which is basically the same
#balance
lofty depot
Well it could've deleted that
lucid olive
i just gave em to the AI and said what features to keep from each
I'm not gonna share it publicly and it's just for my own use
lofty depot
Mmhm mmhm
lucid olive
- I showed it to Norsken and he replied with a pog emote
so think I'm fine from an ethical standpoint
craggy sonnet
yeah, i mean. idc .. why wouldnt you.
lucid olive
the Bench Alert module is kinda funny
if you're in a raid outside of combat and get moved to group 8 it just spawns big text telling you to hearthstone
craggy sonnet
get the F outta here
lucid olive
there's a box to change the text yeah
last thing I added was icon to show that I'm in combat and not in Moonkin Form
i know the BuffReminders addon can do that but enabling that addon to show in combat lost me frames
craggy sonnet
btw .. would this line up if you gave it a 1px gap from your player frame?
dire osprey
pallid bay
unplayable
craggy sonnet
right?
lucid olive
actually the player frame is bigger than your primary cdm bar icons
yeah
not something i rly care much about
the 1px gap not a bad idea tho
everything else has a 1px gap so might as well for the defensives as well
craggy sonnet
yee
lucid olive
I've been looking at changing out CDM addon soon, but waiting for a few more weeks until SkironCDM has some more downloads
pallid bay
man i still need desaturated dots
lucid olive
ayije does that or
craggy sonnet
is skiron doing anything better?
pallid bay
why is cdm such a piece of garbage
lucid olive
is skiron doing anything better?
doesnt rely on the CDM afaik
fully custom
should check out the alpha branch of it
i know LuckyOne has been swapping everything over to it, can probably go look at his stream from last couple of days to see how the menu looks and stuff
craggy sonnet
you mean it doesnt need the tracking from cdm?
lucid olive
something like that yeah
craggy sonnet
i thought thats not possible
lucid olive
I think you can make Buff Icons to show up in your Essential bar with CDs as well
idk how Skiron does it but it looks sick
craggy sonnet
(as in you can hide the cdm but you need the tracking info from it)
lucid olive
made by Permok
lucid olive
idk who that is
method analyst and weakaura addon guy
craggy sonnet
how could there be no picture on the CF page tho
craggy sonnet
i dont see an alpha branch on CF
and its had release versions for 3 months
(seen it around during release)
but yeah
craggy sonnet
im not using curseforge addon manager, i looked on the site
this is a stable release version
normal pilot
can't wait for blizz to break all these in 12.1
craggy sonnet
was just wondering if there was another branch hidden on some other platform
lucid olive
no clue
i use WoWUp and since it includes other platforms than just curseforge then i have 0 idea what is pulled from where
but 1.5.18 is the same version so shouldnt matter
but that addon has been getting like 5-6 updates a day recently
craggy sonnet
eqol also been adding a lot of stuff (but i know you dont like the config for that)
lucid olive
yeah that addon looks terrible
but it can do like 10000 different things
i think it's cool that it can let you create custom texture overlays, or use in-game ones and make custom triggers for it
but i have spell overlays perma disabled anyway
craggy sonnet
ye. i'll probably try out both again to rebuild my cdm at some point
anything you are unhappy about with aijye? or just swapping to try something new
lucid olive
anything you are unhappy about with aijye? or just swapping to try something new
not committed to swapping yet, just trying diff stuff out constantly
but so far Skiron has the edge in that I can hide cooldowns while ready
previously I've used m33kauras to have soothe/innervate/dispel on an anchor below my player frame to only show them while they're on cooldown and hide when available
but can do that natty in this
steel fulcrum
How common is it to overcap astral power on vaelgor when you're popping mushrooms?
lofty depot
U shouldve pressed Starfall likely prior to doing that
lucid olive
How common is it to overcap astral power on vaelgor when you're popping mushroom...
it's common but not good
you might go looking at other peoples logs who did better than you and see them overcap, but that doesn't make it good
lofty depot
Most people aren't pre incarning the orb drop, so I can assume they're not sequencing the next 5 presses correctly either
drifting nova
200 astral power when
lofty depot
U can effectively have 200 asp
steel fulcrum
My vaelgor is shit but I think it's because I'm trying to copy people using multiple blood dks
Without blood DK I imagine it's a little different
lucid olive
you can do more damage without a mass grip
lofty depot
Well that also implies ur pressing ur buttons correctl
steel fulcrum
you can do more damage without a mass grip
Explain
lucid olive
Mass grip gets all the mobs together on same pixel
So all the other specs can hit it
So they die quicker
If they're perma spread without a mass grip then your Starfall will still hit all of them all the time and they live longer since other classes can't
Can also put mushrooms in the middle of the spread and have them hit basically all of them anyway
lofty depot
If mobs are stacked people with small aoe do damage
steel fulcrum
I think my mistake is sending all 3 mushrooms at once
I should just send one every add phase
lofty depot
I think ur mistake is not pressing starfall
lucid olive
Sending all 3 on the orbs is good
steel fulcrum
I think ur mistake is not pressing starfall
Now you sound like everyone in my guild
lofty depot
I think ur mistake is likely to do with CD presses or sequencing
steel fulcrum
lucid olive
Now you sound like everyone in my guild
Your guild is right
steel fulcrum
I know I know
lucid olive
Mushrooms ignite as well so using all 3 at the same time is equal to using them one by one
steel fulcrum
There is a real good gap. But it could be bigger
lofty depot
Show log
lucid olive
You use one on pull and then dump during Voidorbs after that
royal zenith
oh yeah??
steel fulcrum
Let me see if I can find it on mobile.
royal zenith
3 hours @pseudo merlin
sour basin
Hey maybe a dumb question, what's the reason we press FOE after lunar? Is it just because of the half GCD, where as with Incarn off GCD and can go straight into starfalling?
pseudo merlin
I heard 0.5 is full dive
lofty depot
We press foe before eclipse actually
drifting nova
whens that poe thing
sour basin
Gotcha, I've been doing that but just wanted to verify after taking a peek again at the guide
drifting nova
sour basin
Thanks
royal zenith
I heard 0.5 is full dive
what does that mean
quartz void
Going into some Belo'Ren mythic prog today been looking a bit around for talents but seeing a lot of different builds, some run meteorites some don't and some are EC but most are Keeper what's the "agreed on" build that's best for general prog for 500 ish WR guilds?
lofty depot
There's no agreed apon build
royal zenith
^
pseudo merlin
what does that mean
royal zenith
try out whatever works for you
quartz void
There's no agreed apon build
Hence why it was in quotation marks
royal zenith
You'll have about 100 pulls to test stuff anyway
lofty depot
I'd assume most people getting their now will have better results with keeper
river galleon
nothing else matters
I Love Metallica
lofty depot
Hence why it was in quotation marks
Well those quotation marks lack understanding.
pseudo merlin
same
pseudo merlin
Actually I take it back, intermission 1 can be like 30% hp so you're bound to 2 phase with time left
focus on killing those birds after intermission 1
quartz void
We try some Meteorites tonight then
pseudo merlin
second bird set after int1 is big painpoint
royal zenith
it's an extremely dumb comment from your side btw @lofty depot
person asks question cause of lack of understanding
-> YOU HAVE A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING!
quartz void
xD
lofty depot
Well yea that's the u don't know what u don't know part
Get off ur high horse rat
There's no Top Marks for you totday
royal zenith
"hey doctor I feel bad and sick"
IT seems you are SICK!!
I need to waste 3 hours of my life
waiting for poe
digital berry
i hope they start actually fighting and slinging slurs
royal zenith
I will make arctic's life miserable..
lucid olive
person asks question cause of lack of understanding
-> YOU HAVE A LACK OF UNDERS...
Arctic been stating the obvious for years smh, not gonna change now
lofty depot
Hey mod deux is a "stupid bitch"
royal zenith
pleonasm!!
lofty depot
How am I getting flack for funny quotations when person thought the quotations would help
royal zenith
no jk arctic, I just wanted to flame you for fun
lofty depot
Fuck kff
royal zenith
and to protecc umbreon
lofty depot
No protec
No attac
But most importantly
No one got your bac
river galleon
Is there any "perfect" amount of haste for current state of balance druid in raid?
drifting nova
lofty depot
Infact u don't want as much as u think
river galleon
lofty depot
Gonna use recklessness to get negative haste then post it
normal pilot
you can't get negative haste from recklessness
drifting nova
idk if mastery has been the goto stat since like legion or
normal pilot
arctic making thigns up again smh
drifting nova
never really paid attention to chicken from legion to like bfa
drifting nova
only mastery iteration I vibe with is cata
normal pilot
they didn't add negative value entries to the ratings DR table
drifting nova
dont even know what balance mastery was back then
lofty depot
It could say 0 tho?
normal pilot
ya you just get 0 ratings. you can't go negative
normal pilot
before DR you could go negative, and you'd start eating into you stat buffs like starlord
quartz void
and to protecc umbreon
You are appreciated for that
royal zenith
🤝
craggy sonnet
It could say 0 tho?
0 vers gaming (except silly sockey for meta)
lofty depot
If u use reckless and have vantus, do u use that vers or
craggy sonnet
vantus is not rating
lofty depot
Yes it is
craggy sonnet
or?
lofty depot
It says 270 vers
lofty depot
Not 5%
royal zenith
if vers is bad, then why does vantus give me 5k extra damage
lofty depot
Mmhm mmhm
royal zenith
explain??
normal pilot
just right click cancel the debuff
craggy sonnet
true
lofty depot
Actually never checked when it gives the vers
craggy sonnet
cancelaura macro that shit away
craggy sonnet
ok, dont use recklessness with vantus 💀
unique sigil
If I dont want to take w ild mushrooms on dragons, what should i swap it with? just the other talent in that same row?
lofty depot
Depends what other talents ur currently not using
unique sigil
I basically just ripped the top log off archon
and swapped the mushroom row, but idk if thats actually what I should be doing for that boss, the ads dont live that long in my raid
unique sigil
okay thank you!
lofty depot
Think people over estimate how much other people do
I had double bdk and 3 devs. If I can beat them, so can u
lofty depot
Skill diffy
royal zenith
uhu
lofty depot
Mmhm mmhm
royal zenith
I think that it's the right attitude to spec into more boss damage if voidorbs die fast enough
not the other way around 🥹
ionic surge
@jolly delta log on, we go voidspire 3/6 mythic
royal zenith
it's a trap
ionic surge
not a trap im making group
jolly delta
lets help my g miik
ionic surge
you cant
lofty depot
He's an m+er don't trust him
jolly delta
They told me I could come on my mage
jolly delta
me and bramblers are coming
covert yacht
I was just reading the wowhead guide and it said to use free procs on starfall instead of starsurge for single target, the tooltip shows starfall doing less single target than starsurge, does anyone know why it's better to starfall?
ionic surge
me and bramblers are coming
perfect
royal zenith
dont keep the guy in limbo vinter..
jolly delta
please for the love of god do your best to sniff out shitters that will leave after 2nd boss
royal zenith
yes or no..
lofty depot
I was just reading the wowhead guide and it said to use free procs on starfall i...
There's talents that proc other things. It's not about tooltips
jolly delta
i really want to kill salhadaar
ionic surge
please for the love of god do your best to sniff out shitters that will leave af...
we've checked everyone's logs
jolly delta
ionic surge
not a person in there (other than you kek) that hasnt killed sal
ionic surge
maybe it's not too bad?
its fine with people who have killed
royal zenith
yeah fair
jolly delta
ok im coming, calling bramblers as well
royal zenith
or boosters 
ionic surge
@jolly delta log on big bro
jolly delta
he should be finishing dinner rn
hopefully it doesnt take 20m otherwise we go without him
im logged in bro
ionic surge
lofty depot
saladbar seems kinda cringe with pugs I dunno
Giga easy, move the boss. Very hard
jolly delta
saladbar seems kinda cringe with pugs I dunno
only the tanks need to do something
lofty depot
Well I wouldn't consider a tank that can't read the room and not move the boss "human"
royal zenith
in before you have 10 wipes cause of nobody wanting to interrupt
ionic surge
Well I wouldn't consider a tank that can't read the room and not move the boss "...
this
royal zenith
melee ignoring interrupts to pad on small orbs
rotund fiber
does anyone know what this talent is under for logs?
lofty depot
Surge
royal zenith
lofty depot
Click the arrow silly
jolly delta
only the tanks need to do something
and considering that miik is tanking
royal zenith
good luck
jolly delta
i have full trust in our group to kill
ionic surge
this guy kills bosses
royal zenith
yooo I'm gonna get sark
ionic surge
i didnt do tww but if i went for mog i'd prob wear dimensius
drifting nova
all are cringe
royal zenith
sarkareth is based!
drifting nova
royal zenith
exactly, that's why
lofty depot
Boss was badass
ionic surge
was bad & ass more like
dense steeple
i liked sark
dense steeple
and it also felt story driven
unlike gally
like the encounter felt right
not forced
lofty depot
The downstairs stuff was fun
royal zenith
yeah and the patchwerk boss was a bit too easy
dense steeple
an easy patchwerk fight though is like ehh who cares
most raids have them its not a big deal
zskarn was the sin that tainted the tier
lofty depot
I want the hard wall patchwork fights
royal zenith
yeah but it was like what, 3rd last?
lofty depot
Smoldy was fun
royal zenith
the one with the platform, forgot its name
lofty depot
Magmorax was the shit one
lofty depot
Rashok was the waves one
royal zenith
rashok was epic
lofty depot
Yea tales of 2 types of st bosses
dense steeple
rashok was making my raid int it was so tilting
lofty depot
One was sick one was ass
dense steeple
our healers just going oom 75% thru the fight and we couldnt limp over finish line
turned out
our tank refused to dodge waves
royal zenith
dense steeple
so he spent the first 75% of the fight eating the healer mana
hitting multiple waves on every fucking waves set
and after we threatened to kick him for it we killed it in 1 pull
???? CRAZY
turns out doing mechanics will kill bosses
dense steeple
i was so mad man
lofty depot
Somadloria
dense steeple
based
lethal imp
How long are you holding fury for if CA is about to come up? 10 seconds? 5?
lofty depot
Assuming ur playing keeper in raid, the 2nd foe needs to be sent on CD, so it lines up with 3m and 4m timings
If ur talking about ec m+, depends on context of the pull
ionic surge
@royal zenith got vinter his saladbar kill ez
grim radish
whats doing more single target dps rn this or feral?
royal zenith
what context
lofty depot
St context
grim radish
what context
raid boss
lofty depot
its funny how feral does more boss damage for pretty much everything except birb
If u have 20% down time....how could it be better
royal zenith
I don't know what that means, as in, the top logging ferals just have 20% downtime?
lofty depot
Ye
lofty depot
Idk how to play feral
grim radish
whats downtime
lofty depot
But I was told "duh u'll lose damage when ur not pressing buttons"
royal zenith
whats downtime
not pressing buttons basically
royal zenith
That tracks bleeds dork
how do you see actual uptime
and what's actual good uptime
for fearl
lofty depot
Well wowanalyzer
But belo has downtime regardless cuz of the hold
So it's more looking at other fights :/
royal zenith
mhm
royal zenith
do not
drifting nova
lofty depot
Mmhm mmhm
lucid comet
hey guys, since i know some of you are adorable and helped me in the past to improve as a boomie, it happens that a friend of mine is in the same situation as i was but since i stopped playing boomie before all the rework thing into midnight, i was wondering if anyone had time to check her logs that she sent me please :) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ApFPyrxKd4NL8J2G?fight=last&type=casts&source=4&view=timeline that's would be lovely <3
lofty depot
Didn't Sunfire
Pressed foe in ca instead of prior
Playing convoke on aoe boss
Pressed convoke with 2s left on trees
Which means half of it did 24% less dam
Nvm Sunfires on pull tick
Should Sunfire after moonfire not before
(it's lower duration
royal zenith
probably wanna play EC on paladins
lofty depot
U solar on 3t tho on keeper
lucid comet
big thanks guys, you are so goated ! <3
lofty depot
Isn't it
craggy sonnet
dont think so
you starfire and enter lunar on 3+
unless i messed up. but i recently tested that (and proposed some fixes)
lofty depot
craggy sonnet
wasnt commited yet
royal zenith
lofty depot
Idk I wrath in keeper
craggy sonnet
need to apply the same logic to the opener
lofty depot
Cba pressing starfire outside of instant
Afk for 5 seconds
Trees before ca
Dot before ca
Hmm
He grabbed th wowhead convoke 1m build
Down with wowhead
lucid comet
Pressed foe in ca instead of prior
wdym by that btw ? foe should be cast instant or ?
tawny nest
FoE -> Trees -> Incarn
lucid comet
Dot before ca
yeah... it's painful to look at this ngl :)
royal zenith
you want to spend good gcd's in incarn
tawny nest
So all your GCDs inside Incarn are your hard hitting abilities like Starsurge
lucid comet
lofty depot
wdym by that btw ? foe should be cast instant or ?
Should be cast before trees yes
craggy sonnet
quick, need aoe talent string
lucid comet
ookay i see
lofty depot
quick, need aoe talent string
Uhhh
craggy sonnet
with keeper
lofty depot
talents=CYGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWoMbNjxMD8AmtZmZmBDzY2mZZsNjZmNWmxYmZYBDAGLbzMLLzsNbz0MzyMBAAAYjZegZGsZMjxMAmZwMDMA
craggy sonnet
thx
lofty depot
Isn't ak get mad
lucid olive
Yea I can approve those now
just remember to use the same wordin in commit message as previous ones
with [Balance] in front
since it gets auto shipped to SimC github with ur message
lofty depot
Oof
exotic tide
I know the general advice of "vers bad, the rest good" and "sim yourself"
I'm planning to craft some gems in advance, is there something I can 'safely'
i.e. make a mast-haste gem or a haste-crit gem knowing 100% I would get use out of them?
does the diamond change at all or is one always better? either max main stat or main stat + crit dmg I guess?
do we optimize the gem colours, i.e. gem both haste-crit and crit-haste or do we just go max stats usually?
hopefully the questions makes a litle bit of sense and won't just be "wait until u get the gear and sim then" :P
lofty depot
Gonna label them all as feral
lucid olive
I know the general advice of "vers bad, the rest good" and "sim yourself"
I'm pl...
Diamond gem changes with 5+ sockets
lofty depot
Crit master good
lofty depot
But u need 5 colors for Crit gem
lucid olive
And yeah opting for anything with either crit or mastery on it is probably safe
lofty depot
Yea surr
royal zenith
yem
lethal imp
If ur talking about ec m+, depends on context of the pull
Yeah I'm referring to EC m+ here. Assuming the pull isn't about to end, what's a good rule of thumb for how much time CA would have to have for you to just send the fury?
Currently, I'm defaulting to if CA is coming up within 10 seconds, I'll hold otherwise send
but idk if that's spewing too much value
lofty depot
Yeah I'm referring to EC m+ here. Assuming the pull isn't about to end, what's a...
Well the whole duration
No point sending CA on a half dead pack
exotic tide
But u need 5 colors for Crit gem
do we know that's always optimal at 5 gems? or would u depending on other gear be better off with diamond + crit-mast + mast-crit gems and ignore the other 2?
craggy sonnet
maybe if you had super low crit
lofty depot
Well I'm not simming shit gear but assume it's shit if ur heavy haste/mastery
That's why u sim it tho
And no, u need at least 4 of the diff color'd gems for it to be better
craggy sonnet
@dull dust why are we going into incarn with 0 ap? 
gain so much ap in aoe it doesnt matter?
dull dust
royal zenith
dull dust
oh i see
craggy sonnet
at least now i know why i didnt notice the opener
lofty depot
<@241331846338576387> why are we going into incarn with 0 ap? <:Despair:12815130...
Maybe it has a proc still
lofty depot
Make it use free Starfire while ur at it
wasnt the old condition we were messing with like 40 asp - procs
Can't remember
craggy sonnet
chancel, please fix
can take the latest apl i posted
idk how you wanted it to be used
lucid olive
need to add Starfall with Cosmos stuff for EC_ST as well
drifting nova
trusting a mage to do druid sims smh
lucid olive
i was gonna do it before commiting the APL but havent had time or will to do it
lofty depot
Stop making ec_st better
drifting nova
still convinced st ec doesnt exist
craggy sonnet
Stop making ec_st better
oh you can see ec st in full force from me .. no worries
lofty depot
I will not be seeing that anymore
dull dust
aoe opener
craggy sonnet
not the ap condition
warm yoke
is there a script or addon that removes the clutter on screen when pressing starfall?
lucid olive
is there a script or addon that removes the clutter on screen when pressing star...
not rly other than tweaking graphic settings
will always be some effects on starfall
have to get used to it
lofty depot
Ur gonna want to not turn off particle density
warm yoke
not off. just lowered
lofty depot
Turn down not off sure
craggy sonnet
Lol explain this too
btw this shit only worth like .4% on 3t
builders so weak for keeper
upper anvil
builders are just weak
Maybe you're just weak
lofty depot
btw this shit only worth like .4% on 3t
That's big
daring gull
0 = worth
upper anvil
Oh
drifting nova
I still cant get a 10
upper anvil
Lies I've seen you in arms discord
upper anvil
I still cant get a 10
Bruh
drifting nova
and keys as dps are cursed
upper anvil
This late into the season?
craggy sonnet
you are also seeing him in here
upper anvil
What you even doing mr kekkers
drifting nova
at this point 1 key a week
upper anvil
Ye play the boomkin sir
drifting nova
10 compression is on which doesnt help
surely the tank issue gets solved next patch
upper anvil
What tank issue
drifting nova
they dont exist
upper anvil
But they do
drifting nova
drifting nova
no
dull dust
<@241331846338576387> why are we going into incarn with 0 ap? <:Despair:12815130...
-500
craggy sonnet
just wait til season 2 comes around
limpid grotto
how do I check a person's uptime on for example orbs in salhadar on warcraftlogs
ruby badger
wdym
limpid grotto
I want to check the uptime of someone hitting an orb on salhadar
the enduring void
ruby badger
What does uptime mean in this case
If a balance druid is pressing starfall as soon as orbs spawn they'll have 100% uptime on them
assuming they keep pressing their buttons
digital berry
Damn poe 2 0.5 is insane
ruby badger
If you wanna see who's doing the most damage to them just go to damage done then pick the specific add set you wanna see
pseudo merlin
@royal zenith where can I watch the ggg stuff
royal zenith
uhhh not sure
trailer is live at least
but the full reveal is like 1 hour and 10 minutes
royal zenith
every mechanic has been reworked, completely
atlas reworked, compeltely
I dunno just watch it
pseudo merlin
damn
royal zenith
craggy sonnet
hasnt figured out how to rewind like youtub e
search for a restream on yt
pseudo merlin
like some rando?
sinful falcon
@zealous glen
zealous glen
hey
zealous glen
genesis tree... but like
why r u here
royal zenith
Im a druid..
royal zenith
and a monk..
royal zenith
liiiiesss
zealous glen
im playing ret lmao
zealous glen
bro
ww is so shit to play rn
the playstyle is so bad right now and they cant survive in raid
royal zenith
yeh... my buddy also didnt like it
zealous glen
i just hate the direction it went to
royal zenith
thought it was a lot more boring etc.
royal zenith
sounds familiar
pseudo merlin
found a rebroacast
holy shit
ritual rework better be good
i love ritual
oh finally real monk
royal zenith
all of the mechanics allow you to actually like discover shit and I dunno
looked fun
ye
drifting nova
release when
drifting nova
and whens that
drifting nova
cant escape it
pseudo merlin
😩
pseudo merlin
ok so expedition is still shit
Wait expedition modifiers from every flag you bomb stack/carry over to the next bomb monsters
I genuinely thought that's how it has worked all this time
royal zenith
surely you're not gonna describe every 2 minutes
tettles will ban us
too much poe!!
(I thought expedition looked fun, wait till you see the new Lost Ark...)
split trail
289 emberwing feather sims lower than 263 Gaze of the Alnseer... i hate this game
royal zenith
there will never be good trinket balance though
normal pilot
well there can be
royal zenith
there won't be.. >:)
drifting nova
need to throw more items at it
normal pilot
but by now you should know better that blizz can't do it
dull dust
blizz made it pretty clear last 2 xpacs that if u dont raid u arnt getting good trinkets
shit ass company
drifting nova
which is even funnier given its the only reason to raid for loot
without trinkets raid dies in a ball of fire
dull dust
i think personally id never raid if there wasnt good loot
at least
but ik thats a controversal topic
royal zenith
raid for ranks
lucid olive
i agree mythic+ should drop BIS trinkets (and also have a weekly lockout)
normal pilot
idk if that's controversial
dull dust
solved with the rerolls gamz
normal pilot
maybe to some niche corner of the internet
pseudo merlin
Every dungeon has weekly lockout
normal pilot
why wouldn't you raid for loot
lucid olive
solved with the rerolls gamz
no its not
dull dust
wym
royal zenith
fuckton of people play wow for the gearing part
drifting nova
raid needs a massive difficulty overhaul
royal zenith
feelsgood
dull dust
gamz do u run splits
royal zenith
he does
dull dust
yeah ok
royal zenith
if you dont have access to a raid group / splits, gearing is pretty ass
especially if you want the highest ilvl shit
dull dust
the reroll system helps a ton with dungeon items
royal zenith
yee
dull dust
sure tis not perfect
but raiding normally u can not see a trinket for months if ur spec sucks
dull dust
u can deterministicly get a trinket after like 3 weeks
royal zenith
with how hc has been cannibalised (mostly by m+) doubt I'll raid again
that's a choice though
drifting nova
that's a choice though
to cannibalise an entire difficulty?
lucid olive
u can deterministicly get a trinket after like 3 weeks
sure but i am still forced to do minigame content that i don't enjoy in order to be stronger for the content that i do enjoy
or does it only count other way around when its the minigamers forced to raid
and not vice versa
ruby badger
I do hope one day M+ and Raid get a PVP like separation between the two
drifting nova
for you to define it as such
pretty much every raid post df s2 I did 10s earlier and earlier than aotc
comparing the 2 as blizz does is a massive meme
lucid olive
I do hope one day M+ and Raid get a PVP like separation between the two
i don't, i think that's very stupid solution
dull dust
and not vice versa
both can be true
vital hound
i agree mythic+ should drop BIS trinkets (and also have a weekly lockout)
please no
dull dust
but the reroll also helps raid
royal zenith
I don't think that has to do with difficulty though
dull dust
so i dont see the problem
royal zenith
cause hc first week aint all that bad to reach, if you have a raid group...
dull dust
u can just tune trinkets better idk
drifting nova
heroic (rightly or wrongly) is a forgotten area
vital hound
but the reroll also helps raid
raid roll costing two tokens fucking sucks
lucid olive
i think that's fine
dull dust
i think hero trinket shouldnt beat a myth trinket in any scenario
lucid olive
smaller pool of items to choose from so it makes sense
vital hound
ive been gaze rolling on hunter/druid for ages
then i go to druid #2 and just turbo roll nexus points
sheeptwo is same ilvl as sheepone now
dull dust
why hero vaelgors and aln is better then every myth dungeon trinket is just lazy tuning
lucid olive
i think hero trinket shouldnt beat a myth trinket in any scenario
disagree, i think variety is good in that regards
dull dust
or forced tuning
lucid olive
on how it depends on spec
vital hound
smaller pool of items to choose from so it makes sense
makes sense it just feels shit man
royal zenith
probably forced tuning
drifting nova
why hero vaelgors and aln is better then every myth dungeon trinket is just lazy...
wouldnt be surprised if even champ gaze wins
royal zenith
they know vaelgor's has been this strong for a while now
dull dust
it probably does
drifting nova
the cynic screams inept tuning
royal zenith
and gaze
dull dust
my rogue rn the world trinket beats all the dungeon trinkets
drifting nova
dull dust
is that fine guys?
lucid olive
which world trinket
dull dust
champ>myth
lucid olive
the Crucible?
dull dust
yea
lucid olive
in Crucible's case I think it's fine
royal zenith
if you think it's fine, it is 
lucid olive
that trinket will stay in season 1 and not scale up
dull dust
drifting nova
my rogue rn the world trinket beats all the dungeon trinkets
isnt part of that issue also the dungeon pool..being not great lootwise
the spread on dungeons has almost always been sus
lucid olive
it's a trinket from a quest, we had those in TWW as well and never saw them again
royal zenith
chancel we had a 20 ilvl lower bell trinket in the times of nathria
dull dust
not really kekkers
lucid olive
- the delve loot pool changes each season too (see Energy Drink from Season 2 as example)
drifting nova
and I highly doubt it beats# the AA one
royal zenith
this crucible is child's play
drifting nova
chancel we had a 20 ilvl lower bell trinket in the times of nathria
even my dumb arse managed to get a proc on it
all hail the bell
lucid olive
I think that if the end goal is to have balance between items from raid and from m+
dull dust
thats just lazy tuning idk
dull dust
why limit the items from m+
lucid olive
m+ is infinitely farmable loot
pseudo merlin
They didn't make the azmeri spirit fast..
lucid olive
but those are irelivant in 2 weeks
thats what i mean
if you want to balance them
right now they're not balanced
royal zenith
They didn't make the azmeri spirit fast..
they never showcase shit properly, lets be honest
drifting nova
the solution thatl never happen is myth from dungeons
dull dust
im fine with the hero items being less obtainable
drifting nova
but itd have to be like 20s
royal zenith
the solution thatl never happen is myth from dungeons
uhm we have bonus rolls
already happened
drifting nova
..
dull dust
make the race guys make more mirrors
dull dust
royal zenith
hey gotta be specific
royal zenith
and you have vault
royal zenith
good
dull dust
wtf!
drifting nova
theres a very real hero crest void atm
lucid olive
cool
craggy sonnet
if you want to balance them
do you mean with regards to hc raid?
royal zenith
there's not a hero crest void..
royal zenith
you just dont want to do content that awards it
lucid olive
do you mean with regards to hc raid?
no in general
drifting nova
the primary source
royal zenith
doesnt full hc raid award you like 100 crests
drifting nova
the side effect of the season being too easy
craggy sonnet
but it doesnt really matter for mythic if you can "farm" a good hc trinket from m+
drifting nova
is less hero keys
lucid olive
doesnt full hc raid award you like 100 crests
more than that i think
dull dust
ngl i would be a big fan of making dungeons 3 hero items cap a week it would limit the degens week 1-2
royal zenith
you can reach cap by just doing raid, I dunno
if you reach cap in m+ with myth crest, you get heroic
I think you just dont play the game kekkers
which is fine..
lucid olive
but it doesnt really matter for mythic if you can "farm" a good hc trinket from ...
m+ is boring content
the same way m+ enjoyers are forced to raid for gear, raiders are also forced to m+ for gear
craggy sonnet
sure. but you do it anyway start of season
lucid olive
and the time raiders spend in m+ is more than the time m+ers spend in raid
craggy sonnet
that is unchanged by better trinket tuning
lucid olive
before theyre done gearing
lucid olive
that is unchanged by better trinket tuning
thats why i said the only way to balance the two is to limit m+ loot
dull dust
and the time raiders spend in m+ is more than the time m+ers spend in raid
is that true tho
lofty depot
ngl i would be a big fan of making dungeons 3 hero items cap a week it would lim...
3 ITEMS
royal zenith
delves also give heroic crests I believe, kekkers
lofty depot
so now im just gonna degen which dungeons i do
royal zenith
you're legit just not playing the game
drifting nova
is that true tho
exlusively? probably
lucid olive
is that true tho
no it's anecdotal as hell 
royal zenith
classic "please just give me my loot for free" syndrom..
dull dust
because if i want myth items im forced to prog the late bosses for far longer then i do keys for
drifting nova
delves also give heroic crests I believe, kekkers
woah there buddy, delves are harder than the other 2 combined
lucid olive
somewhere down the rabbit hole of solutions to the problem you end up limiting m+ loot frequency
craggy sonnet
thats why i said the only way to balance the two is to limit m+ loot
well, i meant it doesnt change the amount of m+ to play but just gives another decent option to obtain from vault if you balance trinkets
lucid olive
i think no matter what they end up doing with the system in the future you will have one side be furious, that's just how it is
and my point is way more in regards to peoples reactions to it than other stuff
pseudo merlin
I guess I'm lucky to enjoy playing dungeons
dull dust
cant make gearing too hard or the casually will freak
royal zenith
nahhh pvpers are not mad about loot
dull dust
too easy the raid loggers get mad
royal zenith
they just play pvp
pseudo merlin
I don't mind m+ being mandatory at the start of the xpac
i just dont want to do 500 keys for a trinket
leave the bonus rolls in vault rewards after this season and I'm gucchi
lucid olive
well, i meant it doesnt change the amount of m+ to play but just gives another d...
i don't think "balanced trinkets" can exist
pseudo merlin
Being able to 16/16 HC slot your char out on day 1 of a patch is kinda crazy tho
lofty depot
can u only wear 1 even tho theyre different stats
lucid olive
the delta between best and worst spec is smallest it's ever been, but people still say "THIS SPEC IS UNPLAYABLE!"
drifting nova
can u only wear 1 even tho theyre different stats
yes
lucid olive
even tho factually it isn't
drifting nova
it's UNIQUE
lofty depot
yea but it is unique
lucid olive
if you balance m+ and raid trinkets there will always be 1 trinket that is better than others
drifting nova
the delta between best and worst spec is smallest it's ever been, but people sti...
say that to a warrior on ST
craggy sonnet
but if a trinket is factually better than any other even if you downgrade it 1 track
dull dust
if you balance m+ and raid trinkets there will always be 1 trinket that is bette...
ideally not 10ilvls of balance better
lucid olive
and if a raider plays a spec where your best trinket is from m+ the raider will complain
vice versa other way around
craggy sonnet
thats a bit excessive
lucid olive
ideally not 10ilvls of balance better
that depends on the spec or?
lots of agi specs love puzzle box
warlocks like feather from windspire
drifting nova
even if keys are objectively easier than raid bosses?
dull dust
yeah im not being biased
normal pilot
you can absolutely balance trinkets better
dull dust
puzzle box is also bad
lucid olive
feather from windspire is also good for Moonkin, it's just not that good for KOTG
dull dust
in balance
royal zenith
even if keys are objectively easier than raid bosses?
is it objectively easier?
craggy sonnet
raider that care about 1% better trinket will do 8 keys per week regardless
craggy sonnet
is it objectively easier?
royal zenith
it's probably objectively easier to get 5 people together than 20
lucid olive
raider that care about 1% better trinket will do 8 keys per week regardless
m+er who cares about 1% will also raid regardless
normal pilot
it's not a difficult thing, they just choose not to do it
dull dust
gamz
reminder they have the ability to balance trinkets based on spec
as they have shown
normal pilot
you can ignore the 1% morons on the internet but there is absolutely a problem with the trinket balance
dull dust
and have done
drifting nova
it's probably objectively easier to get 5 people together than 20
is aotc easier than w/e the m+ achieve eqv is..2k?
or 1500? pvp
craggy sonnet
m+er who cares about 1% will also raid regardless
and they do already. but there is at least 1 if not 2 raid trinkets every season that are vastly overbudget
drifting nova
I can tell you the answer is no
normal pilot
some trinket being worse than 30 ilevel below is a solvable problem they choose not to solve
lucid olive
and they do already. but there is at least 1 if not 2 raid trinkets every season...
raiding is the content blizzard wants to promote
dull dust
raiding is the content blizzard wants to promote
i think its 80 dollar house skins actually
drifting nova
it is 2k right? idk I forgot
drifting nova
yeah
pseudo merlin
and in previous seasons it was still easier
royal zenith
if you are talking about time spent, that's a different discussion
drifting nova
its always been easier to do m+ for it
royal zenith
you can even buy boosts week 1, probably 2