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dull dust
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dr who is a goated show

dense steeple
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ok

dull dust
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a silent is a monster that when u look away u forget everything u did after seeing it to begin with

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and it lives on earth

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just watching

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so u see it

copper gate
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yo does anyone know if worgen can be in combat outside of wolf form? similar to evokers and not being a scalie when casting/attacking

dull dust
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presumably scream and freak out

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turn to run forget why u wre running

drifting nova
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personfiied object permanance

fair pasture
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P.O.O.P

drifting nova
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maybe I'll rewatch the tennant+ episodes idk

copper gate
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😭

drifting nova
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only really remember the weeping angel episode

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kinda spooked me as a kid

lucid olive
lofty depot
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Wet dog wants to be a chicken

dull dust
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also when I stopped watching it

drifting nova
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SuspiciousChicken wat

cloud citrus
dull dust
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@lofty depot

meager storm
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chat

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i think im stuck at the start

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omgBruh this seed is cursed

calm ibex
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Skill issue @meager storm

meager storm
dull dust
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wtf is that

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ooga booga sims

calm ibex
meager storm
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my goat hope you doing good too

lofty depot
dull dust
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hi

lofty depot
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Hi

fair pasture
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ugh trying to pug a dk for chimmy aaa

dull dust
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Just invite more boomkins

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stacking optional

lofty depot
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Don't need one, just kick it

dreamy locust
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Shammy also good, tremor totems/cap/short ranged kick

lofty depot
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Don't need tremor if we kick

uncut roost
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B

bold cedar
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C

digital berry
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anyone know what addon just added this shit to my ui

drifting nova
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had to uninstall it

digital berry
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wtf is that

drifting nova
scarlet holly
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Just starfall on dragons?

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Surge on proc?

digital berry
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yeah

digital berry
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@lofty depot is the theory behind convoke on lura to hold it until adds are dead ?

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or you cant delay it too much cause of losing too much boat value

vagrant prawn
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H or M?

digital berry
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what a rude ass question

vagrant prawn
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I mean casting convoke into a 99% damage reduction seems like a rude ass* question

digital berry
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the boss has dmg reduction in myth when adds are up?

lofty depot
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Surges will go into boss wraths don't matter they splash regardless

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No

digital berry
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not by much a couple cds

lofty depot
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Well that's so they get stacked

digital berry
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oh ok makes sense

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incarn + foe was so mnuch more fun then convoke

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at least i was high up there on the meters

lofty depot
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U'll be high on the meter later

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When it matters

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Also ur can do the same damage as u were doing with incarn

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The highest I was ever doing was 14m when everyone was trying. With convoke I could get 10-10.5

digital berry
drifting nova
lofty depot
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the matrixes or w.e.

digital berry
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oihh not when they are up so who cares

scarlet holly
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Is there a way to have a tracker with Better CDM for Eclipse uptime?

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I keep fucking up and not hitting it quick enough

digital berry
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quick enough?

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like youre sitting on 2 charges?

regal mauve
scarlet holly
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No, not sitting on 2 TYPICALLY

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Might happen bc im using incarn/CA on pull so its tech on 2 charges for first like 20s

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Usually Incarn/CA>2 eclipse>incarn/ca

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But like in between (when incarn/CA ends or regular eclipse ends) I tend to fuck up a bit and let it drop

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Any pointers are welcome and appreciated, even constructive shit

lofty depot
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u talented into convoke

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and didnt press it once

sudden pawn
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i tried the convoke build on lura

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was aight

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i cant help but thinking, convoke just feels so fucking clunky

lofty depot
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iiiiiiiiiii

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dislike convoke and rattle

sudden pawn
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ya its fucking dreadful

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no procs no flow

lofty depot
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its just so formulatic

sudden pawn
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just a cd bot

lofty depot
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ye

sudden pawn
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i think i just dislike convoke tho out of the 2

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the most

lofty depot
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casting starfire in solar

sudden pawn
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oh well

lofty depot
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trees wrong again

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assumption being u should read the guide

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likely sniped the raid build from wowhead, should go read the guide aswell

digital berry
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uptime doesnt work like that

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it's about not sitting on max charges and using it when needed

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entering eclipse with 0 asp is just silly

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and holding a bunch of asp at the end of CA is silly

dense steeple
normal pilot
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disgusting blue logger

dense steeple
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i died

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12 seconds before boss did

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also that was the first time we hit second egg

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literally tripped into the kill

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AND

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we got dagger

stone ledge
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belo feels so comp dependant

dense steeple
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we hold for like 8 seconds in first p1

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so sad

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also why does a 289 -> 298 jump give me a new mog

fickle pier
dense steeple
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Its okay, maybe on reclears I. A month

ripe slate
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is it p1 factory time for you

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a soldier enters the mines

sudden pawn
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p1 laura so ez now

loud kettle
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it is easy and yet

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still spam wiping to it

delicate perch
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Well don’t do that

loud kettle
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I will take that advice into consideration

delicate perch
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You’d listen to a boomkin player?

loud kettle
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I was being nice

royal zenith
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Are you nice tho or is it just being nice

loud kettle
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I'll leave that up to your interpretation

drifting nova
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classic dutch suspicion

livid jay
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This first point in the prio list: Does that not also count if im about to press eclipse and the dot would fall off before it expires? Has that changed?

lofty depot
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it matters a lot more in ca inc

livid jay
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yea definitely but this is the only mention of sunfire in the list

lofty depot
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becuase trees casts moonfire

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as does convoke

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but also thats not true

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moonfire is under it

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u just took a picture of not that line

livid jay
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huh

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im not talking about moonfire

lofty depot
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well its ur dots but yes

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thats the only mention of moonfire as well

livid jay
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is my brain cooked cause im sick or are we talking past each other

dull dust
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ive decided mahranaka is correct

lofty depot
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who

dull dust
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ive read nothing however

lofty depot
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the point is that u would redot prior to cds

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and that redotting in eclipse is fine

livid jay
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ok sure

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because i been pressing sunfire if i have 12 seconds left on it and next global is eclipse

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but i guess thats wrong then

lofty depot
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that would be wrong yes

livid jay
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nice

lofty depot
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u can enter eclipse, dump asp and then dot instead of 1 wrath cast

craggy sonnet
brisk moss
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how dogshit is balance if you were to have no raid trinkets compared to having gaze/dragons

lofty depot
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pretty beans

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vaelgors more so

brisk moss
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I assumed so

lofty depot
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but nonethelsss

brisk moss
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Yea that's usually the case

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vaelgors is pretty nuts for any int class

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Alright ty was just looking at an alt for splits and mythic lura alt runs

lofty depot
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feather better for lock

brisk moss
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might just end up tanking it since i'm to lazy to get vaelgors

lofty depot
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think good for ele too

brisk moss
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Feather is really good on ele atm yea

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Idk anything about lock this tier havent played it for a while

brisk moss
# lofty depot vaelgors more so

Do you know a ballpark %# difference between bis m+ and raid trinkets i dont really have a toon or i'd sim to lazy to add 16 custom items

lofty depot
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uhhh no cuz the 298 thing is diffy

brisk moss
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Didnt think about that kinda forgot i'd have to set it all to 298

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Alr i'll just set up a sim then ty for your time gl

lofty depot
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p sure like champ from champ was like 4% from like charm to vaelgors

brisk moss
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Alrighty

floral ocean
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I just did a 15 pitt key where the devour and affliction lock were doing so much damage i was relegated to talking to the npcs for them

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lol

twin lotus
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yeah...

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It's a bit insane how unbalanced M+ is

floral ocean
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should i just play one button feral lol

twin lotus
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We had renewal removed but DKs still are immortal

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they do like 25% more dmg

floral ocean
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we'll never recover from the bubble of the venthyr moonkin season lol

royal zenith
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There's a reason why devourer and dk are meta though

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I get that you also want balance druid to be meta

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and if mobs die fast, you'll do less damage as balance

ruby badger
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Cope

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Maybe not the mobs die fast bit (I think that's still cope) but plenty of vods of canexx out dps'ing title range meta dps

dull dust
ruby badger
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That's kush bro

dull dust
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i mean if u compare a diamond to a stone wcyd

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gotta compare diamonds

ruby badger
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Obviously all things equal you'll get smoked but in a 15 complaining about devourers when you still got so much of the class to squeeze out is weak

dull dust
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i agree

round field
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bamkin just dogshit

craggy sonnet
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things aint equal in a 15?

ruby badger
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Canexx and Kush are both squeezing out basically all the juice of their specs

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in a 15 I've seen things

sudden flame
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284 ilvl boomkin did bro just make the character yesterday catpointingandlaughingemoji

stone ledge
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If ur not 291 ur trollin

sudden flame
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facts

dull dust
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april log

stone ledge
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Think max (with craft) is like 290.78 or sum shit

round field
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damn

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crests got uncapped

royal zenith
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if you're gonna compare any dps to the meta dps you will always look shit

jade flume
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Bamkin is trash straight up

finite flame
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Is there anyone who show’s rotasjon for balance in a nice manner like woodoo for the devour dh ?

royal zenith
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whodoo

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I think tettles had a rotation video on youtube... but that's probably old by now

sudden flame
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name a better duo than video guides and being outdated

lucid olive
sudden flame
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changes to damage to boss.....

ancient pagoda
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In WowAnalyzer, I have reworked the DoTs section. Constructive feedback much appreciated !
Also, the Eclipse section is on its way. Ideas are welcome as well 🙂

ancient pagoda
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Live now

lucid olive
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i'll probably send you a DM later with feature requests

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but thanks for taking the time to upkeep the module

ancient pagoda
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Much appreciated, feel free to DM me !

dense dawn
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Using ascendent core on a Hero piece does it make it 289 Myth?

fossil hemlock
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285

lucid olive
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Eclipse should maybe be added to this; it can be important in order to contextualize your Convoke and Force of Nature casts. Like in the Midnight Falls log this specific picture is from, the 3 Force of Nature and Convoke casts in the middle are also used with Eclipse. If I didn't specifically hold Eclipse to line up for that I would do less damage as my cooldowns are not layered, and the Force of Nature and Convoke casts should then be marked somehow that they're used wrong.

Alternatively, I think maybe the best solution would be a reworked Cooldowns feature that tells you whether a specific press of the cooldown was bad, okay or good, since there are very specific rules for what order you want to press them.

Your cooldown windows should always go, in order:
Fury of Elune (if talented)
Force of Nature (if talented)
Celestial Alignment/Incarnation (if Keeper: always use on the GCD after Force of Nature unless fight is ending in less than 20 seconds)
Convoke the Spirits (at low Astral Power, this usually means you spend AP between your Celestial Alignment and your Convoke)

🔴 BAD COOLDOWNS:

  1. Pressing Celestial Alignment/Incarnation as Keeper of the Grove WITHOUT Force of Nature ever being used with it

  2. Pressing Force of Nature without the next cast being either Eclipse or CA/Incarnation right after

  3. Convoke the Spirits cast without Force of Nature or Eclipse/CA/Incarnation active

  4. Any Eclipse/CA/Incarnation window where your next 2 casts aren't Starsurge/Starfall

🟡 OKAY COOLDOWNS:

  1. Pressing Force of Nature right after your Celestial Alignment/Incarnation: It is optimal to do it on the global before, but pressing it right after is better than not pressing at all

  2. Any CA/Incarnation pressed that ended up capping your Eclipse CD during its duration. (If your Eclipse has 12 seconds left on its recharge, then using CA/Incarnation will cause the spell to sit capped at 2 charges for a bit, being wasted uptime. In this case you would either delay your CDs to play out bits of a new Eclipse window or use an Eclipse earlier in order to not be at risk of capping charges)

  3. Convoke the Spirits cast when you have enough AP for a Starsurge/Starfall

🟢 GOOD COOLDOWNS:

  1. Force of Nature casts that are directly followed by Eclipse/CA/Incarn

  2. Any Eclipse/CA/Incarnation window where your next 3 casts are either Starsurge/Starfall, Convoke (assuming correct Convoke conditions) or a Wrath/Starfire cast that consumes Ascendant Fires

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This is wrong. Casting a Starfire if it's to spend Ascendant Fires buff inside CA/Incarn is a good filler (Wrath is also a good filler in this scenario; the cast doesn't matter)

round field
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Im not reading all that, im happy for you or im sorry that it happened

lucid olive
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This is also wrong; casting Starfall on Single Target is good if it's to consume Touch the Cosmos buff under specific talent combinations

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Casting Starsurge here is good since it's from a Touch The Cosmos/Starweaver's Weft proc

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The Sunfire here would be a bad cast as it's during the start of your cooldowns on the same target

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This should also be reflected here; Sunfire casts done before using CA/Incarnation while the remaining time on Sunfire is less than 15/20 (depending on whether you play CA or Incarnation) would be a good cast and should not be red

drifting nova
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yeah but what does alexa have to say about that

lucid olive
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An example of a Yellow colored Moonfire/Sunfire (OK) would be during the opener where you optimally want to Moonfire first (this is because Treants will reapply your Moonfire, saving you a GCD on your Sunfire pandemic)

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Also, like 90% of this only really applies for Keeper of the Grove

fossil hemlock
delicate perch
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@ grok is that all true

drifting nova
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claude, fraud

lucid olive
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Keeper of the Grove has a LOT of intricacies with cooldown management, and if WoWAnalyzer could support the conditions for knowing which CD is casted badly and which is good, it would be an amazing tool

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The past expansion+ the only value WoWAnalyzer has had are the default "being able to see uptime in the timeline" and "contextualizing your Starlord avg haste gain" features, which are very low effort relative to the things the website can do

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I sent basically the same message to Rex months ago when I was told he was working on it; he added a few things, but not nearly everything

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Don't think WoWAnalyzer has had a moonkin person upkeeping the module before either so it's basically always been left in the dust without passion to upkeep it

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@ancient pagoda doing a second ping to be annoying + to make sure you've seen it

craggy sonnet
lucid olive
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was gonna add in ascendant fires then my brain got caught up in "bbbut cccconvoke" and i malfunctioned

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basically the thought was

Good:
CA -> Starsurge -> Starsurge -> Convoke -> Starfire -> Starsurge

Okay:
CA -> Starsurge -> Starsurge -> Starfire -> Convoke

Bad:
CA -> Convoke -> Starfire -> Starsurge

craggy sonnet
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wonder if you would just put some kinda ap threshold + proc condition on the ecl/ca/incarn cast to determine if good/ok/bad

lucid olive
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as an example

craggy sonnet
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since you could have enough ap to make the ecl correct

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but then still press wrong buttons after

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so these presses after are wrong

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but the cd may still be correct

lucid olive
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WoWanalyzer already has modules that track your casts inside Eclipse/CA

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for specifically spenders and builders you can just point at a specific cast and say "this is bad" cause you know the conditions

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if you just blanket have an AP threshold you would see someone cast at 120 AP and then insta Convoke or something

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which would be probably the worst thing you could do

craggy sonnet
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ye, to me that would mark the ca as good but the convoke as bad

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yknow?

lucid olive
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not that it matters cause i am fully expecting wowanalyzer to go another expansion without support

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unless @jolly delta makes his own

craggy sonnet
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but it depends how you wanna package stuff together i guess

jolly delta
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I tried contributing to wowana but the docs were bad and it requires integration with wclogs

lucid olive
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There are so many headaches involved in not only understanding Moonkin CD management, but also trying to explain it to people in a digestible way

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and WoWAnalyzer could help make that a lot easier

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it just needs support for the very specific rules around when you send your cooldowns

jolly delta
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tbh

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I wonder

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I think it might be possible to do something relatively automated

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in the sense that

craggy sonnet
lucid olive
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that one is overcooked imo

jolly delta
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making a tool that takes a log and an apl

lucid olive
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you can limit it to be "if you have 2 Starfall talents then Starfall on cosmos"

jolly delta
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and then shows you all casts that do not respect the apl

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with some reasonable margin of error

lucid olive
jolly delta
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idk if that would be useful

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am just thinking out loud

lucid olive
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yeah i get it

craggy sonnet
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not sure how you'd do that

lucid olive
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a tool like wowanalyzer is best when it's made and maintained by players

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it's a tool for learning

craggy sonnet
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if you ever stray from the apl, think it would just become a mess

lucid olive
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the APL is not a tool for learning

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a player can read the APL and then contextualize it in wowanalyzer for sure, which is probably the better thing to do when it comes to cooldown conditions

warm meadow
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core it is ig

lucid olive
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it also puts more pressure on the wowanalyzer maintainer to know APL, and since it's generally a thankless job, same as any 3rd party WoW guide or tool, i don't see anyone being willing to do it for longer than a season without crashing out

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impressed with how long Sref stayed in it to begin with (even tho he's a feral player)

craggy sonnet
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sref also did the entire druid module, right?

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at least also resto

lucid olive
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yeah i think so

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he put a lot of effort in, but think his passion kept dwindling after TWW launch

pseudo merlin
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@drifting nova closest fiary ring to a tp?

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farm G?

drifting nova
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on what

pseudo merlin
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wdym on what

twin lotus
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gamz with the quality content as usual

drifting nova
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reg orl eagues

twin lotus
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🐐

pseudo merlin
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oh reg lmao

drifting nova
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quest cape

pseudo merlin
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dont have that

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next

drifting nova
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git gud

pseudo merlin
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my 100th task

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bro...

drifting nova
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guess farm guild isnt bad

pseudo merlin
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ye its pretty close

drifting nova
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edgeville glory works

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or varrock ge tele

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basically the same

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if no quest cape, defo dont have one in house

pseudo merlin
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oh ye i need to train construction

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just a few more synapses first

drifting nova
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need to get an onyx, cba buying runes

pseudo merlin
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how do you even get one

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on league I pickpocketed gem stall for an hour

drifting nova
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32k~ chaos, sell to shop

pseudo merlin
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oh

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how do you get the chaos

drifting nova
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shoppe

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its like 3m

pseudo merlin
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infinite from normal shop in non league??

craggy sonnet
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rav .. are you like afraid to get into kekkers dms?

pseudo merlin
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yes

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you should be too

drifting nova
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na, but hopping isnt terrible

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33k, half stock 3k, 10worlds

pseudo merlin
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ic

ancient pagoda
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Thanks @lucid olive for the awesome post, lots of good things to incorporate in the guide. Also, I'm glad you posted it here, it started an interesting discussion.

  • My current work on Eclipse/CA/Incarn will integrate the use of other cooldowns during/before them. But indeed I would need to add a dedicated section to highlight whether FoE/FoN/Convoke have been used correctly.
  • For now I have not touched the ability timeline but it definitely needs some fixes.
  • Sunfire/Moonfire casts in the reworked DoT section are marked as good if the DoTs would not have lasted at least 10s during burst window. Tell me if not fine, it stemmed from a discussion with @craggy sonnet
  • Regarding AP before burst window to ensure 3 spenders : I have tried adding a count of AP before burst window, but it seemed a bit off. I'm currently implementing a timer before first 3 spenders during a burst window : I don't have to code a lot of weird stuff and it showcases whether the player cast his first 3 spenders ASAP
  • I agree that this guide should not be "did you follow this monstruous APL ?". The APL is awesome for a simbot but this guide aims at explaining to a player what he did wrong and why. Indicators and explanations are paramount.
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FYI I have this part ready on a fork, and I'm working on assessing each burst window (activity, time before 3 spenders, FoE/FoN/Convoke)

lucid olive
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and you want to stack/consume those 3 effects asap

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and they all take 3 spenders to stack

lucid olive
ancient pagoda
ancient pagoda
lucid olive
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Since Fury of Elune is not affected by Control of the Dream

fossil hemlock
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I'm glad we have alternatives for FoE, FoE just doesn't feel nice in KOTG

ancient pagoda
lucid olive
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yeah that's probably good

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sometimes holding Treants to line up with FoE can make your Eclipse overcap or lose Control of the Dream value etc

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but checking the uptime inside CDs probably a good compromise

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if all cooldowns are available you always want to do it in the order of Fury of Elune -> Force of Nature -> CA/Incarn

ancient pagoda
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The tricky part is : I can add this indicator for every Incarn/CA, but it's kinda optional on Eclipse. Thus the need for another CD section that states whether a FoE/FoN/Convoke was not capped and used within an Eclipse/CA/Incarn

lucid olive
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cause Fury of Elune doesn't really do damage, it's just a way to generate AP

fierce bolt
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So i'm brand new to balance druid and using assisted highlight while I fine tune my mental from FDK to Balance, is it just flat out lying when its telling me to slam moonfire during a single target boss or is there some big brain things i'm not understanding

lucid olive
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wowhead or compendium on dreamgrove linked in pins

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if you're unsure about whether to moonfire on single target then you would benefit more from reading the priority list than you would playing with assisted highlight

ancient pagoda
fierce bolt
ancient pagoda
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But I'm totally open to discussion here

lucid olive
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Fury of Elune can probably be whatever but you want to use that early to gen AP for your cooldowns

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A lot of players use Force of Nature after pressing their CA/Incarn instead of before and it is always bad to do

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I guess the value in WoWAnalyzer to me is being able to send it to someone and screenshot whenever they ask for log reviews

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and proper sequencing of cooldowns is one of the easiest things to catch since it happens during the first 10-15 seconds of a fight

ancient pagoda
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Okay I see your point ! I can maybe flag as just "OK" an overlap of 100% between FoE/FoN and a burst window, with some explanations in a tooltip. And add more texts in the CD section.

tawny cloud
lucid olive
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thats fine

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are you progging lura

tawny cloud
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Beloran atm.

lucid olive
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remember that Lura procs the vers buff from your Hunt embellishment

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so might be better to use 2x Arcanoweave on that boss

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but the difference should be minimal if any

tawny cloud
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mm okay. mainly trying to figure out what weapon to get. could go with a myth OH as well then craft a belt for that boss

lucid olive
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if anything youd craft a cloak i think

tawny cloud
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i got both catalyst cloak and myth cloak from Dragons atm. and myth belt from Dreamrift i can catalyst

craggy sonnet
tawny cloud
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think i was too focused with a crafted OH

craggy sonnet
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ofc you'd have to craft another embellishment then

tawny cloud
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yeah figures 😄 ill get back to simming 😄

craggy sonnet
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gotta be cloak tho (unless you wanna put a focusing lens on the neck)

lucid olive
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what you have currently is fine tbh

craggy sonnet
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both, your belt and boots are already good

lucid olive
craggy sonnet
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ye .. can also just continue playing with hunt

lucid olive
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but the difference is only like 0.3% either way

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and its not like proccing the vers buff on hunt is a catastrophe either

tawny cloud
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im fine with a hunt embelishment, i do other stuff than just progress on Lura 😄 and a little vers never hurt anybody

round field
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vers is for pussies

ruby badger
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Vers is goated

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It gives you DR, healing and damage

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other stats only give you damage

round field
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If ur char doesnt look like this ur a fucking loser

fossil hemlock
ruby badger
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Fuck...

lofty depot
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Fuggn John Versa over here

wintry umbra
lucid olive
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is that a real question

round field
lucid olive
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irony not lost on that guy

wintry umbra
royal zenith
#

you're right to ask

#

armory is so useless that a character named armory shows up when you google it!!

lucid olive
#

but wow is so popular that it's also the first hit when you search armory

royal zenith
#

wow's been around for long, ye

round field
#

i am playing dh

#

so i dont possess a versa buff

eager raft
royal zenith
#

hello

eager raft
#

hope ur having a nice week 🙂

sudden flame
kindred token
jolly delta
#

this spec distribution looking weird

warm meadow
#

so pink

normal pilot
#

nerf others

proven rapids
lucid olive
#

no all my google searches are real objective truth

craggy sonnet
proven rapids
#

They probably still know it's you

craggy sonnet
#

surely probably

#

or maybe it is actually the top hit

loud kettle
#

I dont see wow armory as first hit when I search just armory

#

Its not even on first page

#

I cant seem to find it at all

normal pilot
#

yeah i don't see it at all vpn + incog they're prolly tracking you other ways

proven rapids
#

Even in private mode with a VPN

pallid bay
#

they have your fingerprints..

jolly delta
#

my fingerprints.....................

craggy sonnet
#

maybe its a regional thing

pallid bay
#

maybe they just know its you..

#

always watching..

craggy sonnet
#

if you can tell me how

#

probably armory much more of a buzzword in the us

round field
#

bro every company in the whole wide world knows everything about u down to ur shoe size

proven rapids
round field
#

privacy isnt a thing

proven rapids
#

I have a hard time finding the armory even when I Google wow armory

craggy sonnet
#

ok .. so they dont know its you but they do know its me

#

checks out

proven rapids
#

Search results are all personalized

#

The results that show up for one person can be completely different than the results for another

craggy sonnet
#

yeah, and you are not in the wow bubble

proven rapids
#

I definitely am lol

round field
#

post logs

proven rapids
royal zenith
#

kathryn is right btw

round field
#

deux would know

#

he like rigs google search results for a living

normal pilot
#

i could see it coming up more outside english speaking locales since you would have less matches for the actual use of the word

royal zenith
round field
#

that doesnt matter manyways

#

google will be ai slop soon

royal zenith
#

it already is

round field
#

no no its getting worse

royal zenith
#

people have stopped visiting websites more and more cause of AI overviews

#

good thing ChatGPT will have more advertising soon though

#

and the USA is still more fucked than the EU cause no GDPR

proven rapids
pallid bay
royal zenith
#

yeh they will

#

it's just easy access, people love it

pallid bay
royal zenith
#

like buying overpriced vegetables that are pre-cut

round field
#

this is like omega cursed no

royal zenith
#

There is a way to check what 'interests' are linked to your google account

#

but I forgor the link

#

to get a feeling of what they track

#

things like "cat lover"

royal zenith
#

people thought mobile phones were the devil back in the day

#

wcyd

round field
#

yeah but they were right..

royal zenith
#

what IS scary though, is google broadcasting they were able to counter the first bad-faith actor/user of AI

#

gl world

craggy sonnet
#

just that they can identify this session, or?

normal pilot
#

this seems wrong, there's no way firefox has 34.09% share

lucid olive
craggy sonnet
proven rapids
pallid bay
craggy sonnet
#

firefox heads more likely to do so

proven rapids
#

It's like how people think your phone is listening to you all the time but they don't, in fact it's so much worse than that.

craggy sonnet
royal zenith
#

only a problem if you have something to hide..

#

(jk they actually sell your data)

craggy sonnet
#

im just curious

#

idc if they sell my data

proven rapids
proven rapids
dense steeple
royal zenith
#

It's good to be atleast aware of it

round field
#

i think people who care too much about the shit companies do with your data are a bit crazy tbh

royal zenith
#

don't post your photos from going out in the weekends on the inet iqni

lucid olive
#

everyone knows everything about me anyway so i just try to be the most boring ass person

royal zenith
#

rip

dense steeple
#

How is that boring

proven rapids
loud kettle
#

The site doesnt even compare assuming it even got ur fingerprint

royal zenith
#

it does leave behind a cookie for 4months to actually track your fingerprint

#

gg's

lucid olive
royal zenith
#

no longer unique

round field
royal zenith
#

they don't have GDPR iqni

round field
#

unlucky

proven rapids
royal zenith
#

or anything similar

proven rapids
#

Not even just health insurance, auto or home insurance

royal zenith
#

they made an effort over here to actually protect us, the consumer

dense steeple
royal zenith
#

from exactly what is described rn

dense steeple
#

Nice try psyop

round field
#

go eu

proven rapids
#

For profit Insurance is a scam anyways..

proven rapids
#

Like. Almost definitionally

dense steeple
#

You wanna know what's a scam?

loud kettle
#

I hear our president doesnt care about our financial situation

proven rapids
lucid olive
#

definitely not

#

you're getting exactly your 15 bucks in sub money worth

dense steeple
#

Going to a dealer cause they have a "lease this car for 279 a month with this money down"

Then i show up with that money down and approval, and they quote me 650 a month for taxes and fees

proven rapids
#

That's why I buy clapped out used junkers on CL for $900 and cry when they catastrophically break down 3 weeks later

dense steeple
#

Like bro dont advertise 279 everywhere if its not even fuckin close

#

Im done driving junkers

#

I will be getting a new car

#

Lease for 36 months then finance the rest

proven rapids
#

I'll probably never afford a brand new car, which is a shame

exotic perch
#

just buy a used car for cash

#

easiest way

dense steeple
#

Believe it or not, not as expensive as it seems

proven rapids
#

I'd really love to own a brand new V8 manual transmission anything

exotic perch
#

and something 5-10 years old

lucid olive
#

how are the laws on how beat down a car can be before you're not allowed to drive it

dense steeple
exotic perch
#

depends on state by state gamz

lucid olive
#

or is it just "if it runs then fuck it"

lofty depot
#

Until the cop pulls u over

lucid olive
#

do you have like bi-annual checkups

proven rapids
lofty depot
#

No

exotic perch
#

there are inspections you have to have and some states are more complex

dense steeple
proven rapids
lofty depot
#

Get ur money up

dense steeple
proven rapids
#

My state luckily doesn't have safety inspections because those are just a poor tax

royal zenith
#

you're right Gamz

#

it's like common sense over here to NOT have a beat up car

#

cause law

lucid olive
#

Norway has like EU mandated inspection every 2 years after the car is 4 years old

lofty depot
#

Disgusting

dense steeple
#

350 a month not a bad deal

lucid olive
#

and which month of the year it happens in depends on the last letter of your license plate

exotic perch
#

yeah when i lived im massachusetts the inspections were more strict with emissions and drivability

#

in kansas now its a joke comparatively

lofty depot
#

Come live in the corn fields where no one cares

exotic perch
#

they just make sure it runs

dense steeple
royal zenith
#

destruction derby when

lucid olive
#

every 2 years its a gamble whether it's worth to buy a new car or keep it

lofty depot
#

We used to have those

proven rapids
royal zenith
#

oh no

#

not credit score

exotic perch
#

i wont tell you which place had better social services either based on those 2 states...

proven rapids
#

Also I'd never buy a Kia or a Hyundai

royal zenith
#

do not..

lofty depot
#

U could get $300 a money

dense steeple
lucid olive
#

never worried about credit score

#

prob most american thing ive heard

royal zenith
#

yeah it is

#

it's their minigame

lofty depot
#

Go donate plasma and platelets

lucid olive
#

thats like right up there with yeehaw partner

dense steeple
#

And if youre being picky against Kia when poor then you probably shouldn't be worrying about buying a car

proven rapids
lofty depot
#

Kia good car

dense steeple
#

Saw a used 24 civic with 50k miles they wanted 450 a month for it. Or I can get a brand new Kia with 5 miles on it for 350 a month

proven rapids
#

Why would I buy a new car anyways.
It's a waste of money vs buying one used

dense steeple
#

Its not?

proven rapids
#

Well let me rephrase

dense steeple
#

I just said a used car is just as expensive if not more than a new car

proven rapids
#

It's a waste of money for me to buy new

lucid olive
# royal zenith it's their minigame

we've had some companies over here that like track your credit score, and they hired some B list celebrities to advertise for them, going up to people on the street like "you wanna check your credit score??? wow its so exciting"

dense steeple
#

Ive been to 6 dealerships this week

#

Im not pulling these numbers out of my ass

proven rapids
lucid olive
#

looks like you've been ranked on a leaderboard based on your credit score

dense steeple
lucid olive
#

americans will play the credit score minigame and then make fun of china social credit in the same breath

proven rapids
#

I'm not gonna buy a car that's gonna fall apart in a year?

#

I'm not sure where you got that impression

royal zenith
#

aren't you 2 just talking about preference

dense steeple
#

If a used car cost 10k it probably has 150k miles on it lmao

lucid olive
#

wtf is a mile

proven rapids
#

Also, that doesn't matter?

royal zenith
#

also soma can just sell his car to people like you, after it's been used...

proven rapids
#

Some cars will purr happily at 150k miles

lucid olive
#

oh 241km

proven rapids
#

A Honda Civic is barely broken in

lucid olive
#

thats far

#

hows a car at 10k gone that far???

proven rapids
#

At all

#

It's gonna be older and higher mileage for sure, but doing even the slightest due diligence before you buy it will prevent problems

dense steeple
#

Theres 2 brands that are fine at 150k or more here

proven rapids
#

I know how to shop for cars and what to look out for.

dense steeple
#

Everything else is struggling

lucid olive
#

i bought my car for 5k and it had gone 62 miles

lofty depot
#

My f250 gonna die soon, it at 125

lucid olive
#

bit less than that

proven rapids
dense steeple
#

Like i said, 2 brands are okay at 150

#

Honda and toyota

proven rapids
#

Lol

#

Okay

dense steeple
#

And even then why would I spend 10k on something with 150k+ when I can spend 18-20k on something with 0

royal zenith
#

godbless toyota

#

(I know nothing about cars, but my mechanic buddy said it's bis engine block)

proven rapids
dense steeple
#

Its not just engine, its transmission, its wheels, its alternator, belts so much can go wrong

dense steeple
#

Theyre actually 17k

proven rapids
lofty depot
#

18k isn't a lot to pay for a new car btw

proven rapids
#

I'm picky about cars though, I'd rather get something used that I actually like and want to drive vs the cheapest new car I can find

#

Life is too short to drive cars you don't like

lofty depot
#

Function vs fashion

#

Smh

dense steeple
#

I was pretty against the idea of Kia until I was offered one for less than 350 a month

#

So I test drove it. And it was the second best car out of 12test drives in the last 3 days

royal zenith
#

less than 350 a month

#

like a lease or what

lofty depot
#

12 test drives

dense steeple
proven rapids
#

I'm still against the idea of any Kia or Hyundai that isn't an EV.
But mostly because I don't want anything with an automatic or a CVT if I can help it

royal zenith
lofty depot
#

EV... Smh

lucid olive
#

automatic is bis

#

fuck a manual

lofty depot
#

Gonna go drive around the block in my work truck real quick to kill off all ur savings

dense steeple
#

Its so strange to me that youre like i want a v8 manual, I do not want a cvt, but then at the same time youre like "I want an EV"

proven rapids
royal zenith
#

that's also something reversed from EU

#

you guys nearly always get automatic or?

lofty depot
#

Yes

dense steeple
#

"I'm still against the idea of any Kia or Hyundai that isn't an EV. "

What does this mean then

lucid olive
#

mostly all cars here are manual

#

you have to specify if its automatic

royal zenith
#

^

lucid olive
#

also everybody learns to drive manual

proven rapids
lofty depot
#

Manual probably less than 10% of sedans or

lucid olive
#

you can get a license thats for automatic only but literally nobody gets it

lofty depot
#

Then again, some of these people can't drive and u want them worried about shifting

proven rapids
dense steeple
#

Im genuinely trying to understand

lucid olive
#

driving stick is better if you're going for long drive on highway imo

proven rapids
royal zenith
#

can't say I have an opinion about it

lucid olive
#

but mostly cause its more engaging

eager raft
royal zenith
#

I wont tell you though

lucid olive
#

driving automatic after you've gone 80 km/h for 2 hours gets real boring

eager raft
#

how come

royal zenith
#

I decided not to

proven rapids
dense steeple
#

And the argument for the EV?

proven rapids
#

I'm something of a gearhead, which is why I'm so picky

lucid olive
#

by the time i make it to wherever i'm going i've already wrecked my voice from singing for hours to keep myself sane

dense steeple
#

Theyre quite literally economy cars

proven rapids
eager raft
royal zenith
#

like I said earlier

eager raft
#

deux how is lura

royal zenith
#

arn't you guys just discussing preferences?

royal zenith
eager raft
#

WHAT

royal zenith
#

LOL

proven rapids
eager raft
#

why man

dense steeple
royal zenith
#

game is pretty shit, time investment, priorities

lucid olive
proven rapids
royal zenith
#

just wanna login and game - not plan stuff and worry

#

that's all

dense steeple
#

No point in a 10k loan for a car thats going to die in a year or two, when you can get a brand new one that will work for the next 10 as long as you dont wreck it

lucid olive
#

deux heard tradu quit so he gave up as well

proven rapids
#

When I am in the situation of buying a car I will be realistic and practical

lofty depot
#

Druids are dying out

#

o7

royal zenith
lucid olive
#

yeah

royal zenith
#

tbf Im also just old I cba

#

if Im honest

#

LMAO

lucid olive
#

he gave same reasons

eager raft
lofty depot
#

Old.....

dense steeple
proven rapids
lucid olive
#

game not good enough to warrant the time investment

lofty depot
#

So what

dense steeple
#

What i want is out of budget

lofty depot
#

Wow grandma is old

royal zenith
#

you have people with no job just spamming M+ on release and here I am can't even force myself to do 4 keys

#

no offense to people with no job

#

but to be competitive you got to put in time

dense steeple
lofty depot
#

Season start take Thursday Friday off

proven rapids
royal zenith
#

it's not balanced

eager raft
#

Yea if u got other stuff going on that you’d prefer to prio over raid prep then makes sense

proven rapids
lucid olive
#

this is probably the first season i've really felt it

eager raft
#

I am enjoying the game more right now than I have in a long time

lucid olive
#

usually i would at least get 8 keys done every week for prog and fill vault

#

even at worst burnout

dense steeple
#

I can also screen them, doesnt make them worth

lucid olive
#

but just had shit going on irl, and when i've had spare time i just camp the leatherworking bench

proven rapids
lucid olive
#

and yap in here

proven rapids
#

I have a much stronger interest in cars that I enjoy driving. If I get a Prius I'm just gonna be sad about it all the time when I'm driving to work

#

Etc etc

dense steeple
#

Yeah prius gross

#

Any day of the week

#

Camry good

#

But camry 33k

proven rapids
dense steeple
#

Base model k4 felt about 90% of what the camry le did on my test drives

proven rapids
#

I'd so much rather get a used Forester for $10k

#

Unfortunately that means one with an EJ

dense steeple
#

12k dif in price

proven rapids
#

My realistic dream is a 2016-2018 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium. But that's extra picky

dense steeple
#

Its the same thing where people are like "I need to spend on the 5090" and its double the price of something getting 90% of the same performance

#

Then they get it and theyre getting 189 fps instead of 160 fps

#

But they paid almost triple the price

proven rapids
#

I just want a stick shift and a sunroof and 4WD/AWD

#

That's all I need

dense steeple
#

Then yeah all you need is a suburu

royal zenith
#

okay suburu is also goated

dense steeple
#

I didnt go to suburu so I have no updated numbers on those rn

royal zenith
#

I might be biased though... asian brands bis

dense steeple
#

Nissan was a fucking joke dealership for me

proven rapids
#

I wouldn't buy a new Forester. They're CVT only and that's boring

lofty depot
proven rapids
#

My partners Honda Fit has a CVT tho and tbh. It's a good transmission.

eager raft
#

druid discord could stand to be a little stricter with moderation because sometimes it feels like the off-topic channel is unused redundant. nicest thing i can say about that i've been here since prepatch started and sometimes its like trying to talk over a party

lofty depot
#

Both initially and repairs

royal zenith
#

never start talking about cars again...

lucid olive
royal zenith
#

good thing ravec aint here

eager raft
proven rapids
#

Definitely my fault. I love them and get carried away.

Anyways boomkin

dense steeple
#

Heres what matters

#

Fuck ford

lucid olive
#

me and respectable were having fun

dense steeple
#

Yeah they posted copy pastas

proven rapids
#

Ohhhhh

dense steeple
#

Im mobile so I cant post them easily too

lucid olive
#

Just as long as people asking questions get answered then it doesn't rly matter

dense steeple
#

^

#

But no one is asking questions so we just vibe and yap

normal pilot
#

ya spec is dead tier is over

lucid olive
#

not meta in m+

#

so gets real dead in here

dense steeple
#

I killed sunvoid last night

#

Tiers just getting started

royal zenith
#

new raid soon guys

#

wooo

#

🐹

lucid olive
#

sporewalker

normal pilot
#

isn't it some add fight

dense steeple
#

Month out isn't it?

dense steeple
lucid olive
dense steeple
#

So the affs and eles can give us what's for

normal pilot
#

ok so spec still dead since melee will just nuke 'em all

lucid olive
#

season 2 probably aug 18th apparently

#

12.1 is aug 11

dense steeple
lucid olive
#

they changed the end date for Turbulent Timeways event on PTR to end on aug 11

eager raft
dense steeple
#

Gamz

eager raft
#

If that’s the case it’ll be the first time a season has ever released while I’m off work for summer

dense steeple
#

I got dagger from bird last night

lucid olive
#

hell yeah

dense steeple
#

Can you make it bis without a neck cjange

normal pilot
#

aug 11 is on schedule anyways

lucid olive
#

i had that in my vault but never got an offhand

normal pilot
#

ppl can't really be surprised by that

lucid olive
#

thats 1 month before blizzcon as well

dense steeple
lucid olive
#

so if someone competes in both RWF and MDI/AWC then they have like 2 weeks of prog into 2 weeks of practice lmao

normal pilot
#

eh the quality narrative is just clickbait

dense steeple
#

Trill down bad again

normal pilot
#

when we had 4 months pathces we had the same shitty bugs

#

giving them more time hasn't shown to result in more quality

#

may as well get more content

lucid olive
#

yeah i guess

royal zenith
#

I agree with that

#

game hasnt been any better past 4 years

lucid olive
#

i think the novelty in the content is what people are noticing going down

normal pilot
#

ya the same bugs have been happening since legion

lucid olive
#

its not as cool anymore when theres something new every 4-5 weeks

normal pilot
#

i think lot of it is ppl just outgrowing the game

lucid olive
#

yeah

dense steeple
#

I think its more that people are burnt out

#

Fomo if you dont do all the dogshit side content they spoonffeed you

normal pilot
#

overall it seems the game is doing a lot better than prev xpac, espcially with the simplification/pruning

dense steeple
#

Constantly doing useless side bullshit no passion

#

I want to collect mounts

#

I ha e almost 200 tries on each open world rare

#

I own 2 of them

#

Would be nice if I was allowed to do anything else

lofty depot
#

U get 2 raid mounts this patch

#

Locken

proven rapids
#

That's why I just gave up on trying to collect everything or get everything I want

#

I see a shiny armor set I like and go "ooh that'd be nice" and then forget about it and keeping using my wrath mogs

normal pilot
#

can't wait for the xbox cross promotional mounts

#

sign up for 1 year microsoft 365 with copilot get a mount

lucid olive
#

just let me get master chief helmet as my house

dense steeple
lofty depot
#

Fly around on master chief

lucid olive
#

they can do whatever xbox promotion they want

dense steeple
#

Give me shiny

lofty depot
#

Lol, same thought

dense steeple
#

But stop adding so many

normal pilot
#

they would make so much $$ with a halo cross promotion

lucid olive
#

they really screwed the pooch not doing a forza horizon cross promotion during undermine

#

with the car and all

normal pilot
#

too bad the tv series flopped

lucid olive
#

there was a forza series?

proven rapids
normal pilot
#

nah halo series

dense steeple
#

I dont

lucid olive
#

theres a new Fable game coming, now thats a cross promotion for the future

dense steeple
#

Keep the console poors out of here

normal pilot
#

yeah i think after last titan they're gonna release console

proven rapids
#

Console players are poor?

normal pilot
#

it's perfect time with the level squish making everything more simple

proven rapids
#

TIL

lofty depot
#

How much is a console vs how much is a pc

#

Silly

proven rapids
lucid olive
#

gonna get some glimpses of last titan, revealed what is happening after + console release

#

and the rest is gonna be classic+ etc

normal pilot
#

how much is a series S these days? $400?

dense steeple
#

Less than ram thats for sure

proven rapids
#

$300 for a refurbished steam deck vs $500 for a refurbished PS5

lucid olive
#

my assumption is they announce mainline classic not going into WoD and stopping at MoP, going perma era servers after that and launching classic+

#

and you wont be able to transfer your MoP characters to retail which will piss people off

lofty depot
#

Blizzcon is last titan announcement or

eager raft
#

Doubtful

lucid olive
#

yeah, some glimpses of last titan

eager raft
#

Bit early

lofty depot
#

Or next year e3

proven rapids
eager raft
#

When is blizzcon

lucid olive
#

sept 12-13

eager raft
#

If it’s around or after s3 release I could see some last titan content being included

proven rapids
#

That'd probably be how they make Wow 2 happen if it ever does.
Wow 1 sticks around as classic and you bring your guys and mogs from retail to wow 2.

Of course wow 2 probably isn't happening at all

dense steeple
eager raft
#

they’re definitely gonna announce shadowlands remix though

dense steeple
#

Classic players already crying

eager raft
#

No doubt in my mind about that

lucid olive
#

they probably announce last titan release date at blizzcon, but it'll be like late summer 2027

proven rapids
#

I don't like the rapid pace of expansions even if I love midnight

dense steeple
#

Always does

normal pilot
#

it's 24 weeks per patch you can extrapolate it out

#

add 2 weeks for xmas break, fudge a few weeks for prepatch

dense steeple
#

Aprox 1.5-2 years per expansion now

lucid olive
#

TWW lasted 18 months

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no reason Midnight won't last 18 months

dense steeple
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^

lofty depot
lucid olive
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thats september 2nd 2027

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18 months after march 2nd 2026 which was midnight release

lofty depot
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So yea makes sense

lucid olive
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give or take a few weeks in there

normal pilot
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the next xbox almost certainly won't be out by then, but definitely by the time last titan ends

proven rapids
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Has Blizzard considered that I, a single player with no fame whatsoever, don't like how fast they're moving? Smh

lofty depot
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Have u, a single player, sent feedback in their questionnaire or forum post

dense steeple
lofty depot
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But no they dont care, move fast. Zoomers need content

proven rapids
dense steeple
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I used to raid in a guild that a blizzard dev applied to raid in (they did not get a trial because they were dogshit)

dense steeple
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Bet you think youre real clever for that

proven rapids
dense steeple
lofty depot
dense steeple
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They are known

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I will not doxx who they are or for what guild they applied, or even the class they applied with.

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All I can say is that they are a confirmed blizzard dev and they were not good enough for the guild at the time of application

lofty depot
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Hmm

void jacinth
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what kinda wood is it?

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sis* sorry didnt read name

dense steeple
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What the hell youve never offered to steam mine for 60 bucks

void jacinth
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i didnt know that guy back when we were dating

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why would i hook u up now

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u married with kids n shit

lofty depot
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Well u should hookup now

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Steal him away from the pupper

void jacinth
lofty depot
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Only thing ur gonna hook is hooked on phonics

void jacinth
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what's phonics

dense steeple
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Its like phones and shi

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Hook me up for him

void jacinth
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do it for him

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your sins are forgiven

lofty depot
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The pupper

void jacinth
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cant steal nobody away from that

dense steeple
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We thought the other one was dying this weekend

void jacinth
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trigger warning?

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i was here for small talk

dense steeple
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Any slight inconvenience and she was screaming

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Turns out shes just a diva

dense steeple
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Vet was like "yeah she got no problems, healthiest18 year old dog ive ever seen"

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Thanks for the 200 dollar vet bill I guess

void jacinth
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18?? she got IG?

royal zenith
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you pay for sentimental value

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dont be like that

dense steeple
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Heres her back

royal zenith
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wouldve been worse if she actually had something!

void jacinth
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i came in for bad breath

dense steeple
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Ours let all hers fall out naturally

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Shes wet food only cause 0 teeth remain in her mouth

void jacinth
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horrid

royal zenith
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insta death

void jacinth
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type shi

dense steeple
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They bite the boy believe it or not

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She wants him to drop dead