balance

[jolly delta]

yeah was about to say

like

i havent tried eui

[lucid olive]

i just have 0 reason to try it

[pallid bay]

damn

[jolly delta]

but the only thing i've heard about it is that it has the same features of elvui

but loads way waster

[lucid olive]

it's probably good

[loud kettle]

Love wasting loads

[lucid olive]

doesn't require you to have details anymore either

[dull dust]

u what

[lucid olive]

ellesmereui has its own damage meter skinning

[jolly delta]

yeah i might try it

[lucid olive]

it also has CDM stuff right so you're decreasing total amount of addons

[loud kettle]

Damage meter is useless gonna be real

Its always wrong

[dull dust]

yep

[lucid olive]

the skin isn't useless!!!

[loud kettle]

Yes it is

Its skinning a useless feature

[lofty depot]

well that means u have an aug

[lucid olive]

the orange bar needs to be correct color when i see my name on meters

[lofty depot]

get rid of those

[drifting nova]

the skin breaks the base damage tho no?

[lucid olive]

no

[loud kettle]

No it's wrong without augs too

[dull dust]

its wrong even without aug

[drifting nova]

[dull dust]

blizz just suck

[loud kettle]

Its so bad

Like genuinely pointless

[lofty depot]

yea but its more wrong

[drifting nova]

it will be improved upon

[cloud citrus]

imagine aug made it more correct

[lofty depot]

double wrong

[lucid olive]

any error in details or other dmg meter addons now are like purely from blizz

[drifting nova]

blizzard have a history of improving upon things

[dull dust]

[lucid olive]

remember they said their dmg meter would be more correct since they could server side calc aug

[loud kettle]

(:

[drifting nova]

well its more correct

shows my hunters dying more often

so it tracks

[cloud citrus]

they said that would be in after the first tier though right

[drifting nova]

feign death rise

[lucid olive]

yeah after they failed to have it in by launch

[cloud citrus]

like specifically said the aug thing would be not in the first tier

[drifting nova]

big shock they undertook the combined tasks of most addon devs over like 15 years

in 3months

[cloud citrus]

i mean they kind of had to try right if they wanted to go down this road

[drifting nova]

no, no they didnt

[lucid olive]

yeah but i don't think that's an excuse

[cloud citrus]

people like MVQ 100% just going to sit there for 16 hours a day coding loopwholes

[drifting nova]

they needed to swallow the ego

and say "we cant do this in time"

[lucid olive]

if you can't make something functional then maybe it wasn't the time to start going down this route

[cloud citrus]

i dont think they were ever going into this thinking they could do it on time

[lucid olive]

really

[drifting nova]

at the very least doing parts in the background over time

it was always going to be a disaster

if the player is given the option of addon 1 vs blizzard

[lucid olive]

the company that said they made the expansion without any time crunch or anyone working overtime

[drifting nova]

the quality will not compete

still very much stand by addons being a greater part of the game than the actual game is, its just like class balance

the lens through which you view the game

if its cracked you aint seeing shit

[dull dust]

ngl

[lucid olive]

class balance and class design are different things

but yeah i agree

[dull dust]

the game is just less fun without addons

[drifting nova]

it shows when X class is bad dps wise

but fine mechanics wise

takes a class to be bad mechanically AND dps wise

you will enjoy the game less

[jolly delta]

[drifting nova]

if your class sucks

hell I didnt even use addons, had no need too

[lucid olive]

well, the game was more popular and had more players when class balance was bad but class design was good

[dull dust]

like u do a key without something telling us the 10th mob in a pack is about to kill u ur just gunna have less fun

idk

[drifting nova]

but the few weakauras I did use were covering the blizzard cracks

[jolly delta]

like im sorry but

[drifting nova]

that had been there for 20years

[lucid olive]

class balance is probably close to the best it's ever been

[jolly delta]

interrupts in m+ can be enjoyable only if you have a target kick macro and a custom ui to see the target cast

[drifting nova]

if I cant find the ONE buff I want to see in 20buffs thats a blzizard issue

[jolly delta]

and ideally a cast tts alert

[lucid olive]

every class feels homogenized, niches are getting removed one by one

[ripe slate]

ill accept homogenization when i get displacer beast back

[drifting nova]

the interrupt creep was getting more and more toxic to the game (as seen in tww)

I cant remember interrupting much in legion

[dull dust]

well sure but im juat trying to say that they removed addons and a lot of pulls still have too much going on to see everything at once

[lucid olive]

im sure your party members also cant remember you interrupting much in legion

[cloud citrus]

ye i agree you shouldnt have to log to see casts and stuff and aug should be included but i havent really had any trouble with anything else

[jolly delta]

whats your highest m+?

[cloud citrus]

and i have geared like 6-7 classes at this point and they are all pretty fun and unique

i did some 16s and we had a 1% wip belo

[dull dust]

whats ur highest on rogue

[drifting nova]

god legion was cool

[lucid olive]

my game flooding with lua errors when i open my macro window while hitting a dummy

[cloud citrus]

see i never got these gamz

like even full base ui i never had any of these problems

[drifting nova]

my favourite was lua errors with no addons

yknow..blizzard spouting them out

[lucid olive]

well thats not true, you just don't see it

changing macros are secret in combat

so opening the window and interacting with it while hitting a dummy will error you no matter what

[cloud citrus]

ive had erros turned on for like the entirety of the expansion at this point

[drifting nova]

I finally gave in and got whats it called..plumber to hide the lua errors

[jolly delta]

uhh +10 in DF S1

[dull dust]

wtf

[lucid olive]

i barely get LUA errors as well, that was just an example of a secret value that you can run into

another one is typing in guild chat or whatever during combat

[cloud citrus]

ye i dont think i really do those the biggest one i had was guild tab having problems

but that was fixed recently

[drifting nova]

wait your guild loads?

its not loaded in a week for me

[cloud citrus]

o i guess mine fixed

[jolly delta]

do i look like someone that plays rogue

[lucid olive]

there's just a bunch of stuff they made inaccessible/secret in combat to counter automated assignments

[dull dust]

yes

[lucid olive]

same reason raid buffs arent cancellable

[drifting nova]

you think vinter can count to 5?

[cloud citrus]

yea the node stuff they were using was kinda cracked

[dull dust]

@agile oracle yes or no no elaborate

[lofty depot]

why we always gotta thumbnail boomkin parse numby

[cloud citrus]

Vortex Pinnicle no.1 mythic+ dungeon

[drifting nova]

if I dont agree with it I will flame endlessly

and if I do I still will

[dull dust]

+3

pog

[royal zenith]

nice affixes

[drifting nova]

bring them back

[agile oracle]

No

[lucid olive]

what about yes

[livid jay]

[agile oracle]

No

[lucid olive]

i would crash tf out

i had this roar assignment on dimensius p1

[livid jay]

u wanna know who put it there

[dull dust]

[loud kettle]

@agile oracle ur hair lookin' fine today, almost as good as the rest of u

[livid jay]

@scarlet ocean ....

[dull dust]

sorry vinter your rogue career is jover

[agile oracle]

Ty king

I got my beard growing back thank god

[scarlet ocean]

get fucked and do it

[livid jay]

[lucid olive]

why assign damage cds

[livid jay]

no those are mine

copied from galq xD

[lucid olive]

aha

why put dmg cds in note for yourself

[scarlet ocean]

whispyr

[lofty depot]

that roar isnt getting pressed

[scarlet ocean]

idk man

the bdk has short legs

[livid jay]

less thinking

[scarlet ocean]

wcyd

[lofty depot]

or ur cds arent getting pressed until that roar

[lucid olive]

so i assume you have each eclipse in there

[livid jay]

every wrath

[lucid olive]

i could see eclipse having value as a "less thinking" option

[livid jay]

yea

tbh start of prog i just import some makes it easier to learn at start of fight

[lucid olive]

but i don't see value in the cooldowns that naturally line up and you press in intermission

[livid jay]

yea not much value on this fight

[lucid olive]

also with a 7s roar assignment i would just enter eclipse first

and then send cds after the roar

if you had incarn you could shift off gcd too

[agile oracle]

[jolly delta]

Forgot to elaborate

[agile oracle]

they said no elaborate

[pallid bay]

What's this good for

[ruby badger]

roar is on CD so you won't end up using it in convoke

[lofty depot]

aint pressing it in convoke even if they beg

[jolly delta]

whats the alt meta now that I have a fuckton of bonus rolls and crests

do i first bonus roll everything and then craft?

or not worth crafting

[lucid olive]

press H and park them in your house

[lofty depot]

prob still worth crafting staff unless ur rolling nxp

[lucid olive]

think he was asking in general and not moonkin specific or

[jolly delta]

got this funny fella

but

[lofty depot]

that good staff

[dull dust]

alt meta is u so 2 weeks of 1 roll in keys then do 1 week of 4

[lofty depot]

go ask in general then

this moonkin channel

mmhm mmhm

[jolly delta]

it was moonkin specific in this case but im more asking about the crest cost

[lucid olive]

upgrading weapon -> crafting

[lofty depot]

i did some cool, crafting on alts so my main got lower up grades

[lucid olive]

probably the best route

[lofty depot]

i need to do more on my alt moonkin so i can do those crafts :/

[loud kettle]

Crafting has to be bad right

[jolly delta]

like now I have so many myth items I feel like upgrading myth pieces is better

[loud kettle]

You dont get discount

But upgrading is half off

[jolly delta]

I mean I dont have discount on myth either right?

[loud kettle]

What the heck man

[lucid olive]

you do with myth achievement

285 average on any character

[jolly delta]

Yeah im like 284

[loud kettle]

Imagine not having myth achieve

[jolly delta]

Next week

[lucid olive]

gg...

[jolly delta]

i skipped first two weeks...

[loud kettle]

I had that last week as a healer

[lucid olive]

if i had any will to log in i would gear my DH enough to max out the slots i don't have my druid maxed at

that way i can be fully done with my character next reset

[loud kettle]

Im not degenerate enough for that

[lucid olive]

its exactly 100 crests to fully upgrade the rest of my pieces if they're discounted

[lucid olive]

yeah the game isn't fun enough rn to bother

[cloud citrus]

man slamming alt to gear your main is crazy

[lofty depot]

big tech

need neck from saladbar... never drop

[loud kettle]

M+ farming 💀

[cloud citrus]

like i slammed my pally this season to hero track to get hero track for my main and it saved me so many crests

[loud kettle]

I feel like I dislike m+ more and more every season

[lucid olive]

welcome to the club

[cloud citrus]

then slammed my aug to myth achieve to get my mage to full

[lucid olive]

M+ only fun if you're pushing with a team and getting better together

or if you're just shooting the shit with friends

[cloud citrus]

Tuesday Trap Keys

[lucid olive]

probably gonna end this week with like 1 key done i think

[normal pilot]

is it still 8 keys for full vault

[lucid olive]

ye

[normal pilot]

they need to just drop that to 3

[lucid olive]

1/4/8

[loud kettle]

I do maybe 1

I did none last week

[cloud citrus]

i have done 1 the last 2 weeks

[loud kettle]

Just dont care

[lucid olive]

i did 1 to roll nexus point and then havent done any either

still have a bonus roll sitting

[cloud citrus]

i need 100 myth crests but cbf

[loud kettle]

Ya i did 2 this week for nexus point rolls

[jolly delta]

i mean its not like it matters anymore at this point

at least there's that

[cloud citrus]

have 4 coins to roll on spire aswell

[lucid olive]

only item i can get is the myth track Omission ring from nexus point anyway

salhadaar neck as well i guess

[cloud citrus]

d4 has taken my time a lot though been pretty fun

[lofty depot]

do u get myth crests from only bountiful 11s?

i dont have hero achieve on alt.. cant trade up :/

[wild dune]

yes

[drifting nova]

account wide no?

[lofty depot]

ye

well not that one

[drifting nova]

oh god its sunday

[lofty depot]

u need the items on the character to be able to trade up crests

[drifting nova]

idk when to do my single key of the week

[cloud citrus]

youve got 3 days

surely do some trap keys

[drifting nova]

some what now

[cloud citrus]

trap keys

[drifting nova]

hmm yes

every key is a trap key

locked in the cage

[lucid olive]

need friends for those

[drifting nova]

[cloud citrus]

pugs can be friends

[drifting nova]

absolutely not

[meager storm]

yo this spec is actually boring on m+ holy sht

[lofty depot]

its been boring for 3 expansions dawg

[meager storm]

nah it was ok last tiers

[lofty depot]

it was only not boring for 1 season then they didnt like us having fun

[ruby badger]

Just pretend your casts are consume and void ray

[delicate perch]

1/1/1 for m+ vault imo

[lofty depot]

brain rot "it was ok last tier"

its quite literally the same

[ruby badger]

There's more this tier with new eclipse it feels like

[lofty depot]

cope

[meager storm]

last tier we had ramps and sht, we literally have nothing to track or care about

[delicate perch]

care about the end of raid to logout

[meager storm]

im literally running on use shrooms to feel something

[lucid olive]

what ramp

[lofty depot]

play weaver and track something

[lofty depot]

u can ramp

i bet ur not doing eclipse opener silly

[lucid olive]

rose tinted glasses

[fair pasture]

It's fun with starweaver

[meager storm]

boomy is fun in raid

but m+ is just not it idk man

[lucid olive]

m+ is the same only you dont have treants or

play starweaver

starfall on cosmos proc

[lofty depot]

how do u know 👀

[meager storm]

my 275 boomy is already padding

holy

[lofty depot]

padding in pugs so free man

[meager storm]

thats mostly guildies

[sudden pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/kot-cat-uh-huh-reakcja-gif-6504404546294738355

[digital berry]

Padding in heroic

[true viper]

Why dont they give me credit for using my wcl page

These editors nowadays man

[lofty depot]

cuz that looks like a scrub

[true viper]

https://tenor.com/view/spaghetti-spaghettipocket-awk-awkward-fall-gif-5764543

[lofty depot]

🙂

dont u guys private log?

[lucid olive]

i was gonna say its probably noctuss

but it cant be

he has too many 100s

[lofty depot]

p sure its an old picture that they use over and over

[lucid olive]

nah surely not

[vital hound]

im confident its a photoshop

because the 100's alignment doesn't match the row

https://tenor.com/r4Hf.gif

[lucid olive]

it was my manaforge page

anyone else miss doing millions of dam

[jolly delta]

i dont understand

why they keep insisting on squishing the stats

[spice forum]

no

[jolly delta]

first of all, 180k and 1.8M reads the same

second, they squish the stats but in half an expac we get giant numbers again anyways

[dull dust]

I want to go back to doing 10k being insane dmg

we squished for like no reason

[lucid olive]

idk i think we squished to the right amount

this way we'll be ahead of where we were during last season of Last Titan

which is like the finale of the trilogy shit

[dull dust]

we gunna hace to squish again end of xpac

[lucid olive]

so makes sense that's when we're most powerful

and after Last Titan they do lvl squish at the same time

since that would be lvl 100 -> 60 probably

[normal pilot]

there's technical reasons since eventually you'll get overflow

and they've decided that 15% exponential increase is needed per tier

[lucid olive]

gigantic number = bad for server

[lofty depot]

i also prefer not doing 100s of millions of damage :/

[drifting nova]

because they cant balance for shit for one and 2, they think it hides the piss poor balance more

not even 1 patch now has a greater increase in both power than entire xpacs

[jolly delta]

you know what chance

[drifting nova]

it's a chosen path of piss

[normal pilot]

it definitely gets worse with all the extra difficulties, since now they're forced to do 1.15^2 every patch

[drifting nova]

the powerlevel each patch has to significantly go down

[jolly delta]

the truth is that classic is still peak wow

fuck raiding

[drifting nova]

delete lfr, hell delete heroic

[jolly delta]

fuck minigaming

[drifting nova]

heroic basically doesnt exist

norm/myth

tada, done

half as much ilvl bloat

[dull dust]

delete it all

[normal pilot]

i guess it's even worse now since they've started adding player power to the mid-tier patches

[dull dust]

pull the ripcord

[normal pilot]

0.7's gonna have that omnium shit + higher ilevel i think

[drifting nova]

this patch alone is what

100ilvls?

which is real funny

considering the different between 1 ilvl is half a main stat

couldnt even round that up

each item could have half the upgrades cut in half

3 instead of 6

[jolly delta]

isnt higher ilvl next week

[lucid olive]

new raid drops 298 items

thats .7

[drifting nova]

wild I thought the flex raid initially was .1

not a late patch meme raid

mightve had a chance next patch

[lucid olive]

but yes, the ascendant voidcores is next week vinter

but thats just weapons + trinkets

Sporefall raid has other shit

[dull dust]

what the fuck

[lucid olive]

like good stat ring etc

[dull dust]

I gotta regear again

mid patch?

[drifting nova]

its a 1 boss raid no?

[normal pilot]

for now they've planned to cap xpac at ilevel 415

but we'll see if they hold to that

[drifting nova]

illegally high wtf

[lucid olive]

that means Last Titan gonna be like uuuuh, 700 ish?

[drifting nova]

no

stat squish..again

[normal pilot]

no 700 is fine

[drifting nova]

its a repeated problem

[normal pilot]

you can go up to close to 1000 just fine

[lucid olive]

415 end of this expac is like 620 ish Season 1 myth gear next xpac? (making this up)

[drifting nova]

personally I still kinda hate they level squished

stat squish so nubmers look better fine whatever

but the levels were the single thing that didnt ..matter much

in the grand scheme

[normal pilot]

what ilevel does m0 drop?

[drifting nova]

240?

who knows?

[lucid olive]

246 i think

its champ track

246 is 1/? champ track

[drifting nova]

never getting there smh

[drifting nova]

74ilvls

[normal pilot]

hm what about normal raid ilevel

[drifting nova]

why do heroic dungeons exist

can they be made hard again

[lucid olive]

same upgrade track

so 246 -> 263

depending on boss position in raid

[drifting nova]

with the amount of overlapping tracks

it could be another 20-30ilvls if they didnt overlap

which personally think is better

[normal pilot]

oh 263 is the max. what's the max for the new 0.7 raid?

[sudden pawn]

how do u know ascdant void cores are coming

[lofty depot]

298

[lucid olive]

the max in total is 298, idk if it has differing tracks

[sweet igloo]

Sorry if this question has been asked already is 298 upgrades on this weeks reset?

[lofty depot]

well its not this week yet, but tuesday/wednesday

and the plural of that is unknown i think

[lucid olive]

it's supposed to be out after reset yes

[sweet igloo]

Thanks gamz you the best

[lucid olive]

whether it actually releases, or if it releases in a usable state is completely up in the air

[lofty depot]

how is he the best

[jolly delta]

bro im higher on my 255 druid

wake up

[lucid olive]

Looking at PTR, the raid doesn't have tracks but drops items at locked ilvls 259/272/285/298

[drifting nova]

you leech in groups smh

[normal pilot]

They usually make normal == last mythic so add in extra bit for omnium they'll have to make the next tier champ track be 302 or higher

[dull dust]

wtf

bros gapping me casually

[jolly delta]

it's like... all +10s

[dull dust]

nvm i forgot io

im 3k

on my 3rd char

my druid isnt 2k tho

[drifting nova]

I still dont know what half my buttons do as resto

[normal pilot]

Actually hm is omnium supposed to last for the rest of the xpac

[lucid olive]

same way that cyrce circles lasted entire xpac i guess

[dull dust]

make it stop gamz

[jolly delta]

[dull dust]

be the change the community needs

[drifting nova]

cyrces was banging

only item I bad maxed the entire time it was out

[lucid olive]

the Siren Isle patch is probably closest i've been to crashing out and perma quitting

[sudden pawn]

hey what are the best simming powers for the .7 patch

lol

[drifting nova]

why? it was a quick 6hour content drop

got my mounts

now sure it was buggy as shit

but what isnt

[normal pilot]

it's the same system as your normal talent tree so you can just top gear it

[lucid olive]

quests sucked, the island was re-used content, the ring had dogshit powers and it was bugged to all hell

biggest emphasis was that fucking cave you couldn't kill the rare in

[drifting nova]

wdym reused

first time I'd seen it

[lucid olive]

map was from BFA

scrapped island expedition map

[drifting nova]

??

so its not reused

if it was never used

come on now, lock in

[lucid olive]

hey you go here hatin every day

this is my 1 to your hundred thousand

[drifting nova]

thought you were going to say it was an expedition map

actually

not a never was

still need to get mounts from there

[vital hound]

@lucid olive

convoke heroic vorasius

?

[lucid olive]

sure

open your talent page and pick something

starweaver with meteor storm is good if adds don't insta die

[vital hound]

ads will get zooped

[lucid olive]

but also bad if you're killing them before they make it to a wall

[vital hound]

ye

i just wanna OWN

[lucid olive]

starweaver is fun tho and if you high roll you probably do more dam than rattle convoke

[vital hound]

ye i love sw

[lucid olive]

can play starweaver convoke tho

[vital hound]

might shrooms as well

for fun

[lucid olive]

starweaver 1m convoke with meteorites is fun

[normal pilot]

go for max keybind build

kotg shroom foe convoke

[drifting nova]

how would a no apex talent build do

[dense steeple]

howd i do gamz

[lucid olive]

when are u gonna start doing dam

[dense steeple]

when i get into 16s and have to try hard to hit 3400

idk probably when i stop hitting starfall and hit starfire more

my tank scared me

it was a windrunner and we pulled all the horde mobs from outside the building to the 3rd boss

[bleak kiln]

Man, M Vanguard is ass

Reminds me of pre nerf Salhadaar

[lofty depot]

its not anywhere near that

[lucid olive]

yeah thats crazy comms

[dense steeple]

Vanguard is so chill

Like sure theres a lot of moving parts but its such a choreographed dance its not that bad

Shimmy right sashay left

[lucid olive]

And with EC Starweaver you gen so much AP that you can just use your Eclipse to start chain casting spenders while you're dodging, basically feels like a BM hunter

[ripe slate]

@meager storm istg every time I open pika's stream ur in his pug

@lofty depot

[lofty depot]

smh

[ripe slate]

what

i did it this time

[fair pasture]

dont they have to be right before

[ripe slate]

it's macro'd first in the macro before incarn

same thing noctuss does

[lofty depot]

that doesnt matter, you lose damage on the solar bolt

[ripe slate]

what specifically doesn't gain benefit

er, from what*

[lofty depot]

trinket

[ripe slate]

pot looks like it gains benefit fine, so is it vaelgor?

whys vaelgor different

[normal pilot]

it's a scripted trinket

when all 3 get batched together server-side, the trinket buff has 0 value

[drifting nova]

[vital hound]

is it just when stuff is in the same press

aka is human pressing speed ok

So if you pot at .8 seconds and then macro at .9 seconds eg

[normal pilot]

Ya if you press inc after the trinket

[round field]

Thats stupid..

[vital hound]

bless ty

[royal zenith]

damn you got fast fingers @vital hound !!

0.8 and 0.9

[round field]

thats what ur mom told me

oooooooooooooo

[grim mirage]

Anyone can help me figure out what i'm doing wrong on Fallen Salhadar ?
It seems i can't get the play to parse on it ^^
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/hyjal/naskandris

I try to dot big orbs and starfall meanwhile there is 1 orb + boss
Rest of gameplay is standard i guess

[lucid olive]

Don't overly prioritize dotting the mobs

Enter Eclipse in opener before using your cooldowns and build some AP so you have more hard hitting spells available during your cooldowns

Same goes for the average Eclipse cycle, you want to exit your cooldown windows at low amount of AP and enter new one with high amount of AP

Avoid refreshing dots before using cooldowns

Etcetcetc

Can go and read the top 2 tabs in this part of the Compendium guide linked in channel description

Especially the Eclipse one can be useful

[grim mirage]

Ok, so mainly i don't hard switch target unless there is a prio to make if cleave isn't enough to get them down
Do i starfall when there is only 1 big orb and Salhadar or i switch to starsurge ?

[lucid olive]

If you wanna parse then you slam Starfall with Meteor Storm..

But if you want the biggest tip to improve then you should think about how to get better casting uptime

On your last Salhadaar kill you had 10% cancelled casts

And 83% uptime

You also had 4/12 Eclipse windows where you cast only 3 spenders or less

Your Sunfire fell off on the boss halfway thru as well, losing you 4% uptime on that

You lost a full use of FoE

[grim mirage]

Ty 🙂 i'll look into it probably moving to much for nothing in this fight

[grim sundial]

hello, is there any kets where orbit breaker is better than Sundered Firmament ?

ans is the difference big between the two ?

[royal zenith]

kets?

like ketamine or

[craggy sonnet]

Think it's mostly about pairing with weaver (orbit breaker) or rattle (sundered)

For ec

[olive shard]

Where (on warcraftlogs) i can find how many casts i cancel?

[mental badge]

Copy your log into wowanalyzer !

It’ll tell you that plus a lot more

[pseudo merlin]

@royal zenith bro we get a grenade launcher

[void jacinth]

no

[pseudo merlin]

timelines>casts>cancelled spells have a red outline

[pseudo merlin]

you sure?

[void jacinth]

you have a red outline, like valorant cause youre the enemy

[pseudo merlin]

I dont play valorant so that joke doesnt land on me

[void jacinth]

luckily i explained it?

[pseudo merlin]

I'm too stupid to understand

[void jacinth]

you smart

you loyal

[pseudo merlin]

I just went for a drive with a caterpillar on my car's roof

When I got back home it was still there

Actual soldier

I drove fast too

[void jacinth]

have u seen the guy who drives around grocery store parking lots with bananas or something similar on his roof?

[pseudo merlin]

haha what

no

[void jacinth]

he pretends to have forgotten an item from his shopping on his car

then drives around filming everyone screaming "bananas on your car" at him

[pseudo merlin]

LMAO

See that's the kind of pranks we need

Not travelling to a foreign country and assaulting people (vitaly)

[void jacinth]

i hope youve seen vitaly nude

[pseudo merlin]

oh I think so

Like back in the day when he was still funny

like 2010 and before

he was doing pron back then right

[void jacinth]

no like back in the day when he was on bang🚌

oh yes

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

[void jacinth]

i typed instead of reading

mbmb

[pseudo merlin]

thats ok

I forgot he was on the bus but I knew he was in the scene

That dude was amazing and had it all

what the fuck happening

[void jacinth]

he made it to r/cringe top all time before reddit became ad friendly

[pseudo merlin]

damn

I miss old reddit

It used to be based af

[void jacinth]

its gone downhill ever since they banned me

they dont know what they had

i could bait engagement like a mf

[pseudo merlin]

real

[royal zenith]

the shield man

it's epic

[pseudo merlin]

the shield is very epic

but imma be playing grenades AGAIN

[royal zenith]

ye

I do like this angle though, giving uniques like proper skills to have fun with

[pseudo merlin]

yup

[royal zenith]

pure build-enabling and chase

not a stat-stick

[pseudo merlin]

There's already a bunch of them but they're low level

Being able to upgrade them is the real mvp

[royal zenith]

gonna lose myself for another 1k hours just exploring everything

[pseudo merlin]

ye

[livid jay]

i wonder how rare that shield is gonna be

[royal zenith]

not as rare as mageblood

[jade flume]

are we talking about diablo?

[void jacinth]

aint nobody talking to you regardless

go press ebon might

[round field]

diablo very cool

i bought the game on saturday

i have almost 20 hr

[sudden flame]

[jade flume]

yeah diablo is vibes

[round field]

too bad my pc hates it

it runs like complete dogwater

[jade flume]

its like poe but they didnt skip the part about making the game fun to play on g

[round field]

idk that game is like

so fake

it say minium system req

8 gb of ram

when my game eats up 10 the second i boot it up

[pseudo merlin]

not rare

itl just drop at the same rate as other breach boss items

like howa n shit

[livid jay]

pog

[pseudo merlin]

thats not your pc bub

D4 is literal dogshit

[livid jay]

how many hours do u guys have in poe2 so far?

[pseudo merlin]

MY entire system stops functioning when I run it

When I exit D4 my pc crashes

when I teleport to town in D4 my pc freezes

When I teleport to town in D4 sometimes my internet even stops

like

Idk how they fucking coded that shit

[pseudo merlin]

probably a thousand

[livid jay]

probably?

[pseudo merlin]

yea i dont keep track

but i assume so

[livid jay]

steam does

[pseudo merlin]

who uses steam

lmao

[livid jay]

hahaha

probably 95% of the playerbase i would guess

[pseudo merlin]

I fucking hate steam for no reason

[livid jay]

really

crazy

[pseudo merlin]

Always have

Yes

[livid jay]

i like steam

[pseudo merlin]

I really really really hate it

[livid jay]

more than any other launcher thing

[pseudo merlin]

I love everything they do and stand for

But I hate using it

And I have no reason for it

[livid jay]

sure

i recently got into illegaly family sharing with a few friends

[pseudo merlin]

I had a reason like 20 years ago

[livid jay]

we have like 1k games now xD

[pseudo merlin]

And I've been going off of that even though I've long forgotten

[royal zenith]

reported

[pseudo merlin]

ok you're screwed buddy

Piracy in Germany is highly illegal

[livid jay]

i mainly use Playnite for launching games tho instead of steam

[royal zenith]

I dunno how much of a flex having 1k games is

if you can only really play 2 or 3 at the same time

seems like a ton of slop

"Pro Carwasher 3.0"

[livid jay]

of course

[round field]

mine just crashes if i spend 5 minutes in town

[livid jay]

but most of the bangers are in

[round field]

i have to port in talk to tree

port out

port back in vendor my shit

port out

or game go kaboooom

[livid jay]

playnite is pretty cool cause it tracks activity on non steam stuff too

[round field]

whats a playnite

[livid jay]

only problem is i sometimes launch it in battlenet so its kinda wrong for wow xD

[livid jay]

some all in one launcher tracker thingy

[round field]

me when i download bloatware app to use my steam library instead of using my steam library

[sudden flame]

[pseudo merlin]

LMAO

Yeah the game is fucked idk

Does your game perform normally otherwise?

[royal zenith]

I had zero crashes I dunno

[sudden flame]

what the hell is world of warcraft mysteries of azeroth?

[pseudo merlin]

Because I have 0 performance issues in D4

[royal zenith]

and I dont have a god-tier pc

[pseudo merlin]

it's just teleporting/starting up/cclosing down

like 144fps while my whole screen is 100% graphics settings effect spam np

[round field]

it usually runs fine it stuttered a bit the first time i was loading zones and stuff

[livid jay]

[round field]

but its fine otherwise

[royal zenith]

"I have 1000 shared games!"
-> Bongo Cat

[pseudo merlin]

yeah same

[royal zenith]

okaaaayyy

[pseudo merlin]

the game is fucked

[round field]

like if i do a dungeon first time

[livid jay]

turtle wow

[round field]

its a slideshow

and then after its compltely fine

[sudden flame]

[livid jay]

down the drain

[pseudo merlin]

ye

[round field]

like my gf can barely play the game and her pc is basically the same as mine

just intel / nvidia counterpart

[royal zenith]

basically the same -> completely different brands

why do people always talk in hyperboles 😭

[livid jay]

i mean it might be "basically" the same if its same power level but different parts 😄

[royal zenith]

Im baiting iqni

shh...

[tough bobcat]

Heyo! I've played balance on and off for several seasons since SL S1. I usually end up around the 17/18s marker.

I've recently come back to midnight, and I'm considering balance again. From what I can tell it's quite decent, but is that only based on higher keys? Is it any good to climb as, doing 12-15s for a start until I'm properly geared for going for 3.4k?

[livid jay]

[round field]

your bait has no effect on me

[royal zenith]

anything non-meta is hard to climb with

[livid jay]

every class is fine for everything yes

[royal zenith]

the duality

[livid jay]

well yea it might take u longer to get invites but just play your own key or friends keys i guess on a non meta spec

[royal zenith]

you will run into issues of not getting invited around 17s and 18s purely cause of score, ilvl, class or combination of

[tough bobcat]

well "fine" is subjective I guess. Will I struggle to provide enough dmg until mobs live long enough like in previous seasons? Or has the mastery/eclipse change made it easier to actually perform even in "lower" keys

[royal zenith]

You won't struggle damage wise, no

[livid jay]

u can pump even in low keys but some bursty specs just outpump you but then the damage doesnt matter anyways

[tough bobcat]

Yeah I mostly play with friends so that's fine. I just dont want to grief them

[brisk elbow]

absolute noob here - When in Elune M+ build. I cannot seem to get a solar eclipse? for like boss fights? i only get it when i get both via incarnation

[livid jay]

rread the hero talents

[brisk elbow]

ok

[livid jay]

thats the whole "thing" of Elunes chosen

[royal zenith]

You can always check out logs in general, to see what balance's damage is @tough bobcat https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/47?leaderboards=1&bracket=16&class=Druid&spec=Balance

this one is filtered for 17's

[brisk elbow]

lol

[brisk elbow]

Lunar calling - so even in ST i press Starfire

[tough bobcat]

Thanks!

[livid jay]

yess unless you are outside of eclipse and wanna gain some ap before you press it again then you probably just wrath to quickly get that ap

[brisk elbow]

yeah i just thought that

[royal zenith]

Your friends will apply group pressure and force you to play bear/resto though @tough bobcat

hope you are ready for that!!

(a joke, but yeah - they're meta atm)

[tough bobcat]

Haha yeah, I've tanked before so quite likely :D I also played Aug a lot tho so might end up doing that

I just really like druid as a class, but not sure if I want to tank again

[royal zenith]

it seems most groups are swapping to bear rn

can imagine

[tough bobcat]

Indeed

[royal zenith]

just put your foot down

[ruby badger]

Balance is good at all levels of keys, it's not fantastic at any point and some specs outshine it, but you shouldn't have any issues with it (outside of getting pugs to invite you)

[tough bobcat]

Or I just say fuck em and go play volibear in League instead

I do love bears :D

[royal zenith]

[livid jay]

save yourself the mental diseases that come with that

go play druid in poe2 it has bearform too

[tough bobcat]

Haha, nah I play at a high enough rank that I'm mostly free from the worst people, but low enough that It doesnt really matter : D Also chat off so that helps ; )

either way, time to work again. Thanks everyone for the helpful replies!

[brisk elbow]

Sorry - how is it that top logs are using Elune and force of nature ? https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/druid-balance/vorasius?difficulty=heroic

[twin lotus]

logs on most bosses are kinda meme

just mainly check boss damage

but yeah elune can be good on ST

gamz wasnt kidding when he said a ton of builds are viable

[livid jay]

what makes you think they are playing elunes chosen?

[twin lotus]

EC with convoke kinda blasts st

[sick arrow]

how i do a sim for m+ ??

[brisk elbow]

the logs shows

[livid jay]

#1473018731687841853 message

[livid jay]

that is fury of elune, has nothing to do with elunes chosen hero tree

[royal zenith]

click on their name

and see the log

they're playing kotg

[sick arrow]

Thx

[brisk elbow]

aww nevermind. i see now.

[livid jay]

yea theres some keeper builds that also play fury of elune and they are decent in aoe pad like u can do on vorasius

[livid jay]

👍🏻

[ruby badger]

You take it for the AP gen typically not the AoE pad

it doesn't do great damage on AoE

[livid jay]

yes

[royal zenith]

supposedly good for stacked AOE

[brisk elbow]

what am i dropping for it tho?

[royal zenith]

but @craggy sonnet never actually simmed it

[brisk elbow]

Fae?

[royal zenith]

Umbral's Embrace

[ruby badger]

you can drop it and play the the bottom left talent that looks like a blue moonkin

[royal zenith]

show your build that you run rn

[ruby badger]

I forgor the name

I think its umbral embrace

[royal zenith]

bro's just repeating everything being said

gg's

[brisk elbow]

aww yes ok thanks

[delicate perch]

bro's just repeating everything being said

[royal zenith]

[brisk elbow]

Would appear any add/pad fight, youll taking this above variation to wowhead build.

1st boss 2nd boss use this variation. - trying to match builds with logs....dont want to enter the flght and be in the wrong build for reminders xD

I am rerolling to boomkin from fury warrior....

[livid jay]

honestly just go to warcraftlogs and look at some of the top logs and copy their builds:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/46?boss=3176&class=Druid&spec=Balance
Then you can use a talentmanager addon like talent loadouts ex to have loadouts for each boss or for groups of bosses where u would play the same

be aware that most of the fights have some cringe adds that u can pad on tho

so a lot of top logs will just be pad, swap to boss damage depending on the fight if u wanna be helpful

can also use archon to get a breakdown of alternative builds for each boss
https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/balance/druid/raid/talents/mythic/imperator#alternative-talents

[sudden flame]

[brisk elbow]

This alot of builds. On fury warrior - we just use 1 thane build for all bosses xD

One more question: Is there a workable macro to join: Force, Elune and Eclipse together?

[dense steeple]

No

[delicate perch]

[fossil hemlock]

I assume the one button rotation casts all 3

(please don't do it)

[ruby badger]

Does obr actually cast eclipse?

Does it not count as a damage CD?

[dense steeple]

I dont think it does but I could be wrong

[ruby badger]

or is it only the assisted highlight that leaves out CDs

[dense steeple]

Regardless

Hes asking to slam 2.5 gcds in a macro

[fossil hemlock]

It's only major CDs it doesn't do AFAIK, which would be CA

[brisk elbow]

lol

[lofty depot]

U can use 1 keeper build for all bosses too. You dont need to be in the most paddy degen build to do damage

I'd gander u would do more damage not doing so aswell, just as a coggy load problem

[brisk elbow]

Yeah ok thanks.

I had one question on m+ elune build. In ST boss fights should I use starfall or starsurge? Doesn't starfall procs increase damage or something?

[lofty depot]

If ur playing starweaver u use Starfall procs

But ur spending asp on surges

Cosmos on starfall, and weaver procs as they go

[jolly delta]

did blizzard change something recently when it comes to ayije cdm tracking dots

or am I doing something wrong

[lofty depot]

Unless gamz having the same issue, and is gonna trouble shoot it for u, better to ask in his discord no?

[jolly delta]

even importing gamz's profile

also breaks

[pallid bay]

it says

Ayije_CDM

in the error

did u try disabling it

[jolly delta]

am i being trolled or

[sudden flame]

[jolly delta]

ok for some reason reloading for the 19th time fixed it

[royal zenith]

glad you're self-sufficient vinter

you will get there some day

[jolly delta]

it broke again as soon as i shifted to cat

[normal pilot]

maybe some weird edge case ayije fucks up on

altho idk if the taint tracing is actually trustworthy these days

[stone sphinx]

I all, new druid here.
I've leveled as Guardian but want to play boomkin, so I found out that survivability drop down a lot. Any advice on how to keep my hp lively while roaming for prey and invasion? (i'm fresh 90, don't care too much on fast upgrade equip or else, just want to give it a try, but it's really hard as a melee tank/dps player)

[weary drum]

sorry for the noob question but what does boomy use heart of the wild for?

[royal zenith]

If you roam / do open world content as boomkin, your only option is to kite

and outdamage

don't take hits

that's basically it

else just do the content as bear/feral

[lucid olive]

30% extra HP if you use it in bear

[royal zenith]

when are you progging again gamz?

or echoes is

[lucid olive]

We raid at 8pm tonight if that's what you mean

[weary drum]

ah so its a defensive booster more or less

[lucid olive]

Yes it's a defensive talent

It's off gcd as well so you can use it during your Stampeding Roar or Incap Roar globals

[royal zenith]

yes

[lucid olive]

Actually never tested this, but since HOTW is off gcd, does casting Wrath with Fluid Form and queueing HOTW rip the Wild Growth from noform and then shift you back in same global?

[weary drum]

thank you very much!

[normal pilot]

as long as you manual the hotw

if you macro hotw+wrath from bear it'll prolly hp buff you

[weary drum]

wrath is to get back into owl right?

[normal pilot]

or just fail. idk

[weary drum]

from the fuid form talent

[normal pilot]

they fucked up fluid form to moonkin. if you wrath you unshift at the start and only shift in at the end of cast

[lucid olive]

Yes

[lucid olive]

Yeah that's what I mean with doing HOTW at the end of the cast

Wonder if the Fluid Form shift comes after if you press HOTW as it ends

[normal pilot]

it's long enough for server to sync so it should cast wg in the middle

[jolly delta]

ye no idea its completely broken

and I tried disabling all other addons and leaving acdm only

still breaks

what are good alternatives? bcdm?

[proven rapids]

Yeah it's weird

[dense steeple]

Is it fucked up or just a shitty implementation, you decide

[lucid olive]

Skiron cooldownmanager

Use the alpha branch through wowup

I'm probably swapping to that after prog is over

[proven rapids]

Is there a better self healing option than Convocation and Regrowth without switching out of moonkin form?

[lucid olive]

Only CDM add-on I could find that lets you put Buffs in the essential viewer

Regrowth

[proven rapids]

Regrowth yeah

That's the one I meant

[lucid olive]

Then no

[proven rapids]

Rip

[lucid olive]

You have 2 random healing procs that activate at low HP but you're not in control of those

[proven rapids]

My two mains are a death knight and a druid and after playing my DK the entire time of midnight so far I'm struggling with less self healing

[lucid olive]

Knowing when to shift into Bear defensively is part of learning moonkin

[proven rapids]

I suppose frenzied regeneration helps

[lucid olive]

Which mechanics can you live natty, which do you have to bear and which can you live with just Barkskin etc

[lofty depot]

DK players when they have to worry about taking damage

[proven rapids]

True yeah

The stereotypes are all real

[lofty depot]

Never have to do mechanics, never have to take damage

But yea bear and hotw, keep u safe surely

[proven rapids]

I'm trying to stick with balance and not just level through bear form

[lofty depot]

Level as bear ezpz

Just run around and thrash

[proven rapids]

I don't wanna 😞

[proven rapids]

Does hotw work in moonkin form? I suppose it does the wording is just a little confusing to me

[lofty depot]

Can run around a sboomkin, just more kiting

[exotic perch]

love watching dks 'limit test'

[lofty depot]

Can use taunt trees

[exotic perch]

i.e. just eat a mechanic and die

[proven rapids]

Oh yeah I've been doing that

[lofty depot]

It's wild growth but swaps u human

[proven rapids]

Trees plus hurricane plus wild charge

[lofty depot]

Hurricane......

[proven rapids]

Ah, yeah.

[proven rapids]

I'm bad at names

[lofty depot]

This guy playing a different game or

[proven rapids]

The one that pushes enemies away from you

[lofty depot]

Hurricane.... typhoon
.. what's the diffy

[proven rapids]

The difference is largely what hemisphere it's in

[lofty depot]

Smh, we used to have hurricane tho

[proven rapids]

I'm definitely not playing a meta build

[lofty depot]

Ur leveling

[proven rapids]

But that's okay I'm simply having fun

[lofty depot]

There's not a meta build

Go run down some time walking dungeons surely

[proven rapids]

All I know is that nobody will pry Fury of Elune from my hot bar

[lofty depot]

My sweet summer child

[unborn perch]

are balance druids technically Elune Warlocks

[lofty depot]

No

[proven rapids]

Permanent tree pet when

[unborn perch]

celestial patron!

[lofty depot]

We're not a pet class

[proven rapids]

Every class should be a pet class.
Druids can get treants.

[lofty depot]

Treants aren't pets

[unborn perch]

my D&D nerdiness is creeping in

[proven rapids]

Warriors can get a squire that follows them around

[lofty depot]

Warriors need a squire cuz they have no friends

[proven rapids]

True yeah

[craggy sonnet]

bcdm project is deadge. can prolly also try getting familiar with eqol

[proven rapids]

Druids have their friends, it's their 3-4 treants they summon!

[lofty depot]

Bcdm work fine

[lofty depot]

U forgot about my cats

[lucid olive]

Unhalted stopped working on it

[lofty depot]

And my dogs

[lucid olive]

it'll break whenever API changes again and not get fixed

[craggy sonnet]

and its also pretty behind on features

[lofty depot]

When api change

[lucid olive]

Unhalted is working with Permok on Skiron CDM instead

[lofty depot]

So I am gonna have to swap to skiron

Fricc

[lucid olive]

it's a good addon

[lofty depot]

Yea but it requires me edit my ui

[proven rapids]

I always forget people use those tools.
I simply forget and miss my cooldowns as Elune intended

[lofty depot]

....

Show ui

[lucid olive]

Skiron lets you place CDM icons on a custom frame so you have a bit more freedom with what icons goes where

it just takes a bit to set up

[proven rapids]

I'm still not sure where to put all my abilities. I've got Sunfire and moon fire on my shoulder buttons so I can hit them while moving easily but idk.

[lofty depot]

Yea, I just need gamz to set it up then rip it from wago

Shoulder..... Buttons?1?1!?1?1?

[craggy sonnet]

sorry, can only get it as part of GamzUI now

[lofty depot]

The fuck that mean

[lucid olive]

i'm probably changing sometime after prog

[lucid olive]

GamzUI addon doesn't have CDM features

[lofty depot]

Are they api changing anything in 0.7

[craggy sonnet]

wait until big bro claude adds it for you. ez

yes. but probably not cdm related

[proven rapids]

.....they're usually defined as L1 and R1 as opposed to L2 and R2, which are triggers?

[lucid olive]

nah thats way too much of a headache to even try 💀

[lofty depot]

CONTROLLER

[proven rapids]

Yes

[lucid olive]

L1 and R1 are bumper buttons

[lofty depot]

we strayed too far

[lucid olive]

its why xbox calls it LB and RB

[proven rapids]

Shoulder and bumpers are the same thing

[lofty depot]

They're not

[lucid olive]

controller is based

[lofty depot]

There's a button layout called Bumper Jumper

[proven rapids]

I play on my steam deck

[lofty depot]

Please locken

[craggy sonnet]

you could also just include a profile import or something in the addon or whatever

and still download skiron separately

[lucid olive]

yeah could probably do that

[proven rapids]

Different words that all mean the same thing, really

[lucid olive]

don't think I will