#balance
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3 druids, DH, priest and warlock
Still being stuck in legion, mentally, is craaazy
"officially released on August 30, 2016"
That's like saying you miss the renaissance
is that a challenge
i have 4 max level chars but one is just afk cause there is like not enough demand for boosts
or waiting for Lura?
I haven't done a boost all expansion I think
I did lvl my warr just through herbing
Bought some tokens and surviving off flowers and wishes
lol
or well, more like gearing trivial..
im living off a myth boe I got early
Can't be that early
im living off sylvanas hc and /r gambling
Considering those weren't tradable for the first 5 weeks
fuck...
but anyway it was still going for 2mill so early enough for me
then I got a second m boe...
and decided to keep it for hunter
then mm got butchered
lol
Most of the guild boosts in a primarily german team btw
its my luck debt
Can ask Draco if you want an in there Luds
downloading duolingo
lmao
SIIIIIIIIIIIIX SEVENNNN
Sikh's Heaven
they're removing feral
wohoooooooo
It’s on all the wow games so probably just a bigger general maint
I just watched a youtube video of a guy called "Chorsh" and he says in keys you starfire even on one target? Basically he says you can remove wrath from the action bars, is that true?
In eclipse in the EC build you starfire on every target count
the only time you want to wrath is ST outside of eclipse
Not sure about 2T
If you go to the wowhead guide and pick "Elune's Chosen"
It says to starfire
depends if your talents make starfire strong
What if I don't talent UI, then What
good news guys, crest cap is getting removed
glad my character is not already 290 ilvl next week
was gonna be maxed anyway, smh
Yeah i was gonna be like 60 crests short of max ilvl this week so like cool beans ig
Servers up 1 hour early wowzor
Today ?
Refresh wowhead bucko
I am soooo behind on myth crests I got a lot of grinding ahead of me
that was sarcasm
I think it's extremely silly they remove cap when you basically have enough to fully gear a char with current cap
I think there's plenty that are 2 weeks out I think
yeah but 2 weeks is like 200 crests, it's not a lot
think you can probably save on crests too with bonus rolls if played correctly
but I guess it helps a few for those last nudges
I think it’s silly to keep the cap at all at this point, what would the reason even be
Who is the cap keeping behind
it's a decision to keep people playing for at least 2 months, I guess
maybe it would've been removed earlier if hof filled up faster
Biggest problem is still getting them in the first place
Crests uncapped doesn't matter for my alts either cuz I have the discount
Just giga silly
It matters to me since I need a couple hundreds
hard choice, almost certainly ribbon for l'ura yeah?
But tbh I have wasted a bit so that’s on me
boutta sim 10min fight for exact numbers but prob doesnt beat out weap bis
Do ribbon stacks fall off during transitions ?
10 minute fight what
well 9 min
oh lura, didnt read that part
does anyone actually play ribbon on that boss
did you check
there's some
@drifting nova
im not sure if its for lack of having, or if chim is just better
Like 11% I dunno, doesnt seem to hot
but maybe the simmers know more about the actual value of ribbon
you can just plug it into the sim
@royal zenith rage baiter
think it should be technically better for that long of a fight
is lategame perfect bis still crafted offhand and main hand?
Worried about the wrong thing, Lura not 9minutes soon
Gaze good
not a big diff to double arcanoweave
(if you consider the ally effect as well it is ahead on average)
if there is any
I was like "there's no way this guy is arguing with me about this"
elp
higher than 5 :3
I will argue about anything..
if the time is right
and the stars are aligned
🐉
Start thinking about sudoku
While he just fires off the first thing that pops in his head
gotta pre-think
Not a lot of people who get when Deux tries to argue bigger picture
Like the Lura conversation earlier
Unless I dreamt that, who knows, it's been a rough few days with sleep
starts this week
Massive
all good devourer on lura gave me trauma

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fx2FFnhTTYfEZCCR4vDhdp alright so on 9 min fight (avg l'ura) its a 200 dmg upgrade
just play havoc
over gaze
havoc better for lura apparently
sidegrade
looking at logs at least
I'll state again, that boss by the time u kill it won't be 9min
devourer players after the nerf forgetting that the spec was buffed originally so they could keep up with havoc
both dh specs leapfrogged into doing 12.1 damage
1% dam inc full 290 surely
Negative glaives
negative glaives is big
Well it's a DK problem shrug
ribbon caps out at ~3.5min, longer sims don't really change anything
wcl gonna remove crystals from leaderboard
longer sims do change it
more time at max value
you will probably gain more by just getting a bonus roll and get more ilvl on omission of light noko
but lemme check
oh that's true ya
but yea, its not a great pickup
stupid trinket jsut get gaze
as if gaze aint stupid!!
need to find more gaze optimizing spells
you also got a myth weapon in that vault right?
yea the crit/haste one
bis daggie
but im gonna be rolling mgt for gloves
I meant the staff from nexus
foe i think works ( at least seems to be in sims)
nah i mean exploiting the proc mechanic
eye of kezan was the same in undermine
Im simming what it would mean if you get the weapon and like go for bonus roll omission of light
we ripped 1 hour duration sims to see the value
and obv craft wrist with arcanoweave
like if you have a travel time spell that has a separate energize effect, you can get a proc on both cast & hit
uhh .. you mean generating stacks, yeah?
oh
bet
but it's a bit slow.. gastank capped my raidbots resources...
either way I prob wait till I send rolls
after last time
wrong response
good choice either way yea
i thought you meant the same way meteorites stacks it faster
hm okok
ya there's nothing for balance too bad
need streaking back where you could abuse travel time to get twice as many procs as intended
but at least meteorites and foe both affect your stack building
Okay @rough marten https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ikZDCFPpNd8SR6264SRgxR
I think this should be your plan
brotherman did not even change the flask
get weapon from vault, craftwrist with arcano, bonusroll omission and upgrade cloak
it's low effort sim
you're right clankz
but it did beat ribbon
we shall see what the fates decide from my bonus rolls


ribbon beats itself in 5min sim
so basically dont change anything
fwiw .. if you wanted to take weapon and get rid of hunt, i think cloak craft is better
you already have great wrists
and they have a socket
good call
yea was debating cloak craft
also, you did not add a socket
over wrist
yeah like I said, low effort sim
it's more meant to be used as a thought example
cause I don't think ribbon is that great, but that's me assuming
its okay
gaze is better
but its close
if damage beyond p1 mattered for lura then ribbon probably be better there
now the real struggle, 3730 IO 289 boomkin not getting invited to reset day 10's
basically the same as last seasons shit
or what does it do mechanically
or does it get 'reset' during intermission or stuns
i have a question regarding eclipse/order of operations. outside of CDs, do i eclipse before or after casting fury of elune? it feels like it should be after to maximize uptime of casts. and then after eclipse, do i ride out the duration of Starlord before pressing eclipse again or is it better to just send asap?
just gotta stay in combat
that's not too bad
the proc gets stronger the first 10 times or whatever that it happens
and then stays like that
until shortly after combat drops
generally eclipse/ca on the global after FoE but it doesn't make the biggest difference, but FoE is kind of a dead global except for providing Atmospheric Exposure value
you don't consider Starlord in the rotation unless you have like egregious amounts of downtime between cooldown windows
even in the highest simming ST talents with EC its only a minor loss to completely ignore the FoE/Moon node
ah.. way i've been doing it is dumping all my AP before the end of eclipse and using starlord to regain AP back before it ends and going into my next eclipse with 3 finishers in the bag
yeah thats good
but you would build AP for your next Eclipse regardless of Starlord being up or not
taht's why i mean you don't consider it; you would be doing the same thing regardless, it's just easier to do when you have 5 seconds of Starlord remaining
but if you just finished your Incarn and you're at 20 AP you still wanna build resources for your next Eclipse even if Starlord is not up
i think you only really care to dump super aggressively at the end of incarn
for normal eclipse and even ca, it makes sense to already think about when to next eclipse and bank some ap at the backend of it to not having to delay your next burst down the line
this was the other side of the coin, either dump aggressively at the end of eclipse and use starlord haste to regen AP, or alternate casts at the end of eclipse and just immediately send into next eclipse with almost full AP right away
starlord wont be enough to generate enough ap
Can depend on other factors like movement and pack health
unless we are talking big aoe
i'm thinking even just raid boss fights, just planted and casting
oh so keeper
i started playing boom on Paladins so i'm EC for that atm, but yeah either one
yeah, after trees and boat windows are done, i think it makes sense to bank up some ap and not spend all the way to 0
clankz highest content done this expansion is a prey
lol
(incarn you probably do spend)
cool
Paladins on EC is fun though, have so many instant casts with Starweaver that you feel like a BM hunter
I usually just send CDs during movement parts
or to blow the shield on the sejuani looking chick
aight so im gonna try full sending in incarn, but in normal eclipse save some AP for jumping right back into the next eclipse and not farm starlord casts
you don't have to do that
You can farm starlord casts
But you don't have to spend down to 0
heard
sending Eclipse back to back when you're not gonna incur downtime later on is probably bad
you want some time between
only time you'd send like that is if you're either using CDs after or there is forced downtime, like Alleria intermission
i see, i see
for EC it all kinda flows a lot better than with Keeper
Keeper needs more thought put into planning cooldowns
having the discipline to hold an Eclipse for the Force of Nature casts that don't overlap with your CA/Incarn
which in a sim would be 3m, 5m, 7m etc
im not a fan of force of nature >.>
or the fights it wants me to take manual-mushrooms
Well u don't have to take wild mushrooms
there are only really 4 choices that matter in moonkin talents
EC/Kotg
Convoke/Incarn
Rattle/Starweaver
Whirling Stars/Orbital Strike
the rest is whatever just play whats the most fun
its just a button
you'll do the same damage regardless
it's a button that feels better to press than some others
but it's not inherently more valuable
Wild mushroom ezpz pad
like the only 2 fights it's taken on, chimmy and dragons, feels like adds are preferrably dead before it even matters
any spell that isn't Starsurge or Starfall are either resource generators or damage activators that do negligible damage compared to passive proc alternatives in the tree
U take mushrooms to kill the adds
If he not pressing them for the adds, ur doing it wrong
ie being slow on casts
Until you don't take lunation and it's even stricter 💀
it's just finding a keybind of a spell i only plan to use 6% of the time
No eclipse is the renewal bind
what about your warrior of elune bind
Woe is trees bind silly
unironically eclipse became my woe bind kek
U had woe and trees on different binds?
yes
werent they not a choice node at some point in time
Yea 3 years ago
ya i only update my bars when required
Fuggn old man

Update ur shit
woe is my convoke bind *whenever i actually need to take it
Does anyone having experience using Orbital Strike in a mythic+ build? How good is it in the case of using?
on my evoker's bars right now
very bad
It's not good
the only value of orbital strike is aoe burst stuff
but FoE doesn't do any damage
so it's irrelevant
(each application of Orbital Strike gives FoE CDR from Lunation)
🤔
(this would be fun if FoE didn't hit like wet noodle)
OS EC convoke
its how i did the shadowpoint guard thing week 1 lmao
i could make eclipse my old renewal bind....
Locken
pulled entire delve and ripped FoE OS FoE
i saw the ec belo build and was sad when it didnt run the 20 spell convoke
does it not
🤔
yeah pretty sure its 5 sec convoke
so i trolled my last belo kill then

Doesnt run lunation either

hm does 5s convoke get you 25% more chance for full moon
Smh
Clearly not trust worthy
Shouldve copied recruitie
it does look like its only EG that affects Full Moon deck
everyone seems to have gone back to 1min for farm tho lol
He played 1m on dragons too lol
idk if thats true with how ur gonna yolo push in the near future tbh lmao
yeah recruitie played 1m convoke on every boss
8 weeks after .7 release xd
probably 1-2 weeks after .7?
Idk is next tier in September or
usually pretty soon after, prolly quicker. they've already had 12.1 up interally for 2 weeks

maybe theyll change that 2s eclipse cdr talent into something ever worth taking
maybe they will finally sunset eclipse
that's too much work they'd have adjust all the eclipse proccing talents
nah they will read my wowhead post and do what i say.... trust
I know 
you're stuck with eclipse until after last titan
put eclipse off gcd in there then
no
they gunna rework convoke so its mandatory
needed a paragraph to explain how dogshit force of nature is
empowerment was legion
LMAO
Empowerments was in bfa
sometimes when im feeling whimsical i press eclipse and instantly cast a wrath to make that wrath feel strong
I still like the idea of tying eclipse to trees/foe
problems with empowerments was they did too little so you can ignore
They got better in bfa adding an AOE effect to the fillers
they will make Eclipse stronger and 1 min cd, they will make CA a big phat 2min cd where orbital strike is viable
They just nerfed Starfall :/
what
what
actually theyre gonna delete control of the dream bc 15s overcdr is too complex for the console playerbase
probably

It's too complex for half the people asking how to play
can trees be base 30sec then
its also confusing for some when it only effects certain spells
trees is cringe
like foe isnt effected
as heckers
so if you run the 1 min build foe is desynced with control
It's not if u just send it on cd
foe should be blacklisted from being taken as kotg tbh
wrong
Well that would be an idea if hero talents got those abilities
it should just be a choice option with foe or trees
agreed
or tbh i think trees should be deleted, and mushrooms made the primary spell for keeper
But then they would have to make rm do something to trees
thatd be sick
so its foe or shrooms as a choice
shrooms 
yeah hero talent giving foe or trees at top woupd be nice
Or move it
and you get only Full Moon as a big spell
I can get behind this
no more new and half
can i just chuck the full moon like a basketball while we're at it
could you imagine how fun full moon instant procs could be
agree
yeah new and half suck gimme 2 charges 30 sec cd of full moon
make it instant too
300% dmg and size
nobody likes casting new/half
with instant procs for it
god i have so many good ideas for this spec where is the dev
spy for dev
ty ty i do my best
Does new moon do more damage per cast time still or
Still don't understand why FM doesn't hit like 5 surges worth
remake hail of stars into "every free Starsurge or Starfall cast increases the damage of your next casted Full Moon"
then stack infinite
and also make Full Moon pause your Eclipse/CA timer when you cast it
like Collapsing Star does
easy
ok I'm gonna be stacking that infinitely and then getting summoned into raid, prepped FM cast
better idea to add to that, eclipse is a buff you get after casting full moon
if we're lucky enough that the dev uses a spreadsheet
so you get a perfect button to do giant dam, then increase afterwards
god that would be a fun playstyle especially if you get instant full moon procs
It's kinda sad, nobody really enjoys it when Starsurge/Starfall is like 50% of your damage, so in TWW they said "okay let's buff Wrath/Starfire to be better"
but the actual fun spells to press like mushrooms, foe and moons
are just left in the dust
held up because they happen to proc other effect or generate AP
Those are pad spells and that isn't allowed
is this true
i would love to be able to actually cast a full moon that spell is so cool
i see old raid videos of like lorgokk casting it
and i get jealous
if full moon was more of my damage that would be awesome considering it does take skill to use
should go look at how much of your damage is tied to Sunfire/Moonfire
long cast time spells to do big dam are good
like when my Spenders slap it makes pooling feel like I should care
hm. orignally moon damage was new 1x, half 2x, full 4x
What is it now
you use the treants as artillery that you bounce off of mushrooms at the enemies
and they explode
and do astral fire tree damage
and the trees hold a mushroom
that also explodes
i need an animation of a moonkin pulling a giant mushroom out of the ground and overhead tossing it like mario
i think that would complete me tbh
Collapsing Star but its a giant mushroom
yessssss
@royal zenith xd
prob extra bonus roll or socket for helm
So we getting artifacts back, locken
what
Mmhm mmhm
No lol
phew
But the boy Johnny Cash is back
he's just here to make a new ring that does fire damage
then gonna fuck off again
need some arcane damage rings instead
I vote for frost
theyve done everything else (shadow/fire/nature/frost)
Havent seen that yet
am i free?
your missing the mh/offhand combo

bad neck
IS IT though?
yes
even with every gem color?
yes
i am gonna keep saying yes until i have logged in and can screenshot my lura neck
nice you got crests to farm a 2nd crafted AND a neck to farm aswell as your mh+oh
thats fair
If neck isn't in my vault
is that not upgraded
its been uncapped for like 3 hours!
im european
yeah it took me 3 hours to convert up to hit 291
ono
and theyre both dogshit ilvl
No pash
i geared them for splits first 2 weeks and then logged off
correct
it is probably the worst season i have played since i started
stuff was way too ez for gearing i think
- it overlapped with the busiest 6 months i have had in 16 years
when i log in its either to stand on top of the dome in Silvermoon or to afk at the leatherworking table
i crafted chest on my third druid to have higher ilvl for week 1 cause i knew i would turbo abandon the character after
Tbf I didn't play my split character after splits I played dh lol
the 2nd druid got played until week 3 when we stopped doing heroic
i didn't have time to put effort into setting up UI or learning a diff spec for splits
so i just did 3 druids instead
it's just that easy
did you know my 284 monk already sims 113k dps

im very proud of oyu

thats more than my vault tbh
i had myth track raid but i didnt have 8 world activities
did world activity for voidshards
ok mr geriatric
atp im just taking token every week
ive seen just trinkets and weapons for 3 weeks straight
I need to recraft arcano on smth, cata myth boots and get some myth gloves with better stats
craft on cloak or something
Yeah just need about 300 damn crests to max out gear
do you not play or
i barely logged in and even i would be done next week
with or without cap
i logged in, upgraded all my crests and had enough to cap gear
cause i had like 4000 crests across all types
the fuck..
you're like 15 minutes late
well i had to add that last socket in my belt for +500
so i didnt want to give you the outdated info
probably worth on lura right?
it simmed like 200 dps up when I ran it earlier
9m sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a8GpQ1rCBj4shfeCPkfp2D alright who can tell me why its saying an embellished cloak is a downgrade over no embel
somethin's gotta be fucky
idk but you should consider the other gem
might be worth
crit one?
yeah that gem with 1 of each color might be good for you

shield for what
from damage
thats not a big loss
simply dont take damage
kinda huge
shielding himself from mean people
if u die u get to flame ur healers
what is it
big simmer
115k...

nah like 114.5 or some shit
good shit...
link or no balls
kk 1 sec
I believe it I just wanna see what he got on lmao
i didnt even add socket
holy
do you think it would be worth without the neck

114?
ya with the funky convoke slop
mmm vokeslop
prob 110 or whatever with incarn
no lol this makes me feel better about being weak irl
if it makes you feel better
is it worth it?
you sim higher than the devourers
time to sim baby
not more?
no man im fat and bald and weak
we are doing 2 runs tonight
i get to play my huntor

You don’t play the game
Ye but why ur damage low
rings
thats fine
so im gonna try cumvoke
padding is for losers anyway
no i love padding
thats good since convoke are the talents you play on that boss now
i have that instead
but i took the sim loss for shield chance
it was only like 100 dps
it was worth the look!
yeah def worth checking
wrong ring enchants
not on the top result
but the other ones
so top result gets picked
oh wtf
because every other iteration is dogshit
nice
picked everything except the good one

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bNFLz674Vd4XnDTdw6aBdx competitive simming?
just turn on vantus froyo
it's so the sim takes longer and i get more time to mald over how long it's taking
my surv hunter is the main character now
need to get it 290 so i can afk rest of tier
gg
ur pants are agi
trying to keep it realistic
🐻

nice man
-5 trees
@mighty mica
yeah i dried out a river for that
this is the only tree that matters
they benched me for lura..
W pad

not looking good..
i got a cool belo parse at least
the sims go for same gems and enchants with on use or passive shrooms
so i just send that
is boomkin poop
he's finally allowed to play balance again
How arnt we 130k
out of jail

my rogue simin 130k missing half the peices
In all fairness...
mmm chimkn
I don't wanna be that guy..
we do ye
true

I will choose to keep my 2h staff so I can stay mogged to cloudsong glaive
good mog = dps uppies
real
MoP CM set + Cloudsong Claive remains unmatched
cool man
For next patch I’d like 2x barkskin charges and 30second solar beam 🙏 thank you Santa
hey yall
you think you want 2x barkskin until you have it
just curious if anyone knows how good/bad the trinket Reality Breacher is (from seat of triumvirate)
30 second beam i can get on board with considering the Nullaeus fiasco
but thats about it
i got it myth track in the vault
bad
if its not gaze or vaelgors its shit
sure
Not linking, you already know he cheated again
could make it higher if i played the ec build
I get +200 from myth ribbon on lura timer 
smh not simming with omnium tree
This
this is on you
Dozing vine pouch back to top it off
God cant make us 130k
vine pouchs rule, but my weapon keeps disappearing when im casting, i want it on my back
is there a conflict with vine pouch items
(when not in boomkin form)
pfft, PI can
rogues know how to simmax
what spec is that?
outlaw
big
i take it back .. we got their asses
wtf!
fake news

for the longest time I assumed chud meant fat
fatty
from what i gathered all balance druids are larger folks
besides me and tettles i guess
what
wdym tettles is dense
everyone the other day was talking about how theyre larger
arctic u urself said "i am fat"
arctic is the thickest
and lost 60 pounds from not slamming cokes
no exercise of any amount doesnt help ,big shock
the biggest
that means different thing
how tall r u
idk I dont even eat that bad, just carb heavy 
5'10
short
not all of us can be nordic
how many cheeseburgers u weight
At 5'10" and 220 lbs, your Body Mass Index (BMI) is 31.6, which falls into the medically obese category.
I'm not nordic smh
yea bmi is a fake index
tbf my brother is a firefighter and i think hes like 5 8 and weighs around that
and he is incredibly fit
take ur charts, lets go lift some concrete bags and see how far u get
arctic is all muscle u wouldnt understand
i used to lift loads of concrete
like a glove
i build houses for 15 years
so ur old
pretty inefficient
yeah im older than u
should work on that
old
all of u
old
how was it living with the dinosaurs
ur over the avg age barometer so ur crusty
also
see how that works
wait are u a warlock
neither am i
said they are larger
im 35 in 2 months and 5"6/5"7 and 150
but also yeah who knows if i could carry concrete anymore
6 y
puberty will come soon
6 7
I'm 220
back in the day i could
and 0 muscle
dead by 9am thats on jah
cant see into the back of the truck
shingles are heavy af
depends
that shit sucked
shingles in the summer or spring
apped for a few "can you carry X kg" jobs ages ago..had no idea if I could but never got them anyway so
never mattered
both


didnt have a pox party? smh
got the morning dew
2 bundles on shoulder go up ladder
chancel probably of the "larger folks"
i have wide shoulders
thats a funny way of saying "fat ass"
no body positivty here
if i was American they wouldve tried to make me play ball
theres plenty of non americans playing ball
the real ball

sisyphus?
ok i DIDNT MEAN IT LIKE THAT I TAKE IT ALL BACK
confused
no, atlas
I dont think arctic has the capability to be non sarcastic
so just assume hes silly maxing

My guildie the other day said "idk I think like 98% of what Gary says is non serious"
but he's not british?
wat
Huh
uwut
What does that mean
break it down
presumably theres a thing in dr who where u cant remember them
my guild didnt believe me when i said ive never watched it
if you arent looking at them they are forgotten
I have..but it was the mid 00s
none of the old or new stuff
friend watches it all every few years
think hes currently in like 1986
in the archives
The fuck is dr
DOCTOR
who?
i havent watched it either dont worry










