(if I had to buy a car with an automatic it'd be a Grand Cherokee, a Mercedes 2 door, or a Mercedes GLE)
#balance
pseudo merlin
true
proven rapids
Really expensive lmao
lofty depot
Blud wants a stick wrangler
pseudo merlin
That's 150k car appeal for like 80k
proven rapids
I don't think they look particularly great but hey they have a presence
lofty depot
....
proven rapids
I hate automatics and CVTs
pseudo merlin
CVT 
proven rapids
They're so boring an unengaging
lofty depot
How do u hate automatic when u don't have a car
pseudo merlin
I also hate automatics
proven rapids
CVT <:tettleslul:541422589524836352>
Some of them are decent transmissions I will admit. The Honda we have has a CVT but it's a good one
pseudo merlin
But I hate manuals too because good manuals dont exist in production cars
Other than the latest mustang
And even that is a mediocre tremec
literally bottom barrel
proven rapids
How do u hate automatic when u don't have a car
Because I've owned cars in the past?
proven rapids
I miss my Grand Cherokee something fierce
lofty depot
That's a first car, brain rot take
pseudo merlin
Some of them are decent transmissions I will admit. The Honda we have has a CVT ...
ehhhhhhhhh
I mean depending on what you use it for
proven rapids
But I absolutely cannot afford 16MPG with 89 octane fuel at $6.5/gallon
proven rapids
ehhhhhhhhh
From a functional perspective it's a good transmission. It's reliable, fuel efficient, and does a decent job at keeping the engine at either its peak efficiency or peak performance when needed.
drifting nova
is that alot
lofty depot
Wrangler gas mileage
proven rapids
16MPG???????
An older V8 SUV yeah
proven rapids
is that alot
No it's very bad
lofty depot
Me when my gas over $3.6 
proven rapids
Wrangler gas mileage
A Wrangler will happily sip 87 octane all day long, the hemi needs 89 octane.
lofty depot
"the hemi"
proven rapids
"the hemi"
Yeah that's the engine? I had the Grand Cherokee with the 5.7L HEMI V8
It was amazing and had so much power I loved it but Christ. That fuel economy.
proven rapids
Are you towing a train?
Big hulking SUV driving all four wheels with a big hulking V8 gonna do that.
Plus I wasn't good at being light on the throttle
proven rapids
Ram people "the hemi"
It's Mopar or no car 😎
pseudo merlin
wait hold on I mathed wrong
lofty depot
It's on the shoulder or on the lot
lofty depot
I mean.....
lucid olive
i think my teams paladin is plotting something
proven rapids
16MPG isnt even that bad
Yeah it is lol. I loved my jeep but that was not good
lofty depot
When ur not hauling shit and natty doing 13-16
proven rapids
Plus they only come in automatic* and even though it had a good transmission I still don't want another automatic car if I can avoid it
lofty depot
U might be spectrum
proven rapids
When ur not hauling shit and natty doing 13-16
Okay.
pseudo merlin
I average 23mpg
lofty depot
Buying a commute car doing under 20, u gotta be deficient
proven rapids
Plus they only come in automatic* and even though it had a good transmission I s...
*the first generation ZJ Grand Cherokee came with a five speed manual but they are exceptionally rare
pseudo merlin
ye they all broke down
proven rapids
Buying a commute car doing under 20, u gotta be deficient
That's why I'm....not doing that?
drifting nova
my car peaks at 33 if I'm super conservative
local donkey owner
pseudo merlin
my neighbour had one
proven rapids
ye they all broke down
Tbf they had the goat 4.0 motor
proven rapids
my car peaks at 33 if I'm super conservative
I think my partners Honda will do around that.
I haven't mathed the real world fuel economy
royal zenith
I dont know whats worse, car-talk or M+ talk
pseudo merlin
M+
lofty depot
Car talk with wrangler enjoyers
proven rapids
I wish I had $30k plus another $30k so I could get the ultimate unicorn: the first gen Porsche Cayenne GTS six speed
lofty depot
Blud u live in New England... It's still snowing
proven rapids
I do not live in New England
lofty depot
.....
proven rapids
I love New England but I'm never moving back, mostly because I love where I live now so much more.
pseudo merlin
why do people willingly live in snow
proven rapids
why do people willingly live in snow
Cold > hot
proven rapids
I can't stand the heat
pseudo merlin
Now the jeep thing makes sense
pseudo merlin
But why do snow people always assume that there's only two possible outcomes
proven rapids
Put another log on the fire
pseudo merlin
either you're melting
or there's snow
Like you know you can just have normal warm
proven rapids
Actually where I live now gets neither of those things
pseudo merlin
low humidity
lucid olive
Like you know you can just have normal warm
no
pseudo merlin
proven rapids
It doesn't get hot, it doesn't get cold, it's rarely humid, and it's sunny all summer long
Don't mind the 6-9 months of cloudy grey skies and constant drizzle. It builds character
pseudo merlin
builds therapy bills
proven rapids
Now the jeep thing makes sense
I'll make it worse for you: I want a hard top Sahara trim.
proven rapids
Keeping the rain out, it doesn't snow where I live
pseudo merlin
rains worse
proven rapids
Maybe once or twice a year if we're lucky
proven rapids
I want a hard top both to keep the rain out, to have a functioning rear defogger, and for theft deterrence
(which a stick shift would do anyways)
proven rapids
sahara trim*
No that's because I want power windows and heated seats
And steering wheel media controls
And uh. That's it.
proven rapids
it's 2026, can you still get not power windows
Buying brand new? They only discontinued crank windows a couple years ago on wranglers
Used? It's 50/50
Half the ones I've seen online don't have power windows or locks
Which almost makes sense when you realize you can take the doors off but meh
pseudo merlin
Also having to think about anti theft is so wild
proven rapids
I live in the city
It's just part of life
I'm less worried about someone stealing the car than I am about someone breaking in to steal things out of the car
pseudo merlin
we dont lock our doors because nothing happens, yall dont lock your doors so thieves can break in without breaking the glass
we are not the same
proven rapids
Such is life
Always park next to the nice cars so they'll target those ones not yours
pseudo merlin
or vote better
proven rapids
Anyways realistically I should be dreaming about a Forester cuz the 2.5i Premium has everything I want in a car.
AWD, ground clearance, six speed manual, panoramic sunroof, heated seats, and Android Auto.
proven rapids
No it's not. It's more practical and fuel efficient
And handles better and stops faster
And seats more people
And had more cargo space
And cheaper insurance
And it's safer
pseudo merlin
honda CRV?
proven rapids
honda CRV?
CVT only
drifting nova
actual other language
proven rapids
Luckily the 2014 Forester finally got the FA boxer so we're free of the EJ issues
Then in 2016 it got a face lift that added a panoramic sunroof option
balmy goblet
Yo guys anyone did the voidforge 298 sims for next week for what is our Prio upgrade ?
lofty depot
It'll be based on the items u have, but u'll just sim it on ur character not mine
jolly delta
||(its gonna be weapon)||
lofty depot
shut up silly
pseudo merlin
vinter do you know how acquisition will work
I heard you might need to do 20 keys for 1 thingy
pseudo merlin
nah fam
lofty depot
Mmhm mmhm
pseudo merlin
you need to make the upgrade thing out of 4 things
and those 4 things each consist of 5 small things
jolly delta
tbf I would expect it to work like voidcores did
lofty depot
So like
pseudo merlin
which will take fucking forever maybe
jolly delta
aka you have to farm the things but hopefully you've been farming them already
lofty depot
Presumably 4 raid bosses or 4 m-
pseudo merlin
ye my forge is up to date
jolly delta
so next week you'll have to farm just the last one
lofty depot
Can just slam lfr
royal zenith
I think you are just lying ravec
smh
"Decimus needs 4 Weave Hungering Oblivium total to build the Ascendant Nilhammer. To create a Weave Hungering Oblivium, players need to collect 3 Hungering Oblivium Hungering Oblivium."
you already have 3 by now, if you're up-to-date
which means you need to kill like 3 bosses
for the item
pseudo merlin
hmmmmm
royal zenith
but then again, wow players and reading comprehension!!
pseudo merlin
uno reverse
pseudo merlin
which means you need to kill like 3 bosses
hello?
you need 4 t hingies
every thingy needs 3 thingies
you have 3 thingies
so you need 9 more thingies
how is that 3 bosses
how many thingies from a boss?
royal zenith
😭
pseudo merlin
?
lofty depot
U need 3 more kills
royal zenith
lofty depot
Blud probably thinks we're getting multiple tomorrow lol
royal zenith
no I think ravec genuinely doesn't understand
pseudo merlin
answer the question you lanky glass of milk
royal zenith
Nascent nilhammer = weave hungering oblivion
lofty depot
Use brain instead of Braun, silly little goose
pseudo merlin
silly little game
royal zenith
but it's more fun seeing you struggle
royal zenith
you are literally playing one
pseudo merlin
i will play the most fotm of the fotm classes
aug?
jolly delta
which one
royal zenith
druid
lofty depot
Bear on its way
jolly delta
you are talking about class
if you sum popularity
royal zenith
you can even make feral work
jolly delta
across specs
lofty depot
Think monk more fotm
loud kettle
Top 20 keys all have druid hmm
royal zenith
"But it's all the same groups!!!"
lofty depot
More brew/mw than feral/bear/resto
jolly delta
anyways
royal zenith
can also go for dk
royal zenith
here come the buts
royal zenith
aug it is for you
jolly delta
look at how it gets nerfed next season
literally no one has been playing that god forsaken spec for years
pseudo merlin
The geniuses at my local supermarket had a basket of Guanciale stood next to a meat cooler that had the warm air exhaust vent right on top of the basket of guanciale
🙂
royal zenith
Iunno, druid has been a solid pick for m+
since forever
just gotta be willing to play any of the specs
unless motw gets nerfed
jolly delta
sure
kinda
except the last season I played
(TWW S1)
but I just want to dps for once....
royal zenith
with dps it's just anything is a wild card
legit gotta wait till 8 weeks in and decide, sorta
normal pilot
can't go wrong with dh this xpac
drifting nova
always play the hero class
copper osprey
Do you guys think it’s worth it in aoe especially mplus to throw out a few moonfires? Or is sunfire all you need?
normal pilot
you still need to moonfire. they changed mastery to try to fix it but then just made the set bonus require it just as much
lofty depot
meh, moonfire does damage too
its not like u shouldnt be pressing it
u should be moonfiring while the tank is gather mobs
tacit oriole
What the 🐐 @lofty depot said
lofty depot
👀
lucid olive
you still need to moonfire. they changed mastery to try to fix it but then just ...
its not just tier set tbh, shooting stars got buffed in general
tier set doesnt help tho
i think they should've buffed the AP gen from shooting stars instead of the dmg thoughts
dull dust
What the 🐐 <@121360917907767296> said
dull dust
i think they should've buffed the AP gen from shooting stars instead of the dmg ...
heard wrath dmg increased 40%
lucid olive
umbral embrace should have % chance of proccing from spenders and stack to 2
alternatively just nuke the fucking "cant spend it outside of eclipse" thing cause thats antiquated
lucid olive
i think it's fine to have Wrath/Starfire-oriented talents as long as it's not exclusively that
like "casting starsurge/starfall increases the damage of your next wrath/starfire stacking to 3"
it provides you with a reason to spend so you don't have to constant buff spender damage, and increases the overall damage of your builders without forcing degenerate builder-spam rotation
lucid olive
bro said give boomkin nether precision
no that effect is called Gathering Starstuff
normal pilot
too fancy all you need is starfire spam like tbc
lucid olive
dull dust
nice
dull dust
ye
normal pilot
that was when we had the good dev
lucid olive
that tier set had banger names
normal pilot
he went out of his way thinking up cool names
lucid olive
the 4set was Touch the Cosmos..
dull dust
lucid olive
only it behaved more like communion, except it was a free spender
normal pilot
sundered firmament, syzygy was all him
lucid olive
sundered firmament was Sepulcher tier set no
dull dust
like first 5 nodes
normal pilot
ya he was dev from SL into DF
lucid olive
based
lucid olive
touch should probably be somewhere else on the tree
idk it leads into hail of stars which is fine
i think our talent placements are a bit weird, but thats because solstice+shooting stars are two talents and solar beam is a talent
so those 3 nodes at the top are basically piss
total eclipse didn't hit at all though
that talent blows
even playing with it is not very fun cause if you proc on an Eclipse you don't have other CDs for then you feel bad
dull dust
yeah im just of the opinion if ur taking something in every build it should just be right there
craggy sonnet
Well, you didn't use to
Tier set makes it much better
But other stuff also got worse.. so idk
loud kettle
Syzygy my beloved
lucid olive
spenders didnt do dam
lucid olive
this is what you played in manaforge
royal zenith
is chancel hating on starstuff??
craggy sonnet
in manaforge nothing mattered except for two surges at the end of every ca
loud kettle
Glad I never played that crap fr
lucid olive
this was Undermine, you took Cosmos here but it really didn't matter
craggy sonnet
it was kinda fun ngl
lucid olive
Cosmos and SOTF were basically the same
craggy sonnet
cosmos was just sidegrade yeh
dull dust
this is what you played in manaforge
that shit looks painful
craggy sonnet
in undermine .. whats the breakdown in st for surge?
does it actually do more now?
lucid olive
craggy sonnet
or isnt it just hail of stars
yeah
i think touch still sucks
its all hail of stars
lucid olive
yeah but shooting stars does a ton more now
craggy sonnet
technically, i think its fine that spenders fuel our "dot game"
but if its just touch and hail .. that loop is a bit weak
lucid olive
technically, i think its fine that spenders fuel our "dot game"
yeah i think hail of stars is cool, having a feedback loop tied to spending free procs is fun gameplay
i just don't like the feedback loop being solstice
cause that buff is dogshit + shooting stars damage is really unpredictable
like you reapply dots on the 1st boss in Voidspire and you hit an immune add and you're now proccing on an immune target
and since shooting stars has aoe dr it can get weird
normal pilot
i can't wait for free procs to give you energyAP back
lucid olive
it kinda does that already no
spend free proc to get solstice so you can increase frequency of procs that give you AP..
lucid olive
that shit looks painful
yeah until you realize like 80% of your damage came from 2 globals every 3 minutes
could be perma bear in manaforge and parse 99
lucid olive
nah this was the painful part
dull dust
craggy sonnet
i swear .. that manaforge stuff was a bit weird and punishing / devaluing the remainder of the fight
but shit was kinda fun as well
craggy sonnet
in that sense, i agree
lucid olive
but the way it really devalued haste and only revolved around those 2 globals at end of cooldowns was trash
craggy sonnet
they fumbled something that i feel like could be peak if they iterated on it and brought it back
lucid olive
but the whole PTR cycle for that tier set was a major blunder as well
craggy sonnet
maybe doomed but idk
lucid olive
imagine they pushed the original version to live
craggy sonnet
big bear pogging during incarn
lucid olive
pressing starfall for 2 minutes to not consume the buff, cycling heart of the wild during CDs etc
when the dryad itself did like 0.3% of your damage but the 4set effect did like 70% of your damage
lucid olive
oh yeah that was the initial part
the dryad starsurge benefitting from the 4set
and then adding its own damage to the pool
craggy sonnet
yuup
lucid olive
and the 4set lasted 45 seconds so you could keep it going into new cooldowns
i remember doing a 16 Floodgate on the PTR back then tho and doing like half the healthbar of Big Momma in 2 casts
craggy sonnet
but actually feeling some weight to what you were working towards was big dopa
(and then you didnt crit and life was over)
lucid olive
but actually feeling some weight to what you were working towards was big dopa
thats what hail of stars should be imo
gain stacking buff of something for each free spender
at certain amount of stacks something happens
the buff could be literally anything
lucid olive
proc CA at 20 stacks, proc a moon at 8 stacks, every 7th free spender is doubled
just something like that
dull dust
when the dryad itself did like 0.3% of your damage but the 4set effect did like ...
walk into a big m+ pull fully ramped and just oneshot it in 3seconds
was a wild ptr time
normal pilot
i think generally counter mechanics are bad
shitty ux
you'd need it built into the main UI like locks & shards building up
craggy sonnet
do you even need it to be a counter thing tho?
can just have it trigger at the end of ca
drop a nuke
it can count in the background
lucid olive
idk, point should be to change Hail of Stars without ruining the talents purpose imo
idc however that is done tbh
normal pilot
hm you could prune down all the pointless eclipse-related stuff, tune eclipse appropriately, and give you -cdr every time you cast a free spender.
indigo ether
For everyone that played on Belo'ren
normal pilot
would have to decouple incarn/CA into a real cd
indigo ether
did u guys go convoke build
lucid olive
hm you could prune down all the pointless eclipse-related stuff, tune eclipse ap...
yeah that too
indigo ether
or did some of you guys stick with playing incarn
lucid olive
would have to decouple incarn/CA into a real cd
nah, just take my cook of CA/Incarn extending any active Eclipse
so just adds +15/20 to your active Eclipse
thats how you fix the Eclipse/CA cd planning nightmare as well
gives you options whether to frontload your CDs into a short time span or space them out more, allowing for effects like NG or Elune's Challenge to proc
normal pilot
well i'd re-evaluate all those random eclipse tied stuff
lucid olive
oh yeah for sure
normal pilot
should jsut be one way or other
either you always want longer eclipse, or you always want faster cycling
lofty depot
or did some of you guys stick with playing incarn
easier to play convoke
normal pilot
having a use case for both is just asking for distaster with blizz
lucid olive
hmm, maybe wishful thinking for a time where class design is more in focus
indigo ether
easier to play convoke
How come. Isnt it more buttons to press during setup?
craggy sonnet
so just adds +15/20 to your active Eclipse
i know you brought that up before .. but how should that work in your opinion?
lofty depot
How come. Isnt it more buttons to press during setup?
because convoke is upfront damage and its most of ur cd rather than having to play closer to perfect with incarn
theres also a bunch of movement in the egg phase
lucid olive
enter Solar Eclipse -> after 6 seconds of Eclipse you press CA -> You now have 15+9 seconds on Solar and 15+0 seconds on Lunar
in the same note it could also be:
enter Solar Eclipse -> Proc Total Eclipse -> After 5 seconds you press CA -> You now have 10+15 second duration on both Eclipses
craggy sonnet
hm
craggy sonnet
i feel like this is kinda awkward still with all the eclipse start/end effects
lofty depot
yea remove them
craggy sonnet
and how these reset etc
lucid olive
I don't think it's perfect at all, but I think it's a solution to the CD planning nightmare
lofty depot
how about that
indigo ether
because convoke is upfront damage and its most of ur cd rather than having to pl...
ok, true that makes sense since phase shifts have a lot of rng
lofty depot
shut up rat
lucid olive
it would also keeping CA/Incarn tied to Eclipse still
normal pilot
need to get rid of solar/lunar eclipse too, pointless as things are now
lucid olive
I think probably the best solution is decoupling CA/Incarn from Eclipse
but that sounds so boring
normal pilot
you could make CA do someting like 'double/triple effect of current eclipse' and it'd work out
craggy sonnet
macro it
drifting nova
half gcd and full gcd
normal pilot
/castsequence reset=10 eclipse,ca
drifting nova
drifting nova
you know full well thatl never happen
craggy sonnet
thanks for your contribution
drifting nova
/castsequence reset=10 eclipse,ca
idk what that does but I disagree
craggy sonnet
in any case .. ca is not on the gcd
normal pilot
it's all just yapping anyways, wouldn't expect anything until 14.0 when they do level squish and can really yank out stuff
craggy sonnet
14.0 💀
normal pilot
they can't really remove stuff in 13.0 when they need to add 10 more talents
lucid olive
nah theyre going for the sixtology after finishing the trilogy
drifting nova
they can't really remove stuff in 13.0 when they need to add 10 more talents
prune number 2
craggy sonnet
tbf .. they could rework whenever
lucid olive
a million dollars in coins could fall down my chimney as well
but somehow i don't see either thing happening
craggy sonnet
just saying they did it plenty of times in the last couple of years
but yeah
probably depends mostly on if your class dev changes
if you are looking for any significant change
lucid olive
yeah lets change class dev so they try to put back Circle of Life and Death
for the 3rd time
drifting nova
wouldnt be surprised if apexs get binned entirely
proven rapids
Keep using different words for new talents.
rough flax
just make 1 min cds a general thing
like ngl it so much more fun on pala or my wl
to have cds every 1 min
proven rapids
Hero talents? Now we've got apex talents
Apex talents? Well we'll need peak talents
Peak talents? How about summit talents
lofty depot
summit1g?
lofty depot
like ngl it so much more fun on pala or my wl
u can play with 1m cds
normal pilot
you'll be able to convert some talents to titanic talents that come with a socket where you put in titan relic for new effects
craggy sonnet
lets expand that to all abilities and call it glyphs
normal pilot
i don't think the ability UI has room for sockets sorry
it's just a page if you punch a hole ti'll just rip
drifting nova
multi socket items when
lofty depot
midnight falls has multiple sockets
lofty depot
sure
lofty depot
he literally asked dork
lucid olive
that was the impression
lucid olive
he doesnt who
yes he does
didnt even have to turn the page..
bros a full blown owl
fossil shard
lofty depot
FUCKING HOW
lofty depot
smh
lucid olive
i still havent sent my 2nd this week in nexus point
i got ring and staff on the 2 rolls i've done in there
zinc lagoon
i got ring and staff on the 2 rolls i've done in there
If you set your loot to feral, you get more chances for the other items cause loot list is smaller
unless you're searching the staff ofc
hushed dock
Hey quick question im new on Balance druid and i saw at first you play high mastery and haste now im curious why my dmg pretty low. and saw that most of people go more crit hows that
lucid olive
Hey quick question im new on Balance druid and i saw at first you play high mast...
where did you see you want high mastery and haste
digital berry
NPX staff is mastery crit right? (unrelated )
hushed dock
WoWhead, on stat prio but i just saw now it didnt got update for 2months
digital berry
stat prio isn't real
it's clickbait
you sim what you have and what you can get and equip the best dps option
normal pilot
prolly on one of the thousands of random 1 paragraph + boilerplate + ads pages
hushed dock
or i was just imaging it could also be cause i played it last time in Dragonflight
so i just want so swap some of my mastery in haste into crit got it
but for me so i understand more of the class what is critting that hard on balance?
lucid olive
ideally youd want to sim your character's gear and wear the gear it tells you to and not really worry about stats
but sure
apex talent 2 and 3
all crits during eclipse leave an igniting dot
its pretty good, 4th on breakdown here
hushed dock
ahhhhhhhh okey understood, welp i probably have a lot of simming my charackter in front of me
narrow iron
Is anyone else getting no invites in +16 keys or higher or is it just me?
narrow iron
character bricked
Really? how so?
lucid olive
i'm joking
narrow iron
i'm joking
Oh lol
I just wanted to know if the class was just that "bad" for meta or was me.
ripe slate
if we're vers maxing BOY are my stats bad 
digital berry
vers maxing means having vers at 0
ripe slate
lofty depot
ruhroh
dull dust
slackers fr
sudden pawn
sudden pawn
u are trolling extremely hard its over
digital berry
probably why im sat on belo prog
digital berry
ofc you'd say that
craggy sonnet
why are we missing out on crit dmg meta bonus
lucid olive
thats the amount you get from the 1 blue gem required for the meta gem
so 16 is optimal
digital berry
ope he right
lucid olive
cause crit meta gem is good
sudden pawn
well my feely craft doesnt care so
lucid olive
real
digital berry
im so cooked
craggy sonnet
fr
lucid olive
yeah youre screwed
normal pilot
Are there still stam orange gems
craggy sonnet
cant remember seeing them when leveling jc on some alt
normal pilot
unlucky need to suffer vers
delicate perch
im so cooked
kinda cringe (I need more sockets 
)
dull dust
u cant get stam gems no
exotic perch
thats gorgeous froyo
delicate perch
lucid olive
you see the rank 1 lura guy taking rattle 1m convoke
and beating prev rank 1 with 10k
sudden pawn
god lord
lucid olive
none of them crit
its because of all the vers
sudden pawn
idk if we will rekill lura for awhile have a ton of vacations
ok no prob my crit will be fine
just boner rolled this
craggy sonnet
and beating prev rank 1 with 10k
Too bad you are locked into weaver
lucid olive
nah, next raid is after big weapon upgrades on everyone
craggy sonnet
And then you'll go full st?
I thought you just played weaver cause you like it that much more
lucid olive
i play whatever kills the boss
delicate perch
based
lucid olive
said it weeks ago that rattle convoke was probably better than starweaver on lura
had arctic hounding me for putting rattle 1m convoke in guide
craggy sonnet
Oh ok.
I thought you said you were playing convoke weaver on lura
lucid olive
i've been swapping back and forth
did some pulls on EC very early as well
that shit stank
craggy sonnet
Nobody able to handle big boy EC
lucid olive
yes
lucid olive
you didnt log in when starfire was over 50% of your dmg
copper gate
lucid olive
A weapon
ripe slate
its just gonna be like the pvp one that already exists
and you cna upgrade everything if you do enough content grinding
or so im told (not a pvper)
but id believe it, since it's pretty awkward if it's time gated but you wanna upgrade weppie but you have crafted
ripe slate
im just saying itd be weird if they made the upgrade items timegated bc of crafted
i expect them to be grindable like pvp ones
for example if they were 1/wk, if you sent on a crafted but got a myth weapon at some point
unless you wanted to delay a trinket uppie you just couldnt use that myth wep
till like week 4
ripe slate
unfortunately blizzard has told us nothing about the 12.0.5 systems so it's all a find out when it goes live xd
fair pasture
Would also feel kinda bad if u upgrade ur bis heroic trinket then drop mythic version
ripe slate
that too ya
theyll prob just repeatedly make you do the "get 3 things" quest to get more tokens
lfr gonna see unprecedented levels of participation tomorrow
lucid olive
i expect them to be grindable like pvp ones
I don't think anybody knows for sure which version is actually gonna be real
The initial blue post makes it seem like finishing the Nilhammer lets you infinitely grind the upgrade items from content, but the Nilhammer in-game says it requires additional reagents every week
I think regardless of how it ends up coming out, you have two options:
Either ignore interacting with the system until the inevitable bugs have been fixed
Or abuse the system early before the bugs have been fixed
Didn't realize that typo in the tooltip until now
You'd think whatever software they write their tooltip in should have spell check..
ripe slate
I don't think anybody knows for sure which version is actually gonna be real
oh yeah nobody knows at all but im just making my own guesses since there's a lot of weirdness if it's timegated
that being said, blizz does weird things on the regular
lucid olive
that being said, blizz does weird things on the regular
Yeah for sure
fair pasture
just don't use heroic trinkets
: (
lucid olive
I also said before the bonus rolls came out that people should maybe avoid interacting with it for the first few days cause it was bound to be turbo bugged
ripe slate
the bug benefitted us though
ripe slate
i didnt gain anything personally tbh
i just rolled 2 more times on xenas and missed again
lucid olive
I don't see how it benefits me to drop the same cloak twice even if I got a refund
ripe slate
took me til this week to finish my ring set rolling it every week lol
lucid olive
I still have 1 broll for this week..
I've barely had time to play outside of raid since it's exam season
ripe slate
my priest has also missed the 1/4 1/3 and 1/2 for gaze 
lucid olive
If I was smart I would turbo gear my DH so I could get 289 on neck, cloak and rings and get discount for my main
ripe slate
ive discounted a couple items with my priest
lucid olive
If I have the last slots discounted I can be full myth track with exactly 100 crests
hallow cave
i didnt gain anything personally tbh
same, got chimaerus belt 2 times on each char
then got the trink in vault
ripe slate
i just ended up rolling xenas 4 times
got the crit ring twice, boots, and somethin else idr
i have 3 myth crit irngs now
they're a collection in my bags
lucid olive
I rolled Xenas twice, got Crit ring and staff
ripe slate
lucid olive
The cloaks I rolled were from Skyreach cause I was fishing for a weapon..
Rolled Dreamrift once and got Gaze too
lucid olive
Salhadaar neck in vault
lucid olive
Same
lucid olive
Or well, I can't take socket so
lucid olive
Taking bonus roll probably if vault is bad
hallow cave
was lucky on dragons, got myth trink on 1st roll
lucid olive
instead of 1//8?
It's not really 1/8 vs 1/3 tho since raid rolls are twice as expensive
lofty depot
and the only upgrades are cloaks and neck
well sure
but then its 2/15
which is still worse
ripe slate
rolling pit tomorrow for 1/8 and 1/7 for a neck and not gonna get it
just roll lura for abyssal hymn on ur kill next week
lofty depot
i wnat it for MY PROG PARSE U FUCK
ripe slate
that was gonna be my next target but i got given the neck that dropped off our kill
now im a crit flasker
lofty depot
well i dont hink we kill thursday
ripe slate
when we killed i saw like 9 people bonus roll
lofty depot
so could just wait til saturday......
lofty depot
reroll saldbar
ripe slate
sockets own
lofty depot
ye
fair pasture
33/26.5^2 or 43.16+16
loud kettle
1/8 + 1/7 + 1/6 + 1/5 + 1/4 is 122% !!!
ripe slate
lol
lofty depot
lock that in
fair pasture
-1/12 actually
ripe slate
is there anything else useful on either of those tables or just the neck lol
ripe slate
i probably wouldnt even give it brain power till u see whats vault anyway
could just loot it natty lol
lofty depot
saladbar waist is beans
lofty depot
i probably wouldnt even give it brain power till u see whats vault anyway
nah gotat run down all the options
lofty depot
1/8 + 1/7 + 1/6 + 1/5 + 1/4 is 122% !!!
2/15 surely correct
loud kettle
no
loud kettle
huh
strong kelp
Hey guys, save me the work of simming embellishment options. Is 1h myth wep + OH craft with embelishment always better than 2H or does that change with upgrade coming out?
lofty depot
uhhh no
loud kettle
Gotta daggerweave real or real
lofty depot
but that implies u have 2 embells on the side pieces for arcanoweave
strong kelp
Hm, i don't so i guess just sending on one hand then?
ripe slate
on what, salad?
lofty depot
Hm, i don't so i guess just sending on one hand then?
well u have a million sparks sujrely
ripe slate
drops the stupid ribbon?
lofty depot
well its total
strong kelp
I do have sparks, but I feel like I'm in giga crest debt already
lofty depot
ye
lofty depot
I do have sparks, but I feel like I'm in giga crest debt already
u have a million of those aswell
get 100 more tomorrow
ripe slate
i gotta get my tuba from vault
vital hound
royal zenith
ripe slate
eyeball weakaura
no clue, doubt it tho. last i saw was snowball tech ages ago but i bet thats fixed
fossil hemlock
is there an addon for lothraxion yet
Send a wrath from far away, or a moonfire at 0.1 second
The animations still stay locked on
drifting nova
I dont press wrath tho
fossil hemlock
"Hey, can I skip this mechanic?"
"Yeah just do this"
"But I don't cast this spell"
fossil hemlock
You haven't learned wrath
fossil hemlock
found out yday starfire is the goto levelling spell for bc chicken
Yeah it hits hard
royal zenith
You dont even play the helly
drifting nova
You dont even play the helly
hello?
scenic shard
a question regarding Ascendant voidcores...(weapon/trinket upgrades things) Do we get just 1 per week or is it farmable? Because i still have a crafted staff so i would like to know if i should spend in on it or wait until i get a ultimate bis one
round field
Ultimate bis
ripe slate
a question regarding Ascendant voidcores...(weapon/trinket upgrades things) Do w...
nobody knows till tomorrow
blizz hasnt told us anything about either of the .5 systems we've gotten
fossil hemlock
They told us a decent amount about the bonus roll system, but quite literally nothing about ilvl upgrade except "it exists"
jade flume
i remember that from reading the bluepost it seemed like you will be able to farm the cores
but who the heck knows
fair pasture
no clue, doubt it tho. last i saw was snowball tech ages ago but i bet thats fix...
FoE
ripe slate
fossil hemlock
Moonfire works fine 99% of the time
fair pasture
It's like the snowball tech but good
But like saving it just for that maybe debatable I just had it line up perfectly once
jade flume
That's the gist I got too
its also been out in pvp since start of 12.0.5
and thats how it works there
you just farm it like catalyst chorges
fossil hemlock
Makes sense
Imagine if it was weekly, and you were a fury warrior playing pwar off spec
4-6 weeks of upgrades
Wait, 6-8 weeks even
fair pasture
Truuue
proven copper
Hey, do you guys know why the “naowh’s” interrupt macro doesn’t work with solar beam ?
pallid bay
bro said naowhs interrupt macro
expecting that to be common knowledge
@white charm this one for you sir, whats the interrupt macro he speaks of
sudden flame
graceful rune
so the bis wep is a one-hand though next week we will be able to upgrade to 298 will the staff be stronger again or should we go for the 1hander
delicate perch
if it's like cata charges and farmable it would not matter
delicate perch
I will not do that
wintry scroll
expecting that to be common knowledge
can you help me with my lua errors on naowh ui
ruby badger
You need to ping him in addition to the reply
livid jay
it is fake news that guardian does more damage than boomkin on egg phase for beloren right?
ruby badger
also relied on a 30 sec egg phase
double incarn as balance for a 40 sec egg phase is pretty good
devout solar
<@142094254112636928> this one for you sir, whats the interrupt macro he speaks ...
he posted a macro on twitter that auto targets a casting mobs and interrupts it. I imagine it doesn't work for ranged interrupt as it seems to use the auto-target functionality of meelee ability when you don't have a target
civic junco
It’s this one, in case anyone wants it:
#showtooltip Pummel
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast [harm] Pummel
/targetlasttarget
use this as a kick macro
it's smart kicking
it will detect what's casting around you and you don't have to flick off your target
to kick
Obviously, replace pummel with whatever
Also I’d recommend keeping it on a separate keybind and keeping your regular kick. Sometimes two casts are going off at the same time and it will kick the less important one.
fossil hemlock
Tab just works the same, vs. having to make a macro for each of your characters kicks and still needing a separate no-macro kick on your bars "Just in case"
spice roost
copy pasting is pretty ez tho
curious does tab target right away a new kickable target or will u need to tab multiple times ? i always used mouseover myself
fossil hemlock
If you're aiming the direction of the mob it will prio "prio" mobs ie. casting mobs that you can stop
Sometimes blizz spaghetti causes spaghetti things but it does work in like 99% of cases if you're looking at the pack
spice roost
ah
fossil hemlock
It's not completely reliable, but it's reliable enough if you're lazy
dense steeple
We need to stop relying on being lazy and just playthe fuckin game
fossil hemlock
We need to stop relying on being lazy and just playthe fuckin game
Hey can I introduce you to the guardian channel this last week? "Guys can I make a cast sequence macro for thrash then 3x moonfire, while also using ironfur each time I press it?"
lusty echo
Can someone tell me how to make Elune's chosen work for Beloren MM withoout convoke ? I see some top parsers nailing it
lofty depot
Press Starfire gooder
All those incarn logs have pi right... But its just a matter of convoke being easier to get your damage out
slender island
question to our APL experts, does the much-hated vessel of tortured souls trink actually sim correctly / realistically? is there some special string to configure a certain orb pick up % like we had for the spidermoth trinket last tier
lofty depot
It's not an apl thing but the uptime on it is set to 40%
dense steeple
Hey can I introduce you to the guardian channel this last week? "Guys can I make...
Sounds like the macro request we got yesterday here too
"Id like to press eclipse, foe, and trees all at once macro please"
slender island
It's not an apl thing but the uptime on it is set to 40%
i have it on my mage and it does't seem so bad, most of the time i actually have multiple stacks and surely feels like way more than 40% uptime
verbal shadow
Hey guys, I am returning to midnight and not played since legion. I am just lvl 90 and 265il. I don't have a guild to raid with atm and just doing M+. What are the best things to roll for using voidcores?
slender island
but if it's simming at 40% uptime and single stack, then it's definitely simming worse than how it performs for real
verbal shadow
also, for M+ is it my prio mastery > haste
lofty depot
but if it's simming at 40% uptime and single stack, then it's definitely simming...
Can u show a log of u playing ur mage with said trinket
lofty depot
Hey guys, I am returning to midnight and not played since legion. I am just lvl ...
Nexus point is good for the rings can get staff aswell
slender island
ok i found midnight.vessel_of_tortured_souls_miss_chance in the wiki, can play with that
lofty depot
Vaelgor and gaze trinkets are good from raid tho. U should want them
verbal shadow
@lofty depot thank you
OIs the best way to try and get them to clear heroic and hope in vault?
lofty depot
Can reroll them as well tbf but yes
verbal shadow
I can roll them on heroic and they go to mythic?
lofty depot
No
verbal shadow
ahhh ok, but they will be better on HC rolls than any M+ trinket?
lofty depot
Vaelgors is better yes
Gaze maybe not ..... I'd have to check
Gaze can be plugged pretty easily
verbal shadow
So I can do voidspire and dreamrift on HC and then my vault can drop mythic versions of those items?
thanks a lot for the help btw, very kind
lofty depot
So I can do voidspire and dreamrift on HC and then my vault can drop mythic vers...
Well no, I was saying u can put mythic chimaerus
Doing heroic raid can't get u mythic items
slender island
Can u show a log of u playing ur mage with said trinket
lofty depot
Big 65%
slender island
Big 65%
it is also a dungeon with quite some downtime :p so im sure that number can be improved, but i ran some sims now and even with 0% miss rate which is ofc unrealistic it still sims a bit stinky
it's just that i have little to no hope of getting myth vaelgor, since my guild is progging paladins now, with no plans for a reclear, so just looking around at whether myth trinks from MC or WS might be viable with the voidcore; but looks like the answer is no, since vaelgor and gaze even in HC are just too good
slender island
i already have gaze and vaelgor HC
lofty depot
Well then there's no problem
slender island
yep, if the voidcores are farmable then i'll just use them on the HC trinks until i get myth, some day
we still have little to no information about the voidcores, right?
slender island
used my rolls on nxp and have both rings and weap, yep
slender island
https://www.wowhead.com/news/prepare-for-reset-by-being-3-3-on-the-ascendant-nil...
i could be missing something but that only talks about the timegated stuff we've had the past 3 weeks 
i dont see anything about how voidcores will be obtained (saw suggestions in other forums that it will be like the cata charges, but unconfirmed)
lofty depot
Well yea those parts worn get confirmed til today
slender island
but if i were to guess i'd say we'll have to wait another 4 weeks to upgrade the next item 😂
lofty depot
Doubt it's 4 weeks
slender island
Doubt it's 4 weeks
pseudo merlin
@drifting nova
candid fox
Anyone know, will we be able to upgrade weapon and both trinkets today? or is this time gated?
lusty echo
All those incarn logs have pi right... But its just a matter of convoke being ea...
They don't convoke, that's what I don't understand
royal zenith
what's there to not understand about it?
lofty depot
Well that's cuz they're playing incarn
I assume most people should just play keeper convoke cuz they're more used to it and easier to cast
EC will do a little more in p1 to birds
But the important part is egg damage and u not int-ing cuz ur playing something ur not good at
digital berry
no way the upgrade item is farmable, surely it's like one every 2 weeks or smth
royal zenith
eager granite
is the crucible trinket from rep sim bait?
scarlet tapir
@na people are the things to upgrade capped or nah
lucid olive
is the crucible trinket from rep sim bait?
No, sim bait is fake
lusty echo
But the important part is egg damage and u not int-ing cuz ur playing something ...
I never use convoke, on any boss. I fear I might fail it 😢
scarlet tapir
WHERES MY NECKL
u got bigger fish to fry
royal zenith
did you see @pseudo merlin
scarlet tapir
@lofty depot
scarlet tapir
you have to grind even more
i dont mind that
lusty echo
u played it for 2 years
Started balance S1 in Midnight
scarlet tapir
if its not capped
cause it doesnt make sense being capped
if its only for 3 items
4 for 1h users
royal zenith
I'd be surprised if you instantly get 3 items if you only got 2 bonus rolls per week
scarlet tapir
but bonus rolls has the possibility for any piece of gear