balance

[royal zenith]

hahaha

[lucid olive]

having typhoon specced is for losers

[dreamy locust]

Its almost like they come from other directions,

[lofty depot]

But now my dks have brain

[dull dust]

guys should just reroll mage then u dont have defencives to press

[loud kettle]

and pretty much all of them was 1 disaster pull

but sometimes those happen

[lofty depot]

It's almost like u can look behind u

Ur camera swivel or

[dreamy locust]

So If I check your logs you gonna have 0 glaive deaths right?

Never died to it?

[lofty depot]

I didn't say that

[dreamy locust]

o

why?

[lofty depot]

I said I have very low tho

[dreamy locust]

you can look behind u

[pallid bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/251211223012474880/1360924671754899657/1744538677981350.gif

[lofty depot]

U missed the point

[dull dust]

ragebait level 2 activate

[lofty depot]

It's ok to be angry

[dull dust]

were ascending

[loud kettle]

oh they were all from that 1 pull

very cool

ok we filter out that pull (a little cherrypicking)

0 hits all night poggers

[dreamy locust]

The point being?

[lofty depot]

Poggy

I died to 1 and it wasn't from behind kek

Silly goose mistake

I generally don't get hit tho

[loud kettle]

its the ones that go directly through the boss and somehow dont get called that spook me

[lofty depot]

People stand online with boss and darkwell and get thit

There's objective good geometry u can do to get hit less

[lofty depot]

Yea it was during memory game and it got called late

O well

I should've moved faster

[royal zenith]

is there though

cause Ive seen some simulations..

[loud kettle]

they bounce off walls really weirdly

[lucid olive]

[lofty depot]

Gamer

[lucid olive]

thats our entire lura prog across guild

we had 146 deaths to glaives

[lofty depot]

There's some weird ones, but I can react to 2 rather than 3-4

[dull dust]

how many where u

dont lie

[loud kettle]

this was our glaives last night (minus the 1 pull i got hit by glaives)

[lofty depot]

One bounces off wall, and straight. Then u worry when u move

[royal zenith]

thoughts @lofty depot?

about said geometry...

[lofty depot]

Look those nice open spots

[royal zenith]

[lucid olive]

6

[dull dust]

7

[loud kettle]

where is the entrance

oh i see it

[royal zenith]

the part where it says entrance...

[lofty depot]

Lol

[royal zenith]

I kid

[loud kettle]

it didnt stand out so i had to look for it

[royal zenith]

that's true

[lucid olive]

i think most my glaive deaths were the same night

[royal zenith]

you will always get perma deaths in P1

[loud kettle]

ive done the math and i instinctually stand in the safer areas

[royal zenith]

it's rough

[dreamy locust]

I have an x/y coordinate system

for proper positioning

[lofty depot]

Thennnnnnnnnn

[royal zenith]

the safest spot is exactly where you end up before intermission

🤝

[lucid olive]

yeha this was a bad night for sure

proceeded to not die to a glaive the rest of prog

[maiden pasture]

this was ours across all prog

43 hits in 230 pulls gg noob

need to lock in next time

[lofty depot]

Glaive deaths 212 bulls

[royal zenith]

is that a sheet

[maiden pasture]

0.019

yeah that means a lot

[royal zenith]

or premium wcl

in white mode

[lofty depot]

Call it a "manifesto"

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

Well the data is from wcl prem

But no it's not wcl prem

[royal zenith]

It's good to track this type of shit though

its a BITTTT degenerate

but good

[lofty depot]

Well itheres one for damage taken for. It as well

[maiden pasture]

its like any metric in wow

it tells a story but not the whole story

[lofty depot]

Hard to track crystal dying

Would be better

[royal zenith]

that's true but it's also to make progress more deliberate and practical

[lofty depot]

But something u can control is not being hit my glaives

[royal zenith]

which improves consistency

[dreamy locust]

I dont think theres much story for glaive deaths

[lofty depot]

I mean there is

[maiden pasture]

the real stat was nexus king ghosts fucking up

[lofty depot]

Real

[maiden pasture]

i only fucked it once in all of our pulls

[dreamy locust]

What story's that

[lofty depot]

Every kill me casting cyclone

[royal zenith]

🧢

[solar slate]

is balance in a good spot rn?

[dreamy locust]

If you dying to glaives on wipes you either dumb or gaslightin urself, go middle for no repair cost or die to pulses

[maiden pasture]

decent in raid and m+, not amazing in either

[lofty depot]

That if u live the glaives u'll see more of the fight, so u doing damage should be 2nd to staying alive

Don't go middle cuz u can bug out

[maiden pasture]

or u didnt save barkskin for it

[lofty depot]

Yes

Good good

[digital berry]

I mean if you are dying to glaives the only thing the rl can tell you is get good

[lofty depot]

Can bench u

[digital berry]

Valid

[royal zenith]

and value too

sit the bamkin

[lucid olive]

wtf

emnitthy not in for lura

[dreamy locust]

Less deaths for u GUARANTEED or ur moneyback

[lucid olive]

dying in middle on a wipe is risky apparently

[dreamy locust]

Never happened to us

[lucid olive]

heard people talk about shapeshift bugs related to it

like on salhadaar

but i never had it happen either

[dreamy locust]

Or me

Idk what bug happens

[lucid olive]

but i instinctively just die to something else to make sure

salhadaar was not 100% guarantee to bug either

[lofty depot]

Just don't die in bear form idk

[maiden pasture]

Worth it for the gold

[lofty depot]

I yell at an evoker last night and hes like "oh sorry bauws I didn't know"

[maiden pasture]

Just don't bear form

GG

If I'm going into the middle I'm in cat form

[digital berry]

I progged for half a night on Thursday, were deciding on comp and giving more people pulls on the boss before we finalize the comp i think

[hasty mirage]

what's the bug from dying in the middle?

[lucid olive]

if it's like the Salhadaar bug then it'll make random spells not usable

like extra action button

[hasty mirage]

multi dollar company smh

[dreamy locust]

Seems weird, cause saladbar was all about MC's right

MC during forms breaking stuff

[lucid olive]

you can get MCd in pvp without having it bug like that tho or

idk i think its just weird shit

[dreamy locust]

Idk, I died to center in lura a bunch, in all sorts of forms, never had a problem.

[lucid olive]

also maybe the middle thing is made up who cares

[dreamy locust]

Anyone confirming it happens to them or we grapevining i heard from a guy

[lucid olive]

grapevining, but heard it from enough sources to not insta dismiss it as false

cautious until someone provides proof

not like gold matters anyway

if we wipe i go bear and taunt boss

[dreamy locust]

Gold is life

[lucid olive]

have the weakaura that auto releases spirit on Lura as well

[dreamy locust]

Especially with blizz CRACKING down on communities, definitely wasnt a performative thing theyll ignore again for the next 2 years

[lucid olive]

get whiplash from a seed wipe

[lofty depot]

Plenty of people showed pictures in here

But it's not like it's unheard of so I won't be dying to that

[lucid olive]

yeah

[lofty depot]

Much like I won't be dying to glaives, mmhm mmhm

Also curious feels the same with rattle. Just better at the movement parts maybe

[lucid olive]

Rattle is just less fluid with Eclipse timers and planning

you can get away with entering Eclipse on 50 AP with Starweaver by just chain proccing

with Rattle it's way much more "Pool AP for new Eclipse -> Starsurge 3 times"

and since Eclipse is a cooldown the cycle can become really monotonous

not necessarily a bad thing for endboss prog where you'd prefer every pull to be the same, but imo it's way more boring gameplay (and also same gameplay we've had for 2 years now)

[lofty depot]

Yea

Every pull do be feeling the same

Same amount of surges spent

[lucid olive]

only dopamine is whether you proc some cosmos at the end of your CA

[lofty depot]

Wrath 1 time after kick trees CA fall fall

Dopamine is procing a mushroom and FM on set 3

[lucid olive]

i also think you should always insta spend Cosmos outside of Eclipse with Rattle

instead of holding it for a new one

[lofty depot]

Lol, I munch so.etimes :/

[lucid olive]

with Starweaver it's not that big of an issue since the Cosmos can be catalyst to chain proc for 6 globals in a row

but the tier set also makes Shst gen 5 AP outside of Eclipse

so using a Cosmos there for 3 seconds of Solstice

is like 10 AP ish

thats more than a Wrath

[lofty depot]

But what if I don't ap

[lucid olive]

if you're already capped when you have cosmos proc then just double spend

or enter eclipse

[lucid olive]

https://www.twitch.tv/arcticop/clip/PeppyGrossKuduYouDontSay-S5_Ly8eIOq6890m- why do you enter this eclipse btw

see you do it consistently

isnt it better after the roar

you're pressing roar and spending a global in bear during BOAT without Starlord or Harmony stacked

[lofty depot]

No

[lucid olive]

just hold it like 4-5 seconds or send it earlier

[lofty depot]

Instant wrath silly

But I stopped doing it so late there

I started sending it earlier

[lucid olive]

so the wrath being instant makes up for losing half your boat window

and then your next dmg cast does piss dam

[royal zenith]

movement globals dawggg

[lofty depot]

Half is kinda crazy but

[royal zenith]

as arctic would say

[fair pasture]

BOAT?

[lofty depot]

Worried about p1 damage

[lucid olive]

yeah you have same amount of movement globals no

[lofty depot]

Balance of all things

[lucid olive]

says the guy simming phase 4 timers

[lofty depot]

Cuz that's p4

Big dam

[lucid olive]

yeah the phase where boss kills itself

[lofty depot]

Bo

The boss kills itself 60% of the way

Im trying to do more of the left over 40%

Mmhm mmhm

x3 of course

[lucid olive]

i think you either send 2 eclipses during memory game after the crystals

or you hold the 2nd one for after the roar

[lofty depot]

I started sending that eclipse before thag

[lucid olive]

using roar as first global in eclipse definitely trolling

[lofty depot]

Im here to roar

[lucid olive]

you also only need 3 movement globals for the beam

you're overmoving a lot from them i think

[lofty depot]

Probably

But I don't like being next to the darkwell

So wcyd

[lucid olive]

yeah idk why you go so far back

its same as what i told you in p2 as well

roar has 15 yard range

make it hit your entire team if possible

[lofty depot]

Yea I'm not pressing. Roar in p2

Fuckem

[lucid olive]

yeah you have brain damage i think

[lofty depot]

I acknowledge that

Mmhm mmhm

[lucid olive]

also like

if there are ton of glaives

and guy with seed is like 5 on memory game

and he has to spawn a soak right before beam

position between the melee stack and the 5 position for the roar

so you can beam to help those guys that are late

in case of bad beam RNG

[lofty depot]

Those are immune soakers or

[lucid olive]

immune soakers soak during beam

not memory game ones

but the timer between number 5 spawning a soak

and the beam hitting

is very very tight

[lucid olive]

cause if the immune soakers soak that with an immune

and then they are late to the beam cause they didnt get speed

and spawn another soak

thats just a wipe at that point

think more on what you can positively do to help your team instead of "fuckem i am arctic the orange dreamgrove guy and i will not bow down to healer propaganda"

[lofty depot]

What eeler propaganda

[lucid olive]

[lofty depot]

Oh, my eelers good

I don't need bark

[lucid olive]

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

[royal zenith]

his eelers are good ye

[lofty depot]

I've roared like every beam all prog

[royal zenith]

I checked his hitpoints on logs

[lofty depot]

Press that bit every minute

[lucid olive]

i do think a lot of players never got the memo that roar isn't 40 yards or whatever anymore

[lofty depot]

Get in range of me

[fair pasture]

til

[lofty depot]

Yea (I did think it was 30-40 yards tho)

[lucid olive]

i got flamed on Dimensius cause I roared for the people already on the edge of the 2nd platform

and the people who were late died

[lofty depot]

I told RL he said oh wtf

I said yea clas suck, don't assign me anymore

[lucid olive]

roar is very good you just need to be stacked

same with wind rush

[lofty depot]

Is good in p4

Mmhm mmhm

I can roar 2 times

[lucid olive]

your guild is allergic to stacking in p2 as well i guess

[lofty depot]

Yep

I told him the thing, he said we tried it and said no

I don't remember whyk

I was likely spamming hardcore and not caring

[lucid olive]

nearly peed myself when i saw this AMZ drop down on the left

[royal zenith]

value

[lofty depot]

Based bamer

[royal zenith]

[lucid olive]

whole team should be stacked in melee for raid CDs there or

you have a pres evoker too

with like 0 range

[lofty depot]

Maybe he should download some

[loud kettle]

Pres can hit everyone there

[lofty depot]

O

[lucid olive]

from here?

[lofty depot]

He choosing that spot

[loud kettle]

probably yes, its a small room

[lucid olive]

roar doesnt hit the edge at least if you use in mid

[loud kettle]

But idk why bro is back that far

[royal zenith]

to hit everyone.. bigger angle...

[lucid olive]

idk those soak positions are sus to me

[royal zenith]

geometry

[lofty depot]

U know what's sus

[lucid olive]

but yeah i guess its easier to breath that

[lofty depot]

Is being pinch by my udk every pull

Fucker runs me over

[royal zenith]

to be fair, if everyone goes middle and under the amz

pres also has easier time healing them

but ye

[pallid bay]

low res bark

laugh at user

[lofty depot]

Presumably we wouldve changed it if he cared

[royal zenith]

you can probably bruteforce a lot more at this point

[lucid olive]

blame sheep

[royal zenith]

with 5 extra ilvl's

[eager raft]

i agree with deux

[lucid olive]

our guild looks like we're all cross eyed but we're trying to stack in melee at least

[lofty depot]

If u think about it, 75% of the raid isn't getting roar anyway

[lucid olive]

i like that hammer visual on the right from the paladin

[lofty depot]

So if 100% isn't getting it, they should be fine

[royal zenith]

see, told you paladin has great visuals...

monk's become all green when they pop zenith..

[lucid olive]

yeah the feedback from pressing a button as ret pala is crazy

[royal zenith]

[lucid olive]

meanwhile i can choose to have occassional blue or green puffs of dust

[royal zenith]

and an

[lucid olive]

think thats low res too...

this one isnt

[royal zenith]

priorities

is total eclipse the one that procs ca

I dont even remember

[robust vale]

EC still way to go m+ ?

[royal zenith]

pmuch ye

you can check the highest keys to see what others do:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/47?class=Druid&spec=Balance

[lucid olive]

It procs the other Eclipse, but yeah basically

It's CA without the haste

[lofty depot]

9 people not bad or

[maiden pasture]

lura intermission cast is the same icon too

[lucid olive]

Same name too

[maiden pasture]

oh fr

[lucid olive]

They stole it

Yeah Total Eclipse

[royal zenith]

that's literally the most filler talent

Ive ever seen

[lucid olive]

It's one of 2 talent nodes that haven't been played on Beloren yet

[royal zenith]

ye..

[lofty depot]

Let's bring pulsar back but worse and random

[lucid olive]

Crazy they made it a 2 talent nodes and then set it to compete with BOAT that has been a staple "must pick" talent for years now

[lofty depot]

I'll play it on rekill to ruin the stat

[lucid olive]

Oh yeah same

Sculpt the Stars, Total Eclipse, Elune's Challenge and New Moon

I'm pulling up

[royal zenith]

Prayge to the gods they're locked up working on some epic shit for 12.1

[somber path]

prob a troll raid

[royal zenith]

and a druid legendary

[lofty depot]

Think it's all but confirmed a troll raid no?

[lucid olive]

Next raid is troll raid

No clue about season 2 tho

[somber path]

either a troll raid or undermine again

[void jacinth]

but i troll every raid?

[somber path]

troll troll raid then

[royal zenith]

as in

troll troll or haranir

[lofty depot]

Was that why clip from last night or

I was doing that before I've been sending eclipse way earlier now

Was also doing macro stuff

50 vs 70% kek

[lucid olive]

Huh

Sporefall raid is tied to the zulaman zone is what I mean

So it's a troll raid

[lofty depot]

The clip u posted earlier

Wasn't talking about raid, was just pinging u

[lucid olive]

Ah

Idk

[lucid olive]

50 what

[lofty depot]

Uptime

%

Lol I was doing the funny macro thing on 2nd set and burning an eclipse

[lucid olive]

what macro thing

also wheres your 50% uptime coming from

[lofty depot]

The fucking apex buff

[lucid olive]

yeah thats troll

[lofty depot]

Macro Starfall to incarn

Well yea but I was bored

[lucid olive]

you been sitting down mental gymnastics to look at stuff and then send screenshot without providing any context on what it means

like your brain has had this conversation 20 times already but nobody else has been there

i have that happen sometimes too

[lofty depot]

Well I forgot to respond to the convo

Cuz I was looking for picture then forgot about it again

[lucid olive]

saying like "i did funny macro for 50 pulls" makes like 0 sense when anyone who knows you see you talk random macros all the time...

[lofty depot]

Sure

[lucid olive]

we have about the same p1 uptime

not like those 3% really matter

[lofty depot]

Yea but it was 50 while doing the stupid shit

[lucid olive]

yeha idk why youd do that

[lofty depot]

Well tbf, it was doing about the same dam

But that was meteor storm/wm days so

[deft crown]

quick question, when we are in solar eclipse and in between incarns, do i like go almost max astral power before surge or like spam warth 1-2 surge spam wrath 1-2 surge until eclipse fades?

[lofty depot]

Just like before dump surges for starlord, outside of that movement and not overcapping

If u know ur gonna incarn soon, u would want to save asp at the end of ur eclipse maybe unless u wanted to press incarn before it ends

[vital hound]

Yo! Let's fucking go

Was touching grass yesterday

[royal zenith]

haha what a nerdd... touching grass

[deft crown]

yeah i meant to ask like after i have the 3 starlord stack and just pump wrath

[lofty depot]

Well thats that's the part of for movement and overcapping asp

[deft crown]

okay thanks

[lone root]

Hey guys, what influence the spawn position of the Rift Simulacrum on Alleria ?

It's our second raid tonight and he is not where he was last week, on phase 1

[craggy sonnet]

are you actually doing that?

[lucid olive]

Raid position

I would ask in the Raid Leader Exchange discord - they get asked this thing all the time

[lofty depot]

no i press shit for fun

[lucid olive]

Generally very good resource for guilds progging raid

[lofty depot]

might get yelled at saying watch the video tho

[craggy sonnet]

hmm, i cant get a good read on what you are saying

[lofty depot]

maybe if u played the class u would understand what im saying

[craggy sonnet]

so .. can i get an answer, or?

just wanna know if you are actually doing that or only giving it as advice to people to not mess up

[fathom nebula]

Is this a new zone?.. I dont like it and the water texture is weird

[lofty depot]

do u think i dont do that or

[craggy sonnet]

at least i was asking if you do or not

[lofty depot]

idk why i would say 1 thing and then do the opposite

[craggy sonnet]

i think i would not do that

because it might be easy advice for someone asking but not the best way to maximize dmg

[lofty depot]

i spam cast wrath waiting for memory game or glaive spawns with half asp

[lofty depot]

well u maximize movement globals

[craggy sonnet]

sure, but you know if you need movement globals in advance

so if the fallback to spending is only overcapping

[lofty depot]

well clearly i do

well it wasnt just over capping

i swear u dont play the class

[craggy sonnet]

?

[lofty depot]

also, tidbit...... my mind is no longer on weaver

if u thought thats what i meant

[craggy sonnet]

no, not necessarily.
i meant if you are actually not spending more aggressively if you know there is no movement

[lone root]

Didnt knew the existence of that discord, will go ask there next time and not bother here ! thanks anyway

[slim iris]

Beautiful

[vital hound]

whats ya handicap at

[slim iris]

Idk I just golfed a 120 but it was a hard course and first time there

I think I can do a lot better though

Learn something new every time

And I’m just starting to keep score after a few years

[vital hound]

thats mint

[drifting nova]

thats golf

[plucky valley]

That’s the cool part about golf. You hit your prime in your older years

So you’re off to a great start!

Unless you’re already 50 years old

[drifting nova]

you what

[lucid olive]

YOU HIT YOUR PRIME IN YOUR OLDER YEARS

sorry realized you need to capitalize for you

[plucky valley]

What happened I blacked out?

[drifting nova]

its not reverse aging

where supposed wisdom benefits you

[lucid olive]

just because all the 70 year old rich guys are golfing every day doesn't mean 70 is prime age for golf

[drifting nova]

there arent golf related injuries

[plucky valley]

You’re right, I was wrong. Ill be sure to reflect on this while I listen to Lady Gaga’s paparazzi in this massage chair

[lucid olive]

golfers elbow..

[drifting nova]

change that to 3

runners knee?

[lucid olive]

low back pain is very frequent in golfing as well, you spend a lot of time hunched over

[drifting nova]

ITS LITERALLY RSI

[lucid olive]

golf swings are bad posture

[drifting nova]

I dont have wow hands

because I played fury

[lucid olive]

i dont think your 1 button press every 3 seconds is gonna give you any trouble no..

[drifting nova]

only golf related injury

is boredom

[lucid olive]

that we can agree on

[drifting nova]

the best part is the range

hit ball far, done

[lucid olive]

the Owen Wilson show where he plays a golfer is pretty good tho

[drifting nova]

happy gilmore?

[lucid olive]

wrong actor, wrong medium, wrong decade

correct sport tho

[drifting nova]

wrong millennium

[lucid olive]

yeah

good show

theyre making a 2nd season but no word on release date yet

do you think arsenal will win kekkers

or fumble at finish line

[drifting nova]

god I hope so

but west ham are not massive

[lucid olive]

idk what team you root for but i imagine it's like

[drifting nova]

oh me? newcastle

[lucid olive]

blackburn or something

[drifting nova]

and the relgation is more fun

than whatever cheating bs happens at the top

[lucid olive]

i used to like newcastle until they became saudi

[drifting nova]

wtf is a yellow for 500 please

[lucid olive]

always rooted for Man United though, was raised around it

[violet fern]

ferals when try to raid
boomies when try to key

[loud kettle]

dirty crossposter

[lofty depot]

either ur in the wrong channel or

[prime halo]

ohhh noo

sorry

[lofty depot]

cuz we aint casting hotw cat form silly

[loud kettle]

well maybe u aint

[drifting nova]

rather die over using hotw

cosmetic button

[serene arrow]

how long do adds have to live for it to be worth spending time to dot them? say they come in later during a boss

or is there likea tier list on what should be done in what order

[lofty depot]

read the prio list

[drifting nova]

10s

[cursive mirage]

VARsenal

Set Piece FC

[lucid olive]

Real, it's so bad too

Saw someone do an edit of all the time Arsenal have surrounded the keeper on a corner

Disgusting football

[cursive mirage]

1-0 Arsenal win is the most common outcome in the prem this season other than 3-0 city win

they are literally just "foul your goalkeeper to get a goal and then park the bus"

and are going to win the league on it

pathetic

[lucid olive]

Gonna win CL too

Just watch

I hope Arsenal tie their next game and City wins two in a row so they're equal points

They're equal GD now as well so that'd be exciting

[cursive mirage]

its disgusting that I have to pull for PSG man...

but I think they are going to stomp on arsenal

[dense steeple]

im a condiment

heres my last key overall, and i felt consistently that i was doing pretty low damage

slammed open my char panel 🙂

[gaunt lantern]

sick cloak

[spice roost]

surely a cloak will make u higher then the hunter

[delicate perch]

Oh you were already roasting yourself

Now I look toxic..

[dense steeple]

yea

[dense steeple]

surely

[delicate perch]

Sorry I’m too busy pressing trick room

[fair pasture]

It's called the cloak of coordination because when u see it u turn 360 degrees and coordinate urself out the door

[drifting nova]

press buttons gudder, and I'll have a cheeseburger and shake pls

[dense steeple]

tru

[spice roost]

you know its bad when kekkers roasts u

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova this game is ass

how am I on a 1:4 ratio when they have an identical drop rate smh

RIGGED

[drifting nova]

you spooned fuck wtf

got a zenyte earlier atleast like 30kc

[drifting nova]

[pseudo merlin]

LMAO

what

[drifting nova]

yeah, exactly

[pseudo merlin]

you need to use drop gear man

[drifting nova]

I wish to do yama

[pseudo merlin]

you cant without another synapse or ?

[drifting nova]

not really, can do a mage only kill with the staff, but ideally an melee+mage is more dps

and then faster kills

someone needs a staff regardless between the 2 of you

so a min of 3 between 2

[ripe slate]

@lofty depot LETS GO MATE

[clever vigil]

@lofty depot gz goat

[lofty depot]

FUCK THIS SHIT MAN

HE SOAKS THE FUCKIGN DOG IN THE CORNER

AND IT FUCKING TURNS AND KILLS ME

[spice roost]

but u killed it atleast right

[crude cobalt]

I'm trying to track the void droplet debuff on the alleria minibosses, I'm using Plater, how do I get it to show up on the nameplate?

[lofty depot]

YEAAAAAAAAAAA SO WHAT

[lofty depot]

the m33kaura

nsrt

[lucid olive]

Nice 55 parse noob

[fair pasture]

Sabotage

Unbelievable

[spice roost]

has anyone else been dcing tonight??

[ripe slate]

killing the boss means u can legally pot p4 without being an inter

[lofty depot]

i pot p4 anyway

[ripe slate]

what the hell

[lofty depot]

KEK

[crude cobalt]

what is that? a profile for nsrt?

[ripe slate]

u freak

[lofty depot]

i got approval

[drifting nova]

position better next time ye

[lofty depot]

i dont have the video reloe made a video

but its weakauras essentaily

[lofty depot]

yea totally

[lofty depot]

pull 2 hours prior man

[ripe slate]

i saw

[lofty depot]

1.7 pull ig my pot didnt go off

but 3 dead the whole phase

[copper gate]

i killed lura and survived crystal jail fellas

[royal zenith]

gz

[ruby badger]

at what cost...

gzgz

[maiden pasture]

It's insane how much of a log fiend you are

[royal zenith]

I don't wanna say it but

its actually a good thing

as long as it's not detrimental to progress

[fossil hemlock]

"It's a good thing as long as it's not a bad thing"

[royal zenith]

cause it does mean he will do whatever it takes to do the most damage

[maiden pasture]

I think potting p4 is not good for progress xd

[royal zenith]

does that really matter in the big scheme of all things

or is it something you don't like

[maiden pasture]

What is bro typing

[royal zenith]

I can talk basic english with you if you want maya

Idc

[fossil hemlock]

Deux just yapping today. "It's good as long as it's not bad for progress", "I think it's bad for progress" "Does that matter though??"

[maiden pasture]

Legit

[royal zenith]

I dunno if it's yapping

HoF is closed, reset is on it's way

it don't matter anymore

[round field]

what if u pot p4 and boss dies

so ur like

done with progress

how is that not good

[sudden flame]

damage doesnt matter in p4

jus tstay alive bozo

[round field]

wrong

i saw echo wipe on 0%

[maiden pasture]

Making the easiest phase a tiny bit easier is not beneficial for prog

[royal zenith]

proper log-fiend btw

[maiden pasture]

Making sure you don't play extra mechanics in P3 is far more important

[round field]

wrong

making sure u kill the boss so u never have to do p3 mechanics again is better

[maiden pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/you-cannot-ragebait-me-heart-twitter-reaction-gif-cat-gif-16396486465647525728

[royal zenith]

let's check the facts

to counter maya's yappening

[warm meadow]

I've got a fact

[royal zenith]

nice car

[warm meadow]

thanks

it got the top engine on the market

[royal zenith]

what's the exact timer in P3 to skip any important mechanic @maiden pasture

[maiden pasture]

Idfk, every mechanic is deadly so skipping any single mechanic in that phase is beneficial

[royal zenith]

too much typing for a simple timestamp

:/

[maiden pasture]

This is a good bit tho

[pallid bay]

if you're like comfortably beating the check p4 pot is better

but you dont know that everyone will stay alive at 6:10

[royal zenith]

arctic's group pushed into P4 around 7:57, the guy that potted P3 and is top log pushed into P4 around 7:46

[jade flume]

What check?

2nd mechanic on last slice in p3?

Because u can skip more than that which is also good, but idk how realistic for prog guilds

[maiden pasture]

We pushed right after the last slice spawned and we only killed it 2 days ago

[sudden flame]

[round field]

nooberts

[pallid bay]

7:57 is like at best 3 seconds to spare

if u want to ignore mechanics

[sudden flame]

ignore this mechanic

[lucid olive]

Idk I saw what Deux was tryna say

Log fiending in general not directly a bad thing as long as it's not a detriment to progress

The P4 example on L'ura is an example where it can be detrimental to progress

But generally speaking I think Deux right

[round field]

deux right brown amogus wrong

history repeats itself

[royal zenith]

I mean it's a good conversation, as long as we talk about facts

[royal zenith]

this is valuable info

like it matters a lot to push it before that timer

which completely justifies using pot in P3 (and makes using pot in P4 fiending)

[pallid bay]

preferably you'd push even faster

[maiden beacon]

Ignore this

[pallid bay]

cause at 7:45 or w/e you get the memory game marks

which is just another potential wipe mechanic

even if u dont play them

[sudden flame]

you you wanna push durign that

trust me i know what im talking about surely

[pallid bay]

well you'd rather push before them entirely

so they dont go out

you dont get constellations

[warm meadow]

in the grand scheme of things does anyone really ever know what they're talking about

[fossil hemlock]

No

[warm meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-flower-space-space-travel-gif-16501330

[pallid bay]

yeah 7:44.5 they go out

so pushing before that is good

[sudden flame]

my guild pushed at 7:53 which is during the runes

If i was there we are pushing 7:45 tho surely

[royal zenith]

I would trust Oi if I were you..

I don't know shit though, just apply logic...

[warm meadow]

same, minus the logic part

[lucid olive]

Never trust anyone

Always verify

Oi taught me that

Wait..

[warm meadow]

I ask what to do, experts tell me, I do it wrong and blame the experts

im just a simple guy

[lucid olive]

I'm just expert role because Oi gave his up

The pipeline ends in white name

[warm meadow]

like I read through gamz guide, mess it up and clearly gamz is bad

[lucid olive]

Last part is true

[royal zenith]

this is factual

[warm meadow]

why can't u just press my buttons for me after I read ur guide

smh

[wise hare]

i just accidently ended up in #feral

i was so confused why there was like

5 cat videos

[ruby badger]

It's ok you're safe now

[warm meadow]

lemme fix it

[fossil hemlock]

There's also a google doc for why you should invite a feral to a +18

[royal zenith]

we disregard that

[wise hare]

why would i ever do a +18

[hollow mist]

meow :(

[wise hare]

its raid logging season

[pallid bay]

[wise hare]

but oi is the goat

how can we not trust him

https://tenor.com/view/ohnepixel-csgo-ohne-pixel-mastixkg-mastix-gif-15147312452195856998

[sudden flame]

facts

[ruby badger]

I saw people calling this log fiending but wouldn't this be worse than lining it up with lust for logs?

[lucid olive]

You do more dam in p4 no

[vale pebble]

never verify always trust first thing u see

[warm meadow]

🗣️

[pallid bay]

u have 2x amp in p3, 3x in p4 and haste

idk what the number is but 40% maybe

[ruby badger]

I didn't even know that about P4 damn

I always prep for fights from a "what do I actually have to do" perspective

[ruby badger]

so I miss stuff like that sometimes

[lucid olive]

Gonna hold CA for 2nd use in P4

Fr

[royal zenith]

I knew since yday that you need to kill bosses in the both wings before going dragons

else they do more damage and have more hp

[pallid bay]

tbf its like

not listed anywhere

[lucid olive]

If you pot p4 you can pot 3rd crystals as well or

[ruby badger]

I think depending on your P3 timers saving stuff for P4 could be the play, but if everyone starts doing it you'll miss those timers

being able to tolerate more deaths in P4 seems like it'd net you an earlier kill if you're not sacrificing P3 timers

from all the heartbreak I've been witnessing in the past week or so

[lucid olive]

Yeah idk, holding shit for a boss that slowly kills itself sounds troll

[vale pebble]

u realistically dont need dmg anywhere

[pallid bay]

yeah you can just play all the mechanics

[royal zenith]

[ruby badger]

The solution is just keep everyone alive but seeing people just skewer their own raid, people going to the tip of the circle to soak etc... gives me the heebie jeebies

[vale pebble]

if u cant skip 2nd last memory game

then u can argue u need p3 dmg

[lucid olive]

True

[vale pebble]

but seed pop 2nd slice until end of mem game

is braindead

[ruby badger]

I wish there was a cat relaying me this sentiment

[pallid bay]

yeah i think the benefit falls of substantially anything earlier than 7:44

[vale pebble]

and u most likely cant skip 4th set of mechanics

[vale pebble]

yea idk someone needs to proc a very massive stroke

[pallid bay]

not dropping seed

not placing gate

not taking gate

if you do any of those then...

[lucid olive]

We had someone on the right side say "gate" before the pizza slice happened to remind the warlock to put it up

Left side tank used gate instead

Easy wipe..

[pallid bay]

yeah we had guy in that didnt prog

told him to place gate

he placed it, took it instantly together with 2 others

[lucid olive]

[lucid olive]

"thank you for your time in Evolve" moment

[fresh salmon]

hello, how does one enter a solar eclipse? since the node "lunar calling" removes wrath changing eclipse

[fossil hemlock]

You don't as elune's chosen

[fresh salmon]

so in keys during bosses I'm stuck being in lunar all the time?

[fossil hemlock]

Yes, but it's fine because lunar calling also buffs the fuck out of starfire

[fresh salmon]

I see, so even in single target I'm spending my astral power on starfall?

[fossil hemlock]

No, eclipse is for wrath and starfire only

Starsurge and starfall does the same damage in both eclipses

[fresh salmon]

ooooh

[fossil hemlock]

You choose between starfall and starsurge based on what you're hitting

[fresh salmon]

thanks

[craggy sonnet]

Hmm, the next person

[craggy sonnet]

Where did you get this impression from? That lunar only buffs Starfall but not starsurge?

[lucid olive]

Common misconception

Both are blue/purple

[fresh salmon]

I thought eclipses buffed both the builders and the spenders, hence my interrogation

[lucid olive]

They do, both spenders get buffed equally

Both builders do not get buffed equally

Lunar Eclipse is an aura that gives 15% increased damage to these spells

[fresh salmon]

well if lunar eclipse buffs my spender (starfall) surely in single target I'm spending in starfall no? since I can only enter lunar eclipse

[lucid olive]

Likewise, Solar Eclipse is an aura that gives 15% damage to these spells

[craggy sonnet]

Surge is also, or?

[lucid olive]

Some spells are buffed by both, mainly the ones who specify Astral damage (but the buff has nothing to do with spell school, it's just a whitelist)

[lucid olive]

Sure

[craggy sonnet]

Lunar buffs both Starfall and starsurge equally

[lucid olive]

I'm sure he'll get it the 3rd time someone tells him

[fresh salmon]

Nah I get it, I just don't understand why create two different eclipses if both buff the same shit

regarding spenders I mean

confused the fuck out of me

[lucid olive]

Flavor

[round field]

so ca can buff them twice

duh

[lucid olive]

Using your CDs gives you both bonuses at once

so every spell that is flagged on both are 15% x2 during CA/Incarn

[round field]

Tldr

Eclipse dumb

Shoot it in the head

Give something else instead

[fresh salmon]

amen

[warm meadow]

real

remove eclipse make incarn 30 sec cd instead

[lucid olive]

funny how nobody noticed the guardian spell in the Lunar whitelist

[round field]

remove eclipse remove convoke rework incarn into frenzy

gg spec fixed

its that easy

[fossil hemlock]

It's just moonfire innit

A lot of the whitelists have needed a cleanup for a while

[lucid olive]

de-couple FoE and Moons, make FoE be given for free when you spec into EC and remove every mention of Moon in EC talents, then change Hail of Stars to be "every free spender cast increases the damage of your next casted Full Moon by x%" that can stack up to like 100 or something (needs an integer limit but nothing stupid low)

then borrow Collapsing Star and make Full Moon pause your Eclipse during its cast

[warm meadow]

make starfall apply mf to everything

[lucid olive]

Full Moon is the single most satisfying visual and cast that the spec has, but it can't be tuned higher since it serves as a damage activator for EC

and it has no place in KOTG gameplay

[warm meadow]

why arent we playing it anyway

is it a big dps loss over foe?

[lucid olive]

yes

[warm meadow]

[lucid olive]

I was doing some override sims for fun back in TWW and I couldn't make New Moon break even without a 100% buff

[warm meadow]

god damn

[lucid olive]

if you go sim EC single target builds now

it's better to just ignore the FoE/Moon node entirely

than to take moons

[warm meadow]

bro how

[lucid olive]

not that its surprising but these talents are like 0.1% worse than taking FoE

these spells just don't do any damage man

Moonkin damage comes from 4 sources

Various procs from Sunfire/Moonfire

and Starsurge/Starfall

everything else are either resource generators or damage activators

Casting spells that isn't Starsurge/Starfall or reapplying Sunfire/Moonfire is bad

unless they are cooldowns that you're layering on top of each other in order to make your 4 damage sources do more damage

[warm meadow]

kinda sad innit, make moon great again

thing was so fun in legion

last time I played balance

[pallid bay]

time to remake this one

[craggy sonnet]

i like moer dmg

huh

[craggy sonnet]

but delete new / half moon?

or keep

[lucid olive]

just keep them

[craggy sonnet]

hmm, feel like then you'd want them to reset each ecl/ca, or?

[lucid olive]

no why

[craggy sonnet]

as in .. you gotta cycle through the entire thing within that ecl for the big full moon payoff

to make it feel nice

stupid charge system is dumb

[lucid olive]

no you just save them for CA

same concept as when we played pulsar tbh

spend moon in eclipse if recharge time is less than your next CD use

full spend in CA

[craggy sonnet]

hmm. i dont like

[pallid bay]

just start over

complete wipe

[craggy sonnet]

if we tie full moon as the cashout at the end of ecl/ca/incarn whatever, then i would wanna build towards that within that ecl/ca/incarn

[pallid bay]

but thats stupid

with the current way u play

eclipse is frontloaded

and u want to add a button that is backloaded

[craggy sonnet]

but we are not talking about the current way we play

[pallid bay]

you havn't outlined anything else

[lucid olive]

well i was just saying some shit

not talking about anything in particular just yapping

[pallid bay]

so the fair assumption would be that it is a change to the current way boomkin plays

[lucid olive]

random idea on how to make Full Moon be a non-dogshit button to press

[pallid bay]

if u remove it, it cant be dogshit

[lucid olive]

true

[craggy sonnet]

right .. was w.r. to gamz saying put full moon as the cashout at the end of our cd .. maybe work similar like collapsing star

but full moon technically fun

[lucid olive]

i didnt say cashout at end of cd

[craggy sonnet]

the og collapsing star

[lucid olive]

that was you

[pallid bay]

[lucid olive]

problem with Moons is the long cast time mixed with the tight timer to fit casts into

[craggy sonnet]

oh, i read that stacking thing as during cd

[lucid olive]

nah just stacking

thats a way to give free spender procs value

cause Hail of Stars needs to be yeeted

that talent is dogshit design

[pallid bay]

think we should just remove weaver

[lucid olive]

L

[craggy sonnet]

stack solstice duration to infinity
reset to 6s with next ecl

[pallid bay]

weaver L talent

[lucid olive]

guardian player

[pallid bay]

you just enjoy it

cause the spec is complete ass without it

[lucid olive]

that is true

when people swapped over to rattle on lura

holy shit that playstyle is ASS

[pallid bay]

yep

[craggy sonnet]

but i do agree that the full moon visual and stuff should be reason enough to wanna integrate it more into the spec

[pallid bay]

cause spec is ass

[lucid olive]

everything the same every pull, super formulaic, no deviation in timers or casts

[pallid bay]

its actually so boring

[lucid olive]

just monotonous build for eclipse - press eclipse - spend 3 times - build for eclipse

[pallid bay]

and i think cosmos + weaver shouldnt be a thing

[lucid olive]

+1

also just adds confusion cause need to know exactly which talent combination and alignment of the universes and when mercury is in retrograde to figure out what spell to spend cosmos on

[pallid bay]

[craggy sonnet]

cosmos limited to one stack is criminal as well. its not fun either way

[pallid bay]

it was a bit fun with the DF tierset

cause u would plan around it

but with cosmos its just hehe u got random free spender

maybe its useful, maybe its outside of eclipse

[craggy sonnet]

teehee .. random free spender outside ecl .. have fun throwing pebble

[pallid bay]

maybe u queued spender and consumed it but didnt even see it

wondering if u even pressed something

[craggy sonnet]

ye, shits sad

[lucid olive]

honestly, using a Cosmos proc with Rattle outside of Eclipse doesn't feel that bad

gives Solstice and Shst procs gen 5 AP outside of Eclipse

[lofty depot]

https://www.twitch.tv/thinkaliens/clip/InspiringRoundMochaBabyRage-gTGWuNVP-TiErMu_

Game is absolutely dogshit

[lucid olive]

but i would rather see this version of Cosmos just not exist

[pallid bay]

no game is working as intended..

[lucid olive]

Communion should be the free spender

[pallid bay]

kinda based

would be a must pick though

[pallid bay]

u need to soak them close to the group

[lucid olive]

good thing it's in the bang middle of the tree then..

[pallid bay]

there's also no point soaking that one

[lofty depot]

That's what I said, but also that one he soaks then lives... And run straight towards group

[lucid olive]

disagree, he soaked it so it hit arctic and killed him

[royal zenith]

karma

[pallid bay]

yes they always live

[lucid olive]

thats very valuable imo

[pallid bay]

they never die when u soak them

stop watching dratnos guides

[lofty depot]

When oi guide coming

[pallid bay]

its in here https://discord.com/channels/759564659714949210/1470021488743551006

just read every message ive sent

[lofty depot]

Yea let me go fiend that

[royal zenith]

the typical. dratnos bait

[pallid bay]

but anyway what i said, dont have tank play that far up

[royal zenith]

"it's a 1 hour long video, he must be talking truths"

[pallid bay]

dont soak these weird ones

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

Well idk y he soaked that tbf

[pallid bay]

https://warcraftrecorder.com/link/6f4d55c0-8f58-4c66-ac08-85e87145e810

u see it activates again

but dosnt hit anyone

[sudden flame]

so why did artics one melee him after being soaked again?

And this one does nothing

[pallid bay]

cause arctics is too far away from the group

[sudden flame]

so consensus is if the add isn't going into the group dont soak it

[pallid bay]

yesnt

[sudden flame]

otherwise it will randomly change direction and melee you

[pallid bay]

more like dont soak an add too early

[sudden flame]

[slim iris]

You consistently manage

To have the worst fucking take

it’s an art

[slim iris]

I’m not that old yet but yeah

I haven’t reached peak test levels

[sudden flame]

crazy golf > golf

it is known

[royal zenith]

⛳

[jade flume]

Any way to level 80-90 quickly or it just campaign angel

besides earthern

[fresh salmon]

spam shadowguard point delve, 1m30 run

25 minutes the level

u do the first packs of elites

[ruby badger]

has to be the calamtious version

timewalking rn is pretty good

[warm meadow]

go tank and just pull everything to boss in most tw rn

u can also just do every delve, and turn in all the quests at like 87/88

do it with warmode on

then do some early tailoring

[lucid olive]

All these different options sounds like torture

[warm meadow]

lvling alts is exactly that

torture

[lucid olive]

They really need to add a hyperspawn area quick

[void jacinth]

i blew my brains out after spamming calamitous delve for 2 hours but i got to 90

[warm meadow]

they gotta buff warband %

make it 20% not 5% per alt idk

gimme those big gains

[lucid olive]

Meh

[warm meadow]

I honestly couldn't bear it after just 3 runs

[lucid olive]

Add a hyperspawn and it's all fine

[warm meadow]

its so mind-numbingly boring

[void jacinth]

pretty sure that would reduce level boost sales

[warm meadow]

but theres no boosts to max lvl?

[void jacinth]

oh really?

[lucid olive]

Oh you precious summer child

Why do you think I want a hyperspawn

[void jacinth]

think blizz is propping up the level boosts we sell for gold?

so people buy tokens?

[lucid olive]

Pay Goober McDawniston 200k to level my character to max while I afk on the top of a tree

[warm meadow]

lol

[lucid olive]

But now it's like 1 mill for 80-90 since it's dungeon leveling

And really slow

[void jacinth]

and no full afk

[lucid olive]

Cringe

I miss DF

[warm meadow]

i rly need to settle down on which alts to lvl

[void jacinth]

azure area afk?

[warm meadow]

keep it monk n druid

or sum

[lucid olive]

Brackenhide ye

[void jacinth]

ohh

[warm meadow]

I miss legion prepatch

lol

[lucid olive]

I leveled like 6 characters I think

[void jacinth]

you either gotta settle down or settle on, cant do both