also diff regions
#balance
lucid olive
but i still believe chancel
iqni probably went to NA to int his key
but chancel also prob deserved it
dull dust
what a rollercoster
vagrant prawn
Just starting mythic Lura any consensus on convoke or incarn build?
round field
i would totally love to grief you tho
dull dust
cloud citrus
cant grief chancel if he griefs himself
rare shoal
what on earth where did you find people like this
From me actually
He contracted the rox curse of bad groups
cloud citrus
lol
lofty depot
Just starting mythic Lura any consensus on convoke or incarn build?
Depends on ur comp if u need add damage when ur actually gonna kill the boss
Presumably u play 1m convoke and just learn it now rather than later
Probably nuke some of the adds after Hof closes
lucid olive
Just starting mythic Lura any consensus on convoke or incarn build?
they both have merit, Starweaver is a bit better for Crystals, while Rattle is a bit better with boss in P3
Starweaver is a bit more RNG and flexible with movement parts, and Rattle is much more "do the same thing every pull"
vagrant prawn
Ya we def arent making HoF so planning for the massive nerfs is probably the play
dull dust
cant wait to see nerfs into 500 kills in a week
vagrant prawn
Heard alot of nerfs are going to be p1 based
frank vine
hey guys, is orbit breaker proc visible in logs? im kinda inexperienced at reading logs so im not sure how to find it as it isn't showing up in casts
normal pilot
there's no way to tell other than the full moon damage event
idk if there's anything useful you can glean from it, since shs is mostly random and you can't track the non-random part since the WA nuke
craggy sonnet
they probably just wanna know how much dmg it contributes?
normal pilot
wouldn't that show up as fm damage
craggy sonnet
yes
but idk if its split up at all if you have other sources of FM
(guessing no)
normal pilot
nah wouldn't be
i guess only other souce would be convoke unless you're a weirdo running fm talent
craggy sonnet
indeed
frank vine
no no, i'm just looking at possible procs of orbit breaker, but it's at the same time a bit confusing as it shows like this
craggy sonnet
possible procs?
frank vine
so im kinda confused with this "full moon at 1:19" and you have this whole thing until 1:29
like, theres no way a full moon is falling for 10 seconds
craggy sonnet
the dmg is just spread out in the graph
lofty depot
its not
craggy sonnet
its some sliding window type thing
lofty depot
zoom in again
normal pilot
ya it's just how wcl displasy things
frank vine
oh shit, so it's actually just one instance but weirdly shown
craggy sonnet
you can look at it in the events view
frank vine
yeah, im in the events tab and damage done
craggy sonnet
for the exact timestamps
ye, it comes down .. bops the enemy on the head and thats it
shut dew
Hey,
has anyone some time to log over my logs and tell me what I could improve?
Right now I struggle to do dmg at Belo'ren and started testing different spec...
The main thing I want to focus on is to do egg dmg since need a little more 
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JYVAhk94q6Mm38tH
lofty depot
@lucid olive grats
lucid olive
shit boss
lofty depot
Hey,
has anyone some time to log over my logs and tell me what I could improve?
...
forget how to press wildcharge or what we doing
dull dust
skill issue
lucid olive
first time u reach p4 is kinda bait though
yeah
pallid bay
its so easy to just +50 wipes after
pallid bay
stinky left side..
normal pilot
de fuck
cloud citrus
bigpee did not like that
shut dew
u shouldnt send that ca there u should back again
wait I don't get that 
why shouldn't I use it there?
ruby delta
bigpee did not like that
they said crit haste is cringe for moonkin. i think it is equally cringe to have haste vers as hunter!
dull dust
give it to bigpee
cloud citrus
i think bigpee deserves it
dull dust
#justiceforbigpee
lofty depot
why shouldn't I use it there?
the phase lasts 40 seconds
shut dew
well I used a note from lorrgs
kindred token
@lucid olive Thank you for updating UI!
shut dew
press eclipse and gain some asp
what would you play keeper or elune? I saw in your vod that you played elune
sudden torrent
Anyone here doner the dreamrift raid on mythic
ruby badger
he played it when optimized egg damage was the biggest barrier to killing the boss
shut dew
he played it when optimized egg damage was the biggest barrier to killing the bo...
well atm we need more dmg there aswell
loud kettle
how
shut dew
we're at 40-47% on the egg
ruby badger
If it's first night of prog people will get more comfortable
shut dew
ye was the first night
ruby badger
I think playing Elune's is pretty tough to milk all the damage in egg phase if you get a bad pattern
lofty depot
play what ever one u feel more confortable at tbf
shut dew
elune was kinda fun 
lofty depot
cope
shut dew
shut dew
I uselly don't pick it. If it's picked it's because of copy paste talent
lofty depot
smh
ruby badger
This is from one of the later pulls where your raid got the best egg %
This is why I'd recommend playing KoTG Convoke cause just doing Trees > CA > Convoke will give you a lot of damage on its own
But here you're losing a shitload of damage from playing it like this
shut dew
exotic perch
yeah you dont have to do insane dps now to kill the egg
ruby badger
In Belo'rens egg phase I tried to time my building / spending outside the first few globals of my Incarn with the pizza slices appearing, so you could spend in case you had to move, meaning you don't lose uptime and do a double sunfire play like that
exotic perch
so just play w/e is comfortable and do solid consistent damage
lucid olive
you can press Eclipse during the gateway btw
exotic perch
you should also go in with max astral power if you arent
shut dew
you should also go in with max astral power if you arent
yeah I fuck it up atm
exotic perch
so your first 10 seconds are just spending and convoking
ruby badger
If you aren't max ASP, build before you send the incarn
shut dew
you can press Eclipse during the gateway btw
eclipse into incarn?
lucid olive
sure
or CA
if you play Keeper then also spam Regrowth before taking gate so you enter with a Blooming Infusion proc
exotic perch
i played ele shaman on our kill but its the same concept to go in with all your resources ready
shut dew
if you play Keeper then also spam Regrowth before taking gate so you enter with ...
oh good idea
one more question for keeper
are you more fore the starfall route or against it?
I mean those 2
earlyer today someone sad 1min convoke was feeling better
lofty depot
dont think u need it
cloud citrus
1 min convoke was for the 2nd phase timing
if you were using cds to push into 2nd egg phase
ruby badger
I wouldn't go for starfall route unless your team is struggling to kill birds in timely manner
lofty depot
is that an assumption or is that ur reasoning
cloud citrus
taht was the reason tehy gave
lofty depot
well before u would hold damage so that didnt matter
ruby badger
craggy sonnet
what does the meteorite package have to do with 1min vs 2min convoke?
delicate perch
it just does
craggy sonnet
ahh, mb
ruby badger
If you can phase the boss during 2nd colour swap of P2 the fight is easier and CDs are still up, 1min convoke helps you push to that timer
shut dew
thanks for your help 
split fox
Working on Mythic Vaelgor/Ezzorak right now. Looks like most are running a Starfall focused build and using Starfall as the primary spender (and I'm guessing just using Starsurge when it's free or in intermission?). Judging by a few logs I'm looking over, it looks like 2:1 usage of Starfall of Starsurge.
lofty depot
well u press starfall at 2 targets so yes
split fox
Dreamgrove website is saying 3+ targets unless talented into Aetherial Kindling, which is why I was confused. Other guides are saying the same
normal pilot
hm unlucky site updates weirdly
serene arrow
anybody know why wowhead for oppener says to eclipse on pull then use incarn like a second later ? after u throw trees down ?
delicate perch
Dreamgrove website is saying 3+ targets unless talented into Aetherial Kindling,...
Ping the guide writer and yell at them
@lucid olive
lucid olive
send a pull request
dull dust
pull dn
severe salmon
Is anyone know stinger and lantern combo or cane staff better to upgrade with the forge shard thing?
sudden pawn
ya i just calculated it in my head, its best
lucid olive
ya i just calculated it in my head, its best
bro sees numbers
drifting nova
drifting nova
for what
sudden pawn
lumps
drifting nova
2 big ones
sudden pawn
amber tide
What’s the consensus on which items to have crafted? Wondering if going dark moon hunt trinket is better if I drop an armor embellishment. I haven’t simmed it yet since I’m in bed. Curious what others think.
I rock a 298 feather and a hero delve trinket atm
lucid olive
crafting trinket sounds like a waste of crests
its not better than anything you can get from m+ or heroic raid
amber tide
Kk. Works for me.
I’ll probably end up with a 285 gaze but we’ll see. My guild is still working on heroic voidspire atm.
scarlet holly
How many builds do yall run for raid? I run 3, not sure if correct. Just tryna copy pasta and pump ngl
scarlet holly
Thx, didnt know how accurate 🙂
delicate perch
wonder who made that
fair pasture
til everything besides lura is outside
delicate perch
you never tried mounting at any boss?
fair pasture
no
i dont have the cool mounts
but considering ive used other peoples repair and ah mounts
i should have put two and two together
alas i did not
scarlet holly
Good pin on convoke vs incarn?
IDK if im optimizing my shit so might b worth runnin voke
frail sonnet
should i care about landing Dream Surge stacks during trees? assuming that im having a lot of procs during CA.
lucid olive
No
fair pasture
what the heck is a dream surge
lofty depot
exactly
lucid olive
3 builders cast after treants do more damage
Talent is called dream surge but it doesn't interact with Starsurge
fair pasture
i assume in a world where we have 30 dream surge procs and infinite AP wed never cast abuilder during trees
so like
theyll just get used, probably, or not whatever
lucid olive
It should be like diabolist warlock, every now and then a Starsurge does more nature damage and the spell changes and every like 3rd proc spawns a gnarlroot big tree that gives damage buff
Something like that
fair pasture
ok ok
what if
it also
let you place a mushroom, which you would use to bounce the gnarlroot big trees off of like artillery shells
which would then explode in aoe on the enemies
delicate perch
cap
lucid olive
When you use Treants, mushrooms make your treants become poisonous lashers
fair pasture
and you whip them you pull out a whip and you get to whip them
lucid olive
Sus
fair pasture
they get to whip you?
and you get a bunch of owlkin frenzy procs?
the treants all make shiv decks and spam 0 mana low damage attacks making you an owlkin gatling gun
scarlet holly
I see on dragons we run mushrooms, any specific info on when to push?
scarlet holly
ik that, but info is helpful like "the why"
Ah misread
"upto 20"
didnt wanna overcap
gonna spend down then shroom
prime halo
Is the wowhead recommended spec correct for boomkin keys? It seems contrary to what I have seen elsewhere
lofty depot
what is contrary to it
some people play that
some people plays weaver
some people play the incarn talent
delicate perch
"elsewhere"
drifting nova
what is contrary to it
read the full sentence before yap smh
lofty depot
GO LOOK UP WHAT CONTRARY MEANS RAT
drifting nova
DOESNT CHANGE WHAT THE WORD MEANS
fair pasture
yeah but arctic is saying "what is being reccomended elsewhere that is different"
basically
or he isnt
I CANT SPEAK FOR ANYONE
lofty depot
I AM
vital hound
GO LOOK UP WHAT CONTRARY MEANS RAT
isn't it like a place with a flag?
like france is a contrary
fair pasture
🥁
delicate perch
like france is a contrary
don't confuse the americans
loud kettle
isn't it like a place with a flag?
That's a country, contrary is a small songbird
vital hound
That's a country, contrary is a small songbird
no thats a contrarion, a country is one of these
delicate perch
I have a C word too!
vital hound
vital hound
I have a C word too!
delicate perch
...yeah that one!
drifting nova
But im guessing its counter
delicate perch
But im guessing its counter
like the pokemon move?
delicate perch
one of those needs to be removed
lofty depot
well he wasnt in for a while, someon miss raid
but is funny that his spot is where all the pets are
fair pasture
"Do not be hasty." Is like the #1 rule of trees
lofty depot
key word there "fire"
drifting nova
"Do not be hasty." Is like the #1 rule of trees
oh you speak tree?
fair pasture
Yeah there are whole books on it and some movies
drifting nova
like the treemandments
fair pasture
Called "Lord of the rings"
drifting nova
first time I'd seen a whale, good book
serene arrow
How close are the two talent trees ? I’m comparable dmg
Is there ever a world where for m plus u run keeper?? Like a small pack dungeon or something
delicate perch
where did the small packs in m+ = keeper shit come from
you press trees then don't have it for like 3 packs in a sub 10 key 
delicate perch
I will not be baited by kekkers
meager storm
drifting nova
https://klipy.com/gifs/ai-cat-dancing
1000l of water down the drain, gj
delicate perch
ai slop
drifting nova
wait it broke
meager storm
scubaaaa
drifting nova
meager storm
drifting nova
haters say its fake
lucid olive
where did the small packs in m+ = keeper shit come from
People think ramp time is a real thing that makes EC worse
lucid olive
You're casting same amount of dots before a pull regardless of hero tree
drifting nova
but the dots arent why you do damage
lucid olive
You do the same dmg in CDs
delicate perch
People think ramp time is a real thing that makes EC worse
tbh it's probs the same people that take 3 business days to dot mobs as the tank pulls.. so trees doing it while they afk is probably insane to them
drifting nova
I'd imagine melee cleave would do a low key faster than ranged..anything
lucid olive
Seems inefficient
delicate perch
kekkertrees
lucid olive
I'd imagine melee cleave would do a low key faster than ranged..anything
Yeah just queue with a ret paladin
drifting nova
the very first pack getting upto 10s on my war having to do ..less damage
due to how colossus works
and ret is like bam, done
not all melee are created equal
still irks me ret is semi ranged now anyway
back in my day inquisition was cool 
ancient kernel
hey guys
thinking of trying out balance
for keys and raid. I was wondering what the state of the spec is?
from what i've seen its pretty middle of the pack, which is good for me. is that accurate?
drifting nova
depends who you're in a key with
round field
But trees don't benefit from twin moons anymore
Wait what
drifting nova
if you were to have a druid in the group
round field
Why..
drifting nova
you wouldnt take a chicken
ancient kernel
oh
warm meadow
warm meadow
btw is it worth using the haranir racial lol
drifting nova
what even is it
warm meadow
targeted aoe that both heals ppl and does dmg
warm meadow
if it was worth, the sim would use it right
drifting nova
..maybe?
warm meadow
ruby badger
Any racial that does direct damage is pretty ass usually
sudden flame
should this be allowed? @twin lotus
delicate perch
Why are you warlock and dh afk
twin lotus
looks pretty ethical to me
twin lotus
I wanna personally thank the dev for the starfall does dmg quicker talent
wise hare
just bring back starfall haste scaling
twin lotus
I am assuming its worth throwing 3 empowered starfalls and wasting a starweaver proc
wish boomie was meta in M+
royal zenith
just bring back starfall haste scaling
agree
sudden flame
I am assuming its worth throwing 3 empowered starfalls and wasting a starweaver ...
lost to me on boss damage non ethical gameplay smh
delicate perch
The void orbs need to die
sudden flame
facts but only i should be killing them
wise hare
fits the class
sudden flame
I wish my spec had a spell that did 1000% attack damage as aoe
instead i have a 900% attack damage spell that hits a single target but only when i have low energy
dogshit game
royal zenith
I wish my spec had a spell that did 1000% attack damage as aoe
this is true
you press one button and literally bazinga AOE
round field
instead i have a 900% attack damage spell that hits a single target but only whe...
chomp
sudden flame
Blizzard telling me we are removing everything fun about the spec at the start of midnight
royal zenith
a lot of people enjoy feral though
so maybe your "want" is not the truth...
(the sole reason why convoke still exists for balance druid)
sudden flame
sudden flame
No buffs for a while so hoepfully they are in the ktichen cooking a fire rework
royal zenith
jade flume
Are u gonna main mage?
sudden torrent
Gearwise going from guardian to balance i'd need to change the main weapon and also trinkets right?
drifting nova
No buffs for a while so hoepfully they are in the ktichen cooking a fire rework
fire really needs it, true
sudden flame
Yes although some trinkets are agi/intellegence like gaze of the alnseer whcih is good for both classes
drifting nova
its 2030, just make weps/trinkets universal
sudden flame
I agree
drifting nova
tried tanking in s1 last xpac
warm meadow
not needing extra weapon for bear would be nice
drifting nova
delete vers, push it into talents (yes remove the dog talents)
and reintroduce multistrike
and the healing can begin
sudden flame
I mean its just dumb that dh can swap between int and agi fine but druid has to have completely seperate weapons
drifting nova
the technology isnt there
sudden flame
makes multispeccing super hard for high end guilds aswell asv you have to commit to one spec
i think krona said it recently
drifting nova
3rd xpac in a row I've been triggered trying to get a holy pal wep
when there are no int weps
from crafting
strength sword? fine
but no int
sudden flame
yeah liek why is there a seperate agi and int staff
for crafting
makes zero sense
warm meadow
not just crafting
drifting nova
finally saw a failed crafter last week tho
a fury war with a 1h/2h
crafted the wrong one
warm meadow
like AA drops an agi spear
and agi staff
why
is there a single class that can't use both
warm meadow
pretty sure they can use staves
drifting nova
atleast I dont get triggered by glaives as much anymore
the fact they are a dead slot for 95% of the game
warm meadow
real
drifting nova
same with guns last xpac
or the one before idk
zskarn in the dragon raid
had a gun
drifting nova
atp mechanist or machinist has been in the air for so long
itl never happen
and even the sod..fun ones like tank sham/lock wont happen
healer mage was a surprise atleast
drifting nova
omega hated them in pvp
all because of piss from above
idk what the real name is
but they flew up
warm meadow
theres pvp in this game?
drifting nova
once
warm meadow
drifting nova
never did get grand marshal
stupid exams
only reason I remember cunning of the cruel from dragon soul was because of pvp
giga busted trinket
craggy sonnet
what .. during leveling?
drifting nova
or as you hit cap
and then never get a wep from a dung
int dagger, which paladins cannot use
or dhs for that matter
sure theres an epic version
but no blue
the long blade is agi/str
I believe it was also a problem last xpac too
its not a new thing
craggy sonnet
fair
but you can legit farm these
other than being lazy
blue weapons are not required
drifting nova
not pre raid you couldnt
round field
yeah liek why is there a seperate agi and int staff
weapons are still separate stats so we can farm zerocool clips of him crafting int daggers on a rogue
sudden flame
its friction for the sake of friction
warm meadow
is there a spell that forces us into owl form
jovial sundial
is there a spell that forces us into owl form
Incarnation and wrath/starfire with fluidform
warm meadow
woven flint
is there no way to see egg damage on beleron on wcl except selecting a timestamp ?
woven flint
select the egg phase
o forgot about that ty
pale dome
Im a bit confused on gearing atm... I have 839 mastery, 767 crit and 647 haste and it seems that most other druid have around 1k mastery, but everytime I sim it just wants MORE crit? Am i simming wrong?
royal zenith
You can check the pins for an answer
hearty crypt
Is it only me or balance state in high m+ is garbage tier this s1 ? 
craggy sonnet
Im a bit confused on gearing atm... I have 839 mastery, 767 crit and 647 haste a...
crit good
can make up a lot with your flask choice as well (dont know if you are already simming with crit flask)
cedar jolt
guys, on encs where there are 2 targets in m+, is it worth using surgs to put a debuff on each target for +6 amp damage, or is it more profitable to spam starfall?
lofty depot
With weaver u would use ur surge procs, rattle no
cedar jolt
ok ty
lofty depot
Also what +6 amp damage
craggy sonnet
With weaver u would use ur surge procs, rattle no
rattle actually prefers surge over starfall, i think
lofty depot
Yapping
craggy sonnet
alternating surges i think was significantly better than pure starfall
lofty depot
Can u show an I think sim cuz that not what guide says
Also, side note. Rattle in keys is disgusting
Just asking to get bored of the game
cedar jolt
Also what +6 amp damage
Stellar Amplification, i mistaken, 16% dot amp dmg
lofty depot
Good I made u read it 🙂
craggy sonnet
Can u show an I think sim cuz that not what guide says
the top simming thing surges instead of starfall if any target is missing SA
slender island
Just asking to get bored of the game
100% agree, after playing weaver in all content this season i'm not sure i can ever go back to rattle
lofty depot
Well everyone gonna go back to rattle soon when we all start playing 1m convoke kek
fiery kindle
100% agree, after playing weaver in all content this season i'm not sure i can e...
they bring venthyr ramp season 2
lofty depot
But played incarn weaver for most of prog, suppose time for a change
Maybe it's the clanker apl
Mmhm mmhm
royal zenith
we will get a tierset that will force us to play Total Eclipse
slender island
weaver convoke very very bad?
lofty depot
Very, no
slender island
so you're saying there's a chance...
lofty depot
I mean u can play it
slender island
i suppose some procs will get chomped
craggy sonnet
we will get a tierset that will force us to play Total Eclipse
💀
lofty depot
Imagine making a random and worse version of pulsar
maiden pasture
is nullaeus as bamkin possible yet chat or do u still die to kick
slender island
supposedly if you play valeera as dps she can handle the interrupts? havent tried it myself tho
craggy sonnet
Maybe it's 2 with meteorites
(just for completeness, yes .. meteorites stronk enough to make up the diff)
royal zenith
supposedly if you play valeera as dps she can handle the interrupts? havent trie...
you will then get fucked by the dispell
easiest is just going resto or w.e.
jovial sundial
Just do bear and afk through it
edgy quarry
Hello guys ! How u doin ? I was thinking to change a bit my talent for Lura MM and was looking where i can find damage from power of goldrinn on warcraft logs ?
I was think to take it off to take meterorite and i took of nature's balance to take meteor storm
What do u think about it ?
edgy quarry
oh yeah ok i see not that much damage...
lofty depot
Don't make rash decisions based on the first 50% of the fight
edgy quarry
I should keep nature balance and goldriinn u think ?
edgy quarry
usualy i don't i fucked up this try
lofty depot
Then those starfalls are likely after they're essentially dead
edgy quarry
usualy i don't i fucked up this try
I usually do something like this
edgy quarry
Then those starfalls are likely after they're essentially dead
yes for sure
lofty depot
Ur spamming too many starfalls
Apparently ur DHs are afk tho
Hm
A bunch of those pulls u dump asp before ur ca
edgy quarry
Apparently ur DHs are afk tho
^^'
lofty depot
I do more damage to them than u, not playing meteor storm and not spamming that many starfalls
But I need to see the reply and can't :/
But ur casting a bunch of starfalls after convoke, and I'm slamming surges
Ur spam dotting a lot. Granted likely ur first few hundred pulls. U should use wild charge more
Prep for movement
Rattles difficulty is asp management
edgy quarry
I will try several and send u the best at the end it will be better... I think I start to understand what u advice me to do thanks 😄
lucid estuary
Hi need some help with macros and addons that needed and not needed 🙂 someone who could help dm me 🙂
lofty depot
I will not be dming u, there's macros and some addons in the guides listed in pins
There's also stuff in #1473018731687841853 maybe
Look around and ask a question if u cant find
lucid estuary
I will not be dming u, there's macros and some addons in the guides listed in pi...
Okay, Thank you i gonna check soon!
slender island
Hi need some help with macros and addons that needed and not needed 🙂 someone w...
especially if you cba experimenting with and setting up various addons, consider checking out EllesmereUI which has a pretty solid out-of-the-box experience and an ever growing number of functionalities (and people have shared their full profiles in the corresponding discord server)
lucid estuary
especially if you cba experimenting with and setting up various addons, consider...
okay i gonna check some later! Thanks!
edgy quarry
I will try several and send u the best at the end it will be better... I think I...
we did not have a good session ^^' not good video to send... maybe on wednesday ! sry :x but thank u much better with less starfall !
lofty depot
Ur not gonna have good sessions that's the point
U send videos so I can see things and then correct them
edgy quarry
Maybe this one then... I did not that bad
but we didn't go that far
Really rare that i go up to 300k first pop add
I'm more arount 250k 260k
this one too i fucked up at the end but..
lucid olive
Disable your dmg meter
The first add spawn is almost complete RNG so you can't discern any kind of information from looking at the damage meter
edgy quarry
that's for sure 😅
lucid olive
Your damage will stabilize around end of P1
And in P2 you will fall because you're not sending CA
And on P3 you're one of the best specs in the game
edgy quarry
And on P3 you're one of the best specs in the game
ah ?!
edgy quarry
Disable your dmg meter
Maybe u are right about that !
lucid olive
You're cranking that boss
edgy quarry
oh wow ok ! I will keep it in mind !
edgy quarry
whut ❔
lofty depot
Mmhm mmhm
rare wedge
Hello everyone, I’m coming back to you because I’ve been trying to push quite a lot in M+, but I feel like my DPS is really bad. I’m attaching two WS logs: one from a +16 timed run, and one from a +17 where we died quite a bit on the 3rd boss. If you have any tips, I’d really appreciate them so I can improve and time my keys more easily.
16 time : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rvTqGAzQ7jdtkRxZ?fight=1&type=damage-done
17 no time : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rvTqGAzQ7jdtkRxZ?fight=last&type=damage-done
I’m also adding some Mythic raid logs because I feel really bad there as well, even though it was my first time killing those bosses
Imperator mm : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VLJm4fcXGad1AgBk?fight=237&type=damage-done
CHimaerus : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PjxQ8k1pAKfa4XTw?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=5
edgy quarry
I'm doing sim how at the last boss I'm using wrong enchant and gem omg ..
lofty depot
Not the first, won't be the last
lofty depot
Hello everyone, I’m coming back to you because I’ve been trying to push quite a ...
Foe before incarn
If ur not gonna macro trinket, do it before incarn
Is reckless the new hotness?
rare wedge
If ur not gonna macro trinket, do it before incarn
okay
slim iris
@vital hound first birdie on saturday
edgy quarry
I'm doing sim how at the last boss I'm using wrong enchant and gem omg ..
almost done ^^'
slim iris
Was like a hit of fent
slim iris
I am still so ass but we are making great strides
The driver and irons were making some beautiful contact this weekend
lucid olive
Rank 1 golf course +18
lofty depot
idk why u double incarned a 6 mob pull
and or why u sent that early when hes far puilling the creeper
but now u have nothing for the next pull
its also like pull 6 and ur getting gapped
dense steeple
Incarn, 5 starfalls, into incarn goes hard
lucid olive
wrong ring enchants
lofty depot
smh my head
edgy quarry
eyes of the egale then ?
lucid olive
yes
lofty depot
ye
lofty depot
if u were using hte other gem, u wouldnt use "max colors"
lucid olive
its not that black and white either
lofty depot
i have a color tv, dont worry
lucid olive
if you turn off max colors only and rip 1 of the same gem with 32 prim stat gem your sim number can be higher than using max 4 colors
so whos to say which one is better then
lofty depot
ill say it
lucid olive
you just can't sim both functions at once so it's hard to quantify which is best
edgy quarry
So i can"t do all in once i have to do at least 2 sim and compare
lofty depot
well the crit gem get better with crit enchant surely
lucid olive
well the crit gem get better with crit enchant surely
does it stack even
lofty depot
surely
lucid olive
are they the same type of crit mult
same sim but without 4 colors
50 dps higher so within margin of error
so does the choice matter?
lofty depot
tiem to go look at which variance is higher
i couldddddddddddd crit more
mmhm mmhm
edgy quarry
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tGPBkeuJSXFL1BpPR5yuyq
117 k here what
lofty depot
vantus
edgy quarry
oh yeah ok x)
edgy quarry
In fact with 3 sim we can say eyes of the egles at 100%
lucid olive
In fact with 3 sim we can say eyes of the egles at 100%
yeah i mean, it's not like everyone has been using the enchant for 2 months + it's been in every guide resource + it's been talked about here every 2 days
craggy sonnet
tiem to go look at which variance is higher
true .. just always crit surely crit gem better
fair pasture
https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-13518564799186478937
feel like im in an alternate universe
first time ive seen it
lucid olive
spend less time flaming deux and more time reading
fair pasture
¯_(ツ)_/¯
free dps when i log back on i guess
ive read the enchants page like
many times
edgy quarry
yeah i mean, it's not like everyone has been using the enchant for 2 months + it...
I was really less active that's for sure can"t lie about it :x
Thanks for everything ! I will continue to work on this fight...
Felt much better with your tips during try @lofty depot
And I think u are right Gamz I will turn off damage metter during try
edgy quarry
xD
lofty depot
damage meter give dopamine
edgy quarry
That's for sure it does xD
lucid olive
And I think u are right Gamz I will turn off damage metter during try
Just don't think the number on the meter matters anything
especially not for the first round of adds
if you can't consistently see yourself on the meters at the end of P1 you can probably start panicking
this is also why @lofty depot has more lines on his dmg meter than i do
craggy sonnet
crit meta winning after all
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a2jSFMdhk2UMYkqDqHAaTZ
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/njsg8BVEtRAXQmsyYBGfG7
oh frick
put wrong meta in the single color .. smh my head
lofty depot
smh
lucid olive
wrong one in max 4 colors too
lofty depot
friggn liar
edgy quarry
oh ! never thought about catalyst belt !
rare wedge
So if I conclude, I have a timing problem on my CDs and on the order of the spells.
lofty depot
also ur tank is pulling like a vagine
craggy sonnet
mods!
rare wedge
also ur tank is pulling like a vagine
On the WS 16 he was very cautious
lofty depot
yea, close my eyes and time that shit
craggy sonnet
ok .. got it down now (gg crit meta not winning)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rHDawajT9FvaNDGjZfXzA1
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9fGoHgNehU8ZTejLWrNLQ1
craggy sonnet
catalyzing good tho
rare wedge
ur also dotting a lot during boss movement
Ok so less doting and use wild charge for trahison and boss movement
lofty depot
No one play balance drood
Stinky spec
Adept has some videos, he makes like one a month
But all the other mains fotm reroll
digital berry
i mean anybody who does M+ and streams is going for highest key possible and there's just better classes for that
edgy quarry
wheres ur rings
gaze
🥲
every week
I had to roll
and now i'm rolling in nexus x)
I'm unlcukly
edgy quarry
ok .. got it down now (gg crit meta not winning)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot...
oh wow ! double cata !
Did'nt even think about it !
Thank you to all of u
ionic pagoda
How do we sim for m+? dungeon slice or patchwerk 1 target 5min + 5 target 5min?
lofty depot
Read the faq
snow elm
Boomies need 2 charges of barkskin
twin lotus
ye
lofty depot
I didn't use bark like at all last night on lura prog lol
royal zenith
come on bro
you're not him
stop lying
you being shit at pressing it is a different story
royal zenith
no that was not the point 😭
they want 2 charges so they can actually use it
not disregard their teammates (healers)
lofty depot
Well u can actually use it
But if we're tanky u don't even need it 🙂
We're warlocks now
royal zenith
I wouldn't say we're squishy this tier tbh
lofty depot
Mmhm mmhm
royal zenith
we could use some passive healing though, but that's any class
lofty depot
I wish regrowth did more healing tho
lofty depot
Yea intermission I hotw pre
Then do things depending on hp
Bark the last 9s
healthstone or pot there
pallid bay
Well I am shit at pressing it
gg didnt macro bark to kick
lofty depot
Decent idea
I was pressing as I needed it cuz my healers letting me die in down phase
Just lazy now, no muscle memory and trying to do other shit, coggy load
maiden pasture
Say I'm suppose to use it 6-7 times during that time frame
67
maiden pasture
gg didnt macro bark to kick
royal zenith
that yours?
lucid olive
ye
royal zenith
technically you -should- use it that much yeah but like
lucid olive
arctic allergic to bark then blames his healers when he's monkashaking
lucid olive
i only have like 2 of them planned tbh
royal zenith
it's comfy
lucid olive
for intermission i bark on the 1st starsplinter i get
for 2nd p2 beam soak i bark at the end of the cast
so it lasts thru the drop after
dull dust
I heard arctic stacks vers to help his healers
lucid olive
after that i'm just pressing it when i know we're gonna take the cock
royal zenith
I heard arctic stacks vers to help his healers
yeah a vantus rune
dull dust
maiden pasture
you knw whats op
i only have 37 vers as resto
so my reck pot value is even more
dreamy locust
Ill be honest, I strongly disagree with the notion you should use your bark as much as possible versus moments you are actually scared
royal zenith
nobody is saying that though
maiden pasture
its about finding a middle ground
royal zenith
but on lura it's actually a pretty rough fight where it's good to press it
if you're not pressing it on imperator, who cares
maiden pasture
using it efficiently to help healers save mana by just taking less damage, and using it when it is actually dangerous and you are at risk of death
ideally u do both
dull dust
I like it when my boomkins bark
dreamy locust
I mean, theres lots of people who compared defensive usages and say more is better
When its just objectively not always correct
Depends on fight
royal zenith
there will always be those that have the whole raid equip sporecloak
versus those that don't
that's true
dreamy locust
yeah lura it very simple, you press every crystal set and intermission, and a soak
royal zenith
When its just objectively not always correct
it goes both ways
dreamy locust
But lot of fights, Im not pressing when people randomly say defensive
when Im not scared
and I know healing isnt tight, Ill hit some aoe spells and be good
royal zenith
yeah and if you use your pots/healthstone 'offensively' is also fine
the point is not dying
bark is part of that
maiden pasture
lura is a great example because the damage intake is so scripted that p1 there are correct times to press it. p3 on the other hand its not as simple as that and saving ur bark for when ug et targetted by a memory game is probably the correct choice for that phase
dreamy locust
But honestly, once you get used to lura, you dont need to bark every crystal set, theres just one big hit then not a lot of scary dmg for a while
If someone wanted to make an argument they want to keep bark to spam everything to not die to glaive, I wouldn't say they are just objectively wrong
royal zenith
so it's objectively better to push for not using bark versus pushing for using bark?
in your opinion?
dreamy locust
If you are using it to just make healing slightly easier on a part that isnt that healing intensive, to keep for a mistake that kills most p1s
theres an argument
dull dust
I mean if u waste a whole use just being greedy for no reason ur just griefin
royal zenith
he gained 4 globals of damage on a whole fight
dreamy locust
You have reading comprehension problems? Its not about dmg
royal zenith
I don't see the value
well there needs to be a trade-off
else you can just press it
maiden pasture
But honestly, once you get used to lura, you dont need to bark every crystal set...
disagree, you should press it at the correct times in p1 to help ur healers preserve mana. and plan to not get hit by deadly things that u need to dodge
lucid olive
you can choose whatever mechanic you want on lura p1 and press bark for every time that mechanic happens
since theyre 1 min cycles
dreamy locust
Problem is all 20 people plan to not get hit, tell me how ur p1 prog is in reality
lucid olive
are you using bark for glaives
royal zenith
this is moving the goalpost though
maiden pasture
u keep going till its correct u dont plan defensive usage around it
lucid olive
like idk
if you're blind enough to not see the glaive before it hits
how are u react barking it
royal zenith
what other reasonable argument is there to not press it, other then damage
dreamy locust
The argument that I made that you just have trouble reading I guess
yeah why you saying dmg
maiden pasture
that as oi said
dreamy locust
its not dmg
dull dust
u have bearform if ur gunna soak a glaive for fun
maiden pasture
u can just macro it to kick and be good for p1
royal zenith
No you just want to attack me personally
lucid olive
i didn't read an argument
royal zenith
there needs to be an argument to not press it other then "I dont have to"
maiden pasture
i think ur take is objectively wrong about lura specifically, i agreed with ur original argument
lucid olive
just some yap into getting defensive when someone disagreed
royal zenith
Like gamz said, you can pick a mechanic and choose to press it there
not pressing also needs to hold some value
else what's the point
exotic perch
i was just barking every crystal boom after kicks
thats prob the easiest one just set your reminder in the timeline thing
maiden pasture
i will just repost what i said before because its just correct :
lura is a great example because the damage intake is so scripted that p1 there are correct times to press it.
p3 on the other hand its not as simple as that and saving ur bark for when ug et targetted by a memory game is probably the correct choice for that phase
dreamy locust
i think ur take is objectively wrong about lura specifically, i agreed with ur o...
Yeah very "objective" opinion
lucid olive
id argue first line should be p1 and p2
lofty depot
arctic allergic to bark then blames his healers when he's monkashaking
When I blame eeler
dull dust
When I blame eeler
queue with my pres we shall see
lucid olive
woulda flamed everyone..
lofty depot
Im using 2 hotws
maiden pasture
can you please elaborate on why you think you shouldnt press barkskin on every crystal boom cause i dont understand at all what youre trying to say
normal pilot
haha have they still not fixed hotw being unlogged
maiden pasture
haha have they still not fixed hotw being unlogged
nope
lofty depot
haha have they still not fixed hotw being unlogged
Correct
maiden pasture
devourer aswell u cant see
lofty depot
Void meta still don't work either
maiden pasture
erad or void meta
lofty depot
But lorrgs can track the buff
maiden pasture
u "can" track feral cause its feral frenzy
dreamy locust
can you please elaborate on why you think you shouldnt press barkskin on every c...
I just said theres an argument to be made, yes perfect world, you bark every crystal and never take a tick of glaive dmg every across the entire prog of the fight
maiden pasture
but not in the way u want to
lucid olive
but the bear form one you probably have to go look at hp events or something
maiden pasture
I just said theres an argument to be made, yes perfect world, you bark every cry...
im asking what the argument is
lucid olive
saving bark for when you're oneshot by glaives
dreamy locust
But If someone came to me and said, our first and 2nd crystal set are really safe, we're not dropping low, Im going to keep my defensive for a glaive mistake (because its liveable)
dreamy locust
I wouldnt just say its completely wrong
royal zenith
so your argument is "I don't have to press it"
dreamy locust
You can do both
lofty depot
No
royal zenith
(which is fine, that's not an attack)
maiden pasture
so do you think planning for bad play instead of doing something which every time is guaranteed to be postitive for your raid is an actual argument
royal zenith
https://www.twitch.tv/itsgamz/clip/ComfortableSmallPlumKeepo-Rgr_IdhfC28ovG24
I think this is valid use though
dreamy locust
Yes? People dont play perfect, being able to continue from a mistake is better than saying Ill never make one
royal zenith
you can probably gain more from offensively using defensives/pots/healthpots
dreamy locust
If my crystal people lived glaive hits how many less pulls would be wasted
maiden pasture
https://www.twitch.tv/itsgamz/clip/ComfortableSmallPlumKeepo-Rgr_IdhfC28ovG24
this is a classic
disc priest in realm
press defensive
loud kettle
nah it depends
lucid olive
I think this is valid use though
yeah people looking at that and thinking the barkskin is what saved me
and not the 200% health bar
loud kettle
sometimes disc priest in the realm means ur giga safe
royal zenith
I dunno, you're comparing pass/fail mechanics to just living mechanics you can live
loud kettle
and other times it means youre giga dead
royal zenith
by pressing a defensive
lofty depot
press defensive
Real
loud kettle
depends on void shield rng
maiden pasture
Real
its so funny cause
as a rdruid im like
not stressed at all
i full hot everyone then go catform
maiden pasture
i hold a sotf rejuv and just cover everyone
and then go cat form and get some mana back
maiden pasture
i do think people are
lucid olive
i agree there is value in saving defensives for mistakes
but thats what bear form is for
maiden pasture
more worried than they need to be in that fight
in phases
its just ticking damage and then an instance from the beam
lucid olive
and regrowth procs, and healthstones and healthpots..
maiden pasture
but people at 50% are scared for their lives when theres nothing coming for a while
dull dust
Disc, I'm in bear
lofty depot
I have a pretty overall low hit rate from glaives
dreamy locust
Bear form is kinda too slow for glaive mistakes,
dull dust
ur healers and tanks getting friendly mid pull
lofty depot
Im under the assumption people stand in shit spot
dreamy locust
But my argument wasn't only rooted in druid talk, just defensives talk
lofty depot
Bear form is kinda too slow for glaive mistakes,
That implies ur standing in melee
lucid olive
Bear form is kinda too slow for glaive mistakes,
bark won't really save you from glaives either
royal zenith
people are shite with positioning
lofty depot
Maybe don't do that
royal zenith
but Im guessing you also don't need to knock crystals
cause you hardly do anything useful arctic..
lofty depot
I am assigned to knock crystals
loud kettle
i have a really low glaive hit rate too
royal zenith
:)
loud kettle
by far the best healer at it