balance

[pallid bay]

i think the shmeld

lowkirk

pointless

rake does

absolute fuckall

[vale pebble]

0.1% dmg

[pallid bay]

+1 brain gcd

[vale pebble]

overall

peak

[lofty depot]

100% on piss low damage, smol dopamine

[fossil hemlock]

Why would you rake

[vale pebble]

its more than

[fossil hemlock]

It does nothing

[vale pebble]

a swipe

gcd?

[pallid bay]

he dosnt start in cat

[fossil hemlock]

Just start in cat smh

[vale pebble]

i can start in cat

[lofty depot]

Fluid form change instead of starting cat kek

[vale pebble]

but lose gcd still no?

i can

lunar beam

cat

and ff

actually

[fossil hemlock]

You're fishing for ravage anyway, no point in starting at high rage

[vale pebble]

yea ur right

[pallid bay]

u can beam from cat

[fossil hemlock]

Cat lunar beam ff

[vale pebble]

i can pre pool a ravage

from p1

but it runs out

ive had a ravage run out on me

[pallid bay]

gg

[vale pebble]

and i mauled with wg

and called a wipe

[lofty depot]

W

[pallid bay]

does wg put u in bear

surely not right

ive never tested

[vale pebble]

u just prepop

doesnt matter

lasts infinite time

its just like

first wg is weird

i want to just maul

2nd

cause if u overcap

u dont press incarn for so long

[pallid bay]

i had a pull

lemme find

[vale pebble]

and thats just shit or

[fossil hemlock]

If you need the CDR from spending rage, then can send an ironfur

[vale pebble]

no i mean in

egg

u wg

ravage once

and u cant overcap for another ravage

for too long

cause ur not getting to incarn

[fossil hemlock]

You can just incarn if it's off cooldown

It doesn't remove wild guardians

And makes it easier to fish for ravage

[vale pebble]

o

[pallid bay]

[fossil hemlock]

Like the ideal (and basically impossible) rotation for egg is pressing WiGu and then incarn the next global

But if you miss and incarn becomes ready first you lose the WiGu

[maiden pasture]

what the helly is this

[fossil hemlock]

So that's why you send it early, to not risk it

[pallid bay]

its my opener

[maiden pasture]

🔥

[lofty depot]

Sune pressing wg not on egg

[pallid bay]

no ravage wcyd

[lofty depot]

Is bear more fun than feral or

[pallid bay]

yeah feral stinks

[pallid bay]

peak

[maiden pasture]

we push so early that i get incarn late into egg (i think im also not spending enough)

[lofty depot]

Is bear progging more fun now than feral was in amirdrassil

[maiden pasture]

feral was fun in ammyd

[fossil hemlock]

Average CDR is 30 seconds reduction per minute of active fighting

[pallid bay]

unc

[lofty depot]

Lol

Cuz I've had fun bearing in m+ and I didn't have fun playing feral in ammyd

[maiden pasture]

had fun bearing in m+

we're lying now

[pallid bay]

bear is fun cause u do dmg

[lofty depot]

Real

[vale pebble]

bear is fun

[maiden pasture]

bear is not fun cause u dont have aggro outside of CDs

[vale pebble]

cause i just run around

[lofty depot]

U steal all the damage on fun pulls

And then ur dps like wtf is that damage

[pallid bay]

enter a key with a devourer

they drop a star on pack before u pull

"its worth it"

[fossil hemlock]

https://tenor.com/bTsJq.gif

[lofty depot]

Devs are banned

[maiden pasture]

void ray eradicate vs one thrash

gg

[vale pebble]

vs one swipe

[fossil hemlock]

Void ray channel is like 4 years, build rage and press raze

[vale pebble]

bro they

prepull pack

with star eradicate

then die

and say worth

[pallid bay]

[lofty depot]

That void ray is big Lazer... Raze is wimpy little pat on the head

[maiden pasture]

they get aggro on the first tick of it blud

[fossil hemlock]

?? Void ray tickles

[lofty depot]

What

[fossil hemlock]

It's like 3k per tick or something

[maiden pasture]

we're just lying

[lofty depot]

Blud either oblivious or trolling

[vale pebble]

ragebati

[lofty depot]

Won't believe otherwise

[eager raft]

“Blud”

[lofty depot]

STFU rat

[eager raft]

[pallid bay]

whats even wrong with FF

[maiden pasture]

wdym

[pallid bay]

is it just affected by bear shit in bear or

[maiden pasture]

as in why does it deal damage or

[pallid bay]

why does the intial do fuckall

[maiden pasture]

it cranks for resto too, think its just big dam button

[fossil hemlock]

That's just FF

[pallid bay]

idk reading tooltip = gg

[fossil hemlock]

Tooltip has lied for years

It also apparently does x10 compared to normal FF, while hotw starfall and wildgrowth are only x5

For whatever reason

[lofty depot]

Bear incarn increase it's dam or

[pallid bay]

no making shit up

[lofty depot]

If incarn increases melee attacks and FF is melee

[fossil hemlock]

@loud kettle knows. Something to do with 5 initial hits being what the big bleed is based on

Ignite-mechanics

idk

I just accept big tick

[lofty depot]

Prey for big tick

[fossil hemlock]

Incarn barely does anything these days

Cleaving mangle, 30% max health, and then claw rampage for dotc or astral insight for EC (you never pick astral insight)

[eager raft]

[lofty depot]

Why r1 look shit

When chickem look good

[fossil hemlock]

R1 belo myth?

[lofty depot]

Ye

His trinkets are ass too

[fossil hemlock]

Unlucky I guess

AFAIK the big ticks are based on the small hits like an ignite effect

And the small hits can crit

[lofty depot]

Holy he got a million ravages lol

[shadow willow]

does the bonus loot roll thing include tier drops?

[lucid olive]

I assume so

I don't think it matters that much though, won't you be at 4 catalyst charges next week anyway?

using bonus roll in like Windrunner Spire will be worth it since it drops 3 tier slot items

[royal zenith]

you're already at 4 I believe

[chilly coral]

Im looking for a plater profile, that makes my moonfire and sunfire buffs bigger, så i can easy tracks who is arealy buffded, and what is not. Can any1 hlep mke out

[lucid olive]

with or without the free one from KSM

[eager raft]

With

[lucid olive]

yeah thats what i thought too

my DH needed chest tier from a split to hit 4set

and it doesn't have KSM

[royal zenith]

it's combined with ye

https://www.wowhead.com/news/guaranteed-4-piece-with-catalyst-charge-this-week-and-new-craft-available-381212

[lucid olive]

mhm so next week should be guaranteed no matter what right

or the week after maybe

[eager raft]

I think the week after

[lofty depot]

Aren't cata charges every other week

[lucid olive]

yes

[royal zenith]

ye

[lofty depot]

So 2 weeks

[lucid olive]

so are crafts

[royal zenith]

so what respectable said

[lucid olive]

but are they the same week

[eager raft]

Yeah I’m always right

[royal zenith]

or well depends on what you mean by next week

not next reset at least

but next week for sure

: )

[lucid olive]

the week starts on wednesday

[eager raft]

Yeah like 9 days from now

[royal zenith]

not for the workies (me)

week never stops..

[lucid olive]

I know that in TWW they used to be separate weeks, like you get craft one week and then catalyst the next

but it seems to be the same week now?

[lofty depot]

U should be able to just increase the size of the icon on any profile no?

[eager raft]

I think we got 1 extra spark this tier

[chilly coral]

I cant make it work

[lofty depot]

But also, I just use jundies and can see it fine

[lucid olive]

we get that every tier

[eager raft]

Compared to any of the TWW ones

[chilly coral]

I think the profile i use is overwrting it somehow

[lofty depot]

Well u can edit in the profile, so me confusion

[eager raft]

Like we’ve been half a craft ahead of where we were in any TWW season

[lucid olive]

There has always been a free "outside of the cap" spark every season since Aberrus

[eager raft]

For this whole season

[lucid olive]

Not ahead of Nerubar

[eager raft]

Yeah I mean including that

[lucid olive]

you're ahead because heroic week + 2 week wait from expac launch

instead of the regular 1 week from patch launch + simulatenous release

you crafted staff after heroic week in nerubar too

the extra spark usually was given by the NPC standing near the catalyst

but they stopped doing that after people exploited it and they had to refund an extra spark

I think that was Undermine?

[eager raft]

Yeah they gave everyone an extra one

[lucid olive]

yeah so the exploiters were still +1 ahead

[eager raft]

Including the people who exploited 💀

[lucid olive]

exploit often or something

it's the same this tier with the people who got warbound catalyst achievement

[eager raft]

I was so mad I didn’t get 4p before that got fixed

[pallid bay]

grrr

[lucid olive]

angry canadian beaver

[royal zenith]

imagine getting mad over a videogame

[lucid olive]

real

i only get mad at the people playing the video game

[chilly coral]

Im not that good at addons, thats why im asking for a profile. I cant be the only one playing with plater

[eager raft]

deux?

[royal zenith]

yeah Im talking about you

[round field]

imagine not getting mad over a video game

[royal zenith]

goated

stoic > all

[eager raft]

You need a bit more pash

[royal zenith]

I have enough pash

[round field]

if you dont get mad over other people being bad

[eager raft]

you’re 50 man being non chalant is not for you

[round field]

thats a big l mentality

[eager raft]

Be chalant

[round field]

i miss old league of legends...

where i could rip slurs at people who were griefing

[lofty depot]

What about new deadlock

[round field]

deadlock good

can rip slurs at people who are griefing

[royal zenith]

being mad is weakness

zero control over your mental state

[round field]

i have full control

[royal zenith]

imagine your gameplay

[round field]

and i choose to be mad

[royal zenith]

literally have 2 receipts

of you not having full control

so yeah

debunked??

[round field]

ur wrong

making shit up

[royal zenith]

actually 3 receipts

2 of them on dh

[round field]

u have 0 pash

and it shows

you strive to be mediocre

while others strive for greatness

[royal zenith]

correct

greatness just means more attention

who needs all that

[round field]

You just cant handle it

[royal zenith]

not want > not cant

[lofty depot]

How do u know if u can't, if u haven't

[royal zenith]

what would you know

[lofty depot]

Well I have so I can

[royal zenith]

moonshine seller is not center of attention

maybe in a swamp

but not in the world

[lofty depot]

Or on side of mountain

Or just in back yard of home

[royal zenith]

have you ever left your own country

[lofty depot]

Yes

[royal zenith]

where'd you go?

[lofty depot]

Mexico

[royal zenith]

to buy tequila

knew it

[lofty depot]

I think me and gf going to Peru next year

Actually I don't drink tequila

[lucid olive]

your pale ass is gonna come back looking like zorthas v tuber model

[lofty depot]

I don't burn actually

[gentle patio]

@lucid olive by the way thanks for the EQOL suggestion. It can do exactly what I wanted with a bit of fiddling.

[manic plume]

invest in altitude pills. cause holy moly

[lofty depot]

That implies im walking up that mountain

[royal zenith]

Pretty sure there’s altitude problems everywhere..

Perma living in the mountains

[fossil hemlock]

You're thinking of attitude problems

[royal zenith]

Well if thats the case

Arctic would feel at home

[lofty depot]

I don't see a problem

It's joeover

[lucid olive]

hahahahha

who would have thought they did 4 polls and "yes" would get majority in all of them

[royal zenith]

Muhahha

[lucid olive]

just stop policing the fucking leaderboard man

[lofty depot]

Only 58% in favor of removing dragons

[royal zenith]

Leaderboards literally need policing wdym

Else its not really a leaderboard

Its ffa

[lucid olive]

yes

good

[royal zenith]

then what’s the value of said leaderboard

[lucid olive]

there isn't

but they keep pretending there is

[royal zenith]

If there’s no rules

Well there is

[lofty depot]

Well it's 1 thing to police power infusion or bug abuse. It's entirely different to police padding

[royal zenith]

There is rankings

[lucid olive]

alright, my specs best boss now don't count towards the rankings

[royal zenith]

The discussion about significance is a different one

[lucid olive]

definitely

my problem is when they start removing adds from bosses that need to die in order to do the fight (ulgrax, rashanan, one-armed bandit, forgeweaver etc)

if they are like infinitely spawnable adds like Dathea or Kurog then that's fine

[royal zenith]

Brother they have always done this…

[lucid olive]

and I think it's always been cringe

[lofty depot]

He's not complaining about now, but rather them always doing it

[lucid olive]

It's also not directly a wclogs created issue, but a community created issue

[eager raft]

wcl pushing their agenda as always

[lucid olive]

"Oh this china guy did 20k more DPS than me on these adds because his whole guild is AFK hitting boss and he gets to free pad"

so what

[eager raft]

Yeah just simply email Warcraft logs and ask them to remove it

[lucid olive]

If the alternative is to remove the adds from the logs you suddenly have 0 people in your raid hitting the adds

and adds need to die or you die

[eager raft]

That’s why I’m glad they removed dragons altogether rather than just removing the adds like they originally proposed

Woulda made that fight a nightmare

[lucid olive]

they shouldn't do any of them

but oh well

[eager raft]

All in all I think these changes are pretty tame

Compared to some of the shit they’ve excluded in the past

[lucid olive]

I am looking forward to 12.0.7 when someone comes in here saying that Balance is dogshit because WCLogs removed all the fights they're good on from the statistics

[eager raft]

Idk why they aren’t giving imperator the same treatment as fallen king tho

[fossil hemlock]

There are problems doing nothing, and problems doing something. That's why they ask their community what they want

[lucid olive]

yeah I get why they do it

[eager raft]

Most of the “community” doesn’t even understand what they’re voting for

[lucid olive]

I think the further down the rabbit hole you go you realize the problems stem from the Leaderboard existing at all, but that's how modern gaming is and you can't really do much about it

The type of gamer that gets into mythic raiding and m+ nowadays is the same type of gamer that climbs ranked in League, Overwatch, Valorant etc

[royal zenith]

World ranks is exactly the same

[lucid olive]

and by the time they realize the Leaderboards don't include the best players they are already too far gone into WoW

[fossil hemlock]

People in general are just too dumb and/or not invested enough to do proper data analysis

Especially for a hobby

[royal zenith]

With people complaining about you not being a “real” 3 day guild

Its the same shit

Who cares

Ranking is fun

[lucid olive]

my guild was flamed on twitter last night

that was funny

[royal zenith]

The rules is whatever

[eager raft]

Free yourself from the bounds of caring about all star points

Sort by boss damage

[lucid olive]

real

[lofty depot]

Most of the community are aotc andies that cant pad anyway

So they think, well I cant pad so that's why I don't do damage

Remove the pad and I'll do better

When I see 10 second gaps in their casts

[eager raft]

Pretty much yeah. They think these changes will upgrade their greys and greens to blues and purples

[dense steeple]

Okay but I agree

Remove the pad and i will literally do 30% better

I hate padding

Dogshit playstyle

[royal zenith]

If this is the case

[lucid olive]

define padding

[royal zenith]

Removing it doesnt matter at all

What are you afraid of

[dense steeple]

People going manual mushrooms for dragons

[lofty depot]

Still waiting on reloe to lock nsrt during non-officIal raid times.

[lucid olive]

how is that padding

[eager raft]

the voidorbs need to die

[lofty depot]

I'm not afraid of anything

[eager raft]

And they are contributing to killing them

[dense steeple]

Standing in the center of crown, spamming starfall on the little adds nonstop

[lofty depot]

It's fun having different types of fights

[royal zenith]

Oh dat right

For sure

[lofty depot]

When everything becomes st, it's boring

[eager raft]

Is the damage to the droplets not completely inconsequential?

[royal zenith]

Thats why you tag clecia cause he’s not rank 1 anymore

[lucid olive]

Not padding

[dense steeple]

Active targeting the little kite orbs on fallen king instead of letting them slowly die as youre already kiting the boss

[lucid olive]

Probably actually bad to do

[lofty depot]

No I tagged him because he r1'd

[royal zenith]

Contradicting much

[lofty depot]

Noooo

[lucid olive]

Considering you stack up like a 12 x 30% dmg amp on the mobs

[royal zenith]

You have way more competition if you take out these factors

[lofty depot]

Get ur story straight, I tagged him when he r1'd over me

[royal zenith]

Objectively

[lucid olive]

at one point Starfall is a loss compared to just Surging the add

[dense steeple]

The problem is half these guys have like 50% more damage to the little globs than non padders

[eager raft]

Yeah anyone starfalling p1 cosmos is probably fundamentally not understanding where p1 damage comes from

[dense steeple]

Because theyre maximizing output little shit adds that dont matter

[lucid olive]

they matter tho?

If the droplets are low when they get to the big adds the dmg amp stacks quicker

[dense steeple]

If an add in a fight has less than 5 mil hp and youre actively targeting it youre trolling and padding

[lucid olive]

Also you ripping threat on them with Starfall is not inherently bad since the alternative is them hitting healers for healer aggro

[dense steeple]

Theres 14 other people also hitting that add it dies in 2 seconds

Its not effective damage

[eager raft]

how are they getting to the big add when the moonkin is starfalling and aggroing them

[dense steeple]

Its padding

[lofty depot]

The moonkin can run to the big add silly

[lucid olive]

By the Moonkin not being dogshit

[eager raft]

nah that’s not an option

[lucid olive]

Also your guild just opens their eyes

[lofty depot]

Typhoon them closer

[lucid olive]

Most of the time when the droplets are away they are hitting healers anyway

[eager raft]

surely just starfiring to kill the droplets and surging boss is just much more meaningful damage

or just letting melee meat grinder kill them

While surging the big guys

[lofty depot]

Well see I play weaver

And starfalling gives more surges

It's simple math

[lucid olive]

why would you Starfire them

[eager raft]

Same reason you’d Starfall them

Both probably bad

[lucid olive]

no

Starfall hits mobs around the room, Starfire hits mobs next to boss

just Wrath the boss

[eager raft]

Wrath the and surge the big guys

[lucid olive]

more AP gain as well

Ideally you just swap between Starfall vs Starsurge at a certain number of amp stacks

[eager raft]

Spending astral power on Starfall on that boss is almost definitely inefficient

weaver procs obv a different story

[lucid olive]

it's not

[eager raft]

I’m gonna start using rain of fire

[lucid olive]

not the same thing is it

in P1 you're almost perma standing where you can hit two bosses at once

only exception being if you get 2nd expulsion or obelisk and have to stay behind before gate, or after 2nd boss dies

[lofty depot]

This, at 1m I slammed 6 starfalls and go back to surging in the middle of my incarn

I do the funny eclipse 3 starfalls incarn 3 starfalls. And then surge rest

[lucid olive]

the droplets being low HP when they reach the adds is also good

[lofty depot]

Also if u think about it, classes doing more pushes means theyre doing less damage while ur Starfall ticking

Mmmhm mmhm

I'm surprised they removed droplets completely tbf

And not just the ones that haven't died

[royal zenith]

All this talk about how people don’t understand what padding is, for you guys to be mad about them removing it from all-stars

Sussy??

[lofty depot]

Why are those linked

[royal zenith]

Exactly

[lucid olive]

Classes and specs have different strengths and damage profiles they're good at, but some specs get their damage profile removed so they end up looking worse in statistics

I think One-Armed Bandit was a good example as well

Moonkin fell from mid table to the lowest performing spec on that fight after they removed the bomber adds that lined up with your Convoke

[royal zenith]

Yeah its definitely a strength to be able to kill droplets

Noone can do that

[lucid olive]

Spread cleave is

[lofty depot]

My devdhs all complain about other padding devs

[royal zenith]

I think you’re more scared of the actual truth

[lucid olive]

this shit just leads to all the specs being homogenized

[lofty depot]

Cuz people lining up stars with droplets

[royal zenith]

That moonkin is just shit at boss damage

And really good at stuff any class can do

[lofty depot]

Well no one is scared of that, cuz that's true. But that implies we're balanced around having adds not matter and boss damage being the only factor

[lucid olive]

I think it's fine on boss dmg

but you don't play ST builds on any bosses so

[royal zenith]

There’s no way??

[eager raft]

If you’re pressing aoe buttons specifically to kill adds that passive cleave classes would kill on time while doing st rotation

That is by definition padding

[royal zenith]

Is that why they nerfed starfall before the tier?

Or cause of the elite boss damage?

[lofty depot]

I'm passively cleaving with my free starfalls

[eager raft]

You must have had a lot of free Starfalls!

[lofty depot]

Well the theory of moonkin being good cuz Starfall would've carried on maybe dragons sure

But that didn't matter and the last bosses dont for that either

[royal zenith]

You’re fighting the wrong fight if you want your starfall to matter, on voidorbs

Like genuinely

[lucid olive]

yeah you proc Cosmos

[lofty depot]

Surely I want 1 of my 2 spends to be worthless

Mmhm mmhm

Write that fucking down

[royal zenith]

You want it be a useful spell to be slotted into lura

Good thing you guys are the class representatives then

[lofty depot]

Well I'm in Lura regardless

But u can pad on those adds regardless

Just play wild mushroom, ezpz

[royal zenith]

Thats the whole

Point

Holy

[lucid olive]

I'm not even top 2 on Droplet damage through all 77 pulls tbh

[lofty depot]

Those adds aren't like droplets or voidorbs

What

[royal zenith]

Hence why I said you’re not unique for spread cleave

[lofty depot]

Neither was i

[eager raft]

nah it’s hard to beat spriests and devourers

[lucid olive]

Lura is spread cleave?

[lofty depot]

No

It's not

[lucid olive]

aren't Lura adds all gripped or knocked onto add

it's just regular ass cleave

[lofty depot]

That's why I said mushroom and not starfall

[lucid olive]

ye

Mushroom decent for that

[royal zenith]

.

[lucid olive]

but mostly for the AP gen and not the dmg

[lofty depot]

Cuz u can pad on those regardless of that

I mean, mushroom blasts

Buff it again

Fun button

[lucid olive]

well I'm the only one in top 5 hitting them before they reach the bosses

[royal zenith]

Thats again

The whole point

I give up

[eager raft]

LOL

[fossil hemlock]

Getting the adds low before the reach the boss would matter if they didn't get obliterated by the meat grinder in a second

Congrats on shaving off 0.1 second on killing them

[lucid olive]

how do you think the adds make it there

swear we had like 6 of em meleeing our healers in the range camp LOL

[lofty depot]

Imagine having melee in raid

What meat grinder

[lucid olive]

real

we played 2 melee on that fight

[lofty depot]

Same

Rogue 1 dk

[lucid olive]

1 ret pala 1 unholy

but it doesn't really matter, not gonna defend pressing Starfall in a phase where you're hitting 2 priority targets for most of it anyway outside of the amp where you just launch Starsurge into it before it dies

[lofty depot]

I do be holding for the last 3s kek

[lucid olive]

roughly 6.4% of all my P1 damage after 77 pulls were to droplets

[royal zenith]

so it doesn't matter if it gets removed from logs, correct?

[lucid olive]

well I voted yes on all 3 surveys

[eager raft]

I just don’t see how you’re getting stacks on multiple mini bosses at the same time

[royal zenith]

I'd rather want to fight for starfall being good on 2T spread cleave, like chaos bolts

[eager raft]

To make Starfall do meaningful damage to both

[lucid olive]

Starfall is good for 2t spread cleave

[royal zenith]

you left out the nuance

[eager raft]

Only one of them has the damage amp

[royal zenith]

for the argument

gg's

[lucid olive]

yeah you swap to Starsurge after like 6 ish stacks

[eager raft]

Surely you’re better off just pooling for that

[lucid olive]

what are you pooling

[eager raft]

Astral power

[lofty depot]

Have a million procs pooling sometimes beans

[royal zenith]

rank 1 boomkin btw

[lofty depot]

All those need to die

[royal zenith]

2T cleave good on starfall though

[lucid olive]

you FoE into Treants right before your CDs every time so pooling can quickly overcap you

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

[lofty depot]

Now count all the free surges I got

[royal zenith]

brother..

you're hardly competing

[lofty depot]

Kk now so shooting stars and solstice

[royal zenith]

💀

keep adding things to the list

[lofty depot]

Get ragebaited silly

[royal zenith]

to compete with 1 spell

ragebaited LOL

[lofty depot]

Well all those spells count silly

They all proc from the one

[royal zenith]

I see

oh well

[lofty depot]

Or did we forget how to boomkin while playing evoker

[royal zenith]

it's been fun, I am home

keep up the good fight guys

[lofty depot]

[royal zenith]

Im dogshit at this game

especially balance druid

too old, retirement soon

[eager raft]

[naive siren]

i see a lot of logs with incarn, starweaver and FoE for lura heroic.
is this just the best singletarget, or are there additional targets i dont know?

i myself am a convoke enjoyer and will try that

[lofty depot]

Lack of effort vs lack of skill

[royal zenith]

but I would still fight for my balance druid homies to be slotted into lura

[eager raft]

when deux leaves I leave

[lofty depot]

U choose to be dogshit

[lucid olive]

1m Convoke probably not bad for L'ura

[royal zenith]

factual

[lucid olive]

Starweaver better for movement tho generally

[eager raft]

We will ride off into the sunset together

[royal zenith]

I got like 3 tethers on the kill...

wanted to jump off

on god

[lofty depot]

Is that why u play hunter now, cuz he doesn't play boomkin

[lucid olive]

I got the last tether

[royal zenith]

we ignored last one

[lucid olive]

respectable plays warlock now i think

[royal zenith]

I got the hard one

fml

[lucid olive]

yeah i mean the one right after the last cross

didn't count the one in the middle as we kill last add

[lofty depot]

I sat in bear waiting for a heal for 6 seconds

[lucid olive]

but i was only person with tether on that set since we high rolled the taunt swap

[eager raft]

I don’t play Hunter rn but I just play stuff that’s gonna be helpful to the comp

Which lately is unfortunately not moonkin

[royal zenith]

waterboy

[lucid olive]

the Adam Sandler movie?

[eager raft]

Kinda the opposite

[lofty depot]

Poptart corndog played all the druid specs but 1, can u guess which

[eager raft]

I do it to make sure I’m not the waterboy

[eager raft]

I think I saw that they played a feral so I’m guessing bala dudu

[lofty depot]

Lol

[royal zenith]

to be fair, ferals have it just as bad

guilty went bear on egg

[eager raft]

Yeah that spec is also pretty dog shit

[royal zenith]

and balance is good on egg

but yeah, you dont have immunities

[lucid olive]

remove wildstalker and keeper of the grove

[royal zenith]

just soak balls with hotw I guess

[lucid olive]

make resto x guardian hero tree and then Druid of the Flame tree for balance x feral

[lofty depot]

I dont think balance is worse than most classes on egg tbf

[royal zenith]

no it's better

it's good actually

like top 5 at least

aug/ww/shammy top 3

[lucid olive]

yeah

[eager raft]

balance prob just outside top 5

Cuz I assume mm and demo both better

[royal zenith]

wrong

[lucid olive]

not during egg

demo good during egg with bug abuse but not without it

[royal zenith]

but hunter brings immunity and warlock gate

so yeah

[lucid olive]

MM during egg is kinda whatever, but they're stacked for immunities

If 2x warlock gets played its for making the gateway shit a lot easier

Since which gate you place depends on where the 1st balls spawn

[dense steeple]

Im probably going to be asked to go devourer for end of tier

[royal zenith]

maybe I should describe it as

moonkin just needs a bit more oomph

it's soooo close

[lucid olive]

for egg or in general

[royal zenith]

in general

[lucid olive]

in gameplay or

[royal zenith]

no gameplay is fun

[dense steeple]

Damage

Gameplay fine

[royal zenith]

but

I dunno, you know how I think about spenders

versus generators

[lucid olive]

not really but you can remind us if you want

[royal zenith]

I'd rather have 3 wrath casts less and 1 starsurge doing more dam

as a trade-off type of thing

[dense steeple]

Last night I did a 13 on my druid. Did lots of dam

[royal zenith]

it's a lot of casts atm that we need, to generate proper dam

and this is also presented in apm

[dense steeple]

I then logged to my dev and ripped 5 huge dam cstars in one meta

[lofty depot]

At least u'll have fun

[dense steeple]

And it fel bad because I dont have a single spell on druid that can do that amount of dam

[lucid olive]

yeah

I think the gameplay is very good currently

[dense steeple]

Meanwhile being able to cast 5 of them in one cd window, and having that cd window every 30 seconds

Where in druid i just do a lot of little dam stacked up forever with no big dam buttons

[lucid olive]

BUT I think where the damage comes from after you press Starfall/Starsurge is problematic

[royal zenith]

yeah that's p2

shooting stars and all that shit

not a big fan

[lucid olive]

yee

I really like what they are trying to do with it, but the execution is not it

[lofty depot]

What if they just didn't reset solstice

[lucid olive]

Shooting Stars is AoE DR'd and hits random targets

[lofty depot]

Would u care as much

[lucid olive]

The loop is "press Starfall to gain free Starsurge cast", and their intention (stated in the 11.0.5 development notes when they added Hail of Stars, and further backed up by Meteorites existing) is for that playstyle to be good on low target counts, but higher than 1

and they have succeeded in making the Starweaver loop be that

[royal zenith]

it also just completely contradicts the goal of changing our mastery

[lucid olive]

the problem is Shooting Stars and Meteorites both hitting random targets

[royal zenith]

getting dots on mobs is probably even more important rn

[lucid olive]

yeah they changed the mastery, then took all your DoT dmg and sent it into Shooting Stars

[lofty depot]

Would u prefer it hit your target only

[lucid olive]

idk after like 8-10 mobs the Moonfire starts losing value quickly

[royal zenith]

dev had us fooled

gaslit

[lucid olive]

Yes but the effect would need to be reworked

[lofty depot]

Well at least some dots but not exactly

Mr "my void orb damage"

[royal zenith]

the specifics in this case don't matter too much

cause our mastery was also only a % of damage tied to dots

[lofty depot]

Yes but Starfall used to do less damage in that case

[lucid olive]

I think it's best to just tune down some of the Shooting Stars dmg nodes they added, then add back some AP gen from it and completely rework both Hail of Stars and Orbit Breaker

[lofty depot]

Nah, leave my big moon alone

Add the ability to track it

[meager storm]

they will prob make logs show dmg done to the big adds on Alleria without the dmg amp lowkey

[lucid olive]

Passively proccing Full Moon is good

Orbit Breaker is not

[royal zenith]

I just wonder if they chose this route right now, for this tier

or if it's an expansion type of thing

I hope it's the first

[lofty depot]

Bro imagine we had manaforge tierset with that add amp

The amp damage would get nuked instantly on logs

[lucid olive]

imagine if arcane wasn't dogshit

[lofty depot]

Imagining

[lucid olive]

arcane can solo one of those adds

[lofty depot]

Woop dont care

[lucid olive]

touch the magi double dips amp

[lofty depot]

Yea that's called cheating tho

[stone ledge]

Imagine lou tier set on dragon sets without grips

[lofty depot]

Yea imagine dragons with out 3 tanking with 2 blood dks

[lucid olive]

imagine the dragon boss if they never reverted orbital strike in amirdrassil

[royal zenith]

I would pay for dev to make orbital strike useable

bribe him

(about 10 euros)

[lucid olive]

had to edit that comment so the two first words weren't "imagine dragons"..

[lofty depot]

Imagine dragging deez nuts across ur face

[dense steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/radioactive-imagine-dragons-singing-points-up-gif-5355635

[maiden pasture]

ye they need to normalize it

they did it before with other amps like this

[lofty depot]

What the hell, do not normalize it

I'm trying to do some cringe shit

[white sandal]

Oh, yall have blood DKs? 😅 my guild is currently working on dragons with no dk and I'm 40-30k above all other dps

[maiden pasture]

Precisely

Your pot incarn triple shroom will not be tolerated

[lofty depot]

The dream

[lofty depot]

What the helly

Well I pot at 3m

Don't run shrooms actually

[maiden pasture]

You would to pad right

Cause they ignite

[lofty depot]

Uhhh, me like meteorites

[maiden pasture]

Triple shroom on amped target would go hard

[lofty depot]

Probably eould

Then u have 2 up for first set of adds in p2

Hmmm

[maiden pasture]

🧑‍🍳

[pallid bay]

normalize it so everyone starts padding on the droplets

or did they remove droplets

[lofty depot]

They removed droplets

[maiden pasture]

They removed ye

With .5

The changes are like

[lofty depot]

Stop having fun

[maiden pasture]

Nexus king adds that don't die don't count
Dragons off all-stars
Droplets gone from aleria
Aleria intermissions counted as actual downtime

I'm not sure why the downtime thing ever mattered, just got analyzing uptime or?

[lofty depot]

288 crown kills, surely another like 50 kill it tonight and tomorrow

There's a bunch of guilds that didn't overtime to kill it

Kinda surprised

[swift elbow]

anyone got the macro to set focus and mark your interupt?

[eager raft]

/focus [@mouseover,harm,nodead] [harm]
/target [@mouseover,exists,nodead]
/tm 4
/targetlasttarget

Is the one I use

[inland glacier]

is this talent any good?

[eager raft]

change the 4 to marker of your choice

[nova ocean]

Ya I was expecting lots of ot for the meme hof

[inland glacier]

25% every other eclipse cast sounds weak

but idk

[nova ocean]

Everything about moonkin is weak

[lofty depot]

U don't use it cuz it does damage

[inland glacier]

use it for the EC stuff?

[lofty depot]

Ye

Orbit breaker isnt bad with ec tho

Proc a lot

[inland glacier]

does it proc this?

at full effectiveness?

[craggy sonnet]

nope, not full effectiveness

[meager storm]

droplets is whatever, on farm u will literally see chinese guilds afking only killing droplets and turning every week letting only 3 people dps the adds with 20+ stacks

[craggy sonnet]

but it gives you atmospheric exposure

[inland glacier]

thats why its used?

[eager raft]

If wcl really wants to make a meaningful change they’d put that region on their own leaderboard

[inland glacier]

thats kinda lame

more beams i guess but if it doesnt do damage and procs infrequently, it seems weak

[craggy sonnet]

but the other talent isnt lame?

[nova ocean]

They should build a wall

[craggy sonnet]

it also gives you AP

[inland glacier]

didnt say that but yeah, would be cool if the beam from the talent procced every time you enter eclipse

[craggy sonnet]

fwiw

[inland glacier]

and then did more damage

[swift elbow]

Thanks ^^

[lofty depot]

Well it's shrouded in old mechanics

[craggy sonnet]

yeah

its a bit stupid with new eclipse

[inland glacier]

you used to enter eclipse a lot more right? because it was by doing 2 wrath/sf?

[craggy sonnet]

but still kinda works so dev said f it .. good enough

[inland glacier]

yeah it would be nice if it just happened when you pressed eclipse tbh

[lofty depot]

Well that's not the reason u entered more eclipses

[inland glacier]

why did you before?

i never actually played boomy so idk

[lofty depot]

Cuz it wasn't a cd

It doesn't really matter tbf cuz u have foe up for ur incarns regardless

[inland glacier]

well yeah it was 2 wraths/sf

[lofty depot]

Well that's not the reason u had it up more tho

[inland glacier]

that was the only way you entered it though right?

[lofty depot]

It doesn't take 2 globals to get into eclipse anymore ur reasoning isn't correct

[craggy sonnet]

blud .. he just meant to say that you previously entered it all the time by just casting two builders

instead of less frequently as you do now with it having a cd

[inland glacier]

^

[lofty depot]

Well he didn't say that

[craggy sonnet]

he kinda did

[lofty depot]

This is literally not that

[craggy sonnet]

you entered more eclipses because it was triggered by just doing 2 builders

instead of what it is now

[inland glacier]

i said 2 wraths/sfs instead of builders, but its the same thing lol

[craggy sonnet]

if you dont want to interpret it differently, i think you can make it make sense

[inland glacier]

but yeah they should change the talent a bit so its better imo

its cool getting more passive beams, would be cool if this one procced more is all

[lofty depot]

Think it's just a shit tale t

I thought it was shit before aswell

[craggy sonnet]

Yeah, both are a bit undervalue I think

But not like there is anything else to pick either

[ivory barn]

When next class changes?

[craggy sonnet]

Last titan

[lofty depot]

Literally tomorrow silly

[ivory barn]

Oh😊

[craggy sonnet]

Not announced changes

[lofty depot]

?

[rigid charm]

Hey had question for boomie raid rotation

[craggy sonnet]

The next changes that are not yet announced will be last titan

[rigid charm]

If we Are in eclipse we press always starfire?

[lofty depot]

Not usually no

[craggy sonnet]

Raid?

[rigid charm]

I saw that by krona

Yes raid

[lofty depot]

We're u watching him play paladins

[rigid charm]

Krona from Echo

[craggy sonnet]

You really only Starfire in raid if you play elunes chosen

[lofty depot]

I know who krona is

[rigid charm]

I dont know

The boomie is to complex

[lofty depot]

Well the only time that wouldve happened was on paladins u know the boss

[rigid charm]

Wrath Single Target starfire AoE I think

[lofty depot]

Yes

[rigid charm]

What is opener for bamkin?

[lofty depot]

U can also wrath in aoe if they're spread, it matters if they're stacked and u would gain value being in lunar to starfiree

[lofty depot]

It's in any of the guides

[inland glacier]

does starfire do pretty solid damage

with the umbral embrace talent?

[lofty depot]

In what context

[inland glacier]

in our damage breakdown

theres the instant one from the apex too which is nice

[lofty depot]

No shit

I'm a pack of 20??

In on a boss?

[inland glacier]

average from a keys overall

[lofty depot]

Pretty ass

[inland glacier]

ah i see, mainly just the spenders i assume

[lofty depot]

Dots

Shooting stars

Starfall

Smolder

[inland glacier]

smolder?

whats that?

[lofty depot]

Read ur apex talent

Or ur damage breakdown

[leaden birch]

I know dreamgrove says to wrath when not in an eclipse when playing EC for single target, but do we not care about lowering the CD on FOE?

or it's just not worth

[lofty depot]

What if that makes foe not line up with ur next set of CDs and ur holding anyway

Or ur spending which doesn't matter cuz ur doing piss low out of eclipse damage anyway

[leaden birch]

so we don't just send FOE anymore like previous M+ seasons

[lofty depot]

I'm not really had times where I didnt have eclipse up for pulls

[leaden birch]

this is strictly ST though, so I'm assuming this would only happen midway into a boss fight

[lofty depot]

I mean yea generally u want to have one up for ur eclipse

And if ur eclipse is 5 seconds away ur gonna hold it to make sure ur eclipse has exposure uptime

[leaden birch]

so we're holding FOE for eclipse

[lofty depot]

In that instance I do

[leaden birch]

I mean, it makes sense

I just figured it could also be like previous m+ seasons where we just send it, but we were always in eclipse back then

[lofty depot]

Now it's all about maximizing damage in eclipse windows

Rather than solely maximizing exposure uptime

[leaden birch]

so then it's also vice versa, hold eclipse for FOE

if it's somehow gotten so out of sync

[lofty depot]

Well yes

[earnest isle]

hey quick question why do we need to put tree before celestial alignement not after is it big difference ?

[sleek dirge]

one global cd less in Incarn that could have been a builder

if you press trees while in incarn, its a global cd that is not spent on doing more dmg with an empowered wrath for example

less optimal

[earnest isle]

#showtooltip Celestial Alignment
/cast [@cursor] Force of Nature(Talent)
/cast [@cursor] Celestial Alignment
but with this macro its not even using a gcd idk if im wrong

[normal pilot]

fon costs a gcd

if you want to be optimal you cannot macro both like that

[sleek dirge]

but then its out of synch with the incarn ?
i know i'd get mixed up after a few cycles of tree pressing

[earnest isle]

alright i will do seperate then if its better

thank you for helping me out brother love oyu !

[sleek dirge]

im not an expert enough to know if its good or bad, i just don't do it like that 😄

[lofty depot]

U rather use incarn the 0.5 gcd prior to a Starfall/surge press

[earnest isle]

im pretty new to as a boomy x)

[lofty depot]

There's a reason that macro isnt in any guides

[earnest isle]

alright so i press first tree then celestial in two different macro

[earnest isle]

alright 🙂

thank you guys have a wonderful night

[limber citrus]

Is starfall worth it on 2 targets now?

[sleek dirge]

last i checked, 10 days ago, yes because of the "recent" up of 16% on starfall

for example on dragons, you starfall on both of them

[limber citrus]

ty ❤️

[lofty depot]

It was better before that

Oopsie poopsie

[cinder jackal]

during eclipse, is it better to full-spend AP or only spend if the next generator would cap? Reading the prio/faq from the compendium leads me to think the latter.

[sleek dirge]

during the last 4sec of eclipse (arbirary set by myself), i try to only cast builders so that i am close max AP so that when the eclipse ends, i can press another eclipse and get spend everything rapidly to get the three starlord stacks

i always try to finish packs with some ap left so that i can chain and go again to max starlord. otherwise i feel like it's even longer to ramp up

[cinder jackal]

sounds like what I have been doing.. spend 3x asap to get starlords, then build back up and maintain higher AP

[rain river]

is there a way to check on logs what stat you got from recklessness pot

[lofty depot]

U would have to go look at ur buffs then do some math

Depending what stat u want u can force it kind of

But think it's just easier to use the int pot

[rain river]

yeah i was just wondering if theres an easy way to find it, other than looking at base stats and adding all other potential proc or buff

[lofty depot]

There are plenty of times u spend to not cap btw

It isn't just build to 100, spend to 0

[cinder jackal]

yeah, i was more curious about whether it's more important to fit more spenders in the eclipse windows or to maintain an amount of AP towards the end of eclipse

[round field]

i mean depends

you can do both

[lofty depot]

Well if ur in eclipse and 1 is coming that means ur not capped on asp, u can sit outside of eclipse for 5 seconds and build

Ur worried/seem to be worried about staying in eclipse rather than spending/building ur asp efficiently

[royal zenith]

ur worried seem to be worried

[ocean cedar]

is there an explanation why star cascade procs solstice for 1s, not for 2.1s (70% of free starsurge)?

[lofty depot]

Cuz blizzard doesn't want it to proc that long

Convoke only procs 1s solstice

[normal pilot]

there's a good chance the dev doesn't even realize it procs hail of stars

[mystic heath]

so what are using voidforge on you think?

alnseer good or go for cane?

[lofty depot]

Many factors to consider

U'll likely just sim the increase and pick

[sleek dirge]

im not sure, i havent look at everything nor understood everything.
the crafted 2h staff, myth, is currently 285. Can you really get it to 298 ?

[lofty depot]

No

It'll go to 295

[sleek dirge]

but other weapons from raids/vault will get to 298 then to keep the difference ?

[lofty depot]

Yes but also the difference now is 4 ilvls, it'll be 3 with that

[twin lotus]

they need to make human form wild charge 45 yards

[dense steeple]

So a new Thai street food place opened up here like 6 months ago, never got around to trying it

We decided to try it, pulled in. They have a sign up saying now open

But they also have a sign up saying "were moving come see us at our new location soon, its only 15 miles away"

This is about to be the best Thai food I've ever had because aint no way am I gonna go over there for it

[lucid olive]

It was in the blue post specifically when it got added as a tier set

maybe they meant to leave it out but forgot it was there, or it was done on purpose who knows

[lucid olive]

Free Starsurges from Convoke also procs for 1 second

[lofty depot]

Wow I wonder if someone also said that

[dull dust]

prob gas

hes p smart

[arctic ruin]

What m+ dungeon are y'all farming next week with bonus rolls

[dull dust]

wtf does a bonus roll do

[arctic ruin]

I don't have myth chim on farm yet or I'd use it there probably

[lucid olive]

do you need to have the instance on farm in order to roll

nexus point good place to bonus roll

windspire as well

[arctic ruin]

Yeah I'm thinking npx too

[dull dust]

does that give

myth gear

[arctic ruin]

Yeah

[dull dust]

the fuck

[arctic ruin]

If you do m10

[dull dust]

so i need to farm keys before I take vault now

[sleek dirge]

i don't know who made this, but im stealing this 😄

[dull dust]

[arctic ruin]

Yep the fuck. 2 free myth gear from m10+ or 1 myth gear from raid

Grabbed from reddit post

[arctic ruin]

If you don't take anything from vault, you can exchange those socket coins for another bonus roll

[dull dust]

im probably just gunna run spire or some shit

since my trinkets are poo

[royal zenith]

oh yeah?

[dull dust]

on my paladin

[lucid olive]

bonus rolls don't

upgrading them with the other currency does

[dull dust]

what other currency

[meager storm]

surely if u already have a piece from a boss or get it from vault, it will get removed from the bonus rolls loot pool

surely u wont get duplicates

[dull dust]

[lucid olive]

that is how its supposed to work

i would just recommend not using your bonus roll for the first 5 days

[dull dust]

gamz how do I get the other currency

[lucid olive]

and let the early birds get fucked from it

[lucid olive]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/midnight/the-voidforge-patch-12-0-5-bonus-loot-rolls-upgrades

[meager storm]

they said the item from the bonus rolls gets removed from the loot pool

but i didnt see anything about vault or owning a piece already

[dull dust]

can I get that in 5 words or less

[lucid olive]

oh yeah

you're right

[royal zenith]

how many voidcores do we get on reset?

bruh what are all these names man

[nova ocean]

They mention specifically it's removed when obtained in this manner

So only bonus rolls count

[royal zenith]

voidcores, voidforge, ascendant voidcores

[lofty depot]

bonus rolls or upgrade thingys

[dull dust]

its what happens when u dish out only slop content

[lofty depot]

lets not call them by theyre dogshit names plz

[royal zenith]

I have no idea what is what

but I guess the shit you use for bonus rolls

(which cost you 2 per roll)

[pseudo merlin]

pug it ?

its the most free pug boss ever

[meager storm]

upgrade things are just farmed like cata charges

[pseudo merlin]

2

[royal zenith]

shit system

[pseudo merlin]

????

its literally insane

wdyum

[royal zenith]

no it's shit

[pseudo merlin]

????

[royal zenith]

I have to do a 6 week quest

[pseudo merlin]

explain yourself now

[lofty depot]

insanely ass

[royal zenith]

for 2 of those items?

dogshit

[pseudo merlin]

wdym 6 week

you just kill

18 bosses

which you're doing anyway

1 key is 3 bosses hello

[royal zenith]

correct

dogshit system

[pseudo merlin]

??????

[royal zenith]

give it for free

[pseudo merlin]

i mean its basically free

if you kept up

[meager storm]

2? i thought it was 6 and then +2 every week

[pseudo merlin]

smh

what

[royal zenith]

Im already up-to-date

[pseudo merlin]

no we're trolling now

surely

the dude above linked a whole ass fucking flowchart

[royal zenith]

why else would you 'craft' 6 voidcores

if you dont get 6

[pseudo merlin]

you dont

[royal zenith]

actually gaslighting

[pseudo merlin]

you need 6 to power up the forge

it literally says so

if you click the forge

youre both ragebaiting me

fuck you