It’s the same as having a staff crafted
#balance
gaunt ruin
Crests, yes, but It’s easier to min max later
lofty depot
being effecient with crests only matters early
gaunt ruin
Yes. But I am not in a rush for any hard push early. I am playing the entire season so is fine
In 12.0.7 they will remove the crest cap
lofty depot
so for 4 months u just look stupid
mmhm mmhm
"guys it doesnt matter cuz in 12.0.7 i wont"
gaunt ruin
🙄
dull dust
doesnt matter to me rn
lofty depot
stfu chanceL
dull dust
gaunt ruin
It’s fine. I just want to min max what I have now. Again I’m not in a rush for 1 ilvl more
jaunty blaze
i mean its the opposite of minmax but its alright
lofty depot
dont think u know what minmax means but sure
we just have a helm un-upgraded cuz we wasted 80 crests
gaunt ruin
I just took the helm
lofty depot
yea what happens next week when u take another myth item
2 items that arent full upgraded
cuz u wasted 80 crests
"im minmaxed for later tho"
when u ccan craft an off hand in 12.0.7 when it doesnt matter
gaunt ruin
I will upgrade my helm anyway. I didn’t farmed the myth crests this week.
solid cedar
Heart of Wind (hero 3/6), Glorious Crusaders Keepsake (Hero 5/6), Crucible of Eradic Energies (Champ 6/6), they sim about the same but what is recommended combo?
fickle pier
crucible probably the best of those three, fart of wind and crusader whatever are bad
but yeah sim it
unique remnant
Is this important?
unique remnant
We're still tier B, right?
lucid olive
@lofty depot you wanna write it? i got raid
lucid olive
We're still tier B, right?
tier lists are fake
made to farm your algorithm and generate clicks
jaunty blaze
b for balance
lofty depot
write what
lucid olive
pin about meteorites change
lofty depot
sureeeeeeeeeeeee
jaunty blaze
he is read the pin not write the pin duh
lucid olive
can be both
wild dune
b for based
stone ledge
lofty depot
With the 12.0.5 patch, there are a few changes to Meteorites:
-
Meteorites has been updated - Every time Starfall drops a wave of stars, a meteorite also falls on up to 2 targets in its range, each dealing Astral damage. (was 1).
-
Meteorite projectile damage reduced by 30%.
This doesn't change any builds for bosses, but rather makes your current builds for bosses like Vaelgor and Paladins do more damage. About 1.5%-2% gain on 2-3 targets.
lofty depot
Is this important?
thanks for the picture 🙂
lofty depot
u know the stars that be falling
shadow willow
drifting nova
like I did raid with ec talents and only done kotg with convoke
neither have meteorites
lucid olive
people just read Meteorites tooltip and think it's an AoE talent
lofty depot
"a" meteorite
lucid olive
so they get confused when they see "damage reduced by 30%"
drifting nova
people read new moon and think its an aoe talent
lofty depot
now it says a meteorite falls on 2 targets
drifting nova
when it does reduced aoe because ??
lofty depot
new moon doesnt do aoe damage silly
lofty depot
yea but its a small... new moon
lucid olive
now it says a meteorite falls on 2 targets
yeah, but original tooltip says "every time Starfall deals damage" and now it says "every time it drops a wave of stars"
drifting nova
yeah patch writers dont know what starfall does
is there a way to get a key for the week
lofty depot
apparently neither do u
drifting nova
without choosing vault
drifting nova
surely vault wont be depresso for a 3rd week in a row
lilac condor
I’ve bine doing like. 10m+ but my dmg ever since I started m+ seems to be low
Mcompared to the previous season
lofty depot
post a log
icy beacon
So I was watching lorgokz stream last night and he said he’s the best boomkin player ever. @lofty depot can confirm.
What are your guys thoughts on this?
jaunty blaze
das crazy
dense steeple
So I was watching lorgokz stream last night and he said he’s the best boomkin pl...
you talkin shit about lorgokz?
mighty mica
icy beacon
you talkin shit about lorgokz?
No cause I agree with him. Hes #1
dense steeple
damn right you do
mighty mica
leave it to boomkins to have misogynist dick riders
hollow gazelle
dense steeple
lmao
jaunty blaze
Damn he said your name
jaunty blaze
Why is it tho
dense steeple
he doesntdo enough head curls
jaunty blaze
Makes sense
drifting nova
is the era of tanks linking routes gone
lofty depot
hes bored at work, please ignore
lofty depot
leave it to boomkins to have misogynist dick riders
fumaria is a groomer thoughts
mighty mica
WHOMEGALUL
icy beacon
Woah. Dog groomer. Important distinction
jaunty blaze
Emphasis on insane?
wild dune
crazy comms
gentle patio
https://www.twitch.tv/lorgokz/clip/SnappyElegantRaccoonNerfBlueBlaster-7bKEbvEHI...
this braincel stil plays??
fiery kindle
@lofty depot hello! can u share ur vanguard log? i wondering opening
lofty depot
its public
fiery kindle
oh
fiery kindle
Don’t worry, I’ll play badly too... im baiter 🙁
or you could call me an elephant trainer
craggy sonnet
mhmm mhmm
ok, gimme another 5mins .. gotta fix sim stupidly moonfiring at the start of incarn (fixed)
tender elbow
Hello; I have a quick question for Belo’ren mythic; so you can only interrupt your coloured little bird. If you have Light, you can only kick light. But can you use other CC on the other one?
An example, a ret pala uses interrupt on Light one and a stun on Void?
quiet drift
Not sure about hard CC but you can typhoon both
dull dust
ok, gimme another 5mins .. gotta fix sim stupidly moonfiring at the start of inc...
clankz
fix route
uwu
frail sonnet
do we spend SS procs to extend solstice even in aoe?
lofty depot
u spend it instead of starfiring
frail sonnet
nice, i thought i was trolling
craggy sonnet
fix route
i have no clue how tho. would have just tacked some time_to_diethings onto dots and maybe pre_cd_condition and called it a day
craggy sonnet
but i havent even added any aoe stuff to my apl yet .. had no motivation the last week or so
so you already fixed it then
ggs
craggy sonnet
what about it is broke
bitter warren
maybe a dumb question, but how can he cast force of nature every 30 sec? it has a 1 min cd, or?https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xQf8dV72GPkvW9jB?fight=15&source=8&type=casts&view=timeline
loud kettle
Well that makes it 45s so still impossible? || control ||
lucid olive
so less powerful CD
bitter warren
yes I saw it, but its still I am missing something there, or? when its still 45s
bitter warren
ahh
bitter warren
got it, thanks @loud kettle and @lucid olive <3
ivory barn
craggy sonnet
make it a 2min cd
can we make you a 2min cd with 50% buff to relevant contributions?
drifting nova
can we make you a 2min cd with 50% buff to relevant contributions?
-DKP
I dont make the rules
native mason
As someone who wants to try Balance druid.. What are the cons the spec has?
vocal aspen
I am struggling with Balance rotation. Any recent good video link will be great.
lofty depot
As someone who wants to try Balance druid.. What are the cons the spec has?
cooldown management
ramp up time at the start of packs
lofty depot
I am struggling with Balance rotation. Any recent good video link will be great...
tettles made a video... but videoes go out of date too fast to be reliable
rough flax
As someone who wants to try Balance druid.. What are the cons the spec has?
Its not meta 
and resto druid is bis for keys so gl
dull dust
what about it is broke
It was still using eclipse and stuff as pull ended
mabey ill try make it work again tonight
route is for uglies tho
native mason
cooldown management
ramp up time at the start of packs
Thank you
native mason
Its not meta <:KEKW:776795158922002462> and resto druid is bis for keys so gl
I have my own group for that
pseudo merlin
@drifting nova
drifting nova
<@253616853157412865>
kourend was a mistake, help
pseudo merlin
dude im pogging the fuck out in wildy
drifting nova
like I wanted it evnetually to try cox but 1st is not it
pseudo merlin
look at all this shit
drifting nova
did get a 1kc blue spear from moons atleast so its looking up
pseudo merlin
huh
drifting nova
the mage spear
drifting nova
well yeah, kourend has fuck all
drifting nova
hesp for range, skot, catacombs
but yeah wanna try cox with gim so was going to take it anyway
just 1st was not the choice
shouldve gone mory
pseudo merlin
meh
is the bow really that good
theres no synergy with combat healing perks
do you really need infinite prayer
drifting nova
idk ima respec soon anyway, blindbag is ballsbag
pseudo merlin
im just perma healing with onyx bolts
honest musk
pseudo merlin
yes
drifting nova
deadge otherwise
pseudo merlin
another one lmao
digital notch
Hey I noticed a disparity between my sim numbers and what people play in raid. EC seems to sim higher both in ST 5 min and 3 target 5 min , while I see people playing KotG on most bosses. Is there a known reason or did I fuck up somewhere?
Here are the sims:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Gjyt5cT52syxcCeSe48RD
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/miniBynPnfkCNbg41Qa2fq
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4XPu6Fh4AdavEPXMvmStN5
pseudo merlin
put <your links here>
maiden pasture
Hey I noticed a disparity between my sim numbers and what people play in raid. E...
you have a LOT of haste AND a haste on use trinket
EC really likes haste, kotg doesnt as much because the main CD of convoke doesnt scale with haste
EC and KotG sim very close together anyway in their bis gear, but EC is a lot harder to pull off because its more uptime reliant and ur sitting there casting starfires which are long af
lofty depot
Hey I noticed a disparity between my sim numbers and what people play in raid. E...
ec sims higher sure, its impractical to play
maiden pasture
gz
uncut roost
wheres your mythic one
slender girder
digital notch
you have a LOT of haste AND a haste on use trinket
that makes sense, thank you for answering so quick ❤️
digital notch
ec sims higher sure, its impractical to play
Thank you for the answer ❤️
fickle pier
your two specs aren't really equivalent either - taking different talents between the two
digital notch
your two specs aren't really equivalent either - taking different talents betwee...
That I know, was mostly surprising about the difference of the hero talents when I first looked at it. Makes sense now tho
lofty depot
That I know, was mostly surprising about the difference of the hero talents when...
its not weird that ec sims higher than keeper
its not out of the ordinary
digital notch
Havnt really played balance before so not used to the simming standards of the specc, so that is good to know
wild dune
hidden heron
Hello guys, new balance druid here, be playing a lot since the new expansion released and i got some questions about my parses and damage overall.
So, I know, indeed, that I have few casts cause I move a lot, however feel like my avberage hits dont get as much damage than the others bdruid with same ilvl... is it because the enchants or any other reason?
Could you analyse my last parse in Belo'ren heroic, and tell me what i need to do to improve? Tysm for the help. 🍃 🌓
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TP9aNwyKjdVgCnRL?fight=last&source=4
lucid olive
Hello guys, new balance druid here, be playing a lot since the new expansion rel...
your opener should be fury of elune -> force of nature -> celestial alignment -> starsurge in this situation
you didnt use cooldowns in egg phase
oh your egg phase was at like 2 minutes
and you played 2m convoke and send it randomly at 1 minute
sent weird during 1st egg phase too
didnt moonfire egg either until the trees did it for you like 10 seconds into the phase
hidden heron
your opener should be fury of elune -> force of nature -> celestial alignment ->...
Why tho? do i need to open like this always?
lucid olive
yes
thats the order you should send your cooldowns if they're all up
you can hold treants/ca/convoke up to 15 seconds without losing a use
this is also why the 1st cast of them is 15 seconds shorter cd
but in the case of beloren you guys went into egg phase at like 01:43 or something, you could have sent your full cooldowns on pull and then also had full cooldowns for the egg
obsidian jetty
Why tho? do i need to open like this always?
you're wasting gcds of 40% crit on
every second you spend on those dead gcds is -4% crit on your astral spells, and 2% on others
hidden heron
but in the case of beloren you guys went into egg phase at like 01:43 or somethi...
Ok, gotta improve that in this fight, tysm
lucid olive
you should always align all your cooldowns together in every fight
hidden heron
you're wasting gcds of 40% crit on
wow damn i understand it now
lucid olive
thats just generally how moonkin works
hidden heron
sure
delicate perch
sure
hidden heron
sorry ahaha
delicate perch
nah that was based
hidden heron
i was trying the new rotation
hidden heron
you should always align all your cooldowns together in every fight
gotta practice more and i think i will be able to improve both boss fight and class
tysm for the tips really ❤️
very tired about grey parses lmao
pseudo merlin
@drifting nova wrong piece -.-
drifting nova
blue spear+eclipse bottoms, having no stab wep blows
copper gate
Is the primary reason we use incarnation over convoke due to the number of adds in a fight?
lofty depot
generally yes
pseudo merlin
blue spear+eclipse bottoms, having no stab wep blows
im ranging them
i dont understand how this works tho, do I kill all 3 or just 1 ?
drifting nova
depends what you wnat
1roll per for 3 then +1 for all 3, if you only want blue then only do blue
pseudo merlin
you lie
copper gate
i know theres hardly any logged kills but any reason as to why consider elunes chosen over KOTG on mythic beloren
lofty depot
theres actually not that much movement in either phase but specifically in p2 u want the most damage
there are people using both tho
copper gate
yeah I noticed its not heavily leaning toward one or the other, theres more KOTG i was just curious
coarse lodge
How much worse for raid is EC than KOTG? Kinda like playing EC more and was curious
delicate perch
that's the neat part
foggy plover
Hello. Is there a list of items with upgrade priority for next week? (298 ilvl)
normal pilot
you don't aim for anything. at different points in gearing items will ahve different values. so you sim
orchid willow
well yeah i know
delicate perch
that makes no sense
orchid willow
ok sure
delicate perch
pseudo merlin
that makes no sense
every
single
time
"guys what are our stat weights"
we stopped using stat weights in 2013
well yeah I know
??????
pseudo merlin
The amount of people who think like this is
I need a thesaurus to come up with a fitting word
delicate perch
mfers are defs using some pawn string to see whats an upgrade
delicate perch
based
pseudo merlin
Or like
"I know I need to sim, but I read somewhere that haste is our best stat weight and my sim is telling me to replace 1 haste enchant with 1 vers enchant, so is the sim broken? Is this a simbait? "
"why is gamz lying to me?"
gaunt lantern
pseudo merlin
wild dune
"I know I need to sim, but I read somewhere that haste is our best stat weight a...
when the robot says to spend 40k gold swapping gems for 0.1% damgur 
wild dune
better than reforging atleast
get a new piece of gear and spend 2 hours reforging every slot
delicate perch
better than reforging atleast
I’ve heard enough, bring back azerite pieces + the infinite scaling cost to change them
pseudo merlin
get a new piece of gear and spend 2 hours reforging every slot <:garf:1182703292...
well
you just used the addon to solve it right
lofty depot
Hello. Is there a list of items with upgrade priority for next week? (298 ilvl)
assumption being you should upgrade your weapon first..... but you just sim the items and figure that out
you can only upgrade weapon and trinkets so its not like u can make many wrong decisions
wild dune
you just used the addon to solve it right
Man I was young and had a full head of hair, barely knew what addons were
pseudo merlin
i remember the days very well
teal sphinx
I’ve heard enough, bring back azerite pieces + the infinite scaling cost to chan...
big
delicate perch
pseudo merlin
@drifting nova
compact musk
Why does Moonfire (with Twin Moons talent) sometimes just...not hit another enemy even if they're right next to each other?
delicate perch
they need to be in combat
lofty depot
the ai trees hate u prob
compact musk
they need to be in combat
Ah. What about when they're doing the fake combat with an NPC?
So I can't pull with Moonfire and have it also pull a 2nd enemy?
delicate perch
sadly not
it should pull the group assuming they're linked but it won't dot a 2nd mob
compact musk
There must be something else preventing it, because I just hit a group of enemies with Sunfire and then used Moonfire and it still only hit 1 enemy, even though they're well within 15 yds.
drifting nova
psst moonfire and sunfire have different ranges
compact musk
You're misunderstanding.
There were 3 enemies
In a tight pack
Not egaged with me
compact musk
I hit them all with Sunfire
delicate perch
do not interact with kekkers
compact musk
Then Moonfired the same one I Sunfired. Sunfire hit all 3.
Moonfire only hit the one in the middle
compact musk
we'd need a video of that happening tbh
I mean, I'm pretty sure I can replicate it if you want to watch me stream it.
normal pilot
maybe they're not in combat until sunfire actually does damage
compact musk
maybe they're not in combat until sunfire actually does damage
It does initial damage, so it wouldn’t matter.
compact musk
the initial damage is single target
compact musk
Either way, I just gave it plenty of time to tick before using Moonfire and it's still not hitting the other enemy.
pseudo merlin
Yeah but you could've recorded it by now
normal pilot
guess could also be the dungeon dev fucked up the coding on the mob
you can try and see if starfall hits it
compact musk
compact musk
I mean, this happens pretty regularly regardless of scenario or not.
I thought it was a targeting/mouseover issue for a long time because it's been so inconsistent.
You know, user error
normal pilot
the devs don't really put much care into all the shit that can go wrong with npc teams and stuff
with npcs figthing npcs etc.
i guess you can put in a bug report whenever you come across it
compact musk
Right, but this happens out in the overworld too
pseudo merlin
wow that is definitely a ui
compact musk
wow that is definitely a ui
Dude, you're useless.
pseudo merlin
Yeah I've got nothing else to add, looks like the game is just completely fucked
It's okay new patch in a few days tho
Half the game isn't working
normal pilot
you're just supposed to pay your $15 and be happy with housing anywyas
orchid willow
@delicate perch i apologize i see what your saying now
pseudo merlin
speaking of housing
i need to stop need rolling on furniture
'i have like 9 target dummies
and i dont even have a house
atleast prog is over next week so i can go back to playing other games
lofty depot
what in the holy fuck are those binds
lofty depot
mmo mouse andies and their rotational buttons on mmo mouse
pseudo merlin
not shift or ctrl
dull dust
arctic
pseudo merlin
its all alt modded
lofty depot
what
dull dust
hai
lofty depot
hi
dull dust
lofty depot
go double check clankz work on the long opener
dull dust
where
lofty depot
uhh
lofty depot
<@121360917907767296> https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bB2B92CPgYbNJKsvvqz...
here
dull dust
i did 
lofty depot
im trying to pendulum spew in the opposite direction
lofty depot
i did <:sadge:1006372491641491547>
verdict?
foggy plover
you can only upgrade weapon and trinkets so its not like u can make many wrong d...
And how does it apply when you use 1h and offhand?
pseudo merlin
real wrastling or the kind where a bunch of men hug on the floor?
lofty depot
And how does it apply when you use 1h and offhand?
well idk how many coins u get.... but mh is better than oh
idk if vaelgor is better than oh
its not something im simming
but u will likely when that comes out
dull dust
i opened the details and my browser crashed
lofty depot
real wrastling or the kind where a bunch of men hug on the floor?
well both of which happens in real wreslting and as assumed pro wrestling
and yes i do watch both
lofty depot
i opened the details and my browser crashed
compact musk
what in the holy fuck are those binds
austere sparrow
What is the ideal opener if you dont have natures balance
Start with an Eclipse or only start with eclipse only if you get proccs
compact musk
not shift or ctrl
I played FF11 for yeeears and it's a habit that's kind of carried forward from that.
lofty depot
What is the ideal opener if you dont have natures balance
Start with an Eclipse...
uhh depends on the fight right but yea eclipse long opener
lofty depot
likely spend ur asp for the ascendent buffs
pseudo merlin
were they like hard locked to a certain thing
compact musk
could you not use ctrl and shift there
You could use CTRL, but not shift. I'd rather use my thumb than my pinky.
pseudo merlin
ah
compact musk
And my thumb is hypermobile AF, so bending it under my hand like that is np.
I knew I shouldn't have posted the video though, because I never got a helpful answer and everyone just trashed on my keybinds and UI.
lofty depot
bending under the hand instead of just pressing control
compact musk
bending under the hand instead of just pressing control
Literally no one asked.
lofty depot
hoes mad
pseudo merlin
That's crazy
Usually it's user error, you post video proving that it's Blizzard error
What else do you want people to do
Get a job at Blizz and personally look into it?
austere sparrow
uhh depends on the fight right but yea eclipse long opener
alright, feels kinda weird when you dont get a single procc 😄
pseudo merlin
There's no way you're so butthurt over people poking a little fun at your UI and binds
lofty depot
alright, feels kinda weird when you dont get a single procc 😄
is kinda weird in a sim too
cuz it sends at weird asp times
dull dust
its like 0.2% sometimes
but like whatever
making opener longer is more often gunna grief u
lofty depot
like sometimes ur doing it regardless
like vaelgors to pad
saladbar u could do some other timings for adds
dull dust
yeah i mean if it works for timings u do it obv
lofty depot
but idk how it lines up later
dull dust
but if it costs u part of a incarn at the end of the fight ur down
lofty depot
ye
austere sparrow
Just get a procc and if not then sabotage the fight to wipe and start again - got it
lofty depot
but that requires me to know the time of the fight length and also when adds spawn
lofty depot
Just get a procc and if not then sabotage the fight to wipe and start again - go...
before u wanted to enter at like 40-50 asp
cuz u had foe and trees running
usually u made the 3 surge threshold
pseudo merlin
yes
lofty depot
uhh
lofty depot
is fine
dull dust
sunfire then 2 globals later sunfire again
pseudo merlin
who the fuck cooked this up
dull dust
lofty depot
add the kindling variable
lofty depot
no i meant the apl line for sunfire prior to incarn
dull dust
oh idk if thats even in clankz
lofty depot
can likely ignore if kindling is talented
dull dust
huh
oh nvm
i wonder if u have kindling and not weaver
if u should starfall in incarn if sunfire will end before incarn does
lofty depot
oh i thought that was from a route thing u were working on
so assumed u were in m+ talents
my fault
lofty depot
its 1am silly
dull dust
3am for me
lofty depot
brain is fried
dull dust
skill issue
lofty depot
yea but u stay up all night at a gas station
dull dust
gotta watch for the crackheads
lofty depot
would depend on route
assuming shit lived long enough
but yea that is something that happens
lofty depot
uhhh
i think u could
in 17s or higher
i did a 16 and didnt send 2nd incarn
but thought i could
dull dust
lofty depot
id have to see the sky reach big first pull was worht
think all the others are 1 incarn bangers
dull dust
also found out earlier
that algathar is currently really bad for route
with the copy pastes
because crawth lives forever cuz theres no debuff or buff for killing him
acoustic zealot
does anyone in here do log reviews by chance? Not performing as well as I feel I should be and could use help figuring out why
dull dust
@lofty depot if he didnt fall asleep
tardy hare
does anyone in here do log reviews by chance? Not performing as well as I feel I...
pad on adds
tardy hare
this season is literally about padding adds. gg
acoustic zealot
tardy hare
if starfall isnt your nr 1 damage delt youre not doing parses
yeah starfall isn't your n1 damage on averzian and vorasius
acoustic zealot
vorasius is just pure ST outside of aoe'ing the bug adds no?
tardy hare
yup
fossil hemlock
I mean this is just a cop-out bad reply
fossil hemlock
"Hey guys, I feel like my damage is low. What can I do to improve?"
"Just fucking pad"
delicate perch
jade flume
delicate perch
Just fuckin starfall innit
dull dust
pretty common stuff
sunfire durring incarn moonfire when ur about to trees
being afk
acoustic zealot
the afk part there was a temp lagout during the pull
fossil hemlock
You used traents and incarn at 48 seconds then a naked fury of elune at 1:05, should just hold 2nd trees and incarn for foe
dull dust
u have control aswell so u can be trying to sync trees and foe better
surely u have dks
acoustic zealot
We had 1 dk
fossil hemlock
I mean it's a guild that killed paladins mythic
Surely the adds melt
And you don't bother dotting them
dull dust
true
fossil hemlock
Just slam some starfalls
fossil hemlock
Like from the movies?
lofty depot
wouldnt u have drawn this then?
acoustic zealot
the no hotw is troll i take it?
acoustic zealot
This is legit my 1st tier raiding boomkin since df s3
lofty depot
getting a 2nd defensive after years of needing a 2nd defensive and then not talenting it does sound kinda troll no?
fossil hemlock
Btw, when did they change fluid form? I remember on ansurek they made it so you had to spend a global outside of form
But now you can just cancel form right at the end of a wrath and instantly powershift
acoustic zealot
so sorry if some stuff i do is omega stupid
lofty depot
But now you can just cancel form right at the end of a wrath and instantly power...
it used to be before the cast finished
now its at the end
which yes was at the end of s1 tww
lofty depot
and yes im not doing log review
dull dust
u arnt using trees on cd
lofty depot
im sleeping
dull dust
jsut with incarn
lofty depot
clearly
dull dust
USE TREES PLEASE
acoustic zealot
Do I just spam it on cd basically?
dull dust
with foe since u have that but yes
round field
getting a 2nd defensive after years of needing a 2nd defensive and then not tale...
Yea but the defensive puts me in bear form so i wont press it
Dps loss
lofty depot
yea
lofty depot
2 druids in raid?
round field
3 even
lofty depot
why we brining a boomkin when have better druids
round field
gkick this man
Wdym im homeless
dull dust
same
round field
Dont gkick me from below the bridge
acoustic zealot
apologies if my logs gave psychic damage and ty for the advice. Gonna go practice it more
delicate perch
me when streaking stars
lofty depot
when boomkin was fun
dull dust
acoustic zealot
hotw should only be used when in bear form correct?
dull dust
yea
acoustic zealot
think it would be useful to macro them together or just separate?
fossil hemlock
I mean you can also use it for some off healing without losing dps on fights where you're not needing bear hotw
acoustic zealot
I've mostly been using it as that I won't lie
fossil hemlock
It's like the haranir racial, not a lot of healing but basically free
somber path
bout the best use for haranir racial aoe heal
obv never going to compare to nelf but has it's very niche uses
tardy hare
I have never thought this but you could actually play balance without moonkin form?
Would be nice to troll my party skipping moonkin talent
round field
no
tardy hare
does Incarn still put us into moonkin form?
round field
yes actually
at least it used to
and it would keep you in moonkin form even after its over
tardy hare
I'll try that
round field
good luck casting sunfire
well you cant untalent moonkin form anymore afaik
you automatically learn the talent
tardy hare
yeah seems like it 😄
earnest isle
hi guys why do people dont moonfire at the opener ?
pallid bay
trees moonfire
earnest isle
hmm alright thank you guys !
merry ridge
Will meteorites see playing in m+ from wednseday?
royal zenith
sure, why not
royal zenith
there doesn't need to be a counterpoint
the talent is whatever
like 50% of our talents
round field
ur whatever
pallid fulcrum
on dreamgrove it mentions that you should cast 3 wraths as the opener at ~4 seconds left on the pulltimer, however on logs i can only see that people use 1? or doesn't timeline on wcl properly show it?
royal zenith
timeline shows when the fight starts
oak lion
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/demon-soul/wikkid
Hey team, trying to help my guildie get better and pump in the ways in the weird and wonderful boomy.
Can someone please help with some tips etc, is it the right build etc.
I do see eclipse uptime being too low which is alot of dmg loss but im not sure how to get those numbers up. And she really likes boomkin so I want to see her do well!
fossil hemlock
Build looks fine, but there are some fundamental misunderstanding about how moonkin works
I would recommend starting with one of the written guides
oak lion
Just plain ol tell her to go and check wow head guide?
fossil hemlock
Compared their logs with some rando who did better, that's a lot of sunfires your friend casts
oak lion
Pretty sure she said shes done that 🙁 ... sigh. 4 weeks in now and the dmg is lower than what it should be and I hate seeing guildies get reqlly discouraged about their class
fossil hemlock
Pretty sure she said shes done that 🙁 ... sigh. 4 weeks in now and the dmg is l...
She might have read the guides, but she's not applying it
I would recommend practicing it in non-stressful content like on a training dummy for a bit until the basics stick
delicate perch
I would not often suggest OBR, but looking at the casts it screams overwhelmed by mechanics/not really understanding the class
oak lion
Yeah i think being over whelmed explains alot
That also explains the uhhh what do I do, sunfire!!
delicate perch
pretty common misplay of "I gotta move what do I press"
instead having a surge or two for that movement
fossil hemlock
It's marginally better than doing nothing, but it happens a lot more than it should
oak lion
Compared to pooling astral power for movement and using surge
delicate perch
oak lion
Okay, will see what I can do to help
delicate perch
theres even a wild charge + surge in the opener which is much better than a sunfire
oak lion
Any decent videos out there or just carefully read wowhead guide spend some time on dummies
Thanks for your help team,
delicate perch
I think tettles made a midnight video but unsure whats changed since then
might be a good enough starting point if videos are easier content to consume
oh, I would suggest they read the newish eclipse mechanic, they did not press it until 1:39 ):
oak lion
The newish eclipse mechanic?
sacred oriole
Hi, i feel a biit low on my DPS and i think i have too much mastery, can anyone look a this plz : https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/hyjal/Deameuh, i think a can replace my neck by a craft 285 ? thank you
spice roost
sacred oriole
Ok thank you
fossil hemlock
The newish eclipse mechanic?
Changed from being "cast 2x filler to enter eclipse" to "press button and enter eclipse based on last filler"
oak lion
Ahhh right yeah got ya
Yeah i thought you pre cast wrath and go into eclipse straight away followed by moonfire sunfire, fury of elune > trents > CE, spend a bit of astral then convoke then just maintain eclipse and try line it up with trents every time. But ive not played boomy in a good while
craggy sonnet
yeah because his short was bad
you up? wanna fight?
craggy sonnet
but legit idk what you did there
cause that is not what it does
in the link i sent
craggy sonnet
what so your short opener presses eclipse?
craggy sonnet
oh, i dont think you ever mentioned changing that
craggy sonnet
now i understand what arctic meant when he blabbered something about raidbots does eclipse first
dull dust
i think its just ec too
actions.opener_kotg+=/eclipse,if=!talent.natures_balance&!talent.convoke_the_spirits
er
ah well
anyway sleep now gn
craggy sonnet
gn
tawny linden
Question related to vaelgor trinket: mastery has diminishing effect over time. So, in a m+ scenario big pull, do you set up your dots > Fury of the elune > Inc + pot > starfall + vaelgor or you directly pot +vaelgor? (because the value of mastery is higher in the first fews seconds and most of the spells benefit from it). Do not know if I am clear enough
tacit oriole
You want to use it with pot and incarn
fossil hemlock
The trinket doesn't really change how you use incarn. Even without it you still want to set up and be fully ready to blast by the time you press incarn
tawny linden
Thanks. I was not sure if there would be or not a way to minmax that trinket cause of the dimimishing effect
delicate perch
the minmax would be not spending its duration dotting pre much
which is just how you also press incarn
gaunt wagon
im confused why there is druids stacking crit and the others stacking mastery :/
fossil hemlock
brain off, follow raidbots
delicate perch
Maybe they think crit is cute :3
gaunt wagon
im watching rank 1 druid on stram he is playing full crit
delicate perch
Rank 1 
fossil hemlock
I have a bit more mastery than crit, and crit is now same value as mastery for me
delicate perch
That’s insane
fossil hemlock
im watching rank 1 druid on stram he is playing full crit
violet patrol
Does Crucible of Erratic Energies works in all zones and contents with buffs from protocols or only in voidspire/voidstorm/xenos?
fossil hemlock
Everywhere, assuming you upgraded in console
violet patrol
Thank You
slender island
im watching rank 1 druid on stram he is playing full crit
surely if you copy their exact stats you will play exactly like them, mhm
earnest isle
guys do you know where i can find a good pov of a boomy in chimaerus mythic please ?
jaunty blaze
Youtube
gaunt wagon
I have a bit more mastery than crit, and crit is now same value as mastery for m...
well if they have the same value then it makes sense cuz he always playing with aug
earnest isle
is it better to starfall or starsurge on chimaerus mythic when there is boss and only the big add ?
fossil hemlock
well if they have the same value then it makes sense cuz he always playing with ...
How does that make sense?
And they're only the same value in my current stat setup, not in all stat setups
Who are you specifically talking about anyway?
You just said "rank 1" which doesn't mean much
ruby badger
im confused why there is druids stacking crit and the others stacking mastery :/
They're just taking whatever gives them most ilvl + sims best
gaunt wagon
cuz aug has crit buff ! im talking about Canexx im just asking cuz i'm getting confused
ruby badger
I think if you're an offmeta spec, you wouldn't count on playing in the meta comp
He does play with a lot of augs but I don't know if that factors into people's choices for gear and stuff
This many resets into the tier it's simple as just taking whatever's highest ilvl and sim jewelry
fossil hemlock
cuz aug has crit buff ! im talking about Canexx im just asking cuz i'm getting c...
But why would that mean stacking crit is better?
round field
If you crit more you do more damage
Duh
If you check bloodmallet you can see crit is best stat for ec
true fog
birds, does the reduced cd from Control Of The Dream also start stacking up while out of combat, or only begins counting when combat starts?
sorry if its a bad question im a noob:(
fossil hemlock
It stacks up out of combat too, unless the bug is still around but I haven't heard anything about it
livid jay
yea its fixed
inland glacier
how is convoke compared to incarnation?
ruby badger
burstier, does a bit better on ST
livid jay
better on pure ST but since this raid is a disgustion pad fiesta its never played
ruby badger
worse when you start introducing more targets
livid jay
almost never
inland glacier
worse when you start introducing more targets
so no for m+
ruby badger
If you want to, go for it
inland glacier
im trying to find the difference from incarn and normal allignment
ruby badger
But incarn will do better
inland glacier
is it just longer lasting?
livid jay
read talent 😄
livid jay
20s instead of 15s
inland glacier
thats nice, especially with 2 charges at the same cd
craggy sonnet
and technically puts you into form if you werent in moonkin already (but doesnt matter almost ever)
inland glacier
that orbital strike talent is cool, but is it not taken anymore?
livid jay
correct
inland glacier
and technically puts you into form if you werent in moonkin already (but doesnt ...
i know its dumb, but i constantly forget to go into moonkin form after flying in travel form
do you guys have anything that reminds you to go into moonkin? or do you just have muscle memory and never forget atp?
craggy sonnet
you can have addons putting an icon in the middle of your screen
if you are missing it
livid jay
the button i moonfire with in moonkin is moonkin form in all other forms (but ive been called names for that in here before)
inland glacier
the button i moonfire with in moonkin is moonkin form in all other forms (but iv...
ohhh put moonkin on your primary action bar?
never thought of that
i know fluid form could help but thats not taken it seems
inland glacier
what would you drop for it?
i have a druid i played boomy on before but im currently leveling on a new one for a resto druid im leveling, starting to really enjoy boomy as i level though lol
inland glacier
oo i love when people maker these kind of talent charts
livid jay
its in the guide thats pinned to the channel
check it out if u want, but depending on which level of boomkin caster skill you are at atm it might be a bit overkill
inland glacier
i kinda just wish they would make the forms off the gcd completely
so you could just macro forms to abilities
inland glacier
yeah would it be op in some way im not thinking about?
or would it just be nice qol and maybe a slight dps increase in some settings?
livid jay
i mean it would just remove the effect of having different forms
inland glacier
wdym?
livid jay
if i want frenzied regeneration on my boomkin i have to go bear and press it, two globals
and then a global back to moonkin if im not playing fluid form
inland glacier
it would be basically passive yeah i see what you mean
livid jay
brings some friction with it
would probably make for some very cringe gameplay for guardian players
if they could use cat form for their damage buttons and want to optimize damage
dead tanks everywhere 😄
inland glacier
hmm yeah that makes sense
maybe just make it off the gcd when entering from human form
that might be the way, would benefit situations like leaving flight mode and would also help resto players who are incentivized to swap a lot
but going from bear to cat or owl to bear etc, that would stay on the gcd
inland glacier
yeah i just need to remember to go into owl form more lol
proper mica
How do people do more damage with the incarn ST build. It sims less than convoke and I can’t get it to do the damage in raid
lofty depot
so you could just macro forms to abilities
U don't want that
U think u think u do but u dont
lofty depot
How do people do more damage with the incarn ST build. It sims less than convoke...
Because they're not only doing st damage
proper mica
Right. What I meant in a raid environment
inland glacier
U think u think u do but u dont
proper mica
Semantics. On a boss you would use incarn on
lofty depot
It's not semantics
proper mica
IE second boss of void a lot of balance are using incarn
lofty depot
No shit, there's a million adds during the drops
U think they're hitting boss during that time?
proper mica
No. Every one and there mom pads on adds
I cannot do more on that fight in incarn vs the convoke build
lofty depot
You can post a log and find out why if u want
If u want the shitty answer, the worse you are at minmaxing your damage inside cds the better convoke is for you
lofty depot
So damage is 1 week apart different comps, more ilvl. And u did like 600k less
I don't see u padding on adds
ruby badger
Convoke and Incarn also don't play that differently honestly
lofty depot
Also both ur builds are the same both of those weeks
ruby badger
If you're struggling with Incarn specifically you're probably just struggling with normal balance gameplay
lucid olive
if I were to guess
lofty depot
Cuz it's not on top logs
red nymph
Archon top 100 parses on bosses like saladbar, and bird heroic
pallid bay
anything thats yellow here is not a must
swipe and astral insight sharing color kinda criminal
ruby badger
Your first eclipse on HC vorasius is 1 spender then a bunch of builders and you sunfire the boss when you sunfired like 10 seconds ago
lucid olive
1m convoke is fine
lofty depot
Not dumping asp prior to convoking
(idk if u Sunfires prior, funny on pull stuff). But if u didn't u should had
Call it 19 where CA ends, u sent a surge outside of eclipse and now have very little going in
Those next 2 eclipses, u casted 4 surges during both
Not prepping into CA with asp, do it dumping
Because u used there, now u don't have CDs for adds
Also, just a side note..... Heroic logs are giga cursed... It's week 500, shit dies in 3 seconds the only way ur parsing on add pad is if there's 18 people that are ilvl 250 and ur 280 with better fingers
lofty depot
Because u used there, now u don't have CDs for adds
All those canceled wraths
Ur actively not preparing for movement
Last eclipse at 233, means those 3 surges are outside of eclipse and furthermore wasted while not being in your next one
Sending starfalls and such at the tail end of them being alive
lucid olive
whoever log it is you're lookin at
lucid olive
swipe and astral insight sharing color kinda criminal
updated it now
lots of the color coding stuff had old talent names
swipe used to be thrash
lofty depot
whoever log it is you're lookin at
Asked
Timings fucked on heroic
Adds come out at 30s instead of 1m
Means if u wanted to pad you would've held on pull
But also implies ur playing a pad build... Which would Include meteor storm which ur not
umbral quartz
Are the wowhead builds up to date? The 1% runners have different builds
lofty depot
lofty depot
Needless to say actively trolling cds
slender island
Are the wowhead builds up to date? The 1% runners have different builds
are you a 1%er? hm
lofty depot
What does 1% runners mean
umbral quartz
99% im sorry
lofty depot
I've just never heard "top logs" be referred to as 1% runners
Nonetheless those builds were updated recently
But ur asking a practicality question
ruby badger
Lots of talent nodes can be shifted for marginal gains / losses
Shouldn't matter too much in the grand scheme of things
vale pebble
@lofty depot review this at 2:30 mate https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1yMmqtLT2fJ6VnhN?fight=43&type=casts&source=11&view=timeline
lofty depot
<@121360917907767296> review this at 2:30 mate https://www.warcraftlogs.com/repo...
Question
Where is the hotw
Since it doesn't show, are u pressing pre trinket?
Or is it 224
With said rake
Also tragic u only get 1 ravage proc with first guardian
maiden pasture
Where is the hotw
doesnt show its cringe
lofty depot
Well yea it doesn't show on logs
Warcraftlogs said funny api doesn't show it
Devdh doesn't show void meta either
They track it by buff on lorrgs
pallid bay
<@121360917907767296> review this at 2:30 mate https://www.warcraftlogs.com/repo...
gg didnt overcap for ravage
true fog
towards the end of our first incarn, do we start pooling astral power for eclipse, or do we keep spamming star surges?
pallid bay
noobert?
vale pebble
gg didnt overcap for ravage
bro
look my
2nd egg
i would be overcapping
for 10s straight
lofty depot
towards the end of our first incarn, do we start pooling astral power for eclips...
Sim slams asp
vale pebble
sunk cost fallacy
pallid bay
gege
pallid bay
you pussled but didnt hotw in it
lofty depot
That what I was asking grr
pallid bay
pussle pot lb hotw wg ravage -> ravage
vale pebble
i wasnt playing around that
but u lose like
so much rage
if u hotw start
ig u can do like
pre cat form
shmeld rake wg
pallid bay
you could do pussle pot lb wg ravage hotw mayhaps
vale pebble
beam shmeld rake hotw mangle red moon thrash ravage