balance

[normal pilot]

guess they can just buff OS and bake it into CA then you won't have offgcd damage and can avoid technical engine problems like this

[lucid olive]

true

trinket+starsurge in macro doesn't affect starsurge no

5,613 both times

[normal pilot]

oh ok that works too then

[lucid olive]

the first time i pressed it didn't shoot the surge either

had to double press

[normal pilot]

you just suck up the damage loss if you macro

[lucid olive]

that was with vaelgor tho specifically

[normal pilot]

i guess possible urn behaves diff but would be surprised

[lucid olive]

nah just checked

still 5,613

[normal pilot]

are you able to get a pvp badge on ptr?

[lucid olive]

oh 5,513 actually, equipping chaos urn lost 100 damage

but its lower ilvl

hm okay guess urn worked

just didn't notice it was a 5 at first and not a 6

[lucid olive]

yeah i have it, gonna check solar bolt with it

same result with badge

[hasty mirage]

does this mean its optimal to unmacro trinket?

[lucid olive]

optimal-ish

depends how good you are and how aware you are

its literally just some piss dmg on solar bolt

[normal pilot]

wait hm

it works with pot but not badge

[lucid olive]

its curious how the lunar bolt damage doubled

with badge

but i guess its cause my character naked

[hasty mirage]

i know your stats are whatever right now but how much does it change if you unmacro here

[lucid olive]

what

[hasty mirage]

i see 12636 solar bolt - what does it change to if you trinket then cd in separate presses

[normal pilot]

you get w/e the benefit is, like luanr bolt does

does badge+surge also not buff surge?

[lucid olive]

good thing the badge is 1min cd

or id be here all day

[lucid olive]

17894

on a naked character

important to note

you won't have the same increase on a geared character

but if you want to test that then go spend 2 minutes on a training dummy yourself

[hasty mirage]

no need, i heard gamz said i'll do 40% more damage with this simple trick

[lucid olive]

looks like it did

6,565 from surge with badge

then cancelled badge buff and it did 4,758

[normal pilot]

hmm

[lucid olive]

doesnt matter where the /use 13 is in the macro either

[normal pilot]

what about badge+ecl, not ca

[lucid olive]

Eclipse worked

[normal pilot]

ok, so new-style trinkets are fucked, and ca/inc is fucked

old stuff works fine

[craggy sonnet]

interesting that ecl works

[normal pilot]

game kind of breaks down whenever you have offgcd damage

[lucid olive]

but offgcd cooldowns are also a lot more fun

[craggy sonnet]

these are with/without urn?

[normal pilot]

it's just bad developing, they should be told not to do shit that the game engine doesn't handle

[craggy sonnet]

but why is surge also fricked

if its just about offgcd

[lucid olive]

its not

"new-style trinkets are fucked"

urn=new

badge=not

[craggy sonnet]

ah, so new style trinket + ecl also fricked

[lucid olive]

idk i only tested badge with eclipse

you can log on and test tho, always good with more eyes

i played enough WoW this week (i did 4 keys)

[silk shard]

thanks. i ran into an issue sometimes on long fights where there'd be like 20-30 seconds of downtime if i chained eclipses back to back (with pre-pooling at the end of the previous eclipse) but i recognize that there are probably niche scenarios that can allow for that (ie travel distance downtime in dungeons)

[craggy sonnet]

for quite a while you can do 2 eclipses after every incarn and 1 ecl after every tree+ecl

for the ones where you only get 1 ecl, you dont have to rush it

[lucid olive]

can be a little different in m+

especially when you spend time going between packs

[silk shard]

right

[lucid olive]

i usually like to press Eclipse while i'm dotting

like the tank goes into a pack, I moonfire the pack and then Eclipse on what would otherwise be a dead global while the tank is moving to the pack he's chaining with

[silk shard]

on that note of M+, is there any good way to recover damage per second after a wipe where you've already sent your major cd? (incarn/foe) or just roll with it?

[lucid olive]

don't die

[silk shard]

fair

[lucid olive]

CDs misaligning with what you've planned for the dungeon happens to every class when you wipe

[silk shard]

jealous of classes that can still crank after a tpk and i have to sit there and just filler cast

[lucid olive]

idk it's not a problem i've ran into much

but i am also half asleep in dungeons so

[lucid olive]

as for long fights like mythic Lura there are some specific Eclipse timings

can go on lorrgs.io or whatever and research peoples timers

most people send one after starting memory game and using the instant globals for movement to get in their mark position, and then send the other Eclipse to have movement globals for the beams that happen after each memory game

and after the 3rd memory game you have to start watching your Force of Nature and Convoke cooldowns and hold Eclipse for them, you do to that for 3 Treant+Convoke casts in a row so you have 2 uses of CA during P3

[silk shard]

i doubt i'll see mythic lura this expac but yeah it was interesting plotting my heroic lura p1s, most of the cds/ecl seemed to line up naturally. i think i noticed the issue more in other fights prior to lura, but sometimes i still run into the problem in M+ boss fights that go long

[fathom nebula]

You guys know how i can i get the timers, Addon or Meekauras? 😮

The boomie icons

[true viper]

Timeline reminders

[dense steeple]

Why is chicken playing incarn foe

[lucid olive]

Those are the Weaver talents

[fair pasture]

arent we all playing incarn foe the vast majority of the time

[fathom nebula]

Im playing Convoke on Lura, isnt it a ST fight?

I havent gotten further than P2 and im calling myself out for winging it atm 😄

[dense steeple]

Its Lura you dont wanna

[fair pasture]

truuu

[lofty depot]

well now it is

people played incarn early

[lucid olive]

Convoke a bit more consistent

But I think both are good

The boss will die anyway

[silk shard]

Gamz would you say more often than not when playing weaver that it should be paired with incarn for more damage window time to fit all the gcds?

saw your comment above and it made sense

[lucid olive]

nah you can play convoke with weaver as well, thats good too

but if youre going for that damage profile you might as well play rattle right

but you're not wrong either, incarn isn't as big of a loss with weaver than it is for rattle

and it shifts your dmg profile to be slower since it relies more on Shooting Stars procs

[silk shard]

i personally preferr having more buttons to press but sometimes it feels like active abilities conflicts with the mental load of either trash/boss mechanics requiring dodging or not having enough gcds to fit everything i want in the damage window

which goes back to your write up on wowhead

[lucid olive]

yeah it's been an issue since keeper was introduced

[silk shard]

i felt like even back in DF, rattle was too rewarding as a passive compared to weaver's "active/reactive" style

[lucid olive]

i think Dream Burst is the worst one for it

[silk shard]

i really wish dream burst would activate from starsurges too

[lucid olive]

since any builder global that isn't Wrath or Starfire is bad inside your Treants window

yeha i mean, the talent is called Dream Surge..

[lofty depot]

Shit opinion

[lucid olive]

the shift over to TWW was strange

cause it just flipped our dmg profile completely

[silk shard]

from ramp to pure upfront?

[lucid olive]

DF wasn't ramp

ramp assumes a peak

[silk shard]

my memory of DF is already fuzzy tbh

[lucid olive]

rank 1 on nymue

its just flat

[lofty depot]

DF ass for play style tbf

[lucid olive]

heres my rank 3 on dathea in the awakened season

compare that to manaforge

[lofty depot]

That's peak right there

[silk shard]

sheesh

[meager storm]

i remember that pull

[lucid olive]

[silk shard]

felt like TWW S3 setbonuses also were kinda ridiculous

[lucid olive]

undermine was the same

[meager storm]

back when full moon did dmg

[lucid olive]

undermine was frontloaded

[silk shard]

i miss the jackpot shrooms

[lucid olive]

i dont

[meager storm]

wait full moon actually did 2x the dmg of surge back then

[lucid olive]

i don't think dmg was the reason you went moons

you could just cycle it with pulsar consistently

[silk shard]

yeah lemme correct my statement, i miss incarn/ca giving a guaranteed shroom burst

[meager storm]

it was pulsar

[lofty depot]

Hitting 150mil surges, bring me back

[meager storm]

but ye

just saying the dmg was also good

[lofty depot]

That only mattered cuz of waning

U don't miss it

[lucid olive]

it was more the 4set than waning i think

[silk shard]

i don't miss waning, but it was a gcd free full shroom

[lucid olive]

Undermine was the best tier in War Within though

not even close either

[meager storm]

real

[dull dust]

Stix best boss ever created

[silk shard]

i did have the most fun in s2 as well

[lucid olive]

the zone banged and the raid banged

[lofty depot]

Fake

[lucid olive]

the same was also true in DF imo

Aberrus was the best season

[lofty depot]

Manaforge was peak

[meager storm]

no shot

df s3 was better

[lucid olive]

nah

[silk shard]

tbh not having the buggies in the sand dunes of s3 was wasted opportunity

[dull dust]

every raid after lich king was bad

[lucid olive]

ok grandpa

[lofty depot]

Dak opinion ignored until he kills Lura on druid

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

[dull dust]

get rekt dak

[silk shard]

i remember running a lot of gdkps during lich king to earn gold

people paying stupid amounts for DFO and DBW

[lucid olive]

Dak should start firing up aimlabs so he can hit stampeding roar and innervate at the same time

[meager storm]

[craggy sonnet]

was that a thing back then?

[silk shard]

yeah, it was, especially at the tail end of wotlk

[lucid olive]

yes

[silk shard]

esp before cata pre-patch

i think even after ruby sanctum launch

maybe it also depended on server pop

[craggy sonnet]

i cant remember but feel like i at least never engaged in it back then

[silk shard]

my gm would run even two gdkp pugs on saturdays for 25man normal ICC

this was back when like... hamlet was still writing the boomkin guides

with like.... wrathcalcs lmfao

[lucid olive]

i played a private server back then that didn't have weekly lockouts

did ICC like 6 times in a day

loot every time

good times

[acoustic zealot]

Only real ones know about the .i u all command so u could do hella ICC clears on pservers

[cursive mirage]

who let this mage in here

[lucid olive]

yeah idk i don't..

i was 15 and couldn't afford retail, played a private server with 500x rates

item drop rates, XP rates etc

[cursive mirage]

jail

[acoustic zealot]

Just a command that resets instance lockouts

[lucid olive]

had a taxi NPC that let you go anywhere you wanted

make new character and take taxi to a few places and youre max level

it was fun

[acoustic zealot]

One day blizz will create a funserver at this rate for people to toy with

[lucid olive]

nah, retail gearing is easy enough..

[dull dust]

WHO LET THESE BIRDS IN HERE

@rare shoal

[rare shoal]

Objectively wrong opinion

[dull dust]

wym

name another boss u could run over ur warlocks repetitively and ruin their parse

[lucid olive]

cant argue with that

[rare shoal]

I am an aug this option is always available

Its called I take the oneshot mechanic onto them because I will live and they wont

[inner pilot]

why isnt the boomkin wowanalyzer up to date? i thought we had leaders in here helping us lemmings?!

[lucid olive]

ignore the disclaimer

its good for looking at your timeline and some other stuff

but some of the logic in the first page is wrong

the rest is just showing different buffs in a new way

[inner pilot]

i am trying to be the best boomkin i can be and trying to identify where i struggle so i can fix it. my damage is pretty much dogshit. i might be good 1st minute of the encounter but slowly drop compared to everyone else

[lucid olive]

you can send a log in here and someone will probably look at it

its a shame wowanalyzer isnt fully updated but the people who update it do it for free

and moonkin not a very popular spec to theorycraft so it goes without updates

[inner pilot]

i am also using my healing gear and swaping out a few pieces to get less haste and more crit/mastery but part of my problem i think is my itemization is off

[lucid olive]

i would look at how youre using your cooldowns and if you're getting enough casting uptime

those are the most common reasons people do bad dam

[inner pilot]

yeah i need something that tells me my eclipse is over/almsot over so i can pop a new one

ive noticed that myself i miss that its over

[lucid olive]

you dont really wanna do that either, you just don't want Eclipse to sit at 2 charges

[dull dust]

next patch our rework will be goatef

[lucid olive]

you can read through the compendium guide linked in the channel description if you want

ctrl+f on that website and type "easy mode"

[inner pilot]

its confusing to me that i have eclipse and celestial alignment.

[lucid olive]

then open that and read, plus the "how to play eclipse" part below it

[inner pilot]

yeah ive read it. i dont always comprehend everything. i just feel like i should be at least green parse and mine are always gray

[dull dust]

if eclipse is 1 eye

does that make s
celestial alignment crossing ur eyes

[lucid olive]

no its an intense stare

[silk shard]

in base cdm you can add sound alerts or visual marching ants to your eclipse button being available, but if you're using bcdm or anything else to track it, it helps to have it in a visible spot. i set mine to every time eclipse gains 1 charge

[dull dust]

does cheese souffle sound good

[silk shard]

yes it does

[lucid olive]

no

is that the new gas station tech

[silk shard]

oh. yeah i guess context for the souffle is also important

[lucid olive]

wtf is henry doing there

[dull dust]

idk

mabey bro likes souffles

or more likely they gave him money

Messi on this one

[lucid olive]

no Haaland?

[craggy sonnet]

you mean the fmage one? cause fat owl surely not getting anything

[dull dust]

theres ones for richie/nathan

and David

no haaland

[lucid olive]

why you first naming them

lots of blokes named nathan..

[dull dust]

sec

[lucid olive]

didnt know saliba was canadian

[dull dust]

we don't have these in store just sign

[lucid olive]

no clue who richie is

[dull dust]

same

[pulsar goblet]

kekw

[ripe slate]

main swapping to aug so I can be blizzard’s favorite child for once

[loud kettle]

Huge druid changes

[normal pilot]

class is too perfect

[lofty depot]

why we buffing feral

[normal pilot]

it was less than perfect but now it is

[lofty depot]

have they considered working on their uptime

i heard they lose a lot of damage when theyre not in range

[lucid olive]

Feral is already good in m+ maybe they can be meta

[dull dust]

what a terrible day to have eyes

[delicate perch]

M+ is a minigame and died weeks ago

[tardy fiber]

bumkin SS tier we don't need buff

[nimble tangle]

boomie is strong asf

oh yeah

no nerf is a great gift to boomie, we must thank blizzard

[copper gate]

I hope we get hit with a 15% aura nerf so that only the true boomkin loyalists stick around

[meager storm]

ight nuke this guy

[drifting nova]

5% spell crit when

or was it haste I forgetti

[craggy sonnet]

Moonkin aura you mean?

Crit

[exotic tide]

I tried to do a simple search, so forgive me if this is known/asked a lot:

we have had many keys now where the first instance of damage on a mob is the set bonus from the nxp rings
I've just acquired them on my chicken, and now I'm concerned how to avoid pulling unintended mobs with the set
sometimes the mobs pulled are out of LoS, or wayy out of range from abilities to hit, and logs confirm the only instance of damage is the ring set (until the mobs get closer and regular abilities have to be used because the mobs are obviously aggro'd)

is this a known issue? affecting only certain classes? is chicken among them? what about other druid specs? is it possible to control and/or avoid them?

[rare shoal]

🧢

[hollow mist]

WE'RE SAVED

[dense steeple]

Iirc, I could be wrong, but if my brain is working correctly this only happens if youre targeting that mob, so like if youreclicking nameplate to change target and you accidentally click one not in combat, etc.

I have not seen myself pull anything in any key and ive been wearing the rings for weeks

[nova ocean]

Is feral druid a hero talent now cause the tuning said buffing underperforming hero talents

Guess they did say primarily focused

[snow elm]

man i wish boomie was reworked to suck in raid and be best in m+

:[

that way i can do keys and i wont get dragged into prog only boss reclears :]

now it suck in raid and m+....

[vernal pollen]

That sounds like the worst of both worlds 😳

[normal pilot]

just play bear

[nova ocean]

Or get in a guild that doesn't need a useless spec for mythic lura just to fill a 20man roster

Me and my guilds feral druid r just chilling watching our guild wipe 300+ and counting

[slim iris]

Just usin slang guys

[snow elm]

how to get ressy 21

get ressy 21 on bear

and then force ur way in ur own resil keys as boomie

[meager storm]

ight nuke this guy too

[lofty depot]

just not true but go off

[meager storm]

we have gone back to back tiers being on the upper half

this is a miracle

[lofty depot]

real

[meager storm]

with weaver

[scarlet holly]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1QWJGQiC9xGqWgyXdEUizr

Debating on crafting shit on myth level vs leveling my myth slots up, what yall think?\

I was gonna do rings first, but no main stat so more worth to upgrade tier slots first I think

[lofty depot]

why r we simming 3t 3m

[scarlet holly]

No clue bro

Im acoustic asf

[lofty depot]

also why is it a choice to craft mythic level stuff

vs upgrading mythic slots

crests are uncapped

[scarlet holly]

Yea IK, dumb question

But on the first point

Rings last fair? since no int

jewelry*

[lofty depot]

no

its not fair

[scarlet holly]

bc higher secondary?

[fair pasture]

He gonna say "just upgrade everything"

[lofty depot]

have u simmed upgrading them or

also ur simming like all haste

and assuming its correct or

[scarlet holly]

I was simming haste vs mas

and no I didnt

If its gonna be better to just ugrade current, I'm not gonna even sim the upgrades, just gonna slam 12's and upgrade a piece per run

If thats the incorrect way to sim enchants lmk, I suck at it. Also, I did 3 tar 3 min bc its M+ build, again not sure if correct or not

[lofty depot]

what pack in m+ is 3t3m

[scarlet holly]

Well

For example

Paladins in raid

[lofty depot]

ok

that fight isnt 3m

[scarlet holly]

Pretty much runningsame build in there

[lofty depot]

but its not really the point

[scarlet holly]

For our guild it is lmao

[lofty depot]

on heroic or

[scarlet holly]

yea

[lofty depot]

..

[scarlet holly]

Goin into myth this week

IK

lmao

[lofty depot]

kk so back to the point

doing random target sims with patchwork isnt how u sim m+

[scarlet holly]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CLpVGYNX1F6WT349?fight=27&type=damage-done

ok

[lofty depot]

yea idc about ur kill time in heroic

[scarlet holly]

IK im just showing what im workin with

im listenin

[lofty depot]

well im not simming my character for a heroic boss

ur also not simming it like that for m+ based on heroic timing

[scarlet holly]

yeah, thats why i was tryna just sim "M+"

[lofty depot]

read the faq on simming m+

well its not how u sim m+

[scarlet holly]

I understand that now lol thats why i came here

[lofty depot]

but yes, the eye of eagle enchant will sim higher

but ur gear just needs to be upgraded

and then u start making those minmax decisions

ur missing like 7-8 ilvls from all ur gearing

[scarlet holly]

One of these 2?

[lofty depot]

ur also missing trinkets being 298

i said read the faq

scroll up

[scarlet holly]

yep, Gaze hopefully from rolls on mon/tuesday and vaelgors when/if we get there, but IK Hero vaelgors is sick still until mythic

[lofty depot]

what did u spend ur rerolls on

should have one of them by now

[scarlet holly]

I dont have mythic bc we havent gone into mythic

And been fulltime work/school until now (summer) so havent had time to pug mythic

Was originally planning to run resto on this, so spent a bunch in NPX, so thats where rings, cloak, boots, gloves, weapon and some more are from

never rolled in raid

And also Chest

Think thats it

And 1x in Algathar for puzzle for when I fuck around on cat/bear

[lofty depot]

so we roll for fun

kk is fine

[scarlet holly]

yee

Also, based on what is in Faq, Ill stick to 5min 1 tar patchwerk. How do I put in the balance apl/do I need to

[lofty depot]

u dont need to

[scarlet holly]

Sick, That's the last question basically, Ill trust ur info and slap the eagle eye enchants on now

[lofty depot]

well u dont need to trust my info

u should go sim the 3 enchants and see it

[scarlet holly]

Tru i can sim it

[lofty depot]

the point was u didnt sim it

[silk shard]

does goldrinn procs not show up in details? do i have to look for it on logs?

[lofty depot]

on details no

logs is under surge

[silk shard]

rip

thanks

[lofty depot]

u need to check always use aswell

also press that unless told otherwise

[scarlet holly]

Ill make sure to change settings, Im running a sim without them changed right now but will make sure gem is equipped

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qoTNCivqMVnWhry6J6s6NS

Got me swapping back to mastery flask too

[lofty depot]

worried about the wrong thing

this doesnt mean that ur flask matters

[dull dust]

its all 0s

🥚

[delicate perch]

Okay league player

[lofty depot]

rip

[livid meteor]

damn no class tuning rip

[lofty depot]

what u need tuning for

[livid meteor]

idk boomie just feels like garbage this expac ill be honest, been playing other classes hoping for changes

just saw big changes for a few classes hoping there was some balance druid lumped in there too I guess

[lofty depot]

tragic take

[livid meteor]

https://mythicstats.com/dps

[lofty depot]

probably m+er

yea figures

[livid meteor]

ya

imaginne not being able to play balance druid in high keys

devs are fried

[lofty depot]

well u can

u just think meta matters

[loud kettle]

Yea m+ playerbase is fried

[lofty depot]

boomkins have done 21s and 22s

top top is 22/23

[livid meteor]

I also have 8 mythic bosses down, doesnt change the fact that balance feels the worst its been in a while

[loud kettle]

Feeling is subjective so sure

[lofty depot]

tragic u feel its worse than the 2/4 last seaons which were way worse

[livid meteor]

yea fun is also a feeling that is nice to experience, ill just wait

[loud kettle]

You're not being held hostage

Play something fun if boomy isnt

[livid meteor]

I do

[loud kettle]

Good

[livid meteor]

no u

you guys say this like majority of boomie mains arent saying the same thing lol

[strong musk]

Ishnu-alah everyone! 🌙

I’m new to Balance Druid, and I’d like to know if I should actually be using Frenzied Regeneration. Is it really worth it?

Here’s the macro I’m using (FR version):
#showtooltip Régénération frénétique
/castsequence !Forme d'ours, Régénération frénétique, !Forme de sélénien

The problem is that I feel like the time spent:

switching into Bear Form --> casting Frenzied Regeneration,-->then going back into Moonkin Form,
ends up making me take more damage overall than the spell actually heals. So… what should I do? 🤔

(sorry, i trad this with google)

[lofty depot]

boomkin not being bottom 5 and being middle is bad or

and m+er opinions on class being good or bad is cringe regardless

cuz they think u can only play 4 specs cuz "meta"

[loud kettle]

Yes frenzied regeneration is worth it, but not necessarily every single time you enter bear

[lofty depot]

well when ur gonna die ull lose more damage than if u were to sit bear

[livid meteor]

has nothing to do with meta and everything to do with the playstyle this expansion, I push keys but I also mythic raid idk what you're talking about

[loud kettle]

especially in cases where you leave with less hp than you started with, because the alternative was probably dying in that case

[lofty depot]

ok so what about hte playstyle do u not like

[strong musk]

make sense

[lofty depot]

and if funny guy says i dont like pressing eclipse

[strong musk]

i'm lvl 22, means later i can use it without bear form ? (if i understand)

[noble wharf]

I am a fan of Fluid Form to get back into moonkin without using the global, pair with eclipse for the instant cast for more flexibility when using a cancel aura macro to break snares / slows.

[lofty depot]

no

[strong musk]

damned

[loud kettle]

You misunderstand. You can only ever use it in bear (as balance druid), i just mean you dont need to frenzied regeneration every time you enter bear form

[strong musk]

oh yeah i know that, just wanna say, it's take time to bear forme, frenzied and moonkin again 🥲

[livid meteor]

well, pressing eclipse IS trash. every class got QOL except boomkin this expansion btw. class is gcd starved, just is what it is. boring to play now, not rewarding gameplay

[lofty depot]

yea because pressing 2 starfires was so not trash

gcd starved?

boring?

playing weaver for the first time in 3 years while we palyed convoke and rattle for that time

[strong musk]

https://tenor.com/view/eee-feather-feather-eee-excellent-entities-feather-feather-excellent-entities-extraordinarily-excellent-entities-feather-gif-5807527967917784755

[lofty depot]

not rewarding to optimize your damage in eclipse

[loud kettle]

What does it even mean to be gcd starved man

[strong musk]

thx for the tips btw

[loud kettle]

This is a caster spec

[lofty depot]

feral player plays boomkin

[round field]

???????

first time ive ever heard someone call any caster gcd starved

[strong musk]

I guess that’s a personal opinion

[loud kettle]

The rest makes sense even if i dont necessarily agree

[lofty depot]

how do u have no gcds when u have infinite ability to cast spells cuz they dont cost anything

[loud kettle]

Gcd starved is literally nonsensical as far as I can see

[strong musk]

i dont know, i'm lvl 22 🥲

[lofty depot]

well u know what the word opinion means

thats not one

imagine trying to enter eclipse during glaives

[strong musk]

Don’t know what glaives is yet

[lofty depot]

wasnt talking to u

[strong musk]

[livid meteor]

[craggy sonnet]

That macro ain't it, chief.
Frenzied Regeneration just vanishes if you immediately swap back to moonkin

[slender island]

i find this kind of take really absurd, boomy is so fun right now, eclipse is a bit weird? maybe, but it's definitely better than the previous iteration where you had to press two awkward builders to go back into it; and as arctic said being able to play weaver is so good

it is fantastic that there are so many viable builds right now, both hero talents are playable, and i for one enjoy having more than just 3 buttons to press like most other classes

[haughty sparrow]

For someone who didnt play caster before, Boomkin is really awkward with eclipse. I Think it would be good if it was off gcd.

[delicate perch]

best I can do is 2x hard casting spells

[drifting nova]

deal

[drifting nova]

easily solvable just make it your first caster

[strong musk]

[lofty depot]

Yea if it was off gcd it be worse

[craggy sonnet]

so much worse

[inland ore]

boomy not catching a buff, smh

[lofty depot]

What u need a buff for

[drifting nova]

melee would be good

[lofty depot]

Also it's funny people want boomy to be good in m+ when EC just isn't fun to play

[drifting nova]

this iteration isnt, sure

starfall spam iant it

[lofty depot]

Its not like last season was much better

[delicate perch]

they never say fun though

[drifting nova]

it was

[craggy sonnet]

as if there is actually that much of a difference between ec and kotg

[lofty depot]

No, they just care it is giga top and does all the damage

[drifting nova]

generating (via a piss weak starfire) just to spam starfall for majority of damage

isnt fun

[lofty depot]

That's....

[drifting nova]

turns out the focal point of ec is starfire..not starfall

[lofty depot]

Also just means starfall isn't strong enough

[drifting nova]

apex are fake talents

[lofty depot]

But they never want to buff it enough

[drifting nova]

its THE strongest ec ability

its why ec sucks

[lofty depot]

It's funny they have apex talents to buff certain things right. But never buff our apex talents they buff the class

[craggy sonnet]

man .. what are you even yapping about. starfall has nothing to do with ec

[drifting nova]

as a proportion of damage

[craggy sonnet]

ok .. crazy, your spender is the strongest ability

thats the same for keeper

[drifting nova]

but they do very different things

[craggy sonnet]

do they

[drifting nova]

yes

starfall ec is balls

starfire ec stomps all over it

except starfire is alot weaker now than it was last xpac

[craggy sonnet]

??

does that change anything about your gameplay?

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/ohno-smh-wrong-no-gif-20802904

[craggy sonnet]

you are still spending ap

[craggy sonnet]

cant spend more ap than you generate

[drifting nova]

clank less, read more

[craggy sonnet]

what does that have to do with your random yap

are you not casting starfire?

are you casting it less than last season?

[drifting nova]

..

almost going to start day drinking

how you do damage is vital for how you enjoy the spec

starfall being the primary damaging ability in ec is why it feels shit

[craggy sonnet]

[lofty depot]

see im talking about this

[drifting nova]

starfall being a support spell was fine

it being a MAIN spell is not

[drifting nova]

its just not fun enough

both to use and see

[lofty depot]

both talents were added this expac.... both have different values.... they can make ecs do more

[delicate perch]

does @eager raft need to post the kekkers warning meme

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/dean-winchester-wink-super-natural-gif-8805833858082352825

kotg doesnt now and didnt last xpac have the same focality for wrath as ec does for starfire

[lofty depot]

now i gotta get my rant ready for the feedback post

i forgot about this

[drifting nova]

create hero talent focused around ONE spell

relegate it to a support spell

[lofty depot]

well main gripe is that ours nevr get buffed

[pseudo merlin]

Why is the clanker arguing with kekkers

[craggy sonnet]

kekkers powers are vast .. it is hard to resist

[drifting nova]

this is before you get to the eclipse shit show

this is just hero talent changes

[pseudo merlin]

clankz is new here or

[drifting nova]

starfire is a wet noodle

[delicate perch]

kekkers is just kinda OP at baiting

[pseudo merlin]

Kekkers you're a wet noodle

[tardy fiber]

nah, it wasn't. It ruins class legacy if you spender is weaker than filler. Even for EC.

[delicate perch]

sometimes he'll catch me and I'll realise too late

[drifting nova]

in this heat? I dont think os

fuck class legacy

tww broke that

[pseudo merlin]

Aye he is pretty good at it

[drifting nova]

starfall would be better less as a spender

take it way back to a cd

[tardy fiber]

they just need buff foe for ec more

[craggy sonnet]

to make it better in m+ you mean?

[lofty depot]

yes

[drifting nova]

starfall being a 2m cd

or maybe it 90s

even if ec was a top 3 meta spec

and starfall did 10x more

[craggy sonnet]

shut it already kekkers

[drifting nova]

itd still feel like arse

[craggy sonnet]

sure.
is starfall an issue in raid right now tho?

they could buff many things if they wanted to

[lofty depot]

they thought it would be lol

[craggy sonnet]

i mean obv clueless

wcyd

[drifting nova]

could make natures balance a passive

[craggy sonnet]

buffing specs already broken

[drifting nova]

frees up a point

[lofty depot]

but also our hero talents never get buffed

[drifting nova]

hero talents are so last xpac

[craggy sonnet]

they are so happy with our hero talents

[drifting nova]

we're on apex now

[craggy sonnet]

at least both see play

they usually only touch them if one is like never played

[lofty depot]

most havent been touched since the 0.5 from first season lol

but yea the point of these those funny starfall/surge talents

should be to make one better at it surelyt

[drifting nova]

dont even know where they are in the tree

[lofty depot]

the new talents in the hero tree

bottom right

[tardy fiber]

'we add 3 more hero talents, 2 fillers, 1 previous set. We did a good job'

[drifting nova]

oh the passives

[craggy sonnet]

if they see that required, sure

also they are not equal right now .. so

[lofty depot]

i said that

but also the keeper one is higher on starfall

so is just funny

[near arch]

Guys i have a question about trinkets, can u help me?

i have Gaze of the Alnseer

But no Vaelgor's Final Stare

Soulcatcher's Charm or Emberwing Feather what is better

[lofty depot]

sim it

[near arch]

how

[lofty depot]

google.com

[pseudo merlin]

Why is your link lying

That's youtube

[loud kettle]

I clicked the link and now I cant log in to my email

[lucid olive]

i clicked the link and got logged into crazy's email

[loud kettle]

Wait a second

Get out of there

[normal pilot]

quick leak the release date for crazymeow 5

[somber mango]

Hey, previous feral spec, trying balance. The rotation is a bit confusing to me because they seem to contradict each other a lot. Anyone have a link to the best rotation?

M+

[normal pilot]

dreamgrove or wowhead if you don't mind all the clicking

[somber mango]

wowhead isn't very clear, I'll try dreamgrove!

[lucid olive]

what's unclear about it

[heavy adder]

I've read the wowhead one. The actual explination of the rotation and the ability list seems to contradict itself sometimes

[raw fox]

when

[lucid olive]

do you have any examples

[drifting nova]

dot, wrath, dump

[lucid olive]

i am not trying to make a slight or set up to be rude or whatever, it's just difficult to get the full picture as the guide writer

especially for wowhead

[somber mango]

I'm still pretty new overall, but it seems to say to start with moonfire in one place, but start with wrath in another. It also seems to swap on whether to use Elune's Fury or Incarnation first.

[lucid olive]

yeah that doesn't tell me anything cause i can't find that

[somber mango]

The dreamgrove one is clearer in that wrath is more of bonus damage for the opener, so that makes more sense

[somber mango]

I think I might be confusing the opener and priorities

[lucid olive]

yeah thats possible

the opener is also more symbolic than anything, after you do the 2-3 Wrath casts and combat starts you want to start on the priority list

[somber mango]

ohhh gotcha

so can I fill in 3 wraths before everything is pulled? because it also said moonfire before everything is together

[lucid olive]

you can wrath before combat starts

[somber mango]

okay

[lucid olive]

Moonfire before everything is together is an M+ thing

where you pull one pack into other packs

but you're already in combat then

[somber mango]

ohhh so I should be the one pulling?

[lucid olive]

no thats not what im saying

you don't really bother casting Wrath pre-pull in m+

[drifting nova]

you dont even cast wrath

[lucid olive]

unless its a boss and you can cast them while you see the tank is running to the pack

[somber mango]

ohhh okay okay that helps

[craggy sonnet]

shut it

[lucid olive]

those casts make such little difference

[somber mango]

I didn't know if I needed to hit solar eclipse or not

[craggy sonnet]

if you play elunes chosen, you cannot hit solar eclipse

[drifting nova]

I KNOW

[somber mango]

gotcha!

[drifting nova]

thats why you dont use wrath

[somber mango]

okay oaky that makes more sense

[craggy sonnet]

i think it is still the thing that the elunes chosen checkbox does not change the opener tab on the rotation page

[heavy adder]

So is the balance opener basically just spread moonfire for m+?

[drifting nova]

on round up, yeah

[somber mango]

Yeah the opener includes Force of Nature which I know is Keeper of the Grove

[lucid olive]

cause an EC opener doesnt exist on the page

checkbox isnt broken

[craggy sonnet]

im just saying that might be what they were hung up on

[lucid olive]

unfortunate

i was trying to fix opener page last month but i spent 3 hours and i think i broke the page like 5 times

maybe for season 2

[craggy sonnet]

can maybe just add some kinda exclaimer that this is for kotg only

[lucid olive]

like the line below the opener you mean

saying its a sample for keeper

[craggy sonnet]

uhh, possibly?

[lucid olive]

gg

[craggy sonnet]

i didnt look too closely

but yes

[lucid olive]

there's a bunch of stuff i'd like to do but the page is confusing to work with and operating within the template is borderline impossible for current moonkin

only allowed 2 checkboxes in rotation for example

[craggy sonnet]

thats been different in the past, or?

[lucid olive]

yes

[craggy sonnet]

feel like i remember there being a dozen checkboxes

[lucid olive]

the TWW one had like 8

[craggy sonnet]

ye

[lucid olive]

i do get why they want to limit it though

and i could probably ask and be allowed to make changes since the spec is like it is

so it's not 100% a wowhead fault

but i'm new to it + i've been busy with lots of irl shit

so i've kinda shelfed it until the 12.1 update

cause that'll drop late summer when i have lots of time to focus on how to make the page better

[craggy sonnet]

's all good

if there is any confusion, people can come asking anyways

[lucid olive]

yeah i mean, the information on wowhead rotation is basically the same as compendium

but worded differently here and there

and the idea behind less checkboses is basically to consolidate the rotation page to cover only the recommended talent builds

which is why moonkin is special

cause there are like 8 of them

i can probably copy some of the stuff i wrote for Dreamgrove collapsibles and put in boxes

but nobody scrolls down to read it anyway

[charred mango]

bird took us 25 pulls, excited to see how many lura will be

[round field]

probably more than 25

[charred mango]

t r u e

especially if you count the pulls where we're getting everyone's notes and kick macros working

[rare shoal]

@lofty depot Your TC is a pres main

[lucid olive]

who

[rare shoal]

Chancel

Homie is a pres main now

Cant pick a struggle

[mighty mica]

who

[lofty depot]

hes not my tc

[rare shoal]

He belongs to someone

I cant be incharge of him perma

[lucid olive]

asked

[mighty mica]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-femboy-gif-26334068

[rare shoal]

He asked me if he should be a pres

[unkempt fiber]

Any quick braines that can give me some education on these 2 logs for M + magister.. and what i can improve, dont know if it the team comp or me making mistakes..
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1LhYVNTrR87jxqJp?fight=2&type=damage-done
137K -overall

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3HM9xWjKwhLp7kNX?fight=1&type=damage-done
127K-overall

Thanks in advacne

[lofty depot]

why r u double incarning first pull

this shit dead or

then u dont dot 9 mobs

u pulled 4 of these and ran into the door. didnt dot until u walked into the room

and only dotted 6 of said 9

dying loses a lot of damage, especially in incarn

ur sequence was fine before, this all over the place

on st ur often not using ur procs correctly or at all and munching them

both starfalls from starweaver and cosmos procs

u munched cosmos on 2 boss a bunch and after munching sent surge

[dull dust]

I thought u loved me

https://tenor.com/view/ok-cat-thumbs-up-cat-cry-thumbs-up-crying-cat-ok-cat-gif-5747260357834857776

[lofty depot]

unforch

[dull dust]

this is going into my diary

[lofty depot]

down that hall u shouldnt be using foe until ur incarn

u then didnt press foe at all during said incarn

[drifting nova]

you can write?

[dull dust]

no

its a notepad and I get ai to Write it for me

[rare shoal]

Arctic loves nobody you shoulda known

[unkempt fiber]

thank you for the feedback @lofty depot

[proven bobcat]

you guys using heart of the wild as a heal?

[lofty depot]

not usually no

[obtuse sedge]

as a freshly leveled (full champion gear) balance druid with all of my bonus rolls available, what would be the best dungeon to send them for maximizing gear for balance?

I know Seat has basically every single slot of gear, but the stats are honestly kinda bad, but then there's nexus point that has the weapon and rings, but also has smaller loot pool of things

[lucid olive]

nexus point, windrunner and skyreach have generally deceent items

probably get enitirety of nexus point loot pool

can't really go wrong there

[obtuse sedge]

that's what i figured too. Staff and rings are great, and the other pieces I can catalyst

[fair pasture]

What's a TC

[lucid olive]

theorycrafter

[fair pasture]

Ah

[ionic oak]

FCs are better though

[mighty mica]

no

[ionic pagoda]

Am i like super mega bad or whats up? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hcy7nNgqwRAzm9HV?fight=last&type=summary

xD

[fickle mist]

264 is your issue

[ionic pagoda]

So im not doing major bad shit? xD

[main pivot]

I'm a feral main dabbling in balance and eclipse confuses me. Are we supposed to have it active during the gather and dot phase? I know we want it up almost always

[lucid olive]

You always want to have damage for the moment all the mobs are gathered, but you can fit in an Eclipse during the tank gathering at the start if you're capped on charges or if you have Incarn ready (and not gonna desync with trinket) and Eclipse will be at 2 charges before the effect is over

Does that make sense

Incarn is 20 seconds so if you're going to a pack, you're at 1 charge and the other charge is like 25 seconds then you can probably press the Eclipse first

[main pivot]

so the first pull on windrunner when I have all the juice and a macro with Incarnate and Emberwing Feather

[lofty depot]

ur sending foe incorrectly a lot

[lucid olive]

Hos much of that Eclipse you want to ride out also depends on the Incarn timer

[lofty depot]

ur also sending starfire when full asp at the start of eclipse and should be dumping asp

[main pivot]

my habit as feral is never to attack early because the CC from stealth rake messes up the pull and I'm better off just waiting for the gather

[lofty depot]

well thats not true for boomkin

[lucid olive]

Yeah I'm just perma watching my tanks character and pressing Moonfire on whatever he pulls

[main pivot]

makes sense

[lucid olive]

First like 6 seconds of a big pull is playing nameplate whack-a-mole with Moonfire

[main pivot]

and THEN you incarn if able or eclipse if not

[lucid olive]

Ye

[ionic pagoda]

So i shouldnt send it on CD?

[lucid olive]

But can Eclipse during the Moonfire part if your Eclipse is sitting at 2 charges or is gonna sit at 2 charges soon

[main pivot]

I think that makes sense @lucid olive . I can just think of it like Tiger's Fury / Berzerk windows but I add in mouseover moonfire on maintenance

rgr

[lofty depot]

i didnt say that

but there are times u wouldnt

but u shouldve likely not pressed incarn 5 seconds prior to it being up

but its likely a low key problem

[ionic pagoda]

Ahh

[lofty depot]

ur not lowering the cd enough between pulls :/

[ionic pagoda]

what does that mean xD

[lofty depot]

read lunation prob

[fresh salmon]

is it really important to press fury of elune and then send all cds? or it's whatever

like if I do incarn and then fury am I trolling or it's fine

[craggy sonnet]

If fury was ready, then you should press it firsz

[lofty depot]

its necessarily a bad gcd

[ionic pagoda]

Ahh, well that one shows that i should kinda send it on cd to get more overall uses no?

[lofty depot]

it doesnt do a lot of damage so its used as a modifier

[lofty depot]

well if u wouldnt have it when u pressed incarn

thats not true

[craggy sonnet]

If it's not ready but you are otherwise in good conditions to press incarn, I would press it

[main pivot]

k, I read the pin faq. In Elune's Chosen do we just take Wrath off the bar?

[fresh salmon]

ok ty

[lofty depot]

but also i didnt say u shouldnt do that, i said that u shouldve likely sent incarn later

[craggy sonnet]

Why?

[lofty depot]

if u pressed it and it was 8 seconds later that ur pressing incarn

[craggy sonnet]

Don't you get decent coverage of exposure via OB as well

[lofty depot]

suhc as long runs

well theyre not playing ob

[lucid olive]

Justice for Sundered Firmament

[lofty depot]

so

ur also afk during birb

[craggy sonnet]

Then it matters even less?

[lofty depot]

<1 blocked message>

[craggy sonnet]

[dull dust]

<1 blocked message>

<1 blocked message>

[lofty depot]

u also seem to be prioing starfire

and not starfall

mainly shown here

and here

also sending that starfall outside of eclipse

but this was what i was talking about u either shouldve casted a starfire then pressed foe inc

hers another fun one

same thing here

so its on cd

u go into boss and instantly slam

just wait surely

[ionic pagoda]

Well starfire has 1.9 sec cast time sometimes i get full resource while casting xD its weird

[lofty depot]

ur already 50% when u press that starfall

u have asp for another

ur not pressing it

ur also full asp a lot of the times while doing it

[ionic pagoda]

Yea thats what im saying

[lofty depot]

i dont think u understand what i said

[ionic pagoda]

feels like forever to cast starfire

[lofty depot]

ur pressing starfire when u should be pressing starfall

[ionic pagoda]

But im supposed to have alot of asp for eclipse / incarn right?

[lofty depot]

that starfire is actually 13:06

sorry wrong picture

u should be dumping surges not pressing starfire

[ionic pagoda]

i should waited incarn to press FOE before?

[lofty depot]

taht too

but that wasnt the point of what i was saying

u should be dumping asp

not pressing starfire

[ionic pagoda]

I thought i could get full asp by pressing it

[lofty depot]

....

why would u want that

ur already in incarn

think theres a misunderstanding of how u do damage

[ionic pagoda]

I guess to get more surges in a row idk xD

[lofty depot]

?

its the same amount

its likely less if ur casting and gain more asp

[ionic pagoda]

but my starfire does more damage aswell in incarn right?

[lofty depot]

it doesnt do more damage than surge

and doesnt do more specifically way more

[ionic pagoda]

even with the extra surge?

[lofty depot]

WHAT EXTRA SURGE

its the same amount

[ionic pagoda]

from starfire u get sometimes

[lofty depot]

thats...

u still could be getting that

what

[ionic pagoda]

im not druid main so idk what everything is called sorry, but sometimes i get a surge by casting starfire

[lofty depot]

yes

u could get that surge

later

[ionic pagoda]

and its still lower dmg than a ordinary surge?

[lofty depot]

depends on what surge ur talking about

the one that procs cosmos

or the one that shoots out from starfire

either way

u can still get that from the starfire

[ionic pagoda]

not the one that give free surge, the one that cast one out from starfire yea

[lofty depot]

after you dump asp

yea its less

but again thats ur priority being fucked

starfire is not more important than surge

[ionic pagoda]

so if i got 80 asp i should just dump before building again?

[lofty depot]

u should be dumping asp at the start of eclipse

[ionic pagoda]

even if i only can do 1 surge / starfall?

[lofty depot]

U SHOULD BE DUMPING ASP

AT

THJE

START

OF

ECLIPSE

[ionic pagoda]

You dont have to be angry xD

[lofty depot]

harmony, starlord, boat

theres many buffs u gain from spending

[inland jetty]

would a 298 2 hander w 2x arcnoweave be better than a 295 w hunt and 1 arcnoweave?

[lofty depot]

sim it

[inland jetty]

When i go to gear compare It wont show if Im simming arcnoweave or not

So I dont know if its simming properly

[lofty depot]

well dont use gear compare and use top gear

[inland jetty]

How do i add a imaginary item to top gear?

[lofty depot]

with the search bar at the top

[inland jetty]

oh

wow

thanks

i never knew that

lifesaver

[fresh salmon]

@lofty depot could you roast my logs real quick too pls? I feel like my damage on bosses in keys is very bad still

I think I pretty much understand the big aoe packs now, but for ST idk

[lofty depot]

looking at log someone didnt post

[fresh salmon]

😹

was waiting for your okay

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/A1yn24HXDTmtBgKb?fight=5&type=damage-done

[lofty depot]

delete that

[fair pasture]

Lmfao

[lofty depot]

lol what the

why u delete lol

smh

[fair pasture]

It looks more incriminating if it's gone

I'm trying to frame u for heinous crimes

[lofty depot]

why arent u pressing eclipse?

[fresh salmon]

no way wtf

maybe it was on cd?

no way I forget to press eclipse

[lofty depot]

it was on cd the first pack of the dungeon?

new tech

8 prio-ish mobs

6 dots

[fresh salmon]

right

I pressed first pull

idk why it's no showing on timeline

[lofty depot]

it is

i posted the 20s after it

u were out of incarn

i said why arent u pressing eclipse

not why arent u pressing incarn

[ruby badger]

You finish incarn at 00:41-ish

and you're in combat with that pull unti llike 1:00

[fresh salmon]

must be because mobs were like 5% hp

[ruby badger]

And don't eclipse

[fresh salmon]

and i didnt want to waste one eclipse

[ruby badger]

Send more if you're trying to learn

[fresh salmon]

true

sometimes I hold my incarn/eclipse because I'm scared I'm gonna waste it

but yeah def a missplay

[lofty depot]

?

ur not wasting it by pressing

ur going ot press incarn the next pack

tbf u wasted 1 by not pressing it

[fresh salmon]

haha true

[lofty depot]

u wasted 3 actually

but in 10s its kinda tough to say u should eclipse prior to incarn

but nonetheless

the point is use eclipse :/

[fresh salmon]

ok ty I'll fix that

[lofty depot]

u doing the same thing as other person

full asp sending starfire

dump ur asp

weaver proc

[fresh salmon]

what's bad about this one? starsurge before being in eclipse?

[lofty depot]

well i thought u dumped prior

it is outside of eclipse, but using buffs on surge when 10 mobs out kinda sus

usually i send eclispe prior to dump weaver or a cosmos/starfall weaver proc

its a minmax thing

isnt really important

[fresh salmon]

aight

[lofty depot]

im generally eclipsing while dotting

[fresh salmon]

arent u losing value by doing that?

wasting eclipse timer by dotting instead of dumping starfall

[lofty depot]

dots ticking more

its more like this

ther was a bunch of moonfires prior to that

[ruby badger]

On higher keys when pulls take a fair few seconds to gather as well, you'll end up hitting asp cap as well

[lofty depot]

then sunfired eclipse dumped a proc he pulled another 2

but its about not being asp capped forever aswell ye

[fresh salmon]

interesting

[ruby badger]

Like first pull skyreach if they go the distance I probably get 3 starfalls off before I incarn

[lofty depot]

1......... i likely wouldve waited til next foe to send incarn

2 why did u dump asll ur asp prior to incarn

[fresh salmon]

hmm because I was in lunar eclipse

but yeah another mistake

[lofty depot]

well again, right u would do more damage in incarn

but i wouldve also just not pressed incarn there

[fresh salmon]

i get it

ok well I thought I played ok but a lot of small mistakes here and there

tyvm

[humble pollen]

On huge pulls like Academy's first pull with the bajillion adds, do I just spam Moonfire on the mobs? Or do I weave in Starfalls whenever I have enough astral power? Or is there something more I should be doing?

[delicate perch]

the tank will be gathering for like 2 business days you have a lot of moonfires to do in that time

[ruby badger]

Lunar Eclipse as he pulls the first pack
Moonfire the biggest guys first
Then Spam Little Guys until pack is gathered
Hit starfall if you reach 100 ASP during this