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lucid olive
dull dust
tf is a dvalin sba
inland cipher
Is there a guid you recommend? I saw this server on community discord and though it would be a good place to start
inland cipher
Dvalin is a Youtuber that makes Single Button Assist builds and guilds on how to maximise output with the Single Button Assist. His build is currently out DPSing the #1 build i found on Murlok.io and the recommended rotation. At least by me.
craggy sonnet
Written by the same dork but with slightly different nuances in information I guess
inland cipher
There is one in the channel description here.
dreamgrove.gg
Thanks, im checking that out now and will try it out tomorrow.
craggy sonnet
Dvalin is a Youtuber that makes Single Button Assist builds and guilds on how to...
Isn't your dvalin fellow also running an elune build?
lucid olive
jolly delta
lucid olive
video is a banger
jolly delta
is it xavier level?
inland cipher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szlRUMFpGF8
That is what i am currently using. That build and play guide. Im trying to learn how to out DPS that build manually.
lucid olive
i think those EC talents were the same as the ones in the "best one-button rotation talents" thing that was on wowhead in pre-patch
jolly delta
my only question is
why is a guide required to play single button
like, its a decent guide and covers many other things
lucid olive
yeah thats the irony that interests me
inland cipher
I've done M+ with it and do decent but I read that the SBA does recude my DPS by 18% so im trying to learn how to make up for that.
craggy sonnet
why is a guide required to play single button
Because people still want to get information about talents and gear to not have to think about it
inland cipher
In PVP and Dungons im usually one of the top DPSers with it. I use his build for the Balanced druid and the BM Hunter. Both pump pretty good
craggy sonnet
I've done M+ with it and do decent but I read that the SBA does recude my DPS by...
The build is quite literally almost the same as what you would find in a guide
lucid olive
"i am doing highest damage, and i know its follower mode but those do real damage"
craggy sonnet
It's only about you pushing the buttons
lucid olive
howling
inland cipher
the SBA doesnt do everything, just your primary rotation. You still have to pop some cooldowns, and trinkets etc
Defensives atoo
craggy sonnet
Also. Crit is actually quite good, opposite to what dvalin says
lucid olive
EC isnt hurt as bad from the GCD increase since Starfire has long ass cast time
yeah crit is very good
inland cipher
I just did a Deep Six arena and i was top DPS and not the highest geared. I used his SBA guid
lucid olive
@delicate perch
craggy sonnet
Again. This is about you pushing buttons.. not the build
The build is quite generic .. just slightly below what you would wanna play
inland cipher
Im gonna try that dreamgrove.gg build and rotation and see if i can out DPS that SBA
inland cipher
The build is quite generic .. just slightly below what you would wanna play
My thoughts exactly. Just trying to get better.
I want to maximize my DPS so i can pull my weight in higher Keys
craggy sonnet
You do not need to try the dreamgrove build. You can try your current build but actually learn to play the spec by reading up on the rotation
inland cipher
thats what i been doing. Trying it out manually but cant seem to outdps the SBA. Its probably just me lol
I appreciat the feedback.
craggy sonnet
You just gotta practice and get an understanding of what you should be doing. The SBA is not doing some magic. If you were to press the same buttons as it does, you DPS would increase as there is a malus attached to using it
delicate perch
<@129188899741237248>
fair pasture
Does SBA put up a stream of what buttons it's using by default?
Feel like seeing that while it casts would help pick up what's optimal a lot faster
ancient turtle
any chance someone could look at a log of pallys and tell me what im doing wrong? i think its just maybe incarn timing and a few less casts when comparing to some others https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9yLJcq27w4Tdx6kR?fight=23&type=damage-done&source=1
lofty depot
u should be targetting velen until ur 2nd incarn essentially
ur canceling a lot
foe prior
u didnt wildcharge at all
ancient turtle
does it matter if you send 2nd incarn during lust or at 1 min? looks like its kinda split for people
ancient turtle
i came in late only had 15 pulls before the kill so i def have some positioning to learn is the canceled casts and movement that big a part of it?
lofty depot
u either hold that foe or u send incarn later
i generally send my incarn later
surely u hotw here
ancient turtle
alright thanks i guess i have alot more than i thought to look into
lofty depot
mild echo
in keys, how many mobs should i be dropping moonfire on before actually going through my rotation?
eager raft
All of them
mild echo
thats what i thought. im doing that by my dps has been really low compared to the other dps in my groups... any ideas why that may be?
eager raft
not without seeing a log or a video really
mild echo
fair enough
eager raft
If it’s in low level keys could just be that stuff is dying to bursty specs before you get your damage out
mild echo
thats kind of what im thinking. cuz my keys are 4-6 right now....
eager raft
Just keep working at it and as you go up in levels you should start seeing more dmg naturally
lofty depot
@clever vigil grats buddy
clever vigil
thanks goat
pallid bay
thanks goat
ggwp
ionic surge
im sorry
sudden flame
facts
velvet ember
Good morning, frenz. Would someone mind looking at my logs for heroic L'ura and giving me some pointers? I'm struggling and not sure why? I have a lot of work to do to get better overall, but really struggling with this fight. I am Ishosaphat. Thanks.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KPjR76pW4nGCfFMg
royal zenith
what are you struggling with?
specifically
in general there's a lot of basic stuff you do wrong, based on your cast timeline
not aligning cd's
round field
you have a lot of gaps in ur casts
royal zenith
downtime and not aligning cooldown
royal zenith
dunno how beneficial it is, to send starfires on adds
further not-aligning cd's
probably better for you to play starweaver on this fight, so you have more procs for movement
it would be worth just grabbing a guide for kotg and work on some stuff with a training dummy
to get more muscle memory
ruby badger
When playing 1 min convoke you want your CDs to always be
Trees > CA (if CA is out of charges, Eclipse) > AP dump > Convoke
This right here is really bad as well:
Let me see if I can grab gamz's message about what to do in eclipse it's really good
Every eclipse should basically start with 3 spenders
craggy sonnet
Feel like seeing that while it casts would help pick up what's optimal a lot fas...
pretty old message but whatever .. the SBA rotation is not optimal. and its quality varies quite a bit between specs and talent setup
velvet ember
When you talk about CD alignment, when should I use the 2nd charge of CA then? I thought, based on priority list I should use it when I am. Also, how can I better align CDs? As watergodsteven suggests?
On the adds, I was assuming they were a big part of why I was so low. So, I was trying a few things. How should I handle adds then?
What is kotg?
I really appreciate all of the help.
ruby badger
When you talk about CD alignment, when should I use the 2nd charge of CA then? I...
KOTG is your hero talent
ruby badger
When playing Trees you want every CA/Incarn to have a trees cast just before it
and when playing 1min convoke, you want every CA to be used for a convoke
velvet ember
I think I understand. Thank you all. I really appreciate the help.
ruby badger
As a note though, due to the timings of CA/Incarn, sometimes your trees will get spent on a regular ol' eclipse
but in a raid fight majority of your trees should go towards buffing your CA + Convoke
For example here's Gamz playing your build on Heroic L'ura
Green bar = CA, Blue Bar = Convoke
velvet ember
One more thing, what should I do with the adds? Feels like dotting them is a waste because they die fairly quickly. No Starfires on adds, so not sure what else to do.
royal zenith
just starfall, or pre starfall
if you're keen on playing convoke, wait till adds have spawned and send cd's/convoke during add spawns
sunfire might be worth a gcd (if they get stacked with dk's)
velvet ember
Got it. Again, thank you!
ruby badger
Yeah a common theme this tier is a lot of adds are only worth starfalling on heroic
royal zenith
if you really want to play for add damage, you can also opt-in for Fury of Elune*
ruby badger
On mythic you get some more fights where you can do some dotting up
royal zenith
but depends on if you think it's worth
velvet ember
Most likely not seeing this fight on Mythic. 🙂
ruby badger
No shame in that, like Deux said there's a few things you can do to optimize for damage but the lowest hanging fruit atm is just fixing your CD alignment and making your eclipse windows good
velvet ember
I have a bad habit of not fully reading talents. So, not using Apex talents correctly is not a surprise. I really do appreciate all of the help.
This is going to help me with all of the other fights as well. 🍻
craggy sonnet
if you really want to play for add damage, you can also opt-in for Fury of Elune...
actually wondering how true this is
since foe is not really scaling well in aoe
royal zenith
you'd have to sim it ye
craggy sonnet
the thing making it good for ec in aoe is the explosion dmg from boundless moonlight
royal zenith
maybe manual shrooms is better
craggy sonnet
foe itself is soft capped at 1
so sqrt scaling is applied with any additional targets
royal zenith
dunno how mechanically they changed foe
used to be good in stacked aoe
if you say that's changed then ye
craggy sonnet
idk if its changed
lofty depot
maybe manual shrooms is better
WILD MUSHROOM GANG
lofty depot
New player perspective u could play AC and not even care about foe either
royal zenith
yuh
lofty depot
Or sotf :/
craggy sonnet
lets not go that far
lofty depot
Gamz playing sotf on lura
craggy sonnet
used to be good in stacked aoe
what timeframe are you referencing here
royal zenith
can only process a specific amount of info at once
lofty depot
Really that last talent is where u want some of your asp gen from
craggy sonnet
for ec it is
lofty depot
And a lot of the time it doesn't matter
craggy sonnet
you never played foe with keeper
royal zenith
Im not debating/discussing you on foe btw
craggy sonnet
at least i cant remember
royal zenith
cause I don't know how it actually functions
lofty depot
Uhh before.....
craggy sonnet
yeah, just saying it is technically still good in stacked aoe with the right hero tree 🙂
so that did not change
royal zenith
that's fair
velvet ember
One more question... I know to use 3 speaders when I get into eclipse. How about after the first 3? Let them build up and spend them all at once, making sure to use them all before eclipse expires or use them as they become available? Save some for movement?
royal zenith
but that would imply we only play it in KOTG cause it's better in ST?
craggy sonnet
the final explosion is uncapped(?)
royal zenith
dunno if you can sim target distance aka, if you can 'stack' mobs
craggy sonnet
maybe you drop UE for it instead
no clue
they are stacked unless you make it otherwise
royal zenith
is there like zero distance in the default stacked?
surely foe has like a distance
radius w.e.
craggy sonnet
i think they are just perfectly stacked per default .. yeah
craggy sonnet
i think its just what you would expect from the default
if you sim 5 targets you expect them all to be hit by starfire cleave
for example
royal zenith
I dunno if wow is a game that is consistent in radius, when it comes to abilities
cause then it would be the expectation ye
finite vapor
I got aetherlumme runners, the engineering boots, simming better for me than Silvermoon agents sneakers, the leather working boots. I’m a bit confused on the difference, and unsure if the engineering ones counts as an embellishment ?
craggy sonnet
its just a different stat spread (single vs split)
and you cant put an actual embellishment on them i think
finite vapor
Ah, so I can go all in on crit on engi ones and have crit/mast on leather working ones ?
craggy sonnet
for example, yes
but which are better are pretty much dependent on the rest of your gear and can technically change
and it shouldnt be a huge diff either way
and if you ever wanted to put arcanoweave on there, you couldnt
finite vapor
Got it, thanks for clarifying!
ruby badger
One more question... I know to use 3 speaders when I get into eclipse. How about...
After the first 3 it doesn't really matter, other than pooling AP if you expect to be moving shortly so you can spend instead of casting
delicate perch
I dunno if wow is a game that is consistent in radius, when it comes to abilitie...
I dunno if wow is a game that is consistent in radius, when it comes to abilities
delicate perch
random wow things don't even surprise me anymore
lofty depot
The amount of times I typhoon adds cuz I think my dks are slow then they grip and that shit flies no where near said knock location....
Insanity man
delicate perch
YEP
lofty depot
No more knocking, only starfalling
delicate perch
I do not press it unless called
lofty depot
Well we wer doing it early on in prog, and now we're just not going to
If I have to knock it's cuz DK is slow and we're likely dead
royal zenith
I don't know how efficient the knocking is, anyway
lofty depot
Lura silly
royal zenith
are we talking lura or like dragons?
delicate perch
press grip
royal zenith
I think you're better of using ring of peace
lofty depot
The fuck we care about dragons week 500
royal zenith
yeah who cares about a knock from some random shit bamkin on lura
lofty depot
Yea, we only have 1 monk
royal zenith
you're a passenger princess
royal zenith
royal zenith
Im actually surprised your guild allows you to do all the things you do
lofty depot
?
U play for or mushroom, neither of which matter and I'm doing boss dam in the process
lofty depot
Huh
They're not calling for knocks I have to anticipate a DK being late
And then he grips anyway and fucks my shitty knock ;/
Cba
delicate perch
dks don't grip on time > you go to help > they grip late > you knock shit everywhere > fkn boomkins!!
sudden flame
sudden flame
dks don't grip on time > you go to help > they grip late > you knock shit everyw...
this is why you vortex the crystals underboss then knock
past warren
Does anyone know if these Archon stats are with or without flask/buffs etc?
maiden pasture
do not aim for certain stat numbers
past warren
It's just for a general guideline to know if I'm way off or not, lol..
royal zenith
It's just for a general guideline to know if I'm way off or not, lol..
is that true, if you're asking about flask buffs tho...
gaunt lantern
that's just whats on their gear
but either way, its not really useful information
it's only telling you what people are doing at specific high keys in a specific context, which isn't useful unless you are playing in the same context
past warren
This is the Raid Stats, not M+
lofty depot
Those aren't particularly good raid stats either.
past warren
I just realised, the reason I'm missing close to 200 mastery is my neck
Gotta spam some BG's i suppose
lofty depot
Pit neck better
lofty depot
Sim your character > funny stat chart
lofty depot
Isn't 23% crit a bit high when i only have 20% mastery?
No
past warren
Sim your character > funny stat chart
Where do i find this? Like where on droptimizer?
lofty depot
U can do that to see which items have the biggest upgrades
U can search gear upgrades on top gear aswell
past warren
Yeah okay, so just sim the necks against eachother i guess
scenic mist
the man dug out a one year old comment i'm flabbergasted
celest rampart
the man dug out a one year old comment i'm flabbergasted
its the only thing that came up on the search
and always search in case its been asked before
digital berry
Yeah okay, so just sim the necks against eachother i guess
That’s kind of what gearing is nowadays. You just sim shit and farm and equip what the sim says is better. Stat weights and bis lists are click bait content
lucid olive
It's just for a general guideline to know if I'm way off or not, lol..
Tusenlapp lol, fattig..
sleek trellis
do i still roll for vaelgors even if its not a mythic?
dense steeple
sim if heroic is an upgrade and if youre ever planning on killing mythic
median palm
In the warwithin, I had my nameplates change colour based on the moonfire and sunfire debuff I put on the buff.
Is there any effective way to track the buffs now like that?
Open to advice please
jolly delta
And debuffs on nameplates
median palm
thank you
past warren
Tusenlapp lol, fattig..
🙁
lucid olive
@void jacinth tanker?
past warren
That’s kind of what gearing is nowadays. You just sim shit and farm and equip wh...
Yeah, I'm very much aware of that, just wanted to hear if anyone knew if that stat-overview was potted/buffed or not, but all i got was just people saying "don't look at it, just sim"...
lucid olive
and they're right
craggy sonnet
that's just whats on their gear
this person did answer you tho
lucid olive
yes and that general guideline is not necessary
normal pilot
it's not useful for a general guideline is the problem
first you don't know if the data the site reports is even correct
past warren
Okok, sorry sorry
void jacinth
<@190072235527110656> tanker?
stor lapp
normal pilot
i'm not sure what they use to get thsoe data since logs can often report incorrect stat info
and archon has been known to simply make shit up in the past and pass it off as 'data'
lucid olive
I'm pretty sure it's a mixture of whatever stats the logs report at start of key and if the logs aren't available it's whatever stats the characters log off in
past warren
Isn't it just a overview of the stats this gear gives?:
lucid olive
not necessarily
normal pilot
logs report a character's stats but sometimes temporary buffs get mixed in
lucid olive
The information looking at archon gear set is also completely irrelevant
normal pilot
so you basically have 2 problems, you don't know how they got that info, and even if that info was true you don't know if they're reporting it truthfully
past warren
True, i guess
But people just straight up assumed i didn't sim and shit, because i was looking at those stats lol
normal pilot
well you're loooking at a data source that is less accurate
lucid olive
Isn't it just a overview of the stats this gear gives?:
The main point is that we don't recommend aggregate data sites like Archon and Murlok.io, because the data is prone to being incorrect + the players whos data you see on there are simming their characters and wearing what the sim says
normal pilot
when you ahve a source that is more accurate available
lucid olive
So if you sim your character and make a choice based on your own sims then using aggregate data sites is just adding a middleman for 0 benefit
normal pilot
ya if you have a good source available like simming then there woudl be no point looking at a worse source
hence the assumption is that you don't have the good source available
past warren
Yeah, my bad. Was wrong of asking at all, i guess
lucid olive
Asking questions and seeking knowledge is never wrong!
Don't be discouraged, sometime the answer you need is not the answer you want, and that's fine
past warren
Yeahyeah, not discouraged, just baffeled over the feedback i got
royal zenith
In tusen's defense
there's still a lot of classes and discords that do promote stats
or talk about 'breakpoints' for their class
(Shadowpriest, ww monk, etc.)
lofty depot
DevilsAdvocate™
royal zenith
just being realistic
pallid bay
stats are very boring
lucid olive
Isn't it just a overview of the stats this gear gives?:
Like take the items in this list for instance. The only items here that are actually relevant are the rings and trinkets.
The rest are there because:
Head - Shoulder - Chest - Legs = the recommended tier items for moonkin, will always have high representation.
Hands - Belt = Catalyst pieces.
When your data is collected through lot of different keys, catalyst pieces will logically have higher representation since they're available for every Druid. The tier gloves are generally not good, and you'd either craft 285 gloves instead or wear crit/mast ones on myth track from raid or m+.
Neck = It's a PVP neck that takes 1 hour to get from a short questline, and it's the only heavy mastery neck available that isn't from L'ura. It's logical why this is on here; it doesn't mean that it should be considered "BIS". If you have access to heroic Lura neck it will be better.
Cloak - Wrists - Weapon = They're crafted items. These will also generally have higher representation since they're deterministic, but that does not mean they are better than other items in that slot you have available to you. Weapon from Skyreach and Nexus Point are both better than crafted assuming you recraft to 2x Arcanoweave.
pallid bay
you cant shift them in any meaningful way for most specs
royal zenith
you cant shift them in any meaningful way for most specs
yep this
lucid olive
I guess the breakpoints that exist for some specs are like "you need at least this much haste to fit X amount of Y spell in your B cooldown"
or something more like "if you're above 110% haste you cast X spell instead of Y spell"
royal zenith
yeah for like ww monk they specifically talk about the haste breakpoint for using recklessness pot etc.
which could be true, but you can also find these by just simming
lucid olive
yeah
past warren
Like take the items in this list for instance. The only items here that are actu...
Yeah makes good sense. I fked up a bit and crafted hands quite early, but doesn't really matter i guess
lofty depot
Crafting hands isnt wrong
past warren
Yeah
lofty depot
Use crests in effective slots >
lucid olive
Crafted items, catalyst items and other deterministic items will automatically have higher representation on lists like that
doesn't mean the items are good
dense steeple
then dont sign up bro wdym???
lofty depot
then dont sign up bro wdym???
Asserted dominance
dense steeple
that idiot on top queuing as a healer put a note saying "boomy"
as if i want 2 boomies?
lofty depot
Yeah
Btw, u should sim the % Crit dam enchant on your rings... For no particular reason
drifting nova
then dont sign up bro wdym???
patience for charity work ran out
craggy sonnet
Btw, u should sim the % Crit dam enchant on your rings... For no particular reas...
💀
lofty depot
as if i want 2 boomies?
Big dam
past warren
Btw, u should sim the % Crit dam enchant on your rings... For no particular reas...
Wdym?
lucid olive
I still can't believe they buffed the best enchant in the game just because they couldn't fix the tooltip
past warren
You looked at my char i assume? And it says Zul'jin Mastery cause old info?
craggy sonnet
Btw, u should sim the % Crit dam enchant on your rings... For no particular reas...
btw, you should sim the crit dmg meta gem .. no particular reason
lucid olive
using zuljin mastery is old info ye
lofty depot
Well it's from Wednesday so surely not old but shrug
But mastery enchants have been worse for me for a while
lucid olive
Well it's from Wednesday so surely not old but shrug
eyes of the eagle been best enchant since launch..
past warren
Yeah, i just enchanted them over to Eagle today
scenic mist
yo guys i have 22% haste and 31% mastery
should i get more crit ?
nm player btw
lofty depot
btw, you should sim the crit dmg meta gem .. no particular reason
Well it's not better yet silly
lucid olive
yo guys i have 22% haste and 31% mastery
should i get more crit ?
nm player btw
get more baguette and less croissant
craggy sonnet
get better gear .. wth
lofty depot
I need another socket
lucid olive
should get you there
scenic mist
Is a baguette Crit....
we do have baguette mastery
lofty depot
Well that's mastery but u want Crit so that doesn't make sense
lofty depot
Why all ur shit just dough
Like some funny name but it's a dough ball with salt or some shit
"delicacy"
scenic mist
dough is made from eggs and flour, typical druid ingredients
lofty depot
Some osrs shit
eager raft
Guys if you see deux tell him I say hi
lofty depot
He sees what u said, but is ignoring it
royal zenith
teal sphinx
Guys if you see respectable tell him i said hi
lofty depot
He has nothing better to do, he'll respond in a little bit
tight dirge
New to balance but ran a couple heroic bosses today. I probably desynced my CDs but curious what else I may be screwing up. High ilvl parse but low parse and feel like there was a lot left on table
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NtR8fkZQAzc7Cy2j?fight=46&type=damage-done
main phoenix
New to balance but ran a couple heroic bosses today. I probably desynced my CDs...
I would probably blame your godawful trinkets, but others will do the judgement based on casts
lucid olive
New to balance but ran a couple heroic bosses today. I probably desynced my CDs...
I wouldn't look at ilvl parse much considering you're 258 with overall subpar gear
here's the vorasius log through wowanalyzer
you need more active time during your CDs
most of your CDs are used properly though and you seem to have the sequence down
I would probably enter Eclipse before using my CDs on pull on this boss though
You end up holding your 2nd set of Treants/Incarn for the add spawns later, so you have time in opener to use Eclipse and build some resources before using your cooldowns
tight dirge
Thanks! Would I enter regular eclipse or use CE and pop them in the opener
lucid olive
Generally when you play Incarn you want to enter Eclipse first to get it on cooldown
How much of that Eclipse you play out depends on the fight
Since Incarn lasts 20 seconds that means your Eclipse is also sitting capped at 2 charges for 20 seconds
when you play Convoke it's not as big since CA only lasts 15 seconds
tight dirge
Ah, that makes sense
lucid olive
Looking at your Salhadaar it also seems like you're taking your time between GCDs in the opener
like the gap between FoE and Treants here is longer than your GCD
Also not sure why your first 2 spells are Moonfire
tight dirge
Salad I was distracted at the pull there but yeah, I scuffed that one up bad
I need to use the cursor macro for trees
lucid olive
You can do [@player] macro for Treants if it makes it easier for you
You lose out on some melee dmg from the trees but that doesn't actually matter all that much
might be easier to do if you're still learning the spec since it doesn't require you to aim anything
tight dirge
Yeah, I will do that for the time being. Makes sense to not have to worry about it
lucid olive
you also spend a lot of globals dotting the mobs on Salhadaar
probably better to just slam boss and press Starfall as your spender to cleave adds
tight dirge
Is it good to let starfall take care of them?
Ok, I wasnt sure on that but it is a waste of a few global I could have spent elsewhere
lofty depot
It's heroic, u can maybe dot the "other" big orb ur not targeting, but shit dies in 4 seconds u shouldn't be dotting it
tight dirge
It more depends on how long they last right
lucid olive
yes
but in those 5 Sunfire casts in that screenshot
1 was on an immune add
1 was on boss
and 2 were on the same add consecutively
Typically when people are casting Sunfire/Moonfire too much it's because they get caught out by movement and don't know what else to press
stark trellis
Depends what ur doing
first boss in mythic
lucid olive
Typically single target fights without adds
stark trellis
kindda wanna know the idea
lofty depot
Incarn in mythic pretty much always
lucid olive
in Voidspire you don't play Convoke on any boss really
tight dirge
Typically when people are casting Sunfire/Moonfire too much it's because they ge...
That’s probably exactly what happened
lofty depot
If there's adds u don't play convoke
stark trellis
running this atm
lofty depot
Unless the priority isn't adds
stark trellis
w keeper
lofty depot
Depending on the fight, u should take off UE and use goldrinn
eager raft
Guys if you see respectable tell him i said hi
Hey bepis
lucid olive
That’s probably exactly what happened
Yeah.. Moonkin is a proactive spec, which means that you should always have a "get out of jail free" card ready for whenever a fight has forced movement, and that just comes from practice and repetition + being aware of what the specific mechanics on the fight ask of you.
Always have some AP saved up for when you know there's movement coming; like the intermission beams on Salhadaar, or dodging the spikes that shoot out from players.
It's also good to use Wild Charge aggressively since you can use instant casts like Starsurge and Starfall during the animation.
lucid olive
This is also just stuff that applies to every caster spec in the game in one way or another
lofty depot
That’s probably exactly what happened
Ur also not casting wild charge ever
lucid olive
Ideally you should always be mentally aware of what happens 10+ seconds ahead of where you currently are in the fight, so you can make the best decision now and plan ahead.
With practice and repetition you begin to recognize similar parts of fights and how to deal with certain mechanics, since boss fights across several seasons are not very different. Dodging rings on Smolderon and Kurog is the same thing as dodging rings on Vorasius; bank some AP and micro-step the ring during a Starsurge global
It just takes a bit to build up that muscle memory and intuition
tight dirge
Thank you all! I will practice all that stuff
lucid olive
The most awkward thing in the game is being caught out by movement without any resources and waddling over for a mechanic while pressing Sunfire/Moonfire..
stark trellis
Depending on the fight, u should take off UE and use goldrinn
whats the reason, forgot to ask
wanna learn
lucid olive
whats the reason, forgot to ask
no special reason tbh
i don't agree you should take off UE tho
good talent
lucid olive
Meteorites is the useless one in that build considering he's doing Imperator
lofty depot
Nah, that shit blasts
tight dirge
I main WW so know the fights but melee vs range need to get used to the caster on them and obviously this newer class to me.
Definitely caught myself hitting sunfire/moonfire during movement and not planning accordingly. Also need to get used to wild charge and stuff. Will practice all this and the rotation more.
Thank you for the help @lucid olive and @lofty depot
lofty depot
Meteorites hitting the immune adds perma
Imagine it gave asp
lucid olive
top log played meteorites and it did 2.7% of his overall dam
lofty depot
I main WW so know the fights but melee vs range need to get used to the caster o...
Need to understand that yes dotting is better than nothing, but it's the 2nd worst option when u could be pressing starfall or surge
2.7% good
lucid olive
85 hits on mob that barely took dam
lofty depot
Goldrinn does less I think :/
lucid olive
its also completely useless dam since the mobs disappear when you soak the thing
lucid olive
why
lucid olive
I never take meteorites on that fight
lucid olive
i played this last time
might swap out goldrinn tho that shit was useless
I'm a SOTF believer now
brisk goblet
Hey guys, I want to run a sim in Raidbots but I’m not sure how to do it for a Druid
fickle pier
brisk goblet
it always throws me an error. Do you know how it should be set up for Mythic+?
lucid olive
Read FAQ in #1473018731687841853
brisk goblet
Thanks guys, appreciate it
buoyant marlin
guys when doing not-so-high keys like 10s, what can we choose on ec build? like for example should i swap aetherial kindling with meteor storm etc?
i mean what can we change*
lofty depot
If shits dying so fast that ur making decisions about how to do more damage faster, it won't really matter cuz ur gonna time the key regardless
You might do 5-10k more DPS overall but ur pinching pennies
buoyant marlin
haha 😄 yeah probably
lofty depot
You could likely post a log and I could teach u how to play better and gain more damage than a talent swap
buoyant marlin
coudl make sense let me see i think i logged couple 10s
buoyant marlin
You could likely post a log and I could teach u how to play better and gain more...
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nF83H2pJqGRw9ydk?fight=197 here i did like 100k, boomie was my main but i swapped after geting to 15keys i wasnt doing enough, since then i do 10 keys for weekly
buoyant marlin
yeah i cant manage that green aoes on first pull to use instants while moving
lofty depot
Concentrated on padding
Little rat
Ur often casting starfire first global
U should be casting surge prior to it
buoyant marlin
ah why i didnt know
vital hound
Little rat
lofty depot
Manage ur CDs better
Casting wrath in incarn
Ur thinking about minmaxing wrath too much
buoyant marlin
yeah it was writing use wrath out of eclipse
lofty depot
Looks like u did another cast 3 moonfires on the big pull before vexmus
lofty depot
yeah it was writing use wrath out of eclipse
That's the use case
And uve press wrath in lunar eclipse and in incarn
That wrath is in incarn
lofty depot
Not particularly no
copper gate
Ya I’m getting rotted to death I had to ask
lofty depot
U could likely do it, might require a beacon
But yea being not good against rot and actively taking a mechanic that rots u, isn't exactly smart
If ur on lura now, surely u have better classes to hold it
lofty depot
We have 2 dev, 1 spr, 1 lock 1 hunter 1 Aug doing it
Ur ele shouldn't likely be holding it either tbf
But shrug
copper gate
Yeah someone else told me the two of us shouldn’t be crystal carriers but didn’t suggest who else to assign
But ok, SP fire mage let’s see if I get ignored
lofty depot
Tanky and or mobile
Devs leech forever and have 3 blinks for fun
Warlock doesnt die to anything so naturely good at it
buoyant marlin
That wrath is in incarn
So basically i shouldnt use wrath generally 😄 also need to manage incarn and eclipse better, and also abc i guess
lofty depot
Yea u shouldn't be using wrath generally
buoyant marlin
look at this absolute fucking unit
first thing came to my mind is druid on diablo4 :d
round field
why does bro look like he just did the kylie jenner lip challenge
lucid olive
look at this absolute fucking unit
is that diablo or baldurs gate
i literally can not tell
royal zenith
d4
round field
that looks nothing like bg3??????????
pseudo merlin
is that diablo or baldurs gate
d4
pseudo merlin
no idea how you even like these type of mogs
everything just looks bad on the D4 druid
you can't mog that thing
Have you seen Judgment tho?
That set is beautiful
I think they did pretty well with all of them tbh
normal pilot
at least d4 did druid right with auto shifting
royal zenith
it's 2k26 and still no auto shifting
craggy sonnet
Depending on the fight, u should take off UE and use goldrinn
shouldnt you take goldrinn on every fight except dragons and vanguard?
lofty depot
Depends how much ur pressing starfall to surge
craggy sonnet
yes fair. but which fight dont you do that?
and i believe it is still the best point to spend vs competition in all other fights
maybe not
lofty depot
Depends what talent u think it's fighting
Technically since dps isn't a problem yet I could drop it for p1 Lura and take AC
craggy sonnet
idk any other talent thats not a lock
lucid olive
just start believing in SOTF
craggy sonnet
no ty
lucid olive
greatly improves movement parts of Eclipse, especially during fights with sharp movement like Lura
is good on both ST and AoE since its just flat more resource gen
craggy sonnet
you mean its equally bad for both :3
lofty depot
Gamz just needs to be a wild mushroom believer
dull dust
shrooms
next tierset is shrooms
its been at least 1 tier without shroom set so next is shroom
dull dust
what about moon tierset
pseudo merlin
stick to warrior bub
drifting nova
wish I could
lofty depot
what about moon tierset
2p, Full moon now leaves a shattered moon residue pool dealing 150% sp, pool lasts 10s (Capped to 8)
4p, Enemies effected by pool take 20% increased damage from surge and starfall.
Lock that in
drifting nova
reminds me of whatever covenant ability hunters got in sl
yknow the one tanks kept dragging mobs out of
so it did fuck all
lofty depot
Gonna cast FM in opener so then in the middle of incarn u get FM proc to extend it
Surely they buff shooting stars after this tier or aura I suppose :/
Gonna need god otherwise
drifting nova
did I hear you say starfire
royal zenith
dull dust
royal zenith
they should make sunfire the main ability
drifting nova
just make sunfire and moonfire combine during incarn
something I begged for in like df
drifting nova
the ramp is not it
drifting nova
delete apex
royal zenith
all this other shit about entering/exiting eclipses
drifting nova
fixed
royal zenith
out
dull dust
im a rogue now actually
dull dust
lucid olive
isn't every dot spec in the game basically the same now
drifting nova
well yeah
dull dust
all 2 of them
drifting nova
blizz have hated dot classes for like half a decade
especially spread ones like balance and affliction
even spriest
lucid olive
dot specs are also really hard to balance
dull dust
nah
dull dust
blizz pretends they are
dull dust
u can deffinitly make a dot class that isnt broken on spread cleave but good on st
lofty depot
im a rogue now actually
Rogues complaining and shit now outlaw good
dull dust
outlaw actually so much fun
lofty depot
Spr is good at both those things
loud kettle
u can deffinitly make a dot class that isnt broken on spread cleave but good on ...
can put it in on a melee spec
free
dull dust
drifting nova
god I wish warrior ST wasnt booty
dull dust
like a cat type spec
loud kettle
dont be silly
lucid olive
I think probably every DoT at this point is either "build resources to use this button that does good dam" or "use this DoT to proc X amount of other effects that increases your dam"
like the 1st one is Shadow Word: Madness or w/e the fuck SP has now and the 2nd one is Vampiric Touch
loud kettle
which one is rake
drifting nova
making me want to level my lock now
surely affliction isnt that bad
whens next timewalking so I can brain off
lucid olive
which one is rake
in this context it's a maintenance buff
loud kettle
whats it buffing silly
drifting nova
does resto go into cat much anymore
loud kettle
its the second one for wildstalker, but for dotc all it does is dam
drifting nova
for what
pseudo merlin
FOR FUN KEKKERS
FOR FUN
IT WAS FUN
god it's exactly people like you they ruin the game for
drifting nova
god it's exactly people like you they ruin the game for
LISTEN HERE BUB i LOGGED IN FOR 13NANOSECONDS TO SPIT AT MY VAULT
drifting nova
loud kettle
minor spelling error detected
real flax
quick question, it's better to have an st build in the first 3 bosses to have a better parse? everyone blast the adds in every boss and i feel i have no time at all to try to aoe
fickle pier
to have a better parse? no.
real flax
obv the best parses are with aoe builds but i can't deal the dmg in time
fickle pier
Yeah, so you're going to have a lower parse.
real flax
all mobs blows up so fast
fickle pier
You're not going to outparse the guy getting perfect aoe value on 10 target burst cleave when you're doing patchwerk
delicate perch
only boss damage parses matter
fickle pier
I agree
Trying to parse on cleave fights a month after they're on farm and your melee is 20ilvls higher is futile
All you can do is mushroom snipe the pad on dragons and piss off your devos at this point
lofty depot
quick question, it's better to have an st build in the first 3 bosses to have a ...
blast the adds better
real flax
blast the adds better
not working 
hexed jolt
im really struggling with dps in low keys. is it dotting > eclipse+incarn then spam starfall, starfire.
rocky radish
hi everyone, I have a question, I have crafted weapon and crafted bracers, the embellish are arcanowave and darkmoon sigil hunt, now I dropped a myth weapon with coins, Corespark Multitool Mythic, is worth to equip myth weapon and do a double craft with arrcanowave? or is better to mantain hunt? thank you all
lofty depot
im really struggling with dps in low keys. is it dotting > eclipse+incarn then ...
what is a low key
lofty depot
hi everyone, I have a question, I have crafted weapon and crafted bracers, the e...
sim it
hexed jolt
+10
lofty depot
yes u should be dotting things
dull dust
i hate boomkins
lofty depot
the idea is dot everything that will live, foe, incarn, spam starfall as much as possible
lofty depot
i hate boomkins
WHAT
drifting nova
i hate boomkins
me 2
drifting nova
very bad
dull dust
cant lie
drifting nova
no dam
prehistoric defensives
howd we go from "we hate entering bear form to survive"
to "now do it and use a button"
lofty depot
<@&114146878353833984>
lofty depot
imagine not telling thr staff they are cute when u ping for bot
why would i think any of them are cute
dull dust
w t f
mighty mica
hmmm
dull dust
lofty depot
boff?
dull dust
boffa
dense steeple
@royal zenith hi
stray sierra
quick question am i supposed to send my fury of elune before or after I pop incarn?
lucid olive
before if theyre available at the same time
stray sierra
ty
wintry widget
my guild always makes fun of me for wild charging off the edge of things or into things and i havent done it in foreever but i just did it on crown prog
cries
delicate perch
well don't do that then?
wintry widget
but its so fun
lucid olive
my guild always makes fun of me for wild charging off the edge of things or into...
gg
it happens to everyone
wintry widget
smacks all of you
drifting nova
I did it on chim
delicate perch
makes me laugh every time
I wish I had my version of it
last jump
gate on cd (????)
its fine I can wild charge
wild charge on cd???
jump anyway
dead
delicate perch
staying on the platform is just a suggestion
drifting nova
not in the journal
lucid olive
<a:ICANTT:1262915118316912690> makes me laugh every time
mess up the jump once and get insta clip farmed
lucid olive
no he was too busy grinning as he watched me fall down
lucid olive
i woulda probably done the same tbh
frank scaffold
guys, which guide should I follow for mythic dps? I feel like they're outdated
drifting nova
are the changes in the room with us?
lofty depot
guys, which guide should I follow for mythic dps? I feel like they're outdated
Which one is and or what part is out dated
lofty depot
JUSTICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
ripe slate
buff bamkin
lofty depot
WAIT WTF IS THIS
lofty depot
where's our changes
lofty depot
yea right
dull dust
lofty depot
this just means ill be able to do more add damage soon
lofty depot
ive been playing it the whole time silly
lofty depot
have u considered pressing it better
dull dust
lofty depot
i pot 2nd set but has no trinket :/
lofty depot
surely pot first set do more boss dam :/
stone oasis
How did we dodge the buff train 😭
zenith marsh
How did we dodge the buff train 😭
you dont need a buff
lofty depot
we dont need a buff if everyone above us get nerfed
stone oasis
Truuu
zenith marsh
they literally murderd alleria 😄
nimble tangle
we dont need a buff if everyone above us get nerfed
I don’t see demo lock nerf yet
zenith marsh
i am just glad they are nerfing DK
nimble tangle
I still think demo lock is the major threat to boomie, in keys
Rdruid small nerf
DK big nerf DH nerf Aug nerf Bree nerf
This is against meta
zenith marsh
the devourer nerfs arent that big
lofty depot
I don’t see demo lock nerf yet
u can beat them
zenith marsh
@nimble tangle like you acting as if boomkin isnt doing very good AOE dmg and have decent Boss dmg
its just being overshadowed cuz resto is really really strong
lucid olive
u can beat them
I swear people just go "this spec does the most dmg in my guild cause the player is good, i think they should nerf the spec it is clearly overpowered"
lofty depot
its ok, resto and bear got nerfed so were good
lofty depot
I swear people just go "this spec does the most dmg in my guild cause the player...
mmhm mmhm
lucid olive
i think they should nerf enha shaman, wordup always beats me when hes on it!
ripe slate
waiting for the day they add an m+ aura to spells like they did for pvp so they can stop doing stupid changes that affect raid for m+
lofty depot
this is actually bad cuz it nerfs my delve build :/
lucid olive
waiting for the day they add an m+ aura to spells like they did for pvp so they ...
you think so until you spend 2 expansions bad at both
then you realize it never mattered
ripe slate
i love the nerfing a billion classes so lura is just harder next week for no reason
surely they just havent decided on lura nerfs
cause that belo nerf is ognna mean there's like 500 guilds chain wiping p1 lura at the same time next week
lucid olive
they made the egg last 40 seconds cause there is no 30 second option on raidbots
lofty depot
30s option if ur smart
dull dust
they made the egg last 40 seconds cause there is no 30 second option on raidbots
I hope thats cannon lore
arctic
ripe slate
Lmao
lucid olive
just play out 2 incarns
lofty depot
strat would be to hold trees past control. so u get 2 trees inside ur cds during egg
lucid olive
fill in some solar between CA if you play convoke
dull dust
yeah u neeed control now
lucid olive
you always used control
i assume he means early spring
early spring + control is 30 seconds
lofty depot
whats the lura nerfs....
lucid olive
whats the lura nerfs....
after hof closes hopefully
lofty depot
they nerfed a bunch of shit, that doesnt make sense sir
lofty depot
ye
lofty depot
im not asking for nerfs to be fair
they nerfed people that do damage to my adds
im locked
delicate perch
<@129188899741237248> thanks for the buffs dude
my bad the intern made a mistake it'll be an update post that those numbers were nerfs not buffs
stray sierra
im not sure what im doing wrong for my parse to be so low on heroic lura, could anyone maybe give any tips? I could post my logs
lofty depot
posting logs might help
snow elm
XD
stray sierra
lol
snow elm
im not even a bear main i just tank when i cant find one
lofty depot
so u press trees before incarn not during it
as do u foe
also before we get too far
go ahead and sim some differences
smh
eelers
same thing here
sent this tree at the end of eclipse
right before u would incarn
dull dust
imagine if this was 4% class resorce
stray sierra
eelers
lol ive been spotted XD
so would i want to hold my trees to use before my eclipses?
lofty depot
think ur likely spending too much asp on starfall
lucid olive
Use Treants before Eclipse or CA/Incarnation
lofty depot
so would i want to hold my trees to use before my eclipses?
and or incarns yes
u shouldnt ideally be using it ever at the end of either of those
lucid olive
preferably CA/Incarn since its a more powerful cooldown
fiery kindle
They forgot about us again
stray sierra
think ur likely spending too much asp on starfall
yeah I was dumping a lot when adds spawn, should I only use like 1 or 2?
lofty depot
well ur not talented into the pad starfall
fiery kindle
wow devs checking logs > boomk raid good > hold this class 
lofty depot
and ur spamming starfall when theyre like 90% dead
stray sierra
well ur not talented into the pad starfall
oh which talent?
hardy hazel
do we have a bis gear list including embel crafitng and ascendant voidcore?
lofty depot
bis lists are cringe click bait
sim your character and ull find the gear thats best for u
frank scaffold
guys, when you cast incapacitating roar or something else that shifts you out of moonkin, do you cast manually again moonkin form before continuing your rotation? or am I missing something (dps newbie here)
lofty depot
guys, when you cast incapacitating roar or something else that shifts you out of...
theres a talent called fluid form
u can cast wrath/starfire back into moonkin
frank scaffold
u can cast wrath/starfire back into moonkin
oh I just saw it right. the tree I imported doesn't alocate it. are you using it?
dense steeple
You generally end up dropping a defensive point for it so its more of do you want whatever you throw away to live or do you want to save a global
But realistically the defensive point also isn't saving your life
So its almost troll to not take it
frank scaffold
for instance, dropping Perfectly-honed instincts?
it's a nice defensive but honestly also kind of useless if you're good avoiding free dmg, right?
dense steeple
Sure
lucid olive
I guess it's just QoL but also kind of a waste? hmm
yeah its QoL more than anything
the Wrath/Starfire cast that shifts you into Moonkin Form doesn't benefit from the Moonkin Form buff either
Fluid Form can for sure mitigate some lost uptime from shifting tho
I just never know what talents to drop for it tbh
the bottom part of the class tree feels stacked but you have so few points
frank scaffold
Pretty nice QoL already using it hehe
btw, another question (not irnonically asking). I've been a healer my whole life, no kidding... and I'm just trying balance but, when I queue for groups I queue as healer even tho I'm already on balance spec and selecting balance loot. How do I switch to dps for queueing? .__.
lucid olive
this shows up when you queue
if it doesnt show up then you have some addon with "auto select role check" on
frank scaffold
Ahhh.. it's an addon it's fking me up that I've always used then XD
didn't even remember that pop up was a thing
I just clic once and queues me haha thx
lucid olive
in that case i also think you can go to the dungeon finder tabs and select it there?
yeah you can
its the same option panel
i never noticed before
frank scaffold
guys, do you ever use wrath?
fair pasture
lofty depot
i just want like 5% :[
ur like 5% closer to dh its fine
lofty depot
typically when people ask "do u use wrath" theyre playing ec in m+
fair pasture
Ok
I got really scared for a second
40 seconds on egg is too long
Or it's not idk
STOP NERFING THINGS
true cedar
On a scale of 1-10 where would you place boomy performance currently in m+ / raid respectively
1 being fire mage 10 being demon hunter (prior to upcoming nerfs)
lofty depot
7
delicate perch
typically when people ask "do u use wrath" theyre playing ec in m+
imagine he wasn't though 
lofty depot
i will not be imagining that
fair pasture
Imagine a giant moonkin but it's a big round pig guy but he's got feathers and he's floating around thinking about basketball and only goes "meow meow"
lofty depot
yea thats cavey
fair pasture
Who dat
lofty depot
"people"
delicate perch
