Its a tiny minmax
#balance
lofty depot
lucid olive
yeah its not very major
lofty depot
Ull gain more by pressing the eclipses ur not pressing
lucid olive
the wild charge and eclipse stuff in your log much more relevant to point out
need to tackle big issues first
lofty depot
Also, that first pull u sent foe at the end of a pack and then didn't have it until the tail end of the following incarn
fading isle
Dumb question but when would I be using wild charge?
lucid olive
whenever you have to move
you can use instant cast globals during your disengage animation
when going between packs you can travel form + wild charge as well
fading isle
Also, that first pull u sent foe at the end of a pack and then didn't have it un...
Yeah I do it a lot, In my head it feels better to just get it on CD and reducing the cooldown for the next. I'm guessing thats wrong
void jacinth
you wanna send FoE off cooldown but not when the pack is at like 5%
i send FAHH on cooldown, should i hold it?
lucid olive
fuck is a fahh
lofty depot
Doe ray me FAHH
void jacinth
glame bamz
lofty depot
I blame blind copiers of talents
lucid olive
need to keep em guessing
lofty depot
The funny people slamming 1m convoke on every fight
lofty depot
I do as I'm told
There's more than one m+ build
U just copied the first one
It's not necessarily ur fault
Just a society of laziness
lofty depot
The rattle build plays sundered which means every I can press has exposure running
fading isle
The funny people slamming 1m convoke on every fight
There's a joke here but I'm too dumb to understand it
lofty depot
Well that was towards gamz, but he already knows that
fading isle
Right, read the guide, change some talents, press more eclipse, charge more, dont be shit
got it
And just to wind you up
Do my stats matter?
lofty depot
Yea, if u have over 900 mastery and 500 haste ur never gonna time a 15
fading isle
lofty depot
Better just uninstall
fading isle
Why stop there
lucid olive
Just a society of laziness
is it laziness or is it habit formed from years of talent builds being static
round field
talents are just shit
lets just go back to cata
90% of nodes are just boring filler
sudden flame
dense steeple
True
stone oasis
i miss displacer beast
lofty depot
Bota my beleoved
unique bronze
wise mans
eager raft
What did blessing of the ancients do
normal pilot
Let you be bluekin or pisskin
lofty depot
Give asp while being afk
Or give asp for pressing builders or something, but u could move between the 2 states
eager raft
Interesting. And that’s from legion?
lofty depot
Ye
eager raft
I see online it was removed at the start of SL but I do not remember ever playing that in bfa
lofty depot
I didn't play boomkin in bfa so idk
normal pilot
it got removed in bfa
eager raft
That explains it!
drifting nova
it got removed in bfa
like most good things
true viper
Wow
paper ember
Kinda miss that talent tree lol worried the current one is trending toward a PoE type talent galaxy..
lofty depot
Why is that worrying
normal pilot
it's worse than poe tree right now
lofty depot
U copy builds regardless
normal pilot
most of poe tree are travel nodes and you don't need to remember that much
wow tries to make every single node some random ass unique thing
nobody's gonna remember what every single 60+ points does
lofty depot
Nobody is innovating builds anyway. 99% of people didn't know what solstice was before this tier set, I'd bet that number is still high
U don't need to know what shit does cuz ur just copying and pasting builds from wclogs
round field
Thats probably cause like
Solstice is like a mandatory node no
Oh its not technically
Shs is
lofty depot
Well sure but that's not the point, u don't need to know what most of them are
People still pressing starfire in solar, they can't read anyway
paper ember
I guess thats true. Usually you only need to know the reason behind choosing a few different talents based on the situation. Everything else is either passive or never/always taken.
PoE tree is just an eye sore.
lofty depot
Will be gone after last titan
"we decided to take the complexity out of your talent trees and add it back to your class"
Or some shit
paper ember
And around and around we go
drifting nova
Nobody is innovating builds anyway. 99% of people didn't know what solstice was ...
what is solstice
steel pulsar
On which target counts do we star fall? Does eclipse or hero trees change anything? Like solar keeper
lofty depot
Mmhm
steel pulsar
So why do on dragons they got so many star surges
lofty depot
Cuz u play weaver
steel pulsar
A top log had 90 star fall and like 55 starsurges
drifting nova
who is they
lofty depot
And ur pressing free procs
lofty depot
Why should it be that
steel pulsar
Ok then 2/5
steel pulsar
That is a statistical anomaly. More than half is starfalls were surges
lofty depot
Also
steel pulsar
At 90+, that impossible
lofty depot
Ur pressing surge during the intermission
drifting nova
hell you could probably look at the buff gain on the log
steel pulsar
Ok guess that's it
drifting nova
for which is and which isnt a proc
steel pulsar
aka sim 2T
Sims are fake
drifting nova
remove the procs on logs
lofty depot
Statistical anomaly
steel pulsar
But I got my answer. 2/5 procs and 1/5 intermission
drifting nova
explains the lack of maths
steel pulsar
didnt you play DH before ancine
Still do, Sims are so fake there too. Guide was fake too
royal zenith
ahh okay
paper ember
Vague top parse, statistical anomaly, fake sims. Is this… rage bait?
lofty depot
Vague top parse, statistical anomaly, fake sims. Is this… rage bait?
He presses Starfire in solar, ignore him
lucid olive
A top log had 90 star fall and like 55 starsurges
makes sense to me
how many intermissions
Starfall has 40% chance to proc Starsurge, adding in the phase where there's a single target add and that you press Starfall on Touch the Cosmos procs
lucid olive
So why do on dragons they got so many star surges
good for upkeeping stellar amp as well
shows Starsurge dmg graph, Stellar Amp uptime on both bosses and Starweaver's Weft procs
lucid olive
Still do, Sims are so fake there too. Guide was fake too
say my guide is fake and i force eatmy to never heal you again
paper ember
Maybe he’s an icy veins user
lofty depot
Gamz saying shit I already did
eager raft
Sorry I prefer to get my answers from someone more qualified
naive siren
would you recommend 2t or 3t sim for a paladins-alike sim?
i guess i could sim if maybe i should switch some secondaries for this EC boss?
lofty depot
I ain't switching stats for a boss
gaunt lantern
he's just going out for cigarettes, he'll be back..
lofty depot
Bosses die too fast, need buyers asap
naive siren
is it technically possible to have 2,5 targets in sim?
well, guess i can just try xD
eager raft
It is not
lucid olive
Gamz saying shit I already did
i don't read the answers other people give tbh
ngl
esp not if i'm catching up with an hours worth of messages
lofty depot
Smh
lofty depot
U can also make one fly away so u can't hit him but dots still tick
lucid olive
^
thats how youd do it if you wanna make an accurate paladins sim
find out the timers when they are 3 stacked and when they are only 2 stacked
lofty depot
Add an amp to v boss for the first 30s or w.e.
lucid olive
do raid events amounting to 3 targets and change the X or Z axis of one of the mobs so it's out of your range on the timers where there are only 2
lofty depot
Well yea unless ur well versed
I was gonna start messing around with it again
No more prog can do funny stuff again
lucid olive
yeha make boss sims now that they're useless
most arctic thing i've heard
make boss sim for Sporefall raid instead
lofty depot
Yea let me write down all the things that's useful for
eager raft
🍟 -> 🛍️
eager raft
we still trolling lura or
Last night went pretty well… prob coulda died if we didn’t lose the last 20ish mins of raid to a52 going down
Dead Thursday for sure tho
lofty depot
PREY
maiden pasture
Take gamz pin permissions away
misty vapor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ofnZri8stN2ywkSij5E8ro
I don't really know how to improve my sim, i am currently progressing beloren.
craggy sonnet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ofnZri8stN2ywkSij5E8ro
I don't really kn...
crit flask
rest is fine
(maybe consider recrafting wrists to crit + x)
maybe catalyst cloak
misty vapor
this is for alleria / nexus king - talents
misty vapor
(maybe consider recrafting wrists to crit + x)
crit haste ?
it seems i have too much mastery
round field
it seems i have too much mastery
?
misty vapor
without any buffs
lofty depot
What buffs crit
misty vapor
flasks
craggy sonnet
crit haste ?
just sim both crit haste / crit mast
add all the things i mentioned to your sim and see what comes out on top
dense steeple
without any buffs
yeah i have 1000 crit without any buffs
lofty depot
1120 with buffs 
dense steeple
1120 with buffs <a:SHEESH:1282916204612157497>
tough guy
lofty depot
Mmhm mmhm
misty vapor
What buffs crit
Night elf passive aura +1% crit during the day
misty vapor
just sim both crit haste / crit mast
lofty depot
Night elf passive aura +1% crit during the day
Thats cute
craggy sonnet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ajjT1c99wKp28eanimUzhe
looks good
ah, you already have another cloak. guess you can just use that one as well (its within margin) if you want
craggy sonnet
but it sims lower
its within variance. sim again and it might be ahead
doesnt matter no matter what you decide to go for
lucid olive
Night elf passive aura +1% crit during the day
you a day raider?
craggy sonnet
didnt they make it always the same in raid? or im imagining that / they already changed it again
lucid olive
nah thats made up
when rising light falling night or whatever was a talent you could see it change in logs where pulls overlapped at 6pm server time
lofty depot
Day raid or lose damage
grim mirage
Does this sim seems correct for you ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/22XQDYfH2xBUzWd3PJtTv9
lucid olive
yes
grim mirage
Tells me to keep crafted staff instead of going 2H myth weapon and change embelish
grim mirage
Oh damn ! so i fucked up the sim x)
lucid olive
also didnt choose any gems to put in your neck
grim mirage
doesn't it chose by itself ?
lucid olive
not unless you select which to choose from
grim mirage
Or i have to redo each combination of secondary stat ?
lofty depot
Wrong ring enchants too
round field
yes
the sim only does what u tell it to do
on that note
raidbots ai sub when
chatgpt sim my gear
lucid olive
Or i have to redo each combination of secondary stat ?
no just click any of these
lofty depot
Weapon mastery haste
digital berry
raidbots ai sub when
Never, fuck ai
grim mirage
Ok added Haste mast
digital berry
Also my sim told me to switch to crit flask and crit weapon enchantment
lofty depot
Ok added Haste mast
Ew stop
Add Crit mastery and crit haste
Click the +32 gem and click always use
grim mirage
I cant run those sims ^^ too many iteration
lofty depot
Add the eagle ring enchant
craggy sonnet
Also my sim told me to switch to crit flask and crit weapon enchantment
crit weap enchant? 👀
digital berry
crit weap enchant? 👀
Ikr I was shocked
craggy sonnet
honestly, i havent clicked that in a while .. so
was it like truly better or within margin
digital berry
I mean I threw in a random enchant and ring sim and just followed the best so idk what the enchant amounted to
grim mirage
This seems more logical right ?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hzjGoZ9QhmuTtNGPZEBwy1Ok
I'm gonne redo one with your advices Artic for gems and enchant
craggy sonnet
links dead
grim mirage
Oh damn can't resend i closed this one sry 😒
lofty depot
U can click the 3 lines at the top
grim mirage
i'm rerunning the next one
verbal shadow
Should I always keep my mastery above crit/haste?
lofty depot
No, but u also just sim that kind of stuff
verbal shadow
I am new to this simming stuff! Not sure how to compare stats
trying to find out if I should recraft my crit mastery items
lucid olive
I am new to this simming stuff! Not sure how to compare stats
you dont
you compare items
lofty depot
U press the + icon on the item and change the stats to what u think, then sim it
U go down, click replace gems/enchants and press ones u want to sim
pale osprey
Whats this wild mushroom range? If I put them on any dragon does it just hit all mobs and give the full 20 astral?
lucid olive
range is in the tooltip
pale osprey
45 yd but isnt that my own range when casting it?
I don't see explosion radius in the tooltip
Am I blind
lofty depot
Likely 5-10 yard or some shit, it's not like ur trying to play around it perfectly
lofty depot
I think most people shouldn't bother
pale osprey
I'll try a pull without, cheers
lofty depot
Gj
grim mirage
Looks better ty all 🙂
lucid olive
Am I blind
yeah my bad, i thought i remembered the tooltip having it
spelldatadump suggests 8 yards tho if i'm reading correct
#1 (id=91242) : School Damage (2): nature | Attributes: Area Effects Use Target Radius (17)
Base Value: 0 | Scaled Value: 0 | SP Coefficient: 3.187 | Radius: 0 - 8 yards | Target: at Area (87) -> at Enemy in Area (16)
#2 (id=1031624) : Dummy (3)
Base Value: 20 | Scaled Value: 20
Description : $@spelldesc88747```radius 0-8 yards
pale osprey
Tyvm!
lucid olive
also unsure if the cap is technically 20 or 25, but i think it's 20
pale osprey
lucid olive
which means it caps at 3 targets
lofty depot
I saw u typing
spiral juniper
i'm always typing, but always lurking
lucid olive
i see yasa typing several times a day but he never presses enter
spiral juniper
sometimes i do, by accident, but i delete it instantly
verbal shadow
U press the + icon on the item and change the stats to what u think, then sim it
Thank you! I was looking to test the crafted items out to see if better with crit and haste. I will look into it!
verbal shadow
I went crit but I had 27% crit and only 22% mastery
iron steppe
does solar beam not work on termination matrix casts?
verbal shadow
I assumed that would give me crit from potion use which was not good
lofty depot
does solar beam not work on termination matrix casts?
It works on one of them
lofty depot
I assumed that would give me crit from potion use which was not good
Why do u assume that's not good
iron steppe
which one would that be
iron steppe
:(
verbal shadow
I thought mastery would be more important but this is why I need to learn to sim
iron steppe
theres this silly macro from a website and for some reason my kick landed on the matrix but didnt actually interrupt it
lofty depot
Well u should first and foremost stop assuming things
lofty depot
theres this silly macro from a website and for some reason my kick landed on the...
From a website
Hmmm
lofty depot
Yea is it the wrong one tho hmm
Does ur macro focus the matrix prior to kicking or
Is it just a target macro
iron steppe
this is what it tells me to use
eager raft
I think it’s more consistent to use 2 separate macros, 1 to focus the one you’re kicking and another to kick it
lofty depot
Hm, would need to see when h tries to click and if someone else did it
lofty depot
I think it’s more consistent to use 2 separate macros, 1 to focus the one you’re...
My macro does both
Just 2 presses
iron steppe
would you be able to link yours for me and then i can just adjust it for my spot
eager raft
Macro 1: /focus boss2
Macro 2: /cast [target=focus] Solar Beam
lofty depot
Do we know what ominous folios tree we would use?
Some of us know
eager raft
Is how I do it
lofty depot
would you be able to link yours for me and then i can just adjust it for my spot
It's likely ur kick 3/4/5 one
Because he likely just sniped what rle posted
copper vessel
what should my stat spread be like at 289 ilvl? I have 774 crit 895 haste 743 mastery 37 vers
paper ember
Too much vers
lofty depot
Smh piss name
paper ember
Makes my eyes pop
copper vessel
Go sim some combos on everything
sorry what do you mean combos?
copper vessel
ok thx
paper ember
Just keep s(w)imming
copper vessel
0 vers, lowest haste, high crit high mastery
thx
lofty depot
0 vers, lowest haste, high crit high mastery
Need at least 16 vers
drifting nova
vers bad more at 11
nimble tangle
Need at least 16 vers
lofty depot
Piss namer u mean
lucid olive
Do we know what ominous folios tree we would use?
the one that sims the highest when raidbots goes live with 12.0.7 changes
lofty depot
It's ok, most of u rats aren't gonna be grabbing the orbs anyway
paper ember
Astral Antenna trained us for this.
lucid olive
cute
tons of "collect these orbs for a buff" mechanics
treacherous transmitter for example 
i miss the venthyr umbrella guys
quiet drift
When I came back to the game
I was standing in some shit out of habit
cuz I thought it was umbrella
🦣
loud kettle
its tea time...
quiet drift
🤫
lucid olive
I was standing in some shit out of habit
thats crazy no, it was like 3-4 years since you played and you still have habits and muscle memory
loud kettle
getting an umbrella proc, + mindgames cheese on sire denathrius with spirit shell was 📈
lucid olive
shows how much you played in sl
lofty depot
Get 50 orbs in Lura p3 or int raid
paper ember
already inting by playing balance druid
quiet drift
p1 is so chill now
lucid olive
should nerf crystal hp so i don't have to rely on high rolling cooldowns
quiet drift
Just get funny fist class
lucid olive
true..
quiet drift
lofty depot
Nerf aoe means more classes will go st surely
sage phoenix
nothing balance related, but is there an addon which shows what/where you bonusrolled already?
quiet drift
WW doesnt lose ST by topping crystals :D
lucid olive
nothing balance related, but is there an addon which shows what/where you bonusr...
@maiden pasture
maiden pasture
nothing balance related, but is there an addon which shows what/where you bonusr...
i have something like this if u want
homecooked by claude
lucid olive
so home cooked your raid bosses arent even the right order..
sorting them by ID should be banned imo
lofty depot
mmhm they made beloren first then everthing else 👀
lucid olive
yeah ofc they made beloren first
that boss was made back in cataclysm
at least it feels like that..
visual eagle
Hey guys, sorry if this is a dumb question, but does crit really sims so well for boomie ST? With flask im roughly over 1k crit.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/trMnixr8qjwg8CAySXwqfC
lucid olive
yes
visual eagle
okay, thanks Gamz 
lofty depot
Hey guys, sorry if this is a dumb question, but does crit really sims so well fo...
did u read the pin
visual eagle
oh yea, my bad, its just, i thought it will have same weight as mastery at around 800-900, didn't expect it to be this high, sorry for not reading first
delicate perch
did u read the pin
Not reading that essay
lofty depot
Im not hispanic
maiden pasture
so home cooked your raid bosses arent even the right order..
np dr c.laude fixed it
lucid olive
nobody batting an eye on the fact they made Alleria after all the dungeons
if you managed to noclip your way to the Crown of the Cosmos platform during beta with mapviewer tech or whatever
there was nothing there
most fun fight in all the 3 raids and they had 0 clue how it was gonna play out until like late january or something
lofty depot
Need some random swirlies or something in p2
maiden pasture
most fun fight in all the 3 raids and they had 0 clue how it was gonna play out ...
thats a take
lura is for sure better
woeful prairie
why am i so bad at balance? https://wowanalyzer.com/report/3mZznhy9pvwxNqF6/22-Heroic+Midnight+Falls+-+Kill+(6:13)/1-Elm/standard/overview
lucid olive
lura is for sure better
Maybe objectively, but moonkin on Crown prog was fun af
maiden pasture
you cast solar eclipse 3 times in 6 minutes also
lucid olive
Lura was fun too but doesn't come close imo
woeful prairie
yeah i definitely am bad about manually pressing the eclipse button
maiden pasture
well thats
a massive problem
time outside of eclipse is time doing basically no damage
woeful prairie
is there a addon that helps remind me to press it with a big alert ala weakauras or something? im also the raid leader so i dont have my eyes on my bars all the time
woeful prairie
is it macroable into something else?
normal pilot
no it's just part of the rotation you need to leanr to track of to play the spec
maiden pasture
or any kind of CDM addon?
normal pilot
also your canceled cast is way too high
woeful prairie
i do not currently use any cdm
normal pilot
balance requires you to be proactive and be aware of mechanics, and if you're the raid leader that typically comes naturally
maiden pasture
using a CDM to help track your cooldowns as well as buffs better should help a lot in realising what spells you have available but are not using
noble quest
how much dps loss is elune chosen in single target (basically want to raid as elunes chosen)
craggy sonnet
on paper, none .. in reality, who knows
noble quest
ok cool
lofty depot
how much dps loss is elune chosen in single target (basically want to raid as el...
No u dont
noble quest
just keep seeing keeper recommended but meh just gonna go elune not a fan of summoning treants
uh oh
lol
lofty depot
Feedback from people "I don't like summoning trees"
noble quest
I am a new balance player and I guess im still trying to even get used to elunes chosen in m+ lmao
lofty depot
I mean u can play EC it's not that big of a problem
Casting Starfire in raid is just cringe
lofty depot
Do the minmax in egg phase trying to get 2 Starfire casts before u need to move
woeful prairie
why do you want 2 starfires
proven swallow
Thoughts/feels on ec vs keeper on beloren? Starting prog later this week
exotic perch
candid fox
I am trying to sim the Powerful Eversong Diamond and the sims dont seem to choose different color gems to go with it no matter which options i choose. Am I missing something here? I have six gem sockets now.
lyric stag
You have to tell it you want to use 4+ colors in the checkbox
lofty depot
why do you want 2 starfires
So I have the asp to send a surge for the movement
Random tarisant sighting
Locken
On evoker tho, o7
fossil shard
v rare tarisant appearance o7
silk shard
grats
vital hound
lfg
dense steeple
teal sphinx
real
stone ledge
dense steeple
i'm holding a crystal in p1 
sour rampart
its so demoralizing
delicate perch
go to the right with literally no one ❌
go to the tank ✅
meager storm
i think thats both tanks man
delicate perch
does that make it the smart decision instead of going right
meager storm
oh no ye for sure staying in between the 2 beams is prob safer
bdk also went diagonally for some reason instead of to the left/right with those lines
loud kettle
well they were trying to drop their crystal
delicate perch
just jump in the middle no ones taking that spot
meager storm
with those lines u drop and move sideways
delicate perch
loud kettle
lil bro on the right was being shifty
not only did he go to tank he couldnt stay still
delicate perch
loud kettle
unrelated but the bots have been absolutely brutal this past week
ive gotten so many dms from them
delicate perch
idk if my settings stop them but it's always just friend requests for me
loud kettle
yea i get those too and i accept them because funny
theyve been very boring though
basic og level chatbots
theyve pretty much all been the "something game related" "oh sry wrong person" "how r u" variety
the rest are the wow gold discord nonsense
flat locust
Hello!
I’ve returned to my balance druid after Season 3 of TWW.
Could you please advise which buffs I can remove from tracking, and which ones I absolutely need to keep?
lofty depot
depends how uhh alert u are about moonkin form
but take it off
natures grace dont really need
dont need starfall surely
sundered is w.e.
lucid olive
sundered is w.e.
thats not sundered
lucid olive
ascendant fires
lucid olive
ye free builder
lofty depot
yea cba
lucid olive
not bad to track idk who cares
if you're not used to apex talents yet then its surely good to track
alternative is tracking wrath/starfire in essentials and looking at proc glow for it
lucid olive
Hello!
I’ve returned to my balance druid after Season 3 of TWW.
Could you please...
think this is a PVP talent or
probably not worth tracking
honestly the whole thing depends on how alert you are and if you use any addons that lets you control where each icon goes
like if you take mine you'd think a bunch of this is useless
but not every icon is actually placed anywhere, and some buffs are placed in different spots etc
it all kinda comes down to personal preference
lofty depot
old man big font
lucid olive
its the anchor highlight
it just shows the number of the anchor frames from the addon
flat locust
Thanks guys
fading isle
@lucid olive https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3tpQyZRKYmPxwnNX?fight=14&type=damage-done any better with eclipse usage ?
Ignore the no wild charge uses again pls 
lucid olive
theres a 2 minute gap here and there you could have maybe sent one before using Incarn
but its an improvement
sharp cairn
Do we still just cast starfire on bosses even tough its singletarget?
lucid olive
should focus more on using utility like Wild Charge
fading isle
Okay got it
lucid olive
Do we still just cast starfire on bosses even tough its singletarget?
if you're inside Eclipse with Elune's Chosen yes
sharp cairn
if you're inside Eclipse with Elune's Chosen yes
And if not inside Eclipse, then no?
sharp cairn
Is grove viable at all for doing higher keys?
lucid olive
sure
lucid olive
you can play whatever talents you want
they're close enough to not make a big difference
the important thing is having fun
sharp cairn
Sure, but i also want to time my keys 🙂
fading isle
Does it bother you at all that touch of the cosmos and ascendant stars have the same icon ?
lofty depot
Sure, but i also want to time my keys 🙂
u can time keys just fine as keeper
lofty depot
Does it bother you at all that touch of the cosmos and ascendant stars have the ...
if u dont track ascendant stars u dont know it has the same icon
so no, it doesn't bother me
fading isle
Fair point
silk shard
15/16s
i made it to resil 15s with kotg despite being told 2 weeks ago in here not to kotg in keys past 10s
delicate perch
Me when I lie
silk shard
right my bad my wr15 was as tank i gotta go rerun that one
delicate perch
It was probably kekkers who said that
silk shard
some guy named steven according to discord chatlogs
my own guild master was trolling me in seat tonight with his custom pathing, small group when my cds are up, big giga pull before 3rd boss when my cds are down
royal geode
Greetings fellow (and non) laser 🐓 . This is the first season that I actually started logging and I’m trying to understand how to “read” the logs (which is something I haven’t managed to master yet) and how to improve myself, I’ve been adapting throughout this season and I have attempted different specs. I consider myself an above average player (maybe im wrong). Long story short, I’m attaching my wow logs profil, if someone experienced can spare some time to take a look and tell me if I’m on the right path or if I’ve been doing something very wrong https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/85729254?zone=47 thanks in advance!
delicate perch
Greetings fellow (and non) laser 🐓 . This is the first season that I actually s...
@lofty depot would love to do that
dense steeple
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1475934382375305348/1509378778458095696/2...
Is this my raid?
pallid bay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1475934382375305348/1509378778458095696/2...
what lil bro doing
lucid olive
Greetings fellow (and non) laser 🐓 . This is the first season that I actually s...
so, do you want tips on how to read the log or do you want to know what mistakes you made
and don't say both cause i will only do one
royal geode
and don't say both cause i will only do one
I prefer to know what mistakes I’m doing , eventually, with some research I’ll find out how to read the logs properly
lucid olive
I prefer to know what mistakes I’m doing , eventually, with some research I’ll f...
not pressing Eclipse nearly enough
took a look at your highest Magisters Terrace, Algethar and Windrunner
here's your Eclipse presses in Algethar
it's a 32 second recharge
any amount of time spent sitting on 2 charges is a lot of wasted damage
you don't really need to moonfire 24 mobs, but that doesn't matter as much
should press Eclipse during those Moonfire spreads just to get it on CD + do some more dam during your dots + spend on Starfall if you're at max AP
and then press Fury of Elune BEFORE Incarn and not after
Incarn is your biggest dmg cooldown so you naturally want to spend that time using spells that do damage
Fury of Elune is not one of them
Just for reference, you did not press Lunar Eclipse until the adds spawned on the 1st boss
Which is over 2 minutes into the key
rough math that's 4 wasted casts
royal geode
I have two reasons for that (I think), First, I read in your guide (if I am correct) that when I’m about to press CE to make sure I’m out of eclipse because somehow it f*cks up the timing on CE, again , I might remember wrong and second to preferably enter eclipse when am close to full AP to spend it for instant haste buff (can’t remember the name)
lucid olive
sure
royal geode
For FoE you are right , it’s a bad habbit I'm trying to change
Pressing it after Incarn I mean and not before
silk shard
one thing you can try (and this depends on the pull cadence) is pooling your AP towards the end of an eclipse/CA so that you can send into the next eclipse. i asked gamz about this before and his response was that this somewhat depends on what you need to do after both eclipses are sent, but if you know there's going to be some travel time to the next pack, it can help you preplan your eclipse presses
lucid olive
yeah i mean, that's just a vibe decision more than anything
i probably need to take the time and rewrite the AoE priority lists to be specifically for m+ pulls so people stop holding eclipse for 4 minutes
lucid olive
I have two reasons for that (I think), First, I read in your guide (if I am corr...
why are you troll
you cast berserking...
silk shard
there've been pulls in m+ where my foe/fon and convoke are all ready but my ca isn't so i have to send them with a regular eclipse so that they can be back up for the next CA
lucid olive
yes thats good
in raid fights you should be mindful enough to hold an Eclipse for those moments instead of holding the trees
kinda depends on if the recharge on Eclipse is less than 15 seconds when Treants will be back up but it's more consistent to just hold the Eclipse
silk shard
(ngl the more i play i kinda wish we could get pulsar back for regular eclipse)
i've been enjoying running different choice nodes this week tho
lucid olive
getting pulsar back won't really solve much
silk shard
i think that's one thing galdrious could try if he can handle the coggy load, run weaver to maximize 4pc
lucid olive
it'll make cooldowns less of a headache but will hurt your dmg profile
the best solution is to strip out a lot of the "entering/exiting eclipse does X effect" and replace them with some form of "spending AP reduces cooldown of Eclipse by X seconds" and stuff like that
silk shard
yeah i like that idea
royal geode
you cast berserking...
That's probably another bad habbit, I inserted Berserking on my Incarn Macro cause I didn't want to have another button to worry about from the previous expansion and never really cared using it properly. Went to troll for the passive some years ago , but it's sh*t nowdays , I'll probably go back to my beloved NE
silk shard
sort of how bear reduces incarn cd per rage spent
lucid olive
don't think anyones played troll since before the pandemic
royal geode
don't think anyones played troll since before the pandemic
True , everyone's either NE or Zandalari
lucid olive
night elf or tauren is what i see most
royal geode
Tauren? Probably for the stun in M+
lucid olive
no, the crit dmg mod
royal geode
no, the crit dmg mod
Wasn't aware of that 😬
fleet swallow
Sorry for the question, but why is berserking bad?
royal geode
@lucid olive Thanks for the tips, I'll try to absorb them as much as I can.
royal geode
Sorry for the question, but why is berserking bad?
3 min Cd
delicate perch
numbers are numbers
lucid olive
Sorry for the question, but why is berserking bad?
haste is dogshit
compared to the value other races give
silk shard
(we have so much haste built into our kit as is)
lucid olive
they also look hideous
delicate perch
shit haste buff is NOT worth losing meld
fleet swallow
Ah okay, thanks
lucid olive
shadowmeld also resets Dreamstate on trash packs
very useful since Dreamstate is taken for most EC builds
humble pollen
you don't really need to moonfire 24 mobs, but that doesn't matter as much
That's something I kept struggling with - at what point is it "enough moonfires"? If it's a pack of 5, I'm guessing I should moonfire everyone, right? But as the pulls get bigger I have no idea where I should stop Moonfireing and start using actual abilities 😄
royal geode
I am tab-spreading the dots , so sometimes the rng isn't helping
lucid olive
That's something I kept struggling with - at what point is it "enough moonfires"...
i'd stop at like 10 mobs
so 5 casts
depends on how many big prio mobs there are though of course
humble pollen
i'd stop at like 10 mobs
Damn, thanks. I have been going WAY over. Been spreading that like my life depends on it 😄
silk shard
i'm surprised they never added triple moonfire to EC. that was such a fun timewalking gimmick back in BFA with the legion shoulders
lucid olive
a good plater profile goes a long way in identifying whats a high prio mob and what isnt
humble pollen
None of the guides I checked talked about that topic. They all just say "moonfire and sunfire the mobs" pretty much, or "moonfire when tank is gathering and then sunfire".
Unless I managed to miss it, of course.
lucid olive
None of the guides I checked talked about that topic. They all just say "moonfir...
yes because there's no real answer
nobody has mathed it out
there's also a shitton of variables involved
like pull length, how long it takes to gather etc
royal geode
Damn, thanks. I have been going WAY over. Been spreading that like my life depen...
Hahaha same!
lucid olive
only way we've checked it is with dungeonroute sims and changing the number a bunch of times and seeing what number is best on average
and that is usually stopping at 10 affected targets
but something like 1st pull nexus point where you pull the whole left wing, the run over there and time to gather is so long you can probably cast more dots
round field
having to take so long to apply dots is just silly
just make like
foe apply moonfire
or something
lucid olive
they made treants stupid so its a bit closer than it was last expansion
but yeah
our treants were inhaling nitrous oxide and frying their little braincells, so they forgot how to twin moons
couldve happened to anyone
lofty depot
Damn, thanks. I have been going WAY over. Been spreading that like my life depen...
Also depends how much of a run you're doing, no point in not dotting
Most people dot too slow rather than not dot enough
lucid olive
Most people dot too slow rather than not dot enough
yeah, this is important
it usually is just about how long the pull is gonna last instead of just a static "it's bad to Moonfire past this number"
gray ruin
Is there an add-on that alerts you when enemies demonstrate their skill to block orders or silence?
lucid olive
think something got lost in the translation
the last part of your sentence doesn't make sense
gray ruin
like Quaking
sour rampart
stupid larias
Wtf
gray ruin
Is there an addon that alerts me when enemies are casting interrupts or silence abilities?
sour rampart
what lil bro doing
Fat fingering intervene
lofty depot
Fat fingering ur mom
lucid olive
Is there an addon that alerts me when enemies are casting interrupts or silence ...
no
lofty depot
Is there an addon that alerts me when enemies are casting interrupts or silence ...
The only ones I have are for countdowns on bosses
Like bird in AA
lucid olive
yeah, exboss, exwind etc do that
gray ruin
So that only worked with WeakAuras?
lucid olive
works for bosses but is very inconsistent with trash
lucid olive
So that only worked with WeakAuras?
sure
it's a bit more complicated than that
but sure
lofty depot
Was gonna say more like "we lost the technology"
lucid olive
yeah thats more accurate
gray ruin
thx bro
lofty depot
Np bro
sour rampart
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1475934382375305348/1509378778458095696/2...
The comms after this
delicate perch
is the language warning in the room with us
sour rampart
I need to join ur raid, y'all do negative damage
???
We are going to beat second seed in p3 lmao
lucid olive
We are going to beat second seed in p3 lmao
you have a buyer?
lucid olive
hope he does
sour rampart
Requiring a checkmark that says I'm not a boomkin
delicate perch
me too
lucid olive
puts the price so high nobody is gonna bother reading it
let it die off
same with the ulria sim sheet
sour rampart
Wtf
lucid olive
paywall that shit to 1000 euros
delicate perch
delete all guides/sims/spreadsheets
sour rampart
same with the ulria sim sheet
Don't put me in the same category as that garbage
lucid olive
its all garbage man
sour rampart
You're garbage
lucid olive
rose scented trash is still trash
sour rampart
Go write an article about too many choices smh
delicate perch
it would be so funny to see how many people just int their characters without the abundance of help though
sour rampart
My add-on ended up with like 650,000 downloads so some folks found it useful
delicate perch
ya not saying it's not helpful, but a LOT of people int their crests with it avaiable
imagine how many would without it...
lucid olive
people buy gwyneth paltrow's perfume as well
lofty depot
Need to start selling snake oil
sour rampart
Y'all are rude smh
pallid bay
My add-on ended up with like 650,000 downloads so some folks found it useful
isnt downloads summed by versions as well
lofty depot
Its called banter silly
delicate perch
what did I even say that was rude..
pallid bay
isnt downloads summed by versions as well
sour rampart
isnt downloads summed by versions as well
Yeah
pallid bay
so we're just lying
sour rampart
No?
delicate perch
hm
sour rampart
Lmk where I lied
sour rampart
Its called banter silly
I know lmao
delicate perch
that number would change to whatever the highest download is
lofty depot
650000 / 20 versions =
pallid bay
technically the information is accurate, it wasnt intended to be interpreted as unique users 
eager raft
what did I even say that was rude..
I have very well defined lines of good and evil and right and wrong and I know some folks act in a gray area at times...a neutral space...and you mostly dance around that space
royal zenith
I have very well defined lines of good and evil and right and wrong and I know s...
thanks chatgpt
sour rampart
I have no idea how many unique users download it because obviously not everybody downloads every single version update but even if we take the lowest version number of
50,000 or whatever I'm still pretty happy that I was able to help
delicate perch
I have very well defined lines of good and evil and right and wrong and I know s...
and honestly? that's valid.
(I'm not reading that)
delicate perch
I'm far too white for that..
lofty depot
Well he said ur grey
delicate perch
just my hair
lofty depot
Like the aliens or w.e.
sour rampart
Thank God I'm not bald
delicate perch
real
sour rampart
Yeah sorry My voice to text is having a bad day apparently
pallid bay
I have no idea how many unique users download it because obviously not everybody...
i didnt question your motives for creating it
sour rampart
i didnt question your motives for creating it
Are you being nice to me 😮
royal zenith
did your voice to text also tell you to lie about your numbers
lofty depot
Damn, that was gonna be good
sour rampart
did your voice to text also tell you to lie about your numbers
Yes
Wait I got baited
Objection
delicate perch
sour rampart
Leading question
pallid bay
Are you being nice to me 😮
im just typing shit, neither nice nor mean
sour rampart
I'm going to go back to RLE and find myself timed out for insulting boomies again
But
Oi knows what a pound sign is
royal zenith
makes you wonder why his name is part of the word Stoic
pallid bay
sour rampart
So he's a winner in my book
lofty depot
Oi knows what a pound sign is
i don't see ur mom around here
eager raft
thanks chatgpt
i'm used to toxic discord trolls trying to shit on anyone and everyone, or this might've bothered me lol. it's literally just about numbers. a few toxic people thinking they have a leg up on me, because i dared to say anything or post a meme, in some off topic discord channel... does not compete with the fact that on reddit, the meme got 971 upvotes, 67 shares, 91% upvote rate. your little toxic anklebiting chihuahua routine just can't compete. Sorry.
lucid olive
i'm used to toxic discord trolls trying to shit on anyone and everyone, or this ...
there is no reason to "agree to disagree", am talking facts and data, u talking dreams and hopes
delicate perch
i'm used to toxic discord trolls trying to shit on anyone and everyone, or this ...
Thank you though, for being an incredibly toxic community. this has truly been an experience. i apologize for the audacity of asking a question. i wont let it happen again
eager raft
lofty depot
Respectable will one day come up with his own copy pasta
lucid olive
Respectable will one day come up with his own copy pasta
So you're your saying you have nothing useful to add and are just trying to "LE EPICLLY OWN A NOOB" fucking reddit dork
royal zenith
should add larias in there, but that will just make his ego larger
delicate perch
that one works @ arctic though
royal zenith
"my addon was really useful for a lot of people guise!"
delicate perch
@Gamz nah but no trolls aside.. you are the only one here that got fingers out of these clowns and you can play boomkin on a decent lvl.. you cant tell me boomkin is bad even if you look at the 95% statistics and bullshit..
lucid olive
no...
sour rampart
should add larias in there, but that will just make his ego larger
I'm literally the most humble person here, nobody could out-humble me
lofty depot
Need to take over the doc
delicate perch
I'm literally the most humble person here, nobody could out-humble me
that's actually so humble of you
royal zenith
"it's a checklist made into a vibe-coded addon, truly state of the art!"
sour rampart
Ty
lofty depot
We haven't had good content in ages and he doesn't even add it when it happens
lucid olive
should add larias in there, but that will just make his ego larger
it's by far the most valuable google doc to ever be shared in the WoW community
the copypasta one that is..
eager raft
Deux pipe down
royal zenith
no I need to waste time
delicate perch
Bro shut up. I have no idea who kekkers actually is. But I'm for sure not talking only out of my butt
royal zenith
so I will casually and sarcastically flame people
sour rampart
eager raft
sit there and read
lofty depot
Deux pipe down
Only thing he's piping is ur mom
eager raft
No need for typing
sour rampart
Pin it
delicate perch
Bro shut up. I have no idea who kekkers actually is. But I'm for sure not talkin...
was this @craggy sonnet 
royal zenith
Ill ask your mom respectable
royal zenith
if I want someones opinion
craggy sonnet
Oh. Lol
royal zenith
kekkers do be resto kekkers
craggy sonnet
I think so yeah
delicate perch
poor guy did not deserve that
lofty depot
Clankz is resto kekkers silly
royal zenith
once upon time he was talking supposed facts with healers
now he's making them up by not playing the game
lofty depot
And that's my joke, ty ty
sour rampart
royal zenith
arn't jokes supposed to be funny tho
sour rampart
arn't jokes supposed to be funny tho
Is that why you're not a joke anymore
sour rampart
Never been funny
eager raft
Look man I’m all for flaming Arctic but resto kekkers is actually funny
delicate perch
Blocked the poors. Let's move with our interesting discussions.
eager raft
Sorry you don’t know comedy sweatie @royal zenith
lucid olive
Is that why you're not a joke anymore
you're not a joke either
royal zenith
I barfed a lil
lucid olive
you're the butt of everyone elses
sour rampart
Is deux German
royal zenith
nein
sour rampart
you're the butt of everyone elses
Stop talking about my butt, you're not my type
royal zenith
I do know that americans tend to confuse deutsch with dutch
lucid olive
americans confuse a lot of things
eager raft
hey kekkers
sour rampart
Hey, Americans have brisket for breakfast so get fucked
drifting nova
and if anything germany should rename themself
lucid olive
the fuck is a brisket
royal zenith
I think the irony is forever that New York used to be New Amsterdam
drifting nova
I still dont truly know
sour rampart
the fuck is a brisket
drifting nova
I think the irony is forever that New York used to be New Amsterdam
atleast it wasnt rotterdam
eager raft
You guys don’t even know what to call your own country….
royal zenith
yes we do
drifting nova
holland gang rise
royal zenith
it's the outside world that's clueless tho
lucid olive
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/121880895211831302/1479483836239839332/im...
so its just beef wellington without the layer of mustard and the puff pastry condom?
drifting nova
I now know because of map games where holland is
lofty depot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/121880895211831302/1479483836239839332/im...
The European mind thinks this is burnt
lofty depot
so its just beef wellington without the layer of mustard and the puff pastry con...
No
drifting nova
so its just beef wellington without the layer of mustard and the puff pastry con...
wtf is a beef wellington
eager raft
I think Wellington is typically tenderloin
Brisket is a cut of beef
Part of the cow
lofty depot
Different cut, different cook
lucid olive
wtf is a beef wellington
idk i saw that guy from kitchen nightmares make it on tiktok
sour rampart
Fucking delicious
royal zenith
I dunno but
sour rampart
Even if it pisses off my cardiologist
eager raft
?
lucid olive
leaving out the best part
eager raft
how do you even make it through a day with so little going on up there
drifting nova
no it is
lucid olive
and you're british
drifting nova
telling me you cant shank a rib?
lucid olive
i can shank you
drifting nova
its cause shank is slang for knife
pretty sure you use a knife for all of these cuts
maybe even a saw
sour rampart
Lightsabers are kind of dumb
lucid olive
americans talk about brisket but have never had smalahove
lofty depot
Yes chef
silk shard
Yes chef
drifting nova
americans talk about brisket but have never had smalahove
no wonder your christmas is messed up you're high on sheep
..sheep ..shep
lucid olive
no wonder your christmas is messed up you're high on sheep
we eat pork belly for christmas usually
drifting nova
alexa whats the singular for sheep
lucid olive
i don't really enjoy christmas food so i just eat whatever else is on the table
royal zenith
alexa whats the singular for sheep
shep
drifting nova
sheepe?
royal zenith
shop
lofty depot
What is Christmas food
royal zenith
What is Christmas food
it's basically similar as Thanksgiving day food
aka the irony is kinda strong there
lofty depot
Was gonna say, we have like same shit at Thanksgiving lo
royal zenith
you asking that shit
pallid bay
i'm used to toxic discord trolls trying to shit on anyone and everyone, or this ...
why are you jealous? you prob on a bicycle
lucid olive
why are you jealous? you prob on a bicycle
fuck, i remember that one
lofty depot
Not turkey though, usually just ham
lucid olive
was that the blocked cause poor guy
pallid bay
the goat cbzrifle
delicate perch
god I miss him though
eager raft
why are you jealous? you prob on a bicycle
Box damn that one is from before my time
delicate perch
LMAO
pallid bay
👑
delicate perch
5th on his realm 
royal zenith
that's incredible respectable energy levels
eager raft
sadly I’m only 8th on my realm :/
delicate perch
lucid olive
i'm 25th
and that realm is laughing skull
which has like negative amount of players
delicate perch
I'm 425th... OCE too powerful for me to compete
lucid olive
i'd be rank 1 if i bothered getting the 3.4k
lucid olive
no
lucid olive
no motivation to log in other than to tinker with UI and click peoples recrafts
pallid bay
gg
didnt get all my 10s
eager raft
impressive tbh
drifting nova
can I get a fuck maisara
vale pebble
this is some good shit
vro u werent even there back then
eager raft
Are you in the 3% of +10s that weren’t timed
drifting nova
Are you in the 3% of +10s that weren’t timed
eager raft
Insane
drifting nova
I learned that day that bears can go fuck themself
"surely the first tank I get for my key wont be bad ..right"
eager raft
Look inward
stuck cloud
how does owl cds work now? am i spending inca charges first then play around with eclipses until incar is back up?
pseudo merlin
I'm 425th... OCE too powerful for me to compete
is that including kangaroos
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