balance

[grim crater]

exactly

no wonder

[normal pilot]

in game meter is mostly useless. if you want to do any sort of actual analysis you need to look at logs

[lucid olive]

remember when blizzard said their damage meter would work server side with aug to filter the dmg in real time

wonder when thats gonna start

[analog moat]

Good jokes.

[fickle pier]

quarter 5, 2067

[lucid olive]

i especially like it when i'm giga pumping p1 on a fight

and the meter just resets for p2

[drifting nova]

wait for it to work with feign death first

[lucid olive]

does feign just reset it

[drifting nova]

what dont be silly

it counts deaths as actual deaths

[lucid olive]

huge

[drifting nova]

just wish when ending a key it didnt swap to the interrupt page

took details swapping to overall for the key for granted

[lucid olive]

i think thats just you

[drifting nova]

it was all worth it

so they could cripple incombat addons

looks at rwf

[lucid olive]

can't really blame rwf either

they used the tools blizzard said were okay

[drifting nova]

just restricted them to the regular user

big shock, addons are a greater part of the game than bosses ever were

[grim crater]

@lofty depot let me know when you check the logs, im here doing some shit from work

[lofty depot]

3hours

[stable frigate]

Do you still run starweaver in m+? If you have like a like a 8mob+ pack and you are almost capped on ASP with incarn popped and u get a free starsurge, do you use it or just ignore and go starfall? Is Rattle better than in that case?

[wicked shuttle]

Weaver is really good, yeah. Can play it or Rattle

Weaver probably slightly better for the timer overall, but Rattle probably on average is better depending on your skill level

in that specific situation youd just press another starfall to not cap AP

[stable frigate]

I tried weaver but felt it was much less dmg trying to use the starsurge proc in a huge pack when i could have used another starfall

[wicked shuttle]

i dont think that's how you should look at those procs

the weaver proc is free

it's like pressing starfire instead

and you gain hail of stars / solstice

[lucid olive]

there's also nothing wrong with pressing Wrath/Starfire when you have a Starweaver proc

since Starweaver doesn't proc off Wrath/Starfire there is no way you can munch it

[wicked shuttle]

if youre worrying too much about your weaver procs, id just play rattle ngl

it's sameish DPS

[lucid olive]

yeah the difference is negligible across a key

just slightly different profiles

[wicked shuttle]

yeah

[gaunt ruin]

Is star cascade still bugged?

[lofty depot]

Unless something has changed yes

[stable frigate]

I actually didn't think about the solstice part if im well into my incarn

[wicked shuttle]

Solstice and Shooting Stars is a huge deal

[lucid olive]

thats basically my issue with it as well

alternating spenders with starweaver is fun gameplay but the benefit currently isn't obvious enough

[rustic swallow]

Are there any recommended video guides for beginners?

[lucid olive]

tettles made one before the tier

it might be a little outdated by now but generally its the same

[chilly python]

Weaver allowing free back to back procs is just too good dopamine to pass

[lucid olive]

i think all fights like Alleria where you're dropping shit behind you and constantly moving along a platform is especially fun with Starweaver

Sarkareth was the same

just a shame Rattle was better on that boss

chain proccing Starweaver while walking up the stairs on Sennarth was peak dopamine

or when crossing the room on Diurna

[little matrix]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1dYyVxX28Gqj7aMt?fight=last&type=damage-done can somebody help me troubelshoot the boomie dmg? im a bit lost

[lofty depot]

U could start by dotting mobs

[little matrix]

wdym? Like fully dot before doing anything else?

[lucid olive]

before using CDs yeah

[lofty depot]

Well, dots and shooting stars are a big part of your damage

Ur actively not doing that

[formal crest]

Make a wish on a shooting star to increase damage

[little matrix]

fair enough.

does the sequence look fine otherwhise? Im trying to figure out if theres something fundamentally wrong. besides the doting part :P

[lucid olive]

use wild charge more

also feel like you didnt press incarn nearly as much as you probably should

[lofty depot]

I mean ur spamming a lot of surges in cases where I would assume u shouldnt be

But I'm not looking at a replay so shrug

But seeing ass it's just like 8 trash pulls prior to first boss, I don't see why ur doing it

So fundamentally misunderstanding of what u should be pressing prob

[little matrix]

just for healing or am i missing something?

[lofty depot]

Well wild charge doesn't heal

He means for movement

[little matrix]

oh nvm yea

[little matrix]

yea thats definitely a big one. Noted

the starfall cutoff is 2 targets, right?

[lofty depot]

U Starfall at 2t

[honest musk]

arctic can you share twintops settings with me pls? i am trying to find a way to disable those icons but i cannot find it

[lofty depot]

Well I said I would when I get home

[lucid olive]

nah its the disengage jump backwards, its really good for movement during combat

[lofty depot]

But its in the thresholds tab labeled icons

[honest musk]

oh sorry i must have missed it

[lucid olive]

and you cancelled casts a few times where planning better around wild charge would have saved you uptime

[lofty depot]

It's a check box

[little matrix]

do i actively have to game starlord or does it just happen passively?

[lucid olive]

Just spend 3 times at the start of your Eclipse

[lofty depot]

I wonder what u mean by game

[little matrix]

like, do i track it and save AP go get 3 stacks asap or do i just spend as soon as i can without minding the stacks

[lofty depot]

Well that's not gaming it

That's correctly playing around the buff

U should be spending at the start of eclipse regardless

And it stacks up because u did that properly

[little matrix]

i guess im using the word wrong then idk

[little matrix]

right

[craggy sonnet]

You want to have some AP ideally to spend at the start if eclipse

[lofty depot]

I assumed that initially yes which was why I was wondering what u were trying to say

[little matrix]

english is hard 😁

[craggy sonnet]

To build starlord, but also to utilize balance of all things and to build harmony if the heavens

But there is barely any gaming involved in starlord itself anymore. Now that you can't cancel and it is removed on entering eclipse

[little matrix]

right, thats very useful. thanks!

[honest musk]

zzzz

i can't fucking disable healthbar on this addon

i will just wait profile settings

[lofty depot]

Surely there's a check box for that

[honest musk]

I tried all relevant ones, still not going away

[round field]

on twintops?

[honest musk]

yup

I uncheck this one, it reverts back automatically

[lofty depot]

Well ur using global settings

So if u don't change it on global it won't matter

[honest musk]

I tried balance settings alone, still same

no i did this way

i uncheck on global

then say use global settings on balance

still doesnt go away

[valid gate]

Hello,
I am usually a restoration druid and I tried playing balance last raid in our hc team.
It went okayish but I looked at multiple guides beforehand and was sure I knew what I was doing.
I wasn't.

Can somebody please help me find out what I'm doing wrong and how I could improve?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JfZz7GRX4MVHrjDv

Oh, and I'm Sibidruid in these logs, if that wasn't clear from my username here on discord

[lofty depot]

I can look at it after I look at the other person's

Actually ur 3rd in line kek

[valid gate]

Thank you I appreciate that! ❤️

[gaunt ruin]

You can also check your logs on wowanalyser

For a basic preview

Your stats are a bit weird. Almost no crit and 250 versa

[honest musk]

I think I found ot, now it looks better

[valid gate]

how much crit do I want? thought it's okay to go haste!

[lofty depot]

Is why u sim ur character and not look at funny prio list

[gaunt ruin]

You should sim your character for the best stats on Warcraft logs using top gear

[lofty depot]

We do be liking crit

[gaunt ruin]

For example my char sims the best with 0 versa

[valid gate]

i have 2 hero items i could use instead of the stuff i am wearing with crit. will sim that.

[ruby badger]

I wouldn't worry about crit if balance is just an offspec for you

[gaunt ruin]

Ofc I get versa from motw

He needs crit for resto as well I think

[valid gate]

but the reason i came here was because I am pretty sure I am doing something wrong with my spells

i have 274 ilvl and deal damage like a 250

can't be 250 vers and too much haste

[gaunt ruin]

For example at chimaerus hc i won’t use the talents that you chose

Convoke for a fight with adds is not the best

[honest musk]

This is how my stats look

at 277.5 ilvl

I have haste/vers crafted pieces due to bear

but I think stats matter less than gameplay

[ruby badger]

On averzian your first eclipse after CA

You press eclipse, then one builder, one spender, then a bunch of time dotting

and then you press starsurge 3x

The first issue is:
If you needed 6 globals for dotting, then just hold the eclipse until you can make the first 3 globals of it spenders

Secondly:
On any fight where the adds group up, you want them to do that before you cast sunfire

Thirdly:
You've just spent 6 globals dotting mobs, then press your ST spender, so either the mobs are dead and they shouldn't have been dotted OR you should be AoE spending (starfall)

Just making sure your eclipses are opened with spenders, and a lot of the globals inside of them are good globals will make your damage increase a fair bit

Also get a macro or something for Trees + CA

[valid gate]

Do i want to press CA only when i have trees

but press eclipse in between when i don't have trees ready?

when i have AP to spend during the eclipse?

[ruby badger]

I just press them quickly

But I think yours is a little slow, but that's minor, forget that, shouldn't have mentioned

but yeah every trees should be paired with a CA or eclipse

[valid gate]

no but what i mean in general is that i understand that CA is like a more powerful eclipse.
should i hold my second CA charge for when my trees are back up but if i need an eclipse window to spend in between, i use a "normal" eclipse then?

[ruby badger]

ideally CA but downtime typically lines up to where you'll burn a trees with eclipse

[lofty depot]

You only CA with trees yes

[honest musk]

thanks, learning from these comments

[lofty depot]

Trees on CD
CA with trees
Convoke with ca

[honest musk]

ca = celestial alignment, right? just making sure

[ruby badger]

yep

[honest musk]

incarn also

[ruby badger]

Incarn is typically the move for every fight this tier though

Except Belo'ren

[lofty depot]

A lot of Heroic fights can use convoke

[honest musk]

btw if i am being picky, what class/specs do i wanna stack for m+? aug for example is good for us naturally, right?

[ruby badger]

Yeah I suppose most of them the adds just blown up

You don't wanna pick a class for M+

[lofty depot]

Aug is good in general, has nothing to do with boomkin

[ruby badger]

you wanna pick whoever has best IO

[honest musk]

yeah but more class/spec synergy with some of them, no?

[ruby badger]

Nope

[honest musk]

for example rogue + enh

[ruby badger]

Well yes

but don't even think about that whatsoever

It might be a bit of a tiebreaker at times

[honest musk]

that's usually what i do, but tbh sometimes 3100 players outplay 3300 in my keys..

It is noticeably bad with some players

[lucid olive]

druid always good

mark of the wild good

whether thats moonkin, guardian or resto

who knows

[honest musk]

for example i like death knight, coz grip is BiS

[bleak junco]

i like druid because travel form is best skill ever and I can never live without it anymore

and usually there's at least 1 spec that's good

besides I don't think Deeps folks has a choice which healer and tank class they get and they'll just make do with what they got

so it's not like i'll ever be completely unemployed xD

[valid gate]

thank you very much for the input!

[bleak junco]

Travel form is the real BiS

[lofty depot]

https://wago.io/8leCglCLr
@leaden birch @tawny cloud @honest musk

u dotted everything but this isnt the opener, foe sooner

[leaden birch]

Ty

[honest musk]

Ty arctic, real mvp

[lofty depot]

u either dont send foe there

or u dont press incarn on that pack

[honest musk]

Agree, but I was asking for synergy, I am already a druid

[lofty depot]

ur tank also just pulling like a rat

and i might cba out of wathcing this shit

[sour rampart]

Noob

[bleak junco]

oh yeah then yeah DG is it

the lack of ranged silence etc makes it a pain

question I know you use foe and eclipse together but do you press foe first or incarn/eclipse first?

[lofty depot]

yea idk, hes pulling annoyingly and ur cds arent lineing up for things cuz of it

[dense steeple]

Ill be done

[dull dust]

arnt u suposed to be in hibernation

[sour rampart]

How the fuck did chancel get regular

[dull dust]

aura

[dense steeple]

Something about apl

[sour rampart]

Y'all just give it out to anyone don't you

[dense steeple]

Apparently

[dull dust]

[sour rampart]

[dense steeple]

Nice lmao

[dull dust]

[dense steeple]

But yeah ill get hero on both chars this weekend larias

[sour rampart]

I'm proud of you

[dense steeple]

Need to do 1 more dungeon on my dh to get hero

[sour rampart]

I was very surprised that you weren't because I'm getting it and I've gotten zero pieces of loot from Raid lol

[dense steeple]

Then I slam all crests on druid

[sour rampart]

And I took a socket in a vault

[dense steeple]

I had a hero vault one week, then slammed 6/6 hero on things that got upgraded to myth too quickly

So i was just 60 hero behind somehow

So i have 100 hero crests rn but need 160

[bleak junco]

what does this mean do you cast foe before incarn but after an eclipse or do you always cast foe in the incarn eclipse?

[lofty depot]

i generally always cast prior

as a muscle memory thing

u might be surging a little too much with weaver but its hard with resource stuff

ur also capping a lot of asp

and casting starfires while capped

[bleak junco]

ok that's kind of what i do too was wondering if there was any in eclipse buff to foe that i was missing out on

[lofty depot]

idk why u would surge prior to cding

[lofty depot]

well ur periodic damage like that is dynamic

so it updates with eclipse

its also kind of weird pulling again

do a key where shit doesnt die in 2 seoncds

[grim crater]

was my astral power gonna cap?

[lofty depot]

no

[grim crater]

okay

[lofty depot]

some reason were slamming surges on like 20 mobs

[lucid olive]

@meager storm is it just me or does Chimaerus kinda look like the bat from Dispatch

[little matrix]

yea i found out that the boomie for some reason thought starfall only stacks twice

so already fixed a big one i guess.

[lofty depot]

that would be a funy thing

but ur also slamming it on fucking ghouls

and not hte prio mob

so like if were gonna do prio damage... u wouldnt be slamming it on ghouls

[little matrix]

yea for sure. theres a lot to fix but figuring out those fundamentals is very big already

[lofty depot]

kk on to the next one while u fix all that shit

[little matrix]

🫡 thanks a lot lad

[lofty depot]

u want me to look at midnight falls or

[tawny cloud]

Thank you sir!

[shut dew]

how do we sim the 2dragon boss in mythic?

[lofty depot]

what are u simming it for

or rather what are u trying to gain from that sim

[shut dew]

want to see if it's worth changing my items to haste items

[lofty depot]

our stats dont change like that

[meager storm]

kinda

[lofty depot]

crit is good regardless of target count

[shut dew]

ye that's why I have more crit

[lofty depot]

gj

[shut dew]

[lofty depot]

worry about pressing ur buttons better than ur stats. ull do more dam

i promise

[shut dew]

ye that's my issue atm

[vital hound]

@delicate perch new toy

[lofty depot]

looking through a bunch of ur kills, this is vorasius

ur dotting in cooldowns and should be doing that prior

and in this case u didnt hold trees ca for convoke

and sent it outside of it

either edidnt look at talents prior to see u were running 1m or dont know how to play it

granted it should be easier to just line everything up at 1m intervals

most people arent used to that sequence and are failing it

also just not prepping for the moves and either spam casting dots or gaps

assumption being were not reading builds were copying or dont know what talents do

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-wtf-i-guess-bro-man-i-guess-smh-gif-4106492938199795190

[lofty depot]

but ur dotting stuff and spammign surges into critters

this build is giga weird tbf

some rank semi pad build with 1m convoke

but also ur just not padding so whats the point of said talents

[stone ledge]

hes ethically padding 🙂

[lofty depot]

this is vaelgors

which isnt a convoke boss

and were still palying 1m convoke on

also slamming surges

he did however save ca this time.. just messed up the sequence

seems like a lot of running around

this crazy work

this diabolical

rip didnt save here

huh

[cyan nova]

Hi lads, wich missive should I use for my two-crafted items with wyrm embellishment ? Guides say different things for boomie, I'm lost

[lofty depot]

sim it

[cyan nova]

It's a fresh character, but I prepare it for raiding

What people generally do ?

[lofty depot]

crit/mastery or haste/mastery

depends what ur character wants at that time

presumably crit mastery is better early but idk

thats the point of hte sim

u can change it later if u like

[cyan nova]

Damn this char will be expensive if I have to change the missive on every new item, but ok, thanks you

[lofty depot]

welcome to world of warCRAFT

[cyan nova]

Indeed

[cyan nova]

You recommand to craft directly the two wyrm embelish items, or it's better to craft the staff with the weapon embelish + one wyrm item ?

[lofty depot]

generally u start with hunt

but with how many sparks we have, u could craft arcano on 2 others

[cyan nova]

Ok thanks you, I will do that then and craft the staff without embellish

[stone ocean]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x37DkuRBs8kRJEiHQT6ML5

Anyone able to help and see if I can get this higher please

[lofty depot]

well u could but that implies u go find some better gear

ur also slamming crafted gear with haste mastery

change that while ur at it

do u not have these buffs or

[fickle pier]

why would you craft a haste mastery neck when you get a free one from a quest that takes an hour to do

[lofty depot]

same reason he hasnt farmed the nexus point ring(s)

[icy fiber]

hello guys, should i spend the 2 charges of the incarnation right after the other?

[lofty depot]

theres a lot of context missing in that question

[fickle pier]

almost never, but sometimes

[dull dust]

why nexus when theres 150 freee avoidance rings

ethical rings

[lofty depot]

silly mage thinks i need avoidance

[dull dust]

I do

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ciLHwh6AP274PXYBPz4385

[gaunt ruin]

We should sim patchwerk 1 target 5 mins for m+ talents and gear?

[lofty depot]

sure

[lofty depot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8kUQdSC5urHpTKW2F4suLE

[uncut roost]

You gotta evolve to do more damage

I suggest a Lunala

[glass path]

As EC, when exactly do we cast wrath? Or nah

[craggy sonnet]

st outside eclipse if you wanna do it

[glass path]

I don’t really wanna, is it a loss?

[exotic perch]

my shaman sims for that much at 264 lol

god this class is bad

[lofty depot]

ur shaman also can only peak at that damage in raid and i can do far more

[exotic perch]

he is a god i see

[delicate perch]

Entering PvP is NOT free

[fickle pier]

its not pvp my dude

you just do the pve training battlegrounds

takes an hour

[delicate perch]

Not interacting with anyone who’s willing to do that

Just get the neck from raid

[uncut roost]

Just craft a neck though that takes 30 seconds

[fickle pier]

Everybody is free to make wrong decisions

[delicate perch]

Show your characters gear

I don’t even think the PvP was an increase

Is it wrong to not want to lose damage

[lucid olive]

over pit of saron neck

[delicate perch]

Insane

[fickle pier]

The 80 myth crests spent on neck can be spent elsewhere is the point

Thought that was obvious

[delicate perch]

Spend time doing that RIGHT NOW

[fickle pier]

like the 4/6 hat

[delicate perch]

raidbots hates this simple trick

[drifting nova]

delete pvp

[fickle pier]

spend time doing it 3 weeks ago when it was out lol

[delicate perch]

How lucky is your raid that you have more gear than crests?

[gaunt ruin]

It was kind of fun to take the PvP neck. For someone that plays only pve, it was nice to kill some players pew pew

[delicate perch]

I also never said to craft, learn to read

[fickle pier]

? I'm literally talking about the guy who linked his gear who crafted a neck

[delicate perch]

You “literally” replied to me then kept going

[dull dust]

im literally chancel

[fickle pier]

I dunno what you're talking about. You're the one who replied to me, and I was obviously talking about this guy's crafted neck lol

[delicate perch]

Omg literally

[gaunt ruin]

Calm down boys. We are the friendly furries. No need to fight

[delicate perch]

Redacted

[lofty depot]

who is we

[dull dust]

we

arctic is a angry furry

unlucky

[mighty mica]

[delicate perch]

hi thyme hope ur well

[grizzled nimbus]

Hello everyone! Is there a reason why people are going crit now? Is the bis stats not generally haste mastery?

[lofty depot]

cuz it does more damage

no

but all the stats are within reason close

[grizzled nimbus]

Even over mastery? I can craft a new piece this week - should i be crafting gear with crit haste?

[lofty depot]

per chance

[delicate perch]

you should sim the options

do not add vers

[lofty depot]

u should be simming that tho

[rare shoal]

hello arctic

[craggy sonnet]

Sorry, stepped away..
But yea, else I surely wouldn't have mentioned it. But not like huge huge

[rare shoal]

@lofty depot What emotion does this image give you

[lofty depot]

uhhh

prison

[dull dust]

[desert imp]

hi all, the ascendant star 3 charges that we get on eclipse. Are we to use it on SS on ST and SF on 3+?

[lofty depot]

sf on 2

[desert imp]

thanks mate

[nova ocean]

I'm curious on people's opinion now that we've played this version of moonkin for a while on live. Are u guys happy with the current CD spam of do u want some sorta rework to eclipse or incarn

[dull dust]

eclipse should remove my ap costs

[lofty depot]

seeeeeeeeeeeeee

im a degenerate

so i like it

but i understand why people wouldnt like it

[dull dust]

cuz its clunky

un ugly

[lofty depot]

EMPOWERMENTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[nova ocean]

This

[nova ocean]

Also this

I wish they reworked os talent into just some giga incarn/ca

So like depending on fight design u have a choice between more small CDs and less but big strong CDs

[gentle patio]

eclipse is your small cooldown now

you don't do damage outside of it anyway

[nova ocean]

Eclipse and ca and incarn do not feel dramatically different from each other

We essentially have 4 CD choices minus one being unplayable and they all feel samie

[drifting nova]

they arent

[lucid olive]

i think ca/incarn should just extend your current eclipse and give the opposite eclipse for 15/20 seconds

so if you use solar on pull and then CA you have solar in 15+15 seconds and lunar in 15 seconds

[dull dust]

make ca into keep it rolling

[wild dune]

that'd be nice

can we also make orbital strike playable

[dull dust]

eclipse randomizes what state u enter

[lucid olive]

orbital strike when you eclipse

now thats a cook

[wild dune]

lunar bolts apply moonfire also

somebody cooked that

10/10

[lucid olive]

make the choice node "your main CD is piss but your eclipses are stronger" versus "your main CD is up more often"

[dull dust]

thats the same picture

[lucid olive]

theyd have to make CA 2 minute baseline

[nova ocean]

It should be

[lucid olive]

make whirling stars 60 seconds

[dull dust]

u just make the choice 60 sec ca or u get incarn

and incarns 2m

[lucid olive]

yeah thats better

idk they love that convoke/incarn choice node

[nova ocean]

Love that the fix to ca being three minutes was just a talent instead of just making the damn thing short baseline

[lucid olive]

its in all 4 specs i think

[nova ocean]

Ya

[lucid olive]

1min convoke is in every tree too

think its perma bad for everyone gameplay wise

[nova ocean]

The talent choices and class design would be much better if some thing weren't choice nodes

Literally the only good gameplay talents are all choice nodes

[lucid olive]

the most fun iteration of moonkin was prepatch from SL to DF

[nova ocean]

💯

[dull dust]

I think convoke and trees could share a node and convoke be the ec thing

[lucid olive]

that was peak moonkin

[nova ocean]

Rf plus convoke o baby

[lucid olive]

pulsar procced CA at 300 AP spent and each proc shot out an Orbital Strike

[lucid olive]

Convoke gave RF like 16 stacks, mushroom dot snapshot on RF dmg amp so you dumped them at the end

[wild dune]

🥹

[nova ocean]

I wish we could give all this as feedback for the next patch

But no shot we get rework mid expansion

[wild dune]

u never know

[dull dust]

can probably just delete convoke fwiw talent will never be good if they want to tie it to st or incarn

[wild dune]

shit comes out of left field all the time

[dull dust]

too chicken to make it good in aoe

sorry ive scheduled arcane for its 15th rework for the .1

better luck next xpac

[wild dune]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-peepo-riot-riot-protest-peepo-angry-gif-21768097

whens the scheduled aug tank rework

[nova ocean]

Porom seems to hate everyone u guys sure u want another

[dull dust]

imagine ec core node is convoke but each spell in aoe triggers another foe so u just get 10 foe everywhere

[dull dust]

it literally cant get worse

[nova ocean]

Moonkin says hold my beer

[dull dust]

I guess u could actually make it worse

but u would have to be really skilled

and be intentional

[nova ocean]

That's blizzards greatest skill set

Just look at the war on addons, probably the worst possible outcome they settled with

[dense steeple]

I did it guys, i maxed my gear

we're huge

[stone ledge]

massive (bait)

[dense steeple]

||shut the fuck up||

[delicate perch]

It’s believable because only soma would use haste gems

[stone ledge]

not even 2 set npx rings

trolling

[delicate perch]

Again, soma

[dense steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/891006249565552650/1473799372910104880/peanut_mm_hmm.gif

[somber imp]

this may be a dumb question, but do I hit eclipse right after Incarn or should they be used separately?

[delicate perch]

have you tried doing that

[somber imp]

haha, just did on the dummy, sorry for my ignorance lol

[lofty depot]

blud is 8 ilvl more than me.... go rank 1 something

[compact musk]

What addon is that?

[rare shoal]

I have heard this before

[dull dust]

is this how it gets worse @rare shoal

[rare shoal]

You will be culturally enriched

It will be fine

[dense steeple]

chonky character sheet

[dense steeple]

bout to go r1 this 12 key

[compact musk]

Thanks!

[gentle patio]

at least that makes your rotation a bit more diverse... unless they fuckup tuning and you still cast wrath in lunar eclipse.

give back cataclysm eclipse

[fair pasture]

I really wanted to play cataclysm era boomkin, looked very neat

[gentle patio]

hurricane spam on aoe

[muted citrus]

@willow solar

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01H8QK3158000BQF0RCZF5Q31Q/2x.webp

[dense steeple]

it wasnt as fun as it looked trust me

[tribal wedge]

can we just get shadowlands boomy back with ravenous frenzy?

[lucid olive]

give eclipse cdr per spender

remove sculpt the stars that talent is so weird

[dense steeple]

this is why youre the TC

[bleak kiln]

Yummy pad (Crown)

[spice roost]

ilvl?

[bleak kiln]

it's in the screencap lol

[spice roost]

no i was wondering ur looking at ilv\l parse

[lofty depot]

why u 30k light on dam

[lofty depot]

is that heroic?

[bleak kiln]

Yea

[lofty depot]

k cba

[bleak kiln]

I'm not in a M guild lol

damn we gatekeeping H in dis piece

didn't know it was M only channel my b

[spice roost]

u outgear the content by a mile

[bleak kiln]

oh fs

I just dont 99 parse often lol

[lofty depot]

gj buddy

[bleak kiln]

Boomy in M is just sadge, feel like the class just doesn't have the defensives to live lots of stuff

[lofty depot]

well thats not true anymore

[bleak kiln]

but I haven't raided any M this tier yet, but thats how it's felt in the past

[lofty depot]

yea it got an extra defensive and a buff in passive defensiveness

[spice roost]

boomy feels fairly tanky now

compared to others

my poor mage

[bleak kiln]

yea just need to find a M guild now

[stone ledge]

Heroic parses never mattered

[merry crow]

Have to start somewhere

[ionic surge]

na mages are tanky

they just refuse to press alter time or ice cold

[spice roost]

lol

[spice roost]

used to be

[ionic surge]

the amount of keys i've done where the mage just didnt press a defensive

or used ice cold at 5% hp

[spice roost]

ya thats bad but still as a spec compared to others there squishy

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/46?metric=deaths&dataset=90

top 10%

u can filter it wont change much

[uncut idol]

Yo havent played balance for a while - just to make sure .. we arent using wrath that much anymore?

[spice roost]

in what content

[uncut idol]

m+ ec

[spice roost]

not much

u can probably ignore wrath completely and be fine in that

[uncut idol]

in what situation would we?

understood

[lofty depot]

outside of eclipse in st

[wraith dirge]

Can I get a log review? +17 Skyreach.
I'm trying to keep up with my team mates but its starting to feel like its not possible
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7zCrTgbwnXM98yaj?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=1

[lofty depot]

time to learn the tech i suppose

ur also doing the sequence wrong

u foe prior to incarn

but also... u eclipse prior to all of that

here u didnt send all ur ascendent procs and used foe early

[delicate perch]

yea cause top players are certainly the most wholesome players and would NOT risk dying while they're being padding rats

so real

[uncut idol]

how high for ec to be worth it?

[spice roost]

like i siad filter it doesnt change

[delicate perch]

but then you get bad players just... being bad? so of course it wouldn't

[spice roost]

lol

[delicate perch]

aug being anywhere near the top is insane

do you think thats accurate?

[spice roost]

mage is definately squishy

[lofty depot]

idk this pack half hp and were sendign cds

[delicate perch]

not what I asked

[lofty depot]

and then u desync ur trinket cuz were just rando sending shit

[spice roost]

thats my whole point is all

[delicate perch]

but you're using a metric that is flawed, mages still have very OP defensives to cover mistakes/mechanics

[nimble tangle]

I saw a frost mage disappeared in 16 skyreach

Second pack

[spice roost]

until they run out

[delicate perch]

at least they have them

[nimble tangle]

AOE+elite boss physical charge+DOT

[delicate perch]

at 0 cost to dps

[nimble tangle]

it was 3 seconds

[spice roost]

keeping barrier up is a loss to dps

[nimble tangle]

I assume they just don’t know they have defensive

[lofty depot]

ig were just rando sending shit

[delicate perch]

it would not be a big dps loss, but I'm mostly talking about ice cold

and barrier would not close to bear form dps loss for a mechanic

[spice roost]

also i wasnt talking about dps at all was only talking about defensive power

moving goal posts

[delicate perch]

you're just coping

[spice roost]

ok

[nimble tangle]

I’d rather stay alive in high keys rather than die and get brez or run from grave stone

[delicate perch]

they were unkillable, now they're very hard to kill

[spice roost]

right lol

[delicate perch]

that doesn't equal squishy unless you're just a rat player

[spice roost]

sure

[delicate perch]

you can't even argue that aug is close to them

and that's your whole point

[jaunty blaze]

Are we actually saying mages have bad defenses

[ivory sentinel]

is Weapon my first go to craft at lv 90?

[delicate perch]

someone is

[spice roost]

no ur just being insufferable

[lofty depot]

is good yes

[delicate perch]

no I'm australian

ur just being silly

[spice roost]

i thought u were kiwi

[delicate perch]

that's racist

[spice roost]

lol

[delicate perch]

@vital hound

[spice roost]

tomatoe tomato

[lofty depot]

u seem to not understand that u want asp when enter eclipse in this siutation

seeing as this just came of cd and its ur only 1, would shouldve also saved it for ur next foe cd

which is here

but it seems like ur just pressing stuff for fun and not really thinking about it

and not knowing the cd sequence

i promise ive seen like 1 of the 20 that is correct

presumably u should read the guide

[wraith dirge]

thanks

[split talon]

anyone had a bug in nexus where scrounger bugs and perma attaches cant be killed? is there any way to fix?

[fleet ocean]

is it a buff or nerf? knowing that we don't play with that talent

[dull dust]

was only 1 target before

[fleet ocean]

What talent should we replace with that one?

[valid gate]

@lofty depot thanks for looking at my logs yesterday!

[spice roost]

u play it on a few fights atm

[ivory sentinel]

is off hand better or is staff the roll? wowhead do be saying both tbh.

[ionic oak]

if yo uhave myth one hand. craft off hand

if you dont. staff

[nimble tangle]

i do not think that would change our talent tree anything

that change is a typical designer idea

who never plays the game

[vital hound]

Owned idiot

[sleek trellis]

if i got enough mythic crest what should i craft?

[rough flax]

Depends on what you currently have as gear

[sleek trellis]

crafted gear or overall?

[rough flax]

Yh both, is it your first craft or not

[sleek trellis]

only crafted a hero weapon

[rough flax]

Like if you dont have a mythic weapon or no way to get one soon you prob want to craft ur weapon

[sleek trellis]

and do i craft a two handed or a off hand?

[rough flax]

Ur second craft should be a low stat slot like wrist,waist,cloak with emblishment whichever is lowest il

[delicate perch]

why should it be that

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/bXsEZ.gif

[delicate perch]

they do not sound very geared, a low budget slot sounds insanely bad

[delicate perch]

based actually, carry on

[vital hound]

need to keep the salaryman down so we can parse better

[delicate perch]

craft an agi dagger

new bis unlocked

[rough flax]

2h is more efficient for your crest

You wanna use hunt emblishment for it

[round field]

Do i craft shoulders

Mine are 237

(Send help)

[mystic tangle]

same situation but i won't craft unless i can craft myth

[round field]

I can craft myth im not a noobert

[drifting nova]

dps says otherwise

[round field]

Wrong

[spiral zealot]

where i can get this profile from ss and sf cost ?

[craggy sonnet]

It's twintops resource bar

Part of the addon

[spiral zealot]

its the defult options ?

[raven obsidian]

Hello guys

[round field]

yes

[raven obsidian]

For the next patch 12.0.5 can we upgrade a champion trinket from 263 to 298 ?

[round field]

no

if you put a trinket in it gains 10 ilvl

[raven obsidian]

Means we should have it in myth

[round field]

yes

[raven obsidian]

I have a staff 285 ( crafted)

I can just upgrade it to

295 right

[round field]

yes

[raven obsidian]

Ty

[unkempt fiber]

Hello fellow boomies.. i am new to this game, currently doing +12 and 13's..
i have 230 myth crest.. any advice on what to craft next? have crafted staff and bracer with embelishment.. My boots are still champion,..
considering cloak, boots or belt.. any advice?

[silk shard]

1. you could sim it
2. maybe craft the boots refer to the posted guides in the pins on crafting order

gamz's guide on wowhead just said to replace low ilevel pieces, so i'm leaning in favor of replacing boots first and then you can do belt and cape later

[unkempt fiber]

Thank you for the advice.. just needed 1 more person to confirm, my idea wasnt to bad..

i saw a guide where people are using the boots from Delve 11, but they are not higher than champion..

[silk shard]

you could also wait till reset and see if something good comes from vault before committing to a craft

[unkempt fiber]

yes indeed, did that last week as well.. just wanted to get some kind of an upgrade this week.. but might just wait few more days and see what comes in the vault.

[gaunt lantern]

tbh, I would probably not craft anything

next week you get access to multiple myth pieces a week using coins, and saving the crests to upgrade more valuable pieces (trinkets/cheest/legs etc) is probably a better use

unless you need that power right now

[unkempt fiber]

good input, thank you for the reasoning as well.. which coins are you talking about to buy myth?

[sour rampart]

@lofty depot

[honest musk]

Ye it’s default of addon

[gaunt lantern]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/midnight/the-voidforge-patch-12-0-5-bonus-loot-rolls-upgrades

[honest musk]

Nice

[shadow cliff]

Long time mage. Would love to learn balance. I’ve read all the guides but I’m a visual learning. Any good streamers or other video guide type people out there? Thanks!

[shadow willow]

Dwilkz, Krona, Canexx and Adeptxo are the people I use for vods

[gaunt lantern]

Learning styles are not a thing

[timber plaza]

KILL FOR ME! NOW!

[neon jolt]

Which talents are you using for patchwerk sims?

[jaunty blaze]

The ones you play

What else would you sim

[neon jolt]

Yeah, i just run keeper across the board-- but the ec bloodmallet talents just give vastly different results. Was wondering what y'all were rolling with

[jade flume]

boys when do i send my shrooms on bamkin

do i incarn>shrooms

[wild dune]

think u just replace wrath casts

with shrooms

so whenever youd wrath, shroom instead?

[jaunty blaze]

Bloodmallet only uses ec because it sims higher you shouldn't rely on any info from there

Or any data aggregation site

[maiden pasture]

yes

[civic junco]

I didn't quesiton this at the time... but why does the WoWhead guide say we should craft Cane first. We should've crafted mainhand and offhand first. Makes the pivot to mythic weapon much easier. Sparks become irrelelvant soon, but, i still think crafting MH/OH is a minor gain for any raid group.

Or was it a crests angle?

[jaunty blaze]

160 crests vs 80 crests with equal power gain

[civic junco]

Ahhh I see

ty ty

[jaunty blaze]

Eventually you won't have to worry about crests anyway

[royal zenith]

so much confidence..

just to be wrong

[civic junco]

I am always open to being wrong

In fact, I prefer to be wrong. That's how I learn new stuff

And i was wrong here

[lucid olive]

i am wrong all the time so that's fine

[royal zenith]

I used the dot dot to imply sarcasm

but I guess discord

[civic junco]

It's ok Deux I love you anyway ❤️

[lucid olive]

except when i call @lofty depot a bitch, then i am stating factual and objective fact

[civic junco]

XD

[royal zenith]

you know what spotify says about all this?

[civic junco]

Consult the spotify oracle

[lucid olive]

no, what does it say?

[civic junco]

It's asking me if I feel like a plastic bag, floating in the wind

[royal zenith]

It's better to be the first one wrong, so you're the first one that can offer the solution..

[pallid bay]

[round field]

loser mentality

better to never be wrong

like me

[royal zenith]

you're default is being wrong

wow

your*

[round field]

you're grammar are bad

[royal zenith]

good thing english is not my first language

and Im comfortable making mistakes

[round field]

[royal zenith]

did you go pass 270 ilvl yet

[round field]

almost

[royal zenith]

I tried leveling my devourer today

I did one dungeon and logged out

[round field]

im getting held back

[royal zenith]

[round field]

they dont wanna drop..

[civic junco]

Are you also Canadian? My head cannon is that you are.

[round field]

no hes d*tch

[royal zenith]

[civic junco]

https://klipy.com/gifs/squidward-oh-no-hes-hot-1

I was in Amsterdam airport last year. Was very easy to spot the locals. Idk what is in the water there, but Dutch people are de facto models

[round field]

are u canadian

[civic junco]

you bet yer bucky bawd

[round field]

ive lost all respect for u lot ever since u cheated in the olympics

[royal zenith]

lmao

[civic junco]

LOL

[jade flume]

we had 3 bamkins and 3 devourers, i just went vorasius build instead ggs

[maiden pasture]

sounds about right

[lofty depot]

For dragons or

[formal crest]

Sounds too real

[simple spire]

Hi guys!! If I'm not raiding, is it still better to craft lantern with a m+ main hand vs staff?

[granite moat]

one could argue that now you have excess sparks and crests so if sim says its better its better

i went staff because its more efficient early season

and noone had anything

if it means you can craft an extra 285 piece to replace hero gear i would go for it

[simple spire]

Lovely, thanks!!

[granite moat]

again, sim your character

[tidal jolt]

Do we know how upgrading weps with the void forge works? Is it more efficient to upgrade a 2h vs 1h and oh?

[jade flume]

No we dont go that far

[merry merlin]

Hey guys, has anyone figured how to do this without weakauras duiring incarn and eclipse?

[dense steeple]

You dont

[merry merlin]

ffs, gotta find a new way to track my timers then ;-;

[normal pilot]

it's just another cd like incarn, ppl just use w/e cdm addon they like

[lucid olive]

yes

but the solution to it is really cringe

[merry merlin]

Honestly, at this point I will take cringe XD

[lucid olive]

yeah I'm seeing if I can find the video I took of how it looks

ignore how my CDM looks in that video, had to change addons to make the thing work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSgzoTnyD3o

it's from this video

Explained is basically; the default spell overlay textures have numbers to identify them, the same way spells, NPCs etc have

The addon lets you write in the identifier for your texture and assign a buff from the CDM to tie it to

So when the buff procs, in this case when you press Eclipse/Incarn, it shows the texture

It also shows a buff icon in the middle of the texture, but after you disable the cooldown swipe, text and icon it shows just the texture

The texture also have width/height slider so you can do whatever you want with them

[merry merlin]

Ohhhh, I will have a look once I'm with this key! Thanks a lot for that! Much appreciated ❤️

[lucid olive]

It's something I've seen a lot of people ask about, so I had to test it when I saw it mentioned on a reddit post

EQOL is a pretty good addon though, probably has more features than any other CDM-type addon

but the menu is horrible so the video explaining it is kinda needed

[charred mango]

25 people every week and i vaulted a gaze so i keep sitting while they wipe on chim 🥱

[merry merlin]

I think the addon must have changed cus the textures tab is nowehere to be found where it's shown in the video 😄

[craggy sonnet]

click on the aura icon

not the header

i think

[lucid olive]

maybe he moved it idk, that add-on is giga confusing so can just try anything

Clankz probably right tho

[craggy sonnet]

or idk if you opened that panel in the edit mode and just didnt watch the video closely enough

[quick tiger]

Hey all! New to playing druid and boosted to 80 as a Boomkin......would someon be kind enough to give me an idea of a basic rotation? Boosting maybe wasnt the best idea but im locked in now

[analog moat]

Check out the compendium.

In pins.

[merry merlin]

fixed it, managed to include duration of buff too

the addon itself is confusing but it's worth it

[lucid olive]

Wowhead and icyveins are both good for beginner players

Compendium guide linked in pins and channel description is overall more detailed in rotation parts, but can also be harder to understand

[quick tiger]

Im following Icyveins but since i boosted ii dont have my rotation flow down yet.......boosting is painful lol

[lucid olive]

All my characters are level boosted, you'll be fine!

[sour rampart]

With how many you make, we already assumed this

See I was going to send that earlier then I stopped myself then you said something in RLE lmao

[quick tiger]

i know im just so confused right now lol

[royal zenith]

weak

your return that is

[sour rampart]

I'm on my phone to get me a break

[analog moat]

Try using the rotation assistant?

[quick tiger]

Where is that? You mean the single button assistant?

[analog moat]

There are two options, single button assistant and the highlighted thing that lights up the next button you should push. Search for assisted highlight in the options.

[round field]

its pretty bad if you wanna learn the game

[quick tiger]

the assisted highlight is bad?

[dim root]

recommend wild mushroom on mythic dragons? seems reasonable for getting damage out on the orbs, but also seems like pad

[lucid olive]

its good

adds need to die

[dim root]

ya

[lucid olive]

boss dmg is the same anyway

[dim root]

is the idea just to get 3 out on the adds asap?

[lucid olive]

ye

use solar on pull with 1 mushroom

then you have 3 for the first orbs

theyre also good instant casts to use as youre disengaging out of the pull

[dim root]

oh great call i did not think about that

for adds are you pre-incarning + starfall, then mushrooms as soon as they're up?

[lucid olive]

yeah basically

can use treants+incarn a little early on the very first one so it lines up better for the 2nd one

[dim root]

makes sense

errr, are you running trees cdr

hero talent

[lucid olive]

bounteous bloom good

[dim root]

ok right right that makes more sense with the early trees

tyvm sir much appreciated

[haughty veldt]

what is bis crafted piece

[dense steeple]

get what my character has and you will be perfect

||this is a joke||

[vital hound]

ptr bait

[dense steeple]

mdi bait

[ruby badger]

wowhead has some writing on it

[dense steeple]

all that gear has avoidance

[vital hound]

[dense steeple]

i dont use wowhead

[lucid olive]

same

[dense steeple]

we know

[wild dune]

😭

[dense steeple]

deadass you dont get a choice

it just ALL has avoidance lmao

[dim root]

@lucid olive by chance do u have a public dragons log available i could study a bit

[lucid olive]

there are plenty on the warcraftlogs leaderboards

check out lorrgs.io as well

[dim root]

word ty

[lucid olive]

can also take someones log and paste it into wowanalyzer website for some more information

[dim root]

oooh nice ok

[grave sequoia]

At how many targets do we stop worrying about stellar amplification?

[lucid olive]

3

really more of a 2 target thing tbh

[grave sequoia]

Ok, got it. Just trying to see how to do more damage on smaller M+ pulls

[wind ledge]

if i already have a myth track wep, crafted bracers.. whats recommnded for 2nd craft?

[lucid olive]

do you have 4set

[wind ledge]

yep

[lucid olive]

do you have myth track hands

[wind ledge]

nope

[lucid olive]

will you still have 4set if you craft hands

[wind ledge]

yep

[lucid olive]

craft hands

with arcanoweave lining

[wind ledge]

we can only do one embellishment right?

i already got that on bracer

[lucid olive]

you can do 2 arcanoweave lining

[wind ledge]

oh dang

[lucid olive]

the choice is usually crafted weapon with darkmoon hunt + 1 arcanoweave lining

or myth track weapon + 2 arcanoweave lining

[wind ledge]

my trinkets are garbage

i have a hero track ember and champion heart of wind

still better to do gloves over trinket?

[lucid olive]

i wouldnt craft a trinket

you get rerolls next week too

the vaelgor trinket is also better than almost anything else even at 250 ilvl from LFR

[hollow bobcat]

is 2 active trinkets good ?

[lucid olive]

not rly

depends on the other use

[hollow bobcat]

i have vaelgors final stare

and the feather from windrunner

but i can swap one of them for the crusader keepsake

[lucid olive]

swap out feather

trinket stinky

[hollow bobcat]

oh is it

sure

does balance not like haste ?

[lucid olive]

not compared to the mastery from vaelgor trinket

[hollow bobcat]

I see

[dull dust]

guys does play dough have a taste

[hollow bobcat]

yes

very salty

[dull dust]

ok so im not eating playdough

just smells like play dough

[lucid olive]

if it tastes bitter that means its poison

[dull dust]

its tasteless

[mighty mica]

it's actually salty

[lucid olive]

could be drugs then

[dull dust]

I hope so

my shift bouta get lit

[frank sail]

Is Wowhead or Icyveins better for BIS gear advice? They are very diffrent from each other

[grave sequoia]

Is there any way to compete with demo lock in keys? Balance feels pretty good in keys this season but certain classes just blow me out of the water

[lucid olive]

don't look at the bis lists

idk about icyveins, but wowhead has some information further down in regards to trinkets and crafted items

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova

[lucid olive]

the rest is just "wear whatever you want"

[pseudo merlin]

??????

[drifting nova]

CAN YOU NOT READ

[pseudo merlin]

brother

I spent 10 minutes killing kbd

at last second someone comes

they can grief me?

by hitting it once?

please tell me this game isnt actually that bad

[dull dust]

[pseudo merlin]

There's no way they designed the game like that right

surely

they cant be that stupid

[drifting nova]

yes, not even in the clan smh

[earnest isle]

hi guys do you know a good in depth video guide for the boomy in raid please

[dense steeple]

@lofty depot i got it done finally 🙂

we heros now

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova u ?

[dull dust]

would be nice if they made iron man only worlds

[pseudo merlin]

or just dont make dogshit game design

make it like wow back in the day

or maybe it was classic

at some point you got fucked on kill credit if someone else did more dmg than you

make it like someone has to do 10% or more to fuck you, not 1 dmg

[drifting nova]

just got first region like 400 off t5 but my want to do anything is gone

tasks are zzz

[lofty depot]

[last briar]

for someone who is completely brand new to retail - how difficult is playing balance at an acceptable level for +15s?

compared to say something like ret or bm

[pseudo merlin]

the same

[lofty depot]

people fotm reroll all the time to balance and do fine

[last briar]

it seems less forgiving than ret/bm simply because of the longer cooldowns/can mess up your resources going into eclipse

but this is from an outsider's perspective just reading resources

[royal zenith]

ackshually has shorter cooldowns

[lofty depot]

i mean u have 2 charges and yes like every other class using ur cds is important

[normal pilot]

the actual difficulty vs those specs is the fact that you have to hard-cast

vs having all instants

[pseudo merlin]

bamkin is sitting there casting starfires for 5 seconds each

[normal pilot]

the spec spells don't really matter as far as picking up to an adequate level

[pseudo merlin]

ret presses 3 buttons in that time

its both equally simple in a different way

[round field]

ive seen the creatures that inhabit 15s all you need is a mouse and keyboard to play at an acceptable level

[normal pilot]

biggests hurdle for a new player is usually just not maximing cast times

[lofty depot]

ive been doing 17/16s and we have way more instant casts than before

im vibin

[normal pilot]

if you're new to retail and you've mainly been playing melee or classic/tbc you'll have an easier time with another melee or bm

[royal zenith]

it's just caster versus melee diffy as gas said

and yeah, bm hunter is basically melee

[drifting nova]

I've dropped chicken

[last briar]

the context of my question is a friend of mine from another mmo is coming to retail and is asking how difficult balance is. i'm a rdruid main, so i have no idea. if i ever dps, i play bm or ret (which are extremely easy) and i have a frame of reference to explain the level of difficulty to him

[royal zenith]

yeah you're a warrior

[drifting nova]

did a 14 earlier

[last briar]

your responses have helped me get a better picture

[drifting nova]

we dont talk about warrior in raid

raid is stinky

minigamers rise

[royal zenith]

what mmo are they playing

[last briar]

ffxiv

[royal zenith]

he'll be fine with cast-times then

💀

[last briar]

they have wrist issues, unsure if that matters

[lofty depot]

also frame he has a lot of utility buttons he then has to hotkey and learn

[drifting nova]

surely that depends on what they play in ff14

[last briar]

they play blm in xiv

[drifting nova]

makes sense

[royal zenith]

not sure either