balance

[flint drift]

These druids taking us to the top. Name and shame them so we don't get nerfs

[lofty depot]

boomkins havent killed lura

silly

[fiery kindle]

i hope u first

game over

[fiery kindle]

I'm still vanguard , sick boss

[lofty depot]

we got buffed on vanguard tho

[fiery kindle]

%1.5, right?

meteorites so cool

but 3 target still suck

[drifting nova]

never good on aoe

[fossil shard]

Does the wild growth from HOTW not count for it?

[fossil shard]

@carmine vigil soon?

[craggy sonnet]

wdym?

that was about convoke being able to cast SM

[fossil shard]

Oh ffs I hate mobile

Zzzz

[royal zenith]

only a week old convo

[lucid olive]

yeah i prefer to be stationary as well

[royal zenith]

dont worry about it

[fossil shard]

[ember dock]

is meteor storm worth in lowkeys like +10? gotta help out my buddies 😄

[fossil shard]

Anything can be fun in 10s

Sure

[jolly delta]

is the 3.4k thing not in the game yet or

[fossil shard]

Play orbital strike for fun in 10s

[ember dock]

i only care about max dmg since they doubted me in the past playing boomie haha

[fossil shard]

Then definitely do not play orbital strike lol

[drifting nova]

os is the fun one

[wild dune]

orbital strike is aura

play it

[drifting nova]

but also the shitter of the two

[ember dock]

haha 😄

[drifting nova]

go active shrooms

be the padder

almost hit 100 in my last 10, padding ret had his tank pull all the shitty small adds in seat

[carmine vigil]

probly not very soon:(

[wild dune]

cmon bro step it up

u can do it

i believe

[drifting nova]

the ret was 160 and the arms was like 60

ret just slurped up all the shitty adds

padmaxing

[drifting nova]

playing with aug instantly means that number is fake

ret pops wings and mobs are 50% dead already

[wild dune]

yes the 220 ilvl aug in the key sale

big diff

[drifting nova]

had an aug last week in my group had a 10 +3 done

[brave minnow]

Hi there! Is the ‘Meteorites’ talent being used with the Elune build in M+?

[drifting nova]

was it him?

he most def was getting carried in that key

[wild dune]

maybe

99% of augs are carried

[drifting nova]

like he WAS 240-250 in the key

and the others were closer to 280

only had 2 keys done, that pos 10+3 and a ws 6

[rigid flame]

I can't find a blue post addressing the voidcore bugs/issues. Is it safe to send them now or are the loot pools still not being adjusted?

[lofty depot]

well until u find one, i wouldnt send them

[rigid flame]

Ugh. Thx

[drifting nova]

had a look back for him..he's now 3800

[wild dune]

gg

[drifting nova]

think I ended up doing less dam in that key than the previous one of the same level

idk how

passenger spec

[wild dune]

maybe u should play aug kekkers

[drifting nova]

if I wanted to be a passenger

I'd be a healer

and the last time I tried healing keys I lost braincells

[digital notch]

If anyone wanna flame some logs and give some pointers I got the log for you! Please hilfe 🙏 (Epzia)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ya1NJ8jrpWQ97wB6

[lucid olive]

use force of nature before incarnation

probably shouldnt have spent that starsurge before sending cooldowns either

that way you enter cooldowns with more AP

you wanna try and minimize this awkward stretch in your CDs where you need to rebuild AP

pair your cooldowns together

dont just press them willy nilly

you save that incarnation for force of nature to be back up

and this was Salhadaar so you could also hold the Force of Nature cast for up to 15 seconds waiting for a line-up with an add spawning

[drifting nova]

can we leave force of nature in the bin and get funny incarn back

[lucid olive]

also if you're in the situation where you have Force of Nature available, but not CA/Incarn, then you should ideally know that ahead of time and hold your Eclipse so you use it after Force of Nature

you're movement maxing

but the thing that's costing you the most damage by far is your uptime

[digital notch]

You are a lifesaver Gamz, Thank you very much for the review I will work on it! ❤️

[ember dock]

I understand why people love aug. I am a noob so idk what OG boomies can pull in MT 😄

[drifting nova]

helps your priest is a passenger too

[lofty depot]

oh i forgot about the person earlier

missing sunfire

tragic death, but thats definately not how u open

u dont wrath in lunar

ig were sending surges in aoe

foe before incarn

ur gcds are giga slow idk

yea ur just idk actively trolling ur cds

[drifting nova]

can the vault tokens actually be used on the voidforge

or is that a porky

[dense steeple]

they can

you just have to unlock it before you take the tokens

[drifting nova]

..think I have idk mightve popped on alt when I logged in

[drifting nova]

oh no I've griefed a key

[glacial steeple]

These things happen

[drifting nova]

misqueued for a 10 saron..as healer

ngl pretty easy

[wind ledge]

what do u guys do to level alts fast

[drifting nova]

I havent healed since shadowlands

[vital hound]

just heal kek

[fossil shard]

usually adderall

[drifting nova]

started the first pull in chicken smh

[lofty depot]

Wait for calamitous shadow point and then vibe for 5 hours

[drifting nova]

only went resto to do lfr for voidcores

[orchid fox]

has anyone who had the mailbox take their gear, had it fixed yet?

[dull dust]

seemed p close

id take it in any key that has smaller pulls or mabey a 2t boss

[misty glade]

Hmm, looks like Eyes of the Eagle ring enchant got buffed. Was that announced?

[lucid olive]

nah but it's always been good

crit stuff is generally good for us now

[misty glade]

Yeah. Always simmed best for me. Now tooltip says 2% - curious what it actually is with rounding.

[lucid olive]

at max sockets the crit effect meta gem is better too

[misty glade]

Oh, nice. good to know

[normal pilot]

they buffed it ya

prolly cost too much dev hours to fix it to display decimals so just buffed it all

[pseudo merlin]

crafted, yes

[orchid fox]

my crafted still stuck in mailbox says internal mail database error

=[

[dull dust]

@dense steeple did u get ur fedex delivery yet

[dense steeple]

yes

[smoky forge]

Hey if I spend 80 Myth Crests on a Myth weapon upgrade, would that ilvl carry over to a new weapon I'd want to swap over to on a Myth track?

[gentle patio]

yes if its a 2H too

needs to be the same weapon type

[smoky forge]

Thanks!

[gentle patio]

/run local a,b=Enum.ItemRedundancySlot,C_ItemUpgrade.GetHighWatermarkForSlot for k,v in pairs(a)do print(k,(b(v)))end

this checks your highest ever equipped ilvls for each slot

[dense steeple]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tjdjfxvDyk7qU7kogQ8fn3

@lucid olive how it do

[lucid olive]

youre swimming in loot

[lofty depot]

blud is same ilvl but 3k lower

[dense steeple]

skill dif

[robust monolith]

On mythic vanguards is better to hold the 2nd stack of CA to align It with trinket or you Just send the CDS?

[lofty depot]

theres people that have done both

fine regardless, its not a damage check fight

its a healer/tank brain fight

[delicate perch]

you sim less than me with better gear

omega sus

[dull dust]

2006 ah

[dense steeple]

thats what it said to gem idk

[digital berry]

on crown do we just fall p1 or what

so many scattered ads

[lucid olive]

starfall until the bosses have some dmg amp on them

then you surge to burn it

there are some kill videos on youtube you can watch too, probably everyone played it the same

its a really fun moonkin fight with starweaver though

S tier fight

[radiant bramble]

LF a boomkin player to help me with dmg in keys LOL (i'm actually serious - i don't really know what i'm doing but know some basics)

[dense steeple]

press starfire and starfall

[digital berry]

dot everything and dont cancel casts

[dense steeple]

if you have a locus walker trinket delete it

dont die

[lofty depot]

post a log

[radiant bramble]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/jasime?zone=47

does this help?

[brave minnow]

Hi! Is the ‘Meteorites’ talent being used with the Elune build in M+?

[dense steeple]

talents not great

[lofty depot]

u can go check if people are running it on warcraft logs

[radiant bramble]

I use the talents from like wowhead or whatever

[lofty depot]

i wasnt tlaking to u

[radiant bramble]

oh

[lofty depot]

ur pressing incarn on bad globals

foe before and incarn 0.5 prior to the starfall

[dense steeple]

not a lot of mastery, unfortunate trinkets

[lofty depot]

wasted 2nd incarn

[radiant bramble]

yeah my mastery is low, I did notice that

[lofty depot]

ur not getting many spenders out

ur essentially just wasting incarns

[radiant bramble]

I think sometimes what happens is I enter eclipse/incarn without enough astral power, so do you guys build astral power outside of the eclipse/incarn and then use ur spenders?

[lofty depot]

and not doing the sequence properly

[lofty depot]

well u want asp sure, but that naturally just happens when ur dotting at the start of pulls

and then sure u can pool at the end of eclipe prior to ur next

but thats u trying to minmax something that will increase ur damage a little bit

ur actively using ur cds in shit ways

[radiant bramble]

like how

[lofty depot]

scroll up?

and maybe some of it is u dont know pulls

but ur also sending on low mob count pulls

[radiant bramble]

like I get the lack of spenders but how is the sequence off

[lofty depot]

u sent prior to this pull unforch

[dense steeple]

@lofty depot soon

[radiant bramble]

sorry I'm just re-reviewing the chat, so summary - lack of spenders, FOE before incarn, use globals at better times, and better trinkets/mastery?

[dense steeple]

theres a lot going on yeah. gonna take some time

[radiant bramble]

yeah no worries, thank you all for your help

[dense steeple]

if i were you tbh i would see if crafted gloves with tier shoulders are an upgrade

cause those gloves are horrid

[lofty depot]

and stop using incarn in the middle of packs that are like 50% and or are giga small

[dense steeple]

@lofty depot free me 🙂

[lofty depot]

sheesh

[wild dune]

just kill the boss

[dense steeple]

trying

ive killed the ret paladin twice

i'm moving on to shut down their whole discord

[lofty depot]

stop killing the ret

are u killing at bad time

[digital berry]

smh

[dense steeple]

no

just practice

[lofty depot]

stop padding rat

[digital berry]

i am surging

[dense steeple]

senn at 10mil with 3 dead wipe

[radiant bramble]

which gloves? my tier ones?

[dense steeple]

yes

tier glove bad

head shoulder chest pants ideal

[radiant bramble]

ah :/ yeah i got them because I wanted 4 set early

[dense steeple]

which is fine

[radiant bramble]

I'm not sure if I have another charge, but will try to switch to shoulders tier instead of gloves if I can

[dense steeple]

but its week 6

time to change

[radiant bramble]

yea

real

[digital berry]

im still wearing those too

cant nobody make me change them

[radiant bramble]

when is it ideal to use incarn? cause some of these dungeons have small pulls and/or the trash die fast (like skyreach or low keys)

like do I save it? but then i'm losing damage

[digital berry]

low keys balance is just not fun to play

kotg mitigates it a bit but still

[lofty depot]

yea so learning the key ull find out when u should be using cds

[digital berry]

some tanks are bitches and will literally pull one pack at a time too

[lofty depot]

but that key was a 14 u have time to do shit

[radiant bramble]

i know

[lofty depot]

but ur also sending cds in the middle of packs

[radiant bramble]

yeah

I do that sometimes

[lofty depot]

yea u should stop that

[radiant bramble]

obvi as u see in log

[digital berry]

i mean its fine if the pack lives 20 more seconds

wont happen often

[lofty depot]

dont listen to him

until u understand packs and timers for that type of shit

send ur cds on pull or not at all thats on jah

ur sending cds when mobs are 50% hp

its giga troll

[radiant bramble]

tru

do you guys use starfire and starsurge on bosses in incarn or do u use wrath and starsurge

[digital berry]

starifre and surge on st

[radiant bramble]

ok

starfire takes 5 years to cast but i know our talents makes it better

[digital berry]

unless outside eclipse or ca

on st without either eclipse or ca u wrath

[dense steeple]

the only time you wrath in EC spec is ST outside eclipse

[digital berry]

thats the onyl time u wrat with ec

[radiant bramble]

oh really

why do you wrath? to build AP?

I haven't been wrath-ing outside eclipse

bruh balance druid is so hard lol >.< it has to be one of the hardest specs

[digital berry]

its just a dps increase from asp generation and the slow ass cast time of starfire

it reall really isnt

[drifting nova]

reroll resto, looks to be my path

[radiant bramble]

lol

[drifting nova]

why think, hit buttons

[radiant bramble]

true

[digital berry]

ive never been able to heal anything as resto

i just dont get it

[radiant bramble]

i dont wanna think

[drifting nova]

considering I accidentally joined a key earlier thinking I was chicken

rio has it as 4dps and 1tank

wrong spec + wrong brain still impossible to mess up

if only I knew why mana never went down and haste was so high, but who has time to read talents

[radiant bramble]

I’ve tried resto a few times and it’s fine, but I haven’t been able to do higher keys cause I just haven’t practiced enough

[dense steeple]

you can ignore kekkers

[drifting nova]

[dense steeple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/296496792420220929/1016334670251700254/attachment.gif

[drifting nova]

soma, wise one

what does wildstalker do for resto

[exotic perch]

whats wrong with kekkers

[normal pilot]

they hated kekkers because he told them the truth

[drifting nova]

easiest way to solve the dps problem is to 4dps keys

[lucid olive]

i did that for a stonecore weekly back in war within and got rank 1 resto dps on wclogs

[drifting nova]

my bad..I guess

[radiant bramble]

lol

[drifting nova]

couldnt even respec as tigers rushed to get out

still so dumb you cant swap spec if something is on cd

[delicate perch]

this is cope

you press trees

pack dies

now ur doing healer damage

[drifting nova]

what is this low key

[delicate perch]

idk, keys are dead logout

[radiant bramble]

☠️

[drifting nova]

whyd I try change resto ui now its just bricked smh

ty blizz very cool

[radiant bramble]

any of ya’ll stream on twitch? Or recommend someone? maybe I could watch & learn that way

[dense steeple]

dwilkz is a good m+ streamer when hes on boomy

[drifting nova]

lura prog

[dense steeple]

he does a lot of m+ on a bunch of chars

i am currently streaming raid in a bastardized m+ build

[radiant bramble]

Twitch name is somaloria?

[dense steeple]

yes

the only reason i even suggested my stream is because you can get a feel for how im using my CDs

even though its all one big pull

you can see how i use certain spells before an eclipse or incarn

[delicate perch]

what

LOL

you do not use cds in raid like m+ man

[dense steeple]

i am aware

but shes having a a problem slamming incarn at bad times

[drifting nova]

why do you have a grey parse on the paladins

[dense steeple]

and not using foe appropriately with eclipses etc

[drifting nova]

slam on cd, ez

[digital berry]

parse shaming smh

[delicate perch]

boss damage parse shaming should be the norm

[digital berry]

aint nothing but boss dmg on vanguards

[drifting nova]

actually was ilvl

I reserve the right to shame however

[delicate perch]

wouldnt know I got to skip that boss

[digital berry]

after bitching a lil i realized its actually not that bad of a fight

might reclear next week

[delicate perch]

isn't it part of the skip

I'm in no rush to a kill boss that's a mid boss that is killed every week

[drifting nova]

think about the loot

missing all that loot

[delicate perch]

our raid drops have been so bad

[drifting nova]

raid drops in general are

[digital berry]

dude havent seen a single gaze

[lucid olive]

i snagged one in heroic alt raid

[drifting nova]

I passed thinking it was bad

we are not the same

[digital berry]

that is a kekkers thing to do

[drifting nova]

tbf friend had an adventurer trink and it was w/e to me

ilvl above all

[novel mantle]

does balance have renewal?

i dont see it

[crisp moon]

its this now

[digital berry]

new hotw is kinda renewal+

just insuferrable to use

[novel mantle]

whats hotw?

[lofty depot]

a talent taht can heal or give more max hp

[novel mantle]

what talent called?

[lofty depot]

[H]eart [o]f [t]he [w]ild

[leaden birch]

I got one finally with my bonus roll

[digital berry]

i hate you

[leaden birch]

then maxrolled the heroic gaze today

in a pug

[leaden birch]

I'm sure you are still clearing my dps though 🥹

[digital berry]

50% of the raid parsing is who can pad better with the worse team while still killing

[leaden birch]

I went into a 12 skyreach today thinking I'd do some solid dmg, got absolutely mogged on by a frost mage

I'm coping by saying things died way too fast

[digital berry]

things dont die THAT fast in a 12

[drifting nova]

they did

[digital berry]

[drifting nova]

mages arent restricted by ramp

or pull count

[wild dune]

"ramp"

[leaden birch]

they died pretty damn fast tho ngl

[drifting nova]

its 2026 and we're still dotting shit up like its 2008

[wild dune]

play infront of the tank and moonfire the pulls for him

ez

[leaden birch]

the lust pull at the start of the dungeon died before I was even out of CA

[drifting nova]

but you were top dam right

[leaden birch]

this kills me so much rn ngl

[leaden birch]

no bro the mage touched like 600k while I only touched 500k

[drifting nova]

I've been an adamant hater of double dotting for like 3xpacs now

[leaden birch]

grr

[drifting nova]

its old

its outdated

and needed to change

long ago

hell even simple shit like during incarn/ca

dots fusing together

[leaden birch]

multi dotting is ass

[drifting nova]

combining both

the gcd ramp bloat is bad

if shit dies too fast

[leaden birch]

my hunter buddy keeps reminding me it's a dps loss for them to multi dot

[drifting nova]

already doing the mental maths

for the range on them

HOW ARE THEY STILL NOT THE SAME RANGE

[leaden birch]

I also enjoy getting yelled at by tanks for atking while they're grouping

[drifting nova]

I started dotting normally

then I got a tank that only body pulled

guess who snapped aggro with a moonfire

[leaden birch]

[drifting nova]

ATLEAST HIT IT ONCE

[digital berry]

body pullers piss me off

[drifting nova]

body pulling aint it

[wild dune]

make lunar bolts apply moonfire

pum fixed

[elfin shoal]

/abandon on cooldown the moment i see this shit

[drifting nova]

moonfire is by far the worst of the two

[digital berry]

i died twice in a 12 today from getting instagibbed 1 second into my cds

both times they were pot cds

[lucid olive]

Make Solar bolt spawn a mushroom

[drifting nova]

shocking considering even in cds no dam

wheres the pay off

[digital berry]

i do dmg

[drifting nova]

[digital berry]

user error

[leaden birch]

I enjoy doing shit for dmg outside of eclipse

literal peanuts for dmg

[digital berry]

yeah...

[drifting nova]

even in cds a frostmage playing solitaire on his other screen

still beats you

[digital berry]

ok frostmage is busted

dafuq can i do about it

[leaden birch]

I have a frost mage buddy who keeps telling our tank buddy that he 'has cds up'

when the fuck do they don't have cds

[drifting nova]

its been so long but can we just bring funny passive back

the charge one for incarn

[leaden birch]

I miss orbital strike

[drifting nova]

hypothetically

what would the best comp even be

to maximise your dam

[digital berry]

we used orbital for like 1 whole patch

[leaden birch]

and it was fun

it was when I was forced to pick up boomkin because my raid needed mark

I enjoyed orbital striking in mists, oh the nostalgia

[drifting nova]

oh the one you aim

got ptsd trying to use it in uldaman

with the shitty camera angles

[wild dune]

boomie/aug/buyer

[drifting nova]

..but I did less dam with an aug

than without

[wild dune]

[drifting nova]

I ended up just blaming the tank idk

real big difference

[digital berry]

ngl crown is indeed a fun fight

[fair pasture]

I wish there was a talent to make typhoon knock back farther

So I could get adds on demi and Moore and co easier

[digital berry]

\

[fair pasture]

Holy heck

Ty

[drifting nova]

still cant go UP

like shamans

smh

[foggy kelp]

the knock up was removed and the knock itself is ele-only now

[pseudo merlin]

@dense steeple someone in priest discord had their crafted item in mail but couldnt retrieve it

GM told him to turn off addons, he did, nothing happened

GM gaslit him instead

you could loot yours right?

[harsh cypress]

I’m not sure if I’m simming correctly. Every Balance Druid I see is running around 1000 mastery, but whenever I sim my gear, it keeps prioritizing crit. Right now I’m at about 1000 crit and 700 mastery, and it just doesn’t feel right.

[delicate perch]

that is a very insane thing to even compare

crit is good, but if you are looking purely at secondaries you're possibly giving up int/gaining vers or something, can't tell without the sim

[true viper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/766349238941777931/1131266466289819779/caption.gif

[harsh cypress]

lol I am 281 but yeah I get it

[delicate perch]

there is no way the ilvl part of that, is what you respond to

[jaunty blaze]

😭

[harsh cypress]

ok sorry I aske for help I am not sure how to state the issue I have just a thought that was going threw my head

[jaunty blaze]

If you question the sim result why sim at all

[harsh cypress]

because that what everyone states to do I am just going off the sim just notice alot other people have way more mastery then I do

but I have alot other gear with mastery that is stating its not an upgrade so

[delicate perch]

you do not have their gear

you do not know what they are simming

your stats are clearly not the same, maybe that is the best they have

you have not linked the sim, and instead be passive agressive so no one can really help you lol

[magic socket]

Which Mythic dungeon is your top priority for using the Voidcore? I'm leaning towards Xenaz to target the ring for my BiS gear. What's your take on this?

[tawdry grove]

so just starting to learn boomkin and was wondering what senarios do we take aetherial kindling vs meteor storm vs not taking either. as well as when to take convoke vs incarn

[round field]

kindling = sustained aoe
meteor = bursty aoe
incarn = always
convoke = never

[harsh herald]

I take convoke for mythic beloren, but that's literally it

Was using it for heroic chimmy at the time also

[round field]

oh ye beloren i guess for egg

[round field]

Have to decide that for yourself

Look at what dungeons drop and how many upgrades they have compared to shit loot

[vital swift]

Convoke is nice on dmg amp bosses

[round field]

Which are?

[jolly delta]

You know what's baffling to me

It's that not blizzard forces itself to have such a tight patch cadence

And then everything is broken because they can't deliver

But also the things that they ship are done in a day

[round field]

They just dont crunch

And fix it after

Wouldnt wanna be one of the price increase countries

[jolly delta]

Yes but like

[round field]

Imagine u release a broken patch and then the company says "oh btw u have to pay more now too"

[jolly delta]

If you want to boost engagement

Surely releasing ten systems that you can finish in a week isn't the play right

[round field]

Unfortunately the devs probably dont have much say in the matter

[jolly delta]

No I know it's just confusing

[round field]

If the higher ups say u have to releaze in 8 weeks

U do that

[jolly delta]

What's the point of even having spent the time making decor duels

If I got all the rewards from it already

[vital swift]

NK if you dont pad

[jolly delta]

And no one is going to be playing it in a week

[round field]

Hello kitty boss 3 irrelevant

[jolly delta]

They just threw away dev hours - it's just insane

[round field]

Ye idk decor duels is weird lmao

[fossil hemlock]

That's extremely reward-centric

And the vast majority of players will do it because they think it's fun

[jolly delta]

I meant it's not like they made it fun either

[fossil hemlock]

To you*

[jolly delta]

Bro wym for you

[umbral quartz]

Hey guys new to balance .. why are we taking some crit gear since our main stats are mastery and haste??

[jolly delta]

Tell me one person that finds fun running out of bounds to chance whoever bug abused better

[jolly delta]

Also I disagree, the vast majority of people does things for the rewards

[fossil hemlock]

I don't find housing particularly fun, but I'm not going to pretend there aren't a shitload of players spending several hours each week playing it

[jolly delta]

There's a reason that people complain when gearing is too easy

[fossil hemlock]

The vocal people complain

The majority of the playerbase don't step foot into m+ at all

[round field]

Only reason i walk into neigborhood is because it gives me 20 crests

[jolly delta]

I keep hearing this and I never can get a source

[fossil hemlock]

This game has a MASSIVE casual playerbase

[jolly delta]

Not saying it's untrue

I'm just curious if it is

I would expect it to be something closer to 1/3rd that tries m+ at least once

But once again, even the casual playerbase doesn't do stuff just because

They go around collect pets and mounts

Do quests

[fossil hemlock]

I don't know if you've ever been in a casual guild, but they will literally do things just because they're fun to do with friends

[round field]

Why would you be in a casual guild

Thats for losers

[fossil hemlock]

[jolly delta]

what iqni said

I think if you enjoy prop hunt for more than 10 matches you have issues

[round field]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/droptimizer

[fossil hemlock]

Igni schizo-posting

[round field]

ah yes delete the post to make me seem like a schizo

[vale pebble]

uve also been in a casual guild

[round field]

wrong?

no proof

[vale pebble]

u currently are in one

[round field]

no im not

[proven schooner]

halp guys what should i craft?

such a true answer, tysm ❤️

[round field]

they are raiding mythic

[vale pebble]

?xd

[round field]

theyre just

[vale pebble]

legit heroic boss

[round field]

low wr

wdym heroic boss

[vale pebble]

low iq*

[round field]

?

[vale pebble]

this fight is

legit heroic

[round field]

which fight

[vale pebble]

nothing happens

beloren

[round field]

did u kill it

[vale pebble]

fuck no

cause everyone is a normal raider

happens

[round field]

unfortunate

im blasting heroic

brrrrrrrrrrrrr

[proven schooner]

Wow, ure 3rd in the world!

[round field]

standing in spinny laser bad!

[delicate perch]

Buff devdh

[jolly delta]

If I see another DH being smug about his dps

I will commit warcrimes

[proven quail]

What should you target with voidcores if you only do m+? The rings from nexus? My sims tell me windspire is better

[jaunty blaze]

Whatever sims best

Nexus point good target tho

[round field]

but ur wrong

i do good dps beacuse im good

not because my class is cancer bugged and half the changes werent implemented properly

no no

[proven quail]

Do you sim with raidbots or voidcore planer?

[leaden birch]

how are people liking starweaver vs rattle in m+?

[jaunty blaze]

Starweaver more fun

[jaunty blaze]

I did droptimizer sim for m+

[leaden birch]

oh I just realized I was running an outdated EC build from dreamgrove

woopsie

[proven quail]

Do you sim patchwork with 5 targets 40 seconds fight without bl?

[round field]

no that kinda sucks

also what the fuck is voidcore planer

[leaden birch]

there's no point in holding myth crests right

all I have rn are myth boots to send into, just send it?

[jaunty blaze]

If you dont expect to get anything better to dump them into

[random pasture]

How good is the setbonus from the rings in Nexus? Are they even worth chasing if we allready got trinkets and wep?

[silk plank]

fluid form that much worth it to take in the EC M+ build?

[jolly delta]

Saves a gcd when bearing

What else you taking

[silk plank]

I guess yeah
never usually hard shifting bear though usually it's roar or stampede so never thought on it much

[round field]

yea but it saves you a global shifting back

[silk plank]

oh right

okay that makes more sense. thanks

[vital hound]

ask the robot

[vital hound]

you can also

cancelform during a starfire cast to drop a root related debuff

and then when the cast completes you get put back in chicken

[fossil hemlock]

Also possible with caster hotw, just spell queue it at the end of a starfire and it will cast and you're instantly back in moonkin form

[silk plank]

oh no way

that's cool :0

[vital hound]

i discovered this by accident the other day

holy fuck i felt powerful

[finite vapor]

What is the max number of embellishments? Is it 2?

[fossil hemlock]

Yes

[rare wedge]

Sorry I see ur message only now, ok so my opener is bad and foe need to be use before incarn right ?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nLrHCbq2hyvgWkNc?fight=3&type=damage-done&source=3&options=2

I did better on this key, I died only 1 times

[left magnet]

there is no way to track orbit breaker, is there?

[pallid bay]

nope

count the stars visually

[jolly delta]

as blizzard intended

[jaunty blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/mrbeast-ytpmv-rap-battle-squid-game-squid-game-vs-mrbeast-gif-25491394

<@&114146878353833984>

[round field]

Also

Why did they make details completely worthless

You cant see like anything on it

[jade flume]

it is actually so trash

absorb healing counts as doable for some crazy reason, somehow not fixed in first big patch?

cant synch multiple windows so they are always on the same segment

cant check anything in combat

[round field]

why cant u like see something as simple as like

how many casts you had

or how much the spell hit

[lusty drift]

Are we running meteorites in M+ now?

[round field]

meteorites still dogshit

[lusty drift]

roger

[rare wedge]

wdym by my gdcs are giga slow ?

[stone meadow]

Hello everyone! Hope everyone is okay! I wanna ask, what is the recommended crafted items for us Boomies? 😄

ive seen everywhere and now confused because i saw in one place that is off hand and the other one the belt. I already have a crafted wrists

[rough flax]

You leave gaps in between spells

[rough flax]

It can be different stuff. Early on ppl craft 2h weapon bcs it give most power and also more crest efficient than Crafting mh+of

The second emblishment is often suggested on an off piece bcs they have less overall stats so the lower IL from crafting does not have impact. The piece suggest is often a piece that does not drop a good stat weight in either m+ or raid

But thats only work if you are bis so look what you dont have mythic, cloak,wrist, waist are all decent options

Aka sim

[stone meadow]

Okay understandable!

thank you so much!

[ruby badger]

Try not to craft / use 1 handers with offhand this season

Takes way more crests to upgrade them than a 2hander

[rare wedge]

oh ok I understand better

thanks

[midnight bough]

on seat last boss in +14 i was getting lots of stacks and healer was telling me to get orbs. what supposed to do?

[fossil hemlock]

After the spinny beam you aim the frontals towards one of the 6 adds at the edge of the room

On the second set of frontals you aim at the 3 you didn't hit the first time

[rough flax]

Keep doing what you did, it fits the name

[cosmic lantern]

Hi can anyone look at my logs on balance and give input? I feel like I’m pumping in m+ but in raid my dmg is subpar and I think I’m doing something wrong with keeper.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8cfFG1q36TXA97k2?fight=8&type=damage-done&source=2

There are multiple fights in that log

[fossil hemlock]

Your first eclipse is at 1:30

It should be right after your first CA and rebuilding some astral power

[cosmic lantern]

So I noticed I can’t cast eclipse if I already cast incarn

[fossil hemlock]

Yes, you don't want to

[cosmic lantern]

Reading the priority list it seemed like I should press that before that but it didn’t seem right

I was trying to doing a good player that makes YouTube videos on balance

[fossil hemlock]

You're also not dumping astral power before convoking

Your second CA should also be held for convoke and trees at 1 minute mark in that build

[cosmic lantern]

Yea I’m not used to convoke

With trees I feel like I’m also using my cds in wrong order

[fossil hemlock]

#balance message

I would recommend reading the compendium, again if you already have

And try to get a better trinket, that eye of the drowning void looks awful

[uncut idol]

is there a way to actively increase dmg on shooting stars?

[slender island]

starsurge if talented into stellar amp, consume free procs for solstice

[cosmic lantern]

Is erratic trinket the rep one sim bait? It shows it’s higher but when I use it in m+ my dmg is way lower

[fossil hemlock]

It's not sim bait, and there's a million different factors that could change between m+ runs so unless you ran thousands in both setups you wouldn't be able to really tell

[uncut idol]

ty would starweaver help out too in that case?

[cosmic lantern]

Also when I sim consumes crit is highest for me but I feel like I do way more damage in keys with haste flask

[slender island]

yea it interacts nicely with shooting stars and the 4set

[uncut idol]

cool then ill change to it

ty

[slender island]

also i love the extra mobility with all the free spenders ^^

[uncut idol]

i can imagine

[dense steeple]

Yes lol

[tiny nimbus]

bonus rolls are account wide or per char?

[lofty depot]

Why the fuck would they be account

I'd start a holy war

[brave minnow]

Hi, has anyone else had their Blizz spell alerts disappear from all their classes? They haven't been showing up since yesterday and I can't find any information about it. I'm going mad. 😭

[dense steeple]

I bonus rolled vaelgor on my druid,does that mean I cant bonus roll it on my 4th alt???

[sudden flame]

[dense steeple]

@lofty depot were eyes of the eagle enchant actually buffed or is wowhead just finally getting on the train of a good enchant

[hallow cave]

It is

[slender island]

it sims +1% higher than zuljin mastery for me right now (with some gem swaps too)

[loud kettle]

Buffs were in ptr like over a week ago

Wowhead was very slow

[fossil hemlock]

Say it ain't so

[loud kettle]

I said it ain't so

You probably didnt hear me though

[lofty depot]

The initial wasn't 1%

It was 1.25%

[fossil hemlock]

Bit too far away to hear

[lofty depot]

And the rank 1 was 0.75%. which both rounded to 1% on said tooltip.

[fiery kindle]

Should I take Meteorites in m+

[lofty depot]

If u want to

[fiery kindle]

What should I replace to make it worth taking

[lofty depot]

Well I didn't say it was worth taking I said u could

It likely fights with mushroom or if u play rattle, maybe fights with stellar amp but don't think it's better than either

[fiery kindle]

thx

[dense steeple]

Gotcha wasn't sure just knew i was told to switch last week lol

[lofty depot]

U shouldve swapped prior to that silly

[dire stone]

is it me or is eclipse "sticky" like youll hit it and it doesnt seem to go off

i keep finding i know I hit it..but it doesnt go off

[lofty depot]

Press it harder

[crude cobalt]

hi I'm trying to sim my character for raid, 1 target 5 min and it shows crit as my 2nd best stat. Most fights have some AoE component to it, so do I still go with this recommendation or how does haste impact AoE damage?

[fossil hemlock]

Crit good

[wicked shuttle]

KOTG likes both crit and haste. Haste is a little bit better on AOE than it is on ST, but in raid style stuff crit tends to be preferred

[crude cobalt]

thanks, both!

[fossil shard]

What keys are you doing

[crude cobalt]

how does haste impact AoE damage? Just the ability to cast more or are some damage instances hasted (cosmic rapidity)

[fossil shard]

I did rattle with Meteorites FOE and mushroom in a 15 yesterday and it cranked hog btw @lofty depot

[wicked shuttle]

Some abilities like our dots and FOE like haste more than crit just naturally.

In theory if you’d ever go into lunar eclipse (don’t do this in raid aside from paladins) haste would also be better for pressing starfire

[crude cobalt]

makes sense, thanks for clarifying!

[craggy sonnet]

i believe eclipse cant be spell queued

thats why it feels so odd compared to other buttons

[dire stone]

hmm ok that could be why

[craggy sonnet]

hmm, i can see the argument if we are talking about lunation. (and in an m+ setting where you are bound to use a lot of gcds for initial dotting before being able to do dmg)
but for kotg, is there anything that stands out with regards to haste?

[lucid olive]

getting more casts in Eclipse window

[dense steeple]

True

[lofty depot]

Show log

[dense steeple]

Ayo arctic what do you know about the void upgrade thing

Like in 3 weeks do we get to just free upgrade wep/trinkets or do we have to do bullshit to unlock 1 upgrade every x time

[round field]

its the same weekly as the other one

pretty much

[dense steeple]

So 1 upgrade every 4 weeks?

Seems fake

[jade flume]

it'll be a drop

once u unlock the hamma you can loot the upgrade tokens like the catalyst charges

so it should be farmabel

its already a thing in pvp btw

they can upgrade their shit to 298

[lofty depot]

No clue

[dire stone]

so looking at sims... elune (full ST) with umbral embrace over 2kdps higher than keeper

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mMgEfRWMa8qgNDg86nQCLK

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vMc5JN7nSPkGmi1JKkWhXQ

[lofty depot]

Big execute sim

[dense steeple]

Sicc

[dire stone]

are they really that close?

[lofty depot]

Yea EC sims higher that's not anything new

It's impractical to play

[dire stone]

hmm ok, sorry I am new boomy (well BFA..)

doesnt work out off paper you are saying

[lofty depot]

U like casting starfire

[dire stone]

no lol

our resto druid suggested checking it out for when he has to flex boomy..he plays that for less complexity

so I simmed it

[ruby badger]

It's usually easier to just learn when to slam treants than it is to maximise uptime as EC

[royal zenith]

Try out both and see for yourself

Easier then trusting class discords opinion….

[lofty depot]

That's an opinion too, so should ignore that as well

[dire stone]

hmm ok

[normal pilot]

try both out is not an opinion that's a suggestion

[royal zenith]

I dunno I wanted to try out EC in raid yday, was not that bad

[lofty depot]

I've been playing it for belo

[normal pilot]

and calling it impractical is bordering on hyperbole

[royal zenith]

You also generate quite a lot of AP for movement

[dire stone]

I am just trying to get reps and learn the spec better - been a melee/tank since after BFA so its a bit of a change

mythic paladins soon, so it would be EC

[normal pilot]

it was a lot worse in tww with less instants and no wrath usage at all but it's in a better state now

[jolly delta]

if i see another belor one shot group

i will punch someone

let me do the boss normally instead of wiping 20 times because shitters cant press their buttons

[sudden flame]

[exotic perch]

I gotta play my ele shaman for that

Blasting intermission damage

[lofty depot]

Surely

[exotic perch]

Fight is interesting though watching others figure out their jobs

[lofty depot]

It's fun not having a job

[exotic perch]

Meanwhile i just afk in the middle hitting chain lightning

[lofty depot]

Then again they were trying to get me to roar halfway through the intermission and Im probably in convoke and will not be pressing that button right away

[exotic perch]

Yeah thats a wind rush angle

[digital berry]

what fight do we even use convoke on

[lofty depot]

Belo silly

[exotic perch]

Beloren is the only one

[digital berry]

oh im not there yet

p2 prog on crown

[lofty depot]

Might try keeper tonight idk

[exotic perch]

Ele sham is op for that fight tho

Zooming around blasting is a good vibe

[lofty depot]

U doing over 10m or

[digital berry]

wait ec on belo is a thing? Huh?

[lofty depot]

Ye

[digital berry]

eww

[exotic perch]

I averaged like 8.5m most pulls

[lofty depot]

There's plenty of people that killed with either tbf

[lofty depot]

Ur missing like 3mil dam

Figure it out

[exotic perch]

Hey now i cant get blessed rng

[digital berry]

i jsut assumed since a lot of the dmg is amp you got more value from trrees

[lofty depot]

Its 30s egg phase

[lucid olive]

beloren doesnt have amp

[lofty depot]

Trees isn't up the whole time

[lucid olive]

its just "do as much dam in 30 sec (+ change) as possible"

[digital berry]

oh i got it all wrong

[lucid olive]

i guess healers have amp during intermission since they're debuffed during the phase?

[exotic perch]

Whats the bet they nerf crown and egg hp on friday

[lofty depot]

Uhhh, idk if u catch a belo nerf this week

[leaden birch]

good to know I was running an old dreamgrove m+ build which sims like 5% lower

[raven escarp]

Is it worth spending bonus rolls for HC Vaelgor ( I don't have either gaze nor vaelgor) or spend them in WC for a hearth or feather

[lucid olive]

heroic vaelgor is better than any myth track m+ trinket

but you should spend your bonus rolls on dungeons and bosses with the highest likelihood of getting an upgrade

instead of straight rolling for chase items

[raven escarp]

Hmm OK, my other gear is pretty good, all hero or myth track, except rings and trinkets

So it would either be that or spending rolls in nexus point

[rare wedge]

so In m+ my opener is not good, what is the correct opener ?

[lucid olive]

Moonfire mobs when tank is gathering the pull
Sunfire when pull is gathered
Fury of Elune
Incarn+Starfall

spend procs

[crisp moon]

vibe

[rare wedge]

ok thank you Gamz

Now I need to spend more, open correctly and die less in keys

[lucid olive]

if you're at 2 charges of Eclipse and you have Incarn available you can probably enter Eclipse before dotting as well

[rare wedge]

so in case I got 2 charges lunar eclipse Its better to enter firts in Lunar eclipse, dotting, then incarn ?

[lucid olive]

yeah basically

gotta be more careful to not rip threat though

[rare wedge]

ok ok

and it can be the opener for the first pack in keys ?

[lucid olive]

ye

[fathom nebula]

Question that no one has ever asked before... Does normal dungeon give vault?

[lucid olive]

don't think so

but i could be wrong

normal dungeons aren't seasonal but they still drop seasonal gear i think

[normal pilot]

hmmm. wonder if better to starfall->foe->inc due to starfall delay

[quiet citrus]

wowheads trolling again right?

[lucid olive]

again?

go check the gear page on the moonkin guide instead of the news article

i wasn't asked to weigh in on the news article

[dense steeple]

The fact that wowhead put out an article saying "heres all the loottables" and people click it is insane

You already have all the loot tables

[normal pilot]

why's it insane

[lucid olive]

+1 click

[dense steeple]

Because you already have all the loot tables

Just now you have it twice

[normal pilot]

where i don't see it in a single place

[dense steeple]

Dungeon journal is a single place

[normal pilot]

no it's not, it's separated by dungeon

• i have to log into the game

[spice roost]

raidbots

has it and u dont have to log in

[lucid olive]

yes you do

[spice roost]

no u can type ur toon name and convert to sim

and server

[normal pilot]

most ppl don't use raidbots, but they do look at wowhead

[spice roost]

there issue tbh

[dense steeple]

Wowhead almost as bad as blizzard at this point

Ragebait article names and info that half brain dead monkeys already knew

[lucid olive]

god forbid there are 3rd party sources

[normal pilot]

ok but you're playing a blizzard game so looking at wowhead sounds like on-par

[spice roost]

cant blame wowhead for getting clicks

[dense steeple]

Riddled with ads

Need 3 adblockers to fix it

[normal pilot]

idk sounds like it's a good match for wow players

[lucid olive]

i don't see a single ad on wowhead

using just 1 adblocker

[dense steeple]

Maybe im not a wow player anymore and im just going through the motions

[lucid olive]

maybe you should fix yours if you need 3

[normal pilot]

you play wow and you check wowhead, seems like everyting's working as intended

[viscid rampart]

I bonus rolled myth track weapon in Nexus. Should I take it to 289 and replace my 285 crafted wep and craft a new 285 off-piece with arcanoweave?

[lucid olive]

sure

you can sim it, but its probably an upgrade yeah

but should sim it to find out for sure which slot you should craft in

[viscid rampart]

Alright! ty

[normal pilot]

oh hm guess starfall delay isn't long enough for foe to tick. so would have to do annoying shit like foe->starfall->inc after half gcd

[lucid olive]

I was thinking if there's maybe a reason on ST to start using Starfall to spend if you're gonna enter Eclipse/Incarn soon

remember how it was a gain to proc Pulsar with Starfall

[normal pilot]

ya might be since they've unnerfed it

[fickle pier]

Just reading the tooltip seems unlikely. Surge does 50% more damage per cast for 9 less AP

Eclipse is 15% damage

[normal pilot]

you get boat as well maybe not in ecl but inc idk

[fickle pier]

yeah, interesting to think about. My napkin brain math wants to say no tho

if it affects stellar amp uptime at all it is surely a no

if specced into dog, probably no

[royal zenith]

very worried about napkin math based on tooltips..

[craggy sonnet]

spending ap before incarn that you do not build back up is not great i think

[frosty garden]

Are there any specific pulls or situations we're using Ursol's this season in M+? I haven't really seen a reason to cast it outside of helping the tank kite in panic mode.

[lucid olive]

Ursol + Typhoon to stop mobs

[harsh herald]

If you're been typhooning without ursols

Your group hates you

[royal zenith]

maybe they need to grow up and interrupt mobs

[round field]

oh yeah

when was the last time you interrupted a mob

[royal zenith]

yday

[harsh herald]

Ursols + typhoon to stack them up

Then beam 4 casts

Be the hero

[fickle pier]

beam is pretty good this dungeon set

[round field]

thats dps loss compared to pressing 2 dps spells

so ur wrong

[dusky orchid]

So if i have a myth feral weapon and only hero balance weapon, can i justify playing balance ever lol

Stat prio is about the same right? Well i also have myth puzzlebox and heroic alnseer trinket

[harsh herald]

Your bound to bonus roll an int weapon

Then you just upgrade that baby for free

[dusky orchid]

Yeah true! Ill just balance spec bonus rolls

Love the free upgrades

My balance sim feel so sas compared to feral lol

[dense steeple]

Jokes on you,the tank immediately moves them anyway after I stack them every single time

[lofty depot]

Sims don't matter

Feral fake

[dense steeple]

Feral sims for like150k st

Does like 95k on egg burn

Useless spec

[round field]

feral sim is turbo fake

[dreamy locust]

My sims saying full crit flask and gems

At least for ST

[lucid olive]

cool

[dreamy locust]

I dont like replacing haste

haste feelsgoodman stat

https://i.imgur.com/hUiO7Zv.png

I went and full farmed some haste offpieces and re-gemmed for vanguard

[digital berry]

Did ferals just not update their apl or smth why they sim so high

[dreamy locust]

A bit annoying I cant lie

[normal pilot]

they do good sustained st

too bad there's no sustained st fight

[dreamy locust]

Feral in same spot its been in, ST boss sitter

But unholy is the same thing with 3x better utility and tank

[uncut idol]

Wowanalyzer + balance druid = how far off?

[normal pilot]

unholy does good burst st too

feral doesnt' even do that

[digital berry]

goood enough to cover the basics

[dreamy locust]

Hippo was like top in their p3/p4 lura

But idk if thats cause their unholys poop

He also titanforged a PI

[normal pilot]

on a long enough st window feral's good ya

stuff like egg, no

[dreamy locust]

I think p4 luras pretty short

[uncut idol]

Thanks

[dreamy locust]

I dont remember total length

Its like a minute nvm

thought a bit shorter

[royal zenith]

yeah pretty weird we're using egg-phase as a standard

[dreamy locust]

60-90 sec

[royal zenith]

cause ww monk is like owning this entire raid right

[dreamy locust]

I mean specs you bring to that fight are specs that do egg burst

[royal zenith]

sure, but doesnt have anything to do with a 5 min sustained ST sim

[normal pilot]

it doesn't ya

ppl are just stupid

• you get those comparison sheets running around at start of xpac

making ppl even more dumber

[dreamy locust]

Sim sheets is usable info, just not something to blindly follow

[normal pilot]

no it's not

[dreamy locust]

ok

[uncut idol]

if i remember correct KOTG was better in lower keys due to everything dying so fast and the ramp up with EC is too long, still a thing?

[royal zenith]

not really

or well, how low

[uncut idol]

yeah thats my next question lol, how low 😄

[lucid olive]

it depends on the relative power of your group

I could sit here and say "you should go EC on keys higher than +12!"

[uncut idol]

well it feels like shits dying so fast in 12 that my dotting takes so much time that i lose on dps

[lucid olive]

but if you are playing with a bunch of people who are 240 ilvl for example, you would probably want EC down even at +7 or +8 since the packs would last longer

[lofty depot]

Are u slow or

[dreamy locust]

You dont need to full dot packs in 12 if its like lust all cds

Just moonfire gather as many as u can, sunfire and blast

[lucid olive]

I also think if you're still learning then sticking with just 1 hero talent is better

If you're doing low dmg then I can almost guarantee it's not the hero talent that's causing it

[uncut idol]

dunno, am i?

[dreamy locust]

Like algethar first pull, If you dotting every lasher

In a 12 in a good group

[uncut idol]

stop mf when shits gathered?

[dreamy locust]

Just depends how long pack lasts

[drifting nova]

the real crux is dots bad

mobs die too fast

[dreamy locust]

Like I said, alg first pull or pit first pull

[drifting nova]

improved by fusing dots together in incarn

[dreamy locust]

Im not moonfiring everything

Cause everyone will cd and lust

its not worth the gcd's

[lucid olive]

Stop spreading Moonfire after like 5-6 casts

[drifting nova]

what even is the jump from 10 to 12

[lucid olive]

So about 10-12 affected mobs assuming Twin Moons got full value

[drifting nova]

its linear no?

[dreamy locust]

It's 10% per level

Is like napkin math number

[drifting nova]

so..linear

[dreamy locust]

No its not linear thats just the easy number to guesstimate

Im psure

[lucid olive]

when simming dungeonroutes the sweet spot for Moonfire seemed to be around 10-12 affected targets, at least for the 1st pull in Algethar

[drifting nova]

I'm lazy and max out at 4casts

[lucid olive]

I think if you've spread Moonfire 5 times and the pack is gathered that is probably enough

if the pack is not fully gathered yet can just keep slamming it until it is

[uncut idol]

perf

[lucid olive]

but like, this "EC better at higher keys" stuff is more of a TWW thing I think

Keeper has some more burst but it's not by a lot

[uncut idol]

thanks

[drifting nova]

buff starfire already

cowards

[lucid olive]

we already had a season with starfire as highest dmg spell

[drifting nova]

good

[lucid olive]

it's your fault you spent the entire season in here complaining

[drifting nova]

its the focal point of the hero talents

[lucid olive]

instead of playing

[drifting nova]

IT SHOULD BE

[dreamy locust]

Just keep EC out of my raid bosses