I always saw you as my teacher, and now you're bullying me
#balance
lofty depot
i told gm it should just be parallax
eager raft
they wanna be anvil gaming so bad
lofty depot
I always saw you as my teacher, and now you're bullying me
gotta break the building down to build it back better
exotic perch
Yeah adding the gaming makes it feel awful
lofty depot
mmhm mmhm
exotic perch
My guild is 19 years old so its a classic name at this point
fiery kindle
The pupil outshines the master
lofty depot
have u heard the story of darth plagueis the wise
fiery kindle
It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you
half quartz
❓
lucid olive
someone was posting bitcoin scam
i pinged mod
removed the ping, probably shouldnt have
mental badge
Hey! New boomy here! Someone put me onto this discord as a potential place for a feedback oriented roasting of my ass mythic+ logs lol would this be the channel for that?
calm ibex
Yes
mental badge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/56170767
Heres my character! lol backstory - have played wow mad casually just to kill time for years, but only just started boomy seriously this xpac. Ive been improving with KoG each week in raid - and my overall parse for mythic + is usually good (which I know isnt helpful) but my key% with EC build I cannot figure out for the life of me
Been reading the forums, trying to improve uptime on eclipses and whatnot - ilvl is good but im underpreforming hard
lofty depot
uptime on eclipse isnt actually how u focus that
its about correctly doing damage in eclipse
and effectively using cds to do sad damage
its not about having 100% uptime on eclipse (which u cant)
mental badge
right ok, i saw 65-75% is the ideal range - I know i cap a lot more on AP than I should, usually while applying DOTS
lofty depot
fix ur raid problem first cuz i care about it more
actaully correct opener, but u potted after ca and took 2 seconds to do it
u also should just macro ur trinket to ca if ur gonna forget about it
u should only be ca with trees
generally at 30/45/1m when its back up
specifically in this log vorasius, ur holding it til 1m for adds cuz pad gang
lucid olive
keep going in the vorasius log you see what the problem is
lofty depot
which comes to the next thing
mental badge
yah that is a keybind fuck up lol
lofty depot
is that were just running around for fun
and dotting
ur essentially afk
same ca thing here
u press it with ur other cds
otherwise were just not doing damage
which was 20 seconds later
yea idk ur outside of eclipse spamming starfire
kk pick a key
kk hge safk skyreach it is
idk why we went from foe trees ca in raid
to pressing it in incarn now :/
still potting and trinketing in multiple globals
i prefer not incarning 2nd pull cuz theres a far bigger one on hte platform
holy shit were rich
mental badge
hahah we were rich
mental badge
no idea lol this is where we are at. I think I read the guides and then go rogue in game
jolly delta
hahah we *were* rich
using a rune to afk 15% of the fight
lofty depot
no where in the ec guide does it say to wrath let alone wrath in incarn
it feels like ur pressing incarn for fun
like u "need" to press it
you have 2 minutes to press it before it becomes a problem
why we wasting time, get in eclipse
mental badge
no where in the ec guide does it say to wrath let alone wrath in incarn
Yah, no i think this is me getting confused because i read somewhere to use wrath outside of eclipse (assuming because cast time is slower) - otherwise question about wrath - in EC i have been casting that on bosses when in Incarn to get faster casts in - fine ? because dual eclipses?
lofty depot
thats not fine no
mental badge
that is shifting bear to stay up and trying to at least do some dps while shifted
lofty depot
that is shifting bear to stay up and trying to at least do some dps while shifte...
why not just shift back
delicate perch
thats not fine no
delicate perch
It does actually
craggy sonnet
Yah, no i think this is me getting confused because i read somewhere to use wrat...
you only wrath in ST outside of eclipse
delicate perch
Wait he actually pressed mangle
lofty depot
bro ur tank is fragile or
why are we puling 4 mobs
1.... why r we sending a surge when we know were gonna incarn in 2 seconds
2 we do not dashhhhhhhhhhhhhh EVER IN INCARN
press wildcharge
which u didnt press once
drifting nova
1.... why r we sending a surge when we know were gonna incarn in 2 seconds
maybe didnt know
easiest reason
lofty depot
mental badge
yah movement has been an issue for me - and def didnt know. I dont know much lol I really only started playing any serious content in april - so this is helpful
lofty depot
yeayeayea
seem to be canceling a lot during boss fights
need to be pooling asp for movement
granted a little harder with rattle vs weaver
mental badge
So some big take aways then and questions
- Hold Incarn, line it up with other CD's (particularly treees in KOG) otherwise just eclipse (to your earlier comment i do press it becasue i think i have to , my understanding was send it if you have it, especially if 2 charges)
- Pot BEFORE incarn, not after
- Get on the trinket game with a Macro
- stop with the wrath in EC entirely
- stop any sort of use of spenders outside of eclipse unless cap
QUESTION:
- The running around dotting as AFK, my understanding was i just dot the fuck out of everything before other spells - no? should i mix in other stuff.. I also end up capped AP
mental badge
granted a little harder with rattle vs weaver
Yah, i actually just changed that talent a second ago during this roast 😂
lofty depot
the first part isnt particular to keeper, u do it in ec as well
mental badge
cancelling is because of mechanics. Movement and being in the wrong place
lofty depot
u want to have foe for your incarns
lucid olive
So some big take aways then and questions
- Hold Incarn, line it up with other ...
"Dotting as AFK" basically just means you're not maintaining your casting uptime well enough
mental badge
ok
lofty depot
potting before incarn is a minmaxy thing. i would prefer if u didnt spend a global thinking about it tho
mental badge
"Dotting as AFK" basically just means you're not maintaining your casting uptime...
so like instead of dotting evvvvvverything, i should cycle in a cast here and there? Sorry i dont understand this
lofty depot
no
it means that u werent prepared for the movement that you just did
dotting is better than nothing
lucid olive
ok
#balance message I answered someone earlier about how to better manage your uptime, you can probably read that (theres another comment a bit below it as well)
lofty depot
but its not the best thing
you should be using spenders to move along with covering distance with wildcharge
mental badge
potting before incarn is a minmaxy thing. i would prefer if u didnt spend a glob...
yah its usually a I forgot thing - idk if anyone here golfs.. but this feels like when you try to fix your golf swing so you change EVERYTHING so you kind of get lost in it
mental badge
https://discord.com/channels/114145367322394624/121880895211831302/1499851874050...
thank you
lofty depot
thats just a sequecing thing either learning the sequencing and not being familiar with it and or being practiced on it
doing something 2 times on a sunday vs me living online :/
mental badge
haha yah I don't get on as much as I'd like but I'd like to improve, so this is helpful. Anything else? I think i just gotta get the reps in, try and chill out and line up CDs and be a bit more proactive on movement (that earlier comment link helped a lot too thank you)
and the cat thing lol that is just fat fingers haha it happens far too frequently
lucid olive
could be a keybind issue
we don't really recommend any keybinds since everyone is different, but there are definitely some good rules to follow there as well
you want to be able to press most stuff while you're moving
lofty depot
ill recommend keybinds
drifting nova
tilde best keybind
lucid olive
I played with Starfall on F4 when I started playing and that became really difficult for movement
and was changed very quickly
drifting nova
you what
lofty depot
sometimes i have no will to live anymore and i dont know what i fight for but when im ready to give up i remember that at least im not arguing keybinds in the druid discord so im not at rock bottom yet
lucid olive
I played with F3 for Starsurge for an entire expansion though
lofty depot
have u considered going to the doctor?
lofty depot
did u change the order of the icons on the opener?
dull dust
whats an arrow
drifting nova
got that arrow energy
dull dust
does that even mean
jolly delta
did u change the order of the icons on the opener?
the order is fine they're just not showing up and
no
lofty depot
the order is fine they're just not showing up and
they be showing
starfire there seems funny
jolly delta
they be showing
then idk what the fuck happened
I hate technology
Even at work it's always "go fix that thing"
drifting nova
Damn someone fucked the vc timer
the war is over no?
mighty mica
Damn someone fucked the vc timer
discord had a full server outage
jolly delta
And then I go check and there's nothing to fix
lofty depot
the order dork
jolly delta
<Timeline spellIds={[5176, 5176, 5176, 8921, 93402, 202770, 194153, 194223, 78674, 78674, 78674, 391528 ]}/>
lofty depot
discord had a full server outage
oh was that why the big one got fucked
it was like 5100 or something
jolly delta
idk what Gamz wanted to put in there
loud kettle
Who cares about gamz
lofty depot
Makes me upset
i was hoping someone fucked it up
loud kettle
Dude writes the wowhead guide hes dead to me
lofty depot
unforch
loud kettle
Nah im kidding gamz is ok...
jolly delta
gamz stole my art for his wowhead profile pic.....
loud kettle
gamz stole my art for his wowhead profile pic.....
ok nvm we hate @lucid olive for real
jolly delta
gamz stole my art for his wowhead profile pic.....
I can't even imagine how many compliments he has received because of it 
lucid olive
gamz stole my art for his wowhead profile pic.....
it was the only file on my PC i could use
jolly delta
(and lets not talk about the buymeacoffe bg smh)
lofty depot
Next gamz is gonna make his own website
lucid olive
(and lets not talk about the buymeacoffe bg smh)
oh you havent seen my twitch then
lofty depot
He stole his UI
jolly delta
also cant tell me that picture isnt ai
To be clear, I absolutely don't care in the slightest and on the contrary it's nice that someone likes the things I do
lucid olive
To be clear, I absolutely don't care in the slightest and on the contrary it's n...
yeah I know you don't mind
if I thought you'd be against it I wouldn't have done it innit
jolly delta
also cant tell me that picture isnt ai
But the paw was made from a shitty drawing made by me passed through ai, and then edited with ps
To add borders background fix colors etc
lucid olive
also somewhat like that DG aesthetic with amirdrassil
this one
think the colors are cozy
jolly delta
yee
I wish dg.gg had an overall branding more similar to this
rather than being dark theme discord
lofty depot
If only someone could change it
lofty depot
Go find someone on fivr or
loud kettle
Perfect
lucid olive
<@&114146878353833984>
loud kettle
Check that cord
loud kettle
Hope u got in before mods deleted it vinter
jolly delta
If only someone could change it
bro I'm a software engineer, anything creative you see coming out of me is constantly an accident
lofty depot
There was some ads on dg before.. no pron tho
loud kettle
Gamz the rat
lofty depot
The ads were creative
jolly delta
Gamz the rat
no he did the correct thing... we need secret discords for us
and the only way to keep them secret is to gatekeep and delete the invites
jolly delta
The ads were creative
no yeah I'm a bit exaggerating here I guess. I think my design skills are fine/at times good, but they're just me randomly trying things out
I think we need a real web designer to contribute
craggy sonnet
claude is such cool dude
drifting nova
is it claude or claude?
jolly delta
claude can be a web designer if you let him
not good enough yet imho
drifting nova
I dont speak french
craggy sonnet
doesnt even ask for much in return
jolly delta
is it claude or claude?
it's Claudio
dull dust
is it claude or claude?
I hate how I read this 2 diff ways
drifting nova
it's Claudio
I think he's stop managing
craggy sonnet
I hate how I read this 2 diff ways
but how did you read it
drifting nova
I hate how I read this 2 diff ways
mage brain
dull dust
cl oade and cl odd
drifting nova
cl oade and cl odd
needs more welsh
dull dust
how do u say it
jolly delta
one of the things I can do less
dull dust
wt f
jolly delta
unless I can pass it for avant-garde
drifting nova
how do u say it
cloud, like your brain
loud kettle
cl-aa-ew-dee
drifting nova
clawd
dull dust
cl-aa-ew-dee
claudy
loud kettle
With a chance of meatballs
drifting nova
it rhymes with your chicken gameplay
dull dust
dull dust
it rhymes with your chicken gameplay
cant rhyme with nothing
drifting nova
fraud
dull dust
drifting nova
dull dust
I've been on hpala and outlaw the whole patch
drifting nova
so you're a bench main?
dull dust
not raiding this patch
jolly delta
btw guess who's getting a guild next wednesday
dull dust
this raid blows ass
ripe slate
drifting nova
btw guess who's getting a guild next wednesday
oooo meee
dull dust
joining a aotc are we
drifting nova
aotc is tough work
jolly delta
this might be the tier where I finally
close my eyes
stop complaining
and just
get CE like a normal person
or at least, this might be the tier if they nerf lura
jolly delta
joining a aotc are we
they're on ||paladins||
dull dust
they're on ||paladins||
that does not sound like a we will get ce kinda guild my guy
lofty depot
Why not just steal from your gas station
jolly delta
that does not sound like a we will get ce kinda guild my guy
meh, I think you overestimate the requirements
it's wr1000-ish
hot dagger
ok y'all. I came back to WoW after like 10 years. I love being a Moonkin. However, I am very bad. I've tried to look at rotations, and I'm still very bad lol.
Any resources you recommend?
jolly delta
ok y'all. I came back to WoW after like 10 years. I love being a Moonkin. Howeve...
wowhead, dreamgrove.gg
jolly delta
and they are stuck on nk
nk?
dull dust
nexus king
lofty depot
10 years, smh u were free
jolly delta
dull dust
I guess its fallen king
dull dust
dull dust
mb bro dont raid
jolly delta
nexus king
so this is the state of balance tc...
dull dust
raiding is for smucks
sudden flame
wtf
jolly delta
salhadar and paladins
sudden flame
thats literally heresy
dull dust
gamz is on lura
jolly delta
lofty depot
thats literally heresy
He was a mage and now a boomkin
Now he thinks raiding is for schmucka
jolly delta
raiding is for smucks
but so is m+ so what do you do
lofty depot
Soon he'll quit
lofty depot
Like Teletubbies online
dull dust
do i try get into another guipd
guild
might try healing a tier
I have no logs trust me bro
lofty depot
Try boomkin for a tier wtf
dull dust
lofty depot
Ezpz motw buff
dull dust
id play feral sooner
lofty depot
What
dull dust
dull dust
fuck knows
lofty depot
....
jolly delta
like did you just spin a wheel and went like "mmmm today I will contribute to the APL of a random class"
dull dust
well arctic solicited me
lofty depot
Someone dm'd him
dull dust
sorta
hot dagger
any youtube videos?
dull dust
Someone dm'd him
hi someone
jolly delta
any youtube videos?
videos become outdated really quickly so we usually do not recommend them
lofty depot
any youtube videos?
YouTube probably has some
lofty depot
hi someone
Oh someone dm'd porom. And then he left me on read (again) and then u didn't
dull dust
porom suggested i help u guys
lofty depot
That's cuz he hates u
dull dust
then a month later he called me a boomkin
ive never been so insulted
got girl bossed by porom
lofty depot
U are orange
dull dust
true
lofty depot
Wonder if that's the fastest timeline to orange
dull dust
probably
lucid olive
porom called simcode slop
dull dust
I think i had like sub 1000 msges in here before that
jolly delta
Wonder if that's the fastest timeline to orange
I still wonder how that happened tbf
dull dust
porom called simcode slop
he like half reacted it iirc
lofty depot
Help with things get it
lucid olive
I still wonder how that happened tbf
tettles seeing how much clankz and chancel contributed in TC and he was on the ball tbh
lofty depot
Weird I log reviewed saying wrong opener forever and got it
jolly delta
he like half reacted it iirc
no well the timeline is that he said he thought it was slop
then he tried it
lucid olive
and then he was convinced it was slop
dull dust
write apl in notepad
jolly delta
and finally said it was a good tool
dull dust
demons
jolly delta
very useful
lofty depot
Well th mage apl is 4 words
dull dust
our apl could've been 4 words
lucid olive
people number chasing innit
dull dust
just popup yellow banner "sorry wrong spec bro"
loud kettle
"Will Never Be Implemented"
jolly delta
lucid olive
can sim 105k with very basic and short APL
jolly delta
btw speaking of
dull dust
whats a ide
jolly delta
@dull dust
jolly delta
whats a ide
vscode
jolly delta
<@241331846338576387>
A couple of days ago I argued / got gaslit by discord on when to use ray
dull dust
lucid olive
Now gamz is countering what I said but doing the opposite side
but you can sim 112k with intricate APL
and people love number chasing
dull dust
I saw
jolly delta
Idk if you saw the question but
lucid olive
so 105k APL not acceptable for people even if it's very basic
jolly delta
ok and Seph was like "well just use the APL prio"
lofty depot
but you can sim 112k with intricate APL
I liked doing fun 30s sims
dull dust
septh
lofty depot
Me learn
jolly delta
And the APL prio is literally +=/freezing_ray
dull dust
lofty depot
But the 105k sim is acceptable to many
lucid olive
is that mage kekkers
jolly delta
Now, they might be right and all
dull dust
they have a weird ahh opener
jolly delta
But
lofty depot
The degens just keep writing tho
dull dust
is that mage kekkers
closer to mage arctic
jolly delta
Do you know by chance how much of that was even tested/optimized?
normal pilot
arkktik?
loud kettle
lost arktik
dull dust
ik when I tried to edit the frost apl
lofty depot
I will not be slandered
lofty depot
I did that in manaforge lol
dull dust
jolly delta
yes I can believe that
lofty depot
Frost bolt spam ezpz
jolly delta
sounds about right
loud kettle
Unlikely, mage is super difficult
normal pilot
sounds like BFA balance
lofty depot
That whole apl was 1/3 the size of the whirling condition
dull dust
lucid olive
you can fit 400 frost APLs into Clankz variables
dull dust
arcanes is bigger apl
jolly delta
is there even still a complex dps left in the game?
lofty depot
loud kettle
You can always make the apl file longer
lucid olive
its probably the most complex dps yeah
loud kettle
I would know
dull dust
game is shit
lucid olive
too many procs to react on
dull dust
outlaw is like a decent one for melee
lucid olive
10 different builds you can play
with different conditions for how to spend all your procs you have to react to
dull dust
not complex per say just fast enough the small decisions are hard to make consistent
lucid olive
but its important to mark the distinction between complexity and difficulty
something can be complex but not difficult, and difficult but not complex
lofty depot
What's the difference on rattle vs weaver right now
lucid olive
something that's difficult but not complex in recent memory is like proper snapshotting Feral when it had Bloodtalons and Thrash and BRS or whatever
jolly delta
what procs are we talking about?
lofty depot
Weaver and cosmos
jolly delta
they're all just "press the spender when it's lit up"
lucid olive
what procs are we talking about?
real
lofty depot
Well u can do that...
But u could also gain 0.5% doing it better
dull dust
bro cant just throw the starfall line likd that
lofty depot
Or doing. It didferently
And that's complex
U could play rattle and just spam surge prob
Less complex
dull dust
ive lost the plot
lucid olive
something that did a bit of both with complexity and difficulty was the Dryad tier set tbh
jolly delta
Idk sure, I guess my definition of complex is different than yours
lucid olive
but it was complexity for all the wrong reasons
lofty depot
There was really only 1 fight u did fun stuff on
lucid olive
Idk sure, I guess my definition of complex is different than yours
thats why i think its important to differentiate between complexity and difficulty
jolly delta
Like having 10 different talents that do not change anything and just represent a 0.2% gain/loss on using Starfire vs starsurge
Is neither difficult not complex
It's just a byproduct of involuntary sim-based game "design"
lucid olive
knowing when its okay to hold an Eclipse and when it's not okay to hold an Eclipse, which proc of Cosmos you Starfall on and under which talent conditions you do it etc etc
jolly delta
Ok let me rephrase the question then
lucid olive
complexity afaik is trying to understand something that has a lot of moving and connected parts that are difficult to explain
jolly delta
Is there any spec in the game that still has a semblance of a complex design?
lucid olive
you know i'm just gonna say balance druid to that as well
define what complex design is
jolly delta
```actions.kotg_st+=/starfall,if=(talent.starweaver&(talent.meteorites&(talent.i...
In the sense that clearly this is not what the spec designers had in mind when designing the spec
lucid olive
i would argue the whole starweaver gameplay loop is complex
even tho the actual gameplay is just reacting to buttons
drifting nova
see button light up
dull dust
Hold up
drifting nova
press it
jolly delta
Huh?
lucid olive
yeah i dont think any class dev sits down and intends for something to be complex
dull dust
at this point if its complex its a accident
lucid olive
+1
lofty depot
Is there any spec in the game that still has a semblance of a complex design?
i think the double charges of eclipse and ca confuse people
but is part of why i like the spec
jolly delta
yeah i dont think any class dev sits down and intends for something to be comple...
Well I would disagree
Or rather, I'm wouldn't be so sure that's the case
lucid olive
i am pretty confident you'd be wrong
at least for current retail WoW
maybe in the past
Midnight class design was built around their "combat for everyone" philosophy
aint no way any class dev gonna sit down and purposefully make something more difficult to understand
jolly delta
I can realistically see a world where the specs are designed to capture a somewhat wide complexity distribution
lucid olive
maybe in 15.0
lofty depot
how else would i be playing my spec
jolly delta
And whoever is overseeing the design decisions has the decision to say "hey we have too many simple specs"
lofty depot
the cds line up every minute
drifting nova
so now every spec is simple?
jolly delta
Like, BM hunter has consistently been the easiest spec in the game for ages
And it's not a coincidence
I'd bet my ass it's a conscious decision
normal pilot
they don't really have that kind of oversight
proper badge
arcane used to be the hard spec
high risk high reward
drifting nova
they dont have the brain power
proper badge
so much funs
lucid olive
Like, BM hunter has consistently been the easiest spec in the game for ages
difficulty =/= complexity
jolly delta
difficulty =/= complexity
sure, also the most simple
normal pilot
there definitely are individual devs who just make shit as they want and don't care what ion/etc. says on an interview
jolly delta
pet play has generally always been the easiest
that's just not true, see demo warlock
normal pilot
and some devs welcome it if they happen to make a spec more complex than intended
drifting nova
that's just not true, see demo warlock
oh please, demo is the rung above bm
normal pilot
it's supposed to be streamlined in midnight, sure, but you can't really hold that every dev actually follows thru
or even agrees
jolly delta
define what complex design is
anyways probably something like feral
maybe uhh legion feral?
lucid olive
surely not midnight feral
proper badge
anyways probably something like feral
used to be complex, now its just weird lol
drifting nova
combo points in general have almost always been top of my list
proper badge
maybe uhh legion feral?
yeeee
drifting nova
but maybe i'm dumb so
jolly delta
surely not midnight feral
no clearly not lmao
normal pilot
well that kind of points out to the issue
brutal slash was the opposite of complex and required no mastery at all
but ppl loved it
proper badge
brutal slash was the opposite of complex and required no mastery at all
yeee, just spam 3 times n top dps
u could tell good kitty vs regular kitty
jolly delta
feral not only was hard to execute properly but the whole snapshotting component was complex by design
sudden flame
now i press my abilities in raid and they do no damage 
lofty depot
ur in raid?
jolly delta
someone sat down at a desk and decided to make those dots snapshot
lofty depot
i thought we were benching ferals
jolly delta
while for boomie well, I'd guess that the intention often was (and is): starfall in aoe, starsurge in st
normal pilot
that's ages ago tho and several dev attritions away
you can't really compare anything pre-SL to post-SL
lofty depot
while for boomie well, I'd guess that the intention often was (and is): starfall...
yea expect im pressing starfall in st now
sudden flame
normal pilot
and even post SL there were lot of stuff lingering around
lofty depot
and u were pressing it in st before
lucid olive
Starfall in ST is lit
jolly delta
that's ages ago tho and several dev attritions away
yeah sure, I was just providing an example as to what I think is a design complexity and what isn't
normal pilot
tww is prolly when they really started trying to change some stuff
oh ya feral was purposefully done cuz they did that kind of stuff back then
proper badge
someone sat down at a desk and decided to make those dots snapshot
jesus, one would think they learned from vanilla lol
jolly delta
you can't really compare anything pre-SL to post-SL
uhh I think maybe sub rogue or breath frost DK come to mind
normal pilot
i think now ppl tend to attribute intent to just happenstance as they franctically tryign to piece together stuff left behind
jolly delta
but no yeah I agree
lucid olive
i think now ppl tend to attribute intent to just happenstance as they franctical...
yeah this is very true
jolly delta
but I was nonetheless curious to know if all the class were gutted or not
normal pilot
that brain drain after al lthe harrassment firing/quitting hit them so hard
gonna take decade + to recover if ever
jolly delta
e.g. i think that in the healing sphere resto/pres are still holding up
lucid olive
the "don't attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" saying is relevant for how people react to class design
jolly delta
true but in this case I'm fairly convinced that "make everything easy and simple" was a corporate decision
normal pilot
ya for sure
there are prolly some devs still kicking and screaming and tryign to resist
drifting nova
cute thinking theres multiple devs, period
normal pilot
but eventually can't beat corporate
lucid olive
there are prolly some devs still kicking and screaming and tryign to resist
those get promoted
or fired
either or
the revolving door keeps going
drifting nova
promoted for resisting the overarching mandate?
normal pilot
the managers quit and they gotta promote someone and so they pick the loudest guy thinking he's the hardest worker
jolly delta
It's sad that no other similar game came close to wow class design
and now we're kinda losing it
dull dust
yep
drifting nova
helps that no real mmos have released the past decade
jolly delta
like, e.g. fellowship did so many things right
normal pilot
it's hard to really evaluate wow class design since so much of the game's success is tied to inertia
lucid olive
i never played other mmos
normal pilot
it coudl be the class design direction overall is not that successful
lofty depot
like, e.g. fellowship did so many things right
any rift enjoyers
any wildstar enjoyers
lucid olive
it's hard to really evaluate wow class design since so much of the game's succes...
the demon hunter talent?
jolly delta
but the whole time I played I kept thinking that classes were just a shallow copy of wow
lucid olive
everything is derived from something else
jolly delta
everything is derived from something else
thanks mr Socrates
not what I meant tho
🥀
lucid olive
jolly delta
Fellowship is obviously entirely derived from WoW
But a lot of the systems were nicely derived/inspired
normal pilot
isn't it just wow without the sunk cost addiction
jolly delta
Bosses/dungeons were fun and interesting
normal pilot
hard to gain traction
jolly delta
But the classes just felt like temu rip-offs
dull dust
yep
drifting nova
classic+ will save us
jolly delta
isn't it just wow without the sunk cost addiction
If we approximate then yeah
mental badge
me again - keep roasting folks. Immediate improvement. Not great but up from like 85k in m+ to like 125.
That is all. that was helpful thanks guys
jolly delta
And without raids for now
lofty depot
gaining 50% more damage isnt great?
drifting nova
tank diff
normal pilot
oh are they addeing raids too?
jolly delta
Especially if by sunk cost addiction you mean "pointless busywork"
normal pilot
i thought it was just gonna be infinite m+
mental badge
well I mean, yes lol but still a lot of silly errors
but for an immediate change, im stoked
lofty depot
mmhm mmhm
jolly delta
i thought it was just gonna be infinite m+
Yeah, nothing specific as of now but they said they'll come
Next season they will also try some arpg-like itemisation
jolly delta
Which is potentially a bad idea but I'm curious to see how it turns out
Since
Well wow loot is shit ngl
normal pilot
it could work depending on how good their tuning tools are
normal pilot
isn't it supposed to be some competitive minded game, presumably they built it with modeling tools for their devs in mind
dull dust
I wanna see my meter jump cuz my trinket used
jolly delta
start with the endgame and add the midgame after
Or maybe don't add it at all
normal pilot
in which case they could be fine making more randomized items
lucid olive
housing is sick
dull dust
wrong
lucid olive
lets get another round of plunderstorm
dull dust
go back to classic
normal pilot
wait is chancel a housing hater
dull dust
plunderstorm abilities unironicly are cooler then and classes abilities we can use
drifting nova
assumed all of you were
lucid olive
i wanna get enough CE trophies that i can put on a full chess game on my lawn
drifting nova
exact opposite end of the road from who housing is for
jolly delta
in which case they could be fine making more randomized items
well, it's not about items being really randomised. I think what they're trying to do is add extra modifiers on items
And those modifiers can roll stuff like sockets, extra stats etc like in wow
But also straight up extra talent points
So I don't think it's really a balancing issue but more of an availability one, clearly an item with 4 bonus modifiers is gonna be better than one with 1
You just need to make it droppable enough
dull dust
gunna have to sim and tc for fellowship soon
jolly delta
For one season
Let's say s4
They just drop a raid and give everyone bis
Week 1
Like I wonder how much would the competitive landscape shift
proper badge
classic+ will save us
sod last season was so cash
drifting nova
sod last season was so cash
regret not playing past p3, never even hit 60 only like 54
never got to do sm
jolly delta
gunna have to sim and tc for fellowship soon
(I unironically did simc for fellowship during S1)
drifting nova
p3 butchered sod so hard it wasnt even funny
proper badge
regret not playing past p3, never even hit 60 only like 54
i left at gnomeregan, then some frens pushed me to come back n it was so worth
jolly delta
it was working and all but supported one single class and all the spell data was hardcoded
and I never published it
dull dust
lethal imp
Sod was pretty great the whole way through. S2 and s3 were the low points but outside of incursions they were still a lot of fun
lethal spruce
hello! in a single target fight but in lunar eclipse window, should i cast wrath or starfire?
proper badge
p3 butchered sod so hard it wasnt even funny
pvp was dumdum but all classes were so broken in pve lol
jolly delta
hello! in a single target fight but in lunar eclipse window, should i cast wrath...
kotg or ec?
drifting nova
did sunken temple 2/3 times then the guild fell part going 50-60
lethal spruce
kotg or ec?
ec
proper badge
Sod was pretty great the whole way through. S2 and s3 were the low points but ou...
incursions killed the vibe for me, just loggin n completin quests in the zone for free levels was not inmersive at all 😛
proper badge
also when r we gettin eclipse outside gcd?
lethal imp
incursions killed the vibe for me, just loggin n completin quests in the zone fo...
Yeah incursions were a gigantic stain on what was otherwise a great experience
jolly delta
should i cast wrath or starfire?
well, you have two builders don't you?
I said that wrath is only in st outside of eclipse
therefore for all the other cases...
lucid olive
ca/incarn = in eclipse
proper badge
im bad bad when it comes to single target, its a shame, peanut dmg QQ
lethal imp
Sod has convinced me that classic+ that appeals to most people is not really possible though. I don’t think you can really do classic+ “better” than sod did. You can just do it differently (which means a different group of people will love it and everyone else will get bored in a month)
proper badge
my adhd lets me hyperfocus for 1 minute and after that i jump around spammin moonfire n sunfire with the starfall/starsurge procs :c
lethal spruce
well, you have two builders don't you?
hehe sorry, a bit new to balance. i was just wondering because in incarn we have the solar eclipse buff so maybe it was worth using wrath during that period
jolly delta
classic hardcore
absolute kino experience
lofty depot
hehe sorry, a bit new to balance. i was just wondering because in incarn we have...
read your hero talents
specifically the one labeled lunar calling
jolly delta
hehe sorry, a bit new to balance. i was just wondering because in incarn we have...
No worries, sorry if it came out rude, didn't mean to
lofty depot
he did
drifting nova
classic hardcore
saying a falsity with so much conviction smh
lofty depot
yea that one too
proper badge
hehe sorry, a bit new to balance. i was just wondering because in incarn we have...
all gucci weve all been there
lethal spruce
specifically the one labeled lunar calling
i just did thank you 🙂
jolly delta
you havent grown the tastebuds yet
drifting nova
the game of wow with how old it is especially in classic is just unsuited to hardcore
it being "new" and fresh doesnt make it good
lethal imp
Are we talking about vanilla hardcore or you mean tbc on hardcore?
drifting nova
yes
lethal imp
Because vanilla hardcore is peak and proven
drifting nova
proven what
lethal imp
Idk about any other xpac working as hardcore
jolly delta
It can lead to a few bs moments, especially if you're not familiar with the quests etc
drifting nova
everyone and their nan went engineering and you're virtually unable to die til 60
lethal imp
I mean a huge number of people played it and loved it multiple times
drifting nova
there were on release like 5? quests that would just kill you
jolly delta
But
jolly delta
Wow is especially suited for hardcore
drifting nova
caves bad, obviously
lethal imp
Yeah I mean this is all a positive not a negative haha
drifting nova
but by god the layering
jolly delta
It makes the game much better
drifting nova
was god awful
lethal imp
Hardcore is fun because of the bs
jolly delta
Because suddenly every single item is useful
drifting nova
??
jolly delta
Even moreso than in base classic
lethal imp
It’s suppose to be full of knowledge checks and punish you for small mistakes
drifting nova
items that were useful in hc were still useful in non hc
jolly delta
items that were useful in hc were still useful in non hc
Ok but not the other way around
Duh
drifting nova
yes, yes the other way round
fair mist
why do i feel like im pulling with star fall all the time in the last couple of weeks
delicate perch
Too much m+ will probs make you go insane
drifting nova
prob my fav dungeon
lofty depot
we stay up with the bonus rolls
how blud so lucky
fossil shard
how blud so lucky
It's actually a little wild lol
delicate perch
Reported
daring gull
spread some luck for the rest of us wtf
fair pasture
that sounds like a song i think
lofty depot
Are u that old or
fair pasture
im almost 35
lofty depot
Andy milonakis show
fair pasture
staind?
lofty depot
Yeet
fair pasture
i think its first saw you
fair pasture
cause it was a while since his first encounter with x thing which is prolly drugs
lofty depot
Ezpz
short kestrel
Can someone tell me the best talents for single raid?
lofty depot
Lol I saw a short today and it was divorced dad rock and it was just all the classics
lofty depot
Can someone tell me the best talents for single raid?
Vaelgor + gaze usually
Sim it tho surely
static crypt
i have a quastion i am back in wow and copy profil for Cooldown manager from wowhead and now it shows me trinket icon in middle of screen and cant find where to disable it or somehow hide it
if someone know where to find it?
fair pasture
Lol I saw a short today and it was divorced dad rock and it was just all the cla...
they play tool on the classic rock station now ;__;
lofty depot
I don't think gamz has a bcdm profile anymore
lofty depot
I mean yea, tool, staind, Chevelle, three days
static crypt
oh finally found it
fair pasture
and it was decent
lofty depot
Yeet
static crypt
didnt see the trinkets tab
thank you it was really annoying to see it in middle and cant find how to move it
lofty depot
yeet
rain jetty
Guys we need to chill on the add damage they are dying before reaching the wall!!
tranquil vault
the right one is in my vault it sims a little bit better as the soulcatchers. my mythic items in vault are not good. i wont kill mythic crown for sure or should i get the 6 tokens maybe instead for extra roll in dungeon or gem slot
fair pasture
Hey did all those issues with sims get sorted out arctic
tranquil vault
got this in my vault also..
lofty depot
i mean none of those trinkets are exceptionally good
would rather take reroll tokens lol
tranquil vault
🙂
but are there good trinkets to get from mythic dungeons..
the soulcatcher is the highest one then
jolly delta
but are there good trinkets to get from mythic dungeons..
no
jolly delta
got this in my vault also..
yes don't take it
tranquil vault
hmm oke. so only 2 options are the ones from raid. and only on heroic then 🙂
round field
tranquil vault
i will try that one again
think we will try with guild also this week after we got lura down
mighty scaffold
Quick question does anyone play with fluid form?
Whenever i try to cast wrath or starfire outside of moonkin form it just doesn't swap me to moonkin (from bear to no-form / no-form = nothin / cat to no-form)
mighty scaffold
Damn, though it would swap directly at begining of cast, gave up playing with it for a moment --' ty so much
too used to the guardian druid fluid form where it's instant xD
craggy sonnet
no cast time to guardian druid abilities 🙂
velvet oriole
oh there's a ping here
royal zenith
thats crazy
dense steeple
2 days later
craggy sonnet
was searching for it all this time
glacial lion
am i using stormweaver procs (starsurge procs) even in aoe?
tacit oriole
Damn, though it would swap directly at begining of cast, gave up playing with it...
IIRC it used to change you to moonkin form at the beginning of the cast last xpac. I forgot when they changed it to the end of a successful wrath or starfire cast. Wasn’t long ago.
ruby badger
am i using stormweaver procs (starsurge procs) even in aoe?
ye
lucid olive
I mean yea, tool, staind, Chevelle, three days
Bro, I wake up to my Spotify creating "dad rock classics" playlist and it's just Fall Out Boy
The world has gone on for too long it's time for a reset
jolly delta
the new state of addons is insanely funny to me ngl
why does my bonus roll addon have a mage food reminder option
lucid olive
Why do you have a bonus roll addon
jolly delta
i was hoping it would retroactively show me what dungeons i rolled on my alts
so i didnt have to think about it
lofty depot
The world has gone on for too long it's time for a reset
Real
rugged epoch
hello anyone knows now that we can solo fyrakk what is the drop rate of reins of anurelos flight form?
stone oasis
1/100 afaik
stone oasis
dont have to get it on ur druid, if u get the mount on any char it unlocks the flight form / pet
lucid olive
hello anyone knows now that we can solo fyrakk what is the drop rate of reins of...
drop rates are not public and purely anecdotal
but its soloable
rugged epoch
ok
lucid olive
source
rugged epoch
and anyone know an addon that show when we get PI from priest
lucid olive
no you can't do that
rugged epoch
ok
lucid olive
maybe if the priest whispers you when he presses the button you can make an addon that catches the whisper, but then you'd have the icon show up regardless of who is whispering you and what they're saying
craggy sonnet
i thought addons cant read out chat anymore mid combat 💀
sick arrow
why occasionally cast 2-3 wrath(warcraft logs) against bosses? i thought it was full starfire
craggy sonnet
in st outside ecl wrath better
lucid olive
i thought addons cant read out chat anymore mid combat 💀
but they know there's a message there
it's the same way those "Innervate me" addons work
it'll pop up as long as you get any whisper in combat
lucid olive
also the Lura memory game addon works off raid chat messages
sick arrow
in st outside ecl wrath better
thx
craggy sonnet
also the Lura memory game addon works off raid chat messages
i thought that was some custom chat channel shenanigans?
lucid olive
no
craggy sonnet
like every symbol has its own custom channel and the addon reads the order in which new messages arrive in those
lucid olive
lucid olive
like every symbol has its own custom channel and the addon reads the order in wh...
order doesn't fully matter either
the tank is always 1 and 4 and the tank is always raid leader
so even if the tank presses his after 2nd healer has pressed number 5
the addon auto corrects it
cause it knows raid lead messages = 1 and 4
but i guess @pallid bay can correct me if i'm wrong on anything
he knows it better than me (RLE rat)
craggy sonnet
hm, idk .. blizz is weird with these things. as far as i understood they dont want this type of stuff? or is this some workaround due to accessibility compromises
lucid olive
who knows what is allowed and not anymore
they admitted they fucked up when they tried to make everything a private aura
also considering how hard L'ura is regardless of the memory game
if the memory game was an actual wipe point that shit would be insane
pallid bay
but i guess <@148552191874039808> can correct me if i'm wrong on anything
Ya it's just different events
So you can differentiate
lucid olive
Ya it's just different events
is raid chat excempt from being secret somehow or
pallid bay
no
lucid olive
so how does it know what the messages say
lucid olive
what are the numbers for then
pallid bay
it just displays it as an icon
lucid olive
are those the icon IDs
lucid olive
that makes sense
i still think Draco should take pictures of himself doing poses for the different symbols
and have everyone use that instead
pallid bay
its just
EVENT: CHAT_MSG_RAID_LEADER
ARG: <secret1>, <secret2>, <secret3>, <secret4>
SetFormattedText("|T".. <secret1> "|")
craggy sonnet
So who sent the message is not secret?
pallid bay
|T just being a an escape sequence
pallid bay
So who sent the message is not secret?
who sent the message is secret
craggy sonnet
Oh but raid leader has diff event?
pallid bay
there's just a separate event for
CHAT_MSG_RAID_LEADER
CHAT_MSG_RAID
lucid olive
what phases the healers are in is secret as well i guess or
pallid bay
ya
craggy sonnet
They have to press in correct order
pallid bay
you could make it even more involved
use CHAT_MSG_RAID_WARNING for example as the healer in the red phase
craggy sonnet
But surely this is not something they actually want? They just didn't nuke it?
pallid bay
but the healer in each phase is not consistent
so you'd double up the macros for healers
pallid bay
But surely this is not something they actually want? They just didn't nuke it?
well
end of the day
all you're really doing
is typing something in chat
like the alternative would be to move your chatbox
craggy sonnet
Early on, add-ons couldn't even see anything in chat, right?
So this gotta be accessibility stuff?
pallid bay
they could always do this basically
well the only thing that they eased up restrictions on
is replacing textures
pallid bay
is replacing textures
this was eased up to allow for HQ icons etc
lucid olive
eased up on some healer shit as well
removed some private auras few weeks in
i guess HQ icons thing and replacing textures also were lobbied for by healers
craggy sonnet
Chat specific is what oi meant I think
lucid olive
no you were unable to replace textures on raid frames for HoTs and shit right
craggy sonnet
Maybe not, uhh
lucid olive
but they eased up on it after prepatch
pallid bay
think healers were more likely to cause it to stop working
because they filtered out stuff by making icons transparent
then making them a single color instead of an icon
idk its all a bit pointless really
like take this
blizz already shows it in their encounter warning thing (which dosnt seem to work?xd)
its just - is boss channeling and was there a ENCOUNTER_WARNING event
good then we know your color swapped, now we can present w/e we want
lucid olive
the encounter warning fires regardless of what your color changed to or
pallid bay
and we just display the secret icon using arg.iconFileID,
pallid bay
the encounter warning fires regardless of what your color changed to or
ya u swap color always
but u can swap to the same
craggy sonnet
PA and secret are not equivalent
pallid bay
same logic, we dont care what the secret is, just display this iconID as an icon
lucid olive
yeah
craggy sonnet
and we just display the secret icon using ``arg.iconFileID,``
This is from the encounter event?
lucid olive
the encounter event is boss channeling and you getting a new color during the channel
pallid bay
This is from the encounter event?
ya
pallid bay
the encounter event is boss channeling and you getting a new color during the ch...
not quite
its just
UNIT_SPELLCAST_CHANNEL_START:boss1 --set variable so we know we should react to ENCOUNTER_WARNING
ENCOUNTER_WARNING -- no other ENCOUNTER_WARNING event happens during this time except color swap so we know its the relevant event
--[[ this is the payload of the event, all secret
text string
casterGUID WOWGUID : string
casterName string
targetGUID WOWGUID : string
targetName string
iconFileID number
...
]]--
UNIT_SPELLCAST_CHANNEL_STOP:boss1 -- boss stopped channeling, set variable so we know not to react to ENCOUNTER_WARNING anymore```idk it exists as an option in edit mode
and in options
could be that bossmods turn them off or something to present them in their own way
the WA that just displays your own feather color is even more stupid
if added and not states[""] then
for _, auraData in ipairs(added) do
if not C_UnitAuras.IsAuraFilteredOutByInstanceID(unit, auraData.auraInstanceID, "HARMFUL")
and C_UnitAuras.IsAuraFilteredOutByInstanceID(unit, auraData.auraInstanceID, "PLAYER|HARMFUL") then
aura_env.auraIDs[auraData.auraInstanceID] = true
local auraData = C_UnitAuras.GetAuraDataByAuraInstanceID(unit, auraData.auraInstanceID)
states:Update("", {
auraInstanceID = auraData.auraInstanceID,
icon = auraData.icon,
})
end
end
end```it just tries 2 different filters and assumes thats the debuff for feather color
craggy sonnet
It just hopes there is no other debuff matching the filters
pallid bay
only thing that breaks it from what ive seen is stagger
break isnt correct, it'll just display stagger icon instead