balance

[void jacinth]

valid

[dense steeple]

Idk why look how cute he is

[digital berry]

shoes inside the house smh

[drifting nova]

I concur

[royal zenith]

sounding posh won't make you smarter @drifting nova

too bad!!

[drifting nova]

It shall

Irregardless of the fact

[void jacinth]

I'LL CONQUER U LIL B

[fair pasture]

Dogs

Great stuff today balance

[verbal shadow]

When doing raidbots sims for mythic+, what are the best settings to pick for the sim

[drifting nova]

I dont like his music tho

[lucid olive]

I don't remember if kekkers sounds posh or not

I remember he was on voice in here once

[drifting nova]

na you just have a hearing impairment

[lucid olive]

Read FAQ in #1473018731687841853

[normal pilot]

maybe kekkers is a geordie

[drifting nova]

I could never

[royal zenith]

I would believe it

[drifting nova]

considering the furthest north I've been is b*rmingham

thatd be difficult

[normal pilot]

hm what's south england accent

cockney?

[drifting nova]

I mean..yeah

east london tho

rhyming slang is pretty cool atleast

[sudden pawn]

i have family in wales, visited there before

very quiet

[drifting nova]

abit sheepish?

[sudden pawn]

i went to cardiff specifically

[drifting nova]

my condolences

[sudden pawn]

i like it, was nice

considering it was the part 2 of a trip where i was in the middle east first

[drifting nova]

english cosplaying as welsh

is what that is

[sudden pawn]

oh well, my uncle is arab but his wife was welsh

[drifting nova]

should watch lock, stock and two smoking barrels if you havent

[void jacinth]

@lucid olive how do I sim sala bim?

[lucid olive]

You hocus pocus

[void jacinth]

ah right

ty

[dense steeple]

I was only in for a minute to pick up my dog

Normally we dont wear inside

[dense steeple]

Puppy does puppy things

[somber copper]

I know the pins are def trying to get people to not ask a stat question, but is there an amount of mastery that is too much mastery?

[dense steeple]

When the sim tells you to get rid of it

[regal mauve]

Presuming Incarnation is down, when do I start a new Eclipse?

When the last one ended?
When Starlord falls off?

[lofty depot]

u want to maximize your time in eclipse so if u woudl sit on 2 charges, u wouldnt want to hold through starlord

but that is also u mazimizing your damage in side of eclipse... so if ur not going to overcap u could wait for starlord and build as

[regal mauve]

Thank you so much! I'll give that a try.

[true viper]

@obsidian jetty Is there a vod of ur r1

[obsidian jetty]

I have a kill video collection

[dense steeple]

im a SEED CARRIER??? @lofty depot

[lofty depot]

big

u can have fun

i promise like 90% of the pulls if ur not a seed carrier u dont see why u wiped

[dense steeple]

i promise 100% of the pulls i see why we wiped on all bosses

[lofty depot]

u wont if ur not a seed carrier

u also likely wont be the reason u wiped if ur not tho

[dense steeple]

i am all seeing

[dull dust]

congrats

whens the due date

[dense steeple]

1 hour from now apparently

[drifting nova]

so its a bad idea to have the stupid on seed duty..unlucky

[dense steeple]

depending on which guide video you watch they recommend your 6 best players

[drifting nova]

so why are you doing it?

[daring gull]

now i can grey parse in style hell yeah

[wanton socket]

Is there anyway to track what convoke casts? like which spells and such

[normal pilot]

not anymore in-game since WA dead. you can try wowanalyzer on your logs

[wanton socket]

I miss that old WA that shows every spell, found out many bugged encounters back in Shadowlands

[drifting nova]

pay attention

count the spells

[wanton socket]

Checking wow analyzer it seems like every convoke is casting 1 reju and 2-4 regrowth ... stupid ability

[dense steeple]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hM3DYnC8rwmN8iTt2fL2zC ??? what is this telling me to do

[normal pilot]

why those are just free healing

would you rather not have any healing at all

[wanton socket]

Yeah no, healers already not doing anything

[normal pilot]

the healing has nothing to do with the damage

if you for w/e reason don't want free healing then just ignore it it doesn't affect you in any way

[wanton socket]

Yeah but i could have gotten more dmg abilitys out of it instead of the healing ones

[normal pilot]

no you couldn't

that's not how convoke works

[wanton socket]

Doesnt it? isnt it random spells overall favoring dmg?

[drifting nova]

can convoke no longer cast a moon

[normal pilot]

no convoke is set on how many damage spells yo uget

[drifting nova]

barely used it since sl so idk

[normal pilot]

the healing doesn't matter

[wanton socket]

it can

[drifting nova]

think I've used it like 5x this xpac

[wanton socket]

Not sure what these numbers on the side mean, cant be casts i guess since the number varies too much

[normal pilot]

idk maybe the module's broken unlucky

i don't think anyone's been updating wowa for balance

[wanton socket]

Ye i was greeted with this

But thought maybe it doesnt matter im here just to track the convoke thingy

[craggy sonnet]

Isnt it just spec and off spec?

[normal pilot]

ya but rake/thrash aren't real damage

[craggy sonnet]

You are saying that after joking about people should be wielding a dagger

[normal pilot]

stab stab

[drifting nova]

how you getting waning huh

[wanton socket]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[craggy sonnet]

to finally sim with crit flask

[normal pilot]

need sacred unity for druids, 100% extra damage to mobs with all 3 spec dots + hot on yourself

[drifting nova]

always wished shifting was more important

for actual damage

not just surviving

or going faster

[dense steeple]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ifGMcGSUYsYGmBmFZT5vQQ damn gurl you were onto something

[strange yoke]

How much worse is rattle the stars vs starweaver? I hate the rng of starweaver and would rather just mash the spender I like more, but if its huge free dam then I can suck it up

[digital berry]

i assume it's fight dependant

[lofty depot]

depends on the talents u want to play too

[strange yoke]

Yea, Im lookin at mythic chimaerus rn if that matters. And spamming starsurge procs during adds and starfalls on ST just feels weird to me

[lofty depot]

fix ur mind

mmhm mmhm

[digital berry]

i mean its not like youre starfiring

[lofty depot]

but u should be spaming surge into big add and not into adds specifically

[digital berry]

so like what else would you do with those gcds

[lofty depot]

u just cas starfall and surge into boss if u really want

[strange yoke]

Yeah it isnt, yeah surging the big add when I get procs, but like, with rattle I would just be a pad monster with like 5gcds of straight starfall

[lofty depot]

"pad monster"

not really tbf, but sure

u can play rattle if u want

ur not gonna notice the 1% less or more ull do regardless prob

[strange yoke]

Thats all I was curious about, been doing weaver every fight and the rng just feels weird sometimes, rather have some consistency, but if it was massive I'd keep doin weaver

[lofty depot]

liking rattle is problematic

[digital berry]

the rng of weaver lowkey the only reason i dont fall asleep on some of those fights

[lofty depot]

should fix that tbf

playing convoke rattle is so boring

[digital berry]

it really is

l'ura prog is making me dislike convoke

[strange yoke]

Do I also need to play convoke with rattle? That was all I was thinkin about swapping, last time I played boomie was Shadowlands and I liked having like no rng in my rotation (outside of pretending convoke isnt rng)

[lofty depot]

play w.e. u want big dog

"no rng" is boring

procs fun

[digital berry]

if you're not going to play the optimal build for the most dps on a fight, you just play whatever you want

might even do more dps on a build youre more comfortable with

[strange yoke]

I've been convinced to try it on reclears this week and see how it feels 🫡

[digital berry]

tbh chim you could go full st at this point and dont care about dps or parses to kill it asap and move on

[dense steeple]

we've almost got the kick memes down

[amber kindle]

I'm progging on Vaelgor myth with my guild.

I'm checking the LORRGS.IO to verify best time to use cds. I've used this everyfight until now and was able to replicate.
But here, how is it possible they use Force of nature in 00:03 seconds of fight and then at 00:36(33 seconds later) they use it a second time?

Shouldnt the CD be 45 seconds with "control of the dream" hero talent?

[amber kindle]

This solves my problem, durp

Every other fight, people use the other talent... so never bothered reading

Thanks you friend

[digital berry]

you will not get the kicks down ever

youll fucking wipe to that 300 pulls in

[dense steeple]

yeah but

like the macro memes

where people dont know what theyre doing

[elder remnant]

am i reading this right am i starfalling in st

[dense steeple]

if you proc yeah

where are oyu reading it tho

[elder remnant]

compendium

so I consume touch or stellar flare icon buff with fall otherwise it's surge

[dense steeple]

yes

the reason being is because its free sustained dam

cant cast 2 surges at once, but you can cast surge with a starfall goin

[elder remnant]

ye

sick

so many conditionals

this is what i get for saying I miss starweaver

[vernal pollen]

starweaver hate gang rise up

[lofty depot]

losers

grow up

[meager storm]

dakd is back

next week it begins

https://klipy.com/gifs/scuba-cat-1--k01KRT3TH3KQJ6HDKESZQ30YT6E

[copper gate]

You’re about to BALAST

[digital berry]

@lofty depot is the huge variance on p1 add set dps with convoke just full moon rng?

istg i go from 240k to 300k every pull

[lofty depot]

not looking at total dps

looking at raw damage

[dense steeple]

my brain isnt braining

[lofty depot]

but full moon, mushroom spawns

[dense steeple]

how do i view whos doing dam to matrix

[lofty depot]

u mean crystals

or

[dense steeple]

yea

[dense steeple]

i see what i did wrong

[lofty depot]

click the one that says crystal

[dense steeple]

condiment

i kept clicking matrix

[dense steeple]

not a bad start i hope?

[digital berry]

i's fyrakk all over again

chain 1 min wipes

[dense steeple]

Big fan

|| i cant wait til its over||

[dusty sierra]

hi soma

[dense steeple]

Hey buddy

[dusty sierra]

I have returned and become chicken

[dense steeple]

Im sorry

[dusty sierra]

though quite often i roleplay as a bear and for special people a tree

[dense steeple]

I do like tree

Hit me up tomorrow or something and we can catch up! I go to bed early now cause wife and kids and its bedge time

[dusty sierra]

[dense steeple]

Good night team

[stone ledge]

This is where we are rn

[fair pasture]

i wish moonkin was a race

[twin lotus]

based

[round field]

game would lowkey be better off if moonkins didnt exist

[lucid olive]

not just moonkin

too many specs

[round field]

no no not the spec

just moonkin

[lucid olive]

i mean there are just too many specs in the game

[round field]

ugly ass turds

[lucid olive]

game would be better with less

[round field]

go back to the good times

classic wow was peak

[lucid olive]

real

i miss classic wow

since i never played it

and went outside instead

[fair pasture]

: (

Moonkins are the best D :

Mine makes me laugh just looking at him

[round field]

imagine how other people laugh at u

[fair pasture]

Why would that bother me

[round field]

i guess ur used to it

[tardy hare]

astral form always

I can't stand people laughing at me

[fair pasture]

Moonkins would make good ele shamans

[drifting nova]

wrong answer

[tardy hare]

moonkin rogue would be 5/5 tho

[fair pasture]

I always laugh at the idea of a Moonkin gunlancer from lost ark

With the huge shield and the gunsword

[lucid olive]

my entire stance on this changed with midnight

[drifting nova]

one day class race combos will be unrestricted

then, and only then

will I pay for a race change

[fair pasture]

And then the sword charges up and the beam comes out your beak

[lucid olive]

any moonkin form reminder function in addon has too many bugs

[drifting nova]

dwarf chickens rise

[drifting nova]

is lost ark good nowadyas or

[lucid olive]

i had like 3 pulls on lura where i didn't realize i wasn't in moonkin form

[drifting nova]

failed the first step

opening YOUR EYES

younguns these days

[fair pasture]

I played it like, 5 years ago, I enjoyed it a lot at the time

[drifting nova]

mhm gave it a go when it came out

but pc was balls so never got far

spose I could try now

[fair pasture]

This happens to me sometimes when people swap crystal me

I had to bitch at them to stop

[drifting nova]

idk why people complain about crystal holding

its easy

did it first time

[fair pasture]

The combat is great and the classes are great

[lucid olive]

the buffreminders addon is terrible for performance during combat so i disabled it

[fair pasture]

Everything else is eh

[lucid olive]

and other addons that do druid form reminders are still buggy

[fair pasture]

I mean the thing that swaps our appearances

[drifting nova]

same as wow at the time tbh, played less, 8gb wasnt it

[lucid olive]

i miss weakauras

[drifting nova]

coin of many faces

actually the reason and only time I griefed

that 10 pos I queued into as healer

[lucid olive]

"the thing"

[drifting nova]

thinking I was dps

[fair pasture]

If dwarf chicken was shorter and stouter and wider but otherwise a normal moonkin

[lucid olive]

theres like 1000 things

[fair pasture]

That would be great

Or they still had the dwarf beards Lol

[drifting nova]

I only didnt notice I was meant to be healer

because I had coin of many faces on

[lucid olive]

atomic recalibrator bis

[drifting nova]

and was a blood elf

[normal pilot]

moonkin form should be incarn only. caster form rest of the time so ppl can see xmogs

[lucid olive]

gleeful glamour items good too

[drifting nova]

turns out the first pos pack dies fast with 4 dps

good knowledge to know

[fair pasture]

The appearance swap crystal from the arcantina

[lucid olive]

the "improved moonkin form" for incarn isnt real anymore so why not

[fair pasture]

Did it actually look improved at some point

[lucid olive]

yes

[drifting nova]

I've yet to see a worse take than this from you, step it up

[normal pilot]

it woudl be better more ppl playing since they don't get turned off by stupid owl with no xmog

[drifting nova]

you'l make a worse one but you havent eyt

[lucid olive]

go to barbershop and turn on the old moonkin model

[drifting nova]

xmog is fake

[lucid olive]

then press incarn

[drifting nova]

xmog is bad

[normal pilot]

xmog is real endgame

[lucid olive]

thats also how it works if you use any item to change your race

without having astral form

[drifting nova]

alright asmon

I still have ptsd 15years from release

of every warrior and paladin

[lucid olive]

like if i use the muffin item to become a tuskarr

i'm a tuskarr until i press incarn

[drifting nova]

with bulwark of azzinoth

[lucid olive]

then im a chicken for 20 seconds

[normal pilot]

have they still not made a shield that looks better than that

[drifting nova]

xmog was only good when they released coolish looking sets

I never used it

I was always a glowy skull guy

skull flame shield

or w/e it is

[lucid olive]

but if you use glyph of stars, then a toy to become a tuskarr, it'll turn you into your default race when you press incarn

which is dogshit imo

[drifting nova]

helped the rest of my tmog was the blackhand set

but seeing every other paladin in t2 and bulwark

was zzz

[normal pilot]

maybe they'll finally get rid of stupid forms in 14.0 console port

[drifting nova]

there will always be highly suspect decisions

[normal pilot]

and actually make a modern druid where everything just autoshifts

[drifting nova]

like undead priests

or tauren paladins

but not human druids

I'd play a rogue more if it could be a tauren

[fair pasture]

Rogue tauren named Tiny

Get on it

[lucid olive]

okay as much as i love chatting, i have a math exam in 40 minutes

[drifting nova]

lightfoot

[lucid olive]

two plus two is four

[drifting nova]

[lucid olive]

wish me luck

[fair pasture]

Gl gamz

[drifting nova]

maths

[fair pasture]

U can do it

[drifting nova]

failed already

[vital hound]

its 5 mate

[normal pilot]

why do you need math when grok is a phone tap away

[fair pasture]

It's 5 if ur a Radiohead enjoyer

[lucid olive]

real..

we're allowed tools for the 2nd part of the exam

all i need is thonny

[drifting nova]

wait is the "you wont always have a calc" just grok now

or ai

[fair pasture]

Bring in a diesel generator and a compressor and nail guns

"you said tools were allowed"

[drifting nova]

..did that replace you wont always have an abaccus

hmm

[lucid olive]

@slim iris kekkers uses slang

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/rinauchis-cocobearkins-gif-16860191433504714497

[fair pasture]

People think calc is funny I guess

Moonkin wearing reading glasses doing their taxes with a calculator

[lucid olive]

@delicate perch do you?

[fair pasture]

Now that's comedy

[normal pilot]

moonkins don't pay taxes they get disability exemption

[fair pasture]

Calc_enjoyer_5318008

[drifting nova]

you pay taxes?

so far behind

[fair pasture]

I actually did not this year

Because I didn't owe any ayooo

[drifting nova]

I dont every year

its great

[fair pasture]

Love that for you

[hollow mist]

wish I could not pay taxes

[drifting nova]

have you tried moving

[royal zenith]

you're the problem kekkers

[tardy hare]

really?! wow!

I'm gonna inform my boss

[normal pilot]

hm you pay taxes to your boss? i think he might be scamming you

[fair pasture]

You don't have to anymore

I just exempted you

🪄

[hollow mist]

holy shit let's go thank u mrsfly

[hollow mist]

in the process of it potentially..

[fair pasture]

But also you are in incapable of moving, at all, in any capacity

🪄

U can stoneform this off tho if ur a dwarf

[hollow mist]

[fair pasture]

[hollow mist]

I play druid and evoker i cant be a dwarf ×_×

[fair pasture]

: (

[drifting nova]

I hear the middle of aus has no taxes or papa new guinea probably doesnt have taxes

[hollow mist]

noting in my notes

[fair pasture]

[mighty mica]

uhauling already, holy

[hollow mist]

LISTEN aint gonna be for a while at least but damn she's rad

[fair pasture]

Love that for u

[ionic surge]

Where u going so I can avoid it

[hollow mist]

[hollow mist]

thank u fly

[fair pasture]

[brave vessel]

Hey guys, I’m new to Balance Druid. Can anyone recommend some streamers or YouTubers to watch for POVs and gameplay?

[ruby badger]

adept is probably the best for M+ and Raid

no one else is really consistent with it

arctic has good lura prog pov if you're interested in that

[tardy hare]

My boss came to my office. Tells me he cannot turn off his phone... I get paid way too less...

[delicate perch]

Thanks for that, I was actually wondering

[dense steeple]

[lucid olive]

to EU or

[hollow mist]

perhaps...

[ruby badger]

Average Irish immigrant's motivations

[lucid olive]

love that for you

[hollow mist]

thanks gamz grats on windchime kill

[lucid olive]

i hope our kill wasn't too late at night for you!!

i heard you had to get up super eary

i hadn't even gone to bed when fruggie said she was driving you to the airport

[hollow mist]

all good i got a solid 3 hours of sleep big gaming

[lucid olive]

[fresh salmon]

am I right by assuming when starlord is about to fade, I have to pool my astral power so I can instantly have the 3 stacks back up and running? So during a few seconds I overcap astral power?

[round field]

overcapping ap is bad

[fresh salmon]

sure but not having starlord is even worse no?

[round field]

you just do your 3 spenders when you enter eclipse and ur sorted with starlord

[round field]

no

overcap bad

stinky poopoo

[normal pilot]

gettings 3 stacks of starlod asap is not that important

each stack is worth less than the previous stack

[round field]

everytime gastank types i lowkey shit my pants im about to get corrected and flamed

[normal pilot]

maybe if starlord was original unnerfed version

[fresh salmon]

ok, I thought it was the core gameplay of boomy. because I noticed that if I cast a lot, my fury of elune is back at the same time my starlord is back too, I thought it was the thing to keep an eye on the most

[normal pilot]

nah it's just the mind trying to find some kind of coherence to the spec where none exists

surely there's some kind of smooth gameplay flow right

[lucid olive]

thats the minigamer mind games

[fresh salmon]

haha yeah that's what I thought hence my question

right so the core thing of boomy in keys then is:

• always be casting with dots up
• fury of elune on CD
• never overcap AP

do i got it

[lucid olive]

1. remove "with dots up"

just always be casting

[fresh salmon]

it's not a big deal if some moonfires fade?

[lucid olive]

pressing sunfire and moonfire is also a cast

[fresh salmon]

right

[round field]

ur asking a lot of non otp questions for someone whos name is otpdruid

[lucid olive]

should read compendium guide on dreamgrove, linked in pins and channel description

the "easy mode" and "how to play eclipse" parts probably useful

[fresh salmon]

im resto main

trying to diversify

[round field]

sussy

[ruby badger]

starlord is like a byproduct of good play a lot of the time

[lucid olive]

is it

you enter eclipse and spend 3 times for starlord, harmony and ascendant stars

[ruby badger]

Yeah

[fresh salmon]

so it's useless to track starlord almost yeah?

I have it on my cdm

[lucid olive]

its the better one to track of the effects

you have 5 seconds left on Starlord after your Eclipse ends usually and that's time you can spend pooling for your next Eclipse

[ruby badger]

I mean I track it cause there'll be times where I'm out of eclipse and waiting to spend without overcapping AP to get a starlord

[round field]

you can track it

but its like

[ruby badger]

or waiting to go into my next eclipse like gamz said

[lucid olive]

its not like there are better things to track either

[round field]

you get good starlord uptime by playing well instead of playing well being atributed to keeping up starlord

[fresh salmon]

aight ty

[ruby badger]

Yeah that's what I was trying to articulate

[lucid olive]

very important to specify that uptime at 3 stacks is way more important than overall uptime

your overall Starlord buff uptime on a fight can look really high if you insta enter Eclipse as soon as Starlord ends

but you don't always wanna do that cause you want to pool AP for your next Eclipse and get back to 3 stacks of Starlord asap

which is more about Harmony of the Heavens and Ascendant Stars than just Starlord

[fresh salmon]

right

[craggy sonnet]

Why we waiting?

[ruby badger]

Lots of reasons to wait until you go into your next eclipse if nothing is capped

Mostly encounter based

But over a long enough fight you know you'll have some globals outside of eclipse, so you might as well try to ride the starlord from your previous eclipse as long as you can if it doesn't stop you doing anything better

[craggy sonnet]

You made it sound like it depends on your starlord tho. When really it just depends on your AP in most cases

[lucid olive]

definitely run into a few scenarios in raid where you have 10+ seconds of downtime between Eclipse

probably worth to prio Starlord then

[digital berry]

this statement kinda makes it sound like eclipse can have crazy high uptime. Like yeah you will have globals outside of eclipse, about 30% of them

[lucid olive]

on Lura after P1 there are some sizable amounts of downtime

worth to pool to spend twice for Starlord after it falls off instead of spending to 0 though, need to save some for movement

[craggy sonnet]

Sure. But that's at times where you only get one eclipse in between bursts. Which means it's either not ready immediately or you still would manage it to work out with your AP and not necessarily based on starlord, right? Spending outside eclipse but with starlord still up not where you wanna be

[lucid olive]

I mean you spend after it falls off

Spend as you end Eclipse
Pool for the 5 seconds remaining on Starlord
Starlord fades
Spend twice for 2x Starlord
Build some AP
Spend for the 3rd stack
Build AP for new Eclipse

[digital berry]

All of this is also super theoretical and in a real fight it's almost never going to look this pretty no

[lucid olive]

you could spend 3 times if you wanted, but in a real fight it'll depend on movement

[craggy sonnet]

Yes, but then you are not waiting on starlord to eclipse. Your eclipse is not even ready

[lucid olive]

there are parts where you have 30 seconds of downtime

[craggy sonnet]

Yes

[lucid olive]

idk i think you misunderstand what i'm saying, in that downtime you have to spend anyway

so why not prio starlord value

[ruby badger]

Gamz just described what he did on L'ura

[lucid olive]

its the same thing if you say "i am spending here to spend" or if you say "I am spending here for starlord" cause its the same button

[craggy sonnet]

I guess I'm not 100% sure what steven meant. But I was just saying you don't really wait for starlord to run out before eclipsing. You make that decision based on AP

[lucid olive]

yes and thats completely unrelated to what i was saying

[craggy sonnet]

If you don't have another eclipse/burst for 15+ seconds and your starlord is down. Ofc you can build up some stacks

[lucid olive]

thats like 2 conversations ago

[craggy sonnet]

Ok

[fresh salmon]

any plans to update boomy on wowanalyzer soon?

[digital berry]

pretty sure its fine

nothign changed in .5

[normal pilot]

i don't think anyone here's working on it so

don't think it was ever updated for midnight

[digital berry]

i thought it was at some point

[lofty depot]

There's a guy doing it or was sdoing some shit for it

[digital berry]

ope

[lofty depot]

I mean if u want to get log analysis u aren't looking for much in wowanalyzer

[normal pilot]

it is using TS so you could prolly just claude in updates if you wanted to

[lofty depot]

I use it for other shit, cuz u can't just plop a log into some "analyze" shit and it be correct

[digital berry]

tbh if youre just looking for a quick glimpse on starlord / eclipse uptime and cd management itll work

[fresh salmon]

yep true

[normal pilot]

the entire balance module is only 153k it's prolly not too horribly involved

just deadspec deadtier nobody really motivated

[fresh salmon]

how high is raidbots dpsing for you guys on patchwerk? mine's at 95k lmao

crazy low, and I have 288 ilvl

[digital berry]

my l'ura talents sim 112

288 ilvl

[fresh salmon]

insane

[lofty depot]

117k

[fresh salmon]

it must come from my lack of crit

since my gear is 99% resto

[lofty depot]

That could be problematic

[normal pilot]

what trinkets do you have

[fresh salmon]

that 16% is with flask

[lofty depot]

No primary gem

Ring enchants

[fresh salmon]

true, my primary was on my resto neck; forgot to buy

[lucid olive]

one of the maintainers wrote in here a few days ago

#balance message around here

[quartz matrix]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/does-balance-druid-have-too-many-choices-balance-druid-retrospective-for-381686?utm_source=discord-webhook

[obtuse robin]

good stuff @lucid olive well done

[lucid olive]

[normal pilot]

only 5 comments smh so low

[royal zenith]

It's still early..

[gaunt lantern]

how long before someone posts a slur in the comments

[lucid olive]

it's wowhead, it gets filtered out

wowhead comments arent filled with slurs, theyre just really stupid

[normal pilot]

idk how do you argue against something like this

peak

[lucid olive]

happy i chose this title

[lucid olive]

[nimble tangle]

if trinket is marco with CA, bolts with get buffed?

or still no

[lucid olive]

only lunar bolt

and only if the trinket is vaelgor

i think

[normal pilot]

hm did you test with with non-vaelgors?

all modern trinkets are scripted but vaelgor's has extra scripting

possible only one of the script is slow

[lucid olive]

prob have to get on PTR to test

[normal pilot]

guess not worth the bother until 12.1 is up and you have actual changes to test

[nimble tangle]

ugh my bad, i was meant to ask, if vaelgor is not macro with CA, will lunar bolts get buffed from vaelgor?

[obtuse robin]

lmao guildies saying the same shit

[normal pilot]

lunar bolt doesn't do damage, it's the splash that does. so as long as you have the buff when the splash happens it'll be buffed

[lucid olive]

multiple choice is overall bad for new and learning players when the talents are not explained properly

that point just makes it confusing to see what the value of each talent is

multiple choice is good in principle

[royal zenith]

wow players have no idea what choice is

let's be honest

they login, open wowhead, import a build, play the game

[obtuse robin]

ur average joe just copy/pastes builds from logs/wowhead anyway

[normal pilot]

the ones bitching about 'meaningful choice' and 'skill cap' are the ones asking about bis guides & stat weights

[royal zenith]

^

[obtuse robin]

tho I do like that we have multiple gameplay options on, lets say, beloren

[ripe slate]

it was powerful engagement bait

[lucid olive]

talent diversity can be good and fun when you have acquired the random esoteric knowledge needed for the full context of each talents value

but the fact that it requires random esoteric knowledge that you have to access guides or 3rd party tools to acquire

then choice is bad

[obtuse robin]

I prefer this rather than beind a lock or a DDH who are running the same talent set over every kind of content lmao

[ripe slate]

spriest in raid is great i never change my talents basically ever (except paladins)

[royal zenith]

esoteric knowledge?

you expect me to have a vocabulary

wth

[lucid olive]

wordup taught me that word

[maiden jackal]

is wowhead's talent builds reliable?

[lucid olive]

yes

the post in general is more of a comment about how bad blizzard is at making the talents intuitive

than just saying "multiple choice = bad"

but the title was just too tempting

[normal pilot]

tooltip = bad will just get everyone chiming in yes anyways

boring comments

[lucid olive]

yeah exactly

the point of the post is lukewarm at best

but man does a good title get people reading it

[normal pilot]

altho i guess you might get more blizz shills coming out with that

[lucid olive]

the last paragraph is also just completely made up

the wishlist

i just wrote what i think would be cool

but i change my mind on that every week

i think starsurge with a cast time could be cool

[ripe slate]

stop

[fresh salmon]

[regal mauve]

I need to practice on a training dummy, but every city I look at has a million dummies that pad my meters when I Starfall. How can I test more accurately?

[ripe slate]

out of the kitchen the food's on fire

[lofty depot]

dornogal has 1t dummy at the top of one of the toewrs

[normal pilot]

you're just getting a feel for the rotation, the actual number you do on a dummy doesn't really matter, you can't really compare it to anything

[lucid olive]

Starsurge with a cast time and Starweaver makes it instant

[fresh salmon]

hell no

[normal pilot]

your time is better spent doing lfr or something and logging

[lucid olive]

having a cast time makes it more satisfying to press and lets you tune it higher

[fresh salmon]

what they should do is add the astral power number on CDM

[normal pilot]

instant generator + cast time spender would be so much better

than the reverse we have now

[lucid olive]

and you can build instant casts into the builder part of your rotation instead of the spending part

yeah

its just better general gameplay imo

[lofty depot]

thats what addons are for

[fresh salmon]

they promised no more addons required to play the game

i've been scammed

they delete shit to not replace it with good stuff

[ripe slate]

insert always has been meme here

[lofty depot]

believing blizzard

first time or

[fresh salmon]

kinda

[lucid olive]

number on your AP bar is a 12.0.7 feature i think

seem to remember something about it in development notes

[fresh salmon]

yeah they mentioned adding stuff in cdm

[lofty depot]

Yea don't rely on them

[daring gull]

damn yall see this wowhead post on us having options

[lucid olive]

no

[lofty depot]

U think we don't or

[daring gull]

https://tenor.com/view/tee-hee-gif-16693466337760164069

[wintry umbra]

enjoyed the retrospective felt like it matched some of my feelings but im just a noob that knows they struggle with aligning the cooldowns in longer fights so the eclipse and trees stuff might just be hitting me harder lol

[royal zenith]

@dull dust explain yourself

[lofty depot]

Gamz is a noob too, that we he struggling

[daring gull]

pinworthy

[normal pilot]

your opinion as a noob is more valid anyways

blizz wants to grow the playerbase old addicts are gonna sub anywyas

[lucid olive]

I have unique insight into the noob perspective from chatting to Arctic all day

[daring gull]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-anime-omg-wtf-cant-unsee-gif-5159766

[normal pilot]

hm only 11 comments unlucky. you should've gone all out with the title "Does having too many choices make Balance Druid too difficult?"

[lucid olive]

true..

gotta wait for someone to post it on reddit

[craggy sonnet]

Dear Mr Blizzard, please prune my spec

[lucid olive]

whats there to prune

[normal pilot]

too many procs i can't fit them all in my cdm

[lucid olive]

devourer was first spec fully designed with the pruning in mind

and that spec is fun af

[craggy sonnet]

hold up

did it change that much in your perception?

[royal zenith]

compared to?

[craggy sonnet]

or am i capping .. didnt you once say its boring af?

[lucid olive]

when i played it on alpha yeah

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-phillips-boat-hijack-im-the-captain-now-barkhad-look-at-me-gif-13598168602557920285

[pseudo merlin]

@royal zenith theyre pulling the plug on destiny 2

[royal zenith]

yeah

good riddence

jk..

[pseudo merlin]

literally one of the best games ever made

shut down because of a community of crying little baby morons

[lofty depot]

I mean nnnnnn

It's not 2016 anymore

[normal pilot]

sounds like ppl just aren't playing

wow community also cries like a little baby but they keep playing and the game's going strong

[lofty depot]

It's like wow u log back on for new content and then log off

My roommate has played every season since launch, actually nutty

[royal zenith]

correct

[pseudo merlin]

Ngl I'm completely making this up but I feel like the fact that getting into destiny as a new player meant (if you wanted everything) you had to buy like 17 different expansions, dlc, etc, for a grand total of idk 300+ dollaridoos

[royal zenith]

game is good but it's dead

[pseudo merlin]

That has to have played a massive role

[round field]

just like

[pseudo merlin]

Like it was genuinely absurd

[normal pilot]

yeah if that's true that's a ridiculously bad value prop

[round field]

give us more crests atp

[pseudo merlin]

Imagine if playing wow meant buying EVERY single expansion + every single patch

[round field]

id play like 5 characters

[pseudo merlin]

that's what destiny was

[normal pilot]

at least wow folds in past xpacs to the base price

[round field]

if i didnt need to do 100 keys to gear an alt

[pseudo merlin]

And the price wasn't the only problem, you had to go on a goose chase to find out what you even had to buy in the first place, it was SUPER convoluted

Even veteran players like myself couldn't guide a new player through it

[pseudo merlin]

As it should be

[craggy sonnet]

So it's not because of a community of crying little baby morons

[pseudo merlin]

Oh no that perfectly describes the community

[royal zenith]

it's both

[normal pilot]

sounds like it exists but it's not at fault

seems like just stupid/bad developer

[drifting nova]

blizzard and not having a catchall sub for the past xpacs smh

[pseudo merlin]

Here's the destiny 2 community in a nutshell:

"MIMIMIMIMI I paid 60 dollars for this and I only got 5000 hours of gametime out of it"

"Mimimimimimimi the ingame microtransaction store has microtransactions in it for real life money, even though you can buy all of them for free by playing the game and earning the d2 equivalent of wow's trader tendies(BUT THEYRE UNCAPPED IN D2))

Literally those are the 2 talking points you hear 99% of the time

[drifting nova]

blizzard greedy

more at 11

https://tenor.com/view/greedy-pot-yu-gi-oh-yugioh-gif-1156091889875709808

[royal zenith]

bungie fucked up yep

[pseudo merlin]

Oh I forgot the third talking point: they removed old content because they're shit game devs/coders and they needed to in order to keep game file size below a certain threshhold

Content nobody ever played or cared about

[normal pilot]

tbf at least bungie didn't fuck up as bad as sony

[pseudo merlin]

But you'll get that talking point shoved down your throat

Yeah sony spent god knows how much money on the acquisition

[drifting nova]

I mean thats happened to wow

sort of

[pseudo merlin]

Bungie did the old switcheroo on them

[round field]

these companies are so bad idk

ubisoft as well

[craggy sonnet]

By buying them?

[round field]

just losing money

[craggy sonnet]

So is bungie done now?

[pseudo merlin]

Nope

[drifting nova]

imagine losing money off passive income

[pseudo merlin]

unfortunately not

[drifting nova]

silly ubisoft

[normal pilot]

they have.. marathon?

[pseudo merlin]

They're just shutting down Destiny and doing 2 new incubation projects

[normal pilot]

and i guess something more in pipeline

[craggy sonnet]

Marathon is also dead, or?

[pseudo merlin]

Instead of making Destiny good/making Destiny 3

They're just going to try again

Here's marathon in a nutshell:

It's a turbo hardcore extraction shooter that's SO hardcore that only super sweaty players want to play it, therefore it's not financially stable. But within the context of the stupidly sweaty gameplay that it offers it's actually really really good

It's like the people in your country need cars for transportation and you build a lamborghini factory and now 99.99% of people can't afford a car

[drifting nova]

..its behind the wave

every other extraction shooter over the past 10years

[craggy sonnet]

I have legit not heard any hype around marathon or whatever after launch.. the only thing I know is the asset scandal

[drifting nova]

were atleast on wave

[pseudo merlin]

Yeah there wasnt much

Early access was a shitshow

They fixed it

Then people already stopped caring

But it's a really good game

Imagine if Blizzard stopped funding wow so they could take 3v3 arena and make it into a standalone game

It would probably be insanely good

9 people would play it

[drifting nova]

still convinced arena is the worst form of pvp

will die on that hill

[pseudo merlin]

Depends on what you want

[drifting nova]

even before rbgs in cata

regular bgs were just better pvp

[normal pilot]

isn't that like that one m+ game

[pseudo merlin]

Do you want pure skill expression in a bit of an equal playing field, or do you want to chill and play a fun MMORPG where pvp just means massive armies clashing on a giant battlefield where it's more about how you move as a unit

[normal pilot]

just super focused on one thing but without anything else to make it casual

[drifting nova]

still surprises me I was in a pvp guild in cata

[pseudo merlin]

that thing that came out like a year or two ago

cant think of the name

oooh

fellowship?

[drifting nova]

F for the lotro mmo

[pseudo merlin]

I feel like people aslo just dont play that anymore

[round field]

holy

fellowship just disappeared

idk

they had something going and just did nothing lmao

[pseudo merlin]

Btw I dont think wow always made the expansions up to the latest one free

[drifting nova]

nope

[pseudo merlin]

I seem to remember buying a "battlechest"

in wotlk

[drifting nova]

think it was like bfa

they started it

[pseudo merlin]

You had to pay for vanilla+bc+wotlk

the battlechest was a discount for all 3

[drifting nova]

still have the cds upto wrath

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

i have my OG vanilla box still

im cherishing that thing

beautiful box

[drifting nova]

I lie

there is no vanilla

there is bc, wrath and cata

I spose as I just downloaded base game

[pseudo merlin]

wrong

[drifting nova]

I have no vanilla

[pseudo merlin]

its all you have

youre a brit

[drifting nova]

but I started like 2007/8 so

[craggy sonnet]

Early Access season 3 starting in a month or something

[drifting nova]

vanilla was long gone

[craggy sonnet]

They are reworking loot to be a bit ARPG esque

[round field]

[craggy sonnet]

Rolls certain pre/affixes

[pseudo merlin]

is fellowship steam only or?

[normal pilot]

do they have real matchmaking or is it still wow-style manual grouping

[craggy sonnet]

S2 wasnt great and overlapped with midnight

They had matchmaking from the go

[round field]

i think not having character customisation in a game like that is such a bad idea

presets

[pseudo merlin]

Personally I don't get fellowship

Why should I log out of wow for m+?

+chars are genderlocked

no customisation

is there even gear, does it matter?

[craggy sonnet]

Yes

There is also transmog sets

[normal pilot]

yeah prolly hard to grow an audience without all the IP nostalgia

[craggy sonnet]

And they will make it per slot in s3

They had decent player base to start

[normal pilot]

do they have solo play? or is everything group required

[craggy sonnet]

But I'm not sure they have the experience to make it succeed

[drifting nova]

me when I think about blizzard and m+

[craggy sonnet]

Ehh, there is some beginner type zone you can run around in and do some quest-lites

But other than that, you sit in queue

Or matchmake via discord

[normal pilot]

oh that seems very limiting

could prolly make a decent go with more solo queue focus since wow can't do that

[craggy sonnet]

You can solo queue

But like idk what you mean with solo content

[drifting nova]

fellowship was just a ploy for blizzard to steal ideas from other games

and finally implement an m+ lfd queue

[normal pilot]

more solo play than solo queue i guess, npc party members that work you can use to fill in you or you+buddy or w/e

requiring solo players to always wait on queue seems way too risky and dependent on critical mass

or is it like <5m waits

[craggy sonnet]

I think it got real bad with queue times obv once player numbers dwindled

But they are testing random comp matchmaking and applying modifiers to the mobs / players I think

[normal pilot]

you can prolly get by with a few thousand players if everyone had the possibility to just play solo but if you had to get full party every time that wouldn't work

[eager raft]

There so many skill brackets and the playerbase is relatively small

So there can be some real long queue times

[craggy sonnet]

They are reducing the number of brackets as well

But ye

[eager raft]

But tbh that’s the reality of almost any game’s solo queue once you’re in or near the top mmr brackets

[craggy sonnet]

And you couldn't even guarantee that you get to play something you benefitted from

Basically had to matchmake via discord

[pseudo merlin]

real

I always play alone cuz im an insane gamer

Not an unbearable toxic loser who has no friends

[eager raft]

That’s why I choose to stay in the gold-plat range in every game

Quicker queue times

[pseudo merlin]

also real

I do a little trolling so I dont get too high of a ranking

[lofty depot]

Yea totally

[eager raft]

There’s definitely no other reason I’m in those ranks

[round field]

its lowkey not that bad

just play omega popular game like league

1 -2 min queue even in 0.1%

[dull dust]

real

idk what the article is

but do that

(buffing either doesnt fix how shit they are to play tho)

[maiden jackal]

I just started playing again

Ooo weee the addon situation

[round field]

its like

the same

except details is worthless

and u dont have weakauras

[maiden jackal]

Yea

[round field]

tho most stuff you can still do

[maiden jackal]

I had an addon I really liked that made a nice ding noise when something was off cd and popup. It helped clean up my ui a lot

[maiden jackal]

Still obnoxious

[round field]

you can still do that with like cdm

[maiden jackal]

The base cdm is pitiful

[round field]

no shit

its blizard

[silk shard]

great write up gamz

[lofty depot]

Sound queue for CDs, ew

[maiden jackal]

The sounds suck and muddied out and you cant do a popup, just a bad lil flash

[lucid olive]

the funny part is, the sounds are better now than they were on alpha

[maiden jackal]

They were for lesser utilities like movement and such

[lucid olive]

holy shit my ears were bleeding after the way the clanker said "sunfire"

[silk shard]

i put a sound alert on eclipse because during pre-patch i kept forgetting to hit it

[lofty depot]

Have u considered not forgetting

[silk shard]

that's what the sound alert is for

[lofty depot]

Lol, just need an internal clock

[maiden jackal]

I have mt inportant cds near middle of screen, but I dont want to clutter my screen with utilities so I had an addon that did sound/visual popups for other abilities

[lofty depot]

And glance at cdm

Instead ur looking at ur cast bar smashing wrath go faster

[silk shard]

i thought the old warcraft 3 sound effects being in base cdm was a nostalgic touch

[maiden jackal]

I dont knpw how people play with 50 buttons centered around their screen and not get overstimmed

[lofty depot]

Well I don't have 50

It's like 12

And most of it is buff and CD tracking

I could play with like 6 tho

[maiden jackal]

Lowkey dont miss how obnoxious some wow players be

[silk shard]

what other abilities are you tracking?

[lofty depot]

Well some people actually have wrath, Starfire, surge, Starfall, dots, CDs

[maiden jackal]

I only have damage/healing cooldowns shown 24/7.

[lofty depot]

U don't need ur filler abilities on there, it's 1 proc that's instant after u enter eclipse. I know it's there

[silk shard]

pre-addon apocalypse i used to keep my main utility cds or big dam cds on the side but now i'm kind of utilizing bcdm style centered trackers under the AP bar

[lofty depot]

U don't need surge and starfall if u have asp bar and the buffs tracked

There's plenty of doubled up stuff people do that seem silly

[lucid olive]

the one buff i actually want to track

isnt in the cdm

hows that for irony

[lofty depot]

And tbf, unless ur giga minmaxing trying damage u could ignore it too

[silk shard]

orbit breaker stacks?

[lucid olive]

yeah

[silk shard]

i read the article

[lucid olive]

having full moon drop when youre either overcapped or outside of eclipse

thats the worst feeling

[lofty depot]

See a moon in convoke and not know if it's the convoke moon or OB

[lucid olive]

they should just make instant full moon casts

and then a talent that increases the damage of it

[round field]

bro we could barely get a working tracker going with weakauras, do you think blizzard is capable of making it

be honest

[lucid olive]

not at all

rework the talent

[lofty depot]

Well they have the shooting stars event in log.......

[lucid olive]

thats how they deal with issues

[lofty depot]

God forbid they use it

[lucid olive]

they rework it into something that'll be an issue in 2 years from now

[round field]

make orbit breaker drop a moon every few starfalls

[lucid olive]

that could be fun

i was thinking like "shooting stars has a chance to make your next full moon instant" and then a talent below thats "every free spender increases the damage of your next full moon"

[round field]

just let us use moons in some way

[lucid olive]

yeah i love that button

[round field]

its like the one cool button the spec has

[lofty depot]

Did u use moons during the 2 weeks it was good in aberrus

If u didn't, u don't care about moons

[maiden jackal]

I just like to have a popup/sounds notif for when any cd is ready. I will still keep my dps/heal cds shown to keep track, but it helps me a lot.

[round field]

you mean nerubar?

[lofty depot]

No

[lucid olive]

in the spec tree you have 3 talents that give additional spells, and they are vastly more fun to press than any of the other buttons

[lofty depot]

I mean abrrrus

[round field]

idk i didnt play abberus

[lofty depot]

Smh, doesn't care

[round field]

i tried playing it in nerubar when

it was simming high

wanted to kms unironically

[lucid olive]

what if it turns into Full Sun in solar eclipse

[round field]

with short eclipse

[lucid olive]

now thats a cook

[maiden jackal]

Would anyone know of an addon that does popups when a cd is ready?

[lucid olive]

in CA its Full Equilibrium cause you have both eclipses

im cooking

[lofty depot]

Put chatgpt down

[lucid olive]

do you think an AI would come up with a cook this good

[silk shard]

most addons nowadays are reskins of what's available from the cdm unfortunately.

[lofty depot]

Yes... And in this case it's a bad one, so it's ur own

Carry on

[maiden jackal]

Dang

[lucid olive]

yeah moons in nerubar was the perfect way to show people how out of place that spell is

just make some cool shit around it

but we're forced to be either "wrath damage builder bot" or "AP generator big surge machine"

no room for the cool spells

[maiden jackal]

I miss using full moon

[silk shard]

i had fun playing full moon on my 3rd druid during lemix

[maiden jackal]

I remember legion boomy

[silk shard]

yeah especially after the full moon cloak

[lofty depot]

U can play FM if u want

[lucid olive]

are you gonna be the innovator

[lofty depot]

Im gonna play beloren with sculpt the stars and total eclipse yes

[lucid olive]

hell yeah

[maiden jackal]

Dude it always felt so awesome getting off a full moon in both pve and pvp

[lofty depot]

Ruin ur article

[lucid olive]

i was thinking the same thing

every week i take different talents that havent been played on the boss yet

[lofty depot]

Big tech

[maiden jackal]

I remember full mooning in arenas that was so fun

[lucid olive]

has anyone played arcane affinity

[lofty depot]

I did

[charred mango]

the best part of full moon is when your melee mald at you because they’re playing top down and their whole screen becomes a moon briefly

[royal zenith]

real innovators over here, playing an 'off-meta' talent 3 months into the patch

[lofty depot]

AA sims better than lunation

[royal zenith]

[lucid olive]

DURABILITY OF NATURE

im cooking

[lofty depot]

Are u sure

[maiden jackal]

Lol

[lofty depot]

Pretty sure I don't see a fire

[lucid olive]

okay every choice node in keeker

the other node has not been taken

early spring and power of the dream doesnt sound that bad or

can get double trees in egg phase with early spring..

[lofty depot]

If u had control maybe lol

[lucid olive]

yeah one talent at a time

SOTF has fallen below 1% so it shows as 0

[lofty depot]

Btw ..... Need a new apl line for recklessness

[lucid olive]

write one

is recklesness different

[lofty depot]

If ur playing feather u would reckless before

[royal zenith]

WhY ArE YoU DoINg TrOlL SiMs -arctic 2k26

never forgetti

[lucid olive]

whos playing feather

[lofty depot]

One of my guildies lol

[lucid olive]

tell him to bonus roll a vaelgor

game throws loot at you

[lofty depot]

Prob

[maiden jackal]

What's the dungeon rotation

I havent reached max level yet I just started playing again

[maiden jackal]

Og magister?

[lofty depot]

No

[maiden jackal]

Awe

[silk shard]

midnight storyline new magisters

[lofty depot]

New pit

New lots of things

Welcome to new content

[lucid olive]

Pit feels out of place in the rotation tbh

too old

[silk shard]

pit is same story as the og one but they had to update some of the trashpacks and boss mechanics

[maiden jackal]

I love seeing old dungeons mythic plusified

[lucid olive]

cant wait for nokhud next season

[lofty depot]

They bring back old dungeons thinking they were liked cuz of the aesthetic... Then they add all the slop and u go.... Well I don't like it now

[silk shard]

imagine shattered halls mythic +

[lofty depot]

Nah, bring back arcway

[silk shard]

i'd be down for arcway

[maiden jackal]

Pandaria dungeons :3

[lofty depot]

All the panda dungeons are cheeks

[silk shard]

i always think i want pandaria dungeons back for M+ till it's a MoP timewalking week and then its like nah i'm good

[lucid olive]

stormstout brewery would go hard

[silk shard]

those are our ... alementals?

[midnight bough]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/does-balance-druid-have-too-many-choices-balance-druid-retrospective-for-381686 I dont understand this post I've seen a total of 2 balance druids this season but I only do m+ and chim

[lofty depot]

Who

[loud kettle]

ok

did you like

have a question or

[midnight bough]

I reread the title I thought it was something like "are there too many balance druids" and not "too many choices" whoops

[lucid olive]

okay based

[exotic perch]

reading comprehension in 2026 hmm

[royal zenith]

definitely too many balance druids

for how shit it is..

[dreamy locust]

I mean, thats always how druid/pally/hunter are

They gonna have a ton of players who just play them and dont swap no matter the tuning

[royal zenith]

well I was kidding

but you are right ye

[dreamy locust]

Boomy used to be like up there with pally, but honestly it HAS been droppin for a while

[lofty depot]

Curious, cuz the tuning is better than before

Dropping?

[dreamy locust]

Yeah, compared to what the playercount of druid used to be

Like 2-3 expacs ago

[lofty depot]

2-3 expects ago was covid

The player base as a whole has dropped

[normal pilot]

idk if it's dropped that much

[dreamy locust]

There was a long patch where druid/boomy was like a much larger pool of players by parses

[normal pilot]

honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was higher now than in middle/end of SL

[dreamy locust]

Compared to where it is even now

[lofty depot]

Well boomy was op as shit in SL so