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ok
a silent is a monster that when u look away u forget everything u did after seeing it to begin with
and it lives on earth
just watching
so u see it
yo does anyone know if worgen can be in combat outside of wolf form? similar to evokers and not being a scalie when casting/attacking
P.O.O.P
maybe I'll rewatch the tennant+ episodes idk
No
😭
Up until a point
Wet dog wants to be a chicken
I think it fell off after kapulsy
also when I stopped watching it

wat
Yea i remember that one very well the first one with the 4 of them was like o well then the 2nd one on the strange planet was nightmare enducing for a few weeks
@lofty depot
Skill issue @meager storm

Lmao miss you man hope you’re good
my goat hope you doing good too
What
hi
Hi
ugh trying to pug a dk for chimmy aaa
Don't need one, just kick it
Shammy also good, tremor totems/cap/short ranged kick
Don't need tremor if we kick
B
C
anyone know what addon just added this shit to my ui
busta addon
had to uninstall it
wtf is that

yeah
@lofty depot is the theory behind convoke on lura to hold it until adds are dead ?
or you cant delay it too much cause of losing too much boat value
H or M?
I mean casting convoke into a 99% damage reduction seems like a rude ass* question
No
U send it doesn't matter
the boss has dmg reduction in myth when adds are up?
oh i was looking at lorrgs and noticed people delaying
not by much a couple cds
Well that's so they get stacked
oh ok makes sense
incarn + foe was so mnuch more fun then convoke
at least i was high up there on the meters
U'll be high on the meter later
When it matters
Also ur can do the same damage as u were doing with incarn
The highest I was ever doing was 14m when everyone was trying. With convoke I could get 10-10.5
what was he on about with this dr
H please
its a dr when the adds are kickable or
the matrixes or w.e.
oihh not when they are up so who cares
Is there a way to have a tracker with Better CDM for Eclipse uptime?
I keep fucking up and not hitting it quick enough
I don't play Balance much, but sometimes guild asks me to play it in raid. I've been parsing 9% for item level.
Can someone help me figure out why I'm doing so poorly?
sorry was in a key
No, not sitting on 2 TYPICALLY
Might happen bc im using incarn/CA on pull so its tech on 2 charges for first like 20s
Usually Incarn/CA>2 eclipse>incarn/ca
But like in between (when incarn/CA ends or regular eclipse ends) I tend to fuck up a bit and let it drop
Any pointers are welcome and appreciated, even constructive shit
norsken
think if ur comparing logs u can compare casts and do some deduction
u talented into convoke
and didnt press it once
i tried the convoke build on lura
was aight
i cant help but thinking, convoke just feels so fucking clunky
its just so formulatic
just a cd bot
ye
oh well
trees wrong again
assumption being u should read the guide
likely sniped the raid build from wowhead, should go read the guide aswell
You dont immediately use eclipse the moment either eclipse or ca ends
uptime doesnt work like that
it's about not sitting on max charges and using it when needed
entering eclipse with 0 asp is just silly
and holding a bunch of asp at the end of CA is silly
AAAAA
disgusting blue logger
i died
12 seconds before boss did
also that was the first time we hit second egg
literally tripped into the kill
AND
we got dagger
belo feels so comp dependant
we hold for like 8 seconds in first p1
so sad
also why does a 289 -> 298 jump give me a new mog
should have locked in brother
Its okay, maybe on reclears I. A month
p1 laura so ez now
Well don’t do that
I will take that advice into consideration
I was being nice
I'll leave that up to your interpretation
classic dutch suspicion
This first point in the prio list: Does that not also count if im about to press eclipse and the dot would fall off before it expires? Has that changed?
it matters a lot more in ca inc
yea definitely but this is the only mention of sunfire in the list
becuase trees casts moonfire
as does convoke
but also thats not true
moonfire is under it
u just took a picture of not that line
is my brain cooked cause im sick or are we talking past each other
ive decided mahranaka is correct
who
ive read nothing however
ok sure
because i been pressing sunfire if i have 12 seconds left on it and next global is eclipse
but i guess thats wrong then
that would be wrong yes
nice
u can enter eclipse, dump asp and then dot instead of 1 wrath cast
I think you only Sunfire early for your burst windows.. so if it is a trees > ecl you would refresh before if it would fall off within the tree window
how dogshit is balance if you were to have no raid trinkets compared to having gaze/dragons
I assumed so
but nonethelsss
Yea that's usually the case
vaelgors is pretty nuts for any int class
Alright ty was just looking at an alt for splits and mythic lura alt runs
feather better for lock
might just end up tanking it since i'm to lazy to get vaelgors
think good for ele too
Feather is really good on ele atm yea
Idk anything about lock this tier havent played it for a while
Do you know a ballpark %# difference between bis m+ and raid trinkets i dont really have a toon or i'd sim to lazy to add 16 custom items
uhhh no cuz the 298 thing is diffy
Didnt think about that kinda forgot i'd have to set it all to 298
Alr i'll just set up a sim then ty for your time gl
p sure like champ from champ was like 4% from like charm to vaelgors
Alrighty
I just did a 15 pitt key where the devour and affliction lock were doing so much damage i was relegated to talking to the npcs for them
lol
should i just play one button feral lol
we'll never recover from the bubble of the venthyr moonkin season lol
There's a reason why devourer and dk are meta though
I get that you also want balance druid to be meta
and if mobs die fast, you'll do less damage as balance
Cope
Maybe not the mobs die fast bit (I think that's still cope) but plenty of vods of canexx out dps'ing title range meta dps
That's kush bro
Obviously all things equal you'll get smoked but in a 15 complaining about devourers when you still got so much of the class to squeeze out is weak
i agree
bamkin just dogshit
things aint equal in a 15?
Canexx and Kush are both squeezing out basically all the juice of their specs
in a 15 I've seen things
284 ilvl boomkin did bro just make the character yesterday 
If ur not 291 ur trollin
facts
april log
Think max (with craft) is like 290.78 or sum shit
cope, what
if you're gonna compare any dps to the meta dps you will always look shit

Bamkin is trash straight up
Is there anyone who show’s rotasjon for balance in a nice manner like woodoo for the devour dh ?
whodoo
I think tettles had a rotation video on youtube... but that's probably old by now
name a better duo than video guides and being outdated
Feral and being below me on meters
In WowAnalyzer, I have reworked the DoTs section. Constructive feedback much appreciated !
Also, the Eclipse section is on its way. Ideas are welcome as well 🙂
is that live now or on a fork
Live now
i'll probably send you a DM later with feature requests
but thanks for taking the time to upkeep the module
Much appreciated, feel free to DM me !
Using ascendent core on a Hero piece does it make it 289 Myth?
285
I started writing and realized it is probably better to just share in public, since someone can maybe read it and learn something 
Eclipse should maybe be added to this; it can be important in order to contextualize your Convoke and Force of Nature casts. Like in the Midnight Falls log this specific picture is from, the 3 Force of Nature and Convoke casts in the middle are also used with Eclipse. If I didn't specifically hold Eclipse to line up for that I would do less damage as my cooldowns are not layered, and the Force of Nature and Convoke casts should then be marked somehow that they're used wrong.
Alternatively, I think maybe the best solution would be a reworked Cooldowns feature that tells you whether a specific press of the cooldown was bad, okay or good, since there are very specific rules for what order you want to press them.
Your cooldown windows should always go, in order:
Fury of Elune (if talented)
Force of Nature (if talented)
Celestial Alignment/Incarnation (if Keeper: always use on the GCD after Force of Nature unless fight is ending in less than 20 seconds)
Convoke the Spirits (at low Astral Power, this usually means you spend AP between your Celestial Alignment and your Convoke)
🔴 BAD COOLDOWNS:
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Pressing Celestial Alignment/Incarnation as Keeper of the Grove WITHOUT Force of Nature ever being used with it
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Pressing Force of Nature without the next cast being either Eclipse or CA/Incarnation right after
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Convoke the Spirits cast without Force of Nature or Eclipse/CA/Incarnation active
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Any Eclipse/CA/Incarnation window where your next 2 casts aren't Starsurge/Starfall
🟡 OKAY COOLDOWNS:
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Pressing Force of Nature right after your Celestial Alignment/Incarnation: It is optimal to do it on the global before, but pressing it right after is better than not pressing at all
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Any CA/Incarnation pressed that ended up capping your Eclipse CD during its duration. (If your Eclipse has 12 seconds left on its recharge, then using CA/Incarnation will cause the spell to sit capped at 2 charges for a bit, being wasted uptime. In this case you would either delay your CDs to play out bits of a new Eclipse window or use an Eclipse earlier in order to not be at risk of capping charges)
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Convoke the Spirits cast when you have enough AP for a Starsurge/Starfall
🟢 GOOD COOLDOWNS:
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Force of Nature casts that are directly followed by Eclipse/CA/Incarn
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Any Eclipse/CA/Incarnation window where your next 3 casts are either Starsurge/Starfall, Convoke (assuming correct Convoke conditions) or a Wrath/Starfire cast that consumes Ascendant Fires
This is wrong. Casting a Starfire if it's to spend Ascendant Fires buff inside CA/Incarn is a good filler (Wrath is also a good filler in this scenario; the cast doesn't matter)
Im not reading all that, im happy for you or im sorry that it happened
This is also wrong; casting Starfall on Single Target is good if it's to consume Touch the Cosmos buff under specific talent combinations
Casting Starsurge here is good since it's from a Touch The Cosmos/Starweaver's Weft proc
The Sunfire here would be a bad cast as it's during the start of your cooldowns on the same target
This should also be reflected here; Sunfire casts done before using CA/Incarnation while the remaining time on Sunfire is less than 15/20 (depending on whether you play CA or Incarnation) would be a good cast and should not be red
yeah but what does alexa have to say about that
An example of a Yellow colored Moonfire/Sunfire (OK) would be during the opener where you optimally want to Moonfire first (this is because Treants will reapply your Moonfire, saving you a GCD on your Sunfire pandemic)
Also, like 90% of this only really applies for Keeper of the Grove
Asking Alexa is so 2019, Claude is the new hotness
@ grok is that all true
claude, fraud
Keeper of the Grove has a LOT of intricacies with cooldown management, and if WoWAnalyzer could support the conditions for knowing which CD is casted badly and which is good, it would be an amazing tool
The past expansion+ the only value WoWAnalyzer has had are the default "being able to see uptime in the timeline" and "contextualizing your Starlord avg haste gain" features, which are very low effort relative to the things the website can do
I sent basically the same message to Rex months ago when I was told he was working on it; he added a few things, but not nearly everything
Don't think WoWAnalyzer has had a moonkin person upkeeping the module before either so it's basically always been left in the dust without passion to upkeep it
@ancient pagoda doing a second ping to be annoying + to make sure you've seen it
re good cooldowns for ecl/ca/inc .. this may not be fully in your power. if you were to play ec, for example, you cant get enough ap to ensure 3 spenders. you either need to have gotten a proc or had some other AP income
changed the sentence
was gonna add in ascendant fires then my brain got caught up in "bbbut cccconvoke" and i malfunctioned
basically the thought was
Good:
CA -> Starsurge -> Starsurge -> Convoke -> Starfire -> Starsurge
Okay:
CA -> Starsurge -> Starsurge -> Starfire -> Convoke
Bad:
CA -> Convoke -> Starfire -> Starsurge
wonder if you would just put some kinda ap threshold + proc condition on the ecl/ca/incarn cast to determine if good/ok/bad
as an example
since you could have enough ap to make the ecl correct
but then still press wrong buttons after
so these presses after are wrong
but the cd may still be correct
WoWanalyzer already has modules that track your casts inside Eclipse/CA
for specifically spenders and builders you can just point at a specific cast and say "this is bad" cause you know the conditions
if you just blanket have an AP threshold you would see someone cast at 120 AP and then insta Convoke or something
which would be probably the worst thing you could do
not that it matters cause i am fully expecting wowanalyzer to go another expansion without support
unless @jolly delta makes his own
but it depends how you wanna package stuff together i guess

I tried contributing to wowana but the docs were bad and it requires integration with wclogs
There are so many headaches involved in not only understanding Moonkin CD management, but also trying to explain it to people in a digestible way
and WoWAnalyzer could help make that a lot easier
it just needs support for the very specific rules around when you send your cooldowns
tbh
I wonder
I think it might be possible to do something relatively automated
in the sense that
you mean this is not a good way? 
that one is overcooked imo
making a tool that takes a log and an apl
you can limit it to be "if you have 2 Starfall talents then Starfall on cosmos"
and then shows you all casts that do not respect the apl
with some reasonable margin of error
don't agree
yeah i get it
not sure how you'd do that
a tool like wowanalyzer is best when it's made and maintained by players
it's a tool for learning
if you ever stray from the apl, think it would just become a mess
the APL is not a tool for learning
a player can read the APL and then contextualize it in wowanalyzer for sure, which is probably the better thing to do when it comes to cooldown conditions
it also puts more pressure on the wowanalyzer maintainer to know APL, and since it's generally a thankless job, same as any 3rd party WoW guide or tool, i don't see anyone being willing to do it for longer than a season without crashing out
impressed with how long Sref stayed in it to begin with (even tho he's a feral player)
yeah i think so
he put a lot of effort in, but think his passion kept dwindling after TWW launch
on what
wdym on what
gamz with the quality content as usual
reg orl eagues
🐐
oh reg lmao
quest cape
git gud
guess farm guild isnt bad
ye its pretty close
edgeville glory works
or varrock ge tele
basically the same
if no quest cape, defo dont have one in house

need to get an onyx, cba buying runes
32k~ chaos, sell to shop
infinite from normal shop in non league??
rav .. are you like afraid to get into kekkers dms?
ic
Thanks @lucid olive for the awesome post, lots of good things to incorporate in the guide. Also, I'm glad you posted it here, it started an interesting discussion.
- My current work on Eclipse/CA/Incarn will integrate the use of other cooldowns during/before them. But indeed I would need to add a dedicated section to highlight whether FoE/FoN/Convoke have been used correctly.
- For now I have not touched the ability timeline but it definitely needs some fixes.
- Sunfire/Moonfire casts in the reworked DoT section are marked as good if the DoTs would not have lasted at least 10s during burst window. Tell me if not fine, it stemmed from a discussion with @craggy sonnet
- Regarding AP before burst window to ensure 3 spenders : I have tried adding a count of AP before burst window, but it seemed a bit off. I'm currently implementing a timer before first 3 spenders during a burst window : I don't have to code a lot of weird stuff and it showcases whether the player cast his first 3 spenders ASAP
- I agree that this guide should not be "did you follow this monstruous APL ?". The APL is awesome for a simbot but this guide aims at explaining to a player what he did wrong and why. Indicators and explanations are paramount.
FYI I have this part ready on a fork, and I'm working on assessing each burst window (activity, time before 3 spenders, FoE/FoN/Convoke)
For the second to last point, just see what the next 4 casts are after entering Eclipse or CA?
The idea is basically that your Eclipse/CA procs Harmony of the Heavens, Apex Talent and Starlord
and you want to stack/consume those 3 effects asap
and they all take 3 spenders to stack
This looks good, but of course I have no idea how correct it is
Yes that's a great idea also, I think it depends on how/where I can put the corresponding explanations in the UI
Yup I'm heavily testing it but 3rd party checks are most welcome when it's live (just like for the DoT part, don't hesitate to test it)
For Fury of Elune it can be kinda tricky btw, sometimes it's probably correct to cast it during your cooldowns instead of before them, but that depends on your Eclipse/CA cooldown as well
Since Fury of Elune is not affected by Control of the Dream
I'm glad we have alternatives for FoE, FoE just doesn't feel nice in KOTG
Yup, my idea was to check how much of the duration of FoE/FoN overlaps a burst window. Something like 80% is good, 90% is perfect. It leaves some room for cases like the one you have described.
yeah that's probably good
sometimes holding Treants to line up with FoE can make your Eclipse overcap or lose Control of the Dream value etc
but checking the uptime inside CDs probably a good compromise
if all cooldowns are available you always want to do it in the order of Fury of Elune -> Force of Nature -> CA/Incarn
The tricky part is : I can add this indicator for every Incarn/CA, but it's kinda optional on Eclipse. Thus the need for another CD section that states whether a FoE/FoN/Convoke was not capped and used within an Eclipse/CA/Incarn
cause Fury of Elune doesn't really do damage, it's just a way to generate AP
yeah that makes sense
So i'm brand new to balance druid and using assisted highlight while I fine tune my mental from FDK to Balance, is it just flat out lying when its telling me to slam moonfire during a single target boss or is there some big brain things i'm not understanding
read guide
wowhead or compendium on dreamgrove linked in pins
if you're unsure about whether to moonfire on single target then you would benefit more from reading the priority list than you would playing with assisted highlight
Agree with you on this one, but maybe it's a bit nit pick for the guide ? It looks like a very small DPS optimization and I'm afraid to add too much stuff that would drawn/discourage players.
I mean as long as they press these 3 CDs together that's already a big win 😄

But I'm totally open to discussion here
i think there's value in proper sequencing, especially when it comes to Force of Nature -> CA/Incarn
Fury of Elune can probably be whatever but you want to use that early to gen AP for your cooldowns
A lot of players use Force of Nature after pressing their CA/Incarn instead of before and it is always bad to do
I guess the value in WoWAnalyzer to me is being able to send it to someone and screenshot whenever they ask for log reviews
and proper sequencing of cooldowns is one of the easiest things to catch since it happens during the first 10-15 seconds of a fight
Okay I see your point ! I can maybe flag as just "OK" an overlap of 100% between FoE/FoN and a burst window, with some explanations in a tooltip. And add more texts in the CD section.
is this an all out awefull sim or is there anything you would like to add to it? (know i forgot to upgrade the ring)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v2Wivjv8tMqCR4V8doDwVd
Beloran atm.
remember that Lura procs the vers buff from your Hunt embellishment
so might be better to use 2x Arcanoweave on that boss
but the difference should be minimal if any
mm okay. mainly trying to figure out what weapon to get. could go with a myth OH as well then craft a belt for that boss
if anything youd craft a cloak i think
i got both catalyst cloak and myth cloak from Dragons atm. and myth belt from Dreamrift i can catalyst
you also have a myth 2h you didnt even sim
think i was too focused with a crafted OH
ofc you'd have to craft another embellishment then
yeah figures 😄 ill get back to simming 😄
gotta be cloak tho (unless you wanna put a focusing lens on the neck)
what you have currently is fine tbh
both, your belt and boots are already good
it's not worth getting lost in the sim sauce either, i couldn't find a gain from crafting cloak and using your 2h either
ye .. can also just continue playing with hunt
but the difference is only like 0.3% either way
and its not like proccing the vers buff on hunt is a catastrophe either
im fine with a hunt embelishment, i do other stuff than just progress on Lura 😄 and a little vers never hurt anybody
vers is for pussies
Vers is goated
It gives you DR, healing and damage
other stats only give you damage
If ur char doesnt look like this ur a fucking loser
Only mastery doesn't increase healing, haste and crit both increase your healing too
Fuck...
Fuggn John Versa over here
does mark of the wild not show there? or are you not using your raid buff? (its armory apparently)
is that a real question
sir thats on the wow armory page..
irony not lost on that guy
tbh i never use armory so had no idea if it was or just someones fancy addon for the character page ingame
you're right to ask
armory is so useless that a character named armory shows up when you google it!!
but wow is so popular that it's also the first hit when you search armory
wow's been around for long, ye
on a side note
i am playing dh
so i dont possess a versa buff
hey
hello
hope ur having a nice week 🙂
Is it the game or the guys account thats called armory thats popular though 
That's what made me get into lol
so pink
nerf others
Search is also contextual based on your account so it's likely that it wouldn't result in that for people who don't play wow
this armory guy character on the armory is the first result incognito window with vpn .. so that was legitness
You'd be surprised how they're able to connect you
They probably still know it's you
I dont see wow armory as first hit when I search just armory
Its not even on first page
I cant seem to find it at all
yeah i don't see it at all vpn + incog they're prolly tracking you other ways
If you're using the same browser they know it's you
Even in private mode with a VPN
they have your fingerprints..
my fingerprints.....................
its the same using another browser
maybe its a regional thing
bro every company in the whole wide world knows everything about u down to ur shoe size
Not really
privacy isnt a thing
I have a hard time finding the armory even when I Google wow armory
Search results are all personalized
The results that show up for one person can be completely different than the results for another
yeah, and you are not in the wow bubble
I definitely am lol
post logs
kathryn is right btw
i could see it coming up more outside english speaking locales since you would have less matches for the actual use of the word

it already is
no no its getting worse
people have stopped visiting websites more and more cause of AI overviews
good thing ChatGPT will have more advertising soon though
and the USA is still more fucked than the EU cause no GDPR

People always get real pissy when you tell them those are unreliable and garbage
Check if your browser has a unique fingerprint, how identifiable you are on the Internet
🥀
like buying overpriced vegetables that are pre-cut
There is a way to check what 'interests' are linked to your google account
but I forgor the link
to get a feeling of what they track
things like "cat lover"
I don't know tbh
people thought mobile phones were the devil back in the day
wcyd
yeah but they were right..
what IS scary though, is google broadcasting they were able to counter the first bad-faith actor/user of AI
gl world
but that doesnt tell me if they know its me
just that they can identify this session, or?
this seems wrong, there's no way firefox has 34.09% share
gg
its probably only from the ones tested
Basically they can use that fingerprint and attach it to other fingerprints where they do know it's you to make those connections
its probably based on their data and firefox is more common amongst those who visit the site
firefox heads more likely to do so
It's like how people think your phone is listening to you all the time but they don't, in fact it's so much worse than that.
i would like to know how you'd say they do that if I am using a browser i am never using in a private window with a freshly connected vpn
Hardware identification. It reports your screen size and resolution as well as what kind of device you're on. Plus other information depending on what browser you're using, such as wifi network information or other unique identifiers.
Can they always connect them? No but they frequently can and do
I care, cuz it means more junk
It's good to be atleast aware of it
i think people who care too much about the shit companies do with your data are a bit crazy tbh
don't post your photos from going out in the weekends on the inet iqni
everyone knows everything about me anyway so i just try to be the most boring ass person
too late
rip
You went to a concert a few months ago
How is that boring
Insurance companies can buy up that data and use it to raise your rates.
The site doesnt even compare assuming it even got ur fingerprint
and it was the first time i was outside the closest vicinity of my house all of 2026
no longer unique
thats a very american thing to say no
they don't have GDPR iqni
unlucky
????? Insurance companies exist outside of the US too?
or anything similar
Not even just health insurance, auto or home insurance
they made an effort over here to actually protect us, the consumer
Sounds like something big insurance would say to conv8nce me to stay in America and give them money
from exactly what is described rn
Nice try psyop
Fair
For profit Insurance is a scam anyways..
Like. Almost definitionally
You wanna know what's a scam?
I hear our president doesnt care about our financial situation
Balance druid
Going to a dealer cause they have a "lease this car for 279 a month with this money down"
Then i show up with that money down and approval, and they quote me 650 a month for taxes and fees
That's why I buy clapped out used junkers on CL for $900 and cry when they catastrophically break down 3 weeks later
Like bro dont advertise 279 everywhere if its not even fuckin close
Im done driving junkers
I will be getting a new car
Lease for 36 months then finance the rest
I'll probably never afford a brand new car, which is a shame
Believe it or not, not as expensive as it seems
I'd really love to own a brand new V8 manual transmission anything
and something 5-10 years old
how are the laws on how beat down a car can be before you're not allowed to drive it
Okay yeah yhats why you wont afford a new car
depends on state by state gamz
or is it just "if it runs then fuck it"
Until the cop pulls u over
do you have like bi-annual checkups
It needs 1 mirror
Depends on where you live. Where I live it's based off of when it becomes a safety hazard
No
there are inspections you have to have and some states are more complex
Some cities have emissions requirements
I can't even afford a new Civic. Just because I want a V8 doesn't mean I'd get one
Get ur money up
Kia k4 is 350 a month with 2000 down at700 credit score
My state luckily doesn't have safety inspections because those are just a poor tax
you're right Gamz
it's like common sense over here to NOT have a beat up car
cause law
Norway has like EU mandated inspection every 2 years after the car is 4 years old
Disgusting
350 a month not a bad deal
and which month of the year it happens in depends on the last letter of your license plate
yeah when i lived im massachusetts the inspections were more strict with emissions and drivability
in kansas now its a joke comparatively
Come live in the corn fields where no one cares
they just make sure it runs
Ours is you cant get registration without it done and its only valid for like a week once you get the inspections done
destruction derby when
every 2 years its a gamble whether it's worth to buy a new car or keep it
We used to have those
I don't have $2000 or a good credit score or $300/month
i wont tell you which place had better social services either based on those 2 states...
Also I'd never buy a Kia or a Hyundai
do not..
U could get $300 a money
Then you have bigger issues, and buying a used car is going to be just as bad
Yeah I know? Thanks?
Go donate plasma and platelets
thats like right up there with yeehaw partner
And if youre being picky against Kia when poor then you probably shouldn't be worrying about buying a car
Yeah it sucks and I hate this shit
?????
What
Kia good car
Saw a used 24 civic with 50k miles they wanted 450 a month for it. Or I can get a brand new Kia with 5 miles on it for 350 a month
Why would I buy a new car anyways.
It's a waste of money vs buying one used
Its not?
Well let me rephrase
I just said a used car is just as expensive if not more than a new car
It's a waste of money for me to buy new
we've had some companies over here that like track your credit score, and they hired some B list celebrities to advertise for them, going up to people on the street like "you wanna check your credit score??? wow its so exciting"
A $10,000 used car will be cheaper than any new car.
looks like you've been ranked on a leaderboard based on your credit score

Until it completely fails in less than a year and now youre upside down in a loan on a car you cant drive without spending multiple thousands to keep it running
Lmao okay
americans will play the credit score minigame and then make fun of china social credit in the same breath
I'm not gonna buy a car that's gonna fall apart in a year?
I'm not sure where you got that impression
aren't you 2 just talking about preference
If a used car cost 10k it probably has 150k miles on it lmao
What?????
wtf is a mile
Also, that doesn't matter?
also soma can just sell his car to people like you, after it's been used...
Some cars will purr happily at 150k miles
oh 241km
A Honda Civic is barely broken in
It isn't
At all
It's gonna be older and higher mileage for sure, but doing even the slightest due diligence before you buy it will prevent problems
Theres 2 brands that are fine at 150k or more here
I know how to shop for cars and what to look out for.
Everything else is struggling
i bought my car for 5k and it had gone 62 miles
My f250 gonna die soon, it at 125
bit less than that
It really really depends on what you buy
And even then why would I spend 10k on something with 150k+ when I can spend 18-20k on something with 0
godbless toyota
(I know nothing about cars, but my mechanic buddy said it's bis engine block)
I don't know why you would want to but what fucking car costs $18k brand new?
Its not just engine, its transmission, its wheels, its alternator, belts so much can go wrong
A 2025 Nissan versa for one
Theyre actually 17k
Alright you know what fair enough
18k isn't a lot to pay for a new car btw
I'm picky about cars though, I'd rather get something used that I actually like and want to drive vs the cheapest new car I can find
Life is too short to drive cars you don't like
I was pretty against the idea of Kia until I was offered one for less than 350 a month
So I test drove it. And it was the second best car out of 12test drives in the last 3 days
12 test drives
Yes
I'm still against the idea of any Kia or Hyundai that isn't an EV.
But mostly because I don't want anything with an automatic or a CVT if I can help it

EV... Smh
Gonna go drive around the block in my work truck real quick to kill off all ur savings
Its so strange to me that youre like i want a v8 manual, I do not want a cvt, but then at the same time youre like "I want an EV"
There's nothing wrong with automatics! I just don't like them
I don't want an EV
Yes
"I'm still against the idea of any Kia or Hyundai that isn't an EV. "
What does this mean then
^
also everybody learns to drive manual
It means if I had to buy one I'd get an EV, but I don't want one
Manual probably less than 10% of sedans or
you can get a license thats for automatic only but literally nobody gets it
Then again, some of these people can't drive and u want them worried about shifting
Yeah manuals in the US are dead outside of a small niche of sports cars.
I can't say that's a bad thing. There's no good reason for most people to drive a stick over an automatic anymore tbh
So why would you get an EV over a car with a CVT
Im genuinely trying to understand
driving stick is better if you're going for long drive on highway imo
It's more fun?
can't say I have an opinion about it
but mostly cause its more engaging
Well if you form one I’d be happy to hear it
I wont tell you though
driving automatic after you've gone 80 km/h for 2 hours gets real boring
how come
I decided not to
Cars with CVTs are likely to be economy cars or hybrids. Nothing wrong with those but they're not the kind of car I would want to buy
And the argument for the EV?
I'm something of a gearhead, which is why I'm so picky
by the time i make it to wherever i'm going i've already wrecked my voice from singing for hours to keep myself sane
Theyre quite literally economy cars
I think you're reading too much into that statement.
oh okay well thanks for the response
like I said earlier
deux how is lura
arn't you guys just discussing preferences?
legit quit raiding as of today
WHAT
LOL
Yeah I'm not sure why I'm getting so much flack for being picky about what kind of car I want to buy
Preference when you need a car in America is a bad take. If you NEED a car, you take whats reliable that you can get, or you stay upside down
game is pretty shit, time investment, priorities
not every preference can be objectively correct..
Yeah and right now I don't need a car.
No point in a 10k loan for a car thats going to die in a year or two, when you can get a brand new one that will work for the next 10 as long as you dont wreck it
deux heard tradu quit so he gave up as well
When I am in the situation of buying a car I will be realistic and practical
tradu quit too?
yeah
he gave same reasons
Understandable I suppose
Old.....
My car just died so im there 🙂
I fundamentally disagree about a $10k breaking immediately.
What are you even talking about?
game not good enough to warrant the time investment
So what
What i want is out of budget
Wow grandma is old
you have people with no job just spamming M+ on release and here I am can't even force myself to do 4 keys
no offense to people with no job
but to be competitive you got to put in time
1 to 2 years isnt immediately
Season start take Thursday Friday off
What I want is out of budget too. So I'm gonna dream and get something realistic instead.
More than likely I'll end up in a used Subaru. Nothing fancy.
100%
it's not balanced
Yea if u got other stuff going on that you’d prefer to prio over raid prep then makes sense
If I go out and buy a $10k used car I expect it to last several years minimum. I have no reason not to because I can screen out crappy junk cars.
this is probably the first season i've really felt it
this too
I am enjoying the game more right now than I have in a long time
usually i would at least get 8 keys done every week for prog and fill vault
even at worst burnout
I can also screen them, doesnt make them worth
but just had shit going on irl, and when i've had spare time i just camp the leatherworking bench
We have different financial priorities and that's okay.
and yap in here
I have a much stronger interest in cars that I enjoy driving. If I get a Prius I'm just gonna be sad about it all the time when I'm driving to work
Etc etc
They're a great car, just not for me.
Base model k4 felt about 90% of what the camry le did on my test drives
I'd so much rather get a used Forester for $10k
Unfortunately that means one with an EJ
12k dif in price
My realistic dream is a 2016-2018 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium. But that's extra picky
Its the same thing where people are like "I need to spend on the 5090" and its double the price of something getting 90% of the same performance
Then they get it and theyre getting 189 fps instead of 160 fps
But they paid almost triple the price
Then yeah all you need is a suburu
okay suburu is also goated
I didnt go to suburu so I have no updated numbers on those rn
I might be biased though... asian brands bis
Nissan was a fucking joke dealership for me
My ideal model used can be found around $18k.
I can't afford that so I won't be getting one but I can dream.
I wouldn't buy a new Forester. They're CVT only and that's boring
Also expensive
My partners Honda Fit has a CVT tho and tbh. It's a good transmission.
druid discord could stand to be a little stricter with moderation because sometimes it feels like the off-topic channel is unused redundant. nicest thing i can say about that i've been here since prepatch started and sometimes its like trying to talk over a party
Both initially and repairs
never start talking about cars again...
The past 20+ minutes of messages should be in off topic or general. I came here looking for recent chatter in the class. Not reading and typing speed.
good thing ravec aint here

🫡
Definitely my fault. I love them and get carried away.
Anyways boomkin
oh no, nobody really cares
me and respectable were having fun
Yeah they posted copy pastas
Ohhhhh
Im mobile so I cant post them easily too
Just as long as people asking questions get answered then it doesn't rly matter
ya spec is dead tier is over
sporewalker
isn't it some add fight
Month out isn't it?
Yes
something like that
So the affs and eles can give us what's for
ok so spec still dead since melee will just nuke 'em all
Spread cleave
they changed the end date for Turbulent Timeways event on PTR to end on aug 11
Amazing
Gamz
If that’s the case it’ll be the first time a season has ever released while I’m off work for summer
I got dagger from bird last night
hell yeah
Can you make it bis without a neck cjange
aug 11 is on schedule anyways
i had that in my vault but never got an offhand
ppl can't really be surprised by that
ye it fits the expectations anyway
thats 1 month before blizzcon as well
"Weve had consistent 8 week patch cycles that sacrifices no quality"
so if someone competes in both RWF and MDI/AWC then they have like 2 weeks of prog into 2 weeks of practice lmao
eh the quality narrative is just clickbait
Trill down bad again
when we had 4 months pathces we had the same shitty bugs
giving them more time hasn't shown to result in more quality
may as well get more content
yeah i guess
i think the novelty in the content is what people are noticing going down
ya the same bugs have been happening since legion
its not as cool anymore when theres something new every 4-5 weeks
i think lot of it is ppl just outgrowing the game
yeah
I think its more that people are burnt out
Fomo if you dont do all the dogshit side content they spoonffeed you
overall it seems the game is doing a lot better than prev xpac, espcially with the simplification/pruning
Constantly doing useless side bullshit no passion
I want to collect mounts
I ha e almost 200 tries on each open world rare
I own 2 of them
Would be nice if I was allowed to do anything else
That's why I just gave up on trying to collect everything or get everything I want
I see a shiny armor set I like and go "ooh that'd be nice" and then forget about it and keeping using my wrath mogs
can't wait for the xbox cross promotional mounts
sign up for 1 year microsoft 365 with copilot get a mount
just let me get master chief helmet as my house
Fly around on master chief
they can do whatever xbox promotion they want
Give me shiny
Lol, same thought
But stop adding so many
they would make so much $$ with a halo cross promotion
they really screwed the pooch not doing a forza horizon cross promotion during undermine
with the car and all
too bad the tv series flopped
there was a forza series?
I look forward to the inevitable future of wow on a console
nah halo series
I dont
theres a new Fable game coming, now thats a cross promotion for the future
Keep the console poors out of here
yeah i think after last titan they're gonna release console
Console players are poor?
it's perfect time with the level squish making everything more simple
TIL
Not many changes left to make until wow is perfectly usable with a controller out of the box tbh
thats probably a blizzcon announcement this year tbh
gonna get some glimpses of last titan, revealed what is happening after + console release
and the rest is gonna be classic+ etc
how much is a series S these days? $400?
Less than ram thats for sure
$300 for a refurbished steam deck vs $500 for a refurbished PS5
my assumption is they announce mainline classic not going into WoD and stopping at MoP, going perma era servers after that and launching classic+
and you wont be able to transfer your MoP characters to retail which will piss people off
Blizzcon is last titan announcement or
Doubtful
yeah, some glimpses of last titan
Bit early
Or next year e3
At what point do they just design a permanent cycle of every expansion
When is blizzcon
sept 12-13
If it’s around or after s3 release I could see some last titan content being included
That'd probably be how they make Wow 2 happen if it ever does.
Wow 1 sticks around as classic and you bring your guys and mogs from retail to wow 2.
Of course wow 2 probably isn't happening at all
They already have too many, i dont think they will
they’re definitely gonna announce shadowlands remix though
Classic players already crying
No doubt in my mind about that
they probably announce last titan release date at blizzcon, but it'll be like late summer 2027
That feels so soon
I don't like the rapid pace of expansions even if I love midnight
Always does
it's 24 weeks per patch you can extrapolate it out
add 2 weeks for xmas break, fudge a few weeks for prepatch
Aprox 1.5-2 years per expansion now
^
Last titan next year Aug/Sept presumably or
So yea makes sense
give or take a few weeks in there
the next xbox almost certainly won't be out by then, but definitely by the time last titan ends
Has Blizzard considered that I, a single player with no fame whatsoever, don't like how fast they're moving? Smh
Have u, a single player, sent feedback in their questionnaire or forum post
I send feedback everytime and I am a single player with slightly more fame than her
But no they dont care, move fast. Zoomers need content
Yea but they know u and hate u
They should be able to read my mind.
True
I used to raid in a guild that a blizzard dev applied to raid in (they did not get a trial because they were dogshit)
false
you're a married player
Bet you think youre real clever for that
To be fair, they are.

Did they say they were a dev 👀
They are known
I will not doxx who they are or for what guild they applied, or even the class they applied with.
All I can say is that they are a confirmed blizzard dev and they were not good enough for the guild at the time of application
Hmm
i know a guy who can steam your deck for 60 bucks bro
what kinda wood is it?
sis* sorry didnt read name
What the hell youve never offered to steam mine for 60 bucks
i didnt know that guy back when we were dating
why would i hook u up now
u married with kids n shit
only hook up youll get is a right HOOK and UPper cut
Only thing ur gonna hook is hooked on phonics
what's phonics
The pupper
cant steal nobody away from that
We thought the other one was dying this weekend
Vet was like "yeah she got no problems, healthiest18 year old dog ive ever seen"
Thanks for the 200 dollar vet bill I guess
18?? she got IG?
Heres her back
wouldve been worse if she actually had something!
my diva got 3 teeth pulled for $1350
i came in for bad breath
Ours let all hers fall out naturally
Shes wet food only cause 0 teeth remain in her mouth

yeah imagine if she had Deuxnosis
horrid
insta death
what those gums do shawty?
type shi
this seed is cursed












