being able to hit all the adds that spawn if you're going down first

[lucid olive]

Real gamers do this between Wrath casts too when you're gcd capped

[pseudo merlin]

ye

Love wrath move casting

[lucid olive]

On Chimaerus you should cancel the knockup from the soak instantly with Wild Charge and start dotting the mobs

[pseudo merlin]

feels poggies

[lucid olive]

Most groups I think use a marker to show where the adds are getting killed

So just start insta dotting them while you're running to the marker

Then let the tank get threat from you

If a mob hits you it won't kill you and you'll have a chance to proc Owlkin Frenzy

[noble sinew]

Hi! Is there a discord for TBC balance druids?

[lucid olive]

Pinned in #classic

[silk shard]

check the #classic channel

[noble sinew]

Thank you! ❤️

[silk shard]

man... tbc balance: moonkin tanking heroic dungeons

[lucid olive]

Second channel from the top and he checked Balance first

I know we're just that cool

[silk shard]

[jade flume]

its marker for rift madness lock in bud

[pseudo merlin]

markers for where adds get killed is crazy

[silk shard]

i remember back in tbc not being able to find tanks for badge farming so i just moonkin tanked heroic botanica every day

in pos, is it better to just ST down the necrolytes even if it looks bad on meter because i'm not padding?

[pseudo merlin]

who are you calling a pos

also yes

[blissful meteor]

Stutter steps sounds like a good solution

[jade flume]

What necrolytes?

[lucid olive]

We do 3 markers

Maybe 4 with boss position

[jade flume]

marker abusers

[pseudo merlin]

the dudes that hurt

[lucid olive]

At least we did for the first few weeks, I don't really look at markers anymore either I just do the same shit every week

[pseudo merlin]

in between second and third and also entrance to cave to 4th

I think

[lucid olive]

Downstairs adds don't kill you anyway so might as well pull them and do dam

[jade flume]

Oh its the deathwhisper necrolyte that has the 0hp adds

I mean if there's more than just that mob with his homies then you should just starfall

but if its only that 1 mob then your starfall will only hit that 1 mob anyways, the dmg wont show on details since those mobs dont take dmg anyways

so no reason to starfall

I wouldnt starsurge if you have like 12 mobs pulled tho

[frail crescent]

How do you avoid wild charging in the wrong direction?

[pseudo merlin]

You have full control over the direction with your camera/mouse

[frail crescent]

Chimaerus knock-up I have never experienced it not bugging. Pressing wild charge (at least for me) moves the camera, and charges in another direction. Same for hunter disengage in my guild.

[lucid olive]

don't have your back against the edge

[pseudo merlin]

That sounds interesting

When you use human or cat form your character might rotate depending on the direction your target is facing but with moonkin form it's the same as disengage, and just like disengage your character does not rotate so neither should your camera

I can't really think of any setting that would make that happen

[lofty depot]

They do it u pull aggro cuz ur tank is slow

[lofty depot]

Put your back towards the way u want to go silly

[lucid olive]

they do because you're allergic to your barkskin bind

they don't kill me

[lofty depot]

I use bark skin on the consume silly

Tank should do his job

[pseudo merlin]

idk I just wait like 3 seconds

It's vietnam out there

[lofty depot]

Next week maybe we send like 5 people down

[lucid olive]

that sounds very not worth

[lofty depot]

Adds live longer

[lucid olive]

why would you bark the consume

[pseudo merlin]

you're still clearing chim

or did you finish prog

[lofty depot]

We finish prog silly

[pseudo merlin]

there's also nothing going on on consume??

[lucid olive]

its the one mechanic where your entire team is stacked

[pseudo merlin]

^

[lucid olive]

and everyone is sending raid CDs

[lofty depot]

Although my old guild wants me to help them

[lucid olive]

yeah better use my DR for that

american

[lofty depot]

But I don't have a mage leveled or geared

[pseudo merlin]

Ameribrain

Full of twinkies

[lofty depot]

Yea I'm dying

Heal me faster

[lucid olive]

theres also like a minute

[pseudo merlin]

bear form?

[lucid olive]

between upheaval and consume

[lofty depot]

I won't be bear forming rekills

Heal my character

Also, if I don't pr as defensive, healers can parse

I help them

Mmhm mmhm

[lucid olive]

you think healer parse depends on consume dmg

use defensives for getting dispelled or soaking upheaval

think those the only things that can kill you

[lofty depot]

I hardly get either of those mechanics

[pseudo merlin]

wtf is upheaval

[lofty depot]

Reset character id

[lucid olive]

the soak

alndust upheaval

[lofty depot]

The soak on the 2 people

[pseudo merlin]

oh

[lucid olive]

its the soak that sends you down

[jade flume]

its empowered ability on aug

it pipes

[lucid olive]

this is when i get sent down

no gcd missed

[lofty depot]

Potting after incarn

Missing some braincells

[royal zenith]

still can't beat my 7 gcd

s

in one second

[lucid olive]

sunfire moonfire boss right before going down so it doesn't run out, wild charge and tab to nearest add

then play nameplate whack-a-mole with sunfire on them

moonfire big add in case trees don't do it

then send it

[finite nymph]

does anyone know if going full myth track gear or keeping 2 crafted for the embellishments is better?

[pseudo merlin]

The sims know

[lucid olive]

2 crafted

[pseudo merlin]

but embells usually better

[obtuse robin]

shrooms ugh

[lucid olive]

yeah god forbid we press fun buttons

[lofty depot]

They don't know what's good for them

[jade flume]

is shrooms fun

[lofty depot]

Yes

[jade flume]

i never played with that shit

just auto shrooming it up

[lofty depot]

Shrooms go brr

[obtuse robin]

shrooms were fun maybe like 10 years ago

back in cata/mop

[lofty depot]

Grow up

They were fun in SL

[lucid olive]

any button that breaks the mind numbing wrath/starfire->starsurge/starfall spam

[lofty depot]

They were fun df s1

[jade flume]

altho tbf, im just playing convoke on most of the bosses

[lucid olive]

is a good button

[obtuse robin]

fair

[jade flume]

i only slam aoe on vorasius

[obtuse robin]

missed df sadly

[jade flume]

someone has to kill the adds...

[royal zenith]

try not playing at all

it's bliss

[jade flume]

im having fun tbh

[royal zenith]

yeah you're also insane

[jade flume]

real

[lucid olive]

i'll probably do a few reclears of convoke on every boss

[jade flume]

man when saladbar dies under 2:30

[lucid olive]

i had other ranged plotting to have me executed after last raid

need to tone it down

[jade flume]

convoke will go omega giga

you get your 3rd convoke on dmg amp

[lofty depot]

Tell them to pay u

[jade flume]

with trinket and shit

its craziness

i think i went up to like 170k dps on it or sth

[lofty depot]

That's I what I said... Anyone want to parse pay me 50k

[jade flume]

but fell off over next 1min+

[lucid olive]

they're still new to Echoes, they don't know that i am saving us all from the clutches of the enhance shaman

[lofty depot]

Idk, locks and DHs "don't care" but still snipe my shit

Fuggn rats

[jade flume]

dhs get natty lineups on adds everytime somehow

[lofty depot]

U can do some cringe shit with ur cds

[lucid olive]

i think the build i played on vaelgor & ezzorak maybe a bit overboard on the padding though

[lofty depot]

I stopped using mushroom cuz we don't grip

[lucid olive]

was kinda curious how much dmg Meteorites would do if you're in talents where you perma Starfall

it did little less than 5%

on boss dmg

[lofty depot]

Mmhm

[lucid olive]

[lofty depot]

I fixed belo and lura parses at least

[jade flume]

ive been pugging hc paladins on my priest to practice

its full shamble that boss everytime

[lofty depot]

Yea that boss yucky

We wiped our p1 cuz we didn't kill sen fast enough

Then the next pull were like 20 seconds faster

I was trying to hold incarn pot for 5m but only 2 bosses alive

[silk shard]

yeah makes sense. just trying to think of ways to mitigate missed kicks on the aoe that his lackies cast

[jade flume]

Not really up to you tbh, people just have to kick

even aug can solo kick that so its not really hard to not make it go through

but obviously pugs are not coordinated so it might happens sometimes

just use your ccs if its going through, not much else you can do

i wouldnt be starsurging 1 mob during big pulls though

[fresh salmon]

What's up with dungeon slice for boomy guys?

[silk shard]

boomie sim 1t5m

[lucid olive]

never been usable

dungeonslice always been bad for moonkin

[fresh salmon]

how come it's legit on rogue but not on boomy?

[lucid olive]

different APLs, damage profiles and simc module implementations

[craggy sonnet]

trying to dodge the stellar amp whack-a-mole

[lucid olive]

there's also no guarantee it's accurate for other specs either

[fresh salmon]

so patchwerk and latest is the way to go?

[lucid olive]

either that or make a dungeonroute and sim that

[fresh salmon]

here

[lucid olive]

read the balance thread in #1463264793854083204

theres an FAQ in there

[lucid olive]

this should always be latest

no matter what

regardless of what you're tryna sim

[fresh salmon]

yep I always have it on latest, just checking. Maybe boomy wants weekly or whatever

[lucid olive]

you can change back to nightly or weekly if you ever experience the sim doing something massively wrong

regardless of spec

but having it on latest should always be the standard

[fresh salmon]

aight

cheers

[lofty depot]

It's legit only on rogue

There's like 3 specs that use it, just cuz they use it doesn't mean the 30 others do

[pseudo merlin]

arctic

What do I do with these

[round field]

give them to me

[pseudo merlin]

is there no alternative use?

cant I get like 50g for them

[lucid olive]

I've been considering starting to gear my shadow

ravec convince me

[drifting nova]

Priest bad

Play arms

[lucid olive]

my warr still 80

cba leveling

i only rly have 4 classes at 90

druid, dh, priest and warlock

[drifting nova]

Worst levelling experience in a while this space

[lucid olive]

idk it wasn't that bad

just didn't have the time to spend when expac came out that i usually have

also leveled 3 druids

so not that bad

[drifting nova]

The real crime has slowly been netfing world quests since like df

[pseudo merlin]

its fun to play and extremely mediocre at everything

[lofty depot]

No clue

[drifting nova]

Dungeon span is dead in the water

[pseudo merlin]

like aggressively mediocre

[lofty depot]

My old guild lost their mage last night..... I don't have a mage leveled

Maybe I level mage this weekend, gonna have negative gear tho :/

[drifting nova]

ATP idk why world quests exist

[lofty depot]

12 rerolls lot of gear

[fresh salmon]

for real? I come from classic and I find leveling so fast on retail. Was it even faster in tww/dragonflight?

[drifting nova]

Yes

And less cringe

[fresh salmon]

damn

[pseudo merlin]

he said worst experience

not slow or fast

[fresh salmon]

usually means the same thing

[drifting nova]

It’s fine first char

[lofty depot]

We don't play retail for leveling

Leveling is cringe

[pseudo merlin]

really usually doesn't

[drifting nova]

But you stent doing camping on alts

[lofty depot]

Grow up

[drifting nova]

Just let me dungeon span in peace

[lucid olive]

real

[pseudo merlin]

Vanilla leveling good

[drifting nova]

I levelled my pal in df only gathering herbs

[lucid olive]

i know they're buffing some XP sources next patch

[fresh salmon]

nice

[pseudo merlin]

im in a mythic chim guaranteed 1 shot group

[drifting nova]

Herb gathering was chill and not terrible

[pseudo merlin]

anyone wanna place bets on how many wipes it will take

[drifting nova]

You’ll get kicked

[pseudo merlin]

?`?????

[drifting nova]

Overall too much of the levellingh is forced into something you only do once

[lucid olive]

INV EXP ONLY LINK ACHIV

CHECKING LOGS

[pseudo merlin]

real

'NO RUSSIANS

[drifting nova]

Some of the dumbest people I’ve seen have had mythic bosses

Whether it’s ego or what idk

[pseudo merlin]

That's not a complete sentence sir

[lucid olive]

NO SANGUINO NO HYJAL NO POZZODELETERNITA CHECKING LOGS FAILERS=KICKED

[drifting nova]

They have and do wipe heroic so often

[lucid olive]

welcome to europe

[drifting nova]

No kazzak

[pseudo merlin]

this is actually true and real and based

definitely never invite pozzodeldepleto

[drifting nova]

My personal one was no Germans the last week I played

[pseudo merlin]

I know, I live here

[lucid olive]

@jolly delta

[pseudo merlin]

@jolly delta

[drifting nova]

Specifically black hand

[lofty depot]

What about no kazzakstans?

[pseudo merlin]

kazzak is fine idk

[drifting nova]

Guaranteed dog

[lucid olive]

yeah kazzak is fine

[drifting nova]

But you can’t avoid

As there are too many

[lucid olive]

its the biggest populated server so people think kazzak is bad

but its just overrepresented

[drifting nova]

It is

[pseudo merlin]

ye

Oh Russia bombed Romania

[drifting nova]

The dog dh they rolled on my heroic brace in mana

[pseudo merlin]

things about to get heated

[drifting nova]

When he had crafted

[pseudo merlin]

WW3 inc

[lucid olive]

the worst servers are mostly always the specific language ones for some reason

not as much german servers tho

[drifting nova]

Good players went to kazzak then the dogs followed thinking they were good

[fresh salmon]

italian and spanish servers are traps, never invite those

[drifting nova]

The average kazzakian is bad

[stuck cloud]

what would you pair gaze with if u dont have stare?

is feather better than heart?

[lucid olive]

run a droptimizer

[pseudo merlin]

The only thing that sets them apart is language, back in the day you could've said its cuz they can't read Englando but we've had localisation for like 15 years for all those languages

[stuck cloud]

or do we want to play 2 passives if we dont have stare

[lucid olive]

ideally youd go do normal raid and loot a stare

or LFR

[stuck cloud]

stare that much gain?

even on n 263

[lucid olive]

its a good trinket

[drifting nova]

Even lfr yea

[lucid olive]

feather is good for elunes chosen though

but still probably gets beat by Stare at 1 track lower

[stuck cloud]

so i was about to farm heart since i cant get stare hc or myth this week anymore

just dropped feathjer

would upgrade it to 285

[lucid olive]

i don't think WoW is big enough in places like Italy or France to sustain a PvE scene

[stuck cloud]

and i mostly play feral i just want options for when i want to play some owl

[lucid olive]

it's also somewhat a culture thing

German servers are usually fine cause Germany has a strong PvE scene with german only speakers

but once you start plucking out the people in the italian or french playerbase that just raids in english speaking guilds on english servers then the people left are outliers

[drifting nova]

Can’t even tur.n Portuguese off when using lfg

[lucid olive]

curious how countries are different there tbh

[pseudo merlin]

France has some insane banger guilds atleast, crazy boosters too

Like some of the best players ive ever seen were frencch for sure

[lucid olive]

there are like no HoF portuguese only guilds afaik

or dutch guilds

[pseudo merlin]

but ye maybe

[drifting nova]

I’m not French

[lucid olive]

cause the players just speak English

[pseudo merlin]

Dutch people don't do that

ye

[lucid olive]

there's like 1 Norwegian guild in HoF

[pseudo merlin]

Dutch guilds are just casuals

[lucid olive]

but like 10 swedish ones

[pseudo merlin]

Everyone else doesn't even advertise their language

[drifting nova]

Hearing Germans speak English is something

[pseudo merlin]

BROTHER

Hearing British speak English is something

[lucid olive]

i raid with germans i hear it every week

[drifting nova]

It doesn’t compute to my hers

Ears

Scandi and Dutch are like 98% intelligible

German is like 75

And French 20

[lucid olive]

i need to start boosting again man

haven't done a single boost the entire expac

think i have less than 20k gold left across account

[pseudo merlin]

you're not actually serious

oh intelligible nvm

[lucid olive]

he never is

[pseudo merlin]

no no he's right

this time

[stuck cloud]

do i just macro feather with incar?

[lucid olive]

sure

[lucid olive]

broken clock

[drifting nova]

I don’t understand them sometimes tbf esp up north like the scousers

[drifting nova]

Me on bus gimmme leeway

[pseudo merlin]

4 wipes so far

[drifting nova]

Need more fibre

[jolly delta]

old news

I'm on Silvermoon

[pseudo merlin]

You can take the Italian out of Italy

But you can't take Italy out of the Italian

🤌

[forest crest]

Just question, what is the exact rotion in elune choosen in m+ on ST? I understand AOE just good, but in ST i have still problem, if have full astral power do i just spam starsurge until 0 and then again build it using wrath or starfire?

[pseudo merlin]

Did you check out the compendium yet?

[round field]

you just dont wanna overcap and spend procs

wrath outside eclipse starfire otherwise

[forest crest]

Yeah thats it, i was propably using wrath as a builder in eclipse too, so in eclipse just build with starfire and spend with starsurge. I guess there is nothing bad with sending 2-3 starsurges after another, or should i like send 2 starsurges then starfire. Sorry i am little consufed, balance is my off spec to guardian.

[lucid olive]

spend 3 times asap after entering Eclipse so you can use Ascendant Stars buff, stack Starlord and Harmony of the Heavens

also good to spend to 0 as your Eclipse is running out, but also just depends on what movement is incoming etc

[forest crest]

Okay, now i get it, thank you guys

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova axe with e or ax without e

[drifting nova]

Just got me wondering what Italian sign language is like

Ax too Saxon for me

But it looks cooler

[pseudo merlin]

in one word?

excessive

[drifting nova]

🤙

[drifting nova]

I am once reminded I hate people in town

[royal geode]

@lucid olive just a follow up from yesterdays conversation, tried out some of your tips and I already saw a difference, although I found myself having Eclipse on CD on moments it might have been useful, that’s just a matter of bad planning from my side https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bkac3FAm6QY9t4vf?fight=1&type=damage-done
Cheers!

[ruby badger]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-wtf-what-despair-gif-25501445

What the helly is that at the bottom

[drifting nova]

cousin of the trebuchet

[royal geode]

Hahaha, that’s the moment I used bear form to absorb some damage, might aswell do some while waiting

[drifting nova]

next time take the death

[ruby badger]

Make your healer feel ashamed

[drifting nova]

and the eclipse issue is more the eclipse system is still in alpha

[lucid olive]

prime time to press Eclipse here when you're walking down the ramp on the left side

[lofty depot]

Wrong

[lucid olive]

your 2 Sunfire casts there was also on the same mob

[lucid olive]

just don't interact with kekkers

[drifting nova]

you are correct, alpha even is too generous

[lucid olive]

not worth correcting him

if you feel baited by kekkers just put him on ignore for a couple hours

[lofty depot]

Not baited

Frog might know he's a baiter

[lucid olive]

you replied to him and said he's wrong

that's bait enough

he takes that as a W

[lofty depot]

Shut up rat

[lucid olive]

whats going on here

feel like I need a vod to see what happened

did you just random cancelaura your moonkin form and press it again or

[ruby badger]

He's shapeshifting to cancel a debuff

[lucid olive]

also taking like 5 global break between moonfires

[lucid olive]

cringe

that last moonkin form cast probably a giant waste

pressing incarn enters moonkin form

[drifting nova]

I hope fluid form is passive next xpac

[royal geode]

True

[lucid olive]

if your next cast is incarn then you can just cancel your form and press incarn instantly

can do that during the FoE gcd

since both canceling form and incarn is off gcd

(can cancel form during cast as well)

[ruby badger]

For any dungeons where you want to shapeshift to cancel a debuff, save your bark for when you're in Incarn

so you can just eat the damage and not lose globals

[royal geode]

Good one

[lucid olive]

like..

you pressed moonkin form 20 times

thats impressive honestly

its probably good to shape the debuff though

so not gonna say it's incorrect

[ruby badger]

You bark at 20 seconds in, then Incarn at 1:23 and shapeshift twice (maybe three times?) inside Incarn instead of barking

[lucid olive]

ye

[royal geode]

That's just probably me acting selflessly, not wanting to burden our healer

[ruby badger]

Killing the pack faster would make your healer's life easier

[lucid olive]

i also think typhoon is more value than incap roar

as a stop

but you used incap roar more

[royal geode]

When my HP gets dangerously low, Incap roar works as a panic button for me

In case I don't have pot or any other line of defense

[lucid olive]

like here you press 6 Moonfire casts

but on 2 different targets

[royal geode]

Must have been on the move

[lucid olive]

Bear Form should be absolute last solution

[royal geode]

Got it, focused mainly on the Eclipse thing in this run , will try to correct the rest on the way aswell

[lucid olive]

you were in combat with 6 mobs during the move, and you never put a dot on Flux Engineer 6

like 40 seconds after the move you target him

unless replay sucks idk

[royal geode]

Can't recall the moment tbh

[lucid olive]

much better to review m+ from watching a vod instead of log replay

it's when you're walking to the last stair before the boss on left side

[royal geode]

But I'm pretty sure I've been dotting the hell outta everything 😅

[lucid olive]

yeah could be log replay being bricked

but moments like the movement there is prime time for Wild Charge as well

good to keep up with your tank

make sure your dots land on the mobs as he's pulling them

[royal geode]

The moonkin version or the out of shape shift one?

[lucid olive]

either

prob moonkin wild charge better

[royal geode]

I've been having aggro problems with that

[lofty depot]

Why are we out of moonkin form

Stop that

[lucid olive]

you should dot mobs so early that bad tanks get mad at you

[lucid olive]

debuff in nexus point hurts

probably correct to do

better to use barkskin to live it during CDs

[royal geode]

But that's just the tanks fault I assume.

[lofty depot]

Not pressing a damage button and running through mobs do be a tank problem

Press meld

[royal geode]

Still a troll unfortunately

[ruby badger]

I think a quick fix is Incarn usage
This is rank 2 Moonkin in the west in NPX
the second one is Canexx, this shows them only using Incarn once without Vaelgor's (they use an extra charge on the right side boss' damage amp)
Last one is you, using 5 incarns without Vaelgor's

[lofty depot]

Fix that too then

[ruby badger]

I'd basically never burn an Incarn without trinket unless it's for a severe damage amp

[lucid olive]

ye

its a 2 minute recharge and a 1:30 trinket

if you just play around the trinket then that's good

[lucid olive]

it's a bit of both right

m+ is a team game

it's bad for your damage and contribution to the group if you're late in setting up dots

but the tank also wants to get aggro instantly

it's just a give and take situation imo

most tanks also have big aoe spells that generate threat

thats why i say wild charge to keep up with him

[royal geode]

I'll keep that in mind , that's something I never noticed tbh, just made the macro and forgot about the Cd of the trinket

[lucid olive]

cause if you're pulling for him but you're standing on him or making sure the mobs get kited thru him

then thats not really risky

most tanks have some sort of nameplate color or whatever to show what they have threat on

but i think all of this comes with practice and comfort

[royal geode]

True, I've been somewhat doing that tbh, that's why I use Incap roar so much, I've used on taking aggro with DoTing around and needed an extra def/heal

While moving on the back of the tank

That's mostly a problem in first pull of AA

[lucid olive]

the bird adds before 2nd boss in algethar

prime example too

you can dot them instantly as they become targetable and you'll rip threat

but you'll also demolish those birds if you're fast

[verbal shadow]

Guys, what's the best way to farm hero crests now?

[lucid olive]

delves probably

or preys

heroic raid

[verbal shadow]

Thanks! Someone said to do the new invasion things but I have no idea where to start 😔

[silk shard]

the npcs for the void assaults and ritual sites is on a ledge above the crafting area

in silvermoon city

the breadcrumb quest should start around there

[gaunt lantern]

the ritual sites take 10-15 minutes once you can do the rank 8s for 20 hero crests

[idle forge]

is there a reason to try to spread astral smolder? like tab targeting the first 3 starsurges in an eclipse?

[fickle pier]

yikes no

[idle forge]

ok good lol

[fickle pier]

fall on 2 my guy

[idle forge]

right, duh

aug bombard spreading mentality leaking through

[fickle pier]

it was tab surge on 2 at the start of the tier which was cringe

[lucid olive]

you still do that

but not for the reason he said

its good to tab target spread for Stellar Amp on low target counts

[idle forge]

ok stellar amp was where i read a previous note to justify tab targetting. thanks

[lucid olive]

but also its only an issue if your Starsurge would overcap the Stellar Amp duration on the target

[fickle pier]

dreamgrove says otherwise

just says fall on 2, surge with weaver proc

[idle forge]

great article btw gamz: https://www.wowhead.com/news/does-balance-druid-have-too-many-choices-balance-druid-retrospective-for-381686?utm_source=discord-webhook

[lucid olive]

nice try

its a bit outdated i guess

[fickle pier]

well

it contradicts itself right above then

[lucid olive]

is it a contradiction when it doesn't mention stellar amp at all

anyway

dreamgrove is open source

make a PR with changes and i can commit it

[fickle pier]

well the priority list doesn't need to tell me about stellar amp, a passive effect. It just needs to tell me which button to press in which order or whatever

[lucid olive]

if compendium says something wrong or contradicts itself

[fickle pier]

I am just monkey see monkey do orange parser, I do not innovate lol

[craggy sonnet]

problem is that there are quite a few conditions influencing the decision

[lucid olive]

you're incentivized to fix it

[fickle pier]

it only applies on dragons anyways and you just press mushroom and dump 10 starfalls while you're at 3 fps

[craggy sonnet]

and talent choices matter for that as well

[lucid olive]

nah it applies to any target count with starweaver

you never want to overcap stellar amp duration if there is another target to Starsurge

5 seconds per starsurge to a max of 20 seconds

problem is tracking the debuff is only really possible on boss frames

[craggy sonnet]

wing it

gg

ez

[lucid olive]

also this is in no way meant as rude or dismissive as it comes off

this is also how i got started writing the compendium

it wasnt updated for season 4 of Dragonflight and Oi said "meh i dont wanna"

so i did it

[fickle pier]

yeah I understand, I just don't have the actual factual knowledge of what is right. I just follow.

[craggy sonnet]

i think you also gotta draw the line somewhere as to what information to include in such a resource

[fickle pier]

I didn't think you were being rude

[lucid olive]

neither did i

[fickle pier]

I'm just saying that most people are gonna read the priority list and press starfall on 2 and be done with it. The written explanation below that contradicts the priority list probably gonna get missed or be confusing at the least

but also sounds like we just need another 16% sf buff so we can fall on 2

[lucid olive]

you do starfall on 2 currently

thats why the "how to play on 2" is outdated

[craggy sonnet]

cause technically, you dont always starfall on 2 (rattle you want to have stellar amp on both targets running before starfalling for example), you dont always spend cosmos on the same spender based on like 5 diff talent choices etc

[lucid olive]

but if nobody else fixes it i'll get to it in like a week

[lucid olive]

ye

[craggy sonnet]

but does allat need to be in the prio?

that would get overwhelming crazy fast

[lucid olive]

just find your local smart person and perma bother him like i did

[fickle pier]

ya I understand this, but the situation in which you're running rattle and there are 2 targets is kind of rare or you picked the wrong talents. Rattle is basically patchwerk in raid

[craggy sonnet]

can play rattle in m+

[fickle pier]

in m+ I see both so idk but I also just raid log

ya

[lucid olive]

rattle is better for big aoe

only problem is rattle is also mind numbingly boring

[fickle pier]

I run rattle in m+ when I was forced to do it

[lucid olive]

i think top logs on Dragons run Rattle

[craggy sonnet]

darn padders

[fickle pier]

I prefer rattle but weaver is fine too. Weaver can just rng overcap or munch procs which doesn't matter because there's nothing you can do but its also kind of a feels bad to my brain

[lucid olive]

nobody prefers rattle

[fickle pier]

lol

[lucid olive]

thats like "yeah i like chocolate, but really i prefer shit"

[fickle pier]

wym, I like knowing what my next button is 3 buttons in advance

[lucid olive]

snore

dogshit gameplay

you either do full st or full aoe and no inbetween