balance

[silk veldt]

They said any items rolled after the fix apply to the loot tables

[round field]

thats what u get for rolling skyreach tbh

[silk veldt]

But any before do not

So if you rolled skyreach before the fix you can still get duplicates now

But it will cross it off the loot table now

[lucid olive]

yes I wouldn't call that fixed

[lucid olive]

3/7 items were upgrades

[round field]

bad odds

ngl

[silk veldt]

I mean that’s what blizzard called a fix

[lucid olive]

best odds I had for the items I needed

[silk veldt]

Xdd blizzard bug fixes

[round field]

i mean

if u spent rerolls and get the refunded

you lose nothing

[lucid olive]

sure

[silk veldt]

But some people spent rolls, got their items then got refunded. Those are the luck balls

[round field]

sure getting a cloak again would suck but at least then its working normally

[lucid olive]

I used 1 reroll before the fix so I should only be refunded 1

[round field]

i used 0

[lucid olive]

I'm still technically behind since I'll be refunded 1 compared to people who got luckier with rolls + get refunded

but it doesn't matter

[exotic perch]

I held my rolls so i get no bonus

[lucid olive]

cause I would've been behind people who got luckier with rolls anyway

that's just how gearing works

[round field]

this is like

reverse exploit early

[exotic perch]

All our raiders who rolled on chimerus and got gaze are eating good

[charred mango]

I want everyone in my raid to roll a gaze on our next kill so we never have to go back there

[royal zenith]

anyone that rolled gets refunded?

[lucid olive]

The sentence needs to get changed

[royal zenith]

cause that's a dumb blanket 'solution'

if true

[lucid olive]

"If you find out Blizzard fucked up something, then you should do the worst thing possible"

[round field]

trueee

[lucid olive]

I guess what they actually said was "any character that was affected by this bug"

whether that means only people who got duplicates or not

who knows

[charred mango]

not much else they could really do - can’t roll back people’s items when they may have already used crests and enchants etc, can’t not refund people, can’t selectively refund

[lucid olive]

I guess people read it and assume the worst version of it since it's Blizzard

[charred mango]

I think they have to refund everyone because they can’t add the items you already rolled to the dupe protection

so even people who didn’t get duplicates are partly affected

[round field]

and then u have

random andy

who rolled twice

got 2 bis

never needs to roll dungeon again

and has 2 items extra for free

[silk veldt]

[charred mango]

yep

[royal zenith]

can always cherry pick the scenario that fits your narrative best anyway

[round field]

i wish i was the random andy

[royal zenith]

iqni will definitely select something to complain about

[round field]

of course

[exotic perch]

But at least that random andy doesnt help myth crests

[charred mango]

random Andy is the big winner, but this solution leaves nobody having lost anything but an opportunity

[exotic perch]

Since those are still capped

[lucid olive]

ye what spy said

[royal zenith]

everybody becomes a millionaire if you just trade stocks

[lucid olive]

you're still limited by crests

[silk veldt]

I didn’t even know about the bug but I’m glad I’m random Andy

[royal zenith]

instagram told me so

so it must be true

[round field]

im not limited by crests

i still havent capped

the possibilities are endless

[charred mango]

and ya the rolled items still require at least 80 crests per

[royal zenith]

bro thinks he's badass cause he started 4 weeks late

😭

[round field]

💪

[round field]

technically

slam roll in mythic raid

profit

[charred mango]

was talking about dungeon items because nobody who rolled raid got a dupe protection problem

ig if you rolled an item you want from a later boss you get the item at a higher track and also your roll back but that’s a tiny handful of people

[round field]

are you sure

what about next week

[charred mango]

and they can also still roll that item again from that boss so it would be a later boss where you needed one item and got it

[lofty depot]

Has anyone gotten bonus rolls back yet tho

They never said when

:/

[charred mango]

wouldn’t be surprised if it took til reset but who knows

[round field]

They said hopefully within a day

[lofty depot]

It better fucking not

I need upgrades for Monday when we kill belo

[charred mango]

copefully

[sharp apex]

are not able to sim crafted items anymore?

[lucid olive]

you can

[grim crater]

I finally got ommission of light and occlusion of the void

I haven't simed it yet. How frequently does that twilight barrage occur, and generally how much damage does it do?

[lucid olive]

about 0.5% in a 5 min sim

enough for the combo to be better than other rings

but not by much

also you should probably have simmed it before starting to farm them

[royal zenith]

But the icy veins bis list…

[drifting nova]

its not on the noxxic list

[jolly delta]

@lucid olive can we do a bis section

not having one is hurting my SEO

[craggy sonnet]

true

gotta grab some clicks

[lucid olive]

not happening

[jolly delta]

i promise it's a net positive trust

[lucid olive]

i get enough flame already whenever 1 item is different across the 2 guides that have them

[jolly delta]

you gotta lose some to win some

[lucid olive]

you can add one yourself

[jolly delta]

bet

[sly wadi]

sus.jpg

[jolly delta]

i'll just yoink the wowhead one and have it be autoupdated

[lucid olive]

I imagine I'll spend less time on DG as the expansion keeps going

[jolly delta]

bought off gg

[rough flax]

Just upload your own weekly sims

[lucid olive]

it's by far the guide i have received the most "what does this mean, this is worded weirdly" feedback and had to go back and make edits on

[jolly delta]

because explaining complicated things is complicated

there is still enourmous value

well, enourmous

[lucid olive]

I can't spend the time on it that I would like to

[jolly delta]

depends on how much you care about a spec on wow

[lucid olive]

this expansion release cycle I ended up shoving aside bunch of IRL stuff that I should've prioritized instead

[royal zenith]

Compendium is way too complicated for normies…

[lucid olive]

DG doesn't pay

and something has got to give

[jolly delta]

speaking of

paywall when

[lucid olive]

if you paywall DG i am definitely out

[jolly delta]

my man

it's the 50th time we're having this discussion and im never serious

[dense steeple]

Wait gamz isnt paying the fee?

[lucid olive]

I think Tettles paid it last

[jolly delta]

tettles didnt yet because i didnt move it off vercel yet

but he offered ye

[lucid olive]

but yeah, I care too much about Compendium and DG for the quality to dip

and I don't have the time and energy to do everything at once

Compendium has also always been an open source project that anybody can contribute to

and I'm more than happy to show someone how it works if they're willing to spend the time on it

[jolly delta]

yeah let's keep telling ourselves that

[lofty depot]

That's why he dms me all the time

He's trying to make me do it

[lucid olive]

not really

I DM you because I have a severe case of "if I have a thought then I need to share that thought with someone or I explode"

[lofty depot]

I'm the trash can, what the helly

[royal zenith]

Well, yeah

[lofty depot]

The tm in deux™ means trash man

[royal zenith]

I take the trash cans out

Wanna see

[lofty depot]

👀

[primal birch]

hey guy6s new to the group few weeks now but after been in it much i mained boomie in midnight for a change over my pala tank tat i have since cata but wah i really wanna know is im ilvl 271 but i seem to be doing way less damage to my guildie tat rolls same spec now he lil more geared than me but doing nearly double the dps so im here looking for help to improve all round if yous can help please

[rough flax]

Proof reader*

[lucid olive]

no that's @vital hound

[lofty depot]

Yea they look at everything then send me to mustard proof it

[lofty depot]

slow to dot
not using cds
dying
too many cacelled casts
pick 1-4 of those or all and change it

[rough flax]

Did you compare your logs ?

[lofty depot]

Feel free to post a log

[lucid olive]

You reckon we win vs Brentford monday?

[primal birch]

yeah logs are close enough same spells but my dmg is like half now i know he like ilvl279 or 80 but didnt think would be tat much of a diffrence

[drifting nova]

tf you mean we

[lucid olive]

royal we

[primal birch]

anything possible but knowing united we will lose to them haha

[drifting nova]

[lucid olive]

yeah it's scary

[lofty depot]

He thinks he's on the team

[lucid olive]

I have more faith in the Liverpool game the week after

[drifting nova]

thats it, my norweigan team is....

[lucid olive]

Bodø?

[drifting nova]

HamKam

[lucid olive]

nice

i like their stadium

[drifting nova]

..why oh why do 3rd and 4th get european football?

sort your league out wtf

[lucid olive]

why does 5th get CL in UK

[drifting nova]

number too high

this year its 7 tho

probably idk what the rules are

[lucid olive]

7 for total european competition i think

[drifting nova]

if arsenal and forest/villa win the europa league

[lucid olive]

5th plays CL qualifier

[drifting nova]

if they both win they both get it

[lucid olive]

you don't get an extra team just cause someone wins either right

[drifting nova]

you do, for both

[lucid olive]

Tottenham won the EL last season so they took someone elses spot instead

[drifting nova]

spose it being arsenal it wont be 7, but it couldve been with spurs

given how poor the domestic league is

[lucid olive]

or maybe they changed that rule actually

I saw UK had 6 teams in this years CL

since Tottenham finished like 15h but won the Europa

[drifting nova]

coeffiencent stonks

[lucid olive]

man I hope they get relegated

fuck tottenham

[lofty depot]

So he gonna post log.or

[lucid olive]

hope Man City wins the league instead of Arsenal too

[drifting nova]

other 18 wet dream if arsenal also bottle the league

[lucid olive]

Arsenal football is so bad

[drifting nova]

[deft granite]

🙁

[lucid olive]

hell yeah let's do another corner

and flood the keeper with 5 of our tallest defenders

[deft granite]

Modern Stoke

[lucid olive]

oh we didn't score? thats okay just shoot the ball into someone for a deflection and then try again!!

that fucking long throw-in shit the PL started with this season as well

every time I see Dalot backpedal for a long throw-in I turn the TV off and count to 30

[deft granite]

Set piece again olé olé

[lucid olive]

[primal birch]

@lofty depot gonna do it now 1 sec

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1t4fNhw6ZCXcYKPy?fight=31&type=damage-done

[lofty depot]

Well u only moonfired 2

U send ur foe out of sequence

[wide dawn]

for leveling at lvl 87 do i start delve quest first or profession

[lofty depot]

Delves

Profession XP is capped

So getting as close to 90 saves gold and time going backwards

Also just tidbit warmode on when turning in quests

[primal birch]

so what my doe is out of sequence is 1 the issues

[lucid olive]

You want to do the delve quests at 80-81

since they're easier at lower levels

[wide dawn]

i mean im lvl 87 now

and done all 😄

but which i start first or wont matter?

[lucid olive]

which one is you

i assume its the bottom one

[lucid olive]

doesnt matter no

[lofty depot]

U said ur casts are the dame

[primal birch]

blue

[lofty depot]

But they're not but regardless u Starfall on 2t +

[lucid olive]

if you're the Vukovic guy in that log then Arctic was looking at wrong guy

[primal birch]

no im boomadan

[lucid olive]

alright

[lofty depot]

No I'm on boom silly

[lucid olive]

idk what you meant with blue then

This is what is costing you the most damage

you're spending egregious amount of time walking and not doing anything

[primal birch]

i know i might sound like noob n sorry for all this just wanna try improve

[lofty depot]

Little stroll through the park

[lucid olive]

don't be sorry

[lucid olive]

if someone didn't want to look at your logs and help out then they wouldn't do it

but yeah I think your biggest loss is from just not casting enough

you want to fill up every global

[primal birch]

thats true so im doing to much walking around

[lofty depot]

Maybe that person likes to bully people

[primal birch]

and not casting main issue

[lucid olive]

Casting the wrong spells but with casting uptime is better than casting the wrong spells at 80% casting uptime

your uptime

[primal birch]

is there any video i cajn watch to help with it

[lofty depot]

I was considering making one

But was gonna get ai to do it in gamz voice

[primal birch]

im always in the lunar moon is tat issue aswell instead of been in say the sun version

[lofty depot]

No

[lucid olive]

if you do this i'm suing and/or never talking to you again

[lofty depot]

The talents ur playing don't go into solar

[lofty depot]

[lucid olive]

The issues you are having is probably covered by thousands of videos

[primal birch]

yeah tat wah i thought but just seen the pix gamz sent

[lucid olive]

Always casting is a core part of WoW gameplay as a caster

Your issues are not directly related to Balance Druid

It's about the fundamentals of playing your role in general

[primal birch]

so im just not playing boomie right or caster in genreal cause im use to been tank

[charred mango]

specifically for paladins, the big movements aren’t random, you can plan ahead for them with instants and wild charge

[lucid olive]

this is true for every boss

no movement is random

[lofty depot]

Tbf when ur doing damage as a tank it's about uptime, the difference being the boss is general in ur face and ur spamming

[lucid olive]

even movement that seems random can be planned for

[lofty depot]

Vs boomkin ur moving around and have to cast shit

[lucid olive]

this was from Salhadaar

You are definitely sending your cooldowns at some odd times

and playing builds you probably shouldn't be

but none of that is relevant for your improvement unless you fix your cast uptime

[primal birch]

thanks for the info guys and im gonna try watch few videos to try fix it but my main issue moving to much n not casting enough

[lucid olive]

That will also just come with time as you play more and get more comfortable

[primal birch]

n spells not at right time moreless

[lucid olive]

You can do stuff like hit training dummies while watching footie game on other monitor

Making your rotation be part of your muscle memory is the best way to improve

Repetition, repetition, repetition

[charred mango]

I meant to say “and then you can expand that to other fights” but a coworker decided to call me unprompted on teams

which is terrorism imo

[lucid olive]

gg

[primal birch]

thanks again guys gonna try work on this tanks for all the feed abck

[lucid olive]

good luck man

[drifting nova]

@lucid olive is the stad ship tunnel finished yet?

[lucid olive]

idk what that is

[drifting nova]

ship tunnel to get around the stadsea

[lucid olive]

its planned but temporarily stopped

according to google

[drifting nova]

oh..this vid says it was meant to start 2024 and finished by 2026

big fat lies

[lucid olive]

i don't live close to Stadlandet at all and ship infrastructure doesn't interest me much so never heard about it

[dire stone]

Another installment of Mali’s dumb balance question of the day - vanguard mythic. Are you positioning to hit the ult casting paladin who gets pulled out with Starfall as well or just focusing on blasting the two

[lofty depot]

not usually no

just sitting out in range

[dire stone]

I guess and also does the range work - first prog night

Ok - I was focusing on living hitting 140-160k ish (I’m not good )

Mostly focused on staying alive but that really want that bad

[lofty depot]

not dying more kinda big dam

[lucid olive]

just be careful not to get silenced by the boss with the silence aura thing

you can stand close to ring and cleave the guy with Starfall but I think most players just focused on living instead

[dire stone]

Haha aye. And one more interaction question - are you intentionally surging people for the dot tick damage increase or just throwing Starfall and chucking free surges

And Ty gents. Learning as I go melee brain

[lucid olive]

throwing Starfall and chucking free Starsurges

technically optimal to swap what target you Starsurge, but it doesn't really matter unless the Starsurge overcaps their Stellar Amp duration

and you can only track Stellar Amp through the boss frame, which is also filled with bunch of other dogshit

[dire stone]

Perfect - probably just my self interrupts gear and eclipse usage to fix then 🫠

Ahh

That would indicate 4 freebies then right. Caps at 20?

[lucid olive]

ye

but honestly Paladins is the sort of fight where your entire focus should be on cycling your defensives well and not getting hit by random flying object

minor optimizations like stellar amp etc is just gonna overwhelm you

especially early on

[jolly delta]

big news from the dreamgrove team

we're gap-less

[lucid olive]

nice

[jolly delta]

took me hours stupid ass trees

[lofty depot]

Don't worry in a few years they'll nuke the trees

[jolly delta]

in a few years i will not be playing this fucking game hopefully

[lofty depot]

What the

Then again gas doesn't play and he still does shit, it'll be fine

[novel socket]

Silly question.. but if you cast Starfall with 1 second left on eclipse.. is that starfall empowered by the eclipse for its duration or does it become unempowered after eclipse falls off?

[jaunty blaze]

its dynamic

eclipse buffs it but it doesnt sustain any buffs

[lucid olive]

It's not really something you interact with

Other than it might be an increase to Starfall instead of Starsurge if you're outside of Eclipse and will be using CA/Incarn in a few GCDs

but even then that is probably very minor

[novel socket]

understood. so if you had to choose getting off another starfire or starfall.. which one are you choosing? or just burn and spend it all

[lucid olive]

spend as much as possible

[novel socket]

🫡

[drifting nova]

if there were a dung trink to try get which is it

the windrunner gale one?

[dire stone]

Thank you again Gamz.

[jaunty blaze]

heart of wind?

[lucid olive]

soulcatcher's charm

[jaunty blaze]

maybe

[lucid olive]

from maisara

[jaunty blaze]

but theyre all rather dog

[drifting nova]

yeah that one

sucks I had a vessel in vault last week

dog trinket

[lucid olive]

yeah they're all bad for Moonkin but Heart of Wind and Soulcatcher are prob your best bets

[drifting nova]

I really cba double rolling on raid trinkets

maybe I get stare idk

anything to get rid of the drums

who am I kidding, I'm a healer now

[jolly delta]

i want someone to be my sune's gamz

[lofty depot]

Couldn't never climb that ladder

[lucid olive]

idk if anyone else has the patience to deal with someone being as annoying in DMs as i was to Oi

[round field]

i remember oi complaining to me daily that theres an idiot spamming his dms perma..

[lucid olive]

gg..

[lofty depot]

Wish mobile showed how many I've sent to u and vise versa lol

Surely it's a like lot

[lucid olive]

thats from you

thats from me

wonder which one of us types like a schizo and which one types in complete sentences

[loud kettle]

That implies one of each

As if you both dont type like a schizo

[lucid olive]

true

[lofty depot]

[lofty depot]

Well clearly u are the schizo

[lofty depot]

That's likely a short time frame too

Think just peak degeneracy :/

Also, think this just means I need to spam gamz more

Gotta catch up

[dull dust]

I have more then that to people I met a month ago

[round field]

JESUS

[dull dust]

gotta lock in

[round field]

stop spamming people??

[dull dust]

im just really fun to talk to

[round field]

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

Hm

Sorry numby won't show

[dull dust]

Phone dont wanna do it

[royal zenith]

yapper

[dull dust]

gamz has over 1k to me alread

[round field]

not even 6k

[lofty depot]

"hey try this"

[dull dust]

this spammer

[cursive mirage]

Arctic is a fraud

[lofty depot]

Oh I wouldn't doubt if it was massive

[lofty depot]

I have never claimed to be smart

[dull dust]

actually most apl stuff i did all month was last. night

[lofty depot]

Lol

Imagine wasting that amount of time on a 30s sim

[dull dust]

yea

[lofty depot]

Silly goose

[dull dust]

homie was invested

had to lock in

[lofty depot]

I added 0.2% this morning

[royal zenith]

about time

[cursive mirage]

Fair enough

[royal zenith]

"yeah lets give him orange he does so much for the APL!!"

busted

[dull dust]

hope arctic parses good on belo

[lofty depot]

[cursive mirage]

[dull dust]

so we can share cancelaura ca

[cursive mirage]

[lofty depot]

People gonna see my casts and be like how

We already shared the cancelaura

[royal zenith]

I mean yeah, last 2 bosses actually matter

so

prove your worth

[lofty depot]

That was good tech

[cursive mirage]

I can’t wait for Arctic to just die in egg phase and his guild not BR him

[lofty depot]

What the helly

[dull dust]

[cursive mirage]

[lofty depot]

I lived the debuff dot last night

Need to pay my evoker back now

[cursive mirage]

All evokers must perish

[royal zenith]

your evoker?

[lofty depot]

Idk blud saved me

[royal zenith]

the healer that's ultra bad at spothealing?

[lofty depot]

Him and the disc

Both healed me like 1mil each in a minute

[cursive mirage]

Two spot healing power houses

[royal zenith]

wasting externals on a fucking mooooonkin

[lofty depot]

No that's raw

[eager raft]

Hey deux

[cursive mirage]

“Please time dilate me I’m scared” - Arctic every fight

[royal zenith]

maybe they are actually happy you play

they get to pad hps meters

[lofty depot]

I hotw prior to the big aoe end of egg and then barked before color swap

[lofty depot]

[cursive mirage]

Hey @royal zenith acknowledge him

[royal zenith]

maybe tomorrow

[cursive mirage]

He’s going to be sad

[royal zenith]

who knows

[eager raft]

ok I’ll check back in tomorrow have a lovely Friday evening deux

[royal zenith]

saying hello is for mornings and leaving work

[cursive mirage]

It’s ok man I still love you even if Deux is mean

[eager raft]

Love you too man deux just puts on a tough exterior

But I know he has love in his heart

[cursive mirage]

Yeah he’s a softy deep down

[lofty depot]

Respectable like that 6 old that found a "friend" that doesn't want to be friends with him but he hovers around trying to be friends

[eager raft]

Ok that is not an accurate representation

[cursive mirage]

Arctic now I really
Hope you die on Beloren

[lofty depot]

@royal zenith thoughts

[cursive mirage]

I’m going to pay your healers to hide your raid frame

[royal zenith]

respectable is aight

[lofty depot]

Lol

[royal zenith]

but Im dutch and anti-social

[stark meteor]

how puggable is mythic chimaeurusus (and should i just slam chosen of elune for it because fuck relying on pugs to not just focus the boss in upheaval)

[royal zenith]

very puggable

[lofty depot]

Very

[dull dust]

I'm gunna start sending 500msgs to deux a day

[royal zenith]

but depends on group obv

[stark meteor]

epic

[dull dust]

fully gibberish

[cursive mirage]

Deux I spoke to my Dutch grandfather last night. He doesn’t know you. Questioning you Dutchness

[lofty depot]

Like 2k guilds killed it week 1

[royal zenith]

that's fine

I dont need to be known

Im not american...

[cursive mirage]

Hmmm

[normal pilot]

maybe he's just protecting his fellow dutchman

from being doxxed by outsiders

[royal zenith]

[cursive mirage]

Could be

[lofty depot]

Dutchman 👀

[cursive mirage]

But also my Dutch cousin was at my wedding last week so….

[stark meteor]

i swear to god if i get a belt upgrade before i can just craft one im going to EXPLODE

[cursive mirage]

He also didn’t know Deux

The pieces are coming into place

[royal zenith]

upgrade is an upgrade

beggers can't be choosers

etc

[eager raft]

starting to really question this deux guy

[stark meteor]

but i bought arcanoweave lining for it (veteran track belt rn)!!!1

[lofty depot]

Think deux will reiterate the anti-social part

[normal pilot]

maybe you got flagged as untrustworthy by the dutchmen collective

[eager raft]

Is he who he claims to be?

[cursive mirage]

Honestly starting to think Deux is AI

[royal zenith]

what gastank said is true

didnt pass the test

unforch

[cursive mirage]

Nah they wouldn’t have flown over for a wedding if that were true

[stark meteor]

i do need a chest upgrade though

[royal zenith]

we call that "social obligations"

ask him about it

[eager raft]

My last name has Dutch etymology but I don’t have any Dutch ancestors that I know of

[lofty depot]

So ur a pretender?

[royal zenith]

he steals lockouts..

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

[eager raft]

No I don’t man that literally never happened

[normal pilot]

disrespectable behavior smh

[pseudo merlin]

who

I'm part of the collective, I can speak on their behalf

[pseudo merlin]

I checked, you do not

[eager raft]

[dense steeple]

My ancestors last name was swagger

[pseudo merlin]

Sorry

[dense steeple]

Pretty sick

[pseudo merlin]

No fucking shot

That's epic

[dense steeple]

Well

It was schwagger

[eager raft]

Oh so we’re lying

[dense steeple]

But close enough

[pseudo merlin]

close enough

[dense steeple]

Yeah

[pseudo merlin]

that's just german swagger

[dense steeple]

It translates to brother-in-law

So it really makes me question my ancestry

[pseudo merlin]

WE call that Zwager

[lofty depot]

That's how he says his last name when he's drank a few moonshine shots

[pseudo merlin]

[lucid olive]

it's called Svoger here

[pseudo merlin]

Surprisingly normal for norwegian standards

Same as sweden

only we use å

they*

[lucid olive]

your in-laws, like your SO's parents, are called Svigerforeldre

with sviger being the pretext and foreldre just meaning "parents"

[pseudo merlin]

Nice and simple

ye

[royal zenith]

forel??

are they like fish

[lucid olive]

ye

sure

i think the actual word came from meaning "before older"

so people who came before you and are older = your parents

[pseudo merlin]

Forel Dr Dre

Foreldre

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[lucid olive]

El Dre

latinos with attitude

[pseudo merlin]

For El Dre

[placid olive]

Is there a way to see how certain classes do on a boss for logs? Pertaining to damage done to the egg on Belo’ren

[lucid olive]

looking at logs of guilds who killed it with a comp similar to yours

[royal zenith]

you open logs and check

[placid olive]

I know I can go to each log and check that way, but was curious if you could see like a comparison like you do for stats per boss

Alright didn’t know if there was another way Ty

[lucid olive]

not for specific phases no

[placid olive]

Gotcha, thanks

[royal zenith]

dunno if premium can aggregate different logs

or well, from other guilds

[raven obsidian]

Bonus roll for gaze or m+ ?

[lucid olive]

idk if you can do more than 1 guilds logs no

[jolly delta]

I hope it was on simcode

🫃

[jolly delta]

You mean like elder

[lucid olive]

no we don't use a word for elder

[jolly delta]

No I mean same roots

[lucid olive]

oh yeah probably

[jolly delta]

Surely

Languages are fun

[lucid olive]

any @wicked shuttle watchers in the chat

[hexed nacelle]

I haven't seen him cosplay before

[lofty depot]

Last tier he was a monk

[warm briar]

is he a priest this tier or something?

[spice roost]

Disturbing

Lol

[royal zenith]

zero to uhh hero, I guess, something

[dull dust]

vinter new mission

[lofty depot]

Well i tried using it last night tbf

But was running into error and it was 1am didn't want to bother him

[jolly delta]

I was working on dg

[lofty depot]

[jolly delta]

You can always bother me mon frer

Except now I'm at a concert

[lofty depot]

Tragic

Is fine I'm not home to try and use it

[jolly delta]

Will take a look in 3/4h

But seems user error

[dull dust]

can u make it write in plain text what the line is doing

[lofty depot]

Trying to use it on mobile is a chore

[dull dust]

is that possible

[lofty depot]

What that mean

[royal zenith]

/// Arctic has no reading comprehension

if.chancel*asks.arctic<slow

[lofty depot]

Sir it would be if=chancel.asks

[royal zenith]

mb..

[jolly delta]

I tried to make it as understandable as possible on the right

[jolly delta]

Better than that is hard..

[lofty depot]

This p good

[dull dust]

im just trying to be lazy with noting stuff fwiw

[lofty depot]

Shows up with funny info

[dull dust]

probably the wowhead tooltip

[jolly delta]

No that's the raw one

I'm not using wowhead at all

[dull dust]

[jolly delta]

That's why it has some funny stuff

But I wanted to decouple as much as possible

[torn iron]

Hey people. Do we know how/why balance went up the ranks in overall damage in raid? It's coming dangerously close to getting a nerf

[ripe magnet]

Overall!? Probably due to DPS on trash.....

[torn iron]

Boss damage is also middle of the pack

But overall is like 3rd best

[outer oasis]

Bro we just came from the bottom 5 last patch

[plain storm]

This may be a dumb question, because it’s not specifically called out anywhere. I do NOT press Eclipse when I’m using Celestial Alignment? Since that puts me in Eclipse? (Elune’s Chosen fwiw).

[torn iron]

Afaik you can't do it even if you try

[plain storm]

Even better. Ty

[lucid olive]

padderdogs

Voidspire bosses in general are really good for Balance

the last 2 (Quel'danas) are okay

[warm briar]

Dragons and vanguard/cosmos are poggers

[lofty depot]

In what world do.u think it's dangerously close to a nerf

[lucid olive]

he thinks blizzard tunes based around wclogs statistics

common misconception

[outer oasis]

Spriest does even stronger every boss

[warm briar]

Everyone knows blizzard tunes around throwing darts at class icons on a board

[lofty depot]

Dev is gapping every class in that list they're not getting a nerf

[outer oasis]

I can’t imagine any point to nerf

[ripe magnet]

Clearly nerfs/buffs are done on pure vibes

[royal zenith]

we also got nerfed because of stix

[lofty depot]

U would have to cancel aura CA to do that

[warm briar]

Let’s not forget the Nathria nerfs because of one boss

[outer oasis]

Devs They r gonna buff their dk father and nerf warlock/hunter

Trust me

[royal zenith]

I was kidding brother..

[lucid olive]

got nerfed in M+* because of stix

[dull dust]

I wanted to make a hpal apl for fun but not even their base abilities are implemented

wtf

[lucid olive]

the Starfall nerf after Stix came same time as like a 12% ST buff

if I recall correct

[warm briar]

Buff starfall even more imo

[lucid olive]

buff meteorites

[rough flax]

They gonna buff devourer again

[royal zenith]

they buff dk's and devourer

[lucid olive]

buff the stuff that makes you press Starfall on 1-2 targets..

[royal zenith]

and people are worried about balance getting nerfs

kinda funny

[dull dust]

lowkey can metoerites do like big dam at 5t and just do split dam

[warm briar]

Dks just got all of their bugs patched so expect to see them cool again

[dull dust]

so it pops off at 1t too

[eager hornet]

If I'm only focused on mythic plus should I go haste/mastery for my crafted?

[royal zenith]

I played meteorites in my +10 weekly

it was good!

[lucid olive]

yeah Meteorites is fun talent

[royal zenith]

lowkey casting starfire is overrated anyway

[dull dust]

it did like 3% in my 10 its huge

[outer oasis]

I simed meteorites almost same as mushroom

[warm briar]

I like EC but don’t like casting starfire so it’s a conundrum

[outer oasis]

And less 1% lower than shroom

[lucid olive]

idk if anyone else has noticed btw, but the Dryad has 2 Starfall versions in logs

one that is sourced to player and one that isn't

apparently the one that is sourced to the pet represent extra ticks

[royal zenith]

sim it

[lucid olive]

that you get from a bug

[royal zenith]

whatever your guy needs

[outer oasis]

Imo u gonna make a balance in crit/hast/mastery all stats good at m+

[warm briar]

Sim every piece of gear

[dull dust]

Sim every. gem

NOW

[lucid olive]

I should change the FAQ back to say you can sim dungeonroute again

[lofty depot]

DO FUCKING NOT

[royal zenith]

do it

[royal zenith]

you'll just have Emnithy telling people dungeonroute is not supported

for about 4 months longer

and he'll realize it's updated

[lofty depot]

Incorrect I say it's shit

Mmhm mmhm

[royal zenith]

HOLY FUCKKKK

how did rwf miss boomkin in raid during the race???

whaaaatt theee

[round field]

Hoooly bamkin is so op

[drifting nova]

pisskin

[lofty depot]

So what's wrong with that graph

That ur above any mage specs for once?

[royal zenith]

dk doing that much damage while bugged

that's wrong..

[drifting nova]

fack, devourer getting buffed next week

they need it

[lofty depot]

Spr.bugged too, don't worry they come back down soon

[warm briar]

Boomkin being carried by vanguard/crown kekw

[round field]

I love how unholy does the same dps as arcane while half their shit doesnt work

[lofty depot]

Boomkin isn't good at vanguard lol

[torn iron]

Basically yeah. Don't get me wrong, I love balance and have always been my main spec, I just wanna know if I should be worried with nerfs

[lofty depot]

Ur worries are misguided

[lucid olive]

it has the gastank seal of approval

good enough for me

[royal zenith]

what's there to worry about

if you get nerfed you do too much damage

[warm briar]

Blizzard isn’t buffing nerfing based off of WCL otherwise devourer would have gotten the hammer

[dull dust]

whenever I feel sad about class I remember this isnt the class godzilla would've wanted for me and I reroll

[lofty depot]

Doubt, they want u to buy boosts so they make dev big dps

Swap to meta now

[royal zenith]

I invested all my lifes savings into moonkin

I cannot have it NERFED

you dont understand

[warm briar]

I try rerolling every expansion, and always return to moonkin/druid.

im like bilbo and the ring

[dull dust]

they removed the pad adds and chicken got better on wcl

mabey were goated

[lofty depot]

Yea totally

[lucid olive]

This is not the first time they do some class changes or bug fixes in a .5 or .7 patch and the spec is OP for a week before they do a tuning pass

[royal zenith]

it

is joever

we're done

[lucid olive]

padmaxing

[lofty depot]

Sheesh, deux on the max parses

That's mee

[lucid olive]

and normal raid

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

[royal zenith]

I still think max parses are the only thing that matter

[lucid olive]

so that is you yeah

R1 on normal difficulty

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

[royal zenith]

averages are dumb

[lofty depot]

I actually havent done that yet this tier

Should've by now, onwell

[royal zenith]

it's like saying 90 pulls is good, cause it's average, while you could've killed the boss in 30 pulls

aim higher..

Ill have you know Im top 25 world on heroic vorasius, Im kind of a big deal..

[lucid olive]

think moonkin will go down a few spots on all bosses mythic once more guilds kill lura

but might be wrong

[warm briar]

lol shadow about to get bug fixed and be back in the dumps sadge

[lucid olive]

if they nerf the top outliers we might gain spots

[royal zenith]

the padding bosses got removed, suddenly I go up??? @lofty depot

thoughts??

[lofty depot]

The padding didn't get removed from all bosses tho

[royal zenith]

one day Ill be able to pad in main raid mythic..

when the devourers get benched

[lucid olive]

i said jokingly after raid that reclearing the Voidspire bosses on moonkin is just opening the talent page before every boss and going "okay so how much can i pad to beat the devourers"

[royal zenith]

yep

OH, I also cleared that full raid in EC

EC better hero talent??

chancel was right after all

[lucid olive]

yeah for sure better

[royal zenith]

bahaha

that's mythic, I explicitly said heroic..

my mythic parses

true boomer shows

when things get heated

[dull dust]

didnt it

literally get removed

[drifting nova]

blud isnt even a ward

[dull dust]

cosmos is the only one that mattered either way

[lucid olive]

your chimaerus heroic is pretty good with EC

[lofty depot]

The orbs on saladbar didn't get removed

Bugs on vorasius didn't get removed

[dull dust]

look at arcane its whole position was carried by cosmos

[royal zenith]

One is different from the others...

hahhahaha

[lofty depot]

People are playing arcane?

[royal zenith]

god what a joke

[lofty depot]

Porom said otherwise

[dull dust]

real

even i rerolled

[royal zenith]

I think EC is actually pretty good on crown

[dull dust]

[royal zenith]

clecia was on to something

[lofty depot]

Seems sus we're clearing heroic week 500

[royal zenith]

hopefully I get to play it on reclear

[royal zenith]

it's not

it's easy crests

[lofty depot]

What do we need hero crests for

[lucid olive]

yeah I think it's a lot better on the fights than what wclogs show

[royal zenith]

you're genuinely dumb

LMAO

[lucid olive]

but also, whos gonna innovate

recruitie perma playing starweaver 1m convoke

[royal zenith]

like 3 to 4 heroic bosses give myth crests

and you can trade up

everything just means I can play less m+

which is good

[lofty depot]

Meh, I cant do enough heroic raid before raid to increase my gear so I cba

[lucid olive]

arctic shitting on heroic raid cause i gapped him with 200 ping on NA

[royal zenith]

it's whatever you enjoy tbf

[lofty depot]

?

[royal zenith]

I dispise m+

[drifting nova]

you what

[lofty depot]

I hadn't played boomkin in months

[royal zenith]

u wot m8?

[lofty depot]

I was shit

[drifting nova]

I hate chicken so much rn

I might just heal going forward

[royal zenith]

I think crown, birb and lura give myth crests

[drifting nova]

[royal zenith]

not sure though

and chimmy?

[drifting nova]

on hc?

[royal zenith]

ye I think so

gamz probably knows better

[drifting nova]

mhm done chim pretty much every week explains why I have fuck all hero crests

[lucid olive]

i think so too

[royal zenith]

well pretty sure it gives both

nooblet

[drifting nova]

champ wep and neck btw

fight me

[lucid olive]

when are they fixing that some spells cant hit the flying dragon in voidspire

[royal zenith]

yeah that's also a good one

but to be fair, an eyebeam should not be able to hit it..

[lucid olive]

shows the priority when mythic gets fixed but evokers and devourers havent been able to hit the flying dragon on other difficulties

we did alt heroic with 5 devourers

boss perma enraged

[royal zenith]

heroic is nearly harder than mythic at that point

[lucid olive]

yeah it was definitely on hard mode

[wind urchin]

qucik question, für m+ and asElunes chosen, Single target; do i usw wrath or still starfire to build up?

[lofty depot]

Lol I sad that initially like this boss is just harder than mythic cuz in mythic u never worry about enrage

[lofty depot]

U starfire

[lucid olive]

wrath outside of eclipse

[lofty depot]

Can wrath outside of eclipse

[wind urchin]

and spend Starsurge or Starfall on single?

[lofty depot]

Which one of those spells is the st one

U Starfall cosmos procs if ur playing weaver

[wind urchin]

Starsurge is singletarget

okay thx !

[royal zenith]

do I gear an alt or not..

I need to fill 6 weeks till the 29th

of may

[lofty depot]

What happens 29th of may

[royal zenith]

poe2

[lofty depot]

O

I think I'm gonna play deadlock soon

Unless my buddy wants to poosh with my devdh

[ivory barn]

why cant i precast wrath anymore? when timer hit 1 my energy reset back to 50

[lofty depot]

Well it does that with NB

[lucid olive]

its always done that

[ivory barn]

nb?

[lucid olive]

you dont precast for the AP

its just free dmg

natures balance

[ivory barn]

oh okei

[dense steeple]

Thats never been the point of precasting

[ivory barn]

gotcha

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova come TOA

[drifting nova]

I'm not insane

to go desert

did respec thorns tho

did yad

[royal zenith]

you're definitely insane

regardless

[drifting nova]

I need to do more of that

lockboxes aint picking themself

unless you want to 🙂

only need like 700 more

[pseudo merlin]

do triple jad

then we talk

[drifting nova]

I did single

the challenge

then planked to 2nd

[pseudo merlin]

PLANKED?

[drifting nova]

ate shit

tried to flinch them in melee range

instead of just letting thorns kill them

[pseudo merlin]

what

[exotic storm]

druid to 90 for some reason haha. Time for delves

[smoky forge]

If I'm going the Chosen of Elune build, is it still generally better to always cast Wrath on 1 or 2 targets during Incarnation?

[wild dune]

starfire during eclipse/incarn on all targets

wrath 1t when no eclipse

[exotic perch]

no you only cast wrath outside of eclipse with elunes

[smoky forge]

ah ok so Wrath is only single target outside of Eclipse but otherwise its always Starfire. Thanks

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-reading-book-gif-3108297423409080751

[jolly delta]

Sheep thoughts on new dungeon / raid cards

[earnest sage]

is someone raiding here actively, who I can ask some questions :)?

[vital hound]

Can do

[jolly delta]

No I mean what do u think of the new ones

replaced sorry.....

[jolly delta]

Half of the people in here

The other half doesn't play the game

But just ask the question

[earnest sage]

bet

[drifting nova]

is that the question?

[earnest sage]

was curious if you guys dot all 3 mobs on crown p1

or only 2

[drifting nova]

do you like doing tank damage?

[earnest sage]

wym xd

[drifting nova]

if its red its dead

[earnest sage]

this answers sadly nothing

but I like the effort

W

[analog moat]

I think he means yes, dot them.

[dull dust]

Siri remind me in 6hours to check Sim stuff

[jolly delta]

Bro i told you

Half of the chat doesn't play the game

Unluck you got someone from that half

[earnest sage]

welp, I'll ask around other times

[jolly delta]

On myth it's probably not worth it

[gaunt lantern]

what about the half who only play the minigame

does that count as playing the game

[shy knot]

[dull dust]

@lofty depot

[jolly delta]

I didn't do the fight on myth so I'm just guessing

[dull dust]

awnser question ugly

[jolly delta]

But seems silly and you have other things to worry about

[dull dust]

.

[lofty depot]

heroic sure cuz its w.e.

mythic no ur standing on edge, i dot 2

[lofty depot]

we call that mental illness

[fallen plover]

What is the best resource to analyze a log for m+?
Im doing something wrong - my parses er 6% for key and i feel like im fucking up my eclipses, but not sure... :/

[lofty depot]

parses in m+ arent real

feel free to post a log tho

[jolly delta]

key parses are a meme

[earnest sage]

but I just get perma aggro'd from new spawned adds if I dot all 3

[lofty depot]

im the best resource

[lofty depot]

run to an add then

and run back

[rough flax]

Ngl best way to analyze your m+ is to watch a vod of balance pov of someone doing high keys

[jolly delta]

Best way to analyse your m+ is to

Not do it

[earnest sage]

so tank can taunt them?

[jolly delta]

Press more buttons and press big buttons when many enemies

[rough flax]

You prob grief your raid more that way, there was a discussion earlier about this. Fight

[jolly delta]

If he's talking heroic then I don't think it matters no

[lofty depot]

or hit them or do anything that tanks do

[rough flax]

Yh well if its heroic then no need to min max either xd

[vital hound]

Oh the fuck

Haven't looked but they're shit

Fuck they're good

Damn gg

[jolly delta]

Now we just need the guides

[earnest sage]

if I don't then there will be a 23 log at the end lol

[lofty depot]

well its heroic

who cares about that log

[earnest sage]

Well I do, if I can get more out of my talents/spells then why shouldn't I do it ^^

[rough flax]

Then if you want a parse stand in the middle dot all 3 and aoe the shit out of it and fuck the rest

[lofty depot]

pseaking of which

[lofty depot]

how about u make this gap-less holy fuck

[rough flax]

But yh, if you want to have a decent log and not grief the raid. Dot the add your raid focus and the one to come and spam starfall while staying close to the add thats being focused but in reach of the second one. And swap to starsurge once there are high stacks to nuke it

[lofty depot]

cant parse if boss doesnt die

grief the raid for 3 hours while spamming starfall tho surely

[earnest sage]

it's not like we are progressing it, the boss dies in 2-3 tries

I just wanted to improve my logs lol

[lofty depot]

then slam some starfalls

gogogog

[earnest sage]

I AM 😭 I just wanted to know what the fuck should I do if all the new spawned adds which I instantly aggro with starfall run towards me

[rough flax]

There is currently just a lot of pad damage

[earnest sage]

do I get them all to the tank so he can't taunt them away and move back to the center

[lofty depot]

run towards the boss or kill them in narnia

press typhoon or something

[rough flax]

Vortex

[earnest sage]

guys you surely know crown p1

those adds are annoying asf

typhoon helps like for a second or two

[dense steeple]

Heres what I know about crown p1

Morion or whatever isnt taking enough damage yet

[rough flax]

Thats ehy you stack on the mini boss

[earnest sage]

then the 2 other adds would be out of range of my starfall

[rough flax]

Nah you can position so you hit 2

And most of the dmg you get is from the adds giving the dmg amp

So even squeezing the 3rd boss in starfall is not gonna do that much

Then planning ur burst on the high stack

[soft warren]

reading this chat and then reading the feral chat are just two different worlds

[jolly delta]

Buy a smaller monitor

[lofty depot]

poors smh

[earnest sage]

hmmmmmm

are there some balance's who stream or whatever to look up them play

[lofty depot]

oh it says to give feedback with a link

whoopsie poopsie

hmm i need to add picture to bug feedback but cant

[jolly delta]

Draw it in ASCII

[gleaming ferry]

Has anyone messed around with having both Elune's Guidance and Astral Insight?

The idea is the hero talent removes the drawback from having a shorter cd on Convoke

[lofty depot]

tried it for what specifically

[gleaming ferry]

Just to see if its worth it. I like convoke and having the normal version on a 1min cd seems really good! But I don't see any guides talking about it so it must not actually be that great

[normal pilot]

ya convoke just isn't really good

[gleaming ferry]

Yeah that seems to be the consensus. So sad!

[dull dust]

u take that back

convoke kills the mining mob real good

[gleaming ferry]

I was hoping having convoke on only a 1min cd would save me from my grey parse lol

[normal pilot]

well your talent isn't the reason for grey parse

[dull dust]

if only convoke scaled in aoe

[delicate perch]

so glad I can't read

[dull dust]

it would be actually sick fornlura

[gleaming ferry]

No def not. I was trying to use it as a crutch

[magic lantern]

3 voidcores refunded, pog