balance

[drifting nova]

one of black mage and chicken does damage

[royal zenith]

melee definitely heavy on the wrists I'd imagine

[last briar]

balance apm seems not that bad

[normal pilot]

play dev for low apm + high dps

[royal zenith]

it's not that bad ye

[round field]

If you want something easier on the wrists

[drifting nova]

bm hunter

[round field]

Like dev or any energy spec

Outlaw excluded

[royal zenith]

bm hunter is perma spamming buttons kekkers

[drifting nova]

suggesting rogue in 2026

holy

[last briar]

my personal rec was soul devourer (i think that's what it's called) aff lock

[drifting nova]

wait really thought you press beastial wrath and pet solos it?

[last briar]

apm is barely above 40 and you get access to the other warlock specs

[royal zenith]

[drifting nova]

all I know is arms is alot slower than fury, mostly why I hate fury

rsi inducing

[last briar]

but they really like balance aesthetic

[normal pilot]

actually. if he's a new player you may as well get him started on the main class of the expansion

[round field]

I havent seen an affli lock player in years

[normal pilot]

play devourer

[drifting nova]

was a apm post few days comparing specs, lemme try find it

[last briar]

hero class

they're starting from lv1

[round field]

Dev not rly low apm tho

[normal pilot]

not as low as evoker but ti's still low

[royal zenith]

I think devourer

is your best pick

genuinely

[last briar]

low apm, easy to play, good performing

[drifting nova]

fury 💀

[last briar]

yeah

[normal pilot]

devourer's gonna be good all xpac

[drifting nova]

shame as I like thane warrior

[royal zenith]

^

[drifting nova]

sucks arms doesnt get it

[normal pilot]

pretty solid choice for new player

[delicate perch]

theres no way thats a real spec

[drifting nova]

hero class buff

[last briar]

ok tysm for replies every1 that basically solves that lol

[round field]

Well it has long casts

Eye beam and star are both over 2 seconds

[drifting nova]

and can double one

I hear

with a bug

doenst consume the cd or something

[royal zenith]

it shotguns

but you can't perfectly reproduce

so its w.e.

[delicate perch]

random ec log from first boss still had 53.8

[royal zenith]

yeah it's really low

I should reroll

[delicate perch]

real

[royal zenith]

stinky balance

all that work for being mid

[dull dust]

poopy spec

[royal zenith]

like fury

[round field]

Devourer is so good

[royal zenith]

yeah but leveling is not

[round field]

Ur just playing surrender to madness rav frenzy every minute

[royal zenith]

gauging my eyes out trying to lvl a new char

[wild dune]

gearings worse honestly

can 80-87 in like 3-4 hours

then do all the delves rq

[royal zenith]

I have a few warbound pieces..

one token..

[round field]

I have a bunch as well

[jaunty blaze]

And then you have to max crests

gg

[royal zenith]

why'd you have to mention crests

[dull dust]

if only devourer meta killed them at the end

[round field]

(Theyre all shields and off hands)

[royal zenith]

I nearly got myself there

bruhhhhh

[round field]

You die insta if you domt get 5 stars in

[dull dust]

just another 100 keys deux

[jaunty blaze]

Well

[round field]

Great

[royal zenith]

the crests is still something they really need to fix

like it's so bad you have do like 50 dungeons to catch up

[round field]

My personal hate about crests is

[jaunty blaze]

Wouldn't be too bad if you didn't have to get champ and hero crests too

[round field]

U just go into 10s super fast which drop hero gear

And u never get hero crests

Until you cap myth

[jaunty blaze]

Exactly

[round field]

Just make 10s drop both

[royal zenith]

you can trade it down...

[round field]

Why not

[royal zenith]

[round field]

[royal zenith]

I really dont mind the crest system on a new char

but yeah alting

ugh

[dull dust]

if that removed it from the max of the above instead of griefing I'd consider it

[royal zenith]

yeah it's giga grief

[ivory barn]

am i only one stuck with this? Only heroic cosmos trinket is 0,2% better ( allready have valgor hc trinket )

[jaunty blaze]

The crests system is good as long as you are kept up in progress

[royal zenith]

I don't see how you're "stuck" with a good trinket that you had to do zero effort for

isn't that a good thing?

[round field]

Imagine theres an option in the game that lets u just delete myth crests

[jaunty blaze]

But getting there is horrible

[ivory barn]

Bcz its not hc :P

[royal zenith]

and?

[ivory barn]

I want uppgrade :c

[jaunty blaze]

Oh no bro doesn't get his upgrade dopamine

[royal zenith]

be happy this wasn't venthyr boomkin times then..

[jaunty blaze]

😭

[royal zenith]

🔔

[round field]

The bell...

[jaunty blaze]

[normal pilot]

eh upgrade dopamine is a core part of wow

[dull dust]

🥀

[normal pilot]

why do you think they made the talent tree

[jaunty blaze]

It really is...

[dull dust]

[royal zenith]

you can always equip a higher ilvl trinket

[dull dust]

delete the talent tree

[royal zenith]

if you want that dopamine...

[dull dust]

delete arctic

[ivory barn]

true

[royal zenith]

yes

agree

[dull dust]

might aswell just give me a single 50 point fill node

that says +1%

each time

[royal zenith]

it's just bad

filler shit

[dull dust]

2 sec cdr off eclipse

[jaunty blaze]

Lock in

Dev really thought they cooked with that one

[dull dust]

every 15 uses u get another one

ish

[royal zenith]

I wouldn't be surprised if devs also just hate the system and are stuck with that shit

[drifting nova]

take us back to shadowlands

the glory days

[royal zenith]

cause it sells more copies

[signal palm]

Quick m+ Q chaps - is there any scenario where it's worth using WRATH in m+?

[dull dust]

give me all my utility base and give me like mop style trees with actually 24 cool talents that are useable

[jaunty blaze]

Out of eclipse

[dull dust]

not 3 xpacs of 1 line

[drifting nova]

never

[kindred pine]

Guys are the sims broken for Balance? Im trying to sim Locus trinket and it doesnt seem right

[jaunty blaze]

What doesn't seem right about it

[kindred pine]

Crucible is simming over HC Locus

[jaunty blaze]

Can happen yes

[kindred pine]

its simming like 5k above xD?

[royal zenith]

did you 'level' your crucible

[jaunty blaze]

Ye and

[royal zenith]

if not, turn off the checkboxes at the bottom

[kindred pine]

its leveled lol

[royal zenith]

it's a good trinket

lol

[plucky anvil]

Hello ! Sorry the question has been asked already im sure. But how should i use tthe talent "Starweaver" in a pack in m+ ? Should i use star surge when free or focus on meteors ?N

Using starsurge in multi feels weird

[kindred pine]

i guess whats confusing me is the trinket sims dont rate it very high

[plucky anvil]

same question for meteors on mono target 🙂

[jaunty blaze]

Play rattle then

[kindred pine]

but its simming decently on mine

im simming patchwerk 5 bosses 1 min

[jaunty blaze]

Ye because you don't look at trinket sims

[normal pilot]

'trinket sims' are mostly useless

[jaunty blaze]

But sim your own character

[royal zenith]

what is the trinket sims even

[normal pilot]

it's for ppl who don't care about correct asnwer, they just want any answer

[royal zenith]

if you look at the top logs, there's still boomkins that run the trinket

and are like top 20

[normal pilot]

also 5t 1m sims are mostly pointless too

unless you're gonna rewrite the apl to adjust

[kindred pine]

yh bro but a week ago i was one of those boomkins and i wouldnt trust my own boomkin choices 💀

[royal zenith]

yeah I dunno, then it's a matter of trust

[jaunty blaze]

If you don't believe the sim then you can always vibe it

[royal zenith]

you can always try and get vaelgor's stare and gaze combo

[kindred pine]

haha im trying trust

[delicate perch]

nice self report

[royal zenith]

I think the ribbon is kinda 'okay' but nothing more

[kindred pine]

Hahaha

[dull dust]

ribbon is gamz kyrian pick

[royal zenith]

ribbon mythic beats my champion gaze by like 1k 'only'

[delicate perch]

I'm still using void rep trinket

[dull dust]

free leech

[jaunty blaze]

All that rep farming wasn't for nothing

Valuemaxxing

[simple fox]

Noob here — how are you all enjoying balance for mythic +? Some say mid/boring. yes I couldn’t myself but would rather solicit the community and save time

[dense steeple]

Most people have a positive outlook but still feel underperforming on damage

[safe veldt]

Question im seeing a lot of logs use starweaver and some use rattle - is there a massive difference or are they almost equal ?

[fickle pier]

gameplay pretty good, tuning average

[fickle pier]

all balance talents are almost equal. They're all really weak

[safe veldt]

lol but like theoretically

does the free cast of starsurge / starfall

outweigh the flat dmg increase from rattle ?

[dull dust]

how many numbers

[safe veldt]

M+ big pulls

i mean we're talkin 5+ every mob for the most part

if we're doin appropriate pulls

[fickle pier]

they are pretty close in most scenarios

[safe veldt]

ok so basically just choose what style then? cause I personally hate having the extra casts

i feel more comfortable using rattle and just keeping the flow I have

[fickle pier]

they are just slightly different profiles but aren't gonna impact overall meaningfully

[safe veldt]

ok ty ty

[fickle pier]

i also play rattle because brain off

[wild dune]

starweaver keeps brain engaged

brain engaged = more dps

[dense steeple]

Ayo any of you guys do like weekend alt run heros?

NA of course

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova do i need to choose a relic to get the passive 8>12x exp

or is that part automatically applied and you can choose later

[drifting nova]

its part of the tier so yes

[pseudo merlin]

so yes what

[drifting nova]

YOU NEED THE RELIC

DO YOU READ

https://tenor.com/view/scream-cat-funny-cat-gif-4241061833130538976

[pseudo merlin]

makes no sense

[dense steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cat-reaction-screaming-gif-27691350

[drifting nova]

by choosing the relic you get the PASSIVE PASSIVELY

the relic is chosen

[pseudo merlin]

do I go soul harvest

or larceny

[drifting nova]

soul harvest seems cool but I'm broke without transmute

so larceny for me

[pseudo merlin]

true i do need money

idk how else to make any

wait

why is a rune battleaxe worse exp/hr than unarmed

[stone terrace]

is the dungeon slice sim option fixed yet?

[dull dust]

[meager storm]

[dull dust]

mightve started it and then forgot

[normal pilot]

i woudln't expect dslice to ever work. maybe droute but not dslice

[dull dust]

I guess he also said slice not route

dammit

[stone terrace]

why would it never be fixed?

[normal pilot]

dslice is a bad model, so no real point trying to work on it

waste of time vs working on making droute work

[stone terrace]

except you dont know the route with pugs....

[lofty depot]

ur looking for a perfect sim, i promise.... there aint one

[gentle patio]

in some years AI will take over APL and we get some really cursed rotations

[jolly delta]

thoughts

[dense steeple]

Idk what im looking at

[meager storm]

overlay raidbots

[dense steeple]

Whats i do know is dslice sims will never "be fixed" lmao

[stone terrace]

oh

[jolly delta]

in game overlay with raidbots/addon management/log uploader

[dense steeple]

Is it good tho

[stone terrace]

except im not. perfect would be droute. i just want something that broadly applies to dungeon runs.

[jolly delta]

idk I just did some mockups

but since im the one that will be developing it

then yeah its good

[dense steeple]

Theres like 50 variables to your damage per pull, per dungeon. You aint getting one

[lofty depot]

well neither does that

[jolly delta]

1t 5m

[dense steeple]

And almost every variable is not you or related to you in the slightest

[dull dust]

reported

[dense steeple]

Every other class and spec doing dslice sims as if theyre reliable is a meme. I can almost promise you those TCs and experts never use it

[meager storm]

[dull dust]

I dont even sim

[lucid olive]

i only sim if i have to prove a point somewhere

[true viper]

how get

[dull dust]

(this is a joke I sim a lot)

sims are ur friend

but m+ isnt real

[limpid pasture]

hey guys I'm a bit confused here, been long time since I played balance druid and I just touched it rn.
With Elune's Chose HT I cannot move into solar eclipse.
Does it mean that on ST bosses (for instance, bird boss in algether) I'd only press starfire in lunar eclipse?

In celestial ST (for instance, bird boss) do I spam wrath there or should I only use starfire?

[jolly delta]

not ready yet

might be, adhd permitting

at one point

[dense steeple]

In st lunar eclipse and starfire yes

[dull dust]

vinter hurry up so I can steal it and rename it

[dense steeple]

The only exception is if you are NOT CURRENTLY in lunar eclipse(or incarn) you would wrath in ST

[jolly delta]

i like to think i played a big part in raidbots finally waking up from slumber

feel free to donate no need to thank me

[limpid pasture]

so even in incarn i'd press starfire?

[dense steeple]

Yes

[limpid pasture]

even though it gives solar eclipse (obviously)

ok

[dull dust]

how do I donate

[stone terrace]

[limpid pasture]

basically I don't press wrath (besides outside any eclipse)

[dense steeple]

Ill give you my venmo dm me

Ill make sure he gets it

[dense steeple]

Correct

[dull dust]

and also if I donate can I get the real xalatath counciling site

[jolly delta]

||https://www.dreamgrove.gg/about||

[jolly delta]

no but I can whisper you some asmr instead

[dull dust]

aye yo

whoops accedently donated to crazymeow

[jolly delta]

gg he deserves it

[delicate perch]

ring your bank and cancel it

[dull dust]

already on it

[drifting nova]

wrong class bub

[jolly delta]

its just a mockup screen

[limpid pasture]

somaloria

is elune ahead of keeper for m+ specific?

[drifting nova]

no, the scales

[lucid olive]

sune page got removed 🙁

[jolly delta]

he removed it 😭

[dense steeple]

Yeah slightly, but if you want to play keeper and can be good at it you can do big dam with that too

Its just got way more ways to mess up maximizing damage so people just dont do it.

[rough flax]

Elune hero talent buff the dmg from Starfire thats why even in CA you want to keep pressing it

[static sluice]

Can someone ELI5 what if anything the 12.0.5 changes mean for us in raid and M+?

[gusty storm]

yo is 22% haste too much ?

i see raiderio good score boys does around 17%

is there a sweetspot ?

[jolly delta]

the one the sim tells you

[lofty depot]

on the bosses that u played meteorites on... u will do more damage

[dull dust]

what is love

[drifting nova]

which is no boss?

[lofty depot]

?

[jolly delta]

kekkers probably didn't do a single boss yet so checks out

[drifting nova]

god I wish

raid is stinky

[pseudo merlin]

did you defeat an echo boss yet

[drifting nova]

got fisted by amox

does that count

[pseudo merlin]

lmao

isnt that the easiest one

[drifting nova]

probably

[pseudo merlin]

i just 2 manned huetztlaltl

[drifting nova]

but I am mixed hide with a fucking wizards hat

[pseudo merlin]

took like 10 minutes

[drifting nova]

and it has the same issues moons has

way too easy to click through

flapping about like a flag

[pseudo merlin]

whats the best food

im just buying swordfish from the shop

cant cook sharks yet

[drifting nova]

karams from the same shop

idk I have butler so I get food delivered

[pseudo merlin]

oh wait

he can cook food

good call

[dull dust]

bro has a butler?

the hek?

[pseudo merlin]

ye

me too

[dull dust]

wtf

[drifting nova]

kourend first was a big mistake aaaa

[pseudo merlin]

forgot to bring a prayer pot to echo kbd

now my echo is gone

[ivory barn]

What would we need to lift boomie up a notch in dps. Starsurge dmg? Dots? Aoe?

[lucid olive]

another 20% aura buff

[drifting nova]

wait kbd is actually the easiest wtf

[ivory barn]

Can u spesify little bit gamz?

[drifting nova]

starfire buff WHEN

fuck starfall

[pseudo merlin]

are you blind or

also dont have antivenom

[dense steeple]

So a 20% aura buff will grant a flat 20% increase in damage to everything

[drifting nova]

na amox is melee so where you step matters, kbd is just run around like a clown

[snow elm]

I’d like spenders to feel more powerful so spenders 40% buff thanks

[pseudo merlin]

wow you dont lose your echo

[ivory barn]

Aha. Gotcha. Ye that would be nice

[pseudo merlin]

you cant be serious

amox has like

[drifting nova]

yeah thought it was 1time use

[pseudo merlin]

1 mechanic you need to sidestep

KBD put envenom on like 90% of the tiles

you have to be very careful with movement

[drifting nova]

you have 10x the space

[ivory barn]

Also i have another question. On cosmos phase 1. Is it better to wait 20 secound to hold incarn. Before they pop the shield of adds? Dont we do more dmg then?

[dense steeple]

I do what they do on lorrgs

No idea what it is as im not online

[ivory barn]

Lorrgs?

[pseudo merlin]

you mean 20 sec on pull?

Because that's what I do

different spec but I reckon the logic is same

[pseudo merlin]

15-20 sec

[dense steeple]

Lorrgs.io

It shows you the CD usage of the top 50 logs

[ivory barn]

So they burst before shield get removed. Interesting

[delicate perch]

proof?

[dense steeple]

I almost guarantee theyre not even doing that

Those guys are probably standing in the middle of the room just dotting and starfalling

[lofty depot]

u get 6 droplets dead on it at around 10-12s

and u get 8 around 18

[dense steeple]

Because parsing this tier is how much do you pad

[lofty depot]

do u want to do mroe damage

or do u want to waste ur whole cd without amp

[ivory barn]

Idont know. Just trying to find out whats best. For min max

[lofty depot]

well answer the question

[delicate perch]

what are you even yapping about bro

[lofty depot]

u want amp or not

[delicate perch]

jfc

[ivory barn]

Probably dmg right

[lofty depot]

yes more damage good

[ivory barn]

Cuzz i tried stand in middle ish. But droplets go to me. Wich is bad. But i get more dmg.

But i should stand on side i think

[delicate perch]

wait

are you trying to minmax heroic logs

[ivory barn]

Yes im bad sorry

[delicate perch]

unless you've got some wholesome pad free guild ur probably cooked for padding in a casual guild

go for boss dam logs like a chad

[ivory barn]

I dont know what that means xD. But ye pretty cassual guild. We havent beat cosmos yet.

[pseudo merlin]

casual guild cuz you didnt beat mythic cosmos?

[delicate perch]

if everyone is padding, no one is

I think they mean heroic rav

[pseudo merlin]

oh

[ivory barn]

Ye hc

Mythic u crazy🤣

[delicate perch]

toxic elitist spriest...

[ivory barn]

So based on this. I should full send pre shield drop i asume.

Unless shield drop pre 15 sec.

[hardy crystal]

Does anyone know, if there is a way to Track Sundered Firmament in the Cooldown Manager?

[pseudo merlin]

based on previous conversation i dont think you can

unless someone made it work by now

also not really that important to track

[drifting nova]

you cant track shit, its blizzard

[dense steeple]

Again, depends on the strat you guys are doing.

So what boss do you send the arrows to first?

[sour plaza]

Are we still simming Patchwerk? EC is somehow edging out Keeper

[lofty depot]

thats not odd

its impractical to play

[exotic perch]

wdym i love spamming starfire

[lucid olive]

I sim Patchwerk because I am constantly preparing for the return of the original Patchwerk boss

Then I'll be blasting

[exotic perch]

sludgefist was the closest we will get

and that boss was fuckin awesome

[clever egret]

debating boomy or aff lock

[lofty depot]

well ur playing the wrong spec of lock

so might as well play the wrong druid spec aswell

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/gsvBMcdn9p8.gif

[spice roost]

what do u guys think about this build i saw recrutie played it on a number of mythic bosses

and did well

it also sims well

[ripe slate]

fwiw the shield dropping doesnt mean much in regards to damage (it doesn't give a dr or anything), people delay their cds to give time for some droplets to die on the miniboss so you can cd with a damage amp

[ripe slate]

any build without foe on kotg is a build i approve of optimal or not

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova

[night verge]

When am i casting wrath over starfire in elunes chosen? not 90 yet but im just curious, currently im ONLY using starfire and practically never pressing wrath

[lofty depot]

on st when ur out of eclipse

[night verge]

oh nvm sorry i just read the compendium. If im reading this right i only cast wrath if im not in an eclipse

[rough flax]

[night verge]

oop you got me RIGHT as i figured it out. thank you for answering instead of calling me a dumbass LMAO

so very rarely i take it we'll be castin that shit

[lofty depot]

rarely prob yes

[night verge]

i love this iteration of boomy im so excited to be back

gonna play me some resto and boomy, gotta learn resto tho lol ill be bothering mfs in that disc lata on

[fair pasture]

[pale osprey]

Im a returning boomy player and the opening confuses me the most rn. Mostly due to reading conflicting info. I checked lorggs and see most using CA around 4-5secs in. Did they precast an eclipse that doesnt show in the logs or sth?

Then some that cast it a bit later in like 7-10s and they all still show a cast of eclipse in before that to reap the benefits of first few secs of eclipse ig

[spice roost]

there dotting before

check compendium for opener

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova 2 chaos elemental kills

[lofty depot]

the opener has changed since u last looked prob

[patent lance]

Hey simple question I hope. Normally resto had to go dps offspec for raid tonight. On single target fights I parsed 70s but on multi target I was 30s. Is there a different talent loadout for fights like Vaelgor/Ezzorak and The Paladins?

Or just need to push buttons better?

[lofty depot]

yes, u should use warcarftlogs to see that

but yes, if ur not padding on adds ur not gonna parse

[pale osprey]

Ahye okay I was checking the wowhead opening which shown this. compendium's opening makes a lot of sense, cheers

[spice roost]

what an opener lol

[pale osprey]

This is also on wowhead

Very confusing

Extremely conflicting

Here there's some logic with juicing out an eclipse ig and having it just cycle back during CA but feels iffy

And about the compendium opening. I read somewhere that the treants are inconsistent and unreliable with the moonfire. Do you just whip out an extra gcd sometimes for a moonfire? Or nah

[lofty depot]

well it used to be an increase

but there are fights where u do that anyway

so

[pale osprey]

Oh so when does it make sense? When there's dead moments or short fights or sth?

Or slight stall for ads

[lofty depot]

dragons when ur saving cds for orbs

cosmos where ur saving cds for amp build up

[pale osprey]

Aight makes sense, thanks

[wide dawn]

2min opener nice

Just use
https://lorrgs.io to see highest logs sims

[pale osprey]

Yeah I been using that as I mentioned #balance message, thanks. But there's a common discrepancy I wanted to know more bout that I mentioned there

[pale wing]

Short question: Do I do sth wrong (maybe like mouseovering a mob) or does the moonkin apex talent pull sometimes randomely? It doesn't happen often, but there were some times where I definitley saw my bolts flying somewhere they didn't belong and at a mob which was definitely not my target.

[plucky anvil]

Hello ! Sorry the question has been asked already im sure. But how should i use tthe talent "Starweaver" in a pack in m+ ? Should i use star surge when free or focus on meteors ?
Using starsurge in multi feels weird

And same question for mono target : using meteors on mono ?

[spice roost]

whats mono

and meteors

[round field]

mono is st meteors is starfall

[spice roost]

oh

news to me

[gentle patio]

i wish there was a texture alert for free ss/sf procs, just like moonkin frenzy

[pallid bay]

bet you could make one in m33kauras

[gentle patio]

its also very confusing that moonkin frenzy texture is the same as the original starsurge proc in cata

[round field]

that addon rocket science

[pallid bay]

noob?

[round creek]

Henlo boomies, what addon do you use to track the pandemic window of our dots? I used to BCM, now I'm trying ACDM but I don't really like how it is.

[round field]

No u

[terse tartan]

guys guys

[shy knot]

If u got proccs use em or play rattling stars if it feels weird for you

[lucid olive]

Can make this in eqol

I explained it yesterday if you wanna go looking

[jade flume]

is it dying today

[pallid bay]

i really hope so

[jade flume]

P3 looks harder than i thought tbh, both u and NS were just dropping to the dam sometimes it seemed like

I was hoping for ez thursday kill for us but not looking very hot atm

[round field]

Not even 270

Lock in slacker

[pallid bay]

think its just comfort

and not pressing defensive for memory game

most of our wipes is just dumb shit i think

the constellations are complete ass

[gentle patio]

I see. So would an always active weakaura anchored to cdm icons work in this case?

nvm thats not so easy as i thought xD

[ivory barn]

The right one

[cosmic echo]

Hi Bird lovers, can someone bored and knowledgeable take a gander at these logs and maybe find some issues/tips for improvement to give for my girlfriends damage during M+ runs?
She seems to be hitting a wall with it at the minute so any pointers would help a lot/are appreciated!
(Don't say die less) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/C2bkXZwn3KtLphBQ?fight=1&playermetric=playerscore&type=summary

[gentle patio]

Die less

[cosmic echo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-happy-happy-cat-smile-cat-gif-18259408098481512759

[tender elbow]

🤣

diabolical answer

[sonic surge]

for the fear casting essences in mythic chimaerus, if we stack the adds will solar beam interrupt all of them?

[jade flume]

ass as in hard

or ass as in easy

[maiden pasture]

even from hc that mechanic is hard af man

[maiden pasture]

it will interrupt the main add, an silence anything else in its radius

[pallid bay]

its just hard to see

u get the soaks and stars

spin camera to make sure they dont overlap

[maiden pasture]

not allowed to play top down

truly depressing

[pallid bay]

https://warcraftrecorder.com/link/50ad8707-8dac-41e1-8858-5644c178d184

[true fog]

guys im a complete noob, why do we use fury of elune on Vorasius, but not on something like Imperator?

[gentle patio]

i cant really see anything big at first glance. Maybe switch up some talents. Looks like she's using the build from dreamgrove but i see many players use something different recently and personaly I saw my DPS increase too when changing to this

CYGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWoMbNjxMDwsMzMzMLMYMLzsMziZmxGLzsMmZMWwwAM22mZwY2GATAAAAWYmZmBbGGjBAgZGYA

it takes shrooms, starweaver, orbit breaker and umbral embrace

[cosmic echo]

Thank youu, also die less

[hexed nacelle]

Less shapeshifting to bear form unless using frenzied regen or breaking slows/roots. Work on better positioning/anticipating movement to cancel fewer casts. Pop fury of elune before Incarn. Run with a dh and/or mage.

[cosmic echo]

[jade flume]

yeah i noticed that, shit is overlapping and its the same color for everything too

ggs

[lucid olive]

You probably can, but if you can make it in EQOL add-on then why fiddle with m33kauras

Pick a texture you want to display from any of the classes in the game and hook it to your Starweaver buffs in the CDM

[ivory barn]

why dosent my main show here ? Iv linked my druid on raider io. and set it as main char anyone know?

[hollow bobcat]

if i accidentally enter the wrong eclipse

like lunar in st

do i use starfire or wrath

[pallid bay]

whichever makes you feel less annoyed that you entered the wrong eclipse

[hollow bobcat]

spamming wrath so i can match my form

[round field]

how do u enter lunar in st even

[lucid olive]

Using Starfire for the instant spender in CDs and then not casting a Wrath until it runs out

[round field]

noob

[tender elbow]

I like the name 😄

[round field]

thank you

[hollow bobcat]

starfire during alignment is damage gain

even in st

[pale osprey]

When you're on the end of your CA and ur boutta follow up with eclipse do you pool during the CA, after, not at all?

Cause I read some guide saying you gotta pool before eclipse but also make sure you spend all during CA

Cannot do both

[lucid olive]

yes you can

just wait a few globals with pressing eclipse

that's also why it's sometimes optimal to enter Eclipse before using Incarn

[dense steeple]

oh man i'm so close to 100k https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o5XMApm61mGuh46h4TDBJJ

[craggy sonnet]

Use cheater apl

[royal zenith]

280 ilvl didnt go pass 100k

Pack it up bruv

[dense steeple]

no

[dense steeple]

Give mythic vaelgor and ill do it

[craggy sonnet]

Say what?

[craggy sonnet]

used to be

[lucid olive]

thats not the opener

its also described above what it is

[lucid olive]

can hit 100k with different enchants i imagine

[hollow bobcat]

is it not an increase anymore

i read somehwere it was

[lucid olive]

its neutral

doesnt matter one way or the other

[hollow bobcat]

i see

on crown p2

is it worth using starfire for the undying ads

or just spamming surges

[lucid olive]

the adds that are on 0hp?

[hollow bobcat]

before they reach 0hp

[lucid olive]

i wouldn't cleave onto them

just Starfall when they spawn and they die to the meat cleaver

[hollow bobcat]

aight

[lucid olive]

can hold eclipse and treants for their spawns as well

[leaden birch]

guys I'm 0 brain right now, what fucking addon is placing this on my UI

bigwigs?

[dense steeple]

Maybe, I simmed all the normal ones but it only said to change a couple things for +130 dps

[lucid olive]

can look at Arctic on lorrgs to see his timers for Crown probably

[lucid olive]

eyes of the eagle is the best ring enchant

[dense steeple]

Didnt sim that

[lucid olive]

but the tooltip makes it seem dogshit

[hollow bobcat]

can you take a look at my logs and let me know how to improve

[lucid olive]

yeah i saw you didn't

nobody ever sims it for some reason

[hollow bobcat]

im usually in the top of damage in my raids

[dense steeple]

Ill sim it when im home. I was asked to go to brunch

[hollow bobcat]

but then i open wcl and its a lovely blue 60

[craggy sonnet]

You mean the Instant?

[lucid olive]

nah

[craggy sonnet]

Or entire CA

[hollow bobcat]

i thought casting it was a damage gain

[leaden birch]

okay I am dumb, it is bw

[hollow bobcat]

yea

[dense steeple]

What a chad

[craggy sonnet]

Nah, for sure not

[hollow bobcat]

I see

[craggy sonnet]

If you are talking about kotg

[hollow bobcat]

yea

i dont know where i got that from

[hexed nacelle]

is this EllesmereUI?

[lucid olive]

its bigwigs CR tracker

what other stuff he's using who knows

[craggy sonnet]

There was a time where you may have considered using the instant builder from apex on Starfire

Probably from that

[leaden birch]

I just ripped luckyoneui and moved a bunch of shit

[hollow bobcat]

guess i misintepreted it

oh well

[leaden birch]

then I tried going elvuiless

[craggy sonnet]

But it is a nothingburger really

[leaden birch]

then I parsed terribly against the UI boss so I went back to elv

and some of my shit was moved

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kSw2awrYUGrXkCBvF633kN still not past 100k but the enchants are good

[rose aspen]

Does casting a starsurge at the end of CA deal more dmg than Casting it at the start of a normal eclipse ?

[lucid olive]

sure

depends if it crits or not

but also you can do both

Spend at end of CA/Incarn and pool for next Eclipse

If you don't like Eclipse CD sitting at max charges then just spend the charge before using CA/Incarn

[rose aspen]

Im wondering if it is worth to cast the second CA before the first one ends in order to be able to start a new eclipse and cast 3 more surges in it at the end of beloren intermission

[dense steeple]

thanks boss ill put those on thats big enough to justify

[lucid olive]

sure why not

[rose aspen]

thanks

[lucid olive]

don't have to end the 1st CA early tho

phase is 30 sec

CA is 15s x2

[rose aspen]

yeah so if you use the first CA full duration the second one will last till the end

[royal zenith]

why do you even have FOE in your ST build @dense steeple

[rose aspen]

and you wont have time to solar and surge 3x before intermission ends

[lucid olive]

its the standard weaver build

[royal zenith]

sussy

[dense steeple]

Unironically the best talent boss

Convoke bait

[lofty depot]

[lucid olive]

threw up in my mouth typing that

[lofty depot]

[royal zenith]

he's finally walking the talk

so it's fine

[royal zenith]

dont care about convoke

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mmhjeDUBj4L9ieE7KMcb1s

[lofty depot]

finally??

[royal zenith]

what's wrong with UE @lucid olive

[lofty depot]

i prog r1'd saladbar with 70 parses on it

im shit

[royal zenith]

yeah this tier you're doing well

[lofty depot]

oh

[royal zenith]

last tier you had the same ego

but not the results

[lofty depot]

whatttttttttttttt

[round field]

what is my cat doing

[lofty depot]

sleeping

[lucid olive]

nothing really, depends on the fight i guess

[hollow bobcat]

do the adds in p1 crown need to be cleaved

or can i do solar eclipse

[lucid olive]

i think FoE is better for shit like Crown

[dreamy locust]

Ferals kinda fun in keys when double rake is ignored or not important

[royal zenith]

for sure

[dreamy locust]

Right now, big not the case

[lofty depot]

u can cleave them in solar

[hollow bobcat]

o yeah

worth though?

[lucid olive]

don't enter lunar on p1 crown

[royal zenith]

define worth

[lofty depot]

we dont press lunar

[hollow bobcat]

oh

[lofty depot]

that button doesnt exist

take it out of ur brain

[hollow bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-erase-erasing-taking-out-take-out-gif-26488680

[lucid olive]

think the only time you could enter Lunar is if adds spawn in P2 and your guild is doing 0 dmg so you can spend 15 seconds pressing Starfire on them

but thats not realistic

[round field]

i have a new move

[lofty depot]

adds in p2

blud that shit dies in 4 seconds

[round field]

from the creator of the fabled swiftmend tech

i present

iqnidh

[lucid olive]

thats why its not realistic

[royal zenith]

???

like

what

LMAO

[lofty depot]

sir

[lucid olive]

bro realized he was hitting the shield and flew off

i respect it

[round field]

idk

this class

gives me brain damage

[royal zenith]

no

bro

do not blame the class

[round field]

i wanted to jump on the ledge...

[royal zenith]

you actively decided to jump on top of that wall

there's nothing happening

[round field]

wrong

[royal zenith]

charge through the shield

I dunno

[round field]

theres a shield

[royal zenith]

[round field]

and a tornado

[royal zenith]

why are you trying to drive your character all around the world

[hollow bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[round field]

i dont have a drivers license

[royal zenith]

well it shows

[lofty depot]

is 12 mill the first like 30 seconds of the fight or

does ur spr have fingers

[lucid olive]

i wouldve targeted the other mob and hit voidblade so i'd be behind the shield

[hollow bobcat]

yeah we wiped LOL

but i was normally like 3rd-4th

[round field]

voidblade is dps loss

[lucid olive]

so is hitting the shield

[royal zenith]

casual dropping that with that bg

[lofty depot]

whats the over under on him pressing 10 starfalls and not hitting hard wiht surges

[lucid olive]

is this mythic crown

[hollow bobcat]

heroic

im pugging

[lucid olive]

gg

[lofty depot]

heroic?!?1

[hollow bobcat]

i dont like raiding as resto but I want the locus walkers ribbons

so i play balance

[lofty depot]

when people ask for timings its not for heroic

its not the same fight

[royal zenith]

they thought you were talking about mythic

[lucid olive]

P1 is pretty much the same though

[royal zenith]

in heroic you just do whatever

[lucid olive]

only difference is P2 really

[lofty depot]

incorrect, i stand in the middle and pad in heroic

mmhm mmhm

[dense steeple]

Whatd you do

[royal zenith]

selected UE instead of FOE

[dense steeple]

Still taking foe

[royal zenith]

damn so badass

[honest musk]

does that look sketchy for mgt 15?

died twice, could do more

[lucid olive]

looks fine

[drifting nova]

busted class does most dam even when dead

[honest musk]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1C4yX3mVPZvrAT7D?fight=last&type=summary
anyone free to have a look, i wonder if i improved on latest points

trield to dot more, also tried not to munch cosmos procs

[lofty depot]

riveting gameplay

[honest musk]

one problem with cosmos tho, sometimes you hear ding sound (i added cdm tracker for cosmos) and you are already half way through with next starfire, so you can't always consume as soon as it is heard

do i need to cancel cast of starfire and use cosmos or is it okay to cast 1 starfire after cosmos procs

[lofty depot]

is w.e.

[honest musk]

what does riveting mean 😄

[round field]

finally

[lucid olive]

exciting

[round field]

shoulders

i have summoned

4 ilvl from 1 item

[lofty depot]

u dont need to dot all those books

when u pull everything is w.e. just sunfire it

[honest musk]

okay, noted mr arctic

[lofty depot]

nvm ur tank is cringe

the fuck we doing pulling pyro wyrms into the magisters

growu p

[honest musk]

What’s the problem here

[lofty depot]

hes got a tiny pecker

[honest musk]

When I tank I pull non pyro wryms to boss

For funnel

[lofty depot]

i pull the wyrms on right side to it

[honest musk]

Ye

[lofty depot]

and dont kill right pyro

[wild dune]

[honest musk]

From somewhere I remember we cast wrath if no eclipse and one target

Do I remember wrong

[honest musk]

Hahahaha

I dunno what I was doing there

[unique cypress]

made it as moonkin, what a pain boss

[honest musk]

Congratz

Which boss

Cosmos?

[unique cypress]

Nulleaus ??

[honest musk]

Oh ye

I did as bear

Was pain too

[unique cypress]

yeah monkins cd for kick is longer than the 1shot mechanic of the boss

needed 281gs to live through it with bear + hotw + barksin

[lofty depot]

lol ig were lusting 7 mobs

[honest musk]

Ye he asked lust before second boss

[lofty depot]

well sure... just tiny

[honest musk]

Any other obvious and repeating mistakes with rotation arctic?

Hopefully this is an upgrade to earlier logs

[lofty depot]

weird incarn

wrath for fun i suppose

[honest musk]

Must have brain fart

[lofty depot]

sent all ur asp before incarn

now casting starfire

same fun here

[honest musk]

Rule no 1, always pool asp before incarn

Noted

[hollow bobcat]

if i have 0 crit is it worth changing my crit synergy talents around

[lofty depot]

should get used to using hotw

[lucid olive]

no

[lofty depot]

u should get more crit

[hollow bobcat]

crit sucks!!!

[lofty depot]

9% vers

[hollow bobcat]

its 3% without druid buff

[lucid olive]

crit is better than mastery at times

[hollow bobcat]

I see

i dont have any pieces i can switch out sadly

[lofty depot]

go do some m+ silly

[fleet burrow]

how big in % is the moonkin nerf comming in 12.0.5

[lucid olive]

0%

[honest musk]

what nerf

what is there to nerf

[lucid olive]

there isn't a nerf

but he asked how big % it is

and since it doesn't exist its 0%

[honest musk]

fair enough

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova wait...

can I not get this?

I dont have asgarnia

[left magnet]

hi, can you elaborate on that please. I just follow sims.

[shrewd warren]

On voidspire dragons myth we spam starfall for dragons and only starsurge for intermission add, right?

[round field]

sims will tell you when crit is better than mastery

[pseudo merlin]

Nothign to elaborate on, you're doing the right thing

[left magnet]

ok ty

[honest musk]

my weapon transmog sometimes doesn't show, is that a known bug?

[upbeat flume]

are the raid boss reccomended specs on wowhead fine? or is there a better resource for that

[exotic perch]

warcraftlogs has a top 100 breakdown those are good

[lucid olive]

if you mean these, they're fine

i updated them yesterday

[exotic perch]

damn gamz is on point

[normal pilot]

so much better than tettles

[lucid olive]

beloren and l'ura might change eventually since i haven't killed them on mythic yet

[exotic perch]

beloren is a def a rattle/convoke fight

slam ca the entire egg phase

[lucid olive]

I want to find a format I can use on WoWHead to make the boss specific stuff better

color coding per difficulty stuff is not bad

[lofty depot]

can we suggest ec 🙂

[lucid olive]

could maybe add dropdowns for stuff that changes between difficulties on bosses

[lofty depot]

thats gonna be fun surely

[royal zenith]

EC better with PI

its time

[lofty depot]

yea were not getting pi

but ec do be good 🙂

[royal zenith]

I see a powerinfusion

so you're actually and factually wrong

[lucid olive]

I'll probably swap talents back and forth on that boss until it dies

[exotic perch]

ec in secret phase of lura

[lucid olive]

I have 0 assignments except for re-buff Mark of the Wild

[exotic perch]

just tragic

[royal zenith]

this

and then when you kill the boss

[lofty depot]

its glorious

[royal zenith]

"see EC with convoke is way worse"

[lucid olive]

Belo'ren is literally just "play a boring build and wait for the people with assignments to figure out the boss"

[royal zenith]

"I killed the boss with kotg so yea"

[exotic perch]

best part of having a 1 minute kick too is you never get assigned to kick rotations

[royal zenith]

dont have to soak balls cause no immunities..

[lofty depot]

imagine if beam could kick both birbs

[royal zenith]

just purely turret

[lucid olive]

and then not getting annoyed if a hunter misses their ball assignments 7 pulls in a row

cause that shit annoying

we also only have 1 warlock

I do not envy that guy

[royal zenith]

maybe wordup can reroll

[lucid olive]

nah he's 3rd mm hunter

[royal zenith]

(again)

[lucid olive]

soaks balls

Warlock having to change their gateway depending on where the first balls spawn

sounds so cringe

[exotic perch]

this is another bench tier so love getting my kills once everyone else has figured it all out

[royal zenith]

they have a button to make it an instant cast

it's fine

it's like an innervate

[lucid olive]

it's still really cringe

[royal zenith]

dont you kinda want 2 warlocks for last boss?

[lucid olive]

yeah

we sat our 2nd warlock for beloren

[royal zenith]

I see

sounds familiar

as in; thats what our guild usually does too

[lucid olive]

ye

[royal zenith]

to get most people some playtime

[lucid olive]

i think Warlock dmg rotation is fun, but I played it on some Undermine reclears and had to upkeep Curses and shit

crashed out

[royal zenith]

Its kinda satisfying to cast chaos bolts though

same cast time as a starfire but they actually deal a lot of damage

[lucid olive]

also if you're the type of person who alt tabs between pulls and gets distracted

then warlock is the worst class in the game

[exotic perch]

well except for when some people cant handle getting benched lol

[lucid olive]

Release Spirit, put down healthstones, put down gateway, soulstone a healer, somebody had to go Silvermoon for some shit so I have to pot down a port

then its new ready check and I have yet to re-buff or heal myself with Recuperate

[royal zenith]

then they need to leave the guild

[lucid olive]

0 downtime between pulls on that class

[royal zenith]

gtfo with that attitude

[exotic perch]

yeah its just funny when some cant

[royal zenith]

yeah true

[lucid olive]

I didn't expect to be playing every boss when tier started tbh

especially with guardian and resto both being good and my guild having a hard-on for rerolling meta

[round field]

thats so weird considering ur guild isnt even good

[exotic perch]

i was going to

but one of our tanks started the tier on prot pally

and rerolled to bear pretty fast

(pally sucks)

[royal zenith]

the whole argument of "just play the class you play on best" is overrated

and only being said to make people feel better about being OTP

[lucid olive]

real

[exotic perch]

otp only works well on dps specs really

[round field]

nothing wrong with being an otp

[exotic perch]

if you are a tank you gotta play a few of em

[lucid olive]

nothing wrong with rerolling fotm either

[royal zenith]

grey logging aug does more damage than a boomkin on ST

[lucid olive]

million ways to play the game

[royal zenith]

like why gimp

[exotic perch]

same with healers you need a few healers who can play multiple

[round field]

what if i really enjoy balance druid rotation

[royal zenith]

well you're selfish so yeah

[upbeat flume]

for Vorasius do you want the convoke build or incarn build, the copy gives INC, the preview says convoke

[royal zenith]

lost cause..

[lucid olive]

incarn probably

the copy and preview should be the same tho?

[upbeat flume]

dont' seem to be

[lucid olive]

or do you mean the copy that's further down on the page

[upbeat flume]

or my game is bugging

[lucid olive]

as in the description

[upbeat flume]

when I hit the copy build button I was given incarn, when I hit the preview it showed convoke

[lucid olive]

yeah i see it

smh

should be fixed now

[tr][td][icon name=inv_120_raid_voidspire_kaiju][/icon][url guide=33224]Vorasius[/url][/td][td align=center][=ht-keeper-of-the-grove][/td][td align=center][copy="Vorasius Build"][=talent-build-125][/copy][/td][td align=center][url=/talent-calc/blizzard/[=talent-build-125]]Preview[/url][/td][/tr]

didn't realize the talent hash is linked twice in those so the preview linked to talent-build-126 instead of 125

[normal pilot]

damn 126 builds balance has so much build diversity

[lucid olive]

the EC build I made for Paladins is number 15687

but the ST and Raid Balanced ones are 125 and 126, imagine @wicked shuttle just made those ages ago and steadily updated them

[wicked shuttle]

yeah, those were just some of the original ones

[upbeat flume]

For the opener sequence on wowhead, do you wait for the initial eclipse to drop before incarning, or do you incarn as soon as it's up in the sequence?

[lofty depot]

u dont eclipse prior to incarn anymore

[digital berry]

wrong, you still do on some fights

[honest musk]

Actually I was wondering how do we decide between incarn vs eclipse

Does incarn have prio given that we expect pack will live during incarn

Maybe it is more obvious on raid, but asking for m+

[craggy sonnet]

Source?

[honest musk]

My guess is whichever has 2 stacks so we don’t waste cd

[lofty depot]

[honest musk]

But what if both has 1 stack

[craggy sonnet]

If the pack is worth incarning, you use it

If the pack is not but you would overcap if you hold, then you use it

Unless there is good reason to hold both charges

[craggy sonnet]

I mean, you are just saying it as if it's true

[lofty depot]

love orange clankz

[craggy sonnet]

I can give you a sim later. Not sure what it has to do with being orange tho. I can call you out on yapping regardless

[lofty depot]

yea i just yap what told

spew tho

[dreamy locust]

Id disagree unless ur like top 10-20 region type level

For HOF guilds its really easy to just play OTP's, dont need to metachase at all

[exotic perch]

it really helps to remove silly wipes from prog with meta healers/tanks

dps not so much usually

[wild dune]

tfw ur healer core are all otp's and nobody monks

stuck on paladin prog for an extra 100 pulls

[night verge]

Should i make sure im in an eclipse before spending astral power on starsurge / starfall?

[lofty depot]

if u know ur about to press eclipse, ie ur thinking about ur next 5-10 seconds of gameplay

spending asp outside of eclipse seems dumb no?

[night verge]

yeah thats fair

i didnt know if i was wasting my eclipse was my concern, like 90% of it just using spenders and barely pressing a builder

[lofty depot]

spenders are most of ur damage

[night verge]

true true

thanks ❤️

[dusky lake]

could anyone tell me why boomkins are using fluid form?

[normal pilot]

dps gain when you need to swap form for things like bear form defensive

[dusky lake]

makes sense. I guess they just dont need the extra defensive from Ursine Vigor

[wind vortex]

Guys I have a question, does anyone know why is this relevant

[gaunt ruin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1NQ2fiT4Ekfky7FRCkSkZV

Any way to increase my dmg? I can craft a new item. I can also change the stats of items that I already crafted

[scenic orbit]

@lucid olive statement?

[round field]

uhm why do you have crafted main hand off hand

[lucid olive]

woah

didn't you rob quazi's family of all their income??

[scenic orbit]

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

becuase entering eclipse and not having asp means ur cast ing starfires

which dont do damage