balance

[royal zenith]

:)

[pseudo merlin]

[dull dust]

why does turbo boost exist

cant we just get less crests a week and not have some stupid event thing

[lofty depot]

ok so like late ce guilds that are extending after paladins

that only ill those bosses 1 time

have fun rerolling not ur bis for 3 months

kek

[royal zenith]

the rich getting richer

even though they dont even need the gear

what a BAAAADDDD system

designed for m+ers??

[pseudo merlin]

dont forget...

the worst part...

You only need a +10 for mythic loot

you need to kill a MYTHIC RAID BOSS for for raid loot

LITERALLY M+er system

fucking over the raiders

[lofty depot]

ur right it should be 15s

[pseudo merlin]

18S

[drifting nova]

so you can play the game duh

[royal zenith]

zero novelty in rolling for items when you already have hof on chimmy

Ill be honest

CE raiders everywhere..

[dense steeple]

Fake CE raiders

[drifting nova]

woah same with heroic there

[meager storm]

its actually funny seeing people with the hof chimmy title

[drifting nova]

hc is deadge even for only aotcers

[meager storm]

[dense steeple]

I had some guy link me his CE chim to get into a m+ group and I was like "okay"

[lofty depot]

whats also fun is im likely only getting 1 or 2 more vaelgor kills

then we extend and not go into voidspire

[dense steeple]

Extend or not go in pick one

[lofty depot]

soooooooooo 50/50 my vaelgor rolls for 2 weeks, dont get lucky

[royal zenith]

I would also get my alt boosted for one heroic raid

[lofty depot]

prog lura with champ vaelgors

[royal zenith]

it's just how the system works

shrimple

[dense steeple]

You dont need to extend VS for that

[dull dust]

how does boomkin prog lura

[drifting nova]

carefully

[lofty depot]

well we extend and dont go into voidspire

meaning i would have to find a pug for 4

[royal zenith]

you probably gain more dps from 1% per week than reclear

[lofty depot]

good luck with that sily

[dense steeple]

By swapping to dev

[dull dust]

[dense steeple]

My dev already 278

[lofty depot]

swap to guardian prob

[dense steeple]

Wearing 250 chim trinket

[royal zenith]

yeah just look at oi

bear-jail

[dull dust]

telling ur rl

[lofty depot]

surprised they didnt make adept do it too lol

he bear belor

dwilkz bamkin

[dense steeple]

Im gonna get swapped to dev im calling it

[pseudo merlin]

OKAY BUT

how many dogs?

[dense steeple]

Im the only one with a mythic viable alt at this point other than our tanks

Im at 28 for the month rn

[royal zenith]

is there any kill on lura with a bamkin?

[pseudo merlin]

holy

two thirds buddy

that's barely 1.5 a day

[dense steeple]

Every few days I slam 3 or 4 🙂

[pseudo merlin]

ok ok

[dense steeple]

This weekend was nice so we had a cookout

[drifting nova]

wait its monday already oh no

[dense steeple]

Slammed 4 Saturday alone

Found a box of 16 dogs at the store yesterday

Easy purchase

[lofty depot]

why is that a problem

thats badass

[dense steeple]

Its not a problem

[lofty depot]

no

[lucid olive]

even shroomee played resto

[royal zenith]

such is life

[formal crest]

hello, alfred

[inland glacier]

when do you wrath over starfire on EC

pure ST?

[lucid olive]

ST outside of Eclipse

[inland glacier]

ok so very rarely

[dense steeple]

correct

[reef mist]

Is there any "raid guide" for boomies? Like if I'd rather Starfall or starsurge on P1 crown 🤔 I know warlock had/has something like this but I can't find any good info for boomie rather than going through logs

[dense steeple]

no we dont hold your hand that way here

[reef mist]

Alright 😄 logs and vods it is then 😅

[dense steeple]

sorry

we give talents, recommendations but no guide per boss

[reef mist]

All good. In the end it's always the right thing to do

[stone ledge]

Deep dive logs for casts

[spice forum]

pad is rad

[static sluice]

Does anybody know of a good unitframe addon that allows me to show dots on raid bosses in the boss frame? My moonkin is getting whiplash from playing dragons ..

[lucid olive]

any addon with boss frames probably

elvui, unhalted, danders, ellesmereui

etcetcetc

[static sluice]

Danders has unitframes for bossframes? I just dont want a full conversion like elvui or ellesmere. I will see if unhalted does the trick

[lucid olive]

no clue who has what, i only use elvui

but i imagine any addon with unit frames includes a boss frame

[analog moat]

Danders is friendly nameplates only.

I use midnight simple unit frames and it might, I'm not on my druid to test atm.

[lucid olive]

I know Unhalted has boss frames at least, I used it during prepatch

[pallid bay]

it just walks in and kills the boss

not that deep

[dull dust]

ill have what ur having

[junior minnow]

Is it possible to press starfall too frequently?

[lucid olive]

Yes

on single target

[fair pasture]

What would this accomplish

[lucid olive]

there has not been a lot of PTR testing for them

no way to know if theyre bugged or not

[fair pasture]

Ah okay

[dull dust]

ill use them first

[normal pilot]

what if they bug out and you get free items

[dull dust]

hes right

lose 100% of the bets u dont take

[drifting nova]

are they this week?

do I need a phd to parse them?

[dull dust]

yes

[normal pilot]

no just ask claude

[drifting nova]

idk anyone french

[dull dust]

Claude too expensice

@lunar haven

[drifting nova]

speaking of I've not done a 10 aaaaa

[normal pilot]

smh broke peasants

[drifting nova]

maintenance mode tuff

[rough flax]

Gamz, I see that the m+ talent were adjusted.
the starweaver /rattle note is shown as optinal.
Is there specific reason why starweaver now shows as the recommend part instead of rattle ?
Is it based on what the players on the highest keys play ?

[lucid olive]

it really depends on the key

theres some high keys with starweaver and some high keys with rattle

its yellow cause its a choice node and which one you take is optional

[drifting nova]

what if I choose not to take it

[rough flax]

then it would show as red

[drifting nova]

choice node, make choice, wrong?

[lucid olive]

well kekkers exclusively plays the red talents

[drifting nova]

I dont even want to do a10 this week thats how much I dont play

just drop classic+ already blizzz

[rough flax]

but is there a logic behind the decision making., in which key you take what ?
Because on the description its mention that starweaver is good for multiple targets.
But in my expierence it fel;t that rattle felt superior for more starfall spam while starweaver surge procs was more for focusing the big chunky adds

so by the description do we take starweaver for keys with big aoe pulls and rattle when there is more small packs /prio targets

or is it the otherway around ?

[lucid olive]

refresh the page in like 5 min

[rough flax]

👌

[lucid olive]

the part that says starweaver good in multi target was talking about raid, but i just speedran it when i wrote it

i specified its about raid and added a line about m+ below

[dull dust]

gamz

we gotta rewrite it again

[lucid olive]

rewrite this

[rough flax]

thanks for clarifying

[dull dust]

[dreamy cove]

Not sure how to best test or phrase this but for beloren first egg I've been using ec but see that 2nd ca with cvk/foe is doing just as much or more damage than just first ca. I should be using trinket on 2nd ca right?

logs for reference

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Nk7cVWbZMAgQmC2K?fight=4&phase=2&type=damage-done&source=11

[lucid olive]

no clue, i play keeper

perfect line ups no delay on convoke !

[fossil shard]

yeah there is simply no way ec is the way here

[lucid olive]

oh there is

EC is pretty good on beloren

[fossil shard]

i refuse

i will not be lead on

[lucid olive]

i just think the timers are cringe so i play keeper instead

[dreamy cove]

when I started prepping ec did more p2 damage than kotg in the few public logs so I just stuck with it didn't want to change halfway

[lucid olive]

i think if you do EC with Incarn and you get PI then you're beating the Windwalkers

but why do that when you can play convoke and chill

[fossil shard]

thats fair

[dreamy cove]

o is pi that stronger for ec

[fossil shard]

oh hell ya

haste good

for ec

[dreamy cove]

maybe I ask for it over hunter...

[lucid olive]

yeah try it

[dreamy cove]

how does my logic sound from my initial post

[lucid olive]

but I think its probably a bit harder to play

not having the 5 second Convoke channel

[dreamy cove]

o it's incarn not convoke?

[lucid olive]

ye

[dreamy cove]

maybe I just stick to convoke then lol

[lucid olive]

Convoke dogshit with PI

[dull dust]

[lucid olive]

I'm not sure, I think just try using trinket on different ones and see which one does most dam

[unkempt ore]

whos giving balance PI 😢

[dull dust]

can remove the with pi part

[dreamy cove]

I forgot I was gonna try 1 prog night ago but forgot

[fossil shard]

depends on whomst be piloting said druid

lol

[lucid olive]

I played half the night with Dreamstate and Keeper as well

that was kinda cringe

[fossil shard]

fuck off lmfao

mfin dreamstate

LOL

[lucid olive]

faster wrath casts during egg

[fossil shard]

insane cook

[lucid olive]

I think for EC its good

[dreamy cove]

I swapped from mushroom to the one giving extra ap feelycraft...

or was it extra ap from gens I forgot

[lucid olive]

yeah i think both of those are fine

not a fan of sunseeker

its probably good for the fight overall

but youre stopping dps so who cares

[dreamy cove]

yeah I only considered for p2 damage

[lucid olive]

i think active mushrooms could be good but then you also have FoE and Convoke so you're just button slopped up at that point

i simmed some 40 second talent stuff for fun and these came out on top

which kinda makes sense i guess

but also don't take sims as gospel innit

[dreamy cove]

isn't dreamstate for out of eclipse stuff?

[lucid olive]

you bring it with you from p1

[dreamy cove]

oh I didn't consider that

[lucid olive]

and make sure your incarn either times out so you get another proc during egg before pressing incarn again

[lofty depot]

well convoke is the most of ur damage

soooooooooooooooooo yes

[lucid olive]

or cancelaura your incarn maybe at like 10 seconds and send another so you still have incarn entire phase?

[lofty depot]

u can send pot with first

[lucid olive]

i was also thinking about like

fitting 2 CA ascendant stars buffs into 1 treant window

manaforge style

[lofty depot]

can u not just spend the stars then ca ?

or does it not come up if ur already in ca

[lucid olive]

yeah like

[lofty depot]

so i need a cancelaura macro

nice

[lucid olive]

treants ca surge surge surge ca convoke

[lofty depot]

lockennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[fossil shard]

i hate you for even suggesting this lol

[lucid olive]

idk its probably bad with CA since that means you won't have it for the entire burn

[unkempt ore]

i missed the start of this, is this with the intention of 1 phasing the boss??

or youre doing this every burn?

[lucid olive]

can only double CA the first burn

also i'm just making shit up

[unkempt ore]

thats what i thought

[lucid olive]

you can try it if you want but there is no guarantee

[unkempt ore]

yes well i gathered there was some serious gordon ramsey shit going on here

[dull dust]

wtf

lying on the internet

[lucid olive]

idk man you pull beloren for 70 times or something with 0 assignments

you just start thinking about shit

[unkempt ore]

i actually came here to ask what people are thinking for bonus rolls, im going to send one on dragons but not sure what to do apart from that

[lucid olive]

really depends how geared your character is

i updated thing on wowhead earlier

[unkempt ore]

ah i hadnt seen apologies

will go read

[lofty depot]

i get it without cancelauraing

me confused

[lucid olive]

i was talking about dreamstate

[lofty depot]

oh

seekhelp

[lucid olive]

xdddd

[lofty depot]

kk now have to do it

but then again

[unkempt ore]

we can only bonus roll 1 mythic boss next week right

[lofty depot]

just use them 4head

i need a weakaura for the castbar

[dull dust]

[lucid olive]

no clue

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova

[drifting nova]

I've spent the day thinking if I should respec

finally did amox atleast

[lofty depot]

u would need to save bonus roll from vault and then use it the following week

but yes normally

[dull dust]

bros rich

[pseudo merlin]

god this game is SO easy

[dull dust]

[pseudo merlin]

im on like 5-15 KC each

[dull dust]

bros got all the triangles

[drifting nova]

..want to do skot but cant get totem

aaaa

[pseudo merlin]

coiuld be you kekkers

[drifting nova]

I max a 12-12 thank you very much

[dull dust]

small

[drifting nova]

and an obby hit for 25

when it turns up

[pseudo merlin]

gamer

[drifting nova]

atp idk what to even put points into for like thorns

[unkempt ore]

Ye I was just thinking of rolling on both dragons the following week as I already have one of the NPX rings on myth, assuming I don't get either trinket by other means

[lofty depot]

that would also assume ur able to use 2 rerolls on the same boss

[unkempt ore]

I mean one on Valegor and one on chimaerus

[drifting nova]

so hows it work

[unkempt ore]

I am assuming we can only roll a boss once per kill, so just once in mythic

[pseudo merlin]

what kekker

[drifting nova]

the coin thingy

[pseudo merlin]

you build the forge

[drifting nova]

oh the manaforge thing

[pseudo merlin]

and then you get 2 coins which you can spend to bonus roll

m+ rolls cost 1, raid rolls cost 2

m+ item level is same as vault

[drifting nova]

why in fuck would you ever roll raid

G R I E F I N G

[pseudo merlin]

i mean maybe ezzorak and chim

for some those are 4 loot bosses

[drifting nova]

tf does chim have

[pseudo merlin]

if you dont need anything else

what?

One of the best trinkets in the history of the game?

what do you mean

[drifting nova]

I got belt 1st week and not been back since

that and I hate druid with the fire of hell

[exotic perch]

druid is a bit sad yeah

only been liek 3 expacs

[dense steeple]

Too bad bis trinket for everyone is in there huh

[drifting nova]

idk wasnt bad last xpac but now its dead

apex bad pass it on

[delicate perch]

that seems a bit much

it's certainly not op

[pseudo merlin]

its so good for so many people

[delicate perch]

ya

good because every other trinket is losing to a champ track void trinket

it's 1.3% over the void trinket for me

that feels not very good for a 6/6 myth trinket

[lucid olive]

Only OP trinket is Vaelgor

For balance at least

[delicate perch]

yep

grab stare, grab stat stick

logout

[lucid olive]

And that shit is better at 250 than a 289 trinket

[delicate perch]

myth stare (over heroic stare) is 0.9%

[lucid olive]

I dropped heroic warbound ribbon from Alleria

Sent it right to my DH

[delicate perch]

[lucid olive]

I'm devouring now

[delicate perch]

I got a warbound tank trinket from dragons

so close yet so far

[lucid olive]

W

[drifting nova]

what are these trinkets you speak of

[delicate perch]

drums

[lucid olive]

Go get the trinket from renown in Voidstorm

[drifting nova]

I

[lucid olive]

It's very good

[drifting nova]

cba doing that event

again

and I might already have it

idk

[lucid olive]

Another L for Dr. K. Ekkers

[drifting nova]

and it simmed worse

[pseudo merlin]

2 in a row

[true viper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/766349238941777931/1131266466289819779/caption.gif

[dreamy cove]

I fumbled my keys and didn't use trinket until after convoke on beloren kill fml

[lofty depot]

i just cancel auraed ca before convoke

ama

oopsie poopsie

[dreamy cove]

lol

[grave cave]

wheres a good training dummy for single target that won't get cleaved?

[lofty depot]

dornogal at the top of towers

[proud hinge]

in 2 target do we use starsurge or starfall?

[lofty depot]

starfall

[pseudo merlin]

im being terrorised by an owl

[inland stump]

are we just dead if we don't have barkskin or bear form in 15s

[lofty depot]

u have hotw

[inland stump]

yeah i pop that in bear form

but after that its just pray yeah

[lofty depot]

hjealer diff prob

but yea

i dont really feel a problem tbf

[inland stump]

oh yeah im not complaining i was just surprised how much damage goes on in those

[vital hound]

@delicate perch login

[delicate perch]

day raiding?????

[vital hound]

[delicate perch]

love it

[vital hound]

not meant to raid

meant to loot

[delicate perch]

yea wtf

[vital hound]

[delicate perch]

???

cheating the system

[vital hound]

bro 300k for a norm full clear

and i get any cloth

yes please

[delicate perch]

not bhad

rerolls next week too

[vital hound]

sheepsixseven lfg

[vital hound]

@delicate perch log IN

im actually insane

[delicate perch]

LFG

[round field]

<@&114146878353833984> smite this fiend

[jaunty blaze]

Janis asleep 😭

[delicate perch]

omg I'm rich

[coral wyvern]

Any one have some insight to whar mythic plus thinkers are going to be bis outside of raid trinkets

I suspect the ones from MC will just stay bis with the scale increase

[round field]

probably

most m+ trinkets are very dookiepoopoo

[coral wyvern]

Yeah

Also the wow head guide, dream Grove and blood mallet all have various differences of opinion on the trinkets

I have normal mode ribbon and mythic track heart of the wild

Ribbon is wildly good on dungeons you can stay in combat the whole time

Maintaining 8 to 10 stacks for like 90% of most dungeons

But unless they have some returning dungeons thst have good trinkets next season m+ may stay a bust

[round field]

well ye its the same as the undermine trinket

[vital hound]

Bloodmallet

[deft crown]

are we still wanna stack haste for m+ like before or its out of the window wit hthe eclipse change?

[round field]

sim

[spice roost]

is this coming week giving a catalyst charge or is that next week after

[slender island]

shhhhhhh... be careful or someone will ask again how to sim for m+

[round field]

week after methinks

[spice roost]

alright

[rough flax]

You should have 4 by now tho

Which makes you unlock unlimited catalyst

[spice roost]

i do i have a mythic helm i want to cata

[rough flax]

If you have 4 set

Normal content drops catalyst charges

[spice roost]

i need charges to drop

[rough flax]

Its quite common

[spice roost]

ya i used some on other mythic pieces

i havent gotten many on my mage is were im wanting them atm

its rng

i am aware of how it works

[rough flax]

Yh well its not up to me to tell you how you play ur game

[spice roost]

what

[rough flax]

But if you do a few dungeon

You actually get them fast

[spice roost]

ive ran 30 this week got 1 charge

again its rng

[rough flax]

Wtf

[spice roost]

just shit luck

[rough flax]

You sure you are completing then ?

[spice roost]

i have 4 on my druid atm

[rough flax]

Thats really unlucky

[spice roost]

mhmm

[rough flax]

Cuz i have like 8/8 on most of my chars

[spice roost]

ya its just unlucky

[rough flax]

And i did use them on random pieces

[spice roost]

cool

[rough flax]

I guess you just another 20 dungeon short

[rough flax]

Yh goodluck

[spice roost]

no idea

[rough flax]

Didn't know it could go this bad

[spice roost]

ya idk on my main i had lots drop all the time on my alt that has had 4set for weeks 2 charges the whole time dropped

[round field]

its not thaat fast

ive gotten 1 from 20 something keys

[spice roost]

its just rng

[round field]

also

i catalyzed a champ helmet instead of a hero one cause im blind

[spice roost]

that does suk

[sudden flame]

i got 5 catalyst charges just sitting on the main doing nothing

i wish i could give them to my alt who has zero in 10 keys

[spice roost]

i have 4 on my main atm

thats how my alt ones are going too

so many keys no extra charges

[flint drift]

on the dreamgrove site, it lists the M+ talents but should i actively swap them around or do i want to be taking a cookie cutter? Like it doesnt have the wild mushrooms is it worth for example

[royal zenith]

what do you prefer?

[round field]

a lot of talents do very little

can go off vibes

[flint drift]

well im vibing but i also like the fact i could summon a little wolf and a little dragon sometimes haha

[round field]

you can pick them

theyre not very good but

theyre nicely color coded

[royal zenith]

that's a bit contradicting

[round field]

green is take red is dont take yellow is vibe

[royal zenith]

getting mixed signals here iqni

talents do very little but they're not very good??

smh

[flint drift]

ty

[round field]

how is that contradicting

talent doing very little = not being good

[royal zenith]

if talents have little to no impact

how do you define them as not good

[round field]

thats exactly how

big impact good

[royal zenith]

that basically means; don't pick them

[round field]

low impact not very good

correct

[royal zenith]

aka they do enough

[round field]

but you have to

[royal zenith]

to decide not to pick them

so they don't do little

[round field]

wrong

stop ragebaiting its not even 12

[flint drift]

i was more interested in the -yellow is vibe i got the gist of it : )

[slender island]

vibe, yes, but also situational? wild mushrooms can be very impactful depending on the fight; e.g. in AA it is often #2 biggest dmg on the first boss with the big add spawn, and in general does very well imo in big pulls

[fossil hemlock]

I don't think I'd ever call wild mushrooms "very impactful"

[slender island]

i literally gave an example where it dealt over 20% of my dmg so if that's not impactful then idk what is xd

[fossil hemlock]

If you will wait until I get home I can send you a log where treants do 100% of my damage

[true fog]

how much of a % dmg difference do sims show for the 12.0.5 changes?

[static sluice]

Do you guys think it is better to use the bonus roll on NXP where basically any item is an upgrade or on chimaerus to finally get that shitty trinket? (it will take quite some time for me to get ribbon mythic)

[delicate perch]

maybe sim it and make a choice

[maiden pasture]

Dragons

[delicate perch]

[maiden pasture]

All depends on what youre doing and what your goals are. If you're prog focused then getting as strong as possible for last boss prog is the prio then probably going for something like gaze might be better but then you have to factor in if your guild is going to give it to you if it drops

Not really an easy answer for what you use it on, I'm just gonna vibe it out lowkirk

[ruby badger]

I think NXP would be better

if the non ring pieces are also upgrades for you

the loot pool for a balance druid in NXP is 7, Chimaerus is 4, so I think it would only take 3 weeks to guarantee your drops from NXP, but 4 for Chimaerus

but you can always get jewelry marginally worse than NXP's, trinkets kinda fall off hard after the top raid trinkets

so it just depends what your mythic clears are looking like

[maiden pasture]

Also depends what your crest situation looks like

Taking chim loot is more crest efficient, dungeon loot is 1/6 myth so you gotta spend 80 whole crests to get that shit up

[fossil hemlock]

My favorite dungeon of the season, Nexus-Xoint Penas

[maiden pasture]

I personally will be coining paladins, I have 2 stare and gaze myth alr

[static sluice]

Basically anything in NXP is an upgrade except for the back. Weapon is not a great one but will do until a better one drops. I guess I'll see what the vault gives next week and also if there is a way to get to 285 this reset

[static sluice]

tbf I always use it as NeXusPoint. Which doesnt make any sense but it works in my head

[round field]

i would never have guess what nxp stands for

ngl

[spice roost]

is there any downsiode to using ribbon over gaze both sim pretty equal for me

if i had the choice i mean

[round field]

Only losers run ribbon

[indigo ether]

Anyone have any luck simming for M+?

[indigo ether]

Someone said Ribbon is bad for M+

but I don't have any version of Gaze

[round field]

Depends how you pull

[indigo ether]

which one is better for all group types

I pug so tanks will do and pull how they want

[round field]

Gaze

[indigo ether]

What kind of pulls does ribbon win out?

[round field]

Prob long chain pulls

If it even wins out thrn

Pretty sure gaze is just better regardless

[indigo ether]

any ideas how to sim+?

[round field]

Can probably do dungeonroute sims

But i personally find dungeon sims a waste of time

[delicate perch]

spend time doing a dungeon sim to do the dungeon nothing like the sim does

[indigo ether]

Normal Gaze vs Heroic Ribbon

Ribbon Sims better

but Im talking for M+ specifically

[dire osprey]

Unless u got a tank that chainpulls the entire dung id prob use gaze

[fossil hemlock]

I tried to run some longer sims and I just couldn't get ribbon to sim better than gaze at identical ilvl

[indigo ether]

kk

ty

[pseudo kernel]

on wowheads single target rotation as elune it says starfire to generate power, and consume it with starsurge. and during opener rotation it has 3-4 wraths. what role does wrath play exactly? i thought youd do starfire only in aoe situtation.

[fossil hemlock]

You can cast wrath without pulling, that's it

EC has a talent that prevents them from going into solar eclipse, and massively buffs starfire

[pseudo kernel]

so in a single target, boss fight, youd never cast wrath after the opener_

(as elune that is)

[jaunty blaze]

You can cast it outside of eclipse

[fossil hemlock]

Yeah it's not mentioned on wowhead guide, unlucky

I guess it's not a big deal either way

[pseudo kernel]

yeah so yesterday i was wrath+surge both in and out of eclipse for single and starfire+starfall for multi, both in and out.

so i can improve on that:)

[jaunty blaze]

Surge and starfall have nothing to do with the elicpse you're in

[pseudo kernel]

starfall+starfire(

[jaunty blaze]

Nvm I misread ig

But if you're playing ec you always starfire in eclipse

No matter the target count

[pseudo kernel]

got it, that i wasnt aware of

[jaunty blaze]

Starfire does 120% increased dmg to your main target with lunar calling

[pseudo kernel]

kotg you would decide based on count and then wrath+surge/starfire+starfall then i assume

[fossil hemlock]

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium#rotational-details

[pseudo kernel]

ah thank you i didnt read this one

thanks all

[weary lodge]

are there any situations where you unironically want to use non-shifted HotW over bear form heart, or is it always just personal value?

[ruby badger]

in M+ you could find some applications for the WG

[magic socket]

Is Balance Druid buffed or nerfed in 12.0.5?

[round field]

uhm

neither i guess?

slight buff mby

[dense steeple]

Slight tiny buff

[round field]

Big nothingburger

[bold night]

New / Half & full moon seem like fun button to press, are they that bad so that nobody plays with them ?

[round field]

yes

[bold night]

sad.. thanks !

[slender island]

yeah, i had some fun with it in prepatch but it's just plain worse than foe AND requires more thinking to align the full moon casts AND it is more movement tax 🙁

[royal zenith]

those things were true when it was good too

it's just shit dps atm

shrimple

[fossil hemlock]

It does have one major upside

If you time it right and you're a bit lucky, you can blind your melee who have their camera aiming top down because your full moon spawned in the middle of their screen

[obsidian fjord]

ribbon falls off and shit

[livid jay]

only reason we take orbitbreaker

[rough flax]

In raids i haven't found any decent use for unless its in a random spirit link or w/e. But m+ does.

Seat last boss, second carousel sequence can hurt and bcs you need to move it can lessen the stress on healers. Nexus point second boss. During the dmg amp is also a good to use especially on higher keys like 16+ that shit hurts

Academy bird final phase

Like its not op,But sitting in bear form in those scenarios's is not gonna do much. So better add a burst 20k hps help on the healer

[slender island]

think it comes down to how well you can plan your defensives, with bear stam being more value if you use well, but it must be used before the dmg happens obv; WG can help if you mess up ^^

[digital berry]

What’s the vibe for the loot tokens things? Just sim your options and pray?

[inland glacier]

anyone know what the macro is for mouseover sunfire and moonfire

the one i made doesnt work if you just press it while having a target, its ONLY mouseover

[slender island]

cant log in to check now but it was something like /cast [@mouseover][] moonfire

[] being the fallback to "default behavior" (= target)

[inland glacier]

ill try that

ty

doesnt work for the targeting still

just pure mouseover

[spice roost]

for me nexus point has the most items that are very solid upgrades and 5/7 i can use so

but ya sim it

a few bis rings too

[drifting nova]

is pres piss weak?

abandoned a 7, day starting great

[spice roost]

a 7 ya super low keys suck to run now

it is what it is

[drifting nova]

my bad for only doing 1 10 and 8s dont exist

and sure as shit no one does 9s so no raitng

to get

just delete 9s from the game already smh

[upper anvil]

kekkers still doing 7s? 👀

[drifting nova]

need experience for the 10 (even if I've done half of them), 9s dont exist and I do technically still need crests

[sullen rock]

i just started playing balance. im confused with the rotation guide. how am i meantto enter eclipse in lunar if im casting wrath outside of eclipse?

[lucid olive]

Nebulous Voidcores

1. Vaelgor's Final Stare (this trinket is even better at 250 than any other trinket)
2. Nexus Point rings (this dungeon also drops weapons)
3. Myth track Gaze of the Alnseer (this boss is puggable)
4. Windrunner Spire has bunch of decent items in its loot pool; 3 tier slot items, both weapon slots, double trinkets..
5. If you have almost all of the above at myth track, consider spending your rolls to get the Very Rare neck from Midnight Falls on myth track (but at that point the season is over for you anyway)

Ascendant Voidcores

Your first upgrade should probably be on your weapon, but always sim your character to make sure. Upgrade Vaelgor's Final Stare next and Gaze of the Alnseer last.

Read this if you don't know how the voidforge works

[lofty depot]

If ur saying EC, the eclipse doesn't change

[sullen rock]

yeah in the m+ build

oh so casting wrath wont change it to the nature eclipse?

[lucid olive]

not in EC no

[lofty depot]

Should read your hero talents

[sullen rock]

yea i havnt read every talent just reading rotation first

[lucid olive]

@sharp tangle thanks for giving me the feral pin to copy

[sharp tangle]

np

I also copied it myself (from method guide (which I wrote))

[lucid olive]

based

I wrote different stuff for wowhead and method

[sharp tangle]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HGOKgQqbkAAmeik.webp

[lucid olive]

keeping the readers on their toes

[drifting nova]

whys frost mage so busted wtf

[sharp tangle]

skill issue

[lucid olive]

real

[drifting nova]

high aoe and st

[spice roost]

same with boomie wcyd

[royal zenith]

yeah there's no way

nexus points rings bring more value than 1 mythic gaze

or

I got one of the rings in vault and almost never picked it, when simming

[lucid olive]

it's more about bang for your buck with rerolls

[royal zenith]

and yeah, I had both hc

[drifting nova]

the chim intermission bricks my dam but the mage just doesnt care for it

[royal zenith]

yeah that's fair

[drifting nova]

[lucid olive]

you reroll +10 items into 1/6 myth track

[royal zenith]

(I will roll for mythic gaze)

[lucid olive]

nexus point loot pool has generally better pieces so even if you don't hit a ring you're more likely to get an upgrade

[royal zenith]

also need to upgrade them with cresticles...

[lucid olive]

it's also why windrunner spire is there

[drifting nova]

is amz dk specific or spec now?

[lucid olive]

none of the items in spire except maybe the belt is like "woah this thing is insane"

but the general value of rolling in there is higher than most others

rolling in raids also costs you double

[wild dune]

@drifting nova im gearing war

pit has 8/8 drops

pray for me

[drifting nova]

good, war clears druid

and its fun

[royal zenith]

already hate this system

[wild dune]

good for alts

[lucid olive]

I think the system is good

[drifting nova]

unless you need drag trink surely its just grief rolling raid

[lucid olive]

better than the previous turbo boosts

[wild dune]

my fresh 80 war will have 3 myth pieces this week

if i get lucky and get a weapon?

ITS JOEVER

[drifting nova]

wanted to try get my war a 10 this week but not happening at this rate

[lucid olive]

I wouldn't put much stock into guides on rerolls and shit though cause end of the day it's just about filling out the holes in your character

and that's not something you can rly put in a guide

[wild dune]

yeah i just looked at each dungeon

did some quickmafs

[drifting nova]

might finally be able to replace this

[lucid olive]

my guy did abundance

[wild dune]

wheres ur pit neck

my guy

[drifting nova]

JUST GET THE DROP

[lucid olive]

wheres ur pvp neck???

[drifting nova]

I'M NOT GETTING THE DROPS

[lucid olive]

just queue training grounds

[wild dune]

pvp neck kinda stinky for arms

[lucid olive]

its hero track innit..

[drifting nova]

na this is druid but think my war still has that neck

idk

[wild dune]

its giga mastery tho

and arms has silly crit scaling

[lucid olive]

so is the champ one he linked

[wild dune]

oh

i forgor

[drifting nova]

got the skyreach trink yday big dam

[lucid olive]

its the vers/mast renown neck

[drifting nova]

big critter

[wild dune]

its been 5 weeks since i had that neck on man

[royal zenith]

I can drop you if you want

with pleasure

[drifting nova]

wiped to chim 4x because dogs refuse to swap to adds

[lucid olive]

Kekkers came pre-dropped

so no need

[wild dune]

dented from factory

[drifting nova]

are we in the "only bads play" phase

[wild dune]

[drifting nova]

4dks and only 1 can press amz

[lucid olive]

only saved because of anti waste campaigns

[drifting nova]

I still have a firelands tw wep on for christ sake

[wild dune]

kekkers

[lucid olive]

craft

[drifting nova]

no

[wild dune]

there is no way i outgear you week 1

[drifting nova]

no crafty

[wild dune]

on thischar

come on man

lock in

[drifting nova]

I want to play war but rating is doodoo

and I hate playing druid that has slightly less doodoo

turns out doing something is better than nothing

hell I got declined from a 3 few days ago

[wild dune]

surely you have like

friends

[lucid olive]

I read Squishei from wowhead yesterday say that Midnight gearing would be in a really good state now if they had just shot and deleted crafted items during the beta and kept everything else the same

[wild dune]

i havent pugged all season man

[drifting nova]

they did the smart thing and quit

[lucid olive]

crafted system sucks ass

[drifting nova]

[wild dune]

i like crafted

without crafted id still have a hero weapon

[drifting nova]

crafted IS bad for the game

[wild dune]

source?

[royal zenith]

uh no

[drifting nova]

people only like it bc its free damage

[royal zenith]

crafted is good

it's not always about the most optimal gearing system

[drifting nova]

its an abomination of the old crafting systems it was intending to mimic

[royal zenith]

and I hate to say it

[drifting nova]

it just is

[wild dune]

crafting is just a form of bad-luck protection essentially

[royal zenith]

there's a whole sub-group of players that craft in this game

[exotic perch]

Embellishments just need to go

[drifting nova]

every season since df its been get X crafted you wont replace it

which in turn means if you dont craft you're perma behind

[royal zenith]

you need to keep crafted gear in the game

regardless

[drifting nova]

both in dam and ilvl

do you?

[lucid olive]

I don't think you should feel bad if you do content and a weapon with good stats drop

[drifting nova]

we had 10years of virtually no crafting

[lucid olive]

invalidates a lot of items in the pool

[wild dune]

the alternative is worse

[royal zenith]

I don't think that's true

[exotic perch]

It only feels bad when you need to keep 2 lower ilvl spots bc embellishes

[wild dune]

also it just makes non-raiders feel even worse

[drifting nova]

crafting weps especially just papers over the gaping chasm

of loot being dog

[royal zenith]

you basically always have gear that makes any other drop useless/obsolete

[drifting nova]

to get, to target

[royal zenith]

like vaelgor's stare

[drifting nova]

doing the same key 4000 times to try get an item

isnt fun

[lofty depot]

They should feel worse

[royal zenith]

vaelgor's stare alone makes any other trinket in the game mid

[lucid olive]

These people crafted way before the current system was out and they'll continue to craft after

[drifting nova]

raids outside of trinks are meme drop table wise

[wild dune]

ok enjoy ur dying game?

[lucid olive]

this

[royal zenith]

also disagree

[lofty depot]

Yea fellowship really be thriving

[drifting nova]

you double your tier chance

[lucid olive]

what the fuck am i doing raid for outside of trinkets

[drifting nova]

thats about it

the first half of the raid is just nothing

[wild dune]

the love of the game

[drifting nova]

until 3rd boss

[wild dune]

?

[royal zenith]

also your opinion is colored by doing splits and reclearing mythic 'easily' @lucid olive

[lucid olive]

yeah i mean, that's not relevant for gearing

[lucid olive]

no it's really not

[royal zenith]

yeah it really is

[exotic perch]

For your myth upgrade that you have to wait weeks to upgrade

[lucid olive]

you assume these things about me every time on how i view the game

[exotic perch]

Bc of caps

[lucid olive]

it's kinda tiresome

[royal zenith]

you mentioned sqeishei as a source

?

[lucid olive]

and?

[royal zenith]

he literally views it that way

but okay

[lucid olive]

i just said i saw him talk about it

I don't know Squishei enough to know what "his typical takes are"

it's also not the first time I've said that crafted system sucks

[royal zenith]

I dunno, usually I bring up someone words as a source or opinion I agree with

if I know what they are talking about

else I would use Max as a quote for anything

[ruby badger]

I don't even understand whats trying to be conveyed here

[lucid olive]

me neither

[royal zenith]

aight

[drifting nova]

m+ loot has been way too easy to get for way too long

[royal zenith]

bonus rolls should be deleted from the game before crafted gear

[drifting nova]

"we want crafting to matter"

LITERALLY NOT LIKE THAT

[exotic perch]

M+ loot should really work like the bonus rolls are

[lucid olive]

I gave an opinion about crafted items devaluing general items that drop from M+ and raid outside of the maxed out difficulty, and then get put in a box of "you only think this because this is the person you are"

and that is really disheartening

[exotic perch]

Once i get an item remove it from my pool

[lucid olive]

so i'm dipping

[royal zenith]

I dunno why you're taking this the personal route

it's a discussion

[wild dune]

maybe crafted is bad for you but its a good thing for like, 90% of the game

its staying

[royal zenith]

^

[drifting nova]

dont craft next tier

youl find out why its bad

[wild dune]

being stuck with a hero weapon until vault gives me a myth weapon or turbo boost happens?

no thanks

[royal zenith]

don't see how that proves a point @ kekkers

oh no this crafted item has value!!

wtf?

it's even timegated by sparks

I dunno, such a nothingburger

[wild dune]

better remove vault too then, if you get a myth weapon week 1, it devalues every weapon drop from then on!

[drifting nova]

real cute calling sparks a timegate

[wild dune]

infact lets timegate all gear, every 2 weeks your gear breaks forever and you need to equip something new, that way all gear stays relevent forever

[drifting nova]

normally I sigh when devs say "just because the players want it do they need it"

but crafting is a perfect example of it

[lofty depot]

Tbf they haven't reiterated on vault in a while

[drifting nova]

and made it worse from a stats pov

with an actual vault

[proven swallow]

is it known if the voidcore item exclusion only applies to items gotten via voidcores? or does it apply to gear that one has from before the patch?

[spice roost]

i think the changes are a a huge positive for 99% of the playerbase which is a big w imo

[drifting nova]

crafting, vault

both orbit about loot pools sucking

both in spread

and depth

[royal zenith]

loot pools always have and always will suck

there's a reason BIS lists existed and why you sim gear

the only solution is making all gear the same stat value

same as class balance, if you want to solve that

[lofty depot]

Items don't get taken out of ur loot pool until u receive them from bonus rolls

[obsidian tapir]

do we get on reset the weapon + trinkets upgrades ?

[lofty depot]

Don't know

[drifting nova]

solution, dont make m+ easy w1 like it was this season

[wild dune]

why

why does it matter that m+ is easy

[royal zenith]

yeah for sure that will stop you from doing a weekly max M+ dungeon

[spice roost]

i mean u sure you want that your abandoning 7s bro

[drifting nova]

when its pegged to raid

m+ can be easy..but its measured against raid

[wild dune]

why is it

two different forms of content

delves give free hero gear now and theyre genuinely afkable as a healer with valeera just soloing the delve, gg?

[gentle patio]

m+ difficulty and rewards is a never-ending cycle of buffs and nerfs tbh

[royal zenith]

yeah but delves is something kekkers has access to

10's in week 1 is not

[wild dune]

im so fucking glad heroic raid is devalued man

[gentle patio]

the cycle:

• M+ loot exists
• "Higher keys should reward better loot"
• Blizzard answers
• Casual player: "I can't clear the highest keys it's unfair they reward better gear"
• Blizzard nerfs m+ and now everyone can clear the highest keys
• "M+ is too easy and there are too many key levels"
• Key levels are squashed; +20 becomes +10 which rewards the best loot again.

[wild dune]

haven't even done paladins

[lofty depot]

I haven't killed heroic midnight falls

[drifting nova]

idk man I'd be less happy about the feeder system vanishing

but you do you ig

[wild dune]

yeah but

and not to be rude

but ur cooked af

[spice roost]

lol

[lofty depot]

Think heroic different openings did that rather than m+ but idk

[wild dune]

people love the gearing system rn

[drifting nova]

our people arent the same

[wild dune]

the people that raid 12+ hours a week ontop of doing 60 keys week 1 might not

[spice roost]

ya likei said its good for 99% of players

[drifting nova]

do you know any of those 99%

like actually

[spice roost]

yes

[wild dune]

hi

its me

[lofty depot]

Aren't u part of it

[wild dune]

i dont have time nor the desire to raid

[drifting nova]

I dont claim him

[wild dune]

all my chars are within 1-2 ilvls of a raid degenerate

based system tbh

[lofty depot]

"raid degenerate"

[spice roost]

i raid because i enjoy it not just for the gear tbh

why would i do something i dont enjoy

[wild dune]

well blizzard has a tendency to put absurdly powerful trinkets in raid

like vaelgors

[spice roost]

ya but that wouldnt make me raid just for a trinket

[sudden flame]

M+ for sure is way too good for gear

[royal zenith]

you, me, a lot of people

are in raid a LOT

really can't deny that

[sudden flame]

heroic raid is there for week one mythic raiders to get tier set

[lofty depot]

I've spent more time in m+ than raid

[spice roost]

sameee

[lofty depot]

So that's factually in true

[royal zenith]

that's besides the point though

[wild dune]

for the purpose of raiding

or for the purpose of pushing keys

[spice roost]

both

[lofty depot]

Both tbf

[drifting nova]

is ok with flex mythic every diff but mythic will be deleted, god willing

[lofty depot]

Im doing 16/17s locken

Poooosh

[jade flume]

is na shit up yet

[royal zenith]

yeah carried by raidgear

[lofty depot]

In like 6 hours

[royal zenith]

else you would be pushing 12's

[lofty depot]

I did 12s week 1

But go off

[drifting nova]

not even mount tier smh

[royal zenith]

yeah that's correct

[drifting nova]

thought you played the game?

[royal zenith]

(he forgor about heroic week gg's)

[jade flume]

i need to find out if you can upgrade your weapon day 1

or is that 4 week timegated shit

[lofty depot]

I didn't have 4p

Keep going

[drifting nova]

so you were paying for carry?

[lofty depot]

Didnt have vaeglors

Ur assumptions are wrong, keep going

[lucid olive]

thats not true

[lofty depot]

U know what I did, I did 70 keys

[lucid olive]

all dungeons at +16 is mount

[wild dune]

for now

[royal zenith]

the fuck does this have to do with 12's

[lucid olive]

the mount is 3400 static no?

[royal zenith]

😭

[wild dune]

oh its static

nvm

[lofty depot]

U said carried by raid gear

R u dumb

[royal zenith]

I will not speak

[lofty depot]

My split got nothing

[spice roost]

it is

[drifting nova]

its 1% wdym

[lucid olive]

that's title

[lofty depot]

0 leather tokens, no trinkets

[lucid olive]

title =/= mount

[vivid canyon]

3.4k is saddle

1% is bonus mount

0.1% is title

mount will be closer to all 18s by the end of season

[drifting nova]

hahaha

the "new" mounts are recolours

[ivory barn]

What should i uppgrade tomrow? Mythic wep. HC valgor trinket or HC cosmos trinket? I asume weapon gives more value?

[spice roost]

ya its a piss reward tbh

[lucid olive]

probably weapon yeah

[ivory barn]

Thought so

[lofty depot]

Sim it

Like always

[ivory barn]

Oh i can ?

[ruby badger]

bro the new titles are legit just a rearrangement of the alphabet

[drifting nova]

the pvp mounts have almost always been cool, shame

[lucid olive]

aren't all rewards piss

it's the journey to get there that's the fun part

[drifting nova]

2 recolours

and 14 older season mounts

which you probably already ahve

[lucid olive]

the last good mount they locked behind an achievement was Fyrakk mount

[spice roost]

true but i do like some mounts

[spice roost]

gally wix mount is pretty cool looking imo too

[drifting nova]

3400 is also awkward

like

just get 3500

noobs

[spice roost]

ya for me its not useful reward but for someone that didnt get those it is

[lucid olive]

a lot of people liked that one yeah

[drifting nova]

I'd bet most 3400+ players already have most if not all, such a weird thing to bring back

[lucid olive]

playing the game should be the fun part, not getting a mount after

[drifting nova]

hell could make the mounts removed mounts entirely atleast people wouldnt have them

[drifting nova]

its 2026 we only play for rewards (inpart thanks to blizz tbh)

[wild dune]

tons of people started playing df/tww/midnight

[spice roost]

its a bonus imo

[lucid olive]

yeah for sure

[royal zenith]

not for completionists

[drifting nova]

still salty I dont have the tw mount tbh

[lucid olive]

completionists play the game for collecting

imo it's the same thing

[drifting nova]

speaking of should really get back to farming insane

pirates aint going to kill themself

[lucid olive]

it's the process of collecting the appearance/mount/toy that brings you joy in the game and not the actual item after you get it

i could be making that up though i'm not a collector

[drifting nova]

I did not enjoy the process of getting the scuttler mount from nazjatar

[lucid olive]

but i can imagine the dopamine is seeing the list of items you're missing get less and less

[drifting nova]

fuck that meta

[royal zenith]

there's a whole sub-group of people who enjoy figuring out how these type of things work

unforch for you..

[drifting nova]

only found out towards the end

it was doable in a month

not three

as levelling up each companion could be done on different alts

not on one

[stark meteor]

has anyone gone through the 12.0.5 balance changes yet?

oh. wow. just meteorites okay

shit

[lucid olive]

read pins

[stark meteor]

did the super dominant specs get touched at least

[royal zenith]

Yeah they did

Devourer got buffed and is even better

[stark meteor]

fuck my stupid boomkin life

[lofty depot]

Mm got nerfed

[jade flume]

they nurfed disc priest

its actually joever

[spice roost]

ya disc got hit hard